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Speaker 1: So right now, as we're speaking, there is a 21-year-old
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Speaker 1: singer whose music is currently streaming on, I mean, probably
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Speaker 1: millions of phones worldwide. And he's sitting in a Los
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Speaker 1: Angeles jail cell. Yeah. And despite having literally billions of
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Speaker 1: streams to his name, he's currently telling a judge that
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Speaker 1: he is entirely too poor to afford a lawyer.
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Speaker 2: Which is just wild to think about. Right.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the greeting family of murdered 14-year-old girl is using
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Speaker 1: this massive 20-page civil lawsuit to, well, essentially do the
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Speaker 1: criminal justice system's job for it.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: So welcome to The Deep Dive. I'm your host. And
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Speaker 1: today we are looking at a diagnostic landscape of the
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Speaker 1: American legal system that is, honestly, it's murky, it's aggressive,
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Speaker 1: and frankly, it's just astonishing.
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Speaker 2: It really is.
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Speaker 1: So our mission for you today is to unravel this
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Speaker 1: highly complex, multi-layered legal bombshell. We're analyzing a really detailed
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Speaker 1: breakdown from the Law and Crime Network's sidebar show.
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Speaker 2: Right. Hosted by Jesse Weber. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Jesse Weber and a highly experienced litigator named Richard Schoenstein.
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Speaker 1: They spent an entire segment just completely dissecting this massive
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Speaker 1: civil lawsuit that was just filed against the singer David
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Speaker 1: Anthony Burke.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, we really need to establish the stakes
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Speaker 2: for you immediately here because this isn't just your standard
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Speaker 2: true crime recount. We are looking at a literal masterclass
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Speaker 2: in legal maneuvering. Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: For anyone who has ever wondered how corporate responsibility, family dynamics,
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Speaker 2: and immense insulated wealth intersect with the law, this analysis
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Speaker 2: will completely alter how you view high-profile criminal cases.
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Speaker 1: Oh, 100%.
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Speaker 2: The core thesis we pulled from the Law and Crime
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Speaker 2: Network is really about how civil lawsuits can be weaponized.
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Speaker 2: They aren't just about seeking money. They are tactical tools
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Speaker 2: used to force the truth into the public record when
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Speaker 2: criminal courts are moving at a glacial pace. Right.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Let's unpack this. We have to ground you in
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Speaker 1: the foundational facts so you understand the sheer gravity of
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Speaker 1: what we're dealing with. So the defendant is David Anthony Burke.
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Speaker 1: If you follow modern music, you know the name. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's a multi-platinum artist. But currently, he is being held
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Speaker 1: without bail.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And the criminal charges against him are just beyond horrific.
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Speaker 1: He is facing first-degree murder with special circumstances, continuous sexual
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Speaker 1: abuse of a child under 14, and the unlawful mutilation
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Speaker 1: of human remains.
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Speaker 2: Just horrifying. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And all of this stems from the death of a
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Speaker 1: 14-year-old girl named Celeste Rivas Hernandez.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, the timeline here really adds a chilling
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Speaker 2: resonance to this whole discussion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 2: Because today is September 10th, 2026. And exactly one year
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Speaker 2: ago this week, on September 8th, 2025, Celeste's severely decomposed
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Speaker 2: remains were reportedly discovered. Wow.
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Speaker 1: One year ago.
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Speaker 2: One year ago. They were found in the trunk of
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Speaker 2: a Tesla, and that vehicle was allegedly registered directly to David. Right.
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Speaker 1: So he was erected back in April of this year,
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Speaker 1: and he has entered a plea of not guilty to
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Speaker 1: all of the state's criminal charges. But this is where
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Speaker 1: the narrative shifts pretty dramatically, because right in the middle
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Speaker 1: of these ongoing, incredibly high stakes criminal proceedings, Celeste's parents,
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Speaker 1: Mercedes Martinez and Jesus Rivas, have dropped this sprawling wrongful
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Speaker 1: death lawsuit.
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Speaker 2: And they didn't just sue David. No. No.
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Speaker 1: They cast a massive net.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the sheer breadth of that net.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they are pulling in his mother. They are
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Speaker 2: suing his security guard.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: They are bringing down the hammer on his managers and
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Speaker 2: a whole web of corporate entities that surround his music career.
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Speaker 1: It's just huge.
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Speaker 2: It is. It's this aggressive, sweeping drag net that targets
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Speaker 2: the entire ecosystem around the artist.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so to understand how a grieving family can even
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Speaker 1: attempt a legal maneuver like this, We really have to
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Speaker 1: look under the hood of the American justice system.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And the source material from the sidebar show lays this
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Speaker 1: out brilliantly. We're essentially looking at a tale of two
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Speaker 1: entirely different courtrooms and they're operating on parallel tracks. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So on one track you have the criminal courtroom. Like
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Speaker 1: if you ever watched a legal drama, you know the
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Speaker 1: phrase beyond a reasonable doubt. That is the burden of
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Speaker 1: proof the state has to meet to put David in prison.
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Speaker 2: And beyond a reasonable doubt is, well, it's the most
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Speaker 2: stringent legal standard in our entire system. Right. And, For
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Speaker 2: good reason. You know, the state is trying to take
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Speaker 2: away a person's physical freedom. So it means the jury
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Speaker 2: has to be virtually certain that the defendant committed the crime. Right.
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Speaker 1: No room for error.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. If the defense attorney can introduce any logical, reasonable,
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Speaker 2: alternative explanation for the evidence, the jury is legally instructed
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Speaker 2: to acquit.
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Speaker 1: But civil court operates on a totally different wavelength. In
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Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit where the stakes are financial liability rather than,
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Speaker 1: you know, prison time, the standard is what the law
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Speaker 1: calls a preponderance of the evidence. Right. So think of
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Speaker 1: it like this. Imagine a set of balancing scales. In
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Speaker 1: criminal court, the prosecution has to slam their side of
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Speaker 1: the scale all the way to the floor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But in a civil suit, the litigator from our source,
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Speaker 1: Richard Schuenstein, noted it essentially means 50.0000001%. Just a hair. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: The scale only has to tip the width of a
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Speaker 1: hair to win. You just have to prove your version
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Speaker 1: of events is marginally more likely to be true than
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Speaker 1: the defense's version.
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Speaker 2: Which completely explains why civil suits often succeed even when
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Speaker 2: a criminal prosecution fails. It's just a much, much lower
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Speaker 2: bar to clear.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: But the litigator on the show brought up this vital
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Speaker 2: legal mechanism that connects these two courtrooms. And it's a
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Speaker 2: doctrine called res judicata, which is also referred to as
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Speaker 2: collateral estoppel.
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Speaker 1: OK, wait, break that down for me. What does that
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Speaker 1: actually mean for Celeste's parents in this specific lawsuit?
