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It's Friday, I Can't Get the Turkey in the Air Fryer · Friday I'm in Bed

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Welcome to Friday. I'm in bed.
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Podcast for midlife women living their best life but in bed by
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happy place is at the front of a very loud gig, especially one
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We love to chat, as you can probably tell.
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This week on Friday, I'm in bed. We're talking Christmas dinner.
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Or rather, the fact that hardly anyone is having a traditional
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one anymore. Turkey fatigue is real, people.
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We're chatting about what everyone's eating instead.
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Why the old school meal is on the way out, and how to take the
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stress out of the whole thing, regardless of what's on your
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plate. We're also rolling our eyes at
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Pantone's colour of the year, which is white.
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Yes, white. We're asking whether they run
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out of ideas or if someone, somewhere is genuinely trying to
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take all the colour out of our lives.
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Finally, we're chatting about I'm A Celebrity and the way the
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press still can't help pitting one beautiful woman against
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another because apparently it's 2025, but the headlines didn't
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get the memo that it's okay for more than one successful woman
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to exist at the same time, or in this in the same show.
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Hi Gemma, how are you? Hi, Kate.
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Yeah, I'm in my new office. It's not finished yet.
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I've got some like really nice acoustic panelling to go on the
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walls behind me. And yeah, so I'm very excited to
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be in my office. Not that I'm decorating that
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wall with a specific idea that will be behind me on the podcast
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or anything like that. How's your week been?
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Or has it been all consumed with moving?
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Mostly consumed with moving. I went to a silent disco on
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Saturday night, which is always fun, but yeah, yeah.
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And I actually love them. It's so good.
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I love one of the things I love is watching the colours change
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on their headphones. So one person finds a song they
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like and then it just like, changes around the room.
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It's really good. I've never been to a silent
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disco and it doesn't appeal to me.
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I love a disco, but I want us all to be dancing to the same
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song and singing together and air guitar ring together and
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being the best thing is to take your headphones off and listen
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to everybody singing along when they can't hear them.
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Well, I had a good week. I this is a really cool story
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because, you know, everyone always slacks off social media
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and I want to say something that's happened to me this week
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that's amazing on social media. And that is I have been looking
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for my best friend from university for about 20 years.
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So I shared a room with her in the first year we lived
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together. In second or third year we went
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traveling together. She was my bridesmaid, made
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like, and I haven't spoken to her since the mid 90s.
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And I've looked for her and last week she found me because she's
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been looking for me for all that time, too.
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And she's like, she lives in Thailand.
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She's been teaching in Thailand for 10 years.
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We have chatted nonstop. And it's like, This is why I
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love social meat. Yeah.
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This is that's made me feel a warmer squishy.
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It's my mom. She found you as.
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Well, I know when I got this random message and I get a lot
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of like random messages from people, to be fair.
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And and it just said, hi, Dave gave me your number.
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Good to see you. And I was a bit like, who's
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Dave? Like who's who are you?
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You know, I was a bit like what? And I went, I was nearly ignored
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it and then I was like on and I clicked on her profile and she
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looked exactly the same, like her hair is the same,
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everything's the same. And I was just like, Oh my God.
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And actually, Dave was one of our best friends of uni.
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I was going to say, who actually was Dave in the end?
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He lives in Thailand too, so you're amazing.
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It's a really good week just chatting and reminiscing and and
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also saying when can I come to Thailand?
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Well, I was just, yeah, I was just going to say, So now you've
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got someone to stay in Thailand. Yeah, that helps.
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That's really good. How lovely.
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I'm not really. You're all smiley.
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I'm really pleased for you. I know it's cool.
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It's cool. Although I did have to say like,
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we need to stop talking now because I do need to do some
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work. Anyway, we better get on with
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the show. Of what?
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What? There's a blooper, rock blooper,
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blooper. Let's get on with the show.
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So first up I'm going to be very seasonal because it's December
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and we're going to talk about Christmas dinner.
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So where this came from, there was a You Gov survey about
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Christmas dinner and Tesco do a survey about Christmas dinner.
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And I think it was the Tesco one that found that 17% of young
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people aged 25 to 34 aren't having a traditional Christmas
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dinner and they prefer to have things like they prefer to have
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takeaways. I think pizza was one of the
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most popular ones which surprised me.
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And also, half of all adults aren't having Turkey for
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Christmas, which is obviously the traditional Christmas meat.
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And they're either having a plant based menu or they're just
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serving chicken or beef or something like that.
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So I thought that was quite, quite interesting.
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I mean, do you always have a traditional Christmas dinner?
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No. First of all, we're all
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vegetarian. So we, I remember being 14 and
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saying I'd really like cheese pasta for Christmas dinner and
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that's what we had. We, we do now have a kind of
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veggie roast, but we have it on Christmas Eve.
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We don't have it on Christmas Day.
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On Christmas Day we eat a Sonya, which has been pre made by my
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family. They bring it and then just get
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found in the oven. So a few years ago, I think I
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just read somebody was doing this where they have the
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traditional Christmas sit down with crackers, you know, meal on
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Christmas Eve. So that Christmas Day is freed
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up from the stress of cooking. And I realized that what
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happened? I mean, I don't cook very often.
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I'm not the chef in the house. So Christmas Day, my husband was
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in the kitchen all day. We are in the lounge stuffing
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our faces. Eventually we get served the
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food, very grateful obviously, but by that point we were either
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drunk or full of crisps, full of crisps, and we didn't want to
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eat it. The kids didn't want to eat it
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anyway because they were full of chocolate.
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Then we'd have an argument with the kids because they weren't
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eating the dinner. Adam had missed the whole
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opening presents because he was in the kitchen.
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And it was like, this isn't really cool.
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This isn't like very conducive to like having a chilled family
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nice day. So now we have that on Christmas
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Eve and we all just kind of help with the cooking.
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We have a lovely sit down dinner with the family.
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So my parents come. And then on Christmas Day, the
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rule is eat what you want when you want.
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Don't eat. Eat beans on toast if you want.
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Like honestly it doesn't matter because it's Christmas Day and
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you should just be able to do what you want to do.
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And it's mad. It's had a massive impact on our
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Christmas because now our Christmas is really chilled.
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Yeah, and that's what I say. I'm quite curious because
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obviously I don't have children, so we're not going for the big
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family Christmas. My husband's parents, his mum's
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in Aberdeenshire, mine are down in Kent and they worked in
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hospitality for many years until they retired.
