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Patriots Unfiltered 10/23: Browns Preview, Mike Onwenu In-Studio, Week 8 League Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: They're picking in the bottom fourteen somewhere, so they picking
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  Speaker 4: the second half of the round. That that's what we're
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  Speaker 4: talking about. Nine and eight. You said that was the
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  Speaker 4: biggest difference for the Detroit or that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Eight does get you in the top handers? Who picked
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  Speaker 4: what twenty eighth, twenty ninth in the first round.
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  Speaker 5: You can't just draft at the bottom of the first
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  Speaker 5: round and expect to find the pillars of your organization
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  Speaker 5: down there. That's not how going to happen. Like I
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  Speaker 5: look at this stuff every single year, like for six months.
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  Speaker 5: You're not going to just find, you know, Penny sewel
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  Speaker 5: at thirty two overall, Like, that's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: We have just did a Belichick and you're leaving fourth
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  Speaker 4: and one.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna walk to the press coverage is mumbling to himself, muttering.
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  Speaker 3: Justin writes in Evan's gonna go home tonight, walk in
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  Speaker 3: with his arms crossed and comically PLoP on his couch
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  Speaker 3: at frustration. Jess is gonna ask him bad day at work,
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  Speaker 3: and Evan's gonna mutter pull doesn't no ball? It makes
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  Speaker 3: me mad, doesn't He doesn't respect the draft.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: That's fat.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium, and uh, it's always a big day
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  Speaker 3: for us. It's Evan, it's Paul, me, Deuce, Alex on
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  Speaker 3: the panel, Matt in the booth, and we're talking Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 3: I think we talked extensively about them yesterday. Uh you know, Uh,
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  Speaker 3: we'll continue talking about them today. Evan's back you okay, No, no,
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  Speaker 3: we had a lot of reaction to that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you do. When I wasn't here to defend
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  Speaker 5: my honor, merged your honor?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, were killing you? You know because after the
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  Speaker 3: live shooting, people watch, understand, and so we get a
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  Speaker 3: lot of reactions show and a lot of emails wondering
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  Speaker 3: about your wellness.
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  Speaker 5: Well I did. That's my job is to incite what feedback.
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  Speaker 3: So it was all a work.
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  Speaker 5: No, it wasn't a work, okay, but you know, like
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  Speaker 5: if good radio means that we we got people listening,
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  Speaker 5: we got people reacted.
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  Speaker 3: It's great.
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  Speaker 7: This is why Christian La adds a lot to the
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  Speaker 7: show for all the people.
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  Speaker 3: That I wouldn't say that he started it.
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  Speaker 8: No, but that email that was just read in the
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  Speaker 8: intro about Evan going home like to Jess later that
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  Speaker 8: night is funny because I was in the Verable press
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  Speaker 8: conference and listening into the show and Evan sat down
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  Speaker 8: next to me.
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  Speaker 7: And that's kind of how the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: We just are good.
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  Speaker 5: We just are gonna draft at the bottom of the
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  Speaker 5: draft every year, and we're going to find star players somehow.
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  Speaker 5: With Tom Brady already here.
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  Speaker 4: I say, I will absolutely sign up to be drafting
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  Speaker 4: at the bottom of the round every year. I will
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  Speaker 4: sign up for that now for the next ten years.
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  Speaker 4: Right means correct, I will take down How do you
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  Speaker 4: get good?
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  Speaker 1: You already are if you're drafting to come out of.
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  Speaker 3: The All right, never mind.
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  Speaker 4: The underrated thing is this was more fred Evan Paul.
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  Speaker 5: Who would you rather be for the next five years?
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  Speaker 5: The Patriots are the Commanders right now the Patriots enough said.
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  Speaker 1: Just because, well what is that?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's very similar.
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  Speaker 3: They both drafted at the top, so they both like they.
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  Speaker 4: Hit on the quarterback. So now it's like, what do
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  Speaker 4: you do? What do you do now?
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  Speaker 5: In the Patriots then again drafted at the top. Again,
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  Speaker 5: the Commanders went to the NFC Championship game on fools old,
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  Speaker 5: and now the Patriots have Will Campbell on their roster
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  Speaker 5: as a result. This is all I was saying. I
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  Speaker 5: want to build a sustainable winner. I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: be a flash in the pan, like you want to
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  Speaker 5: go hang an NFC Championship runner up?
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  Speaker 3: So how long and watch it? How long? How long?
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  Speaker 3: How long do you have to be have a losing
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  Speaker 3: record in your in your mind.
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  Speaker 5: The Patriots did it? They long they are need to
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  Speaker 5: be a loser. I don't know, two three years and
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  Speaker 5: then what keep drafting and draft?
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  Speaker 3: Well, right, but after those two or three years, what happens?
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  Speaker 5: You have a sustained foundation that you can build up.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so you can build that foundation in two or
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  Speaker 3: three years.
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  Speaker 5: I think so. I mean, I don't know if the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots did it on purpose. I'm trying to give the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots credit. Like I'm trying to say they did it right,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't know if they did it right on purpose.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't trying to lose. A lot of people wish
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  Speaker 3: they were two years ago, two years ago. Last year,
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  Speaker 3: I should.
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  Speaker 4: Say with you, friend, I don't don't think they lost
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  Speaker 4: on purpose.
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  Speaker 5: Like I don't think they lost on purpose. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think any organization from the coach down, truly.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be I don't want to like
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  Speaker 3: snob you, but you don't sound like someone who played
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  Speaker 3: really competitive sports. What does that have to do with anything,
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  Speaker 3: because I just these guys don't want to lose.
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  Speaker 5: I just said from the coach down, they didn't tank, Fred,
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  Speaker 5: What do you mean, I didn't play what level of sports?
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  Speaker 4: Did you play?
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  Speaker 3: A very high level?
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  Speaker 4: All individual sports?
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  Speaker 9: Though?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly?
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  Speaker 5: Jesus, I know they didn't tank last year. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think that the Patriots and Drake May went out there
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  Speaker 5: and purposely tried to lose every single week. But the
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  Speaker 5: way that they ran their organization last year from a
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  Speaker 5: personnel standpoint, they barely spent any money on external free.
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  Speaker 3: Agent that has nothing.
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  Speaker 5: That's what do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: That's a whole difference.
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  Speaker 5: So do you think that that roster last year was
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  Speaker 5: built to win?
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  Speaker 3: Listen. Reportedly, Stephen Ross asked his coach Brian Flores the tank,
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  Speaker 3: and Brian Flores refused.
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  Speaker 5: We're not talking about that. We're not saying No one's
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  Speaker 5: saying that they purposely went out there to try to
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  Speaker 5: lose games. We're talking it, clearly.
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  Speaker 3: But teams purposely go out there and try to win.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously. Yeah, but you build a team and you know
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  Speaker 5: whether or not that team is built up enough to act.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, you're saying, you try to win, but you hope
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  Speaker 3: you'll lose.
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying that I think that they might have quiet
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  Speaker 5: tanked it. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Listen. Okay, well I don't think that. Yeah, well, we'll
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  Speaker 3: let that one's off. We'll let that one go in.
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  Speaker 3: You live in April. I'll live from September to December.
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  Speaker 10: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: I think there was a little of that that went
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  Speaker 4: on in twenty twenty. I think they had an intentional
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  Speaker 4: reset after Brady left, and yeah, I think they were
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  Speaker 4: content to, you know, just play it out.
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  Speaker 3: But that's yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think that they did that last year.
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  Speaker 4: I think Girodmeo came in with the intention of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: starting a rebuild the program, and they were doing it
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  Speaker 4: in a win more game. He thought he was going
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  Speaker 4: to get more times now coach of the team, right,
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  Speaker 4: But I don't I don't think that they set the
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  Speaker 4: roster up to lose.
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  Speaker 5: You don't think that that roster was set up to lose.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it was a good roster. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think it was an intentional That's a big difference. I
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  Speaker 4: think Jayalen Pope was supposed to be a good player.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I guess we can sit there and say that
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't fully intentional, and we can take like we
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  Speaker 5: can say that, but I did sit here and say
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  Speaker 5: that they thought that they were going to win games
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  Speaker 5: at that roster last year. I think it is kind
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  Speaker 5: of crazy.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think that I think they knew what
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  Speaker 3: their They knew their intention was, but I don't think
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  Speaker 3: I think they wanted to win.
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  Speaker 4: And they knew they weren't a title contender or anything.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think that they intended to win four games. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they could.
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  Speaker 3: Get into this right like this right away. Well, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't play because you're looking a little uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 11: I'm a little uncomfortable yelling. It's loud noises and I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Like my brothers are fighting, and I'm well, how is it?
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  Speaker 11: I mean my feeling is that as four people yell
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  Speaker 11: on each other too much, I feel like two on
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  Speaker 11: one is enough and we can sit back and enjo.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, as you know what I mean. What's your take
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  Speaker 3: on this?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, dude, give us your time with you guys, but
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  Speaker 11: I don't want to go up you can.
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  Speaker 5: Get because I think you guys are moving the goalposts
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  Speaker 5: on it, which is when I get annoyed, like like,
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  Speaker 5: no one is sitting here saying like no, it is
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  Speaker 5: annoying because I'm not sitting here telling you that. I
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  Speaker 5: think that the Patriots purposely go out ever or any
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  Speaker 5: team goes out there to try to lose games. And
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  Speaker 5: I don't think the Patriots should do that at any
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  Speaker 5: time at any point. But if you want to build
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  Speaker 5: a sustained winner in this league, then doing it one
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  Speaker 5: year with a good free agency class. We've seen this
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  Speaker 5: movie before repeatedly. But teams that try to do that, listen,
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  Speaker 5: they have one year where they get a shot in
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  Speaker 5: the environment and they go back down to Earth.
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  Speaker 3: And I agree with that totally. I also agree you
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  Speaker 3: have to build through the draft, but I also say
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  Speaker 3: that you don't always have to be drafting in the
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  Speaker 3: top five or even the top ten to draft good players.
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  Speaker 5: Not to draft good players, but if you don't already
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  Speaker 5: have good players on your roster, if you don't have
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  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes, you don't have Josh Allen, if you don't
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  Speaker 5: have Tom Brady, then you drafting you're not going to
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  Speaker 5: be able to just pick like Dan Copen, like I know,
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  Speaker 5: and Eugene Wilson and turn those guys into the players
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  Speaker 5: you also.
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  Speaker 3: Don't hope not to win so that you can't draft tie.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the Commanders would do anything to give
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  Speaker 3: away what they did last year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they could go hang their banner champions again.
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  Speaker 4: This is this is just that's the crux of what
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  Speaker 4: I disgoyed, right.
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  Speaker 3: That as you're coming off like a cold draft knick,
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  Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, gen z Staton, you're.
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  Speaker 5: Coming off like Felger who just.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I hope I'm coming off like someone who
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  Speaker 3: wants to compete and win. That's the point of playing
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  Speaker 3: these games.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well we're talking about this off fair at all,
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  Speaker 4: just completely picked up where it left off when you left.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I like it, It's fine, all right, all right?
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  Speaker 3: What note we had a practice report yesterday, participation report.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, Now, Craig Woodson was out, so safety is dealing
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  Speaker 11: with some injury issues. Jalen Hawkins has been out, so yeah,
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  Speaker 11: they might have to deal with some of that, and
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  Speaker 11: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get some extra reps.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Kyle Dougast is staying in the mix.
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  Speaker 11: You can say, you can say say it probably not maybe,
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  Speaker 11: but I think Jerry Judy, that's what I was looking
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  Speaker 11: for you to say, Jerry safety.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't play safety anymore. Well, he hasn't under mic.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know that, I know that, but it
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  Speaker 3: is but he has played safety.
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  Speaker 11: It does sound like it's a Paul's thing of it
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  Speaker 11: all working off for the Patriots. Sounds like it's kind
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  Speaker 11: of percolating right now. With Jerry Judy missed practice yesterday,
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  Speaker 11: we'll see Michael Pennox is dealing with a knee injury
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  Speaker 11: and Baker Mayfield.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so those guys are both limited. So next uh
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  Speaker 1: you opponents are banged up.
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  Speaker 4: But it looks like Hawkins will be back and probably
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  Speaker 4: if Woodson will see today. You know, I think if
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  Speaker 4: you missed two days in a row and they're.
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  Speaker 11: A little more liberal with missing guys on Wednesday, given
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  Speaker 11: the day off.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, and I think Wednesday, Thursday, I'm sorry, is
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  Speaker 4: the day. If I'm not mistaken that they've been in pads, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, uh, well, they're never in full pads, Paul, I understand, Mike, Well,
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  Speaker 5: nobody couple of anymore picking knits today. No, I think, well,
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  Speaker 5: they've been in shell's both Wednesday and okay, because they
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  Speaker 5: actually practiced in shells quite a bit, but.
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  Speaker 4: I thought they had been wearing pads on Thursdays.
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  Speaker 5: But well, again, we're we're putting the heirs. Hawkins. I
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  Speaker 5: was a little surprised did to play last week. He
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  Speaker 5: traveled with the team to Tennessee and seemed like he
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  Speaker 5: was headed in the right direction. And I think they
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  Speaker 5: just kind of aired on the side of caution with
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  Speaker 5: that one, and and gave him the extra week to
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  Speaker 5: get healthy, so I would expect him. He was full yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: so I expect him to be back. So it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of just you know, going to be Kyle Dugger and
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Hawkins instead of Kyle Dugger and Craig Woodson. If
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  Speaker 5: Craig Woodson doesn't doesn't probably on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, any other news we have to get out of
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  Speaker 3: the way.
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  Speaker 1: I want to think.
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  Speaker 11: So Stanley Morgan making it, you know, the Hall of
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  Speaker 11: Fames announcing all of their you know, not finalists yet,
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  Speaker 11: it's like they're moving on.
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  Speaker 1: But Stanley Morgan is as.