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Speaker 2: So in the simplest terms, it means a fact only
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Speaker 2: needs to be proven once.
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Speaker 1: OK.
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Speaker 2: If David is found gushy in his criminal trial or,
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Speaker 2: you know, if he decides to accept a plea deal
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Speaker 2: and pleads guilty, that criminal conviction automatically transfers over to
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Speaker 2: the civil litigation. Oh, wow.
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Speaker 1: So they don't have to start over.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The civil court looks at the criminal verdict and says, OK,
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Speaker 2: A jury already proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he
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Speaker 2: committed this murder. We accept that as absolute fact.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So the family's civil lawyers wouldn't have to start from
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Speaker 2: scratch and reprove that David killed Celeste. The heaviest lifting
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Speaker 2: is essentially already done for them by the state prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: Wait, I'm stuck on the timing here, though. Okay. If
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Speaker 1: the criminal trial getting a guilty verdict automatically wins them
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Speaker 1: the core of their civil case, you know, that res
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Speaker 1: judicata magic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't the family just sit back, let the state
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Speaker 1: lock him up, and then easily collect their millions in damages?
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Speaker 1: Why spend an absolute fortune on civil lawyers to file
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Speaker 1: this massive 20-page lawsuit right now while the criminal trial
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Speaker 1: hasn't even started yet?
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Speaker 2: That's a great question. And it really comes down to
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Speaker 2: the tactical mechanics of legal discovery and constitutional rights. Because
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Speaker 2: David is facing incredibly serious criminal charges. I mean, charges
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Speaker 2: that could put him away for life. His criminal defense
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Speaker 2: attorneys have him on total lockdown.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, yeah.
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Speaker 2: In a civil suit, the first thing the plaintiffs want
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Speaker 2: to do is sit the defendant down for a deposition
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Speaker 2: and force them to answer questions under oath. Right.
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Speaker 1: Get it on the record.
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Speaker 2: But David is almost certainly going to invoke his Fifth
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Speaker 2: Amendment right against self-incrimination.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
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Speaker 2: Right. He cannot be forced to give sworn testimony in
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Speaker 2: a civil setting while a criminal prosecution is just hogging
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Speaker 2: over his head. Because anything he says in that deposition
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Speaker 2: could just be handed directly to the prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: So the civil judge would just, what, hit the pass
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Speaker 1: button on the whole lawsuit?
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Speaker 2: Mostly, yes. The civil judge will likely issue a stay,
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Speaker 2: meaning the active litigation against David personally will be paused
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Speaker 2: until the criminal trial concludes.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: But the family's lawyers know this. They totally expect this stay.
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Speaker 2: Filing the suit now serves a broader purpose.
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Speaker 1: What's that?
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Speaker 2: Well, civil courts have drastically relaxed rules of evidence and
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Speaker 2: discovery compared to criminal courts.
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Speaker 1: Oh, right.
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Speaker 2: Eventually, that stay will lift. And when it does, the
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Speaker 2: civil attorneys have subpoena power. They can demand financial records,
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Speaker 2: internal corporate emails, text messages from managers. It's a much
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Speaker 2: wider array of documents than criminal prosecutors might even look for.
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Speaker 1: Because the prosecutors are laser focused on one singular thing, right?
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Speaker 1: Proving David committed murder on a specific date.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: They might not care about like a corporate expense report
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Speaker 1: from six months prior.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. A prosecutor's mandate is narrow, but a civil litigator's
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Speaker 2: mandate in a wrongful death suit is broad.
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Speaker 1: Got it.
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Speaker 2: And that wide net for gathering evidence is the entire
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Speaker 2: point here. Because the civil court offers a wider net,
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Speaker 2: it allows the family to target not just the alleged murderer,
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Speaker 2: but the structural machinery that allegedly allowed these crimes to happen.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most staggering part of this
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Speaker 1: 20-page document, which is the blast radius.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It's huge.
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Speaker 1: The family isn't just going after the guy in the
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Speaker 1: jail cell. Let's look at the incredible list of co-defendants
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Speaker 1: they are dragging into this civil arena. Okay. So they
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Speaker 1: are suing David's mother, Colleen Burke. Yeah. They are suing
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Speaker 1: his talent and business managers, Josh Marshall and Robert Morgan Roth.
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Speaker 1: They are suing a private security guard named Sheldon Jocko.
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Speaker 1: And they are suing an entire roster of corporate entities.
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Speaker 2: Which ones?
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Speaker 1: We're talking Mogul Vision, David Entertainment, Skull Rose Merchandising, and
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Speaker 1: Headspace Publishing.
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Speaker 2: It's a literal army of defendants. And the foundational legal
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Speaker 2: claim against all of these secondary parties is negligence.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: The lawsuit is asserting a very specific legal phrase. It
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Speaker 2: claims that these individuals and companies knew or should have
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Speaker 2: known about David's dangerous propensities and his illegal relationship with
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Speaker 2: a minor.
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Speaker 1: New or should have known.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And despite knowing, they allegedly provided the residents transportation, travel, communication,
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Speaker 2: security and logistics.
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Speaker 1: And when you read the source breakdown, these aren't just
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Speaker 1: vague sweeping accusations. Like the family's lawyers are pointing to
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Speaker 1: incredibly specific concrete actions. Right. Take the manslaughter. company Mogul Vision,
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Speaker 1: for example. The lawsuit claims that this corporate entity was
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Speaker 1: the actual leaseholder for the Los Angeles residence where Celeste's
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Speaker 1: murder allegedly took place.
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Speaker 2: Wow. And then you look at the allegations against the manager,
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Speaker 2: Robert Morgan Roth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The suit claims he was physically residing at that same house.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Furthermore, it alleges he explicitly approved financial payments connected
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Speaker 2: to maintaining this illegal relationship.
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Speaker 1: And the private security guard, Sheldon Jock. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: wasn't just standing outside a velvet rope at a club somewhere.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: The suit claims he lived in the home, that he
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Speaker 1: personally helped transport the 14-year-old victim, and that he provided,
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Speaker 1: with the lawsuit terms, substantial assistance and encouragement.
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Speaker 2: When you step back and look at those allegations collectively,
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Speaker 2: it really paints a picture of a machine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a machine.
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Speaker 2: It suggests this corporate and personal infrastructure that was built
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Speaker 2: entirely around protecting one highly profitable individual. An infrastructure which
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Speaker 2: allegedly facilitated total isolation and unfettered access.
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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though. If you are
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Speaker 1: a listener out there thinking about the nature of the
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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, this raises a profound question. philosophical and legal dilemma.
