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TABLE TALK: The Importance Of Sports Photography · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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Hey, everybody, it's Jeff. We wanted to let you know we recorded
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this podcast episode on Friday, January nineteenth, twenty twenty four. By the
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time you hear this, some things may have changed here or there, not
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necessarily within the topics we're going to be discussing, but if it does,
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we hope you enjoy the show. All right, everybody, welcome to Table
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Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly
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sports podcast show in the world, that's right over ten and a half years
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strong. Hope your twenty twenty four is going well. Twenty twenty four is
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going pretty well for me right now. Very much appreciate being in your ears,
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and we hope you enjoy this Table Talk interview. This week, we're
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stepping outside the box of the world of Philly sports and we're getting into a
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subject matter that we have discussed on this podcast platform in the past. In
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fact, the guests that we are gonna be talking to in just a minute,
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she's been on before. And I really wanted to kind of again just
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step outside the box of the world of actually talking about sports and talk about
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something that I'm very passionate about in terms of content creation and the artistic world
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and how it correlates with sports, and that is photojournalism, sports photography and
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what it actually means to us sports fans as we read articles online, as
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we actually see the visual of what sports is, and photojournalism from the sports
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photography side of things really really is something that's in our face a lot that
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we don't necessarily realize. So anyway, I'm gonna stop talking right now because
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I want to get to our guest this week. She's fantastic. Like I
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said, we've had her on before it let's get right to it. It
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is great right having her back on the podcast. As I said in the
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intro, there you know it's it's it's interesting to talk about this particular subject
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matter for me as a content creator outside of this podcast as well, but
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to really talk about sports photography photo journalism, we wanted to bring back a
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lady who used to be behind the glass for the Philadelphia Flyers taking great shots
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of that team, and she has since moved on to Phoenix, Arizona taking
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great shots on the court. Now for the Phoenix Suns and Mercury, we've
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got the one and only Kate Freeze. How you doing Kate. Hey,
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Jeff, it's great to be back. It's nice to talk to people from
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back home always, as you know, been out here two years and I'm
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still homesick and trying to shake that. So it's nice. It's nice to
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connect with people from back home when I can. Well, thank you for
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jumping on. Do you miss being Do you miss being behind the glass at
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the Wells Fargo Center? Yeah? I really do miss Philadelphia. Coming out
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here was one of those tough decisions where I knew I was giving up everything,
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you know that I love to come here and kind of like chase my
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dreams and pursue, you know, a career change and things like that that
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I hope will grow and maybe even bring me back to Philly someday, who
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knows. But I miss Philadelphia. I miss the teams, I miss the
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fans, I miss the food, everything all the above. Well, we
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definitely miss seeing you at the Wells Fargo Center every now and again, for
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sure, And I do miss those shots of this Flyers team. But I
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love your I love your sports photography and I always have, and I think
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it's such an underrated aspect of sports in general. When you talk about photojournalism
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or when people try to understand photojournalism. Actually, the fact of the matter
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is, I don't think a lot of people take the time to understand photojournalism,
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sports photography and what it means to the sports world that we all love
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so much. And you know, the last time we talked, right before
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your move to Arizona, you'd been doing a ton of sports photography and photojournalism
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the Philly sports market for many years, as we've mentioned, And I'm wondering,
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like, since your move to Arizona here, you know, I'm wondering
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if you can get into the differences between the Philly sports market and the Arizona
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market in terms of the fan basis. I'd really like to get your opinion
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on that. Yeah, I mean, it's it's one of those things where
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I think it's like a definite like bias, like being like where I grew
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up my family, being from you know, Philly and the Philly area,
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being a diehard Philly fan that is like my first love. And it's kind
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of like it's interesting coming to a different market because I think I haven't been
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giving like Phoenix fans enough of like credit and like enough because I'm just like
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I love I know who I am at heart, and nothing can compare to
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Philly fans, and I think you just have to kind of reframe it in
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the way that every fan base kind of has their own thing about them,
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and it's about your own personality and like where you kind of fit in with
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that. For me, I have like a tougher personality and I'm a little
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bit blunt and crass sometimes, so I fit in with like the Philly crowds.