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  Speaker 3: People know, I'm a small hall guy. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: guys that are in it I don't think should be
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  Speaker 3: in it. A lot of guys that get nominated. Stanley
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  Speaker 3: Morgan should be in the Hall of Fame based on
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  Speaker 3: who's in there now and what he did, you know,
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  Speaker 3: as a as a receiver, he should be in the
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 4: Mike, did you tell the story on air when you
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  Speaker 4: sat down with Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungee.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't think. Yeah, that.
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  Speaker 11: Is a good story, Paul, Yeah it was. It was
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  Speaker 11: funny time. Tony Dungee was sitting right where I was sitting.
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  Speaker 11: I was sitting with Paul and Evan r. And Tony
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  Speaker 11: Dungee just you know, pointed out Stanley Morning like he
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  Speaker 11: was a really good player, and I was like, and
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  Speaker 11: we were just kind of that was good.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want I didn't want to go to extreme
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  Speaker 1: on it. No, I don't want to. You know, Tony
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  Speaker 1: was you know everything you think. It's just a great guy.
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  Speaker 11: And you know, as we're waiting for the cameras to
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  Speaker 11: get up and running, you know, had a little conversation
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  Speaker 11: with him, and it was just so cool because the
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  Speaker 11: second all right action, I asked no questions, Like the
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  Speaker 11: professionalism just kicked in on both those guys in the
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  Speaker 11: chemistry that they have.
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  Speaker 1: But no, it was cool. I mean I wanted.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, Dungee was a defensive back, so I was odd.
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  Speaker 11: You ever, I should have asked him if he ever
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  Speaker 11: crossed paths with him. I don't know for sure, if
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  Speaker 11: you ever know cover Stanley Morgan, but the original deep
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  Speaker 11: threat or one of the original deep threats, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Just the guy bridged over twenty yards to catch for
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  Speaker 3: his career.
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  Speaker 1: I mean three times, I think he led the league
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  Speaker 1: in yards per catch.
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't like he was playing, you know, with great.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't like he caught you know, fifteen passes
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  Speaker 4: a year. He was the leading receiver for the team
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  Speaker 4: and consistently averaged, you know, over seventeen yards a catch.
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  Speaker 5: He was he was really one of the first like
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  Speaker 5: true deep threats, you know, downfield passing wasn't you know,
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  Speaker 5: a thing until really like the late sixties.
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  Speaker 3: And I loved him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a really good player.
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to, you know, something was so just
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  Speaker 3: being on the Patriots. You think that's hurt him not
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  Speaker 3: getting in sooner?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he was also good Patriots, seems though.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know if it should have.
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  Speaker 11: But the thing it was stood out to me is
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  Speaker 11: I was kind of you know, researching him and doing
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  Speaker 11: the eighty five thing was, you know, eighty four, eighty five,
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  Speaker 11: thirty eight, thirty nine receptions, and then all of a
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  Speaker 11: sudden in eighty six he just comes back with eighty
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  Speaker 11: four catches, fourteen hundred and ninety one yards, ten touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: You know that was year he's thirty one. Seemed like
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  Speaker 1: he was trending down.
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  Speaker 4: With you have the whole numbers right there. I did,
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  Speaker 4: what did he have for games played in eighty three,
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  Speaker 4: eighty four whatever?
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  Speaker 11: In eighty four he played thirteen, and eighty five he
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  Speaker 11: played fifteen, and in eighty six.
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  Speaker 1: He played sixteen.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't he didn't miss as many games. But I
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  Speaker 4: will say that's one. The one negative on Stanley Morgan
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  Speaker 4: is he constantly dealt with hamstring problems. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 4: think that limited some of his production, but his numbers.
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  Speaker 4: You know this, I'm going to play Evan's side of
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  Speaker 4: the street here. There's two I think excellent wide receivers
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  Speaker 4: for Pittsburgh and Lynn Swan and John Stalwart. Stanley Morgan
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  Speaker 4: is a better player than both, especially Swan. And you said,
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: did the Patriots have something to do with it? I
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: would say yes, that elevated, you know, four titles for
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: the Steelers. Absolutely elevated those two wide receivers and got
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: them in and Stanley Morgan never got a chance to
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: do it. I'm not telling you that Swan and Stalwarts
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: don't belong in. I'm telling you Morgan belongs in too.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, especially Stalwarts. He was really really good player for Pittsburgh.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: Swan made the big highlight reel catches and Super Bowls
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: that people remember, but Stalwart was an unbelievable players.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So let's let's hope. Now he's in the veterans,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: he's in the scene and how many of those can
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: go in, like two or something like that.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: They're all part of the finalists.
• 16:04
  Speaker 11: So I think the way they kind of have it
• 16:05
  Speaker 11: is there's four separate contributors, coaches, seniors, and regular players,
• 16:10
  Speaker 11: and they'll all be narrowed down to finalists and then
• 16:12
  Speaker 11: I think it's everybody's kind of in the mix, right, So.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: They'll have one senior guy, one contributor one.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if they have I don't even
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: know if they have to happen.
• 16:20
  Speaker 11: I don't think they have to even a coach, Like
• 16:22
  Speaker 11: it's they there's a finalist, but it doesn't have to happen.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, they don't have to put them in. But
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: I think that they all all of those committees pick
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: one guy and present them to the Fame. The Hall
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: of Fame committee then votes whether or not they're in.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: I thought nobody gets in if they don't get a
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: certain percentage of the votes, Like if one person doesn't
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: get like sixty percent. I don't know about they don't
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: put anyone in.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the Hall of Fame committee. Okay,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: these are different, say these are different committees.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I know they're differently.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I think that they all are tasked with picking one guy.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. I know that's definitely sure
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: on the coaches.
• 16:56
  Speaker 11: I think maybe in the seniors, they it was like
• 16:58
  Speaker 11: twelve that they narrow down to, like the finalists.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I could be last.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Year on the senior committee, former Packers receiver who I
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: think Stanley Morgan is also better than by the.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Way, but sharp Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a little bit
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: of a I think he's a better player too, but
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: that's a little bit of an extenuating circumstance with his
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: career getting cut short.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So they last year, they you know, for Fred,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: they had a very small it was a small class,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: and you know, there were some guys, you know, first
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: ballot guys that didn't get in, you know, first ballot
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: guys in terms of their candidacy that could have been
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: first ballot that didn't get in. That was pretty surprising
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: for a lot of people. Obviously Vinitarry like here is locally,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: but it was they were tough last year. They were
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: tough voters. They didn't let a lot of guys in.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Adam Adam and Rodney, you know, those two guys.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I wonder if it's a good The list this year
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: is pretty good. There's a lot of good players on
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: the list this year, you know, the modern first timers.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of interesting names like Drew Brees.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Philip Rivers. There's a lot of good players.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: So, Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten. There's some good first time candidates.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, not putting them all in
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the same bucket here, but there are some good candidates
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: on the list.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: So it's gonna be tough for Vinitarian Harrison is what
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 18:26
  Speaker 11: And Ventitari was a finalist last year, so he goes
• 18:29
  Speaker 11: right through to like the final group, so yeah, he
• 18:31
  Speaker 11: doesn't have to go through this next process. So him
• 18:34
  Speaker 11: and a couple other guys that were finalis Eli Manning
• 18:37
  Speaker 11: and Rodney was not a finally he was a finalist
• 18:39
  Speaker 11: I think a couple of years ago, and then he
• 18:40
  Speaker 11: wasn't last year, so he's he'll still have to fight
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: his way through.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, that's it's interesting. Patriots are well represented on
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: on both lists, so yeah, And of course Robert Kraft
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: is eligible so tomorrow.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Will be contributors.
• 18:53
  Speaker 11: So we'll see, uh if he's on that list, and yeah,
• 18:57
  Speaker 11: just uh, Logan mankins All is in that group as well,
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: worth worth a mention and love to see him, you know.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'd just love to see more Patriots in the Hall
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of Fame.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Yep, I missed my meeting with Logan this year. I'm
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: upset about.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: That with Logan.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, guy? What else?
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Seeing in Fenwick? Played on Friday? But I didn't go
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: to the game.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: What else? What else? Alex? What's going on with you?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: You had a birthday?
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I had the whole world? Was it yesterday?
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: It was Tuesday?
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: Tuesday, although a lot of people think it was yesterday,
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: and I kind of just like, I don't know. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: felt uncomfortable, so I just let him think it was.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't want to be correcting everybody. Yeah, so
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: would you do anything good?
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Happy birthday?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Losing their luster a little bit?
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Are you a good birthday celebrator?
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: No?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I think she's at the especially thirty one hour.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: It's all downhill from here.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: It's thirty one.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: It's all over prime, but you're.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: In your prime.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: No, thirty one is the new twenty nine? Is it?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Is it really?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Good to know forty is.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: The new th all right?
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: I changed my mind and it was a great what's
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: eighty the news?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: All right? I know what that means? A five five
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: past five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: com is the email address. We're going to do picks later.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I got to pop out at about one oh.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Five, happy about that?
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: We can we go? We get hurry. Freend's not here
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: to make sure.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: But I'll be back before picks. Don't worry about it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Not that's just poor to me, little preview did how
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: did everyone do good week for you? Well, I'm talking
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: about everybody else. We know that everybody else.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: I just continue to climb out of the basement. Okay, good,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: It's been a long Jewish journey. But okay, I'm no
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: longer in last place in either one of.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Them, like the seven circles of help?
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Correct, that's every show with you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Should I go to the phone, Should I go to
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the emails? What should I do? What do you think?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Why doesn't this mouse work?
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Why don't you leave class?
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Why don't you lead off with Christian and let him
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: yell at me?
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: All right? Oh okay, oh there he is there you go.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I guess you know we we brought up his name right,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: so we should probably let him have hus speak. Okay,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: but keep it simple, Christian, what's up, Paul.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: Because I'm a gentleman and a scholar, I'm just going
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: to take my flowers and say we're on the same side. However,
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: today I gotta get after you guys to getting on
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Evan because Evan is right. In today's league, you cannot
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: build a team one draft and then you start sort
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: of nippicking around. It's not going to happen that way.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: The talent disparage you between the top players and the
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: mid players and the lower players is way too too
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: wide today, and the margin is so thin that you
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: literally have to be in the top half of the
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: draft for at least three years build a.
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: Team that's that's going to be able to.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Sustain and compete for a playoff in about four years.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: So I'm on Evan's side. No one's saying let's purposely lose.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: What he's saying is it definitely takes at least three drafts,
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: good drafts in the high picks to get it. Jalen
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Polk was never going to be good. You know why,
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: because either at the bottom of the first or second round,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: running a four, four to three or four I mean
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: four or five, four, six. That's ridiculous. We can't get
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: players that are great unless we are higher in the draft.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: How did that happen? You are at the bottom seat
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: of the playoffs or not in the playoffs. That's all
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: we were trying to say. We need to say lose. Purposely,
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: we said to building today's league. It's different. Thank you guys,
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Gon'll take it off the air. Let's beat these Browns
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: and keep moving on.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: All right, thanks question, okay, all right, all right, So.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I purposely let that go, and again I would just
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: start I would just argue back and say, first of all,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Jalen Polk was at the top of the second round,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: not the bottom right. Second of all, you had a
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: better option than Jalen Polk that got taken and it
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: has been far more productive after Jalen Pope. Correct. They
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: have their their opportunity to draft labmer Conky and they didn't.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Fred was climbering of the lab. They traded down, They
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: traded That's what I'm saying. They had an opportunity to
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: draft them and they didn't.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: So I just would push back on this, the whole
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: notion that you can't get good players unless you pick
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: in the top half of the first round.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Right, No, I'm saying that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I didn't say that you did. He keeps insisting that
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I'm with him.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: I am not.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: I would just push back on that whole mentality. This
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: is not about Evan's right when you know, talking about
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the goalposts, like, this argument isn't about losing on purpose,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: trying to lose. That's not what this arguments about. That's
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: not what anyone is suggesting. Evan's not suggesting that at all.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Where Evan and I have a little bit of a
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: difference of opinion is I don't believe that the only
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: way to get really good players is to be at
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: the top half of the first round. I think you
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: have to get good players regardless of where you pick.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I I agree with Evan on that that's the only
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: way to sustain success is to draft.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I just want to be I just want to
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: clear something up. So right now, I think we would
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: all agree that the Patriots are on a roll. They're
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: winning games, but there's a lot of still roster stuff
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that they need to do. Absolutely absolutely, so now they're screwed.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Right, No, that's not what I'm saying because if they
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: what if they do well this year, because that's fine.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: The Patriots have already been in the gutter enough now.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I know, But how are they in your mind, how
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: are they going to get back?