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Speaker 1: Like where does a talent manager's job end and where
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Speaker 1: does their moral and legal duty begin? If your principal
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Speaker 1: client is a multimillion dollar asset, which David absolutely was,
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Speaker 1: generating billions of streams, does a management company structurally blind
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Speaker 1: itself to bad behavior just to protect its investment?
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Are they essentially paid to look the other way?
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Speaker 2: And that tension between financial incentive and moral obligation is
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Speaker 2: the exact nerve this lawsuit is trying to strike. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But we have to be clear about the law here.
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Speaker 2: Establishing that moral failure as a legal liability is an
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Speaker 2: incredibly high hurdle in a civil courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Why is that?
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Speaker 2: It all hinges on a concept called the duty of care.
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Speaker 2: The expert litigator on the Law and Crime broadcast explicitly
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Speaker 2: pointed this out.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Under standard American tort law, you generally do not have
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Speaker 2: a legal duty to protect someone you don't know from
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Speaker 2: a crime.
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Speaker 1: Hold on. I needed to stop you there.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: So if I am walking down the street and I
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Speaker 1: see someone actively being assaulted, I am not legally obligated
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Speaker 1: to intervene or even call the police?
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Speaker 2: In the vast majority of jurisdictions, no. Unless you have
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Speaker 2: a specific relationship with the victim or, you know, you
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Speaker 2: created the danger yourself, merely witnessing a crime or knowing
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Speaker 2: a crime is taking place is insufficient to create legal liability.
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Speaker 1: That is just, that's wild.
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Speaker 2: It's a harsh reality of the law. You cannot be
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Speaker 2: sued simply for being a terrible bystander.
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Speaker 1: So how does the family expect to win against the
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Speaker 1: managers and the security guard if the law literally says
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Speaker 1: bystanders are off the hook?
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Speaker 2: Because the plaintiffs are arguing these defendants were not bystanders.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 2: To win, they have to prove that a special relationship
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Speaker 2: existed or, more likely in this specific context, that the
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Speaker 2: defendants actively facilitated the crime.
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Speaker 1: Actively facilitated.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they are trying to prove aiding and abetting. It
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Speaker 2: is legally insufficient for the family to argue, oh, you
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Speaker 2: guys knew David was doing something horrific and you didn't
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Speaker 2: stop him. They have to meet a much higher burden.
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Speaker 2: They have to prove you actively authorized the corporate funds
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Speaker 2: that paid for the Uber that brought a 14-year-old to
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Speaker 2: the house. You signed the lease on the house where
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Speaker 2: it happened. You paid the salary of the guard who
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Speaker 2: kept the doors locked. And the parents away.
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Speaker 1: So they basically have to prove that the corporate team
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Speaker 1: literally built and financed the arena where the crime took place.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. You provided the means and the environment. But proving
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Speaker 2: this level of facilitation requires the civil attorneys to dig
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Speaker 2: into the granular mechanics of exactly how David allegedly interacted
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Speaker 2: with Celeste.
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Speaker 1: Like how he maintained control, right?
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Speaker 2: Right. How did he maintain control? How did he isolate her?
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Speaker 1: And exploring those mechanics of control leads directly to the
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Speaker 1: most surprising and complex charge in the entire 20-page lawsuit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about human trafficking.
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Speaker 2: When you look at the specific civil causes of action
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Speaker 2: filed by the parents, it is an overwhelmingly heavy list.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: They are suing for wrongful death, battery, sexual battery, childhood
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Speaker 2: sexual assault, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
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Speaker 1: Any one of those is a massive legal undertaking. Massive.
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Speaker 1: But the human trafficking charge really stands out here. It's complex.
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Speaker 1: And honestly, it redefines how many people understand the term.
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Speaker 1: The suit explicitly alleges that David trafficked Celeste by inducing
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Speaker 1: her to engage in commercial sex acts.
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Speaker 2: Now, when the average person hears the phrase human trafficking,
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Speaker 2: their mind immediately goes to like international smuggling rings, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Or people locked in the back of shipping containers crossing
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Speaker 2: a border. But the legal definition, particularly under the Trafficking
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Speaker 2: Victims Protection Act and its state equivalents that get used
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Speaker 2: in civil contexts, is far broader and much more insidious.
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Speaker 1: The source breakdown provides the specific elements that the plaintiffs
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Speaker 1: claim make this a commercial trafficking case.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: The lawsuit alleges that David gave this 14-year-old girl money, food, shelter,
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Speaker 1: designer gifts, luxury travel, a ring, and a promise of
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Speaker 1: future marriage.
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Speaker 2: And in the eyes of the law, every single one
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Speaker 2: of those items from the designer handbag to the roof
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Speaker 2: over her head is considered an item of value.
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Speaker 1: Really? Just the food and gifts?
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Speaker 2: Yes. It creates a commercial transaction. It's the exchange of
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Speaker 2: resources for sexual access.
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Speaker 1: And I think we need to hammer home a crucial
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Speaker 1: legal absolute here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because the defense might try to spin a narrative about
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Speaker 1: their relationship.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Because Celeste was a minor... She was reportedly just 13
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Speaker 1: years old when the relationship allegedly began in November 2023.
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Speaker 1: Her purported consent means absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 2: Nothing at all. Any mistake by David regarding her age
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Speaker 2: is legally void as a defense. You cannot use a
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Speaker 2: minor's perceived consent or your own claimed ignorance of their
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Speaker 2: true age as a shield. The law views minors as
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Speaker 2: legally incapable of consenting to these transactions, period. Right.
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Speaker 1: So we connect this to the bigger picture.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. If we connect this to the bigger picture of
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Speaker 2: current legal trends... The expert litigator from our source pointed
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Speaker 2: out something fascinating. We are witnessing a massive expansion of
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Speaker 2: how trafficking is defined in civil courts.
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Speaker 1: How so?
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Speaker 2: The source specifically referenced the recent wave of high-profile civil
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Speaker 2: cases involving Sean Diddy Combs. The legal framework is shifting.
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Speaker 2: Trafficking is no longer solely defined by physical force or kidnapping.
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Speaker 2: It is increasingly being defined by the transactional exchange of gifts...
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Speaker 2: Housing and industry status for sex.
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Speaker 1: Right. The power imbalance.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. This is especially true when there is a massive
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Speaker 2: power imbalance, such as a billionaire celebrity interacting with a
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Speaker 2: fan or obviously when a minor is involved. It's about
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Speaker 2: using wealth to groom and isolate.
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Speaker 1: And the logistical control that David allegedly exerted over Celeste
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Speaker 1: is terrifying. The lawsuit details how he occupied a position
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Speaker 1: of immense authority over her. It claims he used false
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Speaker 1: identities to hide his movements and conceal what he was doing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And this next detail is perhaps the most damning piece
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Speaker 1: of the puzzle. The suit alleges he provided Celeste with
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Speaker 1: a concealed cell phone.