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So it's been just us 2 for Christmas for a long time.
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What we normally do is we have a nice dinner, but very rarely
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will we make it a traditional Christmas dinner with all the
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all the trimmings. My husband's vegetarian, so we
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eat mostly vegetarian at home anyway.
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So yeah, we'll do something like a Stew or a nice pie.
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I don't know, Jeremy, we'll have a nice dinner, but it's not a
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traditional Christmas dinner. And I always think that that
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kind of roast thing is the kind of thing you make for like a
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whole whole family sit down kind of thing.
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But I really love the Christmas I the Christmas Eve idea
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actually. That's really nice.
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And then we could just. Sit on the sofa and eat
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chocolate all day on Christmas Day, which sounds appealing.
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I think with the kids that it's a definite thing because as I
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said, you know, you get a bit like you can't eat that
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chocolate. You can't like you've had too
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much now, you've had too much now because of the dinner,
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because of the dinner. And they sit down and they don't
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want a big roast dinner. You know, when they're little as
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well, they're like, they're over.
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They don't want that. But yet the tradition is then we
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all have to do it and there's a starter and there's a, you know,
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it's all and it's like they don't want this.
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And it just was turning into too much of an argument.
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What's interesting though, back to the report, the survey.
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It'll be interesting to know what the demographic was because
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obviously we're such a multicultural country.
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There will be lots of people not having a Christmas dinner as
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such, not having that traditional Christmas dinner.
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They might have their family over and and lots of wonderful
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food, but it might not be traditional traditional.
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The other thing is obviously is like Turkey, it's massive hours
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and more and more people have air fryers and don't have ovens.
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More and more people don't learn to cook as well, and they don't
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have. A big table full of people.
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So why would you want to cook a big Turkey for five hours on how
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we belong, Right. So that was that was part of
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exactly. There's two of us.
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Do I mean, if we cook a big Turkey, we're going to be eating
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it not just for a week. We're going to be eating it for
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the rest of John for all of January.
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And have two very happy pugs here also be like, oh, Turkey.
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Thank you very much. Yeah.
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So, yeah. So we we haven't, we haven't
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bothered with that for years. So really expensive.
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My career before I went self-employed, I was 12 years at
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head office at Tesco's in various roles, mainly visual
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merchandising and clothing and store design.
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So I wasn't, you know, into the buying of food, but the thing
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that was stolen the most wasn't booze, which is easy to think it
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was, it was meat. And that was in the naughties
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and early 1000. And obviously everything is way
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more expensive than it was then. And it was because of the, you
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know, the price of meat. So actually to be able to afford
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a Turkey, I mean they. Cost a fortune.
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It costs an absolute fortune, especially if you want to get
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like they're like, oh, there's Norfolk Black Turkey and no, I'm
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not buying a Norfolk Black Turkey.
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It costs £1,000,000. I don't have that much money.
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It's just a lot of money. But then I made a video, I think
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it's last week, around all the things I'm not doing this
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Christmas. And one of the things I talked
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about, which caused a bit of a, you know, conversation was
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buying Christmas specific food. So panettone, mince pies, fuel
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log, you know, all the stuff because in our house it doesn't
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get eaten and it's the sort of thing that gets thrown out and I
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get sucked in when I'm like shopping at Lidl is where I go
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and you know, and it's like this all looks so lovely and I buy it
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all but nobody wants it. And actually what everyone wants
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in this house is posh chocolates and nice posh crisps as we call
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them. So nicer crisps, nicer nuts,
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nicer chocolate, you go up one or two steps.
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From the normal shopping, right, that's where we go.
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Yeah, and more of it, of course, we just end up throwing away all
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that stuff. And I think a lot of people now
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have wised up to that. Yeah, I mean.
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There's a couple of bits like I tend not to buy mince pies
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because that's the kind of thing where we have one and then it
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the rest go, you know, they just sit in the cupboard for weeks.
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But wouldn't it like a Panatoni though?
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I do like a Panatoni so I but. Yeah, again, we have to get the
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tiny, tiny ones because like the like a one person portion
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because there's only two of us. So, and I think that's the same
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with mince pies. Everything's in a six.
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Obviously 6 isn't a lot, but we will buy mince pie and I'll have
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one. So why don't we have a little
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two man two woman packet? Yeah, you have to.
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Or you have to go and spend more than you would spend on a whole
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6 pack on one mince pie. I think I get sucked in every
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year, and I've made a conscious decision this year to say nobody
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eats mince pies in this house, so yeah.
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I was, I was quite intrigued actually, when you were talking
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about that. Adam does the cooking in your
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house and we take it in turns. So one year I'll cook the nice
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dinner. The next year my husband will
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cook the nice dinner. And yeah, we turn.
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We kind of take it in turns. But one of the things that I
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picked up on from this article was that they were talking about
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the stress as well-being one of the reasons that people aren't
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having Christmas dinner. And it made me think about how
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much of that kind of the Christmas magic is down to women
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normally like doing the work in the background.
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Obviously in your house you're not the one slaving away in the
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kitchen all day. But I very much remember that
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from my childhood. I remember my mum in the kitchen
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and she'd have a port and lemon in the kitchen doing the
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cooking, the Christmas dinner while the rest of us were like
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watching Stuart Little or something and stuff in our face
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with Pringles and. The TV, well, don't get me
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wrong, I might not cook the Christmas dinner, but I do
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everything else, so let's just put that out there.
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That actually reminded me I brought this up actually at our
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Sunday dinner. We do have a roast dinner every
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Sunday, a veggie roast and I. I suddenly remembered about last
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year's Boots advert and how all the men in the lad were going to
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boycott Boots forever because they were so outraged.
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I don't know if you remember it was Mama Mummy Christmas or
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Mother Mrs. Christmas or whatever.
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Mrs. Claus doing all the Christmas, doing all the Santa
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bit whilst he slept and then it was basically a great advert
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around how acknowledging how much women do.
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Also bearing in mind that Boots targets audience is women.
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So it was a great advert, but if all the men were up in arms over
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it and so they were going to boycott Boots.
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And I said last night, I wonder if they have boycotted Boots or
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have they forgotten about that and gone back?
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Well, they they're probably like, yeah, well, boycott boots
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and boots were like, when was the last time you came in?
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I. Think that is basically what
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Boots said in retaliation to all the comments.
