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Football at Four: Taking Deep Dive On Playing Time for Eagles Rookies and New Vets · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Bosher from the Inside the Birds podcast is here.
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  Speaker 1: Draft week of course, in the books post draft now
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  Speaker 1: and a lot to discuss with Jeff on this Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: edition of Football at four on the Sports Bass Live
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven to three ESPN. And Jeff, I want to
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  Speaker 1: kind of get some thoughts on the guys that they
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  Speaker 1: brought in here. We were talking about this earlier today
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  Speaker 1: or yesterday about of this draft class. How many guys
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  Speaker 1: do you think will contribute Day one players from this
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  Speaker 1: group of.
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  Speaker 2: Guys Lemon for sure, stours for sure. You're you're saying contribute.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have to play like you know, seventy twelve.
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  Speaker 1: They might not have, they might not be you know,
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  Speaker 1: starters or whatever, but that they they basically have a
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  Speaker 1: role right right from Jump Street.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the top two for sure. I
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  Speaker 2: think with Mark Mark hil Bell possibly as the top
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  Speaker 2: depth interior offensive lineman, maybe if they cross train him there,
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  Speaker 2: maybe even the top I would have to think Fred
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  Speaker 2: Johnson will be the top ot U less Bell is
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  Speaker 2: really you know, knocking their socks off. So with the
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  Speaker 2: injuries Eagles have had on the old line, you would
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  Speaker 2: imagine that Bell will have an opportunity to get into
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  Speaker 2: play at some point unless they bird just have a
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  Speaker 2: clean bill of health there, so certainly the top three
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, I just I think they've got
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  Speaker 2: so much going on on learning the new offense that
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine a Taysom Hill roll for Cole Payton.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be something you're gonna see right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll work on it in training camp and
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  Speaker 2: you know, try to integrate it at some point. They
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  Speaker 2: probably won't show it in the preseason, but maybe maybe maybe,
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  Speaker 2: you know, depending on how the offense is going early on,
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  Speaker 2: you might see that. And did I miss anybody? I
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  Speaker 2: don't think anybody else after that, well, I guess they're
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  Speaker 2: in trouble. If like a Cole is new, you're a
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  Speaker 2: Terrence Nuby have to play immediately.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So that's I'm glad we started and went down that road.
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  Speaker 1: So we we both think Lemon will have a role,
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  Speaker 1: Probably Stours has somewhat of a role. The linemen only
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  Speaker 1: have a role if there's injuries likely, right, Uh, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, because I mean, yeah, Marklpel should not be starting
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  Speaker 2: over anybody on the current offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: And Michael Morris as well, Oh yeah, right, forgot it.
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  Speaker 1: And Cole Peyton obviously he might have a minor role
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  Speaker 1: if anything.
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  Speaker 3: Cole was Nowski. Let's talk about him a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Seventh round pick Marcus Epps, Andrew mccouba, Cole was Nooski.
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  Speaker 1: Do they go and trade for somebody or find another
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  Speaker 1: guy or do they want to wish Nooski to be
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  Speaker 1: to contend there?
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  Speaker 2: No, you never want a seventh round pick. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you want a seventh round pick to show that he's
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  Speaker 2: good enough to contend, but you do not want to
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  Speaker 2: be a championship team that says, oh boy, the best
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  Speaker 2: that we've got is a seventh round pick who has
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  Speaker 2: played like a seventh round pick.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Colenuski is six three, he's over two ten or
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  Speaker 2: around two ten, maybe more so. The issue with him
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  Speaker 2: is range. You know, as a as a safety. It
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  Speaker 2: was in college, and he's a little more fluid than
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  Speaker 2: people might think as far as backpedaling and coverage running
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  Speaker 2: with tight ends. But range is going to be an issue.
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  Speaker 2: And the Eagles are going to make a move here.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna either sign somebody right before the season, maybe
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  Speaker 2: they'll trade for somebody. The thing is you want to
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  Speaker 2: look at teams that just drafted safeties and see if
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  Speaker 2: they have a surplus. You know, the Browns are an example.