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Speaker 2: And a concealed phone is a massive red flag in
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Speaker 2: any grooming or trafficking investigation.
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Speaker 1: It's a secret device provided specifically so they can maintain
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Speaker 1: constant contact completely outside the knowledge, supervision, or tracking of
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Speaker 1: her parents.
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Speaker 2: That single detail speaks volumes about intent. It speaks to
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Speaker 2: a highly systematic method of circumventing the normal protections a
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Speaker 2: child has. A hidden phone isn't just an inappropriate relationship.
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Speaker 2: It is a calculated, premeditated evasion of parental supervision.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: It is the architecture of isolation.
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Speaker 1: Which naturally makes me wonder, and I'm sure you're wondering
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Speaker 1: this too as you listen to this, if the state
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Speaker 1: is prosecuting him for murder, Could David also face federal
17:56
Speaker 1: criminal charges for human trafficking?
17:58
Speaker 2: The expert on the sidebar show clarified this jurisdictional nuance.
18:02
Speaker 2: The federal government usually gets involved in trafficking cases when
18:05
Speaker 2: there is movement across state lines or international borders.
18:08
Speaker 1: Right, the interstate commerce thing.
18:09
Speaker 2: Exactly. While crossing state lines for sexual purposes absolutely could
18:13
Speaker 2: trigger federal charges, and the FBI might be quietly watching this,
18:17
Speaker 2: The facts, as they have been publicly presented, suggest this
18:21
Speaker 2: is predominantly a localized California-based crime.
18:24
Speaker 1: Because it all happened mostly in L.A.
18:26
Speaker 2: Right. The residences, the travel, the discovery of the remains
18:30
Speaker 2: all seem anchored within the state. Because of that, while
18:33
Speaker 2: a federal indictment is always a possibility, it is perhaps
18:37
Speaker 2: unlikely compared to the massive, sprawling state-level civil and criminal
18:41
Speaker 2: claims that are already moving forward like a freight train.
18:45
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.
18:45
Speaker 2: Okay.
18:46
Speaker 1: Let's pull on that thread of the hidden cell phone
18:48
Speaker 1: for a moment. Because the control David allegedly had over
18:52
Speaker 1: Celeste's communication via that secret device brings us to a
18:56
Speaker 1: highly controversial and agonizing dynamic of this lawsuit.
19:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:01
Speaker 1: It's a dynamic that David's defense team is almost certainly
19:03
Speaker 1: going to try to exploit to limit their liability. And
19:06
Speaker 1: that is the blame game between the parents.
19:09
Speaker 2: This is where civil litigation devolves into psychological warfare. We
19:12
Speaker 2: really have to look closely at the specific allegations levied
19:15
Speaker 2: against David's mother, Colleen Burke.
19:17
Speaker 1: The lawsuit doesn't just name her as a passive figurehead.
19:20
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
19:21
Speaker 1: It claims she actively ran his firm. It claims she
19:25
Speaker 1: personally approved and funded the logistical arrangements that housed Celeste.
19:29
Speaker 1: And most shockingly, the suit alleges that Colleen Burke actually
19:33
Speaker 1: hosted the minor for one or more nights inside her
19:36
Speaker 1: own home with David present.
19:38
Speaker 2: Now let's examine the legal reality of suing a parent
19:41
Speaker 2: for the actions of their child. Under standard tort law,
19:43
Speaker 2: a parent of an adult child generally has absolutely no
19:46
Speaker 2: legal duty to monitor, control, or prevent that adult child's behavior.
19:51
Speaker 1: Because he's an adult.
19:52
Speaker 2: Right. David is 21 years old. Legally, he is an
19:56
Speaker 2: independent adult. If he commits a crime across town, you
19:59
Speaker 2: cannot sue his mother for failing to raise him better.
20:01
Speaker 1: Right, but this didn't happen across town.
20:03
Speaker 2: Exactly. The plaintiffs are arguing an exception to the rule here.
20:07
Speaker 2: Because the alleged acts happened under her roof, in a
20:10
Speaker 2: home that she controlled, and because she allegedly utilized her
20:14
Speaker 2: corporate power to fund the arrangements, the plaintiffs argue she
20:17
Speaker 2: assumed a duty of care.
20:18
Speaker 1: I see.
20:19
Speaker 2: The lawsuit is asserting she wasn't just a mother turning
20:22
Speaker 2: a blind eye from afar. She was the active financier
20:25
Speaker 2: and host of the environment where the abuse took place.
20:27
Speaker 1: But the litigator in our source material anticipates a very sharp,
20:33
Speaker 1: very aggressive counterattack from the defense regarding parental responsibility.
20:37
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
20:39
Speaker 1: When Colleen Burke is deposed and the plaintiff's lawyers ask her,
20:42
Speaker 1: you know, why didn't you stop this 14-year-old girl from
20:45
Speaker 1: staying at your house? What is her legal team going
20:47
Speaker 1: to do?
20:47
Speaker 2: They are inevitably going to point the finger right back
20:51
Speaker 2: across the aisle at Celeste's parents, Mercedes and Jesus.
20:54
Speaker 1: Right.
20:55
Speaker 2: They're going to look at the grieving family and ask,
20:58
Speaker 2: where were you?
20:59
Speaker 1: It brings up a brutal legal concept known as inquiry notice.
21:03
Speaker 1: The defense strategy will be to shift the burden of negligence.
21:06
Speaker 2: Yes.
21:07
Speaker 1: They will argue to a jury. Shouldn't Celeste's parents have
21:10
Speaker 1: known their daughter was gone? If a 13- or 14-year-old
21:13
Speaker 1: girl is missing from her bed for multiple nights, socializing
21:17
Speaker 1: with a 21-year-old celebrity, shouldn't her parents be on inquiry
21:20
Speaker 1: notice that something is terribly wrong? Exactly. They'll say, if
21:23
Speaker 1: anyone was negligent in protecting this child, it was her
21:26
Speaker 1: own mother and father.
21:28
Speaker 2: Which is incredibly dark. And the lawsuit actually anticipates this
21:31
Speaker 2: exact attack factor. Celeste's parents counter this presumption saying, By
21:36
Speaker 2: asserting they were actively maliciously deceived.
21:39
Speaker 1: Because of the phone.
21:40
Speaker 2: Yes. They claim they were intentionally kept in the dark
21:43
Speaker 2: by a sophisticated operation and they point explicitly back to
21:47
Speaker 2: that concealed cell phone.
21:48
Speaker 1: Right.
21:49
Speaker 2: They're basically telling the court, we couldn't have known she
21:51
Speaker 2: was in danger because your son used his massive financial
21:55
Speaker 2: resources to secretly buy a device to intentionally subvert our parenting.
22:01
Speaker 1: It is a... Legally sound and devastating counter-argument.
