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#389 Stranger Danger · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is the trickiest part about having this conversation,
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Speaker 2: I think for most parents, is this idea that we
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Speaker 2: don't want to create in our children of fear that
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Speaker 2: every person, unknown to them is a risk of danger.
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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my Mum
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Speaker 1: and Dad.
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Speaker 3: Well, Parental Guidance on Channel nine last night started off
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Speaker 3: with a lot of fun with Dodge and cars and
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Speaker 3: families laughing and breaking into their own homes and showing
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Speaker 3: everyone how how they can they can undo their security.
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Speaker 3: And then the mood changed amazingly and quite heavily, and
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Speaker 3: we have got to talk about parental guidance on Channel
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Speaker 3: nine last.
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Speaker 1: Night, not my children, but just the thought of that
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Speaker 1: happening to your child.
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Speaker 3: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson. I'm the parenting expert
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Speaker 3: on parental guidance and the founder of Happy Families dot com,
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Speaker 3: dot I you, and I'm here with Kylie, my wife
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Speaker 3: Mund our six kids and co host of the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Kylie, what did you think?
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Speaker 2: That was probably some of the hardest TV I've had
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Speaker 2: to watch in a long time.
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Speaker 1: But even though it was hard to.
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Speaker 2: Watch it, it's a conversation that we just have to have.
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Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, as a result of last night's show airing,
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Speaker 2: how many people are actually now having this conversation with
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Speaker 2: their kids.
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Speaker 1: If you missed it, here's what happened. Charlie's just had puppies.
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Speaker 1: They're just over there. You want to go have a
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Speaker 1: look at them?
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Speaker 3: Puppies just over there, just over the behind the chair,
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Speaker 3: little puppies.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to go? Okay? It makes me so.
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Speaker 4: Angry that some would ever do that to a child,
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Speaker 4: and that's an act of it. I'm just like it
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Speaker 4: was as a dad doing things to me about in
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Speaker 4: that In that in that scenario we.
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Speaker 1: Mentioned the respect of authority, obedious, it's really difficult for
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Speaker 1: a kid, in let alone fave year old kid to
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Speaker 1: tell about. I know it's authority, but I have a
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Speaker 1: good feeling.
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Speaker 5: Of course you can. Tony cheers, isn't she She actually
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Speaker 5: just had a few little puppies.
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Speaker 4: I've got to feel more.
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Speaker 1: In the car you want it comes in?
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Speaker 5: They're so cute, unbelievably cute.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to get the other guys? You want
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Speaker 1: to come check out the puppies. Okay, Tony years puppy.
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Speaker 2: Cry Well, I still get chills. It was really intense.
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Speaker 3: I was I was literally sitting in front of the
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Speaker 3: TV weeping. I mean just because you put yourself there
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Speaker 3: and you think, what would they do?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 3: What would my kids do? Like we've had the conversations.
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Speaker 3: Actually we've probably let ourselves laps a little bit here
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Speaker 3: on this conversation. We were very very good with the
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Speaker 3: first four, probably our first four.
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Speaker 1: I don't reckon.
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Speaker 3: We've had this conversation for about three years, and our
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Speaker 3: little ones need this conversation.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's where it hit me.
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Speaker 2: It was like, We've got this adorable little seven year
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Speaker 2: old who is just so trusting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so hlorious dogs and.
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Speaker 2: Loves lizards, loves meeting people, and the thought of her
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Speaker 2: being placed in that situation. I think we would have
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Speaker 2: been in a similar situation to many of the parents
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Speaker 2: last night.
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Speaker 3: I reckon we would have been sitting on that catch
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Speaker 3: right next to Andrew and Miriam crying as we watched
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Speaker 3: our kids, or Breton Tony as we watched our ki
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Speaker 3: And what about I mean strength in numbers. You always
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Speaker 3: think you have four kids, four nine year olds, as
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Speaker 3: if there's going to be a problem. Wow, I've got
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Speaker 3: chills even talking about it now, I know.
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Speaker 2: So, is there any stats on the kids that are
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Speaker 2: most at risk, because basically last night highlighted that parenting
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Speaker 2: style aside, it's no guarantee. No, I don't think, I
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Speaker 2: don't even having conversations is no guarantee.
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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I mean that just stood out so much.
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Speaker 3: So I've been looking for good stats and it seems
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Speaker 3: that different states report different things in different ways at
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Speaker 3: different times.