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So coming out here to Phoenix where everyone is just so kind and welcoming
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and like West Coast versus East Coast vibe, it was. It's different,
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but they're kind of like unique and great in their own way, and there's
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definite egal passion. I think one thing that I can identify with Phoenix fans
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is the frustration and lack of sports titles and championships and things like that,
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and long droughts between them. I think that like Phoenix and Philadelphia, people
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can kind of relate with each other and connect on that, so you can
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come yeah exactly, it's like united suffering. Yeah I like to put it,
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but that just makes them passionate in their own kind of way. Like
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you know, when the Diamondbacks like went to the World Series and just seeing
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the city light up and and things like that, you kind of felt like
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a little glimpse of like Philly. And I mean you can't can't compare it
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to like their intensity with it, but you see their expression and their own
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way of excitement when they finally, you know, get to a championship.
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But of course they didn't win, So I know how that feels, you
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know, after last Eagles season, and I wasn't at the game when it
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was here, but watching it in town was just like, well, I
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know how like everyone feel. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely well,
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I mean just talking about the fan base too. I kind of wanted to
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like shift like from an athlete standpoint too, like this before we get into
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sports photography and things like that, because I'm I'm genuinely interested. I remember
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one of the last conversations we had where we actually, you know, got
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into some of the Flyers players that you used to you know, be around
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a lot, you know, and being you know, in the hallways and
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being outside the locker room and things like that. You know, you get
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to know certain players and certain athletes, and I'm wondering if you can share
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your thoughts on maybe some of the athletes you don't have to like name them
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or anything like that, but who are playing out there in Arizona, Because
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so often I've heard that athletes playing in certain cities will use the phrase,
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you know, you know so and so and so and so city is not
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like Philadelphia at all. You know, we hear that a lot our professional
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athletes. Attitudes and even demeanor that much different in Philly than in Arizona.
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Do you think, and if so, how Yeah? I think it's I
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think what it comes down to is the athlete and their personality and where kind
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of that fits with what city they're in. I mean, you have to
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think about, like what better city for a player like Bryce Harper than to
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be. And I feel like he's really kind of, like, you know,
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made Philly his home and his personality. He's really he can be feisty,
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so he fits with that kind of crowd. And that can be said
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about so many other different athletes in the Philly area, and I think that
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also speaks to Phoenix. I know that there have been players on the Suns
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that have been traded to other markets and they like catching up with them when
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they're back in town with their team that they were traded to. They said,
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Man, I really like the fans, you know, in my new
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market, but like I really like Phoenix was home to me, and I
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love the fans out here because you know, yeah, it just worked for
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who they were as people, and I think that it I never really kind
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of realized until I was very close with Sons players when they got traded and
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seeing how everything changed for them when they got traded, that players do kind
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of they feed off of fans at the end of the day. I mean,
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they're there to play a game and everything, but like as a whole
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encompensing like being part of a city, their interaction with fans is really important
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and it affects them more than you think it would. I learned that definitely
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with some players that like are struggling connect in their new market where they were
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like fan favorites here. You know, I think it's about finding kind of
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what works for you. For me, you know, I love Philly fans
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of them and I really fit in there, and here it's like everyone's been
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really welcoming here, but it's just like it's a different kind of passion.