22:05
Speaker 2: It is.
22:06
Speaker 1: It neutralizes the defense's attempt to blame the victims, but
22:09
Speaker 1: it also highlights the profound, tragic reality of this legal framing.
22:14
Speaker 2: It really does.
22:14
Speaker 1: Just think about the emotional toll here. I mean, you
22:17
Speaker 1: lose your 14-year-old daughter in a manner so horrific, it
22:20
Speaker 1: defies comprehension.
22:21
Speaker 2: Right.
22:21
Speaker 1: And instead of just being allowed to grieve, the adversarial
22:25
Speaker 1: nature of the legal system forces you into a defensive posture.
22:28
Speaker 1: You have to walk into a courtroom... and legally prove
22:31
Speaker 1: that you are a good enough parent, meticulously documenting your supervision,
22:36
Speaker 1: just to avoid being blamed for your own child's murder
22:39
Speaker 1: by the family of the accused killer.
22:41
Speaker 2: It is a profound secondary trauma inflicted by the mechanics
22:45
Speaker 2: of the legal process itself.
22:47
Speaker 1: It's just an agonizing burden. But this aggressive, preemptive posture
22:52
Speaker 1: from both sides... It shows us something vital about the
22:55
Speaker 1: strategic nature of this civil suit.
22:57
Speaker 2: Definitely.
22:57
Speaker 1: This lawsuit is not just about a family seeking monetary
23:00
Speaker 1: damages for their loss. It is actively being used as
23:04
Speaker 1: a public weapon to counter the narratives coming out of
23:07
Speaker 1: the criminal trial before a jury is even seated.
23:10
Speaker 2: Let's explore that strategy further because the timing of this
23:12
Speaker 2: 20-page lawsuit is not a coincidence. Right. Why did the
23:16
Speaker 2: family's lawyers file this massive claim right now? Why not
23:19
Speaker 2: a month ago? went out a year ago and the
23:21
Speaker 2: remains were first discovered in the trunk of that Tesla.
23:24
Speaker 1: Well, the analysis from the Law and Crime broadcast suggests
23:26
Speaker 1: a very deliberate, calculated reason. The family waited until immediately
23:31
Speaker 1: after the preliminary hearing in the criminal case. In California,
23:34
Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing is basically a mini trial where the
23:37
Speaker 1: prosecution has to show a judge they have enough evidence
23:40
Speaker 1: to proceed to a full trial.
23:41
Speaker 2: Right.
23:42
Speaker 1: The family needed to sit in that courtroom, listen to
23:44
Speaker 1: the state present its initial forensic evidence, and crucially, they
23:48
Speaker 1: needed to hear the defense's opening strategy. They needed to
23:51
Speaker 1: see what story David's lawyers were going to attempt to
23:54
Speaker 1: sell to the public and the eventual jury.
23:57
Speaker 2: And the story the defense floated at that preliminary hearing
24:00
Speaker 2: was shocking. It was. They introduced a very specific implied
24:05
Speaker 2: theory of the case. They suggested that perhaps Celeste harmed
24:09
Speaker 2: herself while in David's presence.
24:10
Speaker 1: I mean, how do they even argue that?
24:12
Speaker 2: Right. So the defense attorneys pointed to what they characterized
24:15
Speaker 2: as Celeste's erratic behavior. They highlighted a specific text message
24:19
Speaker 2: she reportedly sent to David the night before her death, threatening, quote,
24:23
Speaker 2: I will end your career and your life.
24:24
Speaker 1: Wow.
24:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the defense was laying the psychological groundwork for
24:28
Speaker 2: a narrative that David wasn't a cold-blooded murderer, but merely
24:32
Speaker 2: a panicked bystander to a tragic, self-inflicted event who made
24:36
Speaker 2: bad decisions afterward.
24:38
Speaker 1: But the family's civil lawsuit acts as a direct, brutal
24:43
Speaker 1: public rebuttal to that exact defense theory.
24:46
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
24:47
Speaker 1: The 20-page civil complaint doesn't just make vague claims of
24:51
Speaker 1: wrongful death. It explicitly quotes the medical examiner's autopsy findings
24:56
Speaker 1: to utterly destroy the self-harm narrative.
24:59
Speaker 2: And the details quoted in the suit are graphic, but
25:01
Speaker 2: they are absolutely necessary for the legal argument the family
25:05
Speaker 2: is building. Right. The lawsuit points to the front-to-back path
25:08
Speaker 2: of the abdominal wound and the glaring absence of any
25:11
Speaker 2: hesitation marks.
25:13
Speaker 1: Let's explain why that matters medically. A hesitation mark is
25:16
Speaker 1: typically found in self-inflicted wounds, right? Like shallow cuts where
25:20
Speaker 1: the person hesitates before fully committing to the action.
25:22
Speaker 2: Exactly. The presence of a deep, singular, front-to-back wound without
25:27
Speaker 2: any tentative hesitation marks is entirely consistent with a forceful
25:31
Speaker 2: attack by another person.
25:32
Speaker 1: Got it.
25:33
Speaker 2: The civil attorneys are using the hard forensic science to
25:36
Speaker 2: completely rule out the physical possibility of a self-inflicted injury.
25:40
Speaker 1: But this raises an important question, though. If the autopsy
25:43
Speaker 1: definitively proves it wasn't self-harm, why didn't the criminal prosecutors
25:48
Speaker 1: just walk out of the preliminary hearing, hold a press conference,
25:52
Speaker 1: and announce those autopsy results to shut down the defense's
25:55
Speaker 1: theory right then and there?
25:56
Speaker 2: Because they are legally and ethically forbidden from doing so.
25:59
Speaker 1: Oh, really?
26:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. The expert on the sidebar show explained that prosecutors
26:04
Speaker 2: are bound by incredibly strict ethical duties outlined by the
26:07
Speaker 2: American Bar Association and state laws. Oh, yeah. They have
26:10
Speaker 2: a duty to ensure a fair trial for the defendant.
26:13
Speaker 2: They have to play their cards very close to the vest.
26:16
Speaker 2: They are generally prohibited from making public statements, leaking evidence,
26:20
Speaker 2: or arguing their case in the media during an ongoing prosecution.
26:24
Speaker 1: So they just have to stay quiet.
26:26
Speaker 2: They must wait for the actual trial to present their
26:28
Speaker 2: evidence to the jury.
26:29
Speaker 1: The state prosecutors are gagged by protocol. But the grieving
26:33
Speaker 1: family is not.
26:34
Speaker 2: Precisely. Therefore, this civil suit acts as a vital legal loophole.
26:39
Speaker 2: It allows the family to legally place these horrific facts,
26:43
Speaker 2: the autopsy results, the alleged use of a chainsaw to
26:46
Speaker 2: dismember her remains directly into the public record right now.