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Because I don't think what they need now is going
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: to be like foundational pieces that you can't get elsewhere.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: They have the quarterback, they have a left tackle, they
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: have a number one corner, like these are the places
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: that are really difficult to find at thirty in the
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: draft or in free agency. They don't come available. Number
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: one wide receiver. You can trade for those. We see
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: it all the time, Like you can go in the
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: trade market and you can for an AJ Brown, you
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: can trade for a Stefon Diggs, you can trade for
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: a Tyreek Hill like that gets moved right now. The
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: only thing that I think that they're probably missing out of,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: like the premium positions, is like a stud edge rusher.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: So maybe they will have to do that by committee
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: like they're doing right now, instead of going out and
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: getting von Miller at the top of the draft. They
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: might need Landry's and Chase Son's and those types of
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: players to fill it in. But what we're not asking
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: them to do is to go find a quarterback drafting
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: at twenty right, and that's where the Pittsburgh Steelers have
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: been for the last five years, is they don't have
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: a quarterback of the future, but they don't stink enough
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: to draft a quarterback up top, so they're getting you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Kenny Pickett's of the world. The Patriots draft Mac Jones
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: fifteenth overall instead of having Trevor Lawrence right like that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Those are the problems that I think you have. But
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: the Patriots have been in the gutter for three years now,
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: really two years in the top of the five draft,
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: so they've started to pick some of these pillar foundational
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: guys at these premium positions.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why they're they've been so
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: bad is because they didn't draft well, they didn't draft
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: they had let Paul pointed out, and there's been there's
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: plenty of other examples. They had chances to draft better
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: players than they draft.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: But we can play that game all day with all
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: thirty two exactly.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: That's kind of the point of it is, like it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: not where, it's who.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: No, But the point is is that you're talking about
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: like quarterback. You can't just expect quarterbacks.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Of course, you're.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: You're talking about left tackle, which like those those guys.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: But you can get that guy and all of a sudden,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: now you're a good team.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: You do not find left tackles that are starting caliber
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: like good left tackles on Day two of the draft.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: So don't so back back when they drafted Mac Jones.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: In an alternate universe, let's say Drake May was that guy.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: They would have gotten better a lot faster.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: But Drake May wouldn't have gone fifteenth overall, I'm.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Just saying if they had been able to pick Drake
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: May back then this rebuild would have happened a lot
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: faster than it did without Bill Campbell and without all
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: these guys.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Because they had holdovers from the Brady teams.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: They weren't good. It was a bad team.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Twenty one was not a bad team.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I just it was the free agent team.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I just think there's a lot of ways to skin
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the cat in the NFL. I do believe you have
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: to draft well, you have to build through the draft,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: but you don't always have to draft in the top
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: ten to draft good players.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: You don't know, I'm saying that what I'm telling you
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: is is that I think at these premium positions like quarterback,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: like left tackle, like all corner pass rusher, like those
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: guys go at the top of the draft. There's a
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: reason why they call them premium positions because they're worth
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: now over time.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Let's just say you have Drake May and man, we've
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: got this great quarterback. We've got the potential at that time.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: You can you can get a left tackle. You can
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you can trade or buy a left tackle, you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: because you're not you're only paying that one guy, right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: You get him, even if what is he going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: be good?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Is he going to be worth the money that you're paying? Like,
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: go look at the free agency at left tackle last year.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: We just played one last week in Tennessee Dan Moore
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Junior who got smoked by the AFC defensive Player of
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: the week.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I know, but so again, you can, right, But if
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: you've got the quarterback, that's half the battle.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Of course, and if the whole quarterback more than half.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Right, If you get the quarterback.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And if you're only paying the quarterback, you've got money
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: to burn. Now you don't I'm assuming you don't have
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: your cornerback you don't have your red rusher, you don't
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: have your left tackle. There's other ways.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: To get them to where do they get the quarterback.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, probably high in the draft.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: The Patriots got him high in the draft. They have
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: a sustainable What if they were in the.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Middle of the draft and they draft and they and they,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: you know, moved got picks and moved up. Other teams
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: done that. Yeah, they moved up, okay, but they weren't
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: necessarily terrible teams.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: That's how Kansas City built their dynasty.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Correct by trading all the way up to draft Patrick right,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: and they weren't a bad but they were a good
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: team before that. They were I understand that. But when
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: they got and went to go get Mahomes, they drafted
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: him tenth overall.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: But they didn't have to lose to win.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: That's that's the part that I.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: With Alex Smith's one example with Alex Smith, like if
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: the Patriots had signed the call, you could.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Give you examples, but you don't really agree with us.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: So I think we're just banging our heads. Like the
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Rams like gave away all their picks. They've sustained it
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: for what six seven years now, Like there's a random
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of different ways to do.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I remember at that time people said the Rams are
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: doing it wrong, they're screwed.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: But the Okay, we're just gonna have to let this
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: go because you're not like the Rams already had their
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: foundational pieces in place. They already had quarter They drafted
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Jared Goff first overall.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: How did they get their quarterback?
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: But they drafted?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: But has that in place? And you and you're killing
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Washington and yet praising the Patriots. They're the same. They
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: both had a top three pick, nailed the quarterback, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: they they've gotten better.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: But I'm talking about the quarterback.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Jared Goff for him, the Pagers didn't have a Jared Goff.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: The trade for they.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Goa But we're not talking about like once you once
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: you get the quarterback, we no longer have any interest
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: in picking in the top ten. Who's saying they have
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: interest in Fred and I are saying that we do.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: But you think that Washington is like doomed because they
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: went to the NERC Championship last year.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: I think Washington that's the that's the part that we're
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: disagreeing on. Washington hit lightning in a bottle. Last year.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: They may have they may not have been quite that good.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: But to me, the future is rosy for Washington because
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: the quarterback is good. They'll be able to continue if
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: they draft well to put pieces around him. You don't
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: have to have a top half of the first round
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: pick to go from where Washington is now to title contender,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: in my view. Doesn't make them right. Doesn't mean I'm right,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: but I don't think that they need a top five
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: pick to help Jayden Daniels get to the where they
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: want to go. I agree with you. That was lightning
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: in a bottle last year. Fred and I talked about
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: it a lot in the summer. I agree with you.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: They weren't quite as good as their record indicated last year.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: But I think they'll be okay because as long as
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Daniel stays healthy.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Right, I think ok.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: I Just the way that I look at it is
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: that I look at teams that sustained success in the league,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: not teams that have hit it one year and then
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: come back down to earth. Teams that build that, Teams
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: that really sustain it. Now, we want to use the Chiefs,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: who have the greatest quarterback of the modern era, then
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: I guess we can take the Chiefs. But like I
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: just like, Okay, if I had Patrick Mahomes, then yes,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I probably could build a team picking at the bottom
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: of the first round.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: If I had Tom Brigeles.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: The Eagles drafted Jalen Carter tent, they drafted DeVante Smith,
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: like twelve. The drafted a lot of their players in
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: the top of the draft.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Ten and twelve.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, ten and twelve, that's all I'm saying.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: And Jalen Hurts was in the second round.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they got lucky they drafted. He's one of the
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: few outliers outside of the first round that's worked out.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, like Kirk Cousins for a minute.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Like Russell Wilson.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Russell Wilson. You've named four Like this is exactly like.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: There's only thirty two teams. Oh yeah, we're getting.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: There, Fred, that's not an argument you want to make. No,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: if you want to be good, you got to get
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: a first round draft pick for a quarterback. I mean
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: it's pretty simple. There's like fifteen good quarterbacks in the league,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: and like thirteen of them were drafted.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: In the first right. No, but you can take somebody
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Else's draft pick. Matthew Stafford was a high pick, but
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: they traded for him. They didn't draft him.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they traded a number one overall pick for
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: a number one overall pick. I know, to Evans's points,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: but you say, I am not not that stubborn. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: can go back. I understand, I could switch side. We know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: I can argue anything.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: It's very hard to find blue chip talent outside of
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: the top ten fifteen.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: You could just say, period, it's hard to find blue
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: chip talent. There's not a lot of blue champers out there.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I guess that gets into a whole
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: semantics of what's a blue chipper. But like, I think
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: define those types of players. You know, we can sit
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: here and talk about the Eagles. The Eagles have spread
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: it really thin. They've done it in multiple ways. But
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: at the same time, Lane Johnson was a top five
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: pick in the draft. Jalen Carter was went tenth overall
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: to Philadelphia a couple of years ago. DeVante Smith I
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: think was like eleven or twelve, right, Like, it's not
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: like their team is filled with guys that weren't drafted highly.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: You know, Jordan Davis was a top twenty pick in
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: the draft.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they also manipulate well to get those they did.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: They made a lot of good They make trades and
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: now they have a.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Roundation and now they now they have Jalen Carter in place.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: They have like the most important thing is is when
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: they manipulated and moved around the board, they hit the pick. Right,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: they didn't take Jalen Polk instead of Lad McConkie.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Right, right, take Jalen Rager.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: But that was a wild ago. You're going back.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: I know, I'm just messing.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: All right, let's keep going. Let's let's let's proceed. Nate's
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: in Connecticut. What's up, Nate? Hey? Hey?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: Uh So my question for you guys is, with the
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: trade deadline quickly approaching, I see us not adding a
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: wide receiver, even though people say we we we're gonna
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: try to.
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: I don't see that.
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: I see plenty of potential with Kashan Boody. I know
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: we signed dig was like a one year deal. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: think three years three year, okay, But you know, with
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: Hop Douglas, I think we have enough in the wide
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: receiver room. It's just I feel like we can add
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: some depth at corner because I've seen Carton Carson Davis,
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: you know, get shaken off after a lot of plays,
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: and I don't know how many plays he's gonna come
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: back up, Uh, not without a scratch, if you know
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: what I'm saying. But I see I see aid in,
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: probably a cornerback and maybe a couple of defensive playmakers,
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: just to beef up the defense. But I want you
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: guys to know from that, I think, Okay.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw Sweet this morning.
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: Shoot, I forget who it was from saying that the
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: Patriots had been more interested in defensive players. That's what
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: the rumblings are for the trade deadline, looking at cornerbacks
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: and linebacker.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: That what it was.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's probably where the value is.
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah maybe, but yeah, I just I still think they're
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: searching for some pieces on defense even now.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not saying it never happens, but I wouldn't
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: get your hopes up that they're gonna make like a
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: splash or like a team altering type of trade in
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: the middle of the season. They might make a trade
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: for depth. You know, they might get another corner in here.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: To Nate's point that you know, just in terms of insurance,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: if you know, somebody one of those top three guys
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: gets hurt and they don't love Charles Woods or they
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: don't love Alex Austen. You know, they could do that,
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: They could get you have some more depth in safety
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: with all the injuries that they've had recently at safety.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: But I don't think that they're going to be able
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: to get a player that's really going to move the needle. Now,
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: it happens sometimes, it doesn't never happen, but it's it's
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: pretty rare.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at edge depth too. You know.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: That's sure drum beat for me.
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: But I think they'll do something and I I just
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: running back. We keep bringing it up, but what's going
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: to happen there? Not gonna let Remandre carry the load
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: for you know, all by himself.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: In the last I'm surprised. And it is definitely depending
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: on where you look like Jeremy Fowler said they are
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: absolutely in the running back market. I think Diana Rossini
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: said they're not.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: In the running back market.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know what to believe, but I can't imagine
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: that if they had an opportunity. I agree with Evan
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: big splash is probably unrealistic, but they need just depth
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: pieces at running back. I can't imagine you want to
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: go with the rest away with two guys.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: And I was surprised they haven't moved on a running
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: back me too.
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: And I mean, I'm I'm not reading too much into it.
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: I just highlight like Rabel saying in the locker room
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: after the game to Terrell Jennings, we found our what
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: our ten or.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Five minute back, like you know, I don't know if
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: Real or like, but to me it would like perk
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: my ears up a little bit of are you going
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: to give him some more carries?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Was that just garbage like that? Right?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I mean that was garbage time arries. That's not the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: same thing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: It might know that, Yeah, no, I know that's and
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: that's why I said, like I wasn't saying like, but
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: it just highlighted to me like they're saying we found
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: our something, like you're looking for something at that. Not
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: to say that Terrell Jennings is going to be that guy,
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: but it's just a glaring need right now. And you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: I think we all know if Romandrie goes down with
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: like an injury, you know, on Sunday, like what do
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: you do now? It's it's Tyl Jennings show pretty much.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Yesterday, Paul and I revealed that on one of Paul's
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: shows they were confused as to when Drake May was picked.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Like on one of his shows, they said that kind
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: of the top five because they us that last game
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: last year and they didn't have the top pick overall,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: they weren't able to pick.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: They screwed up their high rounds.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Barton Poland said to the Caleb May discussion
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: from yesterday, we got May because we lost to the
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Jets in the last game of that season. And to
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: that and to that game, a big portion of the
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: fan base was quietly and not quietly rooting for lost.
• 38:23
  Speaker 11: Me included that there was a lot I mean, there's
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: alkick Denver on Christmas was like what initially cost them
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: the number one pick in that draft and then they
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: like got Yeah, there's a lot of different things they
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: the Giants kick.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Obviously they had a chance to win that game at
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: the end and he missed that one. So there's a
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: lot of different like.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: If you want to say thank god that they won
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: those games, like the Pittsburgh and Denver game that everybody
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: makes fun of down the stretch, you could say in retrospect,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: you got the best quarterback, so thank god that they
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: won those games. And I gave you the third pick
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: because you may not have if you had the first pick.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Maybe you would have.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Right many however, including Febrar rooting for a win not
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: only because you always root for win, but because you
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: couldn't live with Bill's last game as our head coach
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: being a loss to the Jets, even if it costs
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: us a top three pick. Now I have a question.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I don't remember that. Now I have a question for
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: those people. Fred you can answer. Have you, at any
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: point since twenty twenty four, since January twenty twenty four,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: thought about that game regretted not winning it, because I
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: haven't seen it mentioned once since then, would you swap
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: getting May for Bill winning his last game as our
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: head coach? I think I know the answer. I don't remember.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Winning on not winning that game did not have any
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: impact on you getting May or not. If you lost
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: the game, you were where you were, like, I mean,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: what are we doing?
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: I think if they had lost the game, they might
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: have been second instead of third, but you would have
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: still been picking between Jayden Daniels and Drakes.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: So if they won the game, where do they go?
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: They go fifth.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: If they had won the game. Aim, Uh, I don't know, honestly, And.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I suppose there's an argument that Bart's making. He's probably right,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: but probably has this right because I don't have the
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: whole draft in front of me. Maybe if they won,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: one of the teams that picked after them would have
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: taken me.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Or jumped ahead of them.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, they would have jumped ahead of them,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: and maybe.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows, butterfly effect, You never know, you never know.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Well, he was definitely going in the top three, but
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know exactly. I don't remember
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: because after the Patriots took three, I think it went
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: to six for the Giants. Right, Oh man, this is
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: a couple of drafts.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Never mind. Yeah, let's get back to the phone. Melvin's
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: in Tennessee. What's up, Melvin, How's going on.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, it's great to just obviously
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: have like an offensive team we can win and score
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: as a big difference when you have a game of
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: a team that deep, the focus is hard. Like on
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: every game with like Intendas, it was just it's a
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: lot it's hard to do, and like policy is, I
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: think it's like it not really sustainable. And I think Cleveland,
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: I think about it was one of those teams recently.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: They had like a defensive led team a couple of
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: years ago. Then the get Houston offed the floor with him.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: I'll never forget that in the playoff game. So it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: still just hard to do. But with that being said,
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go twenty four Patriots. Cleveland say thirteen.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Twenty four to thirteen. Okay, okay, yeah, I can see that. Okay,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: thanks Mervin. Sorry I missed you in Nashville.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: A good lock stuff going off?