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So I'm still finding a way to kind of connect with Phoenix out here,
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and I think it's the same with athletes. You know, you just got
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to go. You have to hopefully land in a city with fans that you
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vibe with. It's it's a personality thing. And I think what's interesting too
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is we're getting ready to segue into some sports photography. Is like I can
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actually tell, you know, when I'm on Threads and I'm looking at some
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of the photos that you will post, you can tell that there are certain
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athletes out there that are connecting with the fan base. And that's what I
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love about sports photography and photojournalism is that you are able to make a connection
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with whatever is in the picture and whatever the picture and photo is trying to
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portray. So I really want to start going down this road here of sports
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photography with you because I think that for people, you know, when we
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have these things here and I'm holding up my iPhone, folks as I'm talking
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to Kate here, like everybody thinks they're a photographer now, you know,
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and these devices they really do provide us some sort of insight into the world
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of photography, but it doesn't make everybody photographers out there for sure. So
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I'm wondering, you know, if people want to get started in sports photography
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outside of the confines you know, of their iPhone or whatever, say they
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you know, say they want to capture moments at their kids soccer games or
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a middle school basketball game. What kind of tips can you actually give them
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as they're learning on the fly to really help capture these moments of connection?
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What are your thoughts? Right? Yeah, I know it's like if you
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have like zero experience with a camera that it can be really daunting because there's
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all these buttons and dolls and on these menu settings that you're just like,
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what the heck do each of these do? Right? And this is where
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I'm like, you know, I'm not always an advocate for auto set actually,
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just like you know, I had a whole thread argument with people I
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had to delete it because I was just like sucking my energy where like these
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people in professional settings that are like, you know, season photographers using auto
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settings, I was like, you should be better than that. You should
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know how to set your own camera. And but it's one of those things
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like when you're learning, like use auto to kind of give you like a
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or like shutter priority is what I say for sports to kind of give you
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a good starting point. So you're gonna put your camera into the S mode,
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which is for shutter priority, and set your shutter speed at around like
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I say, one one thousand for most sports is a good starting point.
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And also depending on the speed of the sport, you can adjust it.
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You know, if it's just Little League, you can probably bump it down
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to like one five hundredth because they're not like running as fast as you know,
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an MLB player. But start there and then just like like take the
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picture and then look at your settings and see, you know, what it
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gave you for aperture and ISO, and then go from there and then actually
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pop the camera into manual, plug those settings in, and then just accordingly,
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you know, I would always keep like your shutter speed relatively the same,
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but then you're going to adjust your aperture and your ISO. You know,
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the picture needs to be brightened or dark and to like you know,
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to kind of sum it down. And then that's where you're going to really
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start to understand how each of those components shutter, aperture, and ISO are
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going to affect your image. Yea, and same co be said for about
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almost any setting, like white balance or things like that, like auto could
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be okay, but also like feel free to mess with the settings with like
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creating a custom white balance or for daylight if you're outside, or shade or
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like, you know, kind of like using that that auto feature as a
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starting point and then just like teach yourself on the fly. But it's a
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good thing to start out with, and it's okay to start out on shutter
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priority or auto when you're starting out. Absolutely, there's no perfect way to
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take a photo, folks, There's no perfect way to do it. You
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have to learn. As somebody who is a videographer on the side for many
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years now, I'm still learning as I am going along. I certainly know
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what type of settings I like, I know what I like my camera to
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do, and when I wanted to do certain things, but I'm constantly learning
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on the fly. So as we're moving along here, Kate, you know,
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diving into sports photography, I recently read a post on Threads from you,
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because I know, I know you've kind of like really gotten into Threads
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and I love reading your stuff over there and looking at what you post as
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well. But like I said, I've read a recent post from you about
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how you didn't have the latest and greatest camera equipment and that people shouldn't be
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ashamed to use whatever they can afford at the moment to actually create their setups.
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And again, you know, I loved this as a videographer. If
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you don't have the latest lens or camera body, what message can you give
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people to kind of keep their perspective on what's important about their photography work and
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what they're trying to capture? Right? Yeah, I mean, like throughout
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my whole career, like I've had to invest in my own gear, and
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I'm not made of money here, so I had to kind of find thrifty
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ways to go about buying my gear. And it's still the same even though,
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like I worked for the NBA, I had to invest in like even
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more gear than I had because I'm doing new things like shooting on strobes or
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setting up remote So it was just a very kind of like scary thing.