26:49
Speaker 1: Right.
26:50
Speaker 2: The lawsuit is a public document. Anyone can read it.
26:54
Speaker 2: Journalists can report on it. The family is using the
26:57
Speaker 2: civil filing to control the public narrative and counter the
27:00
Speaker 2: defense's spin when the state is powerless to speak up.
27:04
Speaker 1: And when you read the source breakdown of this lawsuit,
27:06
Speaker 1: you realize, This isn't just a cold PR strategy. It
27:10
Speaker 1: is about a family that has suffered in ways most
27:13
Speaker 1: of us cannot even fathom.
27:14
Speaker 2: No kidding.
27:15
Speaker 1: The lawsuit reveals a heartbreaking reality about the aftermath of
27:19
Speaker 1: this crime. The parents had to wait eight agonizing days
27:23
Speaker 1: just for a positive identification of their own daughter.
27:26
Speaker 2: The delay was due to the state of the remains.
27:29
Speaker 2: Because Celeste's body was so severely decomposed after being left
27:32
Speaker 2: in a vehicle, and because portions of her remains were
27:35
Speaker 2: reportedly never recovered... Standard identification methods took over a week.
27:39
Speaker 1: I want to just pause on that. Eight days of
27:41
Speaker 1: knowing your child might be the one found in that car,
27:44
Speaker 1: but not having it confirmed.
27:45
Speaker 2: It's unthinkable.
27:46
Speaker 1: The civil suit takes the clinical, sterile language of a
27:50
Speaker 1: criminal indictment, words like unlawful mutilation, and injects the raw
27:55
Speaker 1: human cost of the crime into the public record. It
27:59
Speaker 1: gives a loud, permanent voice to this profound personal suffering.
28:03
Speaker 2: And because the family wants to ensure that David and
28:05
Speaker 2: his alleged corporate enablers pay for this unimaginable suffering, the
28:09
Speaker 2: lawsuit predictably zeroes in on the most contentious aspect of
28:13
Speaker 2: this entire saga, which is the money.
28:15
Speaker 1: Oh, the money. Yeah. If you want to understand how
28:17
Speaker 1: the justice system treats the ultra-wealthy, this is it. This
28:21
Speaker 1: is where the story shifts from a tragic true crime
28:23
Speaker 1: narrative into a deeply enraging masterclass on corporate shielding. Absolutely.
28:28
Speaker 1: Let's look at the massive financial contradiction at the heart
28:31
Speaker 1: of the current criminal proceedings.
28:32
Speaker 2: Mm.
28:33
Speaker 1: Recently, David parted ways with his high-powered, undoubtedly expensive private
28:37
Speaker 1: defense attorney, Blair Burke.
28:39
Speaker 2: Right.
28:39
Speaker 1: And when he stood before the judge, what did he claim?
28:42
Speaker 1: He claimed he is indigent.
28:44
Speaker 2: Which is, well, for those who might not be familiar
28:47
Speaker 2: with the term in a legal context, claiming indigency means
28:51
Speaker 2: you are formally declaring to the court under penalty of
28:54
Speaker 2: perjury that you are completely destitute.
28:57
Speaker 1: Broke.
28:57
Speaker 2: You are stating you are too poor to afford a
28:59
Speaker 2: private lawyer and therefore you are exercising your constitutional right
29:03
Speaker 2: to have the state provide a published offender for you
29:05
Speaker 2: at the taxpayer's expense.
29:07
Speaker 1: The Rivas Hernandez family released a public statement regarding this
29:10
Speaker 1: indigency claim and their outrage is palpable. And frankly, it
29:15
Speaker 1: is entirely justified.
29:16
Speaker 2: Oh, completely.
29:17
Speaker 1: They find it absolutely unfathomable that a man with over
29:21
Speaker 1: five billion streams who commands 16 million monthly listeners on
29:25
Speaker 1: a single platform. and who exerts control over three different
29:28
Speaker 1: corporate entities, is currently having his murder defense funded by
29:32
Speaker 1: the taxpayers of Los Angeles County.
29:34
Speaker 2: Five billion streams. We have to contextualize that number.
29:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that.
29:38
Speaker 2: Even at a fraction of a cent per stream. that
29:40
Speaker 2: volume represents a massive, ongoing, multi-million dollar revenue generator. It
29:45
Speaker 2: is an empire of passive income.
29:47
Speaker 1: So how on earth is a guy with an empire
29:51
Speaker 1: of passive income legally claiming he is broke to a judge?
29:54
Speaker 2: Well... The family's lawsuit details explosive allegations of blatant asset hiding. Right.
30:00
Speaker 2: They claim David engaged in fraudulent transfers, moving his assets
30:04
Speaker 2: out of his name and into the control of his
30:06
Speaker 2: mother and manager, Colleen Burke.
30:08
Speaker 1: Wow.
30:09
Speaker 2: This suit specifically alleges that she is raking in $ 75, 000
30:13
Speaker 2: a year from David Entertainment alone. And the plaintiffs argue
30:17
Speaker 2: this was a premeditated move done specifically to protect his
30:21
Speaker 2: vast estate from this exact type of civil liability.
30:24
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean structurally?
30:27
Speaker 2: It means they built a corporate moat.
30:29
Speaker 1: OK, a moat.
30:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. Think about a medieval castle containing all of the gold.
30:34
Speaker 2: You dig a massive trench around it, fill it with
30:36
Speaker 2: water and pull up the drawbridge so the invading army
30:39
Speaker 2: can't reach the walls.
30:40
Speaker 1: Right.
30:40
Speaker 2: That is what they allegedly did with his money.
30:42
Speaker 1: I think as consumers, we often view music artists simply
30:45
Speaker 1: as singers or performers. But when you reach this level
30:48
Speaker 1: of global fame, you aren't just a person anymore. You
30:51
Speaker 1: are a multinational corporation. You have LLCs, holding companies, merchandising wings,
30:57
Speaker 1: publishing rights. Your identity is a diversified portfolio.
31:01
Speaker 2: And the host of the sidebar show, Jesse Weber, noted
31:05
Speaker 2: how profoundly enraging it is that the standard corporate structuring
31:09
Speaker 2: tools usually used by businesses to save on taxes or
31:12
Speaker 2: limit liability in case someone slips and falls in a
31:15
Speaker 2: store can allegedly be weaponized to shield immense wealth from
31:19
Speaker 2: the grieving family of a murdered child.
31:21
Speaker 1: It's disgusting.
31:22
Speaker 2: It is the corporate veil used as a shield against
31:24
Speaker 2: moral accountability.
31:26
Speaker 1: But the civil justice system has tools designed specifically to
31:29
Speaker 1: drain that moat and pierce that veil.