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Was like, you know, I'm not been funny like we.
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Haven't seen you for 10 years. Anyway, we know, We know your
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wife buys your moisturizer. Yeah, and you probably don't
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even wear moisturizer anyway, so.
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OK, she buys the toothpaste. Yeah.
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So yeah, my husband does the cooking.
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We that is our pretty much how we divvy up jobs.
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So in our house, we have our own jobs.
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I do the cleaning, not all the clean, you know, I kind of clean
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and he does all the cooking and the food shopping and stuff that
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suits me perfectly fine. I would rather clean and clean
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and clean and clean than not have to cook.
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And I actually, I don't dislike cooking and I'm actually quite a
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good cook. I just, it's that what are we
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going to eat tonight? There's a meme, isn't there,
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that says, I didn't realize that adulting would be, what am I
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going to have for dinner, you know, And for the rest?
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Of my life. Yeah.
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I thought about that yesterday. You telling me I have to think
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about it again today and. It's funny because it's way more
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cleaning than there is cooking, but I would still.
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Rather do the cleaning forever, yeah?
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I am. I'm running the Christmas quiz
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tonight at the local pub and one of the questions is in a low in
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a recent survey, so I've been looking at surveys too.
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What percentage of households in the IN across the UK throw out
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their Brussels sprouts afterwards?
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So do you know what that is? No, high or low, High or low,
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High. No, it's low.
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Although it's a quarter, it's a quarter of all that seems.
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That's why I was, I was, I was going to say like 30% maybe.
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I thought that was quite high. You know, I mean, I didn't think
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it was like 70% of people throw out their Brussels sprouts.
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I thought that, you know, that was quite a high amount of
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people that bought Brussels sprouts and then went why?
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I know and I was thinking because I thought it would be
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higher because, I mean, I'm not fan of a Brussel sprout mainly
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because most people cook them really badly.
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Actually my mum cooks them really well and then they, my
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nanny used to cook them really well.
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We'd like. She used to do like bacon and
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bread crumbs and stuff. I think not that many people buy
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them anymore, especially with with what you've said that that
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fewer people are actually doing a traditional dinner.
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So therefore the percentage of households trying it away, I
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think you are going to be smaller because I think you only
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buy them if you like them now. Yeah, it was quite the See, one
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of the things that the survey talked about as well was people
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taking shortcuts. OK, so what's like like we're on
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cheating again, aren't we? I mean I think that they'd so
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they were talking about basically like buying roast
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potatoes in a foil tray rather than already made bread sauce.
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Like add vegetables. See, I always get Brussels
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sprouts frozen. Quite a lot.
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So if we're having Brussels sprouts for Christmas dinner, if
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we were going to do that, we'd probably get them frozen,
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probably with chestnuts. And so we buy them frozen.
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But apparently that's a shortcut.
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I don't know if that means we're supposed to be like, heading out
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into the fields on Christmas Eve with a basket to, like, pick our
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own. Brussels sprouts vegetables is
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the shortcut we have. We eat frozen vegetables.
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They're actually prove to be more nutritious because they are
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the vitamins in that they're quick frozen and they keep the
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vitamins. Yeah.
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And the shelf life is so poor, like whenever I buy broccoli
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fresh, it gets thrown out, whereas we have now frozen
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broccoli. Yeah, that's why.
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But I don't know about frozen roast potatoes.
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I think I'm a little anti that. I think we grow our potatoes all
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their own body left. Actually, we do grow a lot of
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our own vegetables. I think if I said to Adam why
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don't we have frozen Yorkshire puddings this year, he would
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probably divorce me. See, I shortcut in the, but I
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like, I feel like there's a middle ground between those.
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See, the problem with frozen roast potatoes to me is that
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they always put them in batter. And I don't want frozen roast
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potatoes in batter. But the ones in the foil trays
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are just like somebody already cut up and par boiled the
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potatoes for you. So you just have to like put
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them in the oven. You don't have to like, think
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about it. So I do that like Yorkshire
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puddings, those ones that come in a bag.
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Nope. The ones that come in that are
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like frozen in a little foil tray and then like puff up in
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the oven. Yeah.
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See, it's like a midway midway cheating.
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Ultimately, you know, if you don't like cooking but you want
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the Christmas dinner or you find it all very stressful, it's
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actually a great, you know, just do what you want to do, even if
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that's. Pizza.
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Exactly. I just, yeah, I mean, again, my
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first thought when I saw this thing, I'm sorry.
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I'm, I get, I get, I'm getting quite twitchy about the idea
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that they were like, they're taking shortcuts and you know,
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that they're going these lazy women, they don't cook Christmas
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dinner from scratch anymore. It's really a blist as well,
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people that complain about grated cheese in bags, for
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example. And that's always, it's always
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lazy women. It's never lazy men, is it lazy
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women, you know, can't be bothered to grate.
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But actually some people find grating, they can't actually
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physically do it. So it makes it a lot simpler.
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Plus a lot of people don't have a beautiful kitchen with all the
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utensils and all the, you know, the big double oven and they
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don't have all of that. So anything to make life easier
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is good. Yeah.
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I mean. So my, my kitchen, I've got,
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we've got a lot of kit, but the kitchen itself is tiny.
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One person can fit in there. And that is it.
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That, I mean, that'll be why we take it in turns.
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And we're not like, hey, let's share Christmas dinner cooking
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together. Yeah.
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So that's that'd be fine for us because it's always Adam.
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Anyway, what have we decided then?
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We've decided eat whatever you like for Christmas dinner.
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The end. Do what you want and also
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Christmas is supposed to be fun and I think all these things we
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have to do just puts more pressure on proceedings and like
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I'm making. Sorry, I was going to say most
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of these traditions didn't exist until like 100 years ago anyway.
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You do what I mean. It's like, it's not like
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they're, they're like thousands of years old.
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The traditions, most of them are Victorian.
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A lot of the traditions that we are discussing.
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Women weren't working, so women didn't have jobs as well.
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And of course, you know, would prepare a massive big Sunday
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dinner or whatever. Whatever.
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So life has actually changed and young people absolutely look at
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traditions like that and think, well, what is the.
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Point doesn't doesn't work for our lives.
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Now you can't fit a whole Turkey.
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In an air fryer. So I want to talk about I'm A
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Celebrity, Get Me Out of here and love a bit of reality TV,
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but I know. You don't, I don't think.