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: All right? I got Youah, he texted me. By that time,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: pants were off. I was in bed, so oh when
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: you were in Nashville. Yeah, I'm sorry. I wasn't. I wasn't.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I wasn't about to go out.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're going to do on your time,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: but each other you.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Up, you up, you up.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Eldred's in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?
• 42:08
  Speaker 13: Hey?
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: Alan?
• 42:09
  Speaker 14: He's how you doing?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Belgian?
• 42:11
  Speaker 14: I'm gonna make this. I'm gonna try and make this quick,
• 42:14
  Speaker 14: Evan on which thanks soldier and oh pray, why are
• 42:19
  Speaker 14: y'all arguing because this is what we do years that
• 42:22
  Speaker 14: we went thirty. I know you wouldn't thirty have to
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: pick everybody else will be picked being garbage because in
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: the middle of laugh of the Witch cop and most
• 42:31
  Speaker 14: of them still ain't with the Kings, I ain't ain't
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: coming up with Graybell cut down on top. Before doing
• 42:37
  Speaker 14: the draft, you wouldn't have got made. If you were
• 42:40
  Speaker 14: drafted twenty eight, you wouldn't have got God.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: We wouldn't.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: It's a very chicken or the egg now that I'm really.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 42:52
  Speaker 15: But but what I'm saying is what I'm saying is.
• 42:55
  Speaker 14: You get the top guys at the top of the draft. Okay,
• 42:58
  Speaker 14: that's what we did for the.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: I know, I know, But if you're drafted twenty eight down,
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: I know that we're just going to have to agree
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: to disagree.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But I think we all agree on the quarterback part
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: of the argument.
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: And I think we spent too much time over the
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: last couple of years analyzing how do the Patriots get
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: the next quarterback?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And all that.
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: Well, you had like little polls and research and all
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: kinds of stuff. And if you want a.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Great quarterback, I mean, in general, I'm one thousand percent
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: locks to me, the.
• 43:26
  Speaker 11: Bottom line, that's what you need to do and like
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: and I also here though you know, there's no set
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: way to do it. Like you know, you can't say, well,
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: we're going to get the four key positions and four consecutive.
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: You know, it worked out that way pretty well for
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: the Patriots, But I think that's kind of rare.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: There's usually going to be a hole. You got to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: try to figure out one of those important positions. And
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you know, but I think we all agree on the quarterback.
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: That's where if you like you want sustained excellence and
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: you want to get a legit guy with all.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: The taps quarterback, where you're going to end up picking
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: in the top five. Yeah, and once you do it,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: you have to make sure you hit you know, you
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: know the Jets do it all the time, right, they
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: just don't seem to hit the quarterback. I mean, but
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: if you don't have the quarterback, I.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Just think we're in a chicken under of the egg
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: situation because like, in order to get to picking twenty
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: eighth in the draft, you had to have found the
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks at point, I don't know what it's a quarterback,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: you probably needed to pick them in the top ten.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: And that's why it's not black and white.
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: Right like the beginning of this whole debate, you guys
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: are once Evan's arguing black, you guys are arguing white,
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: and then you find the gray area in between. Because
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: there's thirty two teams and everything is so circumstantial every
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: single year that there's no way to.
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: Just replicate a process.
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: You can't just look at a roadmap and say we're
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: going to do it this way, because every circumstance is
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: so different.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: I also think it's stealing.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Nuance to everything. And that's what Fred was saying. There's
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of different ways to do it, and I
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: would just just, you know, to put a bow on it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: I would just say that's why I don't think Washington's doomed.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're doomed because I think they got
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the part that's the hardest to get again, assuming he
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: stays healthy and now I don't think you need those
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: high high picks to get the other things that they
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: still need. The rosters obviously flawed, it's not a great.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think they're doomed. I just think that what
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: I would say you're.
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: To have going a little run and cost themselves, right.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: It just I look at Washington's roster now, and you
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: know they have tunsl a left tackle, so maybe they're
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: they'll figure that out. But like, can you even like
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: name like a star defensive player on that team, like Frankie,
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: I Like.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they have a star. You know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think they have a guy as good as
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: But I mean, and once Terry McLaurin starts to age
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: out at the receiver position, they don't need to get
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: what's behind him is really really not great. So it
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: just those types of positions. You know, it might be
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: in a position to draft Jordan Tyson and fix the
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: receiver thing.
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: I think the Steelers are just the right example though,
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: of a team that just is always good enough to
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: not get that guy and you know what's not going quarterback?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they're always in the middle of the draft.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: You can really come up with every scenario. You can
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: find a team, whether currently or in the you know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: near pass that fits that yeah criteria, like Dallas is
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh is thing whatever? I mean, I mean, where do
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: you categorize Dallas. I mean, they've got the quarterback, they've
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: got everything at their disposal off and they just can't
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: get over that hump, you know, so like why do you.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: That's a different argument, but it's another example of what
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: you're talking.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: It's just like you can find examples to fit any argument.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Their problem isn't drafting, and their problem isn't the roster construction.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Their problem is the owner won't hire a coach that's
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: any good because you won't spend any money on it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I think we've had such an up
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: close look though, at the disparity in quarterbacks just between
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: you know, Drake May at third and Mac Jones and
• 46:53
  Speaker 11: talk about all the time. You could tell from day
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: one that Mac is going to be limited and no
• 46:58
  Speaker 11: matter what it looked like, sometimes he's going to struggle
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: to hit the deep out.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: With, you know, on a frozen rope. And then you
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: get Drake May and you just see the physical.
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: Talent that a top five pick has, that he has
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: every tool in the toolbox, and that his first glance,
• 47:12
  Speaker 11: you're thinking, God, if this kild could ever put it
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: all together, and lo and behold, now we're kind of
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: actually seeing that come to fruition.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: And nine times out of ten, the quarterback that can
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: hit the deep out on a frozen rope is drafted
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: in the top.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Any argument.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: But you know, like when you start drafting the quarterbacks,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: you know, fifteen twenty twenty five, that's Mac Jones, that's
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: can he Pickett? That's some accuracy like that those where
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: or it's like a Will Levis who has the physical
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: tools but doesn't have the accuracy, doesn't have it up here,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: you know, like it's that's the way, that's what you're
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: picking from.
• 47:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, and there's always going to be well
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: this random guy on day two, you know, like that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 11: always but you can't ever rely on that.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's ever a plan.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not a plan, not a plan that
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: happens happen. If Jackson dart ends up being like the
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: next big thing, then you know, good for Brian Dable
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: and Joe Shane and they kind of lucked into it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: It's really rare, honestly that they wanted Drake May.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: It happens very rarely that there's that middle ground of
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: like the guy that was drafted like twentieth Like usually
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: it's either the top five or it's like Jalen Hurts
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: right and Jimmy g There's like not a whole lot
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: of in between. There of like a guy that was
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: drafted twenty third in the first round and ends up
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: being a franchise quarterback. It's either late or early, and
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: there's really, you know, not a lot in between.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Carlos salt Lake, First off, Paul, I just want to
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: say you only slightly hurt my feelings with your terse
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: response from the short question Fred read from my email
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: about Henderson's usage. I've mostly recovered anyway. My actual question
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: is for Evan on Chisholm's eight or nine offensive snaps
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: last game, what was his role out there? Was it
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: mostly motioned decoy or did he have any design routes
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: or blocking responsible abilities? And do you think they might
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: be building toward using him more on offense as the
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: season goes on.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Well, they used him in a lot of three receiver sets.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I mean he blocked mostly. He's on the field for
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: like eight or nine plays, and I think he blocked
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: on six of them, like so he's mostly used as
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: a blocker. I think he only ran two routes off
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: the top of my head. But a lot of it was,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: you know, blocking was very able. WOU put it blocking force,
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: blocking safeties, blocking linebackers, play strength, you know, that sort
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: of thing. But they wanted to get three receivers on
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: the field and run out of eleven personnel because they
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: just liked that matchup against Tennessee's nickel package. So they
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: decided to go with Chisholm instead of going with Digs
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: or with Pop Douglas in that situation. So they went Booty, Chisholm,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: Hollins and they've kind of I assume they felt like
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: those were their three best run blocking receivers and that
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: was like most of the packages that he was on
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: the field in so long way to say blocking, but
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: I thought he wanted a little bit more, so I tried.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: It courteous of you.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: You're a really good block on a duo run that
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: Remandre bounced to fourteen yards. You're a really good block there.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I pointed out to Paul when it was happening real time.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, make sure you saw it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: A really good job of like not I don't remember
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: that either. Once once Remandra once the ball bounced and
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: Remondre started to run by him, of letting go, because like,
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: if you don't and the defender just reaches like this,
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: you're gonna get called for holding. So it was a
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: really good block. There's your block talk.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Jason in Connecticut. What's up Jason?
• 50:41
  Speaker 9: Hey, gentlemen, how are we doing today? So first of all,
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: I want to start with a little praise, because you
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: guys deserve it. I say this a few times, I've
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: called I've already said it, but Paul, you are my
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: absolute favorite force personality in the entire industry.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Personality.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Praise, Thank you.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Ja subscribed that go ahead.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: It's one of the nicest things anyone's ever said to me.
• 51:08
  Speaker 9: And you know that. I think I've been listening for
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: about fifteen years and the show I think is the
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: best it's ever been. Juice Evan, you had so much
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: Fred you're a king maker, like You've put together just
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: the asked little best show.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: So I have a couple of blown away by all
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: this praise.
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we're.
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: I I have a couple of questions that I think
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: Andy Hart would be asking right now if you know
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: a part of the show, and I'll take my answers
• 51:36
  Speaker 9: off air. But they're I think they're pretty reminiscent of
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: what he's saying back when he was a member of
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: the show. Worst question is is this a playoff team
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: or is it a team that will make the playoffs?
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: And my second ques will this season be a failure
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: if they don't win a playoff game? Pick my answer
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: at the air, thank you so much for everything you do.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those are two questions that Andy would probably ask. Yeah,
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: I would say definitively, no, it's not a you make
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs and lose
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: a game, I don't think it. I mean, it's disappointing, but.
• 52:15
  Speaker 11: Very disappointing, not a failure, especially if you're at home
• 52:17
  Speaker 11: and you magine, like, let's.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Just say, for arguments sake, you win the division and
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: you host the Pittsburgh at the audust how about the
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: surging Baltimore Ravens. Sure right, you're going to call that,
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: you know, a failure if you can't be a team
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: that was supposed to go to the super Bowl before
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: the season started but for a lot of different reasons
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: found themselves as the last wild card or whatever. You know, Yeah,
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: squeaked in not a failure. The first one I don't
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: think we have enough information on you. I mean before
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: a playoff team or a team that's going to make
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: the play.
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: I mean the way man is playing right now, I
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: would say that if he continues to play like that,
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: that should be a playoff team. You have an MVP
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: candidate playing at that kind of high level end.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: But I need to see him play against other teams
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: before I can.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: I think even if, even if they don't win a
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: playoff game. Though, like the beginning of this season, none
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: of us had any expectations, and we're like, a successful
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: season looks like a sizeable year two jump for Drake
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: May and I think we already.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: You took the words out of my mouth before the season.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Before the season, I said, you know, people, we had
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: the discussion for you what would be a successful season?
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: I said, for me, you're competitive in games, and you
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: in Drake May is knowing you have the knowing you
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: have the guy.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: But that can never change.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: No, but that's what I said before the season.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: No, No, but they're good at that.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: And no, but I would agree with that.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: But do you agree like.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: I think that there is a lot to be said
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: for proof of concept of winning a playoff game, like
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: I keep on going back to it, but like if
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: they make the playoffs, like the mac Jones Patriots made
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: the playoffs, and then.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: They get to be a disappointed and they get you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: their doors boarding off of them in the wildcard round.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's not forty seven to seventeen, but but they
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: weren't competitive, right, they didn't. They weren't ever going to
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: win the game. I do think that dad kind of
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: gets you into a position and of well, is this
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: who we are or where we actually a tend win team?
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: And like it are you.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: See that season? I wouldn't consider a failure for this team.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: It's not a failure. It's just it presents more uncertainty
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: going into the off season of like how good were
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: you really and like how far away are you really sure?
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: Versus if you want a playoffs way, I need.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: To know more before I can answer the first question
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: the second question. I don't think there's any way we
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: could say failure.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: No, not a failure. It's not a failure. It's just
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: you know, again going into next off season, like how
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: good do you feel about their roster and about not
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: necessarily about Vrabel, but about the.
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: Roster right, Like, how many times are the past couple
• 54:39
  Speaker 11: years when we went to seven teams in each conference,
• 54:41
  Speaker 11: do you feel like the seventh team is like this
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: is a flawed It's Steelers, like you know, the last
• 54:47
  Speaker 11: three years, they don't really have a chance. But you
• 54:50
  Speaker 11: know where we sit right now today And Paul, you
• 54:52
  Speaker 11: kind of rattled it off. Is there any team right
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: now that you'll be like, they don't have a chance
• 54:56
  Speaker 11: in the AC.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Like you know it, I'll put them up against anybody
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and see you.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, today, but I definitely change my opinion on that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Like Kansas City looks like they're going to be a
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: much different you know, in about a month than they
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: were the first month of the season.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:08
  Speaker 11: Sure, And Buffalo starts surgery and you got to go
• 55:10
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• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I won't be here, but I'll be back before picks.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Uh So, all right, yeah, taking a break.