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Speaker 1: So the best stats that I can find are about
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Speaker 1: five or six years old.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: They're from the Australian's site of Health and Welfare and
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Speaker 3: it's twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen data. But what it shows
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Speaker 3: is that there were just so I can't get any
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Speaker 3: stats on attempted kidnappings and that kind of thing, which
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Speaker 3: is the really pointing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the scariest of scary stuff.
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Speaker 3: But in terms of suspected child abuse and child neglect,
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Speaker 3: we've got about three hundred and twenty thousand nationally reported
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Speaker 3: cases of suspected issues with kids like that.
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Speaker 1: That's a third of a million.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the number is just staggering, and around about
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Speaker 3: sixty thousand of those cases were confirmed.
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Speaker 1: But there are so many cases that aren't being reported.
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Speaker 1: There are so many things.
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Speaker 3: I've got a couple of friends I've got We've got
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Speaker 3: some friends who work in the police, and they literally
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Speaker 3: are actually at the cold face of child protection and
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Speaker 3: they just shake their head. They say, you wouldn't believe,
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't believe what's going on. And you know what,
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Speaker 3: Actually the biggest predictors are of who's most likely to
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Speaker 3: suffer child abuse or child neglect. Age is the most
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Speaker 3: significant predictor. The most abused group kids under the age
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Speaker 3: of one, Oh, my god, at a rate of fourteen
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Speaker 3: point seven kids in every thousand, and then from one
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Speaker 3: to four is the next most vulnerable group.
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Speaker 1: And then as.
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Speaker 3: Children get older, the likelihood of harm is reduced, probably
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Speaker 3: because they have voices and they have legs, so there
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Speaker 3: are other factors as well. Gender gender matters enormously. Girls
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Speaker 3: are almost twice as likely to be sexually abused than boys,
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Speaker 3: something like the latest start that I found was sixteen
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Speaker 3: point seven percent versus nine percent. But boys are actually
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Speaker 3: more likely to be the victims of abusive like physically
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Speaker 3: violent behavior and I think the most important thing and
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Speaker 3: I made this point on the show last night, but
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Speaker 3: I need to emphasize it in the podcast today. When
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Speaker 3: we look at data from the Australian Institute of Criminology,
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Speaker 3: sexual abuse most likely to be perpetrated by someone they know,
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Speaker 3: someone known and trusted by the child or the family.
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Speaker 3: It's something like ninety percent of cases the offender is
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Speaker 3: known and trusted. So the breakdown basically is a male
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Speaker 3: relative other than the father or step father thirty percent,
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Speaker 3: a family friend, acquaintance, on neighbor, another known person, and
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Speaker 3: then the father or step father is the lowest at
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Speaker 3: thirteen point five percent, and then the remaining ten percent
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Speaker 3: that's when the offender is a stranger. So important important
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Speaker 3: data to know.
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Speaker 2: So in light of that data, it would seem that
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Speaker 2: there's two really important conversations we need to have with
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Speaker 2: our kids because it's not always a stranger that we
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Speaker 2: need to be wary of. So we used to talk
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Speaker 2: to the kids about five really important things when it
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Speaker 2: came to strangers to help keep them safe. You want
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Speaker 2: to talk us through.
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Speaker 1: Those and I'm so glad you said that.
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Speaker 3: Like, it's literally two conversations at a lot of experts
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Speaker 3: now say, don't even talk about stranger danger. But I
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Speaker 3: think that there's still value in highlighting that there can
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Speaker 3: be some strangers who have bad motives, who are bad actors,
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Speaker 3: who are unpredictable, but we've got to let them know
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Speaker 3: that they're I don't I don't want to use these
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Speaker 3: words with kids, but from an adult to adult conversation,
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Speaker 3: we've got to let them. Let them know that they're
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Speaker 3: at the greatest risk from people that we know and trust.
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Speaker 3: So let's before the break, let's talk about those five
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Speaker 3: things we talk to our kids about regarding strangers, and
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Speaker 3: then after the break, we'll talk about how to talk
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Speaker 3: to kids about people that you know and trust who
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Speaker 3: might still be unsafe.
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Speaker 1: Tricky is the word that we actually use.
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Speaker 3: So first first point, yep, this is one that we
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Speaker 3: both talked about and got really clear on from the outset,
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Speaker 3: and that is that most strangers are really good people.
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Speaker 2: This is the trickiest part about having this conversation, I
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Speaker 2: think for most parents, is this idea that we don't
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Speaker 2: want to create in our children of fear that every
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Speaker 2: person unknown to them.
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Speaker 1: Is a risk of danger. Yeah, that's exactly right. So
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Speaker 1: that's it.
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Speaker 3: Number one, teach the kids that most strangers are good people.
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Speaker 1: But number two, if.
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Speaker 3: The stranger ever approaches, you just check with your parents
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Speaker 3: or with whoever's looking after you before you do anything
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Speaker 3: with that stranger.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we saw in the show last night.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't that so great to see that?
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Speaker 1: These kids?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so good And I loved how the two siblings
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Speaker 2: from the Attachment Parents, how they joined forces. It was
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Speaker 2: just so good to see because there is strength in numbers,
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Speaker 2: you know. We saw the four boys and the rawness
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Speaker 2: of that, thinking that four boys is going to be safe, and.
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Speaker 1: That they weren't.
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Speaker 2: But then we see what happens when there's one voice.
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Speaker 3: So Raffi and Chaya, the two kids from the Attachment Parents,
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Speaker 3: they just sort of whispered to each other and they
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Speaker 3: were so cute the way they did it, and it worked.
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Speaker 3: It gave them the strength to say no. And Rich's kids,
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Speaker 3: the Nature parents, they're kids, same thing.
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Speaker 1: We're just going to go tell We'll just go check. Yeah, yeah, brilliant.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I loved it.
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Speaker 3: And Harper she was the same. I'll just go and
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Speaker 3: check with the babysitter. That was Jan and Donna's little
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Speaker 3: girl seven years old. Again, I mean just so so
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Speaker 3: straight up, so strong. So I think that they're the
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Speaker 3: two most important things. Number one, most strangers are good people.
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Speaker 3: And number two, if you're ever approached by a stranger,
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Speaker 3: you can actually talk to them, it's okay. But if
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Speaker 3: they want you to do anything, go and check with
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Speaker 3: your parents. I remember when we were living in Woollongong,
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Speaker 3: about an hour south of Sydney for those who are
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Speaker 3: unfamiliar with the geography, we were at the potanical gardens
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Speaker 3: one day and somebody came up to us and said,
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Speaker 3: we've just had our little guy come and let us
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Speaker 3: know that there's some random stranger who has asked him
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Speaker 3: to go off into the bushes to check out a
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Speaker 3: lizard that he found. And fortunately the little boy had
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Speaker 3: gone and said, hey, is it okay if I check
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Speaker 3: in the gardens with this guy who wants to show
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Speaker 3: me the lizard. Just checking with the parents. It's the safeguard,
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Speaker 3: like it does. Get that through to your kids.
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Speaker 1: Next one.
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Speaker 2: Number three, if you're going somewhere with a stranger, always
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Speaker 2: stay in public.
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Speaker 3: Now this rule, yeah, this, even if you've checked with
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Speaker 3: your parents, still stay where people can see you.
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Speaker 2: Well, And this is something that even our eighteen and
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Speaker 2: nineteen year.
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Speaker 1: Olds, Yeah, they need it follow So.
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Speaker 2: If you're meeting someone for the first time, you just
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Speaker 2: make sure you're in public. And they have abided by
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Speaker 2: that and it has been such a great sense of
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Speaker 2: security for us.
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Speaker 3: Okay, here's a really controversial and provocative one, but I
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Speaker 3: stand by it. Some people are going to hate it,
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Speaker 3: but I stand by it. We have always given our
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Speaker 3: children a hierarchy of helpers. So if you're lost, if
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Speaker 3: you're stuck, if you're in trouble, if things are not
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Speaker 3: going well for you, you sometimes need to approach a stranger
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Speaker 3: and get help. And we have taught our kids, unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: because when you look at the stats, you've just got
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Speaker 3: to go with the numbers that if you need help,
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Speaker 3: go to a stranger, preferably a mum with children with
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Speaker 3: her right then. And if you can't find a mum
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Speaker 3: with children, then find a dad with children, or find
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Speaker 3: a woman who is I don't know, middle aged or
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Speaker 3: looks trustworthy, or go into a store and stay in
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Speaker 3: a public space.
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Speaker 1: But go into a store.
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Speaker 3: And the hierarchy can the policeman, well, yeah, whoever's around,
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Speaker 3: But always stay in public and that's the hierarchy that
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Speaker 3: we go with. And the last thing that we teach
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Speaker 3: our kids when it comes to strangers. And we've had
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Speaker 3: this actually happen to one of our kids.
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Speaker 1: Oh, don't bring that up.