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Do you watch it? I do like reality TV, depending
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on what it is. I'm quite picky, but I'm A
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Celebrity. I used to watch years ago.
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I think I gave up a long time ago, though.
20:48
Yeah. And I haven't watched this
20:49
series at all. Well, I don't watch it either,
20:51
so I am not going to be talking about what's happening in it
20:54
because I don't watch it. But what I have noticed is a
20:58
pattern that actually happens loads where the press are loving
21:03
the idea of pitting on woman against another.
21:07
So there are, there are obviously loads of women in the
21:11
jungle, but there are two that the press would describe.
21:15
This isn't me describing. The press would describe as the
21:18
bombshells. You know, they're the sexy ones,
21:20
the beautiful ones. That's not to say the others
21:23
aren't. It's just the way, you know, the
21:25
way the media and and so there's Vogue Williams and there's Kelly
21:29
Brook. And I have no idea what they've
21:31
done in the show because this isn't about that.
21:33
This is about the press. So what what I've noticed is the
21:36
press have really like pitted them against each other in a way
21:42
that we as the viewer have to choose our favorite.
21:46
And one has been made into the villain and one has been made
21:50
into the opposite of the villain, the hero.
21:52
So vote is the hero and Kelly is the villain and something really
21:57
some people will agree that she is the villain.
21:59
I have no idea. There's lots of people that
22:00
don't think she is. But the point is is how how the
22:05
press really want us to choose a side.
22:08
It's like we can't have two sexy women in one show or two
22:14
successful women or two beautiful women.
22:17
We can't have that. And it made me think about like
22:20
even just like in the early naughties, like it's you were
22:24
you were into Brittany or Christina.
22:26
We couldn't we couldn't be into both of them.
22:29
There wasn't room for two awesome women.
22:31
We had to choose a side. And yeah, the more I started
22:35
thinking about it, the more I was getting a little cross
22:37
because you're you're allowed to have two successful men in a
22:40
show, but not two women. And I thought let's just about
22:44
it. And giving gem will have
22:46
opinions on that. Yeah, because actually it's
22:49
regardless of the fact whether you like Kelly Brook or don't
22:52
like Kelly Brook, not relevant. It's just this kind of There can
22:56
only be two sexy women in the show, and it's like.
23:00
What utter bullshit is that? So the headline, one of the
23:03
headlines that I saw was because obviously they've got this like
23:05
jungle shower and like they all shower in a bikini because we're
23:09
not getting in the jungle shower naked in front of the cameras,
23:12
right? So the headline I saw was move
23:15
over Myleene class, Kelly Brook is here.
23:18
And so Myleene class was obviously in it like years ago.
23:20
And she was one of the first ones that I can remember.
23:22
They were like, oh, Myleene's having a shower in the jungle
23:24
shower. Let's get all excited because
23:26
she's in her pants. And so they had It was a picture
23:31
of Kelly Brook in this jungle shower and saying look for
23:36
basically. But did you see?
23:38
But a week later it said, move over, Kelly, Vogue's in the
23:42
shower. So then we had Vogue in the
23:44
shower. And regardless of what you think
23:47
of the women, it was like, why can't we just go, there's
23:51
another amazing woman on the show.
23:53
Why does it? Happen.
23:55
Why can't we be like, no, people have to have a shout.
23:59
Well, there is that, of course, but it's like, why can't we go,
24:02
wow, look at all the amazing women there are in our celebrity
24:06
this year, rather than let's make one into the hero and 1
24:09
into the villain and and we have it's a bit pantomime like, isn't
24:13
it? Jamila Jamil talks about this a
24:15
lot. She talks about the the fact
24:17
that the press have always got to kind of put people against
24:20
each other, especially when it's women.
24:21
They can't be like these people get on absolutely fine and work
24:25
together. It always has to be if there are
24:26
two, particularly if they're attractive women in the
24:30
traditional media, these women are attractive sense, which
24:34
normally means tall, skinny, busty, you know, then they, they
24:38
have to one of them. They, they can't possibly get
24:40
on. They can't be friends.
24:41
They can't be like helping each other out.
24:43
They have to be pitted against each other.
24:45
I, I'll be honest with you, apart from the patriarchy, I
24:49
don't know why they, why that has to be the thing.
24:53
I really don't understand why. It can't be that the women get
24:57
on with each other and why they feel the need to pit them
25:00
against each other. I mean, do you know, and what is
25:04
the point? And one of the things I noticed
25:07
on a, it's going to say daily, but it's actually an hourly
25:10
basis, particularly as I'm, you know, very visible online of how
25:14
women like the comments, the negative comments I get about my
25:17
body, my skin, my hair, whatever it is, are from women, never
25:21
from men. And obviously I see that on
25:23
everything I look at. And I'm wondering how, how much?
25:26
Well, not really wondering. I, I think it is how much that
25:30
kind of rhetoric that you can't have two gorgeous women
25:33
together. You have to choose a side. 1 is
25:36
a baddie, 1 is a goodie. All of that is just going into
25:40
our subconscious so that every time we see a woman, we have to
25:45
share our opinion on her or say she's a baddie.
25:48
You know, like we never say, oh, she's a goodie.
25:50
Where it's really like, that's what I said about that
25:52
pantomime. Like it's like.
25:55
You know, because Kelly Brook, which is total rubbish
25:58
obviously, but it's always on appearance though, isn't it?
26:01
It's never like, it's never like she's a more successful
26:05
businesswoman than she is. They must hate each other.
26:07
It's always. Like there are two.
26:09
If it was, even if there were two successful business women,
26:11
it would be like, she must hate her because she has better hair.
26:14
Well, yeah. And I, it's just feeding into a
26:17
narrative that, yeah, that to the like, it's only women.
26:22
So say Britney versus Christina. I feel like even like with the
26:26
Spice Girls, you had to choose your one, you know, and you
26:30
weren't allowed to like the Spice Girls and All Saints.
26:33
Like it was like, no, you'd absolutely choose your side, but
26:37
I feel like you were allowed to like boy zone and whoever you
26:40
know, like, or you know, you could have, like you could like
26:43
all of the guys in Westlife. I'm just thinking of boy bands
26:47
in the end, I think. You I think you had to have your
26:49
favorite though, didn't you? I mean, I was new Kids on the
26:51
Block era. I'm afraid so.
26:53
I was like, I had my little poster of Joey that I would kiss
26:56
it, kiss goodnight. That was like 11 we.