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And you look at some of these price points and you're just like, ye,
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holy crap, how can I afford to do that? It's it's insane,
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Like I love this on one to go on a little tangent, this
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one TikTok thread that said, put on like your most like you know,
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expensive outfit to come like meet my parents for the first time, and like
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mine would be my game day setup with like my camera strapped to my body.
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I was like my most expensive accessories. It's not my purses, it's
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my camera gear. Yep. But what I always say is just kind of
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like you know, depending nikon, you know, Cannon is be away of
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new releases for like cameras or lenses and get the one previous once the new
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ones released, because what a lot of people are doing is like the ones
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that can afford the latest and greatest are selling their old gear to put towards
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buying a new body or a lens. So kind of like you know,
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for me, like I use a D five, you know for my one
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second body, and like that's like outdated, that's an older body. Yeah,
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just so folks know, that's like an older body. I mean,
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I know, I know a little bit about cameras. Of course that's an
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older body, but my gosh, it's still serving you well, yeah,
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absolutely, And it's just like you have to kind of work with what you
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got. And I tell people if they're on a budget and have to pick
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between a cam a new camera body and a new lens. Is I always
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kind of err on the side of having a good lens before like the latest
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and greatest camera body, because if you're gonna have a faster lens, the
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pictures on your older body are gonna look better as opposed to like vice versa,
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with a newer body and an older lens. You know, you can
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kind of save money that way. And there's really great like camera dealers that
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sell used gear and like you know, even when you're buying used, like
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you don't have to have something in excellent quality. You can do something that's
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like new or just in good quality. You know that's like it's not And
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there are a lot of these websites are really honest with like the function of
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the lenses that they're going to tell you, hey, there's a scratch on
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the lens, but we've tested it and it doesn't affect photo quality, so
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screw it, But get that lens if you're gonna save you know, a
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few hundred dollars, Like it's it may not be the prettiest or maybe scuffs
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on your lens, but you know, at the end of the day,
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who cares if your pictures look good, is like my argument. So and
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if honestly, if you can become a good photographer shooting on like less than
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ideal gear, it's gonna make you better in the long room, because that's
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what I did. I started out using a kit camera when I started with
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the Flyers, like literally something you can get a best buy, and that's
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what I could afford. And then as time went on, I got some
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better gear, but I made it work for me for years, and I'm
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still doing it that way, like unless I can like charm nikon into giving
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me a deal, you know, like answering me, like that's just that's
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just how it is, and work with what you've got and you know,
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just do the best you can with it. I love that message, I
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really do, because there are times when I'm taking like photos in general,
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when I don't when I don't want to use the phone or anything like that
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for family events or things like that, whatever the case is, and I'll
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bust out my cannon freaking Rebel T six, which is like ten years old
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at this point, you know, but I am comfortable with it of course
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because it is old, but I still get I get still capture some really
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great shots and some moments with it because I mean, because I know what
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I'm doing with it. But you don't always have to have the latest and
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greatest, folks, great great tips from Kate there, Kate, I know
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your website. Your website still up Katefreeze dot com. Correct, yep,
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all right. I just wanted to throw that out there for folks, Katefreeze
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dot com. And where can folks find you on social media? I know
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some of us we've kind of been, you know, we've been navigating the
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waters a little bit more and treading a little more lightly on the social sphere.
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So I've been on threads. I'm kind of getting back into the Twitter
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X a little bit here and there. So what do you Where do you
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want folks to follow you at out there on the interwebs? Yeah? What
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I'm I have like an account on everything, but I don't post on everything.