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  Speaker 2: They have del Pit, they have Hickman, they just drafted
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  Speaker 2: a safety.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Also, so maybe there's something that be worked out there.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's if Cole was Nuski is your
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  Speaker 2: starting safety. One of two things happened. One he was
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  Speaker 2: the most amazing thing Vic Fangrio has ever seen have
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  Speaker 2: a seventh rounder, which is not likely. Or two, the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles are in real trouble.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do with who are Bernard? How does
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  Speaker 3: that play out? Like? What do you do with that guy?
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  Speaker 1: Where you draft a guy, you take a shot on
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  Speaker 1: him because of his freakish measurables. I can't imagine he's
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  Speaker 1: on the fifty three active game day roster. Maybe if
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  Speaker 1: he just absolutely surprises everyone, this guy who's never played before.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you handle if you want to develop
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  Speaker 1: and keep him around?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, right now as we sit here to say,
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  Speaker 2: I see, you know just two paths. One is that
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't make the team and you bring him back
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  Speaker 2: on the practice squad. Two is that he makes the.
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  Speaker 1: Tell to somebody else. If you release him and try
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  Speaker 1: to put him on the practice squad, you're opening up
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  Speaker 1: someone else saying, well, we liked what with Philadelphia liked,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to take a shot. But they would
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  Speaker 1: have to put him on their active roster, right.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, right, they have to put him on their
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  Speaker 2: fifty three. And then the second is the Eagles stash
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  Speaker 2: him on their fifty three as a developmental guy, but
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  Speaker 2: he is inactive on game day. And that's where the
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  Speaker 2: new practice squad rules and the elevations and allowing veterans
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  Speaker 2: have really helped because you can supplement that roster spot
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  Speaker 2: that you're taking up with a total project, developmental guy
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  Speaker 2: with elevations from the practice squad of veterans.
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  Speaker 1: So he would be in there, and let's talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: because we did not talk about it on Monday, and
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  Speaker 1: that was my fault. But he is an edge guy
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  Speaker 1: or a tackle. They trade it for, obviously Jonathan Grenard,
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  Speaker 1: And we talked about the draft class in its totality,
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  Speaker 1: but we didn't talk about the trade they made on
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  Speaker 1: draft night, which was for Grenard. So I mean, they
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  Speaker 1: give him a third rounder this year and a third
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  Speaker 1: rounder next year. Then they signed him to this ninety
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  Speaker 1: eight million dollar extension. What do you make of Grenard
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  Speaker 1: and his fit and then what that means as compared
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  Speaker 1: to last year of Phillips. Are they a better unit
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  Speaker 1: now than they were last year?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's a very good question because it's not always
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  Speaker 2: apples to apples, despite what statistics say. Now, the positives are,
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  Speaker 2: Grenard has played in two really good defenses. He played
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  Speaker 2: in the Texans defense, then he went over to Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: and two years ago in a very good defense, a
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  Speaker 2: very good year. He's had multiple years of double digit sacks.
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  Speaker 2: He's a pro bowler, He's a really good edge defender.
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  Speaker 2: He would start for basically any team in the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: There's no question about it. All right, So those are
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  Speaker 2: the positives. And then on top of that, if you
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  Speaker 2: weren't able to trade for him, it would have sort
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  Speaker 2: of forced Howie Roseman to have to take an edge
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  Speaker 2: rusher sometime on day one or day two and maybe
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  Speaker 2: reach for compared to what the board said, so that
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have to do took care of it. Good
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  Speaker 2: for them, that's what you gotta do. The only question
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  Speaker 2: that I would have is Grenard's a little bit lighter
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  Speaker 2: than Phillips.
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  Speaker 3: Phillips.