27:00
Did and I I was a Duran Duran fan and a little bit earlier
27:03
than you, but I don't remember the press telling me I had to.
27:07
No, and it was OK whichever 1 you picked as well.
27:10
It was like it was an equal opportunities which one was your
27:13
boy band member rather than rather than feeling like the
27:17
members of the boy band had to be enemies competing for your.
27:22
Adoration I feel in my time you were allowed to like Duran Duran
27:26
and Wan and Culture Club, you were allowed to like them all.
27:29
Whereas I feel like with the girl, I mean they were I can't
27:31
think of any girl bands back in the early 80s or Bananarama.
27:35
Bananarama. But we didn't have social media
27:37
so much and you know, is this a newer thing?
27:40
I don't know. Well, we had.
27:41
That I mean, you weren't allowed to like take that Andy 17.
27:44
That was definitely not allowed. I can remember.
27:46
I can definitely remember to remember that much.
27:49
That was more my, my little sister's kind of kind of era.
27:52
But I don't know, I think that the kind of competitiveness that
27:55
they that they, they put on it doesn't come in.
27:59
I guess there is a thing where you're used to, boys are
28:02
supposed to be part of a team, aren't they?
28:03
They're supposed to play football.
28:05
They're supposed to be, be part of that thing.
28:08
And there's the boys club. I mean, like we literally know
28:11
there's a boys club, right? Whereas whereas women are kind
28:16
of painted as competing for male attention, I guess.
28:18
So within that, if that's the thing that women are competing
28:22
for, which is the attention of men, then that's why then
28:26
they're they're pitied against each other to get that attention
28:29
rather than it being like, you know, we're all we're A-Team and
28:33
waiting for people to kind of come to us.
28:35
They're trying to get out of that and, and get some male
28:38
attention. And I think that's always the
28:40
thing as well as it's the assumption that these women are
28:43
just, you know, they're having a shower in their bikini because
28:46
they want everyone to see how gorgeous they are because
28:48
they're somehow are competing to be the most gorgeous rather than
28:51
they just wanted to clean their bits because they're a bit
28:54
sweaty. In the jungle, yeah.
28:56
And then then. But the production team play
28:58
into that, don't they? Because I haven't watched it.
29:00
So were they filmed more than the men or than the other women?
29:05
I don't, I don't know. Definitely the press picked up
29:08
on it. But I think your point about
29:10
boys are in a team and they're not fighting against each other
29:16
for anything. What?
29:17
And maybe some things, but I cannot think of anything.
29:20
Whereas we are supposed to be the prettiest, for example, or
29:25
you know, getting the man, 2 girls fighting for the man.
29:29
You don't hear about two guys fighting for the girl.
29:31
I mean, obviously that happens, but it is that and obviously
29:35
that just brings us all down to our appearance, doesn't it?
29:38
But it's competitiveness as well.
29:40
Competitiveness is allowed in men and it's viewed as a
29:43
positive trait, whereas whereas in women amazing, which is why
29:47
then that's why you end up with someone being the villain.
29:50
But, and I do think we do see about men competing for women
29:54
because women are considered a prize.
29:56
The attractive women is considered a prize.
29:58
That's that's kind of what they're after.
30:00
But that that competitiveness, it's really difficult to kind of
30:04
put it into words, which is terrible on a podcast.
30:07
I am aware of that. So like with women?
30:11
Women. Physically, women are supposed
30:13
to be attractive and they're supposed to be a prize, and
30:15
therefore they are viewing other women as competition.
30:19
They need to be more attractive than those other women so that
30:23
the men who are competing for them will want them instead.
30:25
But that competitiveness in women is viewed as a bad thing,
30:29
and therefore they're not also supposed to not, you know, that
30:32
they want to be the most beautiful.
30:33
So when a woman acknowledges that she thinks she might be
30:36
attractive, then that's a negative trait.
30:38
We don't, you know, we don't want to see like women saying,
30:41
Oh no, I think I'm gorgeous. Women are supposed to be like,
30:43
no, I'm ugly. It's awful.
30:45
When really we all know that they're classically attractive
30:48
with long blonde hair and big boobs and tiny waist and
30:52
whatever. They aren't.
30:54
True. Or is that the press and social
30:57
media and society perpetuating that because we're not all
31:01
competing against each other to get the guy.
31:03
We're just, I get comments like this all the time about, you
31:06
know, you're only doing this for to get the man type of thing.
31:09
I'm not in those words. And it's like, no, they want,
31:13
I'm wearing this dress for me. This I when I get it a lot about
31:16
makeup, particularly I talk about aging and and I get a
31:21
backlash sometimes for wearing makeup because apparently if I'm
31:24
aging, I shouldn't care about my makeup.
31:27
And I'm like, well, I like makeup.
31:29
So it's got nothing to do with anything.
31:30
And then people say to me, and it's women as well that say to
31:33
me, yeah. But it's so freeing because
31:35
realizing you don't need to attract a man and you don't need
31:37
to attract anybody. It's so free and you don't have
31:40
to wear makeup. But it's like, but I'm wearing
31:42
makeup for me and people find that really hard to grasp as a
31:47
concept that I do my roots. For me, I wear my lipsticks.
31:52
For me, I wear a pretty frock. For me it's not.
31:56
I mean it's not to attract a male or even my husband like
32:01
it's for me. Yeah.
32:02
I mean, no, I don't believe it's true.
32:04
In answer to your question, I obviously don't believe it's
32:07
true. I think women are just existing.
32:09
And I've seen plenty of stuff online.
32:12
I think M Clarkson did a video once, like a stupid reel where
32:16
she was like knocking on a door. And she was like, do you know,
32:19
you don't have to raise your hand?
32:20
You could knock on a door with your hand down instead.
32:23
Oh, amazing. But she was wearing leggings and
32:25
a sweatshirt in it. And somehow it got to the wrong
32:28
side of the Internet and a load of blokes turned up saying, oh,
32:30
look at you wearing leggings just to show off your bum like
32:33
crazy. Yeah.
32:34
No. And I mean, these are literally
32:36
just women existing. And that's exactly what's
32:38
happening when I'm A Celebrity. There are women that are just
32:40
existing. I mean, honestly, it's quite
32:43
obvious if you're not watching this with video.
32:46
I have a very short Bob and it's bleached blonde, so my hair is
32:50
incredibly natural. But if I was going to choose a
32:52
haircut to attract a man, this would not be it.