31:32
Speaker 2: It does.
31:32
Speaker 1: The expert litigator on the show broke down the mechanics
31:35
Speaker 1: of civil damages in a wrongful death suit. How does
31:39
Speaker 1: a jury actually calculate what a 14-year-old girl's life is
31:42
Speaker 1: worth financially?
31:43
Speaker 2: It is a grim, highly clinical calculus, but it is
31:46
Speaker 2: the only remedy the civil system has. First, the plaintiffs
31:50
Speaker 2: will bring in expert forensic economists. These experts will project
31:53
Speaker 2: Celeste's lost left-time earning capacity. They will calculate what a
31:57
Speaker 2: bright young woman could have reasonably earned over a 50-year
32:00
Speaker 2: career if she had lived. Then, the jury is asked
32:03
Speaker 2: to add compensatory damages. This is a monetary figure assigned
32:07
Speaker 2: to the immense pain and suffering inflicted on Celeste in
32:10
Speaker 2: her final moments. and a lifelong emotional devastation inflicted on
32:14
Speaker 2: her parents.
32:15
Speaker 1: But that's just compensating the family for what they lost.
32:18
Speaker 1: There's another, much more aggressive layer to civil damages, right?
32:22
Speaker 2: Yes. The family can, and likely will, seek what are
32:26
Speaker 2: called triple damages, which are essentially punitive damages.
32:29
Speaker 1: Okay, punitive damages.
32:31
Speaker 2: Punitive damages are not about making the victim whole. They
32:34
Speaker 2: are strictly designed to punish the defendant for incredibly egregious,
32:38
Speaker 2: malicious behavior... And to send a message to society to
32:41
Speaker 2: deter others from ever doing the same.
32:43
Speaker 1: Got it.
32:44
Speaker 2: Murder, dismemberment, and orchestrating a corporate cover-up absolutely meet the
32:48
Speaker 2: threshold for maximum punitive damages. A jury could award tens
32:52
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars.
32:53
Speaker 1: But getting a piece of paper from a judge that
32:55
Speaker 1: says a billionaire owes you $ 50 million is one thing.
32:59
Speaker 1: Actually collecting that cash from a guy sitting in a
33:01
Speaker 1: jail cell who officially claims he has $ 0 in his
33:04
Speaker 1: bank account is an entirely different battle.
33:06
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
33:07
Speaker 1: Like, how do they actually get the money if he
33:10
Speaker 1: transferred it all to his mother's LLCs?
33:12
Speaker 2: This is where the digital permanence of his business model
33:15
Speaker 2: becomes his Achilles heel.
33:16
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me more.
33:18
Speaker 2: Even if David is convicted and sits in a state
33:20
Speaker 2: penitentiary for the rest of his natural life, his music
33:24
Speaker 2: doesn't disappear.
33:25
Speaker 1: No.
33:25
Speaker 2: It remains on every major platform. It will continue to
33:29
Speaker 2: generate mechanical royalties, performance royalties, and master royalties. If the
33:34
Speaker 2: family wins the civil suit and secures a judgment, They
33:37
Speaker 2: don't just politely ask him to write a check. They
33:40
Speaker 2: utilize court orders to legally garnish those future revenue streams.
33:44
Speaker 1: Break down the mechanics of that for a second. How
33:46
Speaker 1: does the garnishment work in the music industry?
33:48
Speaker 2: The family's lawyers will take the court judgment and work
33:51
Speaker 2: with the sheriff's department or federal marshals. They serve legal
33:54
Speaker 2: papers directly to the source of the money.
33:56
Speaker 1: They're like the streaming platforms.
33:57
Speaker 2: Yes. They serve Spotify, Apple Music, BMI, ESCAP, and as
34:02
Speaker 2: publishing administrators. They legally intercept the royalty checks before the
34:06
Speaker 2: money ever reaches David, his mother, or his shell companies.
34:10
Speaker 1: Wow. Just completely bypass them.
34:12
Speaker 2: Exactly. The platforms are legally obligated to route the money
34:15
Speaker 2: directly to the family's trust account to satisfy the judgment. Furthermore,
34:20
Speaker 2: those corporate entities that are being sued for negligence, Mogul Vision,
34:24
Speaker 2: David Entertainment, they almost certainly carry massive commercial general liability
34:29
Speaker 2: insurance policies. If the family proves negligence, they can force
34:33
Speaker 2: those insurance companies to pay out millions, completely bypassing David's
34:37
Speaker 2: empty personal bank accounts.
34:38
Speaker 1: So the mention of the family seeking to punish the
34:41
Speaker 1: defendants for a cover-up brings us to the final and
34:44
Speaker 1: perhaps most chilling implication of this entire lawsuit.
34:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is intense.
34:49
Speaker 1: We're looking at a future shock scenario where the lines
34:52
Speaker 1: between civil liability and criminal prosecution blur completely.
34:57
Speaker 2: Let's look closely at a specific, highly volatile allegation buried
35:00
Speaker 2: within the civil suit. The family is alleging that there
35:03
Speaker 2: was a, quote, concerted effort to hide evidence following Celeste's death.
35:07
Speaker 1: And legally speaking, hiding evidence isn't just a bad look
35:10
Speaker 1: or simple negligence.
35:11
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
35:12
Speaker 1: In a civil context, if you help hide the bloody
35:15
Speaker 1: clothes or wipe the security camera footage, that constitutes aiding
35:20
Speaker 1: and abetting after the fact.
35:22
Speaker 2: And this is where the two parallel tracks of the
35:24
Speaker 2: justice system we discussed earlier collide in spectacular, devastating fashion.
35:28
Speaker 1: How so?
35:29
Speaker 2: The expert litigator on the show outlined how the relaxed
35:32
Speaker 2: discovery rules in civil court could be the ultimate undoing
35:36
Speaker 2: of the enablers.
35:37
Speaker 1: Right, because of the subpoenas.
35:38
Speaker 2: Remember, in civil court, the plaintiffs have immense subpoena power.
35:42
Speaker 2: They can demand access to the management company's servers. They
35:45
Speaker 2: can seize internal memos. They can force the security guard
35:49
Speaker 2: to sit for a deposition under oath.
35:51
Speaker 1: OK, so let's play out that scenario. Let's say the
35:53
Speaker 1: civil lawyers subpoenaed the manager's text messages or they deposed
35:58
Speaker 1: the security guard. And during that civil discovery process, they
36:02
Speaker 1: unearth concrete, undeniable proof that these people actively hid evidence,
36:07
Speaker 1: wiped hard drives, or knowingly enabled the crime to continue.
36:10
Speaker 1: What happens then?
36:11
Speaker 2: Well, that civil evidence doesn't magically stay sealed in civil court.