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  Speaker 2: So now he's played again for two really good defensive
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  Speaker 2: coordinators Flores and and Demko Ryans, and I'm sure he's
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  Speaker 2: fine against the run, but they are a little lighter
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  Speaker 2: on the edges. The one of the good things about
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  Speaker 2: bringing Phillips was that he's a big guy, perfect sides
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  Speaker 2: for the position as a dual pass rusher run defender,
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  Speaker 2: and that was great, and also that he was experience
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  Speaker 2: in Vic Fangio's system. And the one question concerned, I
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  Speaker 2: guess very minor, is that, for whatever reason, there have
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  Speaker 2: been a couple of pretty good pass rushers to come
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  Speaker 2: to the Eagles who were succeeded elsewhere but did not
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  Speaker 2: fit into Vic Fangio's scheme. Or it's not if they
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  Speaker 2: didn't fit into a scheme or weren't productive enough to
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  Speaker 2: please Vic. You know, obviously Bryce Huff is the one
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  Speaker 2: that stands out, but there was also Ojulari and even
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  Speaker 2: Uce who came in here and looked like he was
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  Speaker 2: doing all right and then completely sat the bench once
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  Speaker 2: they made other moves. So if Vic doesn't see what
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  Speaker 2: he wants to see out of Grenard, he will not
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  Speaker 2: play him, and that would look bad for a guy
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  Speaker 2: making all that money who he just gave up the
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  Speaker 2: trade pave for. But this is what I would call
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  Speaker 2: the nightmare doomsday scenario.
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  Speaker 3: That's very unlikely that that's your Bryce Huff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just bring that up because we've seen
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  Speaker 2: some evidence of it. It's not apples the apples he
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  Speaker 2: unlike Bryce Huff, has experienced playing in the three four
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  Speaker 2: or like dropping in the coverage as well as rushing
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  Speaker 2: the passer. It shouldn't be an issue.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you know I said yesterday and and you
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  Speaker 1: know again, I can't believe we didn't have this conversation
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  Speaker 1: on Monday, but it gave us more to talk about today.
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  Speaker 1: Is that Grenard not as good against the run as
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  Speaker 1: Phillips was, but probably a better pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, just as good of a pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the Phillips I don't always measure in stats
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  Speaker 2: because he's been hurt.
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  Speaker 3: So much so Gernard too, by the way, Yeah, well Gernard.
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  Speaker 2: Was hurt last year, but and he did have a year.
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  Speaker 3: He's had some injury issues.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's certainly certainly both went healthy, are fairly productive.
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  Speaker 2: And then yeah, you could say that there's more sack
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  Speaker 2: evidence from Grenard. But again, like I thought Phillips was
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  Speaker 2: a really good two way.
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  Speaker 3: Type of.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree like that Phillips is probably a better
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  Speaker 1: more of a three down guy than Grenard would be.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Gernard will have to be a three he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna start, there's no question about it. But yeah, you just.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I question is is he a better run guy
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  Speaker 1: than Nolan Smith?
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  Speaker 3: And you were hoping the answer is yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point because Nolan Smith is actually
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  Speaker 2: shown to be after three years, I guess a little
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  Speaker 2: bit better, more tenacious of a run defender than he
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  Speaker 2: is a consistent.
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  Speaker 3: Pass hit from is just too damn small.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a problem so far. Yeah, yes, Now go
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  Speaker 2: ask Elton Jenkins and who's the other guard that he
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  Speaker 2: put out for a long time. He took put two
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  Speaker 2: guys out, you know, pulling guards because he knocked him
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  Speaker 2: on their keysters. So they wouldn't say he's small, but
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  Speaker 2: he his body is not held.
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  Speaker 3: Up all right.
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  Speaker 1: Got into this conversation this morning, Jeff Mosher football at four.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get yours. So, personnel wise, this defense
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  Speaker 1: had the ability to be better than last year's defense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't. Yeah, I mean that's tough. So from
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  Speaker 2: a talent pure talent standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Person for person, do you like the personnel on this
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  Speaker 1: defense better than last year's So it's weird.