32:55
Generally the classic thing is to be going for, you know, your
32:58
pan 10 natural vibes. Yeah, no.
33:01
And if if if every outfit I wore was to was for my husband, they
33:05
would be very three different outfits to the ones that I want
33:09
actually wear. Yeah, it's absolutely for me.
33:12
I like I do. As I get older, I wear a lot
33:15
less makeup. There were there was times when
33:17
I wouldn't go out without makeup on at all, but I wear a lot less
33:20
makeup now. To be fair, I also get my
33:22
eyelashes glued on and my eyebrows tattooed on.
33:24
So maybe I don't need? It for you?
33:30
Yeah. Because I like it.
33:32
I don't think there's blokes out there going on.
33:34
I wished, yeah, but I wish she'd glued her eyelashes on.
33:37
Yeah, no, I like it. I love it.
33:39
And yeah, a lot of the things that I wear and a lot of the
33:41
things that I go for because. Because I like them and I love
33:44
playing with my appearance like that.
33:47
But you do get that backlash online.
33:48
I again, there's a video that I put up weeks ago, which I think
33:51
I've spoken about a couple of times where I say I am 46 and
33:55
I'm not afraid to admit that. And then in the comments I put
33:57
like in the caption, I've put loads of stupid things that
34:00
aren't very grown up that I do. And literally I'm still getting
34:02
comments on it now either telling me how old I look, which
34:05
thanks, not really bothered. But then I got one the other day
34:08
that went well. The haircut says it all.
34:10
I don't even need to read the caption.
34:12
And I was like, what? What does it what?
34:14
What does my hair say? And it is just that assumption
34:18
that everything. It is weird though, that that
34:21
assumption comes from women. But I bet if you bet, if you ask
34:25
them, they wouldn't think that everything they were doing was
34:27
to be attractive to men. So it's like we assume it about
34:30
other women, but we know it's not true about us.
34:32
Yeah, although I don't assume it about anybody, but I get, I get
34:38
a lot of comments and it's all the negativity.
34:41
All I'd say 99.9% is from women. It's not from men and men turn
34:48
up and write silly things on my feed or slip into my DMS and go,
34:53
hi. There's a lot that but it's it's
34:55
women and they just yeah, I feel like bringing it back to 1
35:00
celebrity and the media, they are so used to, as you said, us
35:05
being the prize or us being the hero and the villain or being
35:10
judged all the time by how we look.
35:12
And and you have, you know, and feeling that everything you do
35:15
is for an ulterior motive because the press tells you it
35:18
is all look, she's wearing a short skirt.
35:20
Look, she's in the shower and I'm A Celebrity washing her body
35:23
that it's so ingrained in into our brains because we see it
35:27
over and over and over and because we don't critically
35:31
think we just so this is true. And then we blurt that out on
35:36
the Internet to other people and we just keep repeating I saying
35:41
we I'm not saying me repeating the same rhetoric and therefore
35:45
it nothing changes. Yeah, that's what I was.
35:48
I was going to say, when we say we, we're talking a general
35:52
society thing, the kind of people that are leaving these
35:55
comments on the Internet because sometimes it is quite, it's
35:57
quite hard and you have to second guess.
35:59
I think it's about questioning yourself.
36:01
So before you kind of when you read those articles, and we've
36:05
brought this up before as well, haven't we?
36:06
When you read those articles and you feel that first thought pop
36:10
into your head, I think the key thing is having that critical
36:13
analysis and that first thought that pops into your head going,
36:16
where does that come from? If if the press is telling you
36:19
that they are pitting these women against each other and you
36:22
go, oh, it's terrible, they hate each other to question that
36:25
thought and say, why do I think they hate each other?
36:28
Do they actually hate each other?
36:29
Or am I just being trained to think that because there are two
36:33
attractive women, they must therefore be in competition with
36:37
each other? So much critical thinking as
36:39
needed. OK, so final topic that I wanted
36:53
to talk about just because it's been everywhere at the moment,
36:56
is the Pantone Colour of the Year, which you might think is a
37:00
bit of a non topic but it's been really controversial so I don't
37:04
know if you've seen it. If you haven't.
37:05
This year's Pantone colour of the year is Cloud Dancer, which
37:09
Pantone described as a billowy balanced white.
37:13
Last year it was mocha moofs, which was kind of beige and the
37:16
year before that it was Peach fuzz, which was kind of soft and
37:19
warm. So we're kind of heading further
37:20
and further and further down into the non colour angle.
37:24
So there's a few things that have come up about this that
37:27
I've been seeing. So the first one is the fact
37:30
that really white water. Do we not do we not need?
37:34
I mean, I think we can tell if you, if you have the video on
37:38
for this, I've got some kind of wallpaper behind me and Kate's
37:42
got a very dark blue wall, but they're trying to like suck all
37:46
the colour out of our lives that now everything is this kind of
37:48
white, grey and beige. So that's coming up a lot.
37:51
And the other thing is like seriously and like kind of the
37:54
culture that we're in at the moment, like picking white as
37:58
the colour of the year could potentially be a bit of a
38:02
political state. So I think I'll start with like,
38:08
OK, obviously like I said, I can see the colour of the wall
38:10
behind you. Do you?
38:11
Are you a colourful person in general?
38:14
Well. I'm into colour.
38:17
It's worth saying that the Pantone Colour of the Year
38:19
announcement is actually in my diary every single year because
38:23
I run a wedding blog and the Pantone Colour of the Year is
38:26
actually really influential towards the industry.
38:31
And so you might say mocha or the Peach, you know, was still
38:35
quite soft, but actually Peach people started embracing Peach
38:39
tones into their weddings. So it's actually really exciting
38:42
the cut of the Pantone color of the year because it does impact
38:45
the industry. So when it was announced that it
38:47
was white, it was like a weddings white.
38:50
Wow, that's amazing. But also I have noticed through
38:54
obviously blogging about weddings all the time that white
38:57
on white on white weddings are becoming more fashionable again.
39:00
And because we promote weddings with personality.
39:04
And that's not to say you haven't got a personality if you
39:06
have a white on white on white wedding.
39:08
But it's like, why? So that was my first thought.