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  Speaker 11: All right, we're excited to be joined this week after
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  Speaker 11: practice with Mike on when you Mike, thanks for stopping
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  Speaker 11: by here.
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  Speaker 1: Off the practice field. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 11: Look, you've been here a while, your sixth season. Now,
• 57:32
  Speaker 11: you've been through some ups and downs. Just what are
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  Speaker 11: the vibes like right now? You guys are want four
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  Speaker 11: games in a row. Seems like things are pretty positive.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the vibes are good. Horror Mission.
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  Speaker 13: You know, each week we're improving, looking at last week
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  Speaker 13: and trying to improve on last week and just really
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  Speaker 13: trying to be a better team. You know, as the
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  Speaker 13: week's going, you know, we got to improve and put
• 57:48
  Speaker 13: better tape out there.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the We had a good locker room
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  Speaker 4: video after that Tennessee when I know that meant a
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  Speaker 4: lot to Coach Rabels, and it seemed like it meant
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: a lot to you guys too, like the just the
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  Speaker 4: reactions of the on the all the players faces.
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  Speaker 3: What was that environment like for you?
• 58:04
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it was a great feeling. I think we all
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  Speaker 13: just embodied that win. I' suly it was for coach
• 58:11
  Speaker 13: Rabel and it was where he was before, so I
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  Speaker 13: mean we wanted that win badly, but also I mean
• 58:16
  Speaker 13: every week we want to wins, but that one specifically
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  Speaker 13: for Coach Rabel.
• 58:20
  Speaker 11: Want to ask you a little bout your offensive line.
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: You got two new guys, two new vets next year.
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: Me Morgan Mos he's like the pied piper in the
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: locker room, cracking me up. You know, what has it
• 58:29
  Speaker 11: been like with those guys, both on the field and
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: off the field. And Garrett, Yeah, it's been very solid.
• 58:33
  Speaker 11: On the field.
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: I mean it's been great playing next to Garrett and
• 58:36
  Speaker 13: Mo both smart players, both great players in the locker room.
• 58:41
  Speaker 13: I mean, is it's you know, it's fun all around.
• 58:43
  Speaker 13: You know guys that's been around, older guys, but you
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: know they've seen a lot and you know we can
• 58:47
  Speaker 13: pass out about a lot and just have fun.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: For the oil.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Is it.
• 58:50
  Speaker 11: I always felt like there's a little bit of a
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: period the beginning of the season. You need some time
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: for chemistry and kind of get to know each other
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: a little bit.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Is that Is that the case.
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: With like, you know guys like this now you played
• 58:58
  Speaker 11: you know, handful of games with them.
• 59:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I would say, I mean it's obviously you know,
• 59:03
  Speaker 13: as as an olne, you want to build that over time,
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: and you know before the season. I mean it comes
• 59:08
  Speaker 13: to spring, the summer and you know, working through camping
• 59:10
  Speaker 13: and all that. But you know it's been built up
• 59:12
  Speaker 13: and you know we've got a girt relationship everyone on
• 59:14
  Speaker 13: the line in a long room.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: So it's it's been good.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: So we talked to coach Vabel at this press conference.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: All the time he talks to us about turning the
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: page after the Monday following the game. So it's Cleveland
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: this week and obviously some some big names up on
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: that defensive line. What's what's the process been like preparing
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: for that group this week.
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, they have a good line, they have
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: a good defense overall, So I mean it's you know,
• 59:37
  Speaker 13: for us as an O line, we're focused on our
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: guys and our matchups. Like you said, they have a
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: bunch of great players, so you know, we're just going
• 59:44
  Speaker 13: to do our thing, focused, game plan and get ready
• 59:46
  Speaker 13: for the game.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: What have you seen from the rookie Mason Graham. I'm
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: just curious if you've got any interaction with him, you know,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: from from Michigan.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:55
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I went back a couple of times and we've spoken.
• 59:58
  Speaker 13: Always saw him and KG was a great player, you know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 13: coming out in the same year. I think he's going
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 13: to be a great player. But you know, to be
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 13: fun going against him.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 11: Like, what do you I got to ask you about
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: Drake just he is on a heater right now. What's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 11: it like for you as an offensive lineman You're blocking
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 11: for a player like that and you're you know, watching
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 11: the ball go down the field, scores all that.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm trying not to watch the ball, but it's fun.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 13: You know, you block and then you look back and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 13: you see the ball going over your head and just
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 13: you know, scoring on those it's like last week, but
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 13: it's fun. It's you know, is he electric? Playing with
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 13: Drake and you know you just never know what he's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 13: going to do.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 11: Hasn't been an adjustment at all for you playing with
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 11: a mobile quarterback like that over the last couple of seasons.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Not so much.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 13: I try to keep like on the same spot and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 13: just knowing where the quarterback is going to be at
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 13: least when he's throwing the ball. But you know, you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 13: can't account for stuff like that, but just always trying
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: to stay on my guy and just make sure he
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 13: doesn't affect a quarterback.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: I was exciting has it been for you guys? You know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: the last couple of years the offense has quite frankly struggled.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: But this year, you guys are moving the ball virtually
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: every game. You're putting points on the board, and just
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: how rewarding has that been?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 13: Part of it has been very just as an olon.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 13: I mean, you know, it starts with us. So when
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 13: the plays work, you know, it's we're obviously doing a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: good job. When they don't, you know, we got to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 13: do a better job. So that's been our main focus
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 13: every game. Just focusing on on our jobs as olon,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: creating lanes and creating space for rejected throw the ball.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: And what do you remember, you know, like what has
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: it been like with Josh, you know, back running this offense,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: and how has it been for you with the McDaniels.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I was saying it's I mean, I'm not gonna
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 13: say it's the same Josh. You know, he's the same guy,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: a great coach. So it's been fun getting back to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 13: work with him. And I think he's been bringing new
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: things to the table this year, into the playbook this year,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 13: which you know, as we've been seeing through the games.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: I mean we've been having some chunk plays, some electric
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 13: plays and you know, just throw the ball down the field.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Wrap it up. You guys have been on the road
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: for three weeks. You're finally back home.
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  Speaker 11: You know how important is it to get back home
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: and really establish this place as a home field event?
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  Speaker 3: Is very important?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 13: You know, it's uh we got to established one in
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 13: winning at home and uh, making teams feel that when
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 13: they come into.
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  Speaker 1: Our home Awesome, thanks, mine, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: History.
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  Speaker 4: Does that make any sense? I think the Patriots almost
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: stole one. They were in position to steal the game.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: They're on the twenty five yard line, up three with
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: five minutes. You've got to put that game. Well, I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: would say that they were better.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: But when you dropped the ball five six times, does
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: that make you the better team?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it means you were better. You just you just
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: didn't execute.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: So when you drop the ball makes you better? Yeah?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: They were they. I mean, these guys just told you
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: how open these guys were. You were lucky, you know.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: But if you drop the ball, you dropped the ball.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: That's that's a lack of execution.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: Right, he would have found four hundred.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: If you're better talented than the other team, Yes, you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: did what you wanted to do, more than they did
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: what they.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Wanted to do. I think they wanted to catch the ball.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: Did you ever see anybody so maddening as this?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Like, right, I know they wanted to make the field
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: goal to Fred, but the other guy blocked it. That's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: a bad that's bad execution exactly, right, So what like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: what are we doing?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: That's another great moment.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 11: All right, welcome back, and yes, the malcontents Fred Kersh
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: and Evan Lazar have left the show briefly, so we'll
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 11: have a little bit of piece here before picks.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: When I ever thought that I would remain on the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: set and somehow piece has been restored.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 11: I think my favorite part was when Paul would just
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 11: like to remind us, like I can play both sides,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 11: like I could, I could.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Go the.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: No, when Fred started saying you don't have to take
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: the quarterback or.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Had an easy start to the show, We're just hang out.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: That was fun.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: Evan very Fos was like the great uniter.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: She was like, you guys yourselves yourselves without even realizing
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: it started with you being like, well, friend, Chill, I'm
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: not going.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I mean not doing the whole.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: You don't need to take the quarterback in the first time.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 11: Maybe I need your advice all because sometimes I feel
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 11: like it said, when you're on the outside of an
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 11: argument and you don't really feel like you're in it,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 11: and then like is it annoying? Then with somebody from
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 11: the outside just comes in and it's like starts jumping
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 11: in with.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: You know, their take, and it's like you're not even
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: in the argument.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: So you were listening and you were staying on the outside,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: and I was sort of on the outside. But every
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: once in a while I would interject, Now, was it annoying? No?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 11: No, no, But but I felt like I would have
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 11: been with you and Fred and I, you know, and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 11: I felt Evan was kind of like, you know, that was.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to be. I kind of agree with you.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: Changed, Like I feel like we know Evan well enough
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: to know that, like when he's in.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: That certain tone, he's serious. Oh man, he just he
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: just took that octople.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 11: I would just say, I think Evan adores football and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 11: like the amount that he thinks about it and studies
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 11: it and.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: And I just think that's part of it, is because
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: he studies so much of the tape and the film
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: and you know, the draft picks. Like he's enamored with
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: the draft picks. You know, like it's always about what
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: you know, what potential might be around the corner. And
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: I think that's the way he looks at it.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: But I think we found some common ground. I think
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: we I think we put it behind us, but you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: never know.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 11: We'll see how things go next Tuesday when we get
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 11: back into it after the week. But let's so to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 11: the phones here, guys, so to bang this out before
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 11: we got got picks, right, I'm kind of excited about
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 11: let's go to I think it's Michael in Michigan.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, could also be Michelle.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Michael Michelle, good job, Duce felling Bread doesn't drop calls
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: somebody with my own name.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: It's definitely Michael.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 11: Oh, Michael, it's ae l a a right, let's go
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 11: about boat.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Not if it's Michael ray Rage.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: It's easy Bo South Carolina.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Hey Bo, Yeah, good job, Duce.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: Do you think they heard way for a second, they heard.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: My voice and they're like, no, Fred's not there.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with this.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: All right, We're going right down the line. Eric Lunenberg,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: come on, Eric, come through for me.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Eric.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: No, oh for three?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Duce ouch ouch.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: That really is what you push away from the Blackjack kid.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I'm not winning today.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: That's my that's my rule. I'm gonna jump over. You're out.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, call back if you really want to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: talk to us. I'll be back soon. Uh got one
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: from Jack, he says.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 11: My question, how can we get Trevion going against the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 11: Browns this week will be an interesting matchup seeing his
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 11: college teammate Judkins on the other side. Man he thought
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 11: Henderson was the better prospect in the pre draft process.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 11: It mirrors the Chubb Michell debate almost identically. Let's hope
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: you end up on the better side this time around.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 11: What do you think about that comparison, PAULI.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's similar. Yeah, yeah, you know, two teammates,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: different styles. Judkins was more of the traditional between the tackles,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: you know, lead back type, you know, early down type,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: and Henderson was a little bit more of a you know,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: kind of a third down, well rounded home run hitter,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: you know, get him on the edges, kind of similar
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: to the way we felt about Chubb in Michelle. Now,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: what we didn't know about Michelle at the time was
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: the injuries that he came into the league with, how
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: bad his knee was when he was drafted. So I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: don't think he was ever quite as dynamic as we
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: were led to be. Henderson is. We saw, We saw
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: the explosiveness in the summer, so hopefully there's still And
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: I agree, I think there's a chance that maybe, you know,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: Cleveland is a really tough run defense, So maybe the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: way you try to run the ball is a little
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: bit differently. Maybe it's you know, some draws out of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: the Spring had some you know, get to get to the.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Edges, use their aggressiveness against.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Correct you know. I think if you want to line
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: up and just run, you know, Bill Belichick used to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: say all the time, if you want to line up
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: and run your head into the into a brick wall,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: you know that, you know what I remember, like the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: famous Minnesota Monday Night game back on April five, six
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: ish Gabriel game. You know, it's like they got Pat
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Williams and Kevin Williams and the inside and no one
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: could run for a yard. And I think that they
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: ran Corey Dillon on the first down of the game
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: and he got nothing, and they just fifty times by
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: design that's how they wanted to do it.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: And then I talked a little bit with that on
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: the preview just maybe you know, screen game getting him
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 11: out in space a little bit. I think everybody would
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 11: like to see that. But Judkins has been pretty good.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, Judkins has been powerful, and he's like, to me,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: more reminiscent of Nick Chubby, you know who.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 11: Like the wheels just fall off the bus with these guys,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 11: does that make sense?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Well, he also had a major injured.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that one?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Blew out his knee, then whole knee, the whole knee.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 11: David writes in just honestly, I love watching you all.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 11: It's like watching family get together for the holidays every week,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 11: nothing but arguing it between. However, the analysis are The
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 11: analyses are fantastic, The people of analyzes very educational.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. In addition, Happy belated birthday to Alex.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 11: I turned thirty one before Alex was born, and life
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 11: continues to be fantastic. Keep it going, life, goods, good year.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: That life doesn't end after thirty Alex.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Don't worry.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 11: And I think you saw this email, Alex. Someone sent
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 11: in their wedding cake. This Morgan from South Dakota. We
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 11: alady got married and had a Patriots theme wedding cake.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 11: Here's a picture of fantasy question should I start Drake
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 11: versus Cleveland or Baker versus New Orleans Drake? Also, what
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 11: do you think about the fourth, fourth, and fifteenth possibility
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 11: replacing the onside kick?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: We talked a little about that.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't love it.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I don't love it either.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: Subscribe to the newsletter to see that wedding cake.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, did you have any Patriots stuff at your wedding call?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 11: I know you were working, so that's probably bringing work.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Patriots the wedding.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: The only thing I had is our entrance music was
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: crazy train okay when the wedding party got okay.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like if Evan had a bigger wedding, he would
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: have something.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: It would have been like an all twenty two thing.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: But I didn't have anything in terms of likeation.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: What was it garter? Yeah, he garter. That was the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: little Patriots thing. So you know the tradition were you
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: take the garter off there? It was the Patriots.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't do that.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't do that tradition. Did they still do that tradition?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: For sure?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: I haven't. None of my friends have had it, and
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: god knows i've been to.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, but we didn't do the whole god thing.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, even the bouquet. You don't see as much. I
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: like the bouquet.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, she she threw it from like up top too.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: It was like it was like a salcony and she
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: threw it.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I think in any of those situations, though, there were
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: at least two girls who really want it. They really
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: want it bad.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: Which always amazes me because this no guys. I've seen
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: guys literally go up. Then I've I've been one of them,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: like hands and pockets that this thing is the only
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: way I could possibly get is if it sticks to me.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: The girls are like getting ready to elbow each other.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: And I did have a girlfriend that caught the bouquet one.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Double faced palm on that one, and then you broke
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: up with her not long after.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: All right, I'm not saying that was or wasn't the reason.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 11: But it was like, I gotta cut this loose, go
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 11: back to the phones. Of course, Patty, always great to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: hear from you on a non game day. How are
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 11: things during the week for you.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Terrible?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 15: So I'll just say a couple of things scare me
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 15: in this game. Number one is Miles heard obviously Hall
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 15: the same player, And I think the tit ands are
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 15: pretty good, like Sannon is quietly having a good rookie season,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 15: and of course and Jokos as a decent player. And
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 15: that's what we've seen that we've we've struggled against all
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 15: a year long. Is covering the middle of the field.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 15: So just a couple of things that I worry about,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 15: But I don't think it's going to be enough those
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 15: two variables. Fella, Cleveland win. I got our pass win
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 15: in this week, twenty seven to ten.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice, Patty. It's kind of where I'm at too.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 11: But I'd just love to see the defense choke out
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 11: a bad offense from minute one to minute sixty.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: That's my biggest thing. I know everybody is looking to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: see what the offense looks like against the good defense.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: I just think offenses generally move the ball when they're
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: good offenses. I'm more curious to see if they can
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: take one of these bad offenses and make them look
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: like a bad offense.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah, right out of the gate, right out of the game,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 11: don't give just you know, ten for ten, first drive
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  Speaker 11: right down the field, didn't even face a third down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm over those. Go out to Cali. Hate Tim, what's
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody?