36:15
Speaker 2: There is no rule that says what happens in civil
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Speaker 2: discovery stays in civil discovery. The plaintiff's attorneys can take
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Speaker 2: those damning emails, those sworn deposition transcripts and walk them
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Speaker 2: straight across the street to the district attorney's office.
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Speaker 1: And hand it over.
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Speaker 2: They can hand the criminal prosecutors a fully investigated airtight
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Speaker 2: case on a silver platter.
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Speaker 1: Wow. So the civil suit basically acts as a privatized,
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Speaker 1: hyper-aggressive investigative arm for the state prosecutors who maybe might
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Speaker 1: not have had the resources or the probable cause to
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Speaker 1: raid the management company servers themselves.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely functions that way. And if that happens, the
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Speaker 2: consequences for these co-defendants escalate exponentially.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, big time.
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Speaker 2: We're no longer talking about them losing a lawsuit and
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Speaker 2: having their insurance premiums go up. We are talking about
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Speaker 2: potential severe felony charges down the line. They could face
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Speaker 2: criminal indictments for obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence, or
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Speaker 2: criminal aiding and abetting.
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Speaker 1: The managers, the mother, the security guard, they could all
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Speaker 1: go from being defendants in a lawsuit about corporate negligence
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Speaker 1: to defendants wearing jumpsuits and facing decades in prison.
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Speaker 2: And the expert on the show noted a very real,
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Speaker 2: very recent legal precedent for this exact type of escalation.
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Speaker 1: Really?
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Speaker 2: Over the last few years, the legal landscape regarding third-party
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Speaker 2: liability has shifted dramatically. We're increasingly seeing parents and enablers
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Speaker 2: held criminally liable for the horrific actions of those they supervised.
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Speaker 1: Like the school shooter cases.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The most prominent examples are the recent convictions of
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Speaker 2: the parents of school shooters. Parents who bought the weapons
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Speaker 2: ignored blatant warning signs and tried to hide the evidence afterward.
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Speaker 2: The state has shown it is absolutely willing to prosecute
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Speaker 2: the enablers.
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Speaker 1: Now, David is 21. So legally, it's a slightly different
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Speaker 1: threshold than a parent failing to supervise a 15-year-old school shooter, right?
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Speaker 2: The underlying statute might differ, yeah. But the principle of
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Speaker 2: active facilitation remains identical. If the civil discovery process unoffs proof...
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Speaker 2: that the mother or the managers provided the funding for
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Speaker 2: the trafficking, maintained the isolated environment, and then actively helped
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Speaker 2: cover up a murder, that completely crosses the line from
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Speaker 2: just bad parenting or negligent management. It crosses into active
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Speaker 2: criminal complicity.
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Speaker 1: That is a staggering reality for those co-defendants to wake
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Speaker 1: up to. I mean, they aren't just fighting to protect
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Speaker 1: their bank accounts or their corporate empires. they might unknowingly
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Speaker 1: be fighting for their physical freedom.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: The very civil lawsuit they are currently trying to get
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Speaker 1: dismissed might be the exact mechanism that hands state prosecutors
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Speaker 1: the keys to lock them in a cell next to David.
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Speaker 2: It's a huge risk for them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a breath and recap the immense, sprawling
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Speaker 1: scope of what we've unpacked today. We started by looking
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Speaker 1: at a horrifying criminal case, the senseless murder of a
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Speaker 1: 14-year-old girl. But by examining this case through the lens
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Speaker 1: of a 20-page civil lawsuit, We've seen how a single
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Speaker 1: horrific act spawns a multi-front legal war. It's a war
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Speaker 1: over corporate duty, asking if talent managers are structurally paid
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Speaker 1: to look the other way when their clients are generating billions.
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Speaker 1: It's a war over the evolving modern definition of human trafficking,
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Speaker 1: showing how extremism wealth can be weaponized to create total isolation.
39:34
Speaker 1: And it's a war over hidden assets, corporate moats, and
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Speaker 1: who gets to control the public narrative when the state
39:41
Speaker 1: prosecutors cannot speak.
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Speaker 2: It really proves that the American justice system is rarely
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Speaker 2: just a simple binary machine of crime and punishment. It
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Speaker 2: is an intricate, highly strategic web of leverage, discovery, and
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Speaker 2: narrative control.
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Speaker 1: Which brings me to a final provocative thought that builds
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Speaker 1: on everything we've discussed today about the intersection of art
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Speaker 1: and commerce. I want you, the listener, to think about
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Speaker 1: the digital permanence of modern art.
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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating angle.
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Speaker 1: In the old days, if a convicted criminal wrote a
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Speaker 1: hit book, the publisher might pull it, and it would
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Speaker 1: simply go out of print and disappear. But today, long
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Speaker 1: after this trial is over, regardless of the verdict... David's
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Speaker 1: music will continue to live on servers worldwide. It will
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Speaker 1: continuously generate fractions of a cent with every single play,
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Speaker 1: algorithmically fed to millions.
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Speaker 2: An endless automated stream of microtransactions.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And if this grieving family successfully pierces that corporate
40:36
Speaker 1: veil and garnishes David's royalties to satisfy a $ 50 million judgment,
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Speaker 1: the financial reality of his art fundamentally changes forever.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Think about it. Every time someone innocently streams one of
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Speaker 1: his hit songs in the future, maybe they add it
40:50
Speaker 1: to a workout playlist. Maybe it plays randomly over the
40:53
Speaker 1: speakers at a local coffee shop. That listener will quite
40:56
Speaker 1: literally be paying off the civil judgment for Celeste's murder.
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Speaker 2: It's just wild to think about.
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Speaker 1: The money will flow from the consumer through the streaming
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Speaker 1: platform and directly into the trust account of the victim's parents.
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Speaker 2: It creates an incredibly profound, almost inescapable ethical paradox for
41:12
Speaker 2: the consumer. By consuming the art, you are funding the
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Speaker 2: restitution for the crime.
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Speaker 1: It forces us to ask a deeply uncomfortable question. In
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Speaker 1: the modern streaming age where every single play is monetized forever,
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Speaker 1: can you ever truly separate the art from the financial
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Speaker 1: reality of the artist's crimes?
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Speaker 2: When you look closely at the entire messy ecosystem of
41:34
Speaker 2: how these tragedies are facilitated and monetized, you realize that
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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing exists in a vacuum. Not the crime, not
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Speaker 2: the corporate enablers. and certainly not the art left behind.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. We
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Speaker 1: encourage you to critically examine the media you consume, question
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Speaker 1: the corporate structures that support it, and keep looking for
41:53
Speaker 1: the hidden mechanisms of justice that operate just below the
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Speaker 1: surface of the daily headlines. Keep asking questions, keep looking
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Speaker 1: past the obvious, and we will see you on the
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Speaker 1: next deep dive.