39:11
But as. You said it's the whole
39:13
political thing that people are talking about, I think is really
39:16
interesting. And when you said let's talk
39:19
about Pantone color of the year, my first thought was like, why I
39:23
don't want to talk about it. But then, you know, I started
39:27
thinking about the mood that I'm seeing online from the clean
39:33
girl aesthetic, which is what it's literally called, which has
39:35
been prevalent for the last year or two or even more trends
39:39
online. So it is very, you know, women
39:42
wearing beige and white and neutrals, glossy natural faces,
39:48
blonde, always blonde buns, you know, hair tie back, you know,
39:52
clean, clean girl. But what's happened in the last
39:55
year is the messy aesthetic is breaking through.
39:59
I mean, I've always been messy, but the messy aesthetic with
40:02
like Charlie XX and smudged eyeliner and sex drugs and
40:07
Rock'n'roll and being messy has really.
40:11
Come to the forefront, obviously she's won loads of awards,
40:15
fashion as like looking back to kind of the naughties indie
40:19
sleeves. Not that we called it in.
40:20
This leaves back there. And I wonder you said about
40:23
politics. We'll come on to that in a
40:24
minute, whether there's somebody somewhere going.
40:28
No, we don't want messy girl because messy girl is riot girl.
40:33
It's sticking 2 fingers up. It's saying I'm going to do it
40:36
my way and young people are really embracing Messy Girl as
40:42
if it's like the first time I've ever seen because it is the
40:44
first time. It's not first time to us
40:46
because that's how we lived our lives in the 90s.
40:50
We are. We are.
40:51
Messy are messy girls. We already, you know, I've
40:53
always, you know, put my handbag.
40:55
It's a big fat mess. Things aren't compartmentalized
40:58
like the clean girl aesthetic it had.
41:00
So I wonder whether there's somebody somewhere going, oh, we
41:04
can't have this messy girl. We need to pull.
41:07
I think back to. Clean aesthetic, because I think
41:09
people ultimately are quite scared of particularly women who
41:13
are like, Nah, I'm not doing that.
41:15
Yeah, see this, this is, these were exactly part of my thoughts
41:19
on it was that I'm mostly in the kind of Wellness fitness space
41:23
and you get a lot of that kind of aesthetic there as well.
41:26
And then it goes into clean eating and kind of you get, you
41:31
get so much of it and it's, and you see it in interior decor
41:34
when everyone's houses are kind of white and grey and that whole
41:38
kind of that whole kind of look. So you do see that a lot.
41:41
And it's been linked quite a lot to that kind of Republicanism
41:45
obviously being the American angle of that or conservatism
41:48
presumably in this country. But that kind of very
41:51
traditional values and we've got it and purity, which is where
41:55
the kind of like eugenics kind of angle all comes into it and.
42:00
Also not just eugenics act to you think about women's rights
42:05
being taken away, people wanting us to be more virginal to be
42:09
traditional, all of that stuff that is happening in
42:12
conservative Republican and in other countries as well.
42:16
And and so the other white feels very apartment.
42:21
Yeah. Also there's a backlash surely
42:24
because there's a lot of people online going.
42:26
What? The actual white isn't even a
42:29
color. So whilst it might be kind of on
42:32
the nose in that sense of the, the purity and that that kind of
42:36
that kind of backlash that we do that we do see maybe in that
42:39
kind of more cult counterculture at the moment.
42:42
But we know historically that the counterculture stuff quite
42:45
often then starts to, to filter, filter through a bit.
42:48
I mean, the catwalks were still showing a lot of color this
42:52
year. So they are they are showing
42:54
those kind of fuzzy fabrics and and bright colors maybe.
42:57
Yeah, maybe this is that kind of, I don't know enough about
43:00
Pantone as a company, but is this a kind of let's push us
43:04
back in the other way a bit towards?
43:06
That, I don't know. I think the point you made about
43:08
the catwalk and an interior design and all things are going
43:11
towards more color, this messy girl aesthetic because that is
43:15
becoming the bigger thing. And you're seeing it in fashion,
43:19
you're seeing it in music, you're singing in interior.
43:21
And as you said, it's like counter, it's the backlash, it's
43:24
counterculture, which always exists.
43:27
But it feels like there's somebody that wants to drag us
43:33
back. But are we just radical
43:35
feminists, you know, going reading too much into this?
43:40
Is it just white is the colour of the year?
43:43
Because. White is nice I.
43:45
Think both of those. Things can be true.
43:47
White is nice. It's white.
43:49
I mean, I would say, I would say we are reading things into it,
43:52
but if you think that there are things to be read into it, then
43:56
it's true. I mean, you have to have that
43:58
kind that comes back to that critical thinking again and that
44:00
kind of cultural analysis that at some point you have to say,
44:04
OK, Pantone, colour of the year can be quite influential.
44:08
And the fact that they've chosen essentially white, called it
44:11
cloud dancer. I have to say some of the things
44:14
that Pantone are saying about it, they're saying like this is
44:17
a color that allows other colors to shine is one of the things
44:20
that they said. And that was their kind of like
44:22
take on it. But is it that kind of thing?
44:24
I mean, we would like to think that that messy aesthetic has
44:27
taken over. However, unfortunately, the kind
44:30
of like the rise of the right and the, and, and those things,
44:34
we're still seeing that that's the kind of dominant culture at
44:38
the moment. So maybe it is reflective of the
44:40
times we're in, but we are seeing maybe some of that
44:43
backlash, which might take a few years to filter through.
44:46
If we're lucky, maybe it'll be hot pink next year.
44:50
I don't know. I think it's easy to think we're
44:52
reading something into it, but I don't think we are personally
44:55
because as you said, Pantone's choice is very influential.
45:00
We look to it, stylists look to it, you know, it's, and they
45:05
have actively chosen it. So it's not like, oh, let's flip
45:09
a coin. Should we have white or pink
45:11
this year? Well, I mean, who knows how they
45:13
choose it, but they know and they, they look at trends and
45:16
they look at trend reports and they, you know, it's, it's, it
45:20
is considered. So it does seem very
45:22
interesting, hence so much chat about it that they have actively
45:26
chosen white, pure, original, bridal or just nothing one Yeah
45:33
I. Had some what else did they say
45:35
about it? Because I did.
45:35
Oh yeah. And that was it the.
45:36
Do you remember the Sydney Sweeney American Eagle ad?