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  Speaker 10: Happy delated birthday there, Alex. Give you some hope at
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 10: the age of thirty four. I actually moved to Austraia
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 10: for a couple of years, so you're not dead yet.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 10: But the reason I was Colin was. I was scurious, Paul,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 10: if you do get to talk to Logan or like
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 10: any of the former O linemen like David Andrews, like,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 10: I think, curious to get their take on Garrett Wilson
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 10: and also Marcus Bryant's development, because I think a lot
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 10: of the nuanced Alex pointed out, you know, see the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 10: draft person you know, free agency things is player development,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 10: and I think those two are very young people who
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 10: have a great upside with their athletic ability. And I'd
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 10: love to hear what you know some of those guys
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 10: opinions are on the development of the O line.
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  Speaker 4: And Will Campbell yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 10: And well I think will personality mirror Logan's a lot.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 10: I remember reading an article when they drafted Logan Mankins
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 10: out of Present of the State. Yeah, he was to
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 10: step on people in college.
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  Speaker 4: Well just very soft spoken, quiet guys, but intense. Yeah,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: I mean I could I see, I see you comp
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: there in terms of their personalities. Now, I think, actually.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 10: When when when he when he gets interviewed, he's very
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 10: thoughtful in all of that. I haven't heard any really
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 10: thing from Marcus Bryant yet, but I would be curious
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 10: on your take on those guys.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: In the Futuressim.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we do get a chance every once
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: in a while to see David Andrews. He was in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: the last home game, he was in the office. I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: think it's also a little bit tough for those guys.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, they just especially Andrews, he just came out
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: of that locker room, you know, so I don't ye
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: not telling you. He's not telling you what he really thinks.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: But I'm not sure he's telling you what he really thinks.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 11: It's just so funny to go to see these guys
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 11: go from the locker room and being a player, and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 11: you feel, you know, there's kind of like a dividing line,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 11: and you don't really know how these guys view us
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 11: and the media generally and what we do. And then
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 11: all of a sudden their career ends and they're right
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 11: in it with us and doing the same kind of analysis,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 11: and you know, it's just asking the same questions and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 11: you know.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Tweet hey Patriots fans, what are you thinking about? I'm like,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: this is just bizarre, Like, you know, you were in.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 11: The locker room, you know, actually on the team not
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 11: too long ago, and now you know, here we are
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 11: all covering this sport.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: And he's doing it with a former teammate, which is
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 8: even funnier too, because horror is a little more removed.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: But still, yeah, I mean this, that's another part of it.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 11: That like when if your team gets good, it's like
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 11: it's not only good for the good players, it's good
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 11: for guys like bot Zolac and Brian Hoyer and you
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 11: know guys who just you know Brian Hoyer maybe you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 11: know he's known in Cleveland a little bit, but you know,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 11: these guys become known names around here.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: David Andrews.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 11: Everybody knows and loves David Andrews, and it's an easy,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 11: you know, transition, especially in Boston. I don't know if
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 11: that happens everywhere. I would guess to some extent, but
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 11: I don't local.
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  Speaker 4: Stuff I think is there's a lot. I mean, if
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: you listen to like the radio broadcast, almost all of
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: them have a former players the color analyst. But what
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: the Patriots did was to so many you know, Rodney Harrison,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: Teddy Bruski, Uh, you know Gronk Uh, Gronk Edelman.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: You know, they become national guys.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: You know, the mccordy Twins, like because of their ties
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: to the Patriots, I think, you know, their popularity around
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: the league is pretty evan. I mean Keith Evans. Heith
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: Evans was on NFL Network for a while. Willie McGinnis,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: you know these guys. I don't think that just every
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: team gets all of those, but I think when you win,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: like the Patriots did for twenty years, those names become household,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: household names, and they get opportunities.
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  Speaker 7: Especially if you're talented, like I think the excellent.
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  Speaker 3: And I say that unbiased.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure which one, but one of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: them is better than the other one. Wow, So I'm
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: not sure it might be Jason, because they do different.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: Jason makes fun of Devon all the time by saying
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: that he's better he's on the network, and Devin's more
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: of a studio guy. So like that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: They're funny.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: They're in the studio guys. Set up to New Hampshire. Hey, justin,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: thanks for calling in, Maria Taylor, Justin London, Barrison London Berry, damn,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: so much was about to go off the rails. Here
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: we go, here, here she comes the Nico.
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  Speaker 7: I need to take a picture of this.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, the Nico what's up?
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  Speaker 10: Hello the guys.
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  Speaker 12: I actually just wanted to jump on quickly to which
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  Speaker 12: my best friend Alex a happy belated birthday.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks Nico, love you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Nico. Any any questions about the Patriots.
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  Speaker 7: Are you sad you're not still here now that we're winning?
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  Speaker 9: No, because I'm going to Florida right now, so I'm
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 9: living the life.
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  Speaker 1: Oh all right, Nico. Well, thanks for Colin.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I miss you guys.
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  Speaker 10: Hopefully I'll see you soon.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Nico. Thanks bye.
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  Speaker 7: I talk to her every day.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: She still calls it pice for she kicking in on
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: you know. Uh. Email here from Christian from Virginia.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 11: Kick returns are looking a bit flat with Chisholm, and
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 11: I'm wondering why we don't have Travon Henderson back there.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 11: I understand we don't want to risk losing more running
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 11: back depth, but he's not getting in any offensive touches.
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  Speaker 1: We drafted him with a high second round pick.
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  Speaker 11: We need to get him on the field, and if
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 11: they don't like him at running back right now, they
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 11: might as well have him returning kicks. I definitely don't
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 11: don't disagree about the kick returns being a little flat.
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  Speaker 8: But I do disagree with like getting him on the field,
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  Speaker 8: because I think he's been on the field.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like last week, it was definitely pulled
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 11: back that I think Brabel said we felt like Romandre
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 11: was rolling a little bit and we kind of wanted
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 11: to stick with him. But we've talked about a plenty now.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 11: They just it's gonna be hard to get through the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 11: rest of the season. Just Romandra Stevenson a sprinkling of
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 11: Travon Henderson when you absolutely have to hopefully he improves
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 11: it again. I just keep going back to James White,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 11: and you know, as much as this kid was billed
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 11: as he's coming ready to pass protect.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: In the NFL, it's there's been a learning carve for him.
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  Speaker 11: And Evans talked about how complicated it is, so you know,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 11: I just I think we need a little bit of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 11: patience with him. I still have a lot of confidence that,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 11: you know, James White was nowhere close to what James
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 11: White was, you know, in twenty fifteen, and then the
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 11: year later he's scoring multiple times in the Super Bowl.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 11: So I get it though, and I think they I mean,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 11: and this is a great example of how it hurts
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 11: when you lost Antonio Gibson and not only hurt the
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 11: running back depth, but now you've got to protect Henderson
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 11: a little bit, and it kills both your lead kickoff returners.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 11: So I get the idea, but they got to find
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  Speaker 11: a way, find a way to get both those.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Positions back up and running at a plus level.
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  Speaker 4: Plus plus, let's plus, we're gonna plus it up a
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: little bit.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Do you want to listener on?
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  Speaker 11: Listener Crime from Cody Cody and Indiana. Hey, guys, so
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 11: Captain Moron in La starts off his call saying, you
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 11: have to draft in the top half for three years
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 11: to build a team.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: So Rabes, here's the plan.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 11: I need you to lose the rest of the games
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 11: this year and then lose about ten or eleven next year,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 11: and then do that again in twenty twenty seven.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: That is the only way we can be a good team.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Good Lord, I swear this.