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Speaker 2: If you ever feel unsafe, And I think the TV
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Speaker 2: show touched on that beautifully, that gut feeling. If there's
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Speaker 2: if your gut's telling you that you're not safe, find
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Speaker 2: another adult.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So we had one of our kids who was walking
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Speaker 3: home from the shops one time and she felt like
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Speaker 3: there was a car that was stalking her. She literally
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Speaker 3: she was like, I've seen that car. Now they're driving
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Speaker 3: slowly behind me. Now they've sped off, now they've come
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Speaker 3: back again. Like she was absolutely terrified, and so we
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Speaker 3: just said, if this happens, remember most strangers are safe.
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Speaker 3: So and in fact, she ran up the driveway of
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Speaker 3: somebody's house and just knocked on the door and that
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Speaker 3: car drove away. And we've told the kids even if
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Speaker 3: you go into the backyard, as long as there's no dogs, like,
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Speaker 3: just go and knock on someone's door if you feel unsafe.
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Speaker 2: Because it's interesting that day she had actually asked if
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Speaker 2: she could take a walk. This was going to be
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Speaker 2: literally the first time she had walked to the neighborhood
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Speaker 2: on her own and we had talked to her and
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Speaker 2: explained why we didn't feel comfortable with it, and she
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Speaker 2: was like, what's going to happen? Yeah, and literally had
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Speaker 2: that experience and came home and just looked at us
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Speaker 2: and went.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I get it. I'll do it every day.
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Speaker 3: Hey, we need to talk about keeping kids safe from
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Speaker 3: people who we should be able to love and trust. Actually,
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Speaker 3: just before we do, and this is gonna be the
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Speaker 3: world's longest podcast, so we need to keep it pretty
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Speaker 3: tight and move on. But I think there's a couple
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Speaker 3: of common sense rules that we need to teach our
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Speaker 3: kids about strangers outside of what we've just said.
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Speaker 1: First Off, if.
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Speaker 3: You're around people that you don't know, who are unfamiliar
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Speaker 3: to you, who are strangers and you don't feel safe,
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Speaker 3: just move away. And secondly, if a stranger promises you
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Speaker 3: stuff like lollies or games, or butterflies or lizards or
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Speaker 3: snake or whatever, puppy, just say no and move away.
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Speaker 1: Go get an adult. And the most important thing.
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Speaker 3: That we've actually practiced role lay in our living room
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Speaker 3: with our four big kids, is if a stranger or
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Speaker 3: an adult ever grabs you or touches you in a
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Speaker 3: way that makes you feel scared, literally, scream as loud
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Speaker 3: as you can stop it or help or don't touch me.
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Speaker 3: And then and just keep on screaming loud. And we've
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Speaker 3: got girls and they know how to scream, and we
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Speaker 3: practice in our living room. Mind you, the neighbors might
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Speaker 3: be concerned if you practice that too much. Anyway, Right
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Speaker 3: off the break, let's talk about how we can keep
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Speaker 3: our kids safe from people that they should be able
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Speaker 3: to trust.
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Speaker 2: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the time
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Speaker 2: poor parent who just wants answers now and today we
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Speaker 2: are having one of the most difficult conversations that we
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Speaker 2: need to have with our children around strangers.
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Speaker 3: We've had many conversations about stranger age, but we probably
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Speaker 3: have sort of had.
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Speaker 1: That sense of security because there's four.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about five things that we can talk to
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Speaker 2: our children about to I guess prepare them and help
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Speaker 2: them to stay safe when it comes to strangers. But
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Speaker 2: as you've shared justin, the statistics actually show that more
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Speaker 2: times than not, our children aren't hurt by strangers at all.
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Speaker 2: That it's actually people that are well known and trusted
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Speaker 2: to their families that are more times than not the
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Speaker 2: perpetrators in these children's lives. So how do we have
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Speaker 2: that conversation with our children. How do we help them
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Speaker 2: to be safe while still trust the beautiful people in
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Speaker 2: their lives because nine times out of ten they are Yeah,
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Speaker 2: just that.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just going to share five ideas.
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Speaker 3: We could talk about this, and we probably should do
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Speaker 3: an entire podcast on it, but let me just share
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Speaker 3: five ideas briefly. Number one, we teach our kids that
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Speaker 3: their body is mine, full stop, end of story.
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Speaker 1: Your body is yours.
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Speaker 3: And the second part of the second point, or the
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Speaker 3: extension of that, is that no one should ever ever
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Speaker 3: ever touch your body, especially private parts of your body.
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Speaker 3: Some people talk about the underwear rule so or the
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Speaker 3: swimmer rule. You know, the swimwear covers certain parts of
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Speaker 3: your body, and if that's covered, then nobody should be
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Speaker 3: touching that.
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Speaker 1: A lot of experts will also add.