45:41
Yeah. So that was that was kind of
45:42
bought up as another kind of example of that kind of those
45:45
kind of companies that are kind of pushing that aesthetic and
45:50
pushing that kind of values. Yeah, the, the traditional
45:54
values and the, and I, I always feel like the word, the word
45:57
traditional, maybe we're going back to Christmas dinner again,
46:00
but the word traditional carries a lot of, carries a lot of
46:03
weight on it. The word traditional, I mean,
46:05
you might think that it's traditional.
46:07
What does traditional mean? Traditional means things we've
46:09
always done or things that we do every year.
46:11
But it doesn't, does it the word when they when it's used in that
46:14
political context and we are talking about tradition, the
46:18
word, the word the traditional family means we're starting to
46:21
say that one imply or infer which one is it?
46:25
I don't care that one thing that this is the right kind of
46:28
family. This is the traditional family.
46:30
And therefore, and it's a word that only gets used when
46:35
different types of family units start to pop up.
46:38
And it's used to suggest that those types of family units are
46:41
maybe not as valid because they've they've not been around
46:45
for so long. So yeah, when you start using
46:47
tradition in these terms and pushing for that kind of return
46:51
to that, there is a lot that that that's doing a lot of heavy
46:53
lifting that word tradition. Yeah, it is.
46:56
To me it means sexist, for example.
47:00
And that doesn't mean if you embrace something traditional
47:03
that you are sexist. But to me traditional is 1950s.
47:08
That's traditional post war. It's either 50s or Victoria,
47:11
which we will notice, which we will notice are two periods of
47:15
time that did a lot of effort into pushing women into very
47:20
specific gender role. Absolutely.
47:22
When you think of traditions you traditional.
47:24
I don't think of the 70s. Seventies is when people were at
47:27
what lots of things happened in the 70s obviously, but there was
47:30
pushback as as there was in the late 60s as well and the 60s
47:34
too. So to me, it's like going
47:36
backwards. But I just, there's also
47:38
something about, I know, you know, upset all the people that
47:42
love white. Isn't it just a little bit
47:44
soulless or safe? Like, you know, if you just
47:49
wear, not wear. So say you just paint the walls
47:52
white. I mean, I have rooms that are
47:53
white as well. Don't get me wrong.
47:55
There's no color in every room, but there's something kind of
47:58
quite safe about white. Isn't that it's not
48:00
controversial. Nobody read.
48:02
I mean, I was going to say no one has an opinion on it, having
48:04
just chatted for 10 minutes. That's our opinions.
48:07
But you know, ultimately it's like it doesn't, doesn't upset
48:10
anybody. So are they just playing it?
48:13
Safe. Well, it backfired if that's
48:15
what they thought is. I've never heard so much chat
48:18
about the Pantone colour of the year.
48:21
Or is your algorithm just showing you all that?
48:23
You know, like do you just follow people who have an
48:26
opinion about colour? I follow a lot of people who
48:28
have opinions. That's that's largely what my
48:31
algorithm does. But I think it is.
48:33
It is safe. Oh.
48:34
Yeah, that's a whole. It is, it's, it's an it's, but
48:38
is it an easy choice because it's also just a non colour
48:41
colour, isn't it? Is it even a colour?
48:43
It's like, it's like Pantone went oh, I just don't know.
48:46
I'm can't be bothered with this anymore.
48:48
They've been doing this for nearly 20 years, picking the
48:50
Pantone colour of the year, haven't they?
48:51
It was like 1999 they started doing it I think.
48:54
There is a lot of colours in I feel like you.
48:56
With it in your diary will know more.
48:57
About that, Well, I've got a big Pantone book and they're because
49:02
and when I would, I used to head up signage at Tesco's and I had
49:06
my Pantone book and I would be like using it all the time.
49:09
And there's a lot of choice in there.
49:12
I mean, white was really not, you know, but it's also like,
49:15
remember that thing in the 80s where you'd paint your wall
49:18
white or well, I wouldn't, my mum would paint her and she'd be
49:21
like, but this is barley white and you'd be like nurse just
49:25
white mum. Or it'd be fluffy clap.
49:28
What's it called? What's the Pantone colour of the
49:29
year? See, there's one called.
49:30
Crowd dancer, which is something else.
49:32
That's Cloud dancer, White Kate. And I'd be like, no, mum, it's
49:36
just white. You know, all those whites that
49:38
have different names, but they're just white.
49:40
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all those paints that all
49:45
at the same the paints that Farley white.
49:47
Yeah, this is all and you spend ages.
49:49
This is the yeah, when I've been choosing paint since like and
49:52
here's the white that goes with it and you go it's white yeah,
49:55
say cloud, but the cloud dancer colour has that kind of kind of
49:58
greyish background to it. I think so this is what my
50:01
husband said this morning is he was, he said, boys, why even a
50:03
colour like whites, like the absence of colour, like which
50:07
again, by picking, I think that, I mean, I know that this is
50:10
apparently cloud dancer white and therefore it's a soft
50:13
billowy white or whatever they said, but it is white.
50:16
It's it's on the page of their Pantone colour book that said
50:20
white at the top, right. It's not on the blue page.
50:22
It's not on the green page. It's definitely on the white
50:25
page. So it's, it is a just a lack of
50:28
colour. And you know, I feel like they
50:31
know it's influential. So they know that it's going to
50:33
get talked about and kind of the world's depressing enough.
50:37
Do we? Do we want some nice bright
50:39
colors to cheer us up rather than like, reflecting it in that
50:42
kind of just absence of? Color I just, yeah, I think
50:46
knowing how influential it is in all the jobs I've done and stuff
50:50
in the past, it's just really disappointing that, you know,
50:53
and, and but what? But I suppose to wrap up what
50:57
you said about the counterculture, I've always been
51:02
alternative. Whilst it sounds like 14, so
51:04
I've always gone against the grain.
51:07
So I just think there'll be so many people going well, I'm not
51:12
going to create a white aesthetic across my Instagram
51:16
grid or my whatever my, you know, my digital magazine or
51:20
whatever it is you're creating. Nah, I'm sorry.
51:23
And I feel like there's going to be, you know, maybe next year's
51:26
will be black, but not black. Called Noir 9, something
51:33
Obsidian green. Which is the the color I've
51:35
painted one of my walls, which is black.
51:38
Yeah, we'll lead. We'll lead the rebel girl color
51:41
revolution. Yeah, just, and also the goth in
51:44
me. You know, I was a goth at 14 and
51:46
I and I'm, well, just, I'm not white.
51:49
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