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  Speaker 4: I says, ass hat I wouldn't.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't. Is just trolling. Hang up the phone sooner, Fred,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: that's from Cody and Indiana. So Director's thoughts to him, Christian.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you know we all yeah, I
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: mean we all get it.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've exhausted that one right, Hey, Eddie and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: LA's got a good one.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: You'll like, Paul, I have a trade idea tight end Isaiah.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: Likely ever time.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't see that happening.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: They're not going to unload one of their young.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say they might unload Mark Kansas right.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: But again, I think there's a an element of whistling
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: past the graveyard among the AFC teams. Like Baltimore is dead.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: I just you got to kill that team before I
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm talking about They're eliminated from postseason contention. Dead,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: Like do you think it would be out of the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: remo possibility that they could like win eight of the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: next ten.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: No. In some ways, I feel like this is the adversity.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe they finally need to like split that switch. And
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: but if you had to.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 11: Bet right now between Buffalo, Baltimore and Kansas City, who
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 11: would you say your money will be on to go
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 11: to farthest.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: In the playoffs?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: Buffalo for me?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: Buffalo, I think, But right now Kansas City has played
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: the best.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Kansas City.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: I think Kansas City is still a little a little flawed.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: But if you're asking me if Buffalo and Kansas City
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: are playing in the AFC Championship Game. I'll take Kansas
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: City into otherwise.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 11: I know it was Paul, You'll you'll have good perspective
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 11: on this because I feel like with Kansas City the
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 11: last few years, there's been like moments where people feel
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 11: they can bury them a little bit. There have been
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 11: injuries or there's just you know, they've had a you know,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 11: this year a great example, they had a you know,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 11: bad record start. But yeah, I don't think they started
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 11: great the last two years. Maybe I'm wrong on that
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 11: last show they went Okay, that's not not But wasn't
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 11: there like a feeling of like they.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Won a bunch of one win games, one score games.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 11: And like they were kind of winning Like were the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 11: Patriots always like that? Like were the Patriots every year
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 11: when they were you know, kicking everybody's butt? Did it
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 11: come in like this is the year to get the Patriots?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Like I don't really.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 11: Remember them really having I mean maybe because I wasn't
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 11: like in it, like you guys, they.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: Had years that weren't as good as others, and some
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: of them ended up with Super Bowls and some of
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: them didn't, you know, like I thought there were there
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: were times where they looked vulnerable, like you know, five
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: oh six, you know, oh, I saw real flaws.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Oh nins ten to eleven had real flaws, you.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, you know, and fourteen people were openly wondering
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: nationwide if they were any good anymore. Trent Dilfer, you know,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: they're not good anymore. And then the two and two
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: and yeah, don't go on and win the super Like.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 11: I just I'm wondering if this stuff is real or
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 11: if this is kind of created by us because you're
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 11: just kind of sick of the Chiefs winning and everybody
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 11: wants it to be like, well, what's who's the next Dyne?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Is he going to be?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 11: And I think we've seen over the course with many
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 11: different sports that people get sick of the same team
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 11: winning over and over.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: And I agree with that, and I just would say
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: it's real that there's some vulnerability. Like when people were
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: wondering if the Patriots were quite as good, you know,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: as they had been in the past. They weren't wrong.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: What they underestimate is sort of that culture that comes
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: with it. This is why I think your boy Kyle Brandt,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: Kyle Brandt, right, Yeah, he had a whole rant two
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: weeks ago when Kansas City was playing Detroit. Bury them. Now,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: step in their throat, don't let them breathe, don't give
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: them life. Now's your chance. The rest of the league
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: has Kansas City on the ropes. Yeah, put them out
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: of their misery. Otherwise. Now, all of a sudden, two
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: weeks later, people are looking at Kansas City as the
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: team to beat in the AOC. They could have been
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: two and four. Now. I would not have buried them
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: at two and four either, but I understand what what
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: Kyle's yeah, you know, point was, you have a chance
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: to make it, make them have to go the long way,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe make them a wild card. Now, would
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: you be surprised that they end up winning the division?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 11: With San Diego Los Angeles banged up. I mean they're
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 11: floundering a little bit, all right. Hopefully we get Fred
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 11: back soon so we can do picks.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: We gotta hurry. Hey Kendall, what's going on?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Guys?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: Hey Kendall?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: Hey, I appreciate you shirts?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: Nice?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he got his, he got his shirt, actually got him.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: Email me and let me know that. Yeah, I'm glad.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: I'm glad Matt got them out.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: To you, good job Matt learned how.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: To millstone and also on what games down the streets
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: and I'll take it off, thank you.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: What games down the stretch? Could we see what split?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: Let's just pretend that's what it was.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: We hung up.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Should we see them slipping up losing?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 11: I mean I have a hard time talking myself into
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 11: the Jets in Miami. I know, you're like, they could
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 11: go those three are are still on the table with
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 11: those three to me kind of feel like you really
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 11: got to have.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: To lay an egg in those ones.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: I think that they could lose one of the games
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: to the Jets. I don't see them losing at home
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: to Miami. The Giants game, I think could be a
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: oh thank you, sneaky, tough game.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: I like to see how Yeah, I want to see
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: how the Giants respond to their collapse sometimes, you know,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: bad teams, Yeah, lose a game like that. I'll go
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: back a year. Okay, four and two of the Chicago
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Bears were in Washington, you know, ten seconds away from
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: going five and two, and they like never won again.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: They think they won one more game out they gave
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: up that Hail Mary and their season just unraveled and
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: they I think they won one game the rest of
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: the season like that. I could see that happening to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: the Giants. The Giant should have won that game Sunday.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: They had a chance to have some little momentum, you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: continuing the little bump they've gotten from Jackson Dart. Would
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: you be stunned if they got boat raced by the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: Eagles this week in Philly? And really it's surprising you,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: I know, Well, I just thought it's a little peek
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: into the picks that are coming up.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 11: Well, I would just say, like, as brutal as it
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 11: was to lose that way, I also feel like, shoot,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 11: you have to take some positives from that that you
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 11: went into Denver.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: It's a hard place to play. They play every game
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: there and you know, and we're in it.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: The foreshadowing of the picks definitely disappointing the way that
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: it all went down, and you know, they had it
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: and then they didn't, and then they had it and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: then they didn't.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 11: But I've never seen I didn't see a Patriots four
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 11: win team play a game like that.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Over the last year.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: It was like served on a silver platter for them
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 8: to win, like they're just last few plays of the game.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 8: They're just chucking a deep ball towards the end zone.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 8: It doesn't work. They do it on fourth down and
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: they get a DPI call and you're on the what
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 8: one yard line? And then Sean Payton gets a penalty
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 8: and then you're liket like yeah.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 11: And when you're a young team, I think that's you know,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 11: you you give yourself a little bit of grace in
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 11: those games of like, well, shoot, we can score points,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 11: we can move the ball quick, we can you know again,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 11: I just go back to that point.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: That game will be more difficult.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: It's funny you thought it would.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: Have been like say, a month ago.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 8: Yes, even like if you ask us at the beginning
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 8: of the season, look at the schedule and say like,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: are you more worried about playing the Giants or going
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 8: to Buffalo and playing against Buffalo?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: And right, you know, but yeah, that's what that's That's
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: kind of what I'm saying now. It's like, we look
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: at a game like that a billion there's no way
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: the Giants are going to beat you. All of a
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: sudden they look different.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what did I miss anything?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 11: Took some calls, talked a little bit we Mike and Fred.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: He took three straight calls Fred and got nothing but
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: dial times.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Literally you could hear him hang up as soon as
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: I they heard my.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: They wanted no part of talking to Mic. It's really
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: kind of embarrassing. Fred left. I got no issues. I
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: got no interest.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 11: I'd say though, for me, generally, pretty much every game
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 11: is just it's it's gonna be.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: I mean the games we know, we know, Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincy, Tampa,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: those games I think everybody would consider those are difficult games.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: You know, they you know, but out of the games
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: that quote unquote you'll you know, be expected to win,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: the Giants is one that I would say might be a.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Little more gas rushers, you know what I mean.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 11: They got they got guys I mean who are really
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 11: good athletes off the.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: Edge, so you know, but fortunately it's at home. Yeah,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: like a Monday night at the meadow Lands, I think
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: would be the Giants seem to be they say, yeah,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: they seem to play well in those kinds of spots.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 11: I just I think you can take confidence from that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 11: game in Bove as much as they get over the
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 11: way it ended. And like again, like do you ever
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 11: remember the Patriots playing a game like that where you
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 11: know it with the Patriot.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Games that they would win would be like, oh man,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: they other team made some mistakes.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 11: We grinded out seventeen points and we won seventeen fourteen,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 11: not you know, we were going up and down the field.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 11: Then they went up and down the field, you know,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 11: like those I see positives as young team.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, that would be a good sign for Brian
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: Dable if he's able to do it. But I could
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: absolutely see them winning another, like one more game the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: rest of the year, because sometimes those are the game
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: we way the same old giants. It ain't happening for
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: us this year, no, Malik. I do think they're better
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: though in terms of talent, I mean that defensive front.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 11: There'll be some buzz next year with they get Neighbors
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 11: back and then they you know, Dart year two, depending
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 11: on how it.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Goes the rest of the way. But yeah, they'll have
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: a little choice next year.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: NFL dot Com changed the way they do their schedule.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: They don't list like Universe and all that stuff anymore.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: So I don't I'm you're gonna have to scramble.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Look, you want me to bring out a sheet.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: All right, it's that time. So Paul, how did we
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: do last week?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: Alex tops the list yet again twelve and three, Wow,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: very good, followed by Mike at eleven and four.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: Against the spread, Paul and.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Fred ten and five, and Evan didn't obviously have a
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: top five draft pick. He's trying to get picked.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: He's building for the future.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: It writes itself, it's too good. So season standings are
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: as follows. Alex seventy two to thirty five and one,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: followed by Fred at seventy thirty seven and one, Mike
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: sixty eight, thirty nine and one, Paul no longer in
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: last place sixty three forty four and one, and Evan
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: sixty forty seven and one in his winning so with
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: the spread, Fred ten and five, followed by Alex and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: Paul at nine and six, Mike and Evan at eight
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: and seven. So the spread, Fred just continues to run
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: away with it sixty one and forty seven, follow by
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: Paul now in second place fifty four and fifty four.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: The way adequate in my mediocrity, or as I like
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: to say, my adequition.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: You wereway. I was fack And.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: You know what, I had a really good week going,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: and I took two upsets on Monday night and missed
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: them both as a killer. So I'm second fifty four
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: and fifty four, Alex fifty two and fifty six, Evan
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: forty nine and fifty nine, and Poopy Pants forty seven
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: and sixty one.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Right back two back, two out of the gutter.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: All right, So that's where we stand.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: That's where we stand. Okay, So we start with tonight
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: on Prime. It's the three and three Vikings at the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: four and three Chargers.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: Anybody have any injury information? The Charger is getting anybody back?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: No Chargers are faired by three and a half. I
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: know that Wentz is playing again for the Vikings. But
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: the Chargers just that offensive line that that poor guy
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: that is it Decaloss deculous ye trying it. He's like
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: their fourth tackle and he's like limping all over the place.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: They are just losing linemen like you read about.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well that's what really interests me with Brian Flores
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 11: and how aggressive he is and what I would row
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 11: with this offensive line. You know, Chargers still have the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 11: quarterback advantage, and I love like the out of division,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 11: out of conference road game.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: You know, the travel away. I'm torn. I think I'm
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna take the Chargers, but I'm gonna take
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: the Minnesota hook. Take the point the three and a
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: half with Minnesota. I think it's good use of the hook.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Might I nailed it right?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: You didn't.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Only took me six years.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: So the Vikings are getting three and a half. Correct.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with Vegas and just take the Chargers
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: both ways.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: Oh boy, I'm gonna do the mic thing. I'm gonna
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: take the Chargers to win, but I will take the hook.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: I am really struggling in these Thursday night games. I
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: haven't really gotten many of them, right, I'm.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Struggling with the Chargers and the Vikings this year. I
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: don't know who they are. I thought the Chargers would
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: be a little bit better. They've lost a couple of games.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: You can't lose the amount of players they have.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: Thought, Okay, yeah, I'm not really affected by it. I
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: just look at the feel of the league. I don't
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to get a field. It's hard to
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: get a field for these teams, but I think it's
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: because of so many problem personnel losses.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm going to stick with the idea that
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh is a good head coach, not that the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: Vikings guy and Kelly he's pretty good too. But at home,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: I got to take the Chargers here. I think they'll
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: cover the three and a hay all right, all right, Sunday.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: This is at one o'clock. It's the one and six
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: Dolphins at the three and three.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: Falcons, Atlanta by seven and a half.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 11: Paul, Sorry for this later information, but just to let
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 11: you know, Harbos said it would come down to game
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 11: day if Joe Alt and Trey Pipkins, their two starting.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Tackles, would be available both our question and.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Just you know, Pipkins is back up. He's the third tackle.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: But he would be because he next places Slater.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 11: Yeah, right, right, right, Okay, Sorry, back to the matter
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 11: at hand.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: But good info, good, great, excellent info.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 11: I think Atlanta is a different team at home inside,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 11: and I think Miami is a different team on the road.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 11: And they're also not doing great. Every time two it
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 11: get steps up to a microphone, I'm gonna take I'm
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 11: gonna take Atlanta. It seems like Miami is in a
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 11: free fall, about to be in a free fall in whatever.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: They are not making any moves anytime soon though. Atlanta
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: both ways.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, please me too.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, Normally I wouldn't like to with a team
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: like the Falcons be laying that amount of points, but
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take Atlanta both ways.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: Miami is just yea in a bad way.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the Falcons could get caught looking ahead
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: like that. I knew that you would. I can always
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: tell when you look at me first that something's coming.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: But I will go with the Falcons. I think they
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: take care of business. The Dolphins are just I don't
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: know what's going on there, but if mister Capripants makes
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: it through the season, that'll be White defeat all right,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: one o'clock on Sunday the four and two Bears at
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: the one in five Ravens. I know Lamar started practicing
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: this week.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he practiced yesterday.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: But Baltimore is favored by six and a half.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Oh jeez wow.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: So what are the sharps that Baltimore is good?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: Are they? Is he going to play? So do they
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: know that?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: I would have said that he practiced, he's going to play.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: So that line tells us that he's going to play.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: I'm going to assume that he's playing. Okay, I do
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: not have any information on that, so I don't want
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: to I'm not holding out on you guys. I just
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: he practiced. My guess is he's he going to play?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 11: Lamar questionable, Call Hamilton questionable, DJ more questionable, DeAndre Swift questionable.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Uh, that's an interesting game to me?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 11: Is I think Baltimore's defense has been really really bad,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 11: and you know, I think Ben Johnson knows how to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 11: try to take advantage the advantage of those kind of things.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: You guys, I'm going with Chicago on this one.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: Who you guys.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 7: Shoot, I'm tempted to take the upset to but I
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: feel like.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 8: This would be the week where I see like the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 8: Ravens have to get better at some point, So I'll
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 8: take the Ravens to win the Bears to cover. Although
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: I did see something on the Twitter x about a
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 8: girl hiring an Etsy wish to put a curse on
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 8: the Ravens because her ex was a Ravens fan and
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 8: she did this in early September.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: And she like on Etsy.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: I know the I.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 8: Guess witches put their services on Etsy.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Team that seems unfair.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: Tots Witch, I'm sorry.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Did you take Baltimore Baltimore Bears cover Chicago to cover? Okay?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: I wrote down the wrong team to cover. Okay. I
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: am going to take Baltimore both ways. I just believe
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: in the talent and I know that they're banged up.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: I know they've had a lot of issues. At some point,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: they got to stop playing better. But man, what I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: love to see because you know, I have a little
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: defense mechanism for Caleb Williams. I'd love to see him
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: go on the road and win a game like this.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I'm tempted to take the Bears as well,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna hedge my bed. I'll say that they
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: it's a lose cover. Yep, right, that's what else lose cover,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: La lose cover.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: I'm glad that you reminded me of that Fred's guarantee
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: lose Louck cover of the week hit hit there you go, there,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: you got the Giants and they did cover.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: Oh God, by the skin of their teeth.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: He knew. He wasn't even worried. Watching the game is
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: just like it'll be well.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: They had a nineteen point lead.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: He was cruising right away. Yeah, all right. So one
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: o'clock on Fox, it's the four and two Bills at
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: the four and three Anthers.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: Buffalo by seven. No Bryce Young, but Andy Dalton, who's
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: a regular rico. Do you know, it's not like they're
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: playing with a stiff backup. He's a veteran back had
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: some experience in the league.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna go Buffalo, and I'm gonna lay the points.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 11: I think I kind of feel like you feel about
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 11: Baltimore with them. They just they gotta get in gear
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 11: and start blowing doors.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: Buffalo, Buffalo.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: I I just don't think Carolina is any good. But
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: you know, win this game.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Four teams that were beg to differ.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: You win this game, and you know, I have to
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: eat my words. I'll take Buffalo.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Dalton gets has a lot of pressure
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: this game. I think he's gets sacked at least four
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: times in the game. So I think the Bills win.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: The window is still closing, absolutely, but they win the Absolutely.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: They win this game and they cut One o'clock on
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: CB it's the oh to seven Jets at the three
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: and four.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: Bengals Cincinnati by six and a half.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: Joe Flacco just a great story.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: It's just the greatest, greatest it old guy, I like.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 11: Did you see the press conference with him talking about
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 11: like being the only guy, like a single guy.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 8: Guys eating by themselves and feel bad for them?