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I don't I don't have a time a day or the energy for that
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I like to do it. I've kind of steered away from Twitter. I
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refuse to call it X or whatever the don'ts Twitter. I know, I
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really kind of steered away from that because I was just getting a lot of
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negativity there The only time I really ever post on Twitter is when I'm talking
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about Philly sports because a lot of my following still is my people back from
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Philly. So I'll chime in and be talking about how like I sobbed during
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the game when you know, plus Eagles game with Jason Kelcey on the sideline,
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it's like, I'm right there with your friends. We're all hurting right
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now. And Instagram is where you can see a lot of my photography threads.
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I kind of wanted to take a different approach because I wanted to not
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have it be like Twitter two point zero for me. I wanted it to
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be a place where I'm going to be candid. I do have to kind
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of, like, you know, watch a little bit of what I say
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because I think the league does, like NBA does, look at my social
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so I can't go fully like unhinge like I would like to. But it's
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a little more. It's me being really candid. It's me talking about my
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interests outside of photography, you know, And that's where I feel like you're
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going to get more of, like my real personality is on is on threads.
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I'm really trying trying to get myself to do TikTok more. I have
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some stuff that I'm planning right now so people that's going to be I think
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more behind the scenes kind of stuff which I know people want to see or
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just talking about, like you know, my job and everything like that.
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So but those I am on everything, But I say Instagram and breads are
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the most what I'm most active on. Search out Kate Freeze, f R
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E s E folks. She is a great, great follow on these social
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sites and you're gonna enjoy the content for sure. And I mean, as
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the online world has certainly changed a number of industries for the better and for
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the worse, I mean, it's certainly changed in terms of photography. I've
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seen a number of your posts over the years, Kate, and I've seen
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a number of other sports photographers in their posts too, you know, talking
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about you know, people stealing their content their art is essentially So I mean,
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I'm wondering how has photojournalism from an online perspective really changed for you over
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the past few years, and how you've kind of adapted with it, because
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I know we talked about this as well the last time that you were on
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this podcast a little while ago, but how have you kind of adapt to
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do where sports photography has kind of gone online with what you've had to deal
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with. Yeah, I think a lot of this, which is that's a
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really great question. I think a lot of this actually is reflective of my
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new role. So previously I was just like a member of the media.
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I was a lot more like kind of fan centric and things like that,
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and my images only had a certain kind of reach to them as as far
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as how kind of far out that they got. Now, working for like
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as an NBA photographer for the league, I have my post. I'm also
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like a Getty contributor through that, so I have a much wider range of
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where my photos can end up. And that just means less people that tag
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me like a lot of like you know, like Land Magazine uses my stuff,
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like you know, they've done that recently, and I mean the teams
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will use my stuff. And it's just kind of one of those things that
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I've had to reframe my mind where I'm like infuriated. I'm just like,
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please just give me a tag or a credit in the comments, and that
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just doesn't happen when I'm on this level and that I have to really more
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actively search and seek out to see where my images are being used because I'm
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not getting tagged, and it bothered me at first. I've kind of like
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become like at a better place with that that you know, I'm just at
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the level where I'm not going to get that. Unfortunately, you would think
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it'd be the opposite way where I would get more respect, but I don't.
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I do have at least a lot of like the fashion kind of side
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of things. They're a little bit better, so like League fits will tag
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me. They're really great, NBA fashion Fits, pro trending, all these
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different like that. People that love my arrivals, they're a lot better about
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tagging me, which thank you guys for that. I really appreciate it.