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  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a give and take. So
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  Speaker 2: I just talked about the edge right where they're a
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  Speaker 2: little lighter but maybe a little faster. With Grenard, I
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  Speaker 2: would say at off ball linebacker, you're a little more athletic,
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  Speaker 2: assuming John Campbell comes back well from the shoulder surgery.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly where we went with this conversation was you're more athletic.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but you're lacking in a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: know how, an experience and a leadership that I didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize was going to make the difference that it did.
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  Speaker 2: When Nakobe Dan came back and by the way, he
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  Speaker 2: also played really well too, but part of that ability
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  Speaker 2: to play well was just knowing how to play the game.
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  Speaker 2: And man, when he came on a blitz on a
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  Speaker 2: simp pressure, he was on block while he was blowing
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  Speaker 2: up running backs and I'm not saying Campbell can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: And Campbell, I think ran better than na Kobe and
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  Speaker 2: will cover better. So there's the give and take and
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  Speaker 2: then the secondary remains to be seen. I think that
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  Speaker 2: there are you know, for as much as everybody piled
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  Speaker 2: myself included, piled on the Dory Jackson, you wound up
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  Speaker 2: holding that starting job down. I think riek Walland has
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  Speaker 2: a higher upside but has to show.
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  Speaker 1: It, right, Like when after week one against Dallas, which
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  Speaker 1: was abomination, when else were you like, man, that Jackson's
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  Speaker 1: killing me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there were a couple of a couple
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  Speaker 2: of passes in the Detroit game that I remember where.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, of course you're going up against aman Rose
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  Speaker 2: Brown and you're gonna have plays.
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  Speaker 3: Through the year.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not like week in and week out you
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  Speaker 1: kept saying, oh my god, a Dory Jackson again, Like
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  Speaker 1: who Nate Geary? Every week teams were going, let's go
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  Speaker 1: right after forty seven?
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  Speaker 2: Right, It was just like James Bradbury more recently for
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  Speaker 2: that position. Bradbury for the contract extension. Yeah it was bad.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think Greek Wollan has a higher upside
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  Speaker 2: and should be better. But then at safety, I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: tell you right now what's going on? You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you ended the season with Marcus Epps and Red Blankenship,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna start right now.
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  Speaker 3: We think they're gonna do something.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew mccuba and Marcus Epps, you're probably downgraded at safety.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna start the season with Marcus
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  Speaker 2: Epps at safety. I really don't.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, as you know, I said, we think they'll
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  Speaker 1: go outside. But right now you have mccuba and Epps.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when they brought Epps back here, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they anticipated they brought him.
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  Speaker 3: Back to start.
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  Speaker 2: No, they did not. He's a number three safety. And honestly,
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  Speaker 2: if you look go back and look at the forty
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  Speaker 2: nine Ers game, you know, I think not having mccuba
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  Speaker 2: and just being a little bit less athletic with Blanketship
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  Speaker 2: and Epps at safety really opened up the door for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of big plays by the forty nine Ers offense.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking with Jeff Mosher Inside the Birds the Inside
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  Speaker 1: the Birds podcast. You guys discussed the front office departures,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, this is every off season for the team,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Seem to really knock him off. Course.
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  Speaker 1: Teams keep plucking and they keep on, you know, winning
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  Speaker 1: the off seasons. By the pundits Anyway, at what point
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  Speaker 1: do these defections start to catch up to them?
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  Speaker 2: Right? And not all of these are plucking. Some guys
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  Speaker 2: are leaving on their own. Some guys are just not
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  Speaker 2: getting renewed. But in a micro not as big of
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  Speaker 2: a deal they seem to. You know how, he always
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  Speaker 2: does a good job replacing guys. Joe Douglas in next
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  Speaker 2: guy out. You know, I'm sure Joe Douglas will get
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more of a bump now that Alec
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  Speaker 2: Halliby is gone. And you know, Andrew Berry, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Berry, who's Andrew Berry's brother, who's been working in
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles front office for a couple of years. Now,
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  Speaker 2: high rising guy, he'll probably he's an analytics guy from
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  Speaker 2: Wall Street, so he probably can take over a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the analytics department work that Alec Halliby presided over.
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  Speaker 2: So you have Joe de doing personnel and Barry doing
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  Speaker 2: analytics and other things. So that's good, but obviously losing
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  Speaker 2: here's the bigger shoe. Since the end of last year's draft,
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  Speaker 2: there's been eight departures overall. Okay, and then I still
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  Speaker 2: am of the mindset just hearing things that there might
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  Speaker 2: be more guys not back. So it's one thing to
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  Speaker 2: rely and replace a guy here, a guy there. It's
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  Speaker 2: another when you down size the way the Eagles are downsizing.
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  Speaker 2: Losing eight is big and it's not like they're hiring
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  Speaker 2: eight other guys. Their their cash spend has been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit lower, and they're obviously their their money that
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  Speaker 2: they're putting into their scouting and department in front office
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  Speaker 2: has been a little bit lower. So at some point
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  Speaker 2: that catches up with you. And you know, losing Bryce
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  Speaker 2: Johnson on top of losing Jake Rosenberg last year, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: those were their top two salary cap guys. They do
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  Speaker 2: contracts in a different way than the rest of the league.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about that a lot. I'm sure they have
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  Speaker 2: someone who's who's familiar with it in their front office,
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  Speaker 2: but those are two real cutting edge kind of guys
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  Speaker 2: and those that's tough, and it also puts pressure on
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  Speaker 2: howie who could who left that work to them right
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  Speaker 2: to have to like maybe assume a bigger fingerprint there
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  Speaker 2: until he replenishes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, they have lost uh, person after person
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  Speaker 1: they've they you know, they've lost women too in these
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  Speaker 1: front office you know, moving.
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  Speaker 3: How many of them that have left have succeeded.
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  Speaker 2: How many of the people have left the Eagles have
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  Speaker 2: succeeded well. Ian Cunningham is now basically the number two
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  Speaker 2: to Matt Ryan and in Atlanta, so and then he
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  Speaker 2: was in Chicago before Atlanta, and Chicago has really built
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  Speaker 2: up nicely. I mean, they made the playoffs last year,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people like the way the Bears
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  Speaker 2: have developed their team. So I'm sure that's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's a feather in the cap. I don't It's hard
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  Speaker 2: to quant it. Like Jake Rosenberg has now started up
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  Speaker 2: his own business and he's helping college the college football
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  Speaker 2: athletics kind of navigate this world of Nil and Mark
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  Speaker 2: in business oriented things. So I'm sure he's doing well.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of something that we won't know for I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Dave Caldwell was a trusted, confidentt for Howie. He's now
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  Speaker 2: the general manager of University of Florida football. That's a
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  Speaker 2: job he took in the middle of last year. So
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  Speaker 2: that's a good job. I would say that's a successful,
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  Speaker 2: good thing for Florida. I will see, but we have
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  Speaker 2: to see how Florida does in next year or two.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, it seems that they keep losing
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: front office people. They keep powering through and you're not like,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: oh man, look what that guy or girl did in
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: their new role. You mentioned the Bears, but Cunningham's not
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: even there anymore.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Right, he got Yeah, he's now in charge of Well,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: he's the number two to Matt Ryan in Atlanta.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Right, Joe Douglas went to the Jets. He's now back here.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to Catherine Raach went to
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Cleveland and Andrew Berry right, yeah, yeah, just you're wondering,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: at what point does this all to them? And that
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: how he just you know, it's like a coach when
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: he starts to lose his assistant coaches. We do usually
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: see how that we see it with Nick right now. Right,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: They're constantly going through coaches. You wonder where that will
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: start to catch up to the front office.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I think it will at some point. I mean,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you hope not, and maybe it won't. Maybe they've got
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: contingency plans. So there was a long time ago where
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the Eagles had such a large scouting department that it
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: was almost like comical. At one point, we used to
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: joke about this on the podcast. They had a director
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of college scouting, an assistant director of college scouting, and
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: a senior director of college scouting. Okay, that's that's really
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you know, probably wasn't necessary, but again, don't read anything
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: into titles. Some of that is just to give a
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: guy a paycheck and a bump and a boost. You
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: got to give him a nice title, all right. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: they clearly now have gone the other end where they
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: have a much smaller scouting department than they used to have.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: And we'll see if that has an I don't know.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, guess what we you know, you know
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: that the entire league is it usually comes here, right,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: everybody comes to Philadelphia and tries to take people from
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the front office.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So we'll see how how he moves on.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: But by most accounts, many people think that Howie Roseman
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: again won the off season, even though we're.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Talking about a draft class.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Now, when you look at a draft class, Jeft, do
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you include Grenard and Wis as part of that?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't like sit around in great draft classes anyway, so.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: You know y grading them.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about looking at the draft as a whole,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: like if you trade a fifth rounder for Wicks and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a third rounder for Grenard. You include that in how
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: they handled the draft and what they did to improve Sure, sure,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I look.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: At it as your total off season maneuverings. Did each
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: move make sense? Did you get good value for what
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: you're getting? You have to pay Grenard is worth? Is
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Grenard worth two third round picks? I think it's a
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: fair question, especially if he was on the way out
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: of Minnesota and you had to redo his contract and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: pay him more money. Excuse me, but when you put
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it into everything is context, everything is perspective. You also
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: are getting a third round pick next year for losing
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips. You know, to me, that's fine, It's not
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: bad business. I will yell to the cows come home
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that one of the worst business moves was giving up
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a third round pick for Johan Dotson. I thought it
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: was awful then, I think it's awful now. I don't
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: care that they won a Super Bowl and then he
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: made two catches. I feel like anybody they could have
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: signed off the street could have given him the twelve
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: catches or whatever that Jahan dotts It was one of
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the rare, in my opinion, bad reactionary moves to how
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: he has made over the last few years. That doesn't
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: mean I think he's bad. You know, you have to
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: like over explain everything because people want to jump down
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: your throat. But that was bad value.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Ye No, I remember you saying that at the day
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: of the draft, saying you thought they the trade, that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: they gave up too much. I recall that vividly because
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: most people, You're right, our third rounter for Thonson, he
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: was a first round pick, and Washington doesn't know what
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to do with him. They'll they know exactly what.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: To do with them. They never figured out what to do.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: With them exactly. I had, I had painful like PSTD
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: from when they traded a second round pick for Doyol
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Green Beckham and I had. I was in sports radio
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and Philly at the time, arguing with fans for five
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: hours and why that was the worst trade I'd seen
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: in a long time. But no, the Titans are dumb
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: and the Eagles are smarter than everybody, and DGB was
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: going to be a star. Now, it doesn't usually work
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that way, So I'm I'm just bringing that point up
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to say you have to evaluate every move with the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: proper context. I understand the two third rounders for Grenard
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: based on what the Eagles needed, what they had, and
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: what they're going to be getting in future compensation. Pick
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: by they're basically getting a third round pick back for
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: losing Phillips, who they're replacing with Grenard. So to me,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: it all makes sense.
• 20:59
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• 21:07
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• 21:13
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• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Don't do that to me, Mike. I have a late
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: spring and a summer. I want to you do this
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: to me every year, man, I know I'm locked into
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: the Flyers, to the Phillies, turnaround to the Sixers. Well,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I don't have as much face as the Sixers, but
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It's so bad, Like the Sixers win last night, they
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: come home and people are like, I really have to
• 21:32
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• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Like all you need to know and I'm sure you've
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: said this right. You could do a whole show about this.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Joel Embiid super Max extension doesn't even kick in until
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: next year. Right like it doesn't even it's just so
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: hard to see a brighter future with these contract albatrosses.
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