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Speaker 3: The mouth to that part of the as another private
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Speaker 3: part of your body. Nobody should ever touch your mouth
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Speaker 3: because it's a it's an invasion.
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Speaker 1: Once again.
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Speaker 3: The third thing, and this kind of goes back to
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Speaker 3: what we said before the break, if anyone tries to
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Speaker 3: touch you without your consent or without permission, or because
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Speaker 3: you don't know them, scream and shout really loudly, stop, help,
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Speaker 3: don't touch me. Ah, Just scream and make a whole
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Speaker 3: lot of noise. The other two things that I really encourage,
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Speaker 3: and these are a little bit harder to talk about, but.
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Speaker 1: She they're important.
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Speaker 3: If a person ever tells your child to keep a secret,
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Speaker 3: particularly one that relates to private parts of their body.
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Speaker 2: And if they don't that something bad is going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, quite often they'll make a thread or something like that.
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Speaker 3: Our kids need to know that if that happens, that
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Speaker 3: the person who's saying that is wrong.
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Speaker 1: And we've got to just drill that into our kids.
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Speaker 3: If they say, don't tell anybody, it's wrong, especially if
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Speaker 3: there's been for any number of things, but especially if
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Speaker 3: there's been any any touching of those private parts of
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Speaker 3: the body, and absolutely, unquestionably, no matter what, tell Mum
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Speaker 3: or tell Dad, tell a safe person, tell it a
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Speaker 3: trusted adult immediately.
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Speaker 2: And I think in line with that though, as a parent,
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Speaker 2: we need to take seriously any report that our children
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Speaker 2: comes back to us with so that they know that
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Speaker 2: we are a safe place, that we will listen, that
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Speaker 2: we do trust them.
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Speaker 3: I remember somebody very very close to me described how
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Speaker 3: when she was a girl, there was a man who
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Speaker 3: was visiting her dad. They were friends from work, and
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Speaker 3: he made an inappropriate advance to her.
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Speaker 1: She was only young, very very young, and as soon
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Speaker 1: as the man.
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Speaker 3: Had left, she told her dad what had happened, which
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Speaker 3: I just think is so wonderful that she was actually like, Dad,
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Speaker 3: this is what happened to me. And fortunately she wasn't
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Speaker 3: harmed in this instance, but she was made to feel
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Speaker 3: extremely uncomfortable. She said, Dad, here's what happened. And he
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Speaker 3: just said he will never come into our home again,
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Speaker 3: and she said, I just felt so safe.
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Speaker 1: I felt so protected because of.
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Speaker 3: That, And I think it's such a great model, such
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Speaker 3: a perfect model of how we need to respond to
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Speaker 3: our kids.
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Speaker 1: If that ever happens, And what's the last one?
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Speaker 3: If a person says anything to you or does anything
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Speaker 3: to you, it kind of carries on from that story
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Speaker 3: that does anything to you you're your body, or says
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Speaker 3: anything to you that leaves you feeling bad or yucky
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Speaker 3: or guilty to your parents, even if you're scared, just
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Speaker 3: talk to your parents about it.
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Speaker 1: That's what our kids need to know.
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Speaker 2: So it's been a really really intense and heavy conversation today.
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Speaker 1: And we tried to keep freetings white.
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Speaker 2: And an informative, but I think that this was a
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Speaker 2: really important conversation today to have, and I hope that
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Speaker 2: we can continue the conversation with our children about this
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Speaker 2: so that we can safeguard them.
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Speaker 3: We're going to post a link to an article that
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Speaker 3: I wrote called keeping Our Children Safe from Child Abuse.
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Speaker 3: We'll post that in the show notes, and we'll also
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Speaker 3: put it on our Facebook page and social media so
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Speaker 3: that you can get access to that and.
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Speaker 1: Have it as a helpful reminder.
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Speaker 3: As a result of everything we've talked about, and there
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Speaker 3: are loads of other really great resources online, so please
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Speaker 3: do your research, have the conversations. I'm sure that last
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Speaker 3: night's parental Guidance episode will be a useful.
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Speaker 1: Prompt to encourage that to happen.
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Speaker 3: The Happy Family's podcast, as always, is produced by Justin
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Speaker 3: Ruland from Bridge Media.
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Speaker 1: Craig Bruce is our executive producer.
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Speaker 3: If you would like to get more information about how
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Speaker 3: to make your family, visit Happy families dot com dot
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Speaker 3: au and don't forget tonight one more episode this week,
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Speaker 3: Parental Guidance Episode three. I just so badly nearly spilled
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Speaker 3: the beans. I want to tell you it's it's going
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