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I know that it's it's a mutual thing where I provide pictures and they tag
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me, and I love that. But it's it's one of those things that
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it's like you don't realize just a simple tag and a picture you can create
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work for a photographer. That might be you know, like for me struggling
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to get clients in a new city, all it could it could lead to
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a new work for me where it takes you five seconds. You could be
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helping a creative out. So it's one of those things that I hate to
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say it, but if you're like, if I notice that you're good at
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tagging photographers and that you're good at giving credit, I'm going to be more
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inclined to work with you and once to provide pictures and have like a mutual
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kind of like back and forth exchange where if I'm like hunting down like you
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know, clothing brand that I'm like, hey, you're profit you're literally selling
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stuff based on an image that of mine. At least give me a tag
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because like you're probably profiting and selling more stuff because people are seeing pro athletes
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wearing your clothing and it's it's frustrating and it's a constant battle. But you
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know, at the end of the day, I've been really kind of focusing
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on making sure my energy is put in the right places and that's like creating
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my art instead of fighting people, you know, for a tag. But
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you know, I have I have a list up here the people that are
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good about tagging me, and you know they're gonna get top priority and more
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more from me. I love that answer. I think it's great. And
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you used a word in that answer in that discussion point, which is respect
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and respect is something that I think a lot of content creators, professional creators
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just don't get a lot of I think there's this, there's this, this,
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this gnomer out there that those of us that create content, oh it's
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just easy. They continue to do it. They're churning out all this stuff.
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Takes a lot of work, folks, it really does. And to
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give content creators and artists some sort of respect is it can really go a
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long way. It can really go a long way in the end. So
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Kate to close us out here, and I have I have to ask you
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this question I have in the past as well as a fellow creator, and
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I'm gonna ask it again here. What has photography and the artistic form of
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what you do? What does it what does it continue to symbolize for you
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personally, like within your industry? What are your thoughts? Yeah, I
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mean it's it's always been about self expression and kind of finding a way to
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show how I see sports and how I see the world. I mean,
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for me, it comes from, like you know, being very rooted as
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a very emotional person. I love to create those emotional images and kind of
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find ways to bring out different parts of the sport that like I may see
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that not everyone does. And since I have the access that I do,
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I can really like tell an interesting story and to just really give people like
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an insight and just like what it's like, you know, being courtside at
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these games, you know, and this little stuff that like I notice that's
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not going to be shown on TV because it's in a time out, you
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know, Like little things like that that like the average person, unless you're
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sitting courtside right behind me, are not going to see. And but for
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me, it really is about self expression and always being a very creative person
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growing up, always loving writing and music, and it's just like another tool
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for me to express myself and kind of like you know, get my feelings
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and emotions out. So it's a really nice kind of creative outlet for me.
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Yeah, Kate Freeze, Kate Freeze photo or Kate Free's photo? That
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was? That was? That's your Instagram? Isn't it? Is that your
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Instagram? Kate Freeze photo. I think it's just Kate Freeze. Now I've
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dropped the photoh okay, I have no idea why they just came to my
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brain. Oh my gosh, I can't believe that just came to my brain
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here anyway, Oh yeah, yoie, folks, Kate Freeze. Check her
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out on Instagram and everything she has got going on the interwebs and uh,
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wherever you're listening to this, she's a fantastic photographer. Reach out to her.
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Kate, it was great talking to you. Let's talk at some of
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the point down the road, we'll talk more photo journalism and sports photography.
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I would love to have you back on the show, my friend. Oh,
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anytime I will. I will always come on your show, Jeff.
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I enjoy speaking to you. So I'm glad that we've been able to keep
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our connection over the years, even though I'm across the country now. So
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yeah, I'm sending Philly all my love. Know that I'm still one of
27:07
you and like you know, at the end of the day, I'm still
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a diehard fan. So thank you Jeff for having me. I always love
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talking to Kate really at the end of the day, and you know,
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just to pull back the curtain a little bit, you know, after we
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had got done talking, I told her her passion for what she does,
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you know, it's it really is amazing to see and you can actually see
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it within the shots that she takes. And sometimes it may be difficult to
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describe that and what that means in an artistic form and get, you know,
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folks to kind of understand that. But she definitely is passionate, and
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I think a lot of that came through in our discussion. I hope it
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did. So again, I wanted to take our Table Talk discussion this week
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in a little bit of a different direction. I think sports photography is very
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important for all of us who love the world of sports. So it's gonna
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