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: Now I get it.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Oh those guys are those guys are living life. Uh.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: I think Flacco at home keeps it going.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 11: Jets are similarly ad disaster guessing it's going to be
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 11: Tyrod Taylor.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: We'll wait for Woody Johnson on that one. But I'll
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: take Cincinnatilia the points one.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 7: More time for the spread six and a half. I'll
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 7: take the elite Joe Flacco both ways.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take Cincinnati both ways too. I think
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: and I mentioned this last week, and they ended up
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: one of the rare things that I got right.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 12: I thought.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: I thought Cincinnati looked like themselves in the second half
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: of that game, act green.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: Just like Joe Flacco.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: I do. And I think this is the and he
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: you know, as he said, if you can't find a
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: way to get those two guys involved, and you're not
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: doing it right, right, it's not about Flacco. It's about
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: there down there somewhere Cincinnati.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to take the Jets to cover, lose,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: but cover.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: Uh, they a tough one for you.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: They still have a good defense, but uh, I think
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: that they stay within six songs.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: Might be out. Oh yeah, okay, possible.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: I'll again, I go with the field. I go with
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: the field, and like, I can't go.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: It's a tough game for you. Hate that game?
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, I hate them both? Can they both lose.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: A lot of hate involved in that.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I feel that the Jets will cover this game.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Wilson and Hall both questionable needs.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: Wow, Oh Garrett Wilson, I believe it's out. I don't
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: think he's going to play. I thought Sauce was hurt too.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: It thinks might be in the concussion proto call cha yeah, based.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: On the X Sauces and concussion protocol, but says questionable concussion.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just like it bangles both ways.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: But now you're gonna yell at me.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Now we're no, no, no, it's new information.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: I was just trying to give you the information that
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: I knew.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 7: I don't want to the whole round of the pick.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: So it's yeah, but I'm just worried about the Jets covering.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: And then he don't you said he wasn't playing he
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: had three picks.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds just like.
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  Speaker 3: One o'clock on Fox, the five and two forty nine
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  Speaker 3: Ers at the two and four Texans.
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  Speaker 4: Houston by one and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Hous Oh boy. So really, I'm checking checking some of these.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody's got to be hurt here.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Heard personal a lot of niners.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: They were all hurt last week and they won.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I just as long as Christian McCaffrey's healthy, I feel
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 11: like they get the ball in his hand.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take San Francisco and they have set on
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: the road.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 7: Me too.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll lose another one. Give me Houston.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: Really, just like I did last week, I'm gonna go
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: with the text. I mean, the forty nine ers in
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: this one one o'clock on Fox, the two and five
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: Giants at the five and two Eagles.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: Philly by seven and a half.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: That's a lot.
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  Speaker 11: As pre viewed earlier, I'm gonnake Philip you win, but
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna take those points for the Giants. I just
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 11: think Jackson Dart, little little feisty, they'll keep it close.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: Eagles. Yeah, yeah, give the points to the Giants.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take the Eagles to win going away.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: I'll take them both ways. I think those games are
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: hard for young teams to overcome. And and Billy just
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: lost to the Giants. I think they have that on
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: their minds as well.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: I like the Eagles big Yeah, me too. I don't
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: think that. I mean you could say, oh, the Giants
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: are going to be motivated, you know, because of what
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: happened Stable broke a chair in the locker room, which
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: I heard about.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean that would be another, a
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: different way of responding. I kind of I likened it
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: to the Bears last year, Fred when they lost that
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: Hail Mary game to Washington and then kind of never
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: won again.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: Yep, that happens, does But I'm gonna I'm gonna take
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: the Eagles all right. Now, we skip over the Patriots
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: at one o'clock and we moved to four h five.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: It's the five and two Buccaneers on Fox against the
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: one and six.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: Saints Tampa by four and a half.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Another team might be looking ahead a couple of weeks.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: Baker's already thinking about it.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: Probably that's why it's kneeers.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take.
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  Speaker 11: I'm gonna take Tampa the bank, bounce back against the
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 11: division opponent.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: I will lay the points me too.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: I think they had a terrible offensive performance Monday night,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: and I think they bounce back from it.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: Me too. Buccaneers four five, the three, three and one
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Cowboys travel guess where to Mile High for the Broncos
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: for their eighth home game this season.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: The five and two Broncos.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: You know I used to give Freddy. I used to
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: give Freddy some pushback on that. Right, every game they
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: play is at home.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: It is Broncos by three and a half.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: We got the footage of my helmet, you know, just
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: to remind you.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: The footage the el you know what I'm married.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Is shoot.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 11: This is a tough one man, two good offenses. Uh
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 11: you know it probably moved the ball. But I'm gonna
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 11: you know, went in doubt Denver at home. I'm gonna
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 11: lay the points.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna take Denver at home.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: But I I live dangerous.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 8: Huh yeah, I'm gonna hedge a little.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: I am not going to hedge. I I will take
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: the Broncos to win. And that defense is is pretty good.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: So you don't have to say I'm gonna take the
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: Broncos at home. That's redundant.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those two column deductive proofs that you used to
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: have to do in like geometry. You know this is
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: a given.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: But after I love after the last.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: Game, I said, no one ever anywhere.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: After what the Broncos did to the Giants. In the
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: words of Kevin Garnett, their whole team is saying anything
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: is possible. So they went they win this game.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: Broncos.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: Broncos win. Yep uh fo on CBS the one and
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: six Titans at the six and one Colts flying high.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: Best record in the NFL.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Colts by fourteen.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Oh lord folk, lordie.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Well we just saw Tennessee play. Hude.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 11: I'm a little tempted to take the points just because
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 11: it's a division game and but it's at Indy, and
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 11: I feel like that. Jonathan Taylor, man, he's a nightmare.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 11: He is one one piece of running back. I'm gonna
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 11: lay the freaking points. I can't believe it, but yeah,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 11: me too.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: Oh do I try to steal one?
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: I do feel about cam word last week?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, at home? I think that they get some
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: some turnovers too. Yeah, I'm gonna take Indy La the
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: play folks.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey he might be questionable.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: I mean hopefully, I mean he should be fresh. He
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: only played twelve plays because I think the.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: Only chance they have is to break owns.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 11: The first listed is questionable right now, Listen is questionable.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Same with Ridley.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: What did he roots for? I'm not rooting for it.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying that that's that's the way they win,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: not the quarterback out, not the old school football.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: Especially Anthony Richardson's not even available.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: You've got seeds on iron. They had to put sneed
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: on iron after last week.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what happens when you play the Patriots. That's
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of points. But I'll take the Colts at
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: home to cover Sunday night.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: Just football, very short schedule.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: This This is NBC and they say NBC plus two,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: but they don't say what the two. I'm assuming it's
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Universo and the Peacock, right Peacock. Yeah, it's the four
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: one and one Packers at the four and two Steelers,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: green Bay by three.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 11: Not a great game, but but a good game. It's
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 11: Sunday sometimes game.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: This is a good FRED rooting game.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah really, Uh yeah, I'm gonna Rogers against the package, right,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna take Green Bay on the road.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: Just I still think Pittsburgh is smoking Mirror's kind of team.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, go pack go.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take the points I like. I like
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh get home on a Sunday night. Rogers. Yeah, Rogers
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: will be motivated. Yeah, I'm gonna take Pittsburgh.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: I am rooting hard for the Packers a because I
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: want to see the Steelers lose and Aaron Rodgers lose.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: But also if continue right, this is this is playoff implications.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: Correct, Freddy, So, I am Patriots fan, should.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: Be Packers win this game. Packers win this game. They
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: maybe they knocked Rogers out of the game.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: You continuing to root for injuries really makes me uncomfortable.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: I'm just predicting the future.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna leave the show at T Dots.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: And maybe his head falls off. I don't know what.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Maybe it happens in the middle of
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 8: You shouldn't hire nuts curses on all the teams you hate.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: We could call it like on the show.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't have the bandwidth to be able to support
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: that the server.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: I'm going to ask Evan if Clinis has a witch
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: Witch Yeah, Monday Night. This is on ESPN plus three,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: so that's probably ESPN plus ABC. No, it wouldn't be ABC.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Monday Night foot Player.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's only one this week. There's no double header,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: no double header that's summering.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: It might be the end of the double header that was.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: The last one. But I agree with spread that I
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: like the games going at the same time, not necessarily right.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: The three and four Commanders, who Evans says it's over,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: they're done for the next.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: Decade because they went to the end of the right again.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: It just had a top five.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: Against Paul's team. He's a big Chiefs fan. The four
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: and three Chiefs.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: Kansas City by twelve and a half. Oh wait, yeah,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: it's outing there, already cleared out sugar.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 11: I usually don't pick against Kansas City. I'm going to
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 11: take Kansas City, and man, I laid fourteen points and
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 11: I'm going to late twelve and a half.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: Okay, Chiefs at home, I guess both ways.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will take Kansas City, but I am going
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: to take the points. Really, I think that's a lot
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: of points, just a lot of points.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: Who they're back to playing Washington. I know who's Washington's
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: backup Quarterbackice Mariota. I think that I think that you
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: like it. I love it and I lose.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's okay, like I'm not doing.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: It trying to help you out, trying to help you.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: I think twelve and a half's a lot of it
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: is a lot of point. Kansas City generally blows teams out.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: They did last week. I think Kansas City plays a
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: lot of close.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: Direction of the chiefs going. They're starting to flex, they're
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: getting healthy.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Right, I agree, And that's why I'm taking them to win.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: And this is why the Sharps made that spread the
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: way it is, because they know, Paul, you're gonna listen
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: to the Sharps.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: It's pleading with you.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: I'll be wrong, Okay, it's okay.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: It's just a pen of help. There's nothing on the
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: line here trying to help you. So you're taking Kansas
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: City both ways.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: You've got that right, all right? Now we move back
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: to one o'clock. This is on Fox. It's the two
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: and five Browns at the five and two Patriots.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: Patriots by seven, biggest spread of the season.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: So far for the Patriots, I would say, right, is
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: that true?
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: They were? I think they're around there last week seven
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: So it's a big spread for the Patriots.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I feel pretty good about this. I just, like
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 11: I said, something interesting on both sides of the ball.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 11: You want to see Draco against the good defense, how
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 11: they you know, pressure him.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be aggressive, not a lot of room, just
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: a good challenge.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 11: See what New England's offense has got in And then defensively,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 11: you know, can they just make this kid, you know,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 11: look like they should and you know, look like a
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 11: rookie should, especially right out of the gate. But I
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 11: got the Patriots winning pretty easily. I'm going to say
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 11: New England twenty four to ten.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: They were favored by seven last week.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: They were favored by seven last week on the road.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: Patriots twenty seven, Browns twelve. The Witch so I looked up,
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  Speaker 4: I would Josh, I like the bogo Patrick Mahon bogos too.
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  Speaker 4: You buy one, get very worried about what Fred's about
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: the churches.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 8: To make sure there's not a better deal before we
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: make any purchases.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: But so, I'm going to absolutely take the Patriots to
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: win this game, but I will take the points. I
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: think there is a chance that this is a little
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: bit lower scoring. I'm going to go twenty to sixteen Patriots,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: and maybe it's a backdoor cover for Cleveland. I think
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: the Patriots will have the game in hand, but maybe
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: the last score is Cleveland's and that gives you a
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: cover like it.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if if a tornado wipes out Cincinnati, you
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: know that I went to that site.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: Well, I just told you if I were Patrick Mahomes
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: and Josh Allen, I would not be comfortable right now
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: with Fred's future purchase on any New England.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: Men.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 8: Be nice to your girlfriends, your exes, your situationships.
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  Speaker 3: Please, situationships.
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  Speaker 1: Come for you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh right, all right, oh.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bring up. Listen. All week we've been talking about
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: how good the Browns defense is. It is this is
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: a great test for the Patriots offense, not so much
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: for the Patriots defense this week. So as a result,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: I think I've heard a lot of similar scores, and
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: I think there's a reason for that twenty to ten
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: Patriots win this game, and very likely they don't even
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: get ten.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 11: So do you do what do you think the chances
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 11: are better to that the Patriots come out, play really
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 11: well and you know, kind of assert themselves on both
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 11: sides of the ball maybe and just build a little
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 11: lead and then it's you know, kind of just maintain
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 11: that lead, or do you think it's going to be
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 11: close for a while, Like, do you think it's going
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 11: to be some fits and starts for the Patriots And
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 11: maybe even I think it's going to be remnant.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: Listen of like four oh three, where you just know
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: the Browns aren't going to be able to do it.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: So it might be close score wise, but you won't.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: It won't be uncomfortable. You won't feel uncomfortable.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: I agree with Fred. I could see it looking a
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: little like last week, but never like You're never going
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: to feel like the Patriots are in trouble because you're
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: gonna look and you're gonna say, it's just not enough off.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: Now we're going to come out of this game saying
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: we left stuff on the field. We've got to finish
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: You guys do that every week. I just we're professionally
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: like you can't score every time you get the ball.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: But the Patriots moved to six and two. What yep?
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: Six and ten?
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: Yep? It is crazy number. And if my etsy stuff.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: I just feel like they were going to be Daniel
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: Jones out four to three. I'm not five to two
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: like the Buffalo game is the one.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: D Yeah, I don't. I don't do positives, okay.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 11: No, And I mean and I I it's landed on
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 11: nine to eight at some point this summer, and that's
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 11: what I would say. But even still just to hear
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 11: like the chance here in October to get your six
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 11: win when it was like impossible.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: To get wins the last two years.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: It's still just jarring.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: All right, that's going to be it for the show.
• 1:58:10
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• 1:58:26
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• 1:58:28
  Speaker 7: That might be on hold till next week because I
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: realized the next newsletter is on Halloween.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: You have my answers.
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  Speaker 3: Now are you going to ask us what would be
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  Speaker 3: our etsy spell?
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  Speaker 7: That we that's the tease.
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  Speaker 1: That one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to put injuries in writing. I
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  Speaker 3: think I think we all know what no no from
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  Speaker 3: our own team. You can't be representing the Patriots and
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  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot,