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Brett Keane and Brother Maverick LIVE: Can Any Muslim PROVE That Jesus is NOT God? Call in Now! · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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None. Hello, hello, hello.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, back to the Cross Unit.
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I'm your host brother Maverick. Thank you guys so much for those
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of you who are here so promptly as usual.
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Hello, my brother, brother Mike Yetner.
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Welcome, my friend. Hello, brother Maverick and my
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fellow business sisters. Welcome, my friend.
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Good afternoon and welcome to the stream.
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Archangel says. Hey everyone, we got some storms
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heading our way here in North Carolina.
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I'm outside on the porch listening to Thunder and joy.
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No one. Amen brother.
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We have to enjoy God's gifts as we get them because that's
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exactly what they are, whether people choose to acknowledge
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them as such or not. Today guys, the title of the
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stream is simple. Can any Muslim prove that Jesus
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is not God? They have not been able to do so
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thus far in history, but you never know, they may get lucky
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today. I encourage anyone, and we've
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had a lot of crap talking in the comments section the last couple
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of, well, the last week guys, ever since I started doing this,
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I know that I'm stirring up the hornet's nest.
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Actually not even the hornet's nest.
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I would say the fruit fly nest Hornets would indicate that they
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are dangerous and that they are a threat.
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Muslims are not a threat, not at all.
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I don't feel like they are. I would never give a false and
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fake religion that much credit. So let's let's start there.
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I want to be very, very clear about that.
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Having said that, guys, let's get into the verse of the day
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and then we can start inviting Muslims in to see if they want
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to join. Mr. C says God is one person by
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His word. He manifests all creation.
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His word took on the flesh and was rejected.
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Men reject the word of God and Trinitarians don't stand on
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sound doctrine. They say he's three persons.
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Well, Mr. Steve, if you want to call in and have that
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conversation, you are welcome to my brother.
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It is right there. Cross unit dot live forward
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slash call Cross unit dot live forward slash call I'm afraid
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that you are going to be buried under actual doctrine.
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I will be kind, but I will not sugarcoat anything for you, Mr.
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Steve. Cross unit dot live forward
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slash call again, Cross unit dot live forward slash call for
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anybody who feels like they have a chance to prove that Jesus is
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not God, and that includes Unitarians.
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For me, a Unitarian is just as is just as fallacious as a
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Muslim or, or a what's the word? I'm looking for a Mormon,
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anything like that. So, Mr. Steve, if you feel like
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you have what it takes to call, you know, to, to make that
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argument in my live stream, you're going to be the first
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person in history to prove so. But go ahead and call in and see
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if you know, see if you can test your luck, man, You are welcome
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to try. You will not succeed.
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That's a promise and a guarantee because I walk with the Holy
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Spirit and the Holy Spirit will not be defeated by the likes of
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anyone walking with such nonsense and blasphemy.
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But at the end of the day, if you feel like you can come in
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and get it done, try to come in and get it done brother.
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And we will see where they, we will see where the smoke clears
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when everything is landed. From the book of Psalms, chapter
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37, verse 28 goes as follows. For the Lord loves the just and
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will not forsake his faithful ones.
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They will be protected forever. The thoughts on today's verse
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guys go as follows. Don't you love the term for
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God's people? When they live for Him, They are
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His faithful ones. The Lord is committed to His
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people. He will not forget His people,
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those who seek to honor Him by displaying His righteous
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character, gracious compassion, and faithful love and justice.
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From Exodus 34, six. God has promised to honor His
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promises to His people and preserve them with his
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protecting power forever as God has promised.
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Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you.
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And you can reference Deuteronomy 31 six and Hebrews
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13, five and six. Here's the prayer guys.
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If you want to pray with me, you know that you are always
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welcome. Thank you.
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Thank you to everyone who has subscribed since I've got you
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guys are subscribing so fast I can't even keep up.
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That is a good problem to have. Thank you guys so much for the
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bottom of my heart, man. I appreciate and love you guys
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and welcome to the cross unit. Eternal and faithful Father,
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thank you for your great promises.
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I am thrilled at the reminder of your faithful presence in my
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life. I fully believe that I can
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entrust my future to you and that you will bring me into your
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presence with victory and great joy.
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Thank you for my sure and steadfast hope.
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In Jesus name we pray, Amen and Amen.
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Thank you guys so much for joining, man.
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We've got a lot going on. We're waiting for guests to join
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in. Mr. Morningstar says Hey brother
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Maverick, sorry I haven't been on in a while.
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Been very busy and stressed for moving up.
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Morningstar moves are actually extraordinarily stressful, man.
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So definitely nobody is blaming you for that.
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Also, let's get the tracking on because it looks like the
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camera's not tracked, but you know what guys?
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It looks like it stays a little bit too behind like my face is
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always too close. I'm going to have to fix up this
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source right here because it's a little bit too it's a little bit
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too out of alignment like you know what I mean like I don't
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care if when I move left, but there you go it looks a little
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bit better we'll see we'll test it out and then I go this way.
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It seems like I mean the camera doesn't move fast enough, but I
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don't want to move too fast either because then the movement
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becomes obnoxious. I so guys, while we are waiting,
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there was a couple of interesting things that I found
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while consuming YouTube, you know, throughout whenever I can
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man, cuz I, I do get pretty busy, but there are have been
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some very interesting things going on in the world and I
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think that they deserve a talking to or talking about.
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Hey, we have a guest this fast that is probably a record for
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this channel because it's hard to get people to call in.
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I don't know if Mr. Steve can hear me, but I can see him.
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Mr. Steve, can you hear me? I can hear you.
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Can you hear me? I can hear you.
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What is going on, my brother? Have you gone over?
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Have you gone? Have you gone over the debate
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rules in the description? No, I haven't.
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OK, so whatever here. I'll, I'll, I'll break it down
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nice and simple for you. OK, Any statement that you make,
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all my guests get the first they get to make their opening
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statement what they believe. You have two minutes.
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As a matter of fact, here, let me bring up the timer and the
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reason I'm doing this now, guys. And Mr. Steve is going to be the
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first person that I do this with because here's the thing, when I
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was letting people talk on and on and on, things were getting a
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little bit too verbose on both sides.
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And I want this to sound like a conversation and not like a
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lecture. But I also don't want it to be a
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thing where people try to come in here and build their
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narrative. Because again, that is something
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that people like to try to do, which I will not tolerate for
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obvious reasons. Because at the end of the day,
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this is supposed to be about getting articulate thoughts out
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there, regardless of whether we agree or not.
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So I'm going to start your timer, Steve, you have two
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minutes and you, you're, you're basically arguing that Jesus is
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not God, essentially correct. I'm I'm arguing that Jesus is
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God's word in in John 11. OK.
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So, OK, so are you starting your statement now?
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I'm ready to start whenever you want me to.
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OK, so all right, great. So here I will.
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Yeah, absolutely. When you are done, it doesn't
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have to be two minutes, it can be less, but two minutes at the
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Max it. Probably won't take two minutes.
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OK. And then when you're done, just
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say I yield. When you yield, then that'll be
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my turn. You mute yourself.
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And yeah, you you seem like a good enough civilized guy.
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So you go ahead and start. Your time starts now.
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Go. OK, well I he's just said that
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everything needs to be backed up by scripture.
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So I'm going to start with Proverbs 12/14.
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And it that says that the men shall feel the good of the fruit
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of their mouth. Now the fruit of their mouth is
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their word. And we also the Bible says that
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we know them by their fruit. In John 11 it says that in the
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beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
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was God, and it was by God's Word that He created everything.
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Later on in John 114 it says the Word took on flesh.
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It was when the Word took on flesh that it became the Son.
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But the Son is still the Word of the Father, and the Word of the
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Father is the fruit of his mouth, and it's by His fruit
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that we know Him. So God is one person.
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We know him by the fruit of his own mouth, which is His Word.
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And His Word took on flesh as Jesus.
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But there is not three people. It's just one God and his Word.
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And He has put authority in His word.
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He's given a He allows his Word to be the final judge.
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He created by His Word, He sustains by His Word, and
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everything is just the one God and His Word and His Word has
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authority. And that's it.
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I'll yield for now. Excellent.
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Thank you so much, my brother, for your brother Steve, for your
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opening statement. And he did it in notice, guys
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did it. He did it articulately.
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He did it respectfully. He did it in a minute and 37
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seconds. That's what I'm talking about.
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Now, I and I do understand what you're saying, brother Steve,
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But here's the problem. You are collapsing the
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distinctions that Scripture itself makes, OK?
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Oh, you know what? Sorry.
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I'm sorry, guys. Let me, let me time myself too,
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OK? So to be honest, I don't really
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like time debates. Can we just have a chat?
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Sure, sure. So here to start off, you're
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quoting Proverbs 12/14 about the fruit of the mouth.
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But here's a problem. That proverb is talking about
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human speech. It is not defining ontological,
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the ontological nature of God. It's actually poetic language
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about consequences. And that's not a blueprint for
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the Trinity. So I understand what you were
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appealing to, but it was, but it was misused.
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OK, and I get it. I, I understand.
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But again, I'm using, I'm using the hermeneutics of the actual
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scripture that you attempted to use because you're attempting to
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use it in a way that is, that is inappropriate.
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So let me finish what I got to say now I want to because I
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wanted to address the misuse of John one right because you said
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the word became son right when it took on the flesh.
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But John actually never says that.
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John 11 says the word was with God and the word was God.
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The Greek there, the Greek there is prostone they own, right?
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Meaning face to face with God. That's relationship.
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OK, That's not self talk. You can't be with yourself in
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that kind of intimate relational way.
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It destroyed destroys the whole point of the verse that's
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insinuating A narcissistic view of that God would have of
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himself which we know that God does not have.
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Then next you brought up John 114 the word became flesh which
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is correct but it does not say that the word turned into the
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Son. The word was always a son in
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relation to the Father. And you can reference John 17
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five where it says glorify me with the glory I had with you
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before the world began. That is pre-existing distance
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and distinction. Then you also.
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Claim Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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I need to be able to walk you back.
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OK, well, The thing is you want to walk me back, but I allowed
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you. I allowed you to.
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So here's the thing. If you, if I allow you to, to,
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to go all the way through with all your points, you had
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everything out right, Then it is my job to rebuttal every single
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that that that's fine. That's fine.
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And I'm and I'm and I'm not even, I'm not even on 2 minutes.
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You've actually cut me off like 2-3 times already.
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All right, then you also claim that the word is the fruit of
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God's mouth, and therefore he's one person with his word.
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But again, you're flattening out categories.
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OK? Because Hebrews 1/3 says that
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the sun is the radiance of God's glory and the exact
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representation of his being. It's not just a sound or speech,
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right? Of of his being a representation
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of his. Being.
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Not just the sound of speech. OK, Steve, listen again.
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I'm I'm going to reiterate because this is exactly what I
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don't hear. I watch plenty of debate
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channels and this, this is those are the kinds of videos that
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pissed me off when one person is trying to talk and you have
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another person obnoxiously chiming in, OK, which I did not
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do to you. So I'm going to ask you for the
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last time. You made a bunch of points.
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I let you get through every single one of them.
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I didn't make a sound. I'm going to rebuttal your
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points. I am not going to allow myself
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to be cut off the way that you were not cut off.
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Because now what it becomes is people just in a back and forth
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and every time I try to say something, you try to chime in
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because you don't like that I'm rebuttaling your points.
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Now, if you want to have a much shorter 1, you should have used
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less points and we could have a stood.
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We could have stood on one point, but you didn't do that.
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You didn't expect me to address every single one of your points
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and point out the flaws in the points you were making.
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And now you're trying to cut me off.
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So here's what we're going to do.
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I'm going to give you one more chance.
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Pick the point that you want to speak about the most because you
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used a bunch of scripture and now that I'm rebuttaling and I'm
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taking it apart 1 by 1, you are constantly trying to chime in.
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So take the one point that you want, talk about that.
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I'm going to give you 2 minutes. I know you don't like time
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debates, but again, there's a reason why I structure my
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debates the way that I do. I'm not going to have these,
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these these, these, these TikTok type debates where people are
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just talking over each other and talking into each other,
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especially when I gave you the courtesy of not doing that to
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you. So say what you have to say.
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I'm going to give you another 2 minutes and make sure that
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whatever you have to say is not something that you're going to
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try to chime in again. I'm going to write down
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everything that I think needs to be rebuttaled and then I'm going
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to do so. And you're going to give me the
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same respect that I'm giving to you.
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So go ahead and say what you got to say.
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OK, what I want to say is that I don't want 2 minutes so I just
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want to talk about one point at a time to make it easier.
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And. Now you're interrupting me.
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Shush. Right the the point is that the
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word. OK, hold on, hold on, hold.
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On, you're interrupting. Me.
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I know, I know. I'm interrupting you all.
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I saw all I said. The only thing that I said was
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go ahead. Don't you ever in your life
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again tell me to shush. I'm not your child.
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I'm not your wife. Watch your damn mouth when
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you're speaking to me. I am not your subordinate.
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I don't give a damn. You're a guest on my show.
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You will respect me the same way I respected you.
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You are using a scripture out of context.
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You think you know what the hell you're talking about and then
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the moment that I start pointing out all your flaws, you start
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trying to chime in like a child. If you can't hold your water,
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then don't call someone. Show.
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If you can't abide by the rules, say what you got to say.
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And don't you ever in your damn life tell me to shush again.
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Now say what you have to say. What I have to say is that the
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fruit of God's mouth is exactly the same as the fruit of man's
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mouth. And if you want to make the
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fruit of God's mouth different to the man's mouth, then you
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need to prove that. Go, I'm done.
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Prove it. So why is God's word different
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to man's word? I'm sorry.
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So the logic that you just tried to use completely imploded.
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You're saying that the fruit of God's mouth has to mean the same
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thing as the fruit of man's mouth.
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But where's the rule? OK, are, are, are, are how old
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are you? Are you, are you over to?
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Are you an adult? I'm probably older than you.
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OK then act like it. Shut your damn mouth when
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someone's trying to answer you tell you.
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What idiot, right? You're a fool.
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The only fool is you. You don't know how to.
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You don't know how to read. Why don't you learn how to read
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before you try to come on someone's show?
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That's what you need to do. You need to learn how to read.
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You need to stop acting like just because you read things in
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a certain way or you've read them or heard them in a certain
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way, it means that you know what you're talking about because you
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don't know what you're talking about.
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You don't you, you have, you don't have the slightest clue
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what you're talking about, OK. Because at the end of the day,
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you're making implications and you're making assertions without
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knowing what the hell you're talking about.
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Because I want to know, where's the rule that says that God's
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metaphors operate at the same level as ours do?
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That's a complete category error, which doesn't surprise me
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coming from a fool like you. And the Bible does not support
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your assumption. So let's use the Bible to
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destroy your idiocy. And I'm going to do it free of
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interruption because obviously no matter how old you are, the
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proof is in the pudding that you can age an age an age and for
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mature. So let me give you Scripture
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right in your face. Isaiah chapter 55 verses 8-9
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says, for my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your
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ways. My ways declares the Lord as the
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heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher
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than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.
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So right there you've got a clear statement from God that he
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doesn't operate on man's level, which you clearly didn't
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understand, including how he speaks.
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Now let's talk about the actual fruit of God's mouth that you
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keep alluding to, which you clearly don't understand.
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You can actually consult Isaiah chapter 55 verse 11, where he
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says, So shall my word be. That goes out from my mouth.
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It shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that
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which I propose. That is divine speech with what
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we call creative power. Now you can compare that to
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Proverbs 12/14, which is clearly moral wisdom about human
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consequences, where it says from the fruits of his mouth a man is
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satisfied with good. One is describing casual
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consequences, the other is describing sovereign execution
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of God's divine will. So no, they're not the same
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thing. You're ripping 1 proverb out of
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context and then demanding that God be reduced to human analogy.
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That's backwards theology, which again, doesn't surprise me
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coming from you. In fact, in Numbers chapter 23,
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verse 19, it says God is not a man that he should lie, nor a
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son of man that He should change his mind.
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That includes, unfortunately for you and your fallacious point,
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how God speaks. And here's the final nail in
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your coffin. You're still ignoring John 11
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where it says the Word was with God, not just an aspect of God.
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That's not fruit, that's fellowship.
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You cannot have fellowship with your own metaphor.
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So if you want to argue that God's mouth and man's mouth must
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operate identically. You need to prove from Scripture
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that God's metaphors are bound to human limitations, which
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obviously you're extremely limited mind doesn't have the
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ability to comprehend. But Isaiah already crushed that.
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The burden is back on you. I have no burden to prove
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anything because Scripture proves it.
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So now you, you, you go ahead and try to combat that.
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You haven't proven anything what you've just ranted.
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You've said that God's ways are higher than always, but you
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haven't proven that we can't know God by his fruit, God's
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word. If Jesus is God's word and we
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can know God by his word, then you haven't proven anything.
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You've literally just ranted. You've listened to your own
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voice and you've proven nothing. So here's the thing, you came in
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here. I use scripture to refute you
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and I'm so glad you're. This is what I already I was
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wondering if I was actually going to get a video today,
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guys, and I already have a clip. I have the first fool stepping
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up and doesn't listen to anybody but himself because you're
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shifting. You're shifting the goal posts,
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you clown. You said we can know God by his
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fruit, meaning his word, which is Jesus, which is Jesus.
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And yes, John 114 says the word became flesh and dwelt among us
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and he, dude, shut your face. Dude.
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You're, you're telling me to prove things and I'm using
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Scripture to prove it, but you're not interested in
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listening to that. You just want to cut me off
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because you didn't think that I was actually going to be able to
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debunk you, which I've done three times already.
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John 114 says the Word became flesh and the flesh dwelt among
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us. And Hebrews 1/3 says Jesus is
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the exact imprint of God's nature.
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So yes, we can know God through Jesus.
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Nobody is denying that. That is basic Christian
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doctrine. But your argument isn't just
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that we know God through his word.
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You're trying to claim that because Jesus is the Word,
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therefore God must be one person and the word is just an
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extension of himself, like like breath or like speech or
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something else. But that's where your case falls
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apart and scripture shuts that down.
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This isn't about my voice. I'm literally using scripture to
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refute all of the idiocy that you're trying to put out.
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You're stringing, you're stringing random words together
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and hoping that it that it, that it debunked something.
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Which verse do you want? Romans 120.
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What about Romans 120? Pull it up on the screen.
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Romans 120 For since the creation of the world, a God's
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invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature, have
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been clearly seen, being understood from what has been
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made so that people are without excuse.
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What is run? Romans 120.
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How does that help you out? The point is that the Godhead is
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clearly seen and understood and you have no excuse.
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And I'm trying to teach you, and you're too.
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You, you, you can't teach me because you have nothing to
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teach you. You're you're using, you're
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using Scripture. You're using Scripture in a way
23:11
that you understand it or what you're trying to twist it into
23:13
what you want. But The thing is, Romans 120
23:16
proves my point and not yours. Paul in Romans 120, do you even
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know what he was saying? He's saying that God's
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attributes. You think words are a person?
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Paul is we've already gone over that.
23:28
We've already gone over that and Romans 120 and Romans 120, Paul
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is saying that God's attributes, not His full personhood, can be
23:35
understood from creation, His power, His divine nature, His
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invisible qualities. That means general revelation.
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That is not a breakdown of the inner structure of the Godhead.
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Romans 120 doesn't teach that God is just one person and that
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His word, His fruit, is like man's mouth.
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That's not in the text at all. Again, that's you reading what
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you want into the text and you're using a verse about God's
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fingerprints in creation to make a claim about his internal
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being, which the verse never addresses, not even a little
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bit. Again, you're using random
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idiotic exegesis and, and Mr. Steve's mind thinking that
24:08
you're teaching somebody. You can't teach me a thing.
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The only, the, the only teacher that I need is God and God's
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word at which you clearly tried to twist to suit your own needs,
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right? That's like using a shadow on
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the ground to guess what a person had for lunch.
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It's a category error, which you do a lot.
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The doctrine of the Trinity doesn't say that we can't know
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God. It says we know what he's
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revealed. And what has He revealed?
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Well, that the Father sends the Son in John 316, that the Son
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prays to the Father in John 17 one and that the Spirit proceeds
24:35
from the Father and is sent by the Son in John 1526.
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We can also look at 2nd Corinthians 1314, Acts 5, three
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and four and John 11 and all and and that all three are called
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God in every single one of these.
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So can you address, can you prove to me from any one of
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those scriptures that Jesus and Jesus is not the Son, that Jesus
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and the Father Yahweh are not part of the same Godhead?
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Are you able to do that? God's Word is as God's Word is
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as much him as He is him. He can't be separated from His
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Word. You're just saying words.
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You're you're you're you're using ontological.
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You're using an ontological argument that makes absolutely
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no sense. Do you have here, here, let me
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ask, let me ask a question in a, in a way that even you can
25:21
understand. Can you use Scripture to back up
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what you're saying? I have used scripture to back up
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what I'm saying. OK, then use the scripture.
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You don't. You have not used scripture.
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You are saying that words for a person.
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You're saying that God's word is not the equivalent of man's
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word. You haven't proven that.
25:36
You're just ranting from your doctrine of man.
25:38
I used I used biblical scripture to prove it.
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What are you talking about? Thoughts are higher than God.
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You said. God's ways are higher than our
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ways. It doesn't mean that the fruit
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of His mouth is not the way that we can know Him.
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OK, so you're making that assertion.
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Can you use anything in scripture to prove that that?
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Assertion. I don't need to disprove it.
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You're the one who's making the fallacious.
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You're making the fallacious assertion.
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You are making the fallacious. You are making fallacious
26:04
assertions and then saying it is my obligation to prove it.
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Absolutely not. I have used nothing but biblical
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scripture to show the entire world that you're a liar.
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I use John 316, John 17 one, John 1526, Second Corinthians
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1314, Acts chapter 5, verses 3 and 4.
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I'm, I'm talking, I'm not interested in what you're
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saying. John chapter one verse one,
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right. We went back I don't know how
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many times Numbers 2319, you try to use Romans one.
26:30
I showed you how you were using Proverbs 12/14 erroneously,
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right? Even the Scripture right in your
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face, Isaiah 55, eight and nine, where it says for my thoughts
26:39
are not your thoughts, neither are my ways your ways.
26:40
And you're telling me that the book of Isaiah chapter 55 verse
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8 and 9 does not completely contradict what you're saying?
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That's what you're saying. Baseless.
26:49
Your claims are baseless. How are they baseless?
26:51
You say that I use proverb 12/14 out of context.
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You haven't proven that you've made that.
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Claim I read it and I explained the anthological meaning of it.
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I explained the exegesis. I don't think you've explained
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anything. Cannot be a parable towards God.
27:06
You said it can be related to man and the fruit of man's
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mouth, but you said it cannot be related to God and the fruit of
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his mouth. You know what?
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That, that, that that's actually, this is actually my
27:16
fault because I, I don't think that, but I explained thoroughly
27:19
to you that when you debate on this channel that you are to use
27:23
evidence and you started. With that verse.
27:27
You started with the verse, but then I have I have used
27:30
countless other verses to disprove your lie and I even
27:33
showed the one that you used was a lie as well.
27:36
And you know what you did? You just said that it's up to me
27:38
to prove it, even though I'm using scripture to disprove your
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lie. To what scripture did you use to
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this? There is no there's no way in
27:47
hell. There is no way in hell you're
27:49
coming into my stream. There is.
27:50
Hold on. Stop, Stop, Stop, stop, stop,
27:54
stop, stop, stop. It just goes to show that having
27:57
an accent does not make you intelligent.
27:59
Ladies and gentlemen, the man came in here and said that he
28:02
was going to teach me something. Right.
28:04
He said he was going to come in here and, and, and, and teach me
28:07
something and then says I haven't used scripture to debunk
28:10
him. I have used any number of
28:12
scriptures to debunk him and he's literally in here saying
28:15
that I haven't used any scripture to debunk him.
28:17
Are you kidding me? This is exactly what I'm talking
28:20
about. What a fool.
28:24
How can you be such a fool? I, I, I, I don't understand
28:29
that. I don't understand how you can
28:30
come in, use Proverbs 12/14 and then have me show the entirety
28:34
of the world how much of an idiot you're being by using 12
28:37
Proverbs 12/14. And I explain to the world.
28:40
And then I give you at least a dozen other scriptures showing
28:43
that what you're saying is a lie.
28:45
The man's entire argument was God's word is still his word,
28:47
and it's just his word and it's his word.
28:49
And it doesn't mean that there's someone at what, what are you
28:52
talking about? If you're going to try to teach
28:54
somebody something, at least know what you're talking about,
28:58
right? So it looks like Scorpion's
29:00
trying to call in catching up on chat.
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Paul's letters predate the gospels.
29:07
Mark predates John wrong. Jesus was a mythical demigod.
29:11
Like anybody who wants to come in.
29:14
And if you guys have any doubts about Jesus Christ, the Trinity,
29:18
if you think that you can disprove that Jesus is God,
29:21
please let me know. Scorpion was in here.
29:23
Scorpion, if you're still here, you are welcome to call.
29:25
I, I'm not I did not kick you out.
29:27
I was waiting for you to start talking.
29:28
I was going to finish saying what I was saying.
29:30
Steve is a very, very. Guys, here's the thing, man, if
29:37
you're going to call into a show, at least have an idea of
29:41
what the hell you're talking about.
29:42
Don't call here and tell me that I have to prove something to you
29:45
now. Let me know in the chat.
29:46
Let me know in the chat because maybe maybe I'm just losing it.
29:49
OK, but the man says that I didn't use any biblical verses
29:55
to disprove what he said, right? Did did I or did I not make it
30:00
clear with several biblical verses that what he was saying
30:03
about Jesus being the Son of God and about the Godhead?
30:06
Was I not clear in what I was saying to him?
30:09
Or, or, or is it that he was just so upset that he didn't
30:14
expect me to have an answer, right?
30:16
So let me know in the chat, do you guys think that I was using
30:19
scripture? Or was it that just that he
30:21
didn't want to listen because he sat there and made the he, he
30:24
made the assertion. He says, well, you, you have to,
30:27
I don't have to prove a damn thing to you.
30:29
I just used scripture to show you that you were lying about
30:31
scripture. And then the one scripture that
30:33
you did use, which was 12/14, you completely read it.
30:36
You you read it and you, you put your own meaning into it, Right.
30:41
I felt like Steve just went around on a roller coaster.
30:43
Even I got that. Yeah, he Yeah, he's a fool.
30:45
He's a complete fool. Well, Steve, you know what?
30:50
Again, you didn't. You didn't prove a thing, dude.
30:51
You came in here and you got upset.
30:53
You tried to cut me off. You got the respect that you
30:55
didn't want to give back. And then when I checked your
30:57
ass, you didn't want to. You didn't like it because you
31:00
didn't expect it. But I, I tell you guys, I am not
31:02
tolerant of people like, like Steve.
31:04
I don't, I don't care. You're not just going to sit
31:06
there and string a bunch of words together thinking that
31:09
because it sounds intelligent to other people, I am going to
31:12
therefore categorize it as intelligent.
31:14
You're not intelligent, you're not, you're not cute, you're not
31:16
smart. And you, and you definitely
31:18
aren't going to undo 2000 years. Actually more than that, because
31:21
the Trinity is, is already spoken about all the way back
31:25
from the Old Testament from the book of Genesis, right?
31:27
Genesis 315, if I'm not mistaken, is the first time you
31:29
that the Bible talks about Jesus, the Torah spoke about
31:32
Jesus, even though there are countless Jewish people out
31:34
there who don't want to admit it, but I don't care what they
31:36
want to admit. I'm here to tell the truth,
31:38
right, brother Maverick, when you get the chance, could you
31:43
please say a quick prayer for me on moving situation and for me
31:48
to stay strong in my faith in jail?
31:49
Amen, Mr. Monozar. I sure will, Steve, Nobody's
31:53
going to. Nobody, literally nobody is
31:54
going to speak to you in the nobody's gonna speak to you in
31:57
the comment section, bro. You're, you're not you're,
31:59
you're, you're a disrespectful, lying fool.
32:01
And you came in here and you tried to use scripture that you
32:04
don't even actually know what it says.
32:05
And then you used one scripture. I used 12 or 13 and said that I
32:10
haven't proven anything after the very first thing that you
32:13
said. I used to completely destroy
32:15
everything you said, Scorpion. You can come back in if you
32:17
want. We're still waiting for anybody
32:19
to come in and try to prove that Jesus is not God.
32:22
I know that Scorpion loves to debate.
32:26
That claim is not backed by any logical argument.
32:30
I I don't even know who this person is.
32:33
Fantasy as fantasy aesthetic. I don't Yeah, I don't a lot of I
32:40
don't even see his comment. You don't see whose comments,
32:44
Scott? Well, because you're in the
32:46
other one. So if Steve is in.
32:49
Let's see Steve is in the YouTube shorts feed.
32:52
That's why he's in the YouTube shorts and you're in YouTube
32:54
live. So and I want to say welcome to
32:56
everybody on YouTube. Welcome to everybody on YouTube
32:59
live. Welcome to everyone on YouTube
33:01
Shorts live also on Rumble on Trovo and TikTok.
33:04
Welcome to everybody. We are still waiting for a
33:06
guest. We had scorpion.
33:09
I'm speaking, but it's like my voice is not reaching through.
33:12
It's all good. Scorpion, try to come in again.
33:13
I did hear you, but that that that guy was, was too busy
33:16
talking over. But that's why I had to check
33:18
him. Yeah.
33:19
And and I will tell you something else.
33:21
Anybody, whoever decides to call my show, you will not tell me to
33:24
shush. You will not try to talk over
33:26
me. You will not disrespect me.
33:28
No, I I don't tolerate it when I'm face to face with people.
33:31
And I damn sure won't tolerate it when I'm talking to people on
33:34
my show, especially not a bunch of liars.
33:38
OK, Steve, whatever you say, brother, whatever you you tell
33:40
yourself. Whatever you got to tell
33:41
yourself. I only use biblical Scripture,
33:43
which knows a lot more than you. I don't need, I, I'm not
33:46
obligated to prove anything because biblical scripture does
33:50
it right. And I used it and you didn't
33:51
like that I did it. That's why you kept trying to
33:53
cut me off. You're, you're a liar.
33:55
You're a fool. And, and your kind of lies are
33:58
the ones that I love to disprove and destroy.
34:00
And that's why you didn't, you said that all I did was talk and
34:02
all I did was, was listen to myself.
34:04
I was literally reading biblical scripture.
34:06
I wrote down every lie that you said and I pulled it apart and
34:08
you didn't like it. Do do do the calling to the
34:13
show. Yeah, brother Maverick has two
34:14
streams going at the same time. You're still I don't know what
34:18
that stupid argument Michelle that doesn't God, I I wouldn't
34:21
even LRC and got LRC and I would not do not engage with Michelle.
34:26
Michelle can continue to say whatever she wants to say.
34:30
At the end of the day, no matter what you think, I want you guys
34:34
to think about who these people are, right?
34:36
Whether they're Muslims, non believers, whatever the case may
34:38
be. Maverick, when he told you to
34:41
shush, I almost slipped when I was walking.
34:44
That's a no. Yeah.
34:45
I don't tolerate it, dude. I don't talk.
34:47
You, you can talk like that to whoever you want in your life.
34:50
You can talk like that to your women, to whoever is in your
34:52
life that allows it. But I promise and guarantee you
34:55
you're not going to do it to me here.
34:56
And, and and and you definitely wouldn't do it to me face to
34:58
face because I don't play that shit.
35:00
Sorry, sorry. And I'm sorry for swearing, but
35:02
I, I I'll be damned. I will be damned.
35:04
I do not allow people to disrespect me.
35:06
I respect people. You're going to respect me.
35:08
That's just how it is. You are definitely.
35:12
You are definitely not going to do things to me here that you
35:13
don't do that, that, that I wouldn't allow.
35:15
Hell no. Nope.
35:18
What up, Brett? Welcome, man.
35:20
Long time. Hey, how you doing there guy?
35:23
What's going on man? How you feeling?
35:26
I'm feeling a lot better. I'm going to move my microphone
35:29
over by me. I don't know if you can hear.
35:31
Me, I can hear you. Yeah, I hear you.
35:32
I hear you, Michelle. No, nobody's insulting.
35:35
Nobody's insulting you. I'm telling the truth.
35:36
You. Here's the thing now.
35:38
And and I want you to really think about this, guys.
35:40
This is something that I've been thinking about.
35:41
And I'm sure that Brett will agree with me because I
35:44
honestly, guys, no one has been through more than Brett when it
35:49
comes to like people attacking him, right?
35:51
I mean, yeah, I get, I get people like, you know, sending
35:54
me stuff or, or, or trying to make videos about me.
35:56
What? I don't care.
35:57
That stuff doesn't bother me. It is what it is.
35:58
You're when you're in this space, you have to understand
36:01
that that comes with the territory.
36:02
And nobody knows that better than Brett.
36:04
But I it doesn't, it doesn't bother me in the way that you
36:07
think it does. Michelle, What I, the reason I'm
36:09
saying what I'm saying is because you, I, I go live
36:13
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, right? And as much as I appreciate you
36:16
being here, you're not here because you want to have a
36:19
constructive conversation. You are here because you think
36:23
that people are listening to you or you want to, you know, spew
36:28
your anti biblical comments in the comment section, whatever it
36:31
is that you are are are thinking that you're doing.
36:33
Here's the problem with you. You don't have a way to actually
36:37
you you can call into the show, right?
36:39
You can call into the show. You can do cross unit that live
36:41
forward slash call you I I, you have been told.
36:45
You've probably heard that hundreds of times by now.
36:47
But instead you you cower in a comment section.
36:51
I have little to no respect for people who will cower in a
36:54
comment section making all of the making all of the comments
36:57
that they make, because you know that that's as far as you'll
37:00
ever go. You know that the minute that
37:02
you try to come into my show, everything that you say is going
37:05
to get eviscerated, right? I'm going to take a flamethrower
37:07
to all of it. And that's, that's why I'm
37:10
saying it's not about insulting you.
37:11
If you take the truth as an insult, that's just too damn
37:13
bad. I, in case anyone hasn't
37:15
noticed, I care very little for what people think about me or,
37:19
or the way that I do things. If you don't like it, you know
37:22
where you can go. That, that that's, that's,
37:24
that's the, that's the long and, and the short of it, man, you
37:27
know, looks like we have Wyatt. Wyatt, can you hear me?
37:33
Hello. Hello, Wyatt.
37:35
How can I help you? As.
37:38
A hold on. First of all, are you, are you
37:39
familiar with the debate rules? Yes, I am.
37:42
I will not interrupt you. 2 minutes for every statement.
37:46
Make your opening statement. Make your you know you have two
37:48
minutes. I will let you know when 2
37:49
minutes is up. I'll let you you know, I'll
37:50
indulge you a little bit. Whatever you say, make sure that
37:54
it is backed by evidence, whether it be theological,
37:56
whether it be even philosophical, which whatever
38:01
historical, archaeological, make sure that whatever you're saying
38:04
has some basis, something that when I say where do you get this
38:06
assertion, you have to be able to back it up.
38:09
I don't like when people just say things for the sake of
38:11
saying it because it's at that point it's just an opinion,
38:13
right? So go ahead and say whatever you
38:15
got to say. You have two minutes starting
38:17
now. Go.
38:18
Now so I came on here because once you express that I love
38:25
what you do in this bed because I am a Lutheran and I was always
38:33
trying to figure out an argument to you again people who argue
38:40
against what Jesus Christ and God and God said.
38:46
So this really just you know, hang out and say thank you very
38:50
much. OK, you have gotten a new
38:53
information on how to argue and how to prove that.
39:00
Excellent. I appreciate that, man.
39:01
Thank you. What did they ask?
39:06
Continue that. So I, from what I got basically
39:09
was that he, he was trying to figure out an argument that you
39:15
can use against people who argue that with Jesus Christ and God,
39:19
you know, and for the Trinity and that Jesus is God and stuff
39:22
like that. Because a lot of people, you
39:23
know, especially nowadays think that they have their little
39:25
Reddit argument. So he's just basically giving me
39:28
appreciation for what we do here.
39:30
Steve, I just want to know here, hold on, let me go back.
39:33
So I did not kick Steve. Steve ended up leaving because I
39:37
was ready to talk to Scorpion as well.
39:39
So I didn't kick Steve. I and and I tell people when I
39:41
kicked him, I did not kick him that at the end of the day, he
39:44
ended up leaving because he didn't like that.
39:46
He couldn't he didn't get his way with me.
39:48
And and from what I was saying, just like I didn't kick Wyatt,
39:51
right. Wyatt just left right now.
39:52
And thank you, Wyatt for coming on here for the you know, and
39:55
giving me your kind words. I really appreciate it.
39:58
Yeah, I don't I, I don't have any issue arguing for the
40:03
divinity of Christ because for me, that's it's easy right
40:07
there. There's no way that you can look
40:10
at the. Events of the life of Christ and
40:14
say that he wasn't God right there.
40:16
Until this day, there is no other feasible explanation for
40:19
the resurrection. Not historically, not
40:21
archaeologically, not otherwise. Right.
40:23
And Muslims especially don't have a leg to stand on when it
40:25
comes down to it. Because in your own book, which
40:27
is a self refuting book, which I find hilarious, even in your
40:32
book, Jesus is the one that returns to judge, not Muhammad,
40:34
right? I I find it extraordinarily
40:36
interesting that even the Quran makes it clear that the one who
40:39
will return to judge is Jesus Christ.
40:41
If anyone wants to call into the show cross unit dot live forward
40:44
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40:47
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40:50
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40:53
live or TikTok, it's right there above me, the top one.
40:55
All you got to do is go into your browser of choice and type
40:57
out cross unit dot live forward slash call if you want prayer,
41:01
which I'm going to pray for Archangel as well before the end
41:04
of the stream for his move cross unit dot live forward slash pray
41:07
where it will bring up the prayer request form.
41:10
I haven't gotten a prayer request form in days guys, so go
41:12
ahead and use it. It is there for you.
41:13
It is free of charge. I'm not, you know what I mean.
41:15
All you guys got to do is let me know that you want prayer
41:18
because I have been checking and we don't have yeah, we still
41:21
have the same 8 submissions. Cross unit dot live forward
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slash pray if you want prayer. Leave your e-mail.
41:27
If you want me to reach out to you, any e-mail or whatever,
41:30
even if it's a temporary one. If you want me to reach out and
41:32
say that I pray for you have no problem whatsoever.
41:37
I can't believe creatures like this exist.
41:39
Find truth. Yeah, Steve, Yeah, I'd again, I
41:45
don't know what you're on about. Nobody kicked you.
41:47
You're welcome to come back in. You can stop lying about being
41:50
kicked because nobody kicked you.
41:51
You're you. You rant a lot.
41:53
You do so without any information.
41:55
If you come back in, I will warn you that whatever you're saying,
41:58
whatever argument you are making you, it had better be backed by
42:01
biblical scripture or some sort of history or archaeology,
42:04
archaeology, some sort of patristic philosophy behind.
42:08
I'm talking about something, something not just not just your
42:11
word salad, brother. I, I, I want actual scholarship
42:15
behind what you say. Unfortunately, nothing that you
42:17
said had any and, and to go back to you, Michelle again, I, I say
42:21
what I say because it's the truth and I know I understand
42:23
that you don't, you guys don't like it.
42:25
I don't care, man. I don't care.
42:27
I, I'm sick and tired of people. I'm thinking that they can just
42:29
troll in the comment section. You literally wait for my
42:31
streams every single time I go live to come into my comment
42:34
section and people are obliterating you in the comment
42:37
section in the chat. And you still just continue to
42:40
go on and on. And it's like you haven't
42:42
understood that what you're trying to do is not successful.
42:45
You're not, you're not succeeding in what you're trying
42:47
to do. And I think it's hilarious that
42:48
you think it is, right, Augustine, you're you're welcome
42:55
to call in too. And I noticed that the majority
42:56
of people who talk in the in the comment section don't have the
42:59
intestinal fortitude to call in. I am for the Lutheran that was
43:04
in here earlier. I got a couple verses that
43:07
people don't normally use in order to prove the divinity of
43:10
Jesus if you want to hear them. Yeah, please.
43:14
No, not at all. Not at all.
43:15
Fantasy. I I I I was just saying I had no
43:18
idea what you were talking about.
43:19
That's all. No, I know.
43:19
I know. You're you're good, brother.
43:20
Thank you. Go ahead.
43:22
Go ahead. I feel, I feel like these verses
43:24
make it to where there's no argument against it whatsoever.
43:28
There's no confusion, no vagueness.
43:31
Colossians 294 In Christ, all the fullness of the deity lives
43:35
in bodily form. All right, so that's telling you
43:39
that Jesus is a physical body of God right there and then.
43:43
Philippians 267 who, being in the very nature of God, did not
43:49
consider equality with God something to be used to his own
43:52
advantage. Rather, he made himself nothing
43:55
by taking the very nature of a servant being made in human
43:59
likeness. You hear that?
44:01
So it's basically saying God took upon human likeness.
44:04
Then one more Titus 213 while we wait for the blessed hope, the
44:09
appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus
44:13
Christ. I mean, my goodness, right?
44:21
You're muted, unfortunately. Thank you for thank you.
44:24
Let me know. Yeah, that that that's The thing
44:26
is that I, I, I, I was talking to Steve and I don't know if you
44:30
were listening to the stream or not, but while I was talking to
44:33
him, he so he says now, well, your, your, your two-minute
44:37
debate format is for fools. You can't even have a
44:39
conversation. So here's the thing.
44:41
When he first started speaking, he didn't think that it was for
44:44
fools, right? Because he got to say whatever
44:46
he wanted to say and he got to talk as as much as he wanted to
44:50
with an unlimited manner. And I didn't say a single word.
44:52
The minute that I started speaking and the minute that I
44:55
started addressing everything fallacious in his argument, all
44:58
of a sudden he had a problem with the two-minute formatting.
45:01
I don't give a damn if you have a problem with the formatting.
45:03
If you don't like it, you don't have to call the show, right?
45:05
But also don't think that just because you call in and because
45:08
you expected for me to start fumbling and you expected for me
45:12
not to be organized in my thoughts, to not be able to
45:14
disprove you. Don't think for a second that
45:16
that means that I am obligated to let you continue to interrupt
45:20
me and tell me the shush and all the other things that you're
45:21
doing is that it's not going to work like that.
45:23
It's not. And I, and I'd get it.
45:24
I know that that's what you guys want, but it's never going to
45:26
work like that here, man. I, I, my life is such that I am
45:30
never going to allow that. Not in my show, not anywhere
45:33
else's. Scorpion, welcome back to the
45:35
show, man. So do you think, are you?
45:38
Well, first of all, you're already aware of the rules,
45:39
right? We're going to do 2 minutes so
45:40
that nobody is talking for 5-10 minutes at a time.
45:43
Can you hear me? First of all, Scorpion, are you
45:47
there? Hello.
45:48
Hello. Hello.
45:49
Hello. Can you hear me?
45:50
Yes. So obviously, yes, I can hear
45:52
you. Can you hear?
45:55
Me. Good evening.
45:56
Good evening. Yes, I can hear you good
45:58
evening. How?
45:58
Are you doing good? How are you, brother?
46:03
I'm kind. Of all right, So do you believe
46:06
that Jesus is God? Hello.
46:13
The Scorpion. Are you able to hear, brother?
46:15
He disappeared again. This happens every, this happens
46:18
every single time that he calls. He has like a lot of issues and
46:20
I don't know why. I, I, I would assume he probably
46:23
lives somewhere where his reception isn't that good
46:26
because I can tell from when he calls in that he's on a, like
46:29
he's on a mobile device and I think he moves around like the
46:32
first time he called in, dude, there was like cars in the
46:34
background, rain, Thunder. I'm like, dude, are you like,
46:37
what are you? Are you running a marathon while
46:38
you're calling in the show? I don't know what you're doing
46:40
here. I was wondering what the deal
46:42
was. It sounded like he was talking
46:44
through a commode. Yeah, cross examining scripture
46:47
says Orthodox Muslim is a goofball.
46:48
Yeah, he is man. He, you know, I, here's the
46:51
thing guys, that was another I, I kind of half expected him to
46:53
call in, but I didn't really. Here's the thing, guys like
46:58
Orthodox Muslim and Dean responds are very bad at what
47:04
they do. So they have to set it up in a
47:06
way to where the only way that they will actually debate with
47:09
people is in one or two ways. The majority of their debates
47:13
will happen only on their shows. And then if they do have a more
47:16
structured debate, they end up doing it in a way where it's
47:20
only people that they know and that and it has to be terms that
47:23
they agree to. And that's it, right?
47:26
Especially Libiano, because he knows what he's doing.
47:28
He's he's trying to, he's trying to clip for.
47:30
So, Scorpion, can you hear me now?
47:34
Yes, I'm so sorry. It's my network.
47:36
You're fine. You're fine.
47:37
So here you're already, you're already familiar with the debate
47:40
rules. The only thing that I have
47:41
implemented since the last time we talked is because I was going
47:45
over some old footage and I'm talking too much, the opponents
47:48
are talking too much, and at some point it just starts
47:50
sounding like a lecture. So I wanted to make it more
47:53
structured. Does that make sense?
47:56
So at the end, Scorpion, do you believe we're going to do 2
47:59
minutes? You're going to make your
48:00
statement. It doesn't have to be two
48:02
minutes. We're just going to do 2 minutes
48:03
at Max. When your time is up, I will
48:06
make sure that that I will let you know and when you're when my
48:13
time is up, I definitely won't. I you guys can look at the look
48:15
at the clock on your end if you want.
48:19
Give me one second. Just because I don't want it to
48:28
be going on and on. I want there to be more of an
48:31
exchange. Does that make sense?
48:33
OK, so, Scorpion, do you believe?
48:36
Do you believe that Jesus? No, that's fine.
48:39
Do you believe that Jesus is God?
48:41
Huh. What was that?
48:45
No. OK, do you think that OK, so the
48:49
title, the title is can any, you're a Muslim.
48:51
I obviously right. Can any Muslim prove that Jesus
48:55
is not God? Can you prove that he is not
48:57
God? Remember, your statements have
48:58
to be evidence based. They have to be scripturally
49:01
based. I I, I will be generous and
49:05
allow you to use the Quran if you want, even though we've
49:07
established that the Quran is a self refuting book.
49:10
Scorpion is gone again. All right, we're going to see if
49:12
we can let him eat it together because this this happens a lot.
49:15
Med Med the Muslim, you have to turn the stream down in the
49:18
background if you want to talk man, because I can't hear myself
49:20
twice. I, I, I will be generous.
49:23
Matt, are you there? He's playing the broadcast.
49:28
Right, Matt, can you hear me? Unfortunately, there's a lot of
49:39
Muslims out there that don't seem to understand technology in
49:42
2025. Can you hear?
49:43
Me. Yes, we can hear you.
49:45
OK. Thank you for turning the stream
49:46
down. I had to wait for him to
49:47
actually say it on delay. OK, so do you do you understand
49:50
the debate rules? Do you understand the time
49:51
constraints? Do you understand the premise of
49:53
the stream of the debate? Hello Med, are you there?
50:03
It's. Huge.
50:05
You can hear me right, Brett? Yeah, you're coming too.
50:10
Fine. OK, go.
50:11
To a low pressure environment to grow to get a chance.
50:14
Med can you hear me? Med the Muslim, can you hear me?
50:17
Here's from now. All right, I'm muting.
50:21
I'm going to mute Med the Muslim for now.
50:23
See if he can get it together. Scorpion, you are back.
50:25
Hopefully for good this time. Can you hear me, Scorpion?
50:32
Man, what is going on? Trying to switch my network.
50:34
I'm trying to switch my network provider so that it would be
50:37
clearer. OK.
50:38
I would think this. Network this network.
50:40
Yeah. All right, scorpion, you don't
50:44
believe that Jesus is God. You have two minutes to prove.
50:47
You have two minutes to give your argument.
50:49
Are you ready to give your argument for Jesus not being
50:51
God? Hello.
50:56
All right. OK, Go ahead.
50:57
Go ahead, brother. Go ahead.
51:00
Hello. Yes, go ahead.
51:02
All right. Thank you so much.
51:04
Now I know. I know you don't.
51:11
Oh, come on. Yeah, I don't know, man.
51:19
This happens, like I said, this happens every time.
51:20
And this is not on our end, guys.
51:22
This is just people not understanding how to set up.
51:25
You know? It's it, guys.
51:26
It's, it's it's just. Yeah, it's it's it's only two
51:29
things. You set up a camera.
51:30
You set up a mic. That's it.
51:31
I don't understand what? I don't understand what the
51:33
difficulty is. Scorpion, can you hear us?
51:36
Oh. Geez.
51:42
All right, I'm going to mute him.
51:43
Yeah, this is crazy. Med the Muslim.
51:46
Can you hear me? Med the Muslim.
51:52
Are you there, Archangel? I don't think I have the worst
51:54
signal anymore. As far as phones concerned, I'm
52:01
2nd place and scorpion is first place.
52:03
Oh yeah, Yeah. Why do Muslims never quote a
52:06
full verb? Because then they would destroy
52:08
their argument. They would destroy their
52:11
argument. God.
52:11
That's that's the problem. They they can't like they they
52:14
accused us of doing that with the Quran.
52:16
But but I, I, but I will read several Quran verses in the in
52:19
in order, like when they try to talk about when they try to talk
52:23
about how Muhammad affirmed the Torah when those two Jewish men
52:27
were trying to pretend like they were going to go to Muhammad for
52:31
judgment for the woman in adultery instead of actually
52:34
going by what the Torah said. And they try to make it seem
52:37
like that's about the Exodus story, which it is not about the
52:39
Exodus story. And all you got to do is go a
52:41
couple verses back. So here's the thing.
52:43
In the Bible, when you say read things in context, it actually
52:46
works in your benefit. And the Quran, when you say read
52:49
things in context, it actually strengthens the argument against
52:52
it, which is which is crazy to me.
52:54
What does Messiah mean? Because there is definitely only
52:58
one. Yeah.
52:58
Jesus Christ. Orthodox just converted a family
53:03
on life right there. Orthodox just converted a family
53:08
on life right there. I'm.
53:09
I'm not sure what this guy's talking about.
53:11
I I, you know what? I'm not.
53:12
I don't even know what to do anymore here.
53:14
There's people coming in and out, Brett, but it seems like
53:17
lately, man, there's it's just, it's just the same handful of
53:22
people and they can never really it it, they never really get it
53:25
together. Well, yeah.
53:32
OK, and so, oh, today you have literally become.
53:37
Christian So you've literally become born again I.
53:40
Wouldn't be surprised. Everything that you've ever done
53:43
in the past, all your past deeds, all your sins, all your
53:46
mistakes have now been forgiven. Well, while we're waiting for
53:52
someone who knows how technology works, how's your day been?
53:56
It's good, man. I was looking at orthodox Muslim
53:58
and they said, I guess, I guess an old couple converted to Islam
54:01
right here. At the end of the day, man,
54:04
it's, it's, it's interesting to me the things that people will
54:09
celebrate. My my thing is at the end
54:11
whether the if the the truth, if those people are meant to
54:15
discover the truth, then they will.
54:18
Orthodox Muslim is not good. Those people are going to be
54:22
Muslim until they look long enough at his debates and
54:25
discover how much of A liar he is and discover a lot of other
54:29
counter content showing how much of A liar he is, including
54:31
videos like mine. And then they will go right back
54:33
to discovering that Muhammad was not a prophet and the Quran is a
54:38
self refuting book. A a hilarious one at that.
54:42
All right man. Scorpion and Med the Muslim are
54:45
both back. Neither one of them are muted
54:48
Scorpion, can you hear me? And scorpion is gone again Dude,
54:58
this is I I I swear today is just going to be that day.
55:01
I can see met the Muslim. Are you there?
55:04
I don't understand guys, there are so many people.
55:06
The the numbers are great. Why are we not seeing people
55:11
calling in? I don't get it.
55:12
If you guys all feel like you have what it takes, if you feel
55:15
like you got the chops, then why why, why are we not?
55:18
I mean, what what's going on here guys?
55:21
What is going on? Can we get it together or not?
55:24
The first ten names in the Bible say that God will come down and
55:26
teach us that his death will bring us rest.
55:32
And you know, I like, I, I think, I think orthodox Muslims
55:35
stream is interesting because he says that Christianity is false
55:40
and, and I love that title because if Christianity is false
55:43
and that means again that he deepens the Islamic dilemma for
55:47
himself, which I think is hilarious.
55:49
Scorpion, welcome back for the 7th time.
55:53
Hello. Yes, we can hear you.
55:55
Why I can't hear you? It's network.
55:58
My network is not good at all. OK.
56:01
All right. So, Scorpion, can you?
56:03
You can hear me though, right? Why can't hear nothing?
56:06
Med, we can hear you, we can hear you.
56:11
And they're both going Jeez, dude, I swear, right?
56:14
Yeah, they must be used. They must be brothers and
56:16
sisters. Yeah, I don't know.
56:18
I don't know what's going on. There's two guys, they've both
56:20
called the show before and they've had issues before, but
56:23
this is this is probably the worst that I've ever seen it,
56:25
man. Anybody want to call the show
56:28
cross unit dot live forward slash call?
56:29
It is right there. Cross unit dot live forward
56:31
slash call. We have somebody coming in
56:33
again. I'm not going to get my hopes
56:35
up. I can't.
56:37
I can't hear you. I don't know why.
56:39
Now we can hear each other. Brett, you can hear me.
56:41
I can hear. Brett, we can hear you.
56:44
So there, there's there must be some kind of issue with your
56:47
sound mixer. Yeah, I don't know.
56:50
We can hear. You are you able to hear me?
56:53
He's gone. He's gone.
56:54
Yeah, he's gone, Scorpion. Might as well just block those
56:57
two dumb asses. Hello.
56:59
Yes, Scorpion. What is up man?
57:05
Can you hear me? Sorry, I'm so sorry, the network
57:09
is quite bad. You should probably just try to
57:13
stay still. Don't move anywhere.
57:14
Put your phone in one spot. Leave it there, because the more
57:18
you move, the more you're going to disconnect.
57:22
Is all right? Is all right.
57:23
All right, so you don't believe that Jesus is God?
57:25
Yeah. Go ahead.
57:26
Make your statement, brother. Go ahead.
57:27
We're listening. All right, all right.
57:31
I am trying to give a yardstick from the 114th chapter in the
57:35
Quran. It's just 4 verses.
57:38
It says Allah is 1 Allah the eternal refuge.
57:42
He begets not know what he begotten and there is none other
57:46
comparable to him. Now I know you don't accept the
57:49
Quran as an evidence so I would not want to use that as an
57:52
evidence. But I would like us to go to the
57:55
book of Job chapter 25 verses 4 to 6 that's in the Old
57:59
Testament. It gives us a year stick for
58:02
what God is and what God now the Trinity, the Trinitarian creed
58:08
is. It goes as does that the Father.
58:13
There is one God but in three distinct forms.
58:16
God the Father is Co equal with God the Son and the Holy Ghost
58:22
and that is the Trinitarian creed or the Nicene Creed.
58:25
Now look of Mark to the 13 verse 32 in all versions when that the
58:33
King James version or the International version or the ESP
58:37
version, it is so unequivocally clear that there is no one who
58:44
knows the hour except the Father.
58:46
So the Father has unlimited knowledge.
58:49
You can also find something similar like this I think in the
58:51
book of Mark Chapter 11 or the 12.
58:54
That's the story about the fig tree when just Christ peace be
58:57
upon him. He was so hungry he went and he
58:59
shook the this time of this fig tree, but there was no fig tree
59:03
and he cost it to born and die or is it to rot and die?
59:07
I've forgotten the actual story but the fact of the matter is
59:10
that he while he was on earth he had limited knowledge so he
59:14
could not have been Co equal or Co eternal God Almighty.
59:18
Now in the book of John chapter 5 verse 30, he unequivocally
59:22
makes a statement there he says I can love my own self, do
59:26
nothing as I hear I judge for my judgment is just, for I seek not
59:31
my will but the will of my father.
59:33
He also tells Mary Magdalene in the book of John, I think
59:37
chapter 20 verse 20 if I'm not mistaken as after the event of
59:41
the resurrection in the Bible when he says you should tell
59:44
them I'm going back to my God and your God and my father and
59:48
their father, my God and their God and my God and your God.
59:52
He was being specific also in the book of Luke chapter 6.
59:55
Verse you have 15. You have 15 seconds left, 15
59:59
seconds left. OK, go.
1:00:01
Ahead he clearly states it clearly states that he went up
1:00:05
to the mountain and he prayed all night to God Almighty.
1:00:10
So I would give the other references I have after your
1:00:14
rebuttal. Thank you so much.
1:00:16
You're very welcome and thank you for the clear and concise
1:00:17
statement. Brett, do you have anything to
1:00:20
speak on before before I rebuttal his point?
1:00:23
Sure, just I'll be real quick. Take your time. 2 minutes is too
1:00:28
fair. My point is this, if Jesus is
1:00:31
not God then why does he return in the end times to basically
1:00:35
claim souls and take over the world and the Quran itself?
1:00:41
You can answer that scorpion. OK, OK, I'm not getting clearly.
1:00:47
What did he say? Go ahead.
1:00:49
Repeat your question, Brett, if you don't.
1:00:50
Mind, according to the Quran, whenever the end times comes,
1:00:53
Jesus Christ comes. It's represented a lot like
1:00:57
revelation in the New Testament. Why is it that Jesus, if he's
1:01:01
not God, is coming back in such a miraculous way to claim souls
1:01:06
in the Quran? Actually, the, the, the answer
1:01:13
I'm going to give is that the verse, our version, Islamic
1:01:16
version of what Jesus Christ is going to go in is going to come
1:01:19
and do is quite different from yours.
1:01:22
Because in the hadith it's the Muhammad al Salam Alayhi state
1:01:25
before the Muhammad al Salam Alayhi states that just Christ
1:01:28
is going to come back. He is going to break the cross.
1:01:32
He's going to kill the pig and he's going to establish the rule
1:01:36
on earth. Now if you notice in the Bible
1:01:39
that's in the book of John chapter.
1:01:41
I think this is 16 or 14. I am not quite sure where he was
1:01:46
telling disciples I have yet so many things to say unto you now,
1:01:50
but he cannot get them now. So it is still so clear that he
1:01:54
did not transmit all what would has asked him to transmit.
1:01:58
So I I cannot really give you a full, my references is quite
1:02:03
shaky on that, but my our version of keep coming back
1:02:07
quite different from the. People, there's one last thing
1:02:10
that you also said that only God, which obviously you believe
1:02:14
in Allah knows the time and the hour.
1:02:17
But according to the Quran 4361 says and indeed Jesus will be a
1:02:25
sign for knowledge of the hour. So Jesus is actually the I don't
1:02:31
think, I don't think again, I'm going to give you Quran.
1:02:39
Right, Scorpion. But, but but you.
1:02:41
You see? No, but do you understand?
1:02:42
Do you understand what he's asking you, Scorpion?
1:02:44
Do you understand what? The implication of the judgment.
1:02:47
OK. All right.
1:02:48
I understand what you're trying to say.
1:02:49
Understand that I'm trying to explain.
1:02:50
Thank you so much. You're welcome.
1:02:52
Now, you see, in Islam, there are what we call minor signs and
1:02:55
major signs of the day of judgment.
1:02:57
You see, by the time the major demand we are we are currently
1:03:02
witnessing some of the minor signs of the day of judgment and
1:03:05
Jesus Christ. The coming back of Jesus Christ
1:03:07
is be upon him is one of the major sensory of judgment
1:03:10
because we actually believe that he is coming back to kill the
1:03:13
Dejal. The Dejal is also known as the
1:03:16
Antichrist. I may not be able to give you
1:03:19
correct Hadith references for this, but I know that this is
1:03:22
valid information that you can check up.
1:03:24
I know you are a stickler for references and I and I quite
1:03:27
like that, but I, I am, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm short of
1:03:31
that. But what I'm trying to say is
1:03:32
that the coming back of Jesus Christ is one thing for one
1:03:36
major purpose, to kill the Antichrist, which is quite
1:03:38
referenced both in the Bible and in the Quran.
1:03:41
And now the the jail is a major sign of video of judgment.
1:03:44
The coming back of Jesus Christ after the generation states that
1:03:49
after Jesus Christ has killed the jail, the entities called
1:03:54
Gorga Magog, you know got Gog and Magog is these other
1:03:58
entities that have visited in the Bible, in the Book of
1:04:00
Revelation and also it has also visited in the Quran.
1:04:02
They are known as Yeah Judge and Maj.
1:04:04
Judge. Now these two entities, we
1:04:06
believe they are tribes. They are going to break free
1:04:09
from their. OK, OK, Scorpion, hold on, hold
1:04:12
on. I'm going to stop you because
1:04:13
you're, you're going, you are way, way off topic and, and you
1:04:18
didn't even begin to answer Brett's question.
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So I'm going to go, we're going to backtrack real quick because
1:04:24
I haven't even rebuttaled what you said the first times.
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Because what you did was you fired off a bunch of verses from
1:04:29
the Bible. And you were trying to argue
1:04:31
that because like, for example, you were trying to argue that
1:04:33
because Jesus prays that he has limited knowledge in certain
1:04:36
texts, or he refers to the Father as my God, meaning that
1:04:40
he can't be God, and and so on and so forth.
1:04:42
Right now, categorically, there's a lot of confusion there
1:04:46
because you're assuming that if Jesus is God, that he must
1:04:50
function only in his divine nature.
1:04:52
And you're ignoring the fact that the New Testament teaches
1:04:55
the hippostatic union, right, which I know is not something
1:04:58
that Muslims like to talk about, but it the hippostatic union is
1:05:02
that Christ is fully God and fully man.
1:05:04
And you can actually reference the book of Philippians chapter
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2 verses 6, 7:00 and 8:00. So for example, when Jesus says
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the Father alone knows the hour in Mark 1332, he's actually
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speaking from his human nature, which voluntarily accepted
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limitation. And you can actually reference
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Hebrews chapter 2, verse 9 for that.
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He doesn't refute divinity, and it confirms the incarnation.
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That's all it did. And when he prays, he's not
1:05:28
praying as a man to a different being.
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He's showing his submission as the Son.
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And he's not denying equality because in John 518, the Jewish
1:05:36
community understood that he was calling God his own Father,
1:05:41
making himself equal with God. And that's the same chapter, by
1:05:44
the way, where he says that the Father has given all judgement
1:05:47
to the Son, so that all may honor the Son, just as they
1:05:50
honor the Father in the book of John chapter 5 verses 22 and 23.
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Now if he wasn't God, then that is blasphemy.
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And we already know that several Jews tried to stone him and take
1:06:01
his life many times for saying that the same way that he said
1:06:04
it in John chapter 8 verse 58, right?
1:06:06
Also, As for I go to my Father and your Father, my God and your
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God from John 2017, you again have to look at the context of
1:06:14
that because He's distinguishing His relationship to the Father
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by nature from ours, which is by adoption where we are now.
1:06:22
He adopted into the presence of the Father because of the
1:06:24
sacrifice of the Son. That's why he says my Father and
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your Father, not just our Father, which is a big
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difference. He didn't make himself coequal
1:06:32
with us, He made himself coequal with the Father.
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OK, now you quoted also not the the one that the one that hold
1:06:41
on stop because I'm not done, because you quoted a lot of
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things out of context and you and you did so I'm not going to
1:06:46
say purposely Scorpion, because I do believe that your your
1:06:49
heart is in the right place. But at the end of the day, you
1:06:52
are doing you're you're using the typical Muslim playbook
1:06:54
where you're quoting a lot of scripture, but you're doing it
1:06:56
out of context and you're ignoring everything else in the
1:06:59
scripture. You're not, you're not, you're
1:07:01
not being, you're not being honest.
1:07:05
And I, again, I don't think that you are being a liar on purpose,
1:07:09
right? There is a saying out there that
1:07:12
truth and, and honesty are not always synonymous, right?
1:07:15
You can be telling in your mind what you think is the truth, but
1:07:18
it doesn't mean that you're being honest because you're
1:07:20
saying something that's a lie, even if you don't intend it to
1:07:22
be that way. So, and I honestly want to
1:07:24
believe in my heart that that's what you're doing.
1:07:27
But you talked about Job, right? You, you tried to quote Job 2545
1:07:32
and six and you did it completely out of context
1:07:34
because in the book of Job, that was Bildad speaking, that wasn't
1:07:38
God. That was not God speaking.
1:07:40
And his statement, the statement of Bildad actually gets
1:07:43
corrected by God himself, which was later in Job 42, seven,
1:07:47
which is again common for Muslims to sit there and pretend
1:07:50
like that was God's statement and then later on realize that
1:07:53
it wasn't God's statement. But you guys are saying that
1:07:55
hoping that people aren't going to look for themselves.
1:07:57
So it says you have not spoken the truth about me.
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So using that as a yardstick for, for theology is like
1:08:03
quoting Judas for financial advice, right?
1:08:05
It, it doesn't, it doesn't, it didn't make any sense that
1:08:08
quoting Job especially, I thought was the funniest part
1:08:10
because you did that not realizing or either not
1:08:14
realizing that that wasn't actually God speaking or
1:08:17
thinking that I wasn't going to catch that right.
1:08:18
So the bottom line about that entire thing, Scorpion, was that
1:08:21
you were cherry picking verses that describe Christ's humanity
1:08:24
while completely ignoring the dozens of other verses that
1:08:27
affirm his divinity such as John 11, Colossians 29, Hebrews 1/3.
1:08:31
So again, and this is exactly why and and I know that you
1:08:35
continue to to refer to the Quran, but again, you're, you're
1:08:40
referring to the Quran and you still have till this day, not
1:08:44
even remotely approached the, the, the, the Quranic and the
1:08:47
Islamic dilemma where the Quran is a self refuting book.
1:08:50
OK, now we can get into that if you want to.
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But at the end of the day, you, you, you had, you referenced a
1:08:56
self refuting book a lot, which does, it does point to the
1:09:00
Bible, but I think it's, I think it's hilarious that you did
1:09:02
that. So go ahead.
1:09:03
If you want to make a statement, you, you can make another.
1:09:05
You can make it. Yeah.
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Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you.
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Actually, I prepared for the Islamic dilemma.
1:09:13
Good. But when you and I got onto the
1:09:16
show, yes, you now change the topic to the divinity of Jesus
1:09:20
Christ. So that was what I actually
1:09:22
prepared. For no, we could talk about the
1:09:23
Islamic dilemma and the reason, the reason I'll allow it is
1:09:26
because number one, you were kind last time and we talked
1:09:29
about it and you admitted you were you were intellectually
1:09:31
honest and you admitted that you did not refute it.
1:09:34
So I'm going to allow it. I will allow it just because I
1:09:37
like you and, and it really does kind of go to it because you did
1:09:41
use my my thing is I kind of treat this like a courtroom.
1:09:44
If you're going to use the Quran as evidence to back up your
1:09:48
claims, then you should be prepared to defend the to try at
1:09:51
least to defend which no one has successfully done, the fact that
1:09:54
it is a self refuting book. So if you want to bring that up,
1:09:57
go ahead. Yeah, you, you said you did
1:09:59
research. Go ahead and bring it up.
1:10:00
Got it. You say whatever you want.
1:10:01
You got 2 full minutes. As a matter of fact, I'll give
1:10:03
you 3 minutes. Go ahead, get it.
1:10:07
It's all right, All right. Thank you.
1:10:12
There's not enough what I want to say, but all right.
1:10:14
I actually, after the discussion we had on Tuesday, I had to go
1:10:19
back and start researching. Now I, I wanted to present this
1:10:23
in two folds what the Christian scholarship actually says about
1:10:27
the authenticity of the Bible and also what the Quran has said
1:10:30
about the authenticity of the Bible.
1:10:32
So I will start with the first one Christian scholarship.
1:10:35
And it asked it why I was so astonished to see that not one
1:10:41
among all of present day Christian scholarship have they
1:10:45
have they have all admitted to the fact that there is no
1:10:49
original manuscript of the Bible left around.
1:10:53
Now the reason was the reasons that they give was because
1:10:57
during the 4th century, the the 4th century Christians actually
1:11:00
suffered a lot of persecutions and many of the manuscripts they
1:11:03
had written on leaves on on skins and things like that were
1:11:07
all destroyed and were lost. Now the earliest carbon dated
1:11:12
manuscript was actually the papyrus 55 which was dated to
1:11:16
around 100 to 125, but this was a parchment of the book of John.
1:11:20
Now, you see, I actually went for the NSA, reading about some
1:11:23
of some of the Christian scholars, people like Catherine
1:11:28
Hazard, people like Brett Herman, and this particular
1:11:31
guide I wrote First Apology. Keep talking, keep talking.
1:11:37
I'm listening. Yep, keep talking.
1:11:38
If you hear something in the background, don't stop talking.
1:11:40
I'm listening. Okay, I'm sorry for that.
1:11:44
Right so now I so I actually went ahead and asked everything
1:11:48
what they said about the photoship of the Bible now is a
1:11:51
Katherine has made a statement she wrote I think a book or an
1:11:55
article about Jewish literacy, literacy in ancient Palestine
1:11:59
and she made the assertion that there was a high variety of
1:12:03
literacy among the people of among the Jews in Palestine in
1:12:07
that era. Also, this was also corroborated
1:12:10
by Bert Herman who also think that it is highly unlikely that
1:12:14
disciple that the disciples of Jesus Christ had such high
1:12:17
linguistic techniques or skills in writing this book in the
1:12:23
Greek language. Now what I'm bringing this up is
1:12:27
because even the guy that wrote the first apology, I think
1:12:32
Justin something. I've forgotten his name.
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You have Scorpion, you have 30. You have 30 seconds left.
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You have 30 seconds left. OK.
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It's not really enough. That's OK, We'll go back then
1:12:43
what I'll do is I will address this and then go back because
1:12:45
I'm not gonna. I don't want this to turn into a
1:12:47
monologue for like 10 straight minutes.
1:12:50
So go ahead, finish for 30 more seconds, and then we'll address
1:12:52
that and then you can finish. You can finish your.
1:12:54
Straight to the point. Yeah.
1:12:57
All right, all right. He also states using the book of
1:13:00
Acceptor for Western. These are Christian scholars are
1:13:02
forwarding his name Justin something in the book First
1:13:05
Apology that the disciples were actually illiterates.
1:13:08
Now you see what I found interesting was that the NIV
1:13:12
actually corrects a lot of mistakes that were found in the
1:13:14
KGV because the NIV assets that they use the codes analyticals
1:13:19
and the codes Vaticanos while the KGV use the Textus
1:13:23
receptors. Now there there are so many
1:13:25
verses OK, I will wait for your rebut to be far going to some of
1:13:29
those verses that. Are excellent.
1:13:31
OK, thank you so much. Thank you brother.
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I I, I appreciate you abiding by the time constraints.
1:13:35
So I'm going to walk you through this step by step, Scorpion,
1:13:38
because what you said was a complete mess of revisionist
1:13:40
history. And you just so here you pull
1:13:43
together Bart Ehrman, you use Catherine Hesner, which was
1:13:46
extremely funny to me, and use Justin Martyr, like there's some
1:13:49
Avengers team to take down scripture when in reality, they
1:13:52
don't even agree with each other.
1:13:53
And none of them gives Islam a leg to stand on either.
1:13:57
And, and I don't know that you knew that.
1:13:58
So let's address your first claim that I wrote here.
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There are no original manuscripts.
1:14:03
Absolutely correct. No Christian scholar denies
1:14:05
that. And we do not need them.
1:14:07
The field of textual criticism, My brother Scorpion, is π I'm
1:14:11
sorry, what was that? Is it?
1:14:15
Thank you so much. Yeah.
1:14:16
Thank you. Yeah, so.
1:14:18
Thank you for that. Thank you for.
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That yeah, that's that's there's no there we don't unlike in the
1:14:22
Muslim world that that tries to claim divine preservation and
1:14:25
things like that. Christianity has no need to lie
1:14:28
about what is verified in history, right.
1:14:31
The field of textual criticism, which is pioneered by Christian
1:14:34
scholars like Bruce Metzger, who is ironically Bart Ehrman's
1:14:37
mentor, proves that the New Testament is the most attested
1:14:41
to ancient document in human history.
1:14:43
With over 5800 Greek manuscripts and some as early as AP 52 from
1:14:47
around 125 AD, that is actually within a generation of the
1:14:51
original. Now you can compare that to the
1:14:54
Quran where not a single uthmanic codec survives and the
1:14:57
earliest copies like the Sunna ah contain corrections.
1:15:00
It contains erase lines and even missing verses.
1:15:03
And Muslims call that perfect preservation.
1:15:05
Which none of which can be said about any any early biblical
1:15:09
manuscript. Now to literacy, because I found
1:15:12
that one extremely funny. Catherine Hesner wrote that
1:15:15
Jewish literacy in the Roman Palestine, that was the
1:15:19
illustration that she put out and she discussed his general
1:15:22
literacy rates, right? And not specific training for
1:15:25
the disciples. But here's a trap in that right?
1:15:28
The her illustration doesn't mean a damn thing about the
1:15:30
original disciples because literacy rates in that in that
1:15:35
era, in that time in that region doesn't mean that what she said
1:15:38
was necessarily true subjectively of the disciples.
1:15:41
Right. She discussed in that book, and
1:15:44
I don't know if you knew that I read this, but she discussed
1:15:47
general literacy, illiteracy rates and not specific training.
1:15:50
OK, and here, but but here's the bigger problem for you.
1:15:53
Even if Peter was illiterate, that doesn't prove that the
1:15:56
gospels are false. It just means that someone else
1:15:58
wrote down the testimony. It's called dictation, and
1:16:00
people have been doing that since the beginning of time,
1:16:02
which is exactly what early church father said Mark did for
1:16:05
Peter. So again, let's just say that he
1:16:08
was illiterate. Dictation still existed, and
1:16:11
that was how many things got written down.
1:16:12
Because back then writing was extremely expensive.
1:16:16
People didn't write things down and take pen and paper out the
1:16:18
way that you can now. You can just walk in your house
1:16:19
and write stuff down. Back then, getting paper and ink
1:16:22
to write things down was a very costly, very costly venture,
1:16:26
right? So again, that doesn't prove
1:16:28
that the Gospels are false. It just means that someone else
1:16:31
wrote down his testimony. OK, now literacy wasn't the
1:16:34
issue anyway. Eyewitness testimony is.
1:16:36
And Luke 1 one through 4 literally says that he
1:16:39
investigated from eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
1:16:42
And that's actually 1st century journalism much as journalism is
1:16:46
today. Now you also mentioned Justin
1:16:48
Martyr. And This is why, Scorpion, if
1:16:49
you're noticing, This is why I'm trying to put time constraints
1:16:52
because I'm, I'm kind of, I'm, I'm kind of tearing down
1:16:55
everything that you said and explaining it in context for
1:16:58
people. And you see how it gets very
1:16:59
verbose and why now I don't want people talking on and on because
1:17:03
it just kind of sounds like we're just talking at each other
1:17:05
instead of just kind of rebuttal points, right?
1:17:07
But I digress. So you also talked about Justin
1:17:10
Martyr and he wrote the 1st, It's called the First Apology
1:17:14
and he wrote it in 150 AD around, right?
1:17:16
Yes. And it refers to the memoirs of
1:17:19
the apostles being read in church.
1:17:21
So in other words, the gospels were already circulating and
1:17:25
authoritative just decades after the apostles died.
1:17:28
So instead of disproving the Bible, Justin actually confirms
1:17:31
its early use and credibility because those manuscripts were
1:17:34
already being used in churches all throughout the region for
1:17:36
several hundreds square miles, probably even thousands right
1:17:39
now. As for the NIV, which I I found
1:17:42
that in the most hilarious. I don't know where the hell you
1:17:44
got that from, but you talked about the NIV correcting the
1:17:47
KJV. That's just basic scholarship.
1:17:49
The KJV, the King James Version, relied on late Byzantine
1:17:54
manuscripts. The NIV uses the earlier, more
1:17:57
reliable Alexandrian text which supports transparency, not
1:18:02
corruption. So that it has nothing to do
1:18:04
with correction. It has to do with which
1:18:06
manuscripts they used when they translated.
1:18:09
Muslims don't offer this luxury, right?
1:18:11
You've got a Quran compiled by one man, Uthman, who burned the
1:18:14
rest, and you can reference that and hold on, hold on.
1:18:17
In Sahi al Bukhari 4987. That's not preservation, that's
1:18:20
censorship. So for the next 20 seconds, I'm
1:18:22
going to show you how everything that you said still left you
1:18:26
deeper in the Islamic dilemma, right?
1:18:28
It's where your whole argument collapses.
1:18:30
Thank you, my love. We're not able to prove what was
1:18:33
that scorpion. I was not able to finish Oh.
1:18:38
No, no, no. Yeah, I'm going to let you.
1:18:39
I'm going to let you finish. I'm going to, I'm Scorpion.
1:18:41
I'm going to let you finish. I'm only showing.
1:18:43
I'm only showing my audience where your argument left you
1:18:47
deeper at this point, where it left you deeper in the Islamic
1:18:50
dilemma. And then when you, when you
1:18:51
finish your rebuttal, I'm going to do the same thing.
1:18:54
Because here's the thing. The Islamic dilemma is a
1:18:56
paradox. It has no way out of it.
1:18:58
I don't know if you've noticed that or not by now.
1:18:59
Why do you think I continue to allow you to bring it up?
1:19:01
Because all you're doing is digging A deeper hole, right?
1:19:04
It's a the Islamic dilemma is going to continue you to be a
1:19:07
festering wound in your side. The Quran says in Surah 547 let
1:19:12
the people of the gospel judge by what Allah has revealed
1:19:15
therein. Yet you just tried to argue that
1:19:17
the gospel is corrupt. Again that means either one
1:19:20
Allah is commanding people to judge by a corrupted book which
1:19:23
is foolish. 2. The gospel wasn't corrupted at
1:19:26
the time, but then you've got no explanation as to how or when
1:19:30
they got corrupted without Allah noticing, which again just as
1:19:34
foolish. Or three, the Quran is just
1:19:36
wrong and Muhammad misunderstood what the gospel was.
1:19:39
Either way you're trapped because if the gospel was gone
1:19:42
by the 7th century then Surah 7157 makes absolutely no sense.
1:19:47
It says the unlettered prophet was foretold in the Torah and
1:19:50
gospel, meaning that they were still present and trustworthy.
1:19:54
So we have to be clear, we have earlier, more abundant and
1:19:57
better preserved manuscripts than the Quran does.
1:19:59
Your own Quran affirms our books existence and authority, and
1:20:02
every attempt to discredit the Bible ends up undermining the
1:20:04
Quran either way. You're still stuck.
1:20:07
I'm going to go ahead and give you another few minutes.
1:20:09
I will let you. I will let you try to rebuttal
1:20:12
Scorpion, but I have to be honest with you, brother, you're
1:20:14
not doing well. You're not doing well.
1:20:15
Go ahead. You did not give me credit for
1:20:20
what you thought I've researched.
1:20:22
Oh, no, no. No, no, no, scorpion, I'm giving
1:20:24
you, I'm giving you tons. Hold on here.
1:20:26
Let me, let me. I'm sorry.
1:20:27
And I don't mean to cut you off. I am 100% very appreciative to
1:20:31
you and I love you, my brother. I do I because I feel like
1:20:33
you're trying. I feel like your search for
1:20:35
truth is legit and I 100% give you credit.
1:20:38
I, I and I thank you for it because you're actually making
1:20:41
an effort, which shows that you have not only respect for me and
1:20:44
the audience, but you have respect for yourself. 100%.
1:20:46
I will give credit where credit is due, but at the end of the
1:20:49
day, Scorpion, I have to make sure that my audience is not
1:20:51
bombarded with information that is not true.
1:20:54
Because historically you have to understand that the more you're
1:20:58
on this journey, you're going to see that you as, as far as a
1:21:01
Quran loving Muslim, have a lot more to atone for than
1:21:05
Christians do. And even the things that you
1:21:07
guys do point at us and say, Hey, those are contradictions or
1:21:10
that's corruption is not corruption because we never
1:21:12
tried to hide it, unlike what a a lot of Muslims don't know
1:21:15
about the way that Khalif Utman standardized the Quran and
1:21:17
things like that. So 100% I completely here you
1:21:25
get the, you get the class from me for the research, because at
1:21:27
least you're trying, right? You're trying, you're trying.
1:21:30
And I, I, I'm 100% giving you credit.
1:21:32
I don't ever want you to think I'm trying to be unkind.
1:21:34
But at the end of the day, if I do know, if I know that it's
1:21:37
fallacious, I have to expose that I and I and I pray that you
1:21:40
understand that. So go ahead, make it, make it
1:21:42
make your point, brother. You can say what you got to say.
1:21:45
You could you can you can do the rest of your butt of.
1:21:47
Course. All right, thank you so much.
1:21:51
Now the reason why I brought up the comparison between the NIV
1:21:56
and the KJV was that whenever we Muslims talk about textual
1:22:00
distortions of the previous scripture, we are talking about
1:22:03
things being added and been removed.
1:22:06
Now you see, like you said, like I said, I actually researched
1:22:10
and I realized that the KJV used later manuscripts and actually
1:22:15
included, for example, things like the story of the adulterous
1:22:19
woman. That's in the book of John
1:22:20
Chapter 7 verse 51 to chapter 8 verse 13.
1:22:24
It was actually quote, UN quote removed by the NIV.
1:22:28
That is 1/2 the last verse of the Lord's Prayer.
1:22:32
That's the book of the book of Matthew chapter 6 verse 13 has
1:22:35
actually been expunged from the NIV and they all they all write
1:22:40
a footlook that this was not found in the earlier manuscripts
1:22:43
and they're actually referring to this manuscript.
1:22:45
They have been carbon dictated to about 300.
1:22:47
I mean full existing copies of the Greek Bible that is between
1:22:52
300 to 350. Eighty and other I kept on
1:22:54
mentioning codecs and articles and codecs Vaticanos.
1:22:58
This is was their source. Now the issue that is there is
1:23:01
that a book that claims to be from God Almighty should not
1:23:05
have the ability of should not be so exposed to the point that
1:23:10
somebody can add and somebody can feel Dick.
1:23:22
Did we lose Scorpion? Scorpion.
1:23:29
Come back in if you want, man. He got disconnected.
1:23:32
He was in the middle of his point.
1:23:34
Med the Muslim. Can you hear us?
1:23:37
Yes, can. You hear me?
1:23:38
I can hear you. Yeah, so you, you are a Muslim
1:23:45
man obviously, as it says in your name guys, I will save the
1:23:50
rebuttal for for Scorpion until when he comes back.
1:23:55
I don't want to have to go through it and then go through
1:23:58
it again if and when he joins and met the Muslim has been
1:24:00
very, very patient and the battery on his phone is going
1:24:03
down. Don't ask how I know that.
1:24:04
I can see it here on video ninja.
1:24:06
I don't know why they tell me, but I can see it and it is what
1:24:08
it is. So met the Muslim.
1:24:10
Welcome back to the show my brother.
1:24:12
Do you feel that you can prove that Jesus is not God?
1:24:19
Sure. Excellent.
1:24:20
Go ahead and start with your statement.
1:24:22
I will give you 2 minutes and you know, just monitor the time.
1:24:25
If not, if you pass 2 minutes, I will let you know that the time
1:24:28
is up. You ready?
1:24:31
Go ahead. Jesus Christ was a human being.
1:24:37
A human being, by definition, is someone who is.
1:24:39
Independent turn up. Your microphone can barely hear
1:24:42
you OK. So can you hear me now?
1:24:44
Yeah, yeah, much better. Thank you.
1:24:47
OK, I said Jesus Christ was a human being.
1:24:49
OK, human being by definition. By definition is is someone who
1:24:52
is born, who is in dependent, lacks for knowledge.
1:24:59
Therefore God does not have the attributes of God and therefore
1:25:04
he cannot be God. Also there is the Father.
1:25:07
So if you want to say that Jesus is God and the Father is God,
1:25:11
then you have two gods which predicts your Bible.
1:25:15
Is that it? Yeah, that's.
1:25:17
It OK, very nice. Do you have any?
1:25:19
Yes, please. Please go.
1:25:20
Please go. Go ahead.
1:25:21
All right Muslim, can you explain why the extraordinary
1:25:25
event in the Quran happened where Jesus was born of a
1:25:28
virgin? And also, why is it like I asked
1:25:31
Scorpion earlier, why does why is it Christ that returns with
1:25:34
judgment day? Yeah, also God says that Jesus.
1:25:43
Jesus is not God, and if God wants to destroy him, he will
1:25:46
destroy him. Well, if he's not God, why is he
1:25:48
the one coming back to reap the souls?
1:25:51
Yeah, God cannot can bring whoever he wants before the
1:25:55
judgement. So that doesn't, that doesn't.
1:25:57
I guess he forgot about Prophet Muhammad, huh?
1:26:00
Go ahead, Darren. Nope.
1:26:01
Nope. According to Islam, when Jesus
1:26:04
Christ comes down to to defeat the Antichrist, he will live
1:26:08
among the humans. He will be a Muslim by the way,
1:26:12
not a Christian, and he will die after some years.
1:26:15
He will die just like how the prophets died, so that does not
1:26:18
make him divine. I see well here here's the thing
1:26:21
meant. I thank you for your opening
1:26:23
statement. So the thing about it was you
1:26:26
made the rookie mistake of thinking that God cannot take on
1:26:29
human nature without ceasing to be God.
1:26:31
Now that's not logical. Again, just like so many other
1:26:34
Muslim arguments, that is a category error, right?
1:26:37
When Christians say, my brother, that Jesus is God, we're not
1:26:40
saying that he's only divine or only human.
1:26:43
We're saying that he's both because he has that ability to
1:26:47
be that. It is actually called a
1:26:48
hippostatic union. And you can reference John
1:26:51
chapter one, verse 14 and Philippians chapter 2, verses
1:26:54
6-7 and eight, right? What it means essentially and
1:26:58
simply is that he voluntarily took on the flesh, including the
1:27:02
limitations of humanity, while remaining fully divine, Right?
1:27:05
So when Jesus is born, or when he eats, or when he sleeps or
1:27:09
doesn't know the hour in Mark 1332, that's his human nature on
1:27:12
display. But when you get verses like
1:27:15
John 11, the word was God or Colossians 29, in him the
1:27:19
fullness of deity dwells bodily. And John 2028 where Thomas calls
1:27:23
him my Lord and my God and Jesus does not correct him.
1:27:26
Then there's no way for you to explain that.
1:27:28
Now about the two gods thing is a complete straw man because
1:27:31
foundationally it is false. The Trinity is 1 God in three
1:27:35
persons. It is not three gods.
1:27:37
The Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God, but it's
1:27:40
not 3 gods. It is one essence and it is not
1:27:43
a contradiction, it is a distinction.
1:27:45
OK. And even your Quran admits God's
1:27:48
attributes can be shared across names, right?
1:27:51
Al Rahman, Al Rahim, Al Malik. Yet you don't accuse that of
1:27:55
being polytheism. You just say, oh, well, those
1:27:57
are all different God names for God, right?
1:27:59
Which I think is hilarious. So no, Jesus isn't a second God.
1:28:02
He is the visible image of the invisible God.
1:28:05
And that's referenced in Colossians chapter one, verse
1:28:07
15. And if you've seen him, you've
1:28:09
seen the father. Again, John 14, nine.
1:28:11
So you're not refuting Christianity, you're
1:28:13
misrepresenting it by the things that you say.
1:28:16
So yeah, please. If Jesus in the Quran is born of
1:28:22
a virgin just like it says in the Bible, why would a God do
1:28:26
that if there wasn't divinity included?
1:28:28
That's what I'm trying to get these Muslims to understand and
1:28:31
elaborate on. If it's just a normal average
1:28:34
Joe walking around just talking and giving out messages then why
1:28:39
did he need to be born of a virgin?
1:28:42
OK and Adam was born without a mother and without a father.
1:28:45
Does that make him our God? No he doesn't.
1:28:48
God, Allah can just say be it is if he wants to.
1:28:52
If he wants to create a prophet from a Virgin Mary, he can do
1:28:56
that. That does not make Jesus God.
1:28:59
Did I answer the question? Who did he say was born out of
1:29:02
nothing? Adam.
1:29:07
Adam required God in order to bring him into existence.
1:29:11
Exactly same thing which is. Right, but Adam.
1:29:14
Adam was not a prophet, nor was he the Messiah, nor did anyone
1:29:17
ever insinuate that he was. What you are doing on Maverick
1:29:21
I'm. Sorry, go ahead.
1:29:22
You are doing you are doing internal critique, meaning you
1:29:27
are quoting the Quran. And according to the Quran, Adam
1:29:30
is a prophet and he he was not born from a man nor from a
1:29:33
woman. He was created by God, so.
1:29:36
I'm sorry, Brett, go ahead and answer the question because Med,
1:29:40
we can get into the Quran if you want, but again, you already
1:29:42
know the Quran is a self refuting text.
1:29:45
So I'm going to let Brett answer and then I'm going to address
1:29:48
what you said and then we can move on to that.
1:29:49
So, Brett, go ahead and say what you're going to.
1:29:51
Say. All the creation of Adam, the
1:29:55
creation of Adam and Eve is an extraordinary event that
1:30:00
obviously God put it forth into the creation and design.
1:30:03
But if Jesus was nothing more than just a man and a prophet
1:30:07
and a teacher, then why did he require the virgin birth?
1:30:12
There's obviously divinity there.
1:30:15
And no, it's not divinity because God can create a human
1:30:18
being from a from a Virgin Mary, just like you can create Adam
1:30:22
from none, from no parents. That is not making God.
1:30:26
He was literally created so that by definition, is not God.
1:30:29
OK, man, but here here's Yeah, give me.
1:30:31
But give me a second because I don't, I don't want to get off
1:30:34
too much of the topic of what you answered because I want to
1:30:36
stay on the Adam thing for now. Give me a second.
1:30:38
OK, Because what? Go ahead.
1:30:40
Go ahead, Go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
1:30:42
I. Didn't respond to your point.
1:30:44
All right, go ahead. OK, so you say that God can
1:30:48
limit himself. We disagree with that.
1:30:50
That contradicts the law of non contradiction.
1:30:53
If God can limit himself, then he's not God anymore.
1:30:55
So that's a contradiction. OK, Stop, stop, stop, stop,
1:30:58
stop, stop. Stop right there.
1:30:59
Stop right there. Stop right there.
1:31:01
You just violated one of my cardinal rules where, first of
1:31:04
all, you said it's a contradiction.
1:31:06
I cannot stand when people use that word and have no way to
1:31:09
prove that. I want you to prove to anyone in
1:31:13
the world right now that God cannot exist in a physical form
1:31:17
and cannot limit himself. And I want you to prove that
1:31:20
because what you're saying right now is, well, he can't do it.
1:31:22
It's a contradiction. But I want you to to
1:31:25
ontologically prove that it's a contradiction.
1:31:28
I want you to prove that. OK, it's like the equivalent of
1:31:33
sin. Can God cease to exist?
1:31:35
Can God be a cockroach? No, that's not befitting to God.
1:31:39
That's a contradiction. If you say that God can be a
1:31:42
human being, then you are saying he is God and not God at the
1:31:45
same time. Because God by definition he is
1:31:47
independent, he is uncreated, He has foreknowledge.
1:31:50
So when you when you are saying there is a person who has
1:31:53
foreknowledge and not foreknowledge in the same.
1:31:55
Right, right, right. So what you're saying that?
1:31:58
In time then you are saying, I'm sorry, just 30 seconds.
1:32:01
You are saying he is God, not God at the same time.
1:32:04
So that's a contradiction, obviously.
1:32:06
OK, but again, So what you did was you did you did a huge
1:32:08
circle and you didn't answer the question because what you're
1:32:11
what you're essentially saying Med, is that you believe in a
1:32:15
limited God, right? You believe that because Med,
1:32:19
the Muslim cannot comprehend something, therefore it must be
1:32:22
a contradiction, to say nothing of the fact that you didn't even
1:32:25
remotely prove a damn thing that I asked you to prove.
1:32:28
You just said, can he be this? Can he be that?
1:32:29
No, because it's beneath him. How the hell do you you know
1:32:31
what is beneath him. This is his creation.
1:32:34
He can exist in it. He can exist around it.
1:32:36
He can exist as a person. God is not limited to by what
1:32:40
you are taught because you simply don't like the idea of
1:32:43
him taking human form. And you didn't even answer
1:32:46
Brett's question about Adam and Eve.
1:32:48
You didn't answer the question. You dodged it.
1:32:49
You said that Adam. You said that Adam.
1:32:51
I'm going to show you how because unlike again, the Muslim
1:32:54
arguments, I'm going to show you how.
1:32:55
You did not answer it right. You said that Adam was made
1:32:58
without parents and Jesus being born of a virgin doesn't make
1:33:01
divine. Sure.
1:33:02
OK, I will grant you the let's, let's grant that for a second.
1:33:05
But here's a big difference. Adam was created from dust.
1:33:07
He was not born. Jesus was born of a woman
1:33:11
through a natural human process, except without a father.
1:33:14
Why? Because he wasn't just a
1:33:17
prophet. According to Luke 135, the Angel
1:33:20
said the Holy Spirit will come upon you.
1:33:23
The child will be called the Son of God.
1:33:25
That's not just some miracle birth.
1:33:27
It is a theological declaration and nowhere does it say Adam was
1:33:32
the word made flesh. John 114 is what that's what it
1:33:36
says about Jesus Christ. Nowhere is Adam called God with
1:33:39
us as they said in Matthew 123. Jesus wasn't just born
1:33:43
miraculously. He claimed divine authority and
1:33:46
he forgave sins in Mark 256789 and 10 right.
1:33:52
He accepted worship and Matthews 1433 and said before Abraham was
1:33:57
I am in John 858 the same name God gave Moses in Exodus chapter
1:34:02
3 verse 14. So the virgin birth isn't just
1:34:06
about the how, it's about The Who.
1:34:08
Isaiah 71714 prophesized that a virgin would give birth to a
1:34:13
manual, which means God with us. That doesn't apply to Adam.
1:34:17
That doesn't apply to Muhammad. That applies to Jesus Christ
1:34:20
alone. So no, Jesus wasn't just another
1:34:22
prophet. If he were, he'd be guilty of
1:34:24
blasphemy for claiming to be God.
1:34:26
And Islam can't solve that without gutting its own respect
1:34:29
for Jesus. That is your real dilemma.
1:34:31
So now we're going to shift, OK? Because you continue to you, you
1:34:35
continue to try to apply Quranic belief of Jesus Christ on to the
1:34:41
fact that you have not even remotely addressed how Jesus is
1:34:45
not God. You just continue to make these
1:34:47
baseless assertions without any proof whatsoever.
1:34:49
I asked you to prove how it was a contradiction that God cannot
1:34:52
exist as a human being and you just compared it to a cockroach
1:34:55
or anything else and said it's beneath him.
1:34:57
You didn't use any. You didn't even try to use the
1:34:59
Quran to justify that. You just said that it's a
1:35:01
contradiction. I don't care what you think is a
1:35:03
damn contradiction, I asked you to prove it.
1:35:06
Now mind you to say nothing of the fact that you are a Muslim
1:35:09
and believes in a book that is not perfectly preserved even
1:35:12
though you claim so, that was mangled and mutilated by a man
1:35:15
by the name of Khalif Utman who destroyed countless original
1:35:19
Quranic manuscripts, the sum of which which survived and exist
1:35:22
until today. And to say nothing of the fact
1:35:25
that the Quran is a self refuting text that knows that
1:35:29
knew nothing about Jesus Christ, knew nothing about the people
1:35:31
that surrounded him, but makes claims about Christ, makes
1:35:34
claims about God. To say nothing of the fact that
1:35:36
Muhammad was a caravan Raider who did things with little girls
1:35:40
that are unspeakable. And you sit there and tell us
1:35:43
that Jesus wasn't God because it's a contradiction.
1:35:46
When asked to prove how it was a contradiction, you didn't do
1:35:49
that. You just you took your answer
1:35:51
and you stretched it out. You put you and you pasted a
1:35:53
couple other words in there and then went in a whole big circle
1:35:55
and said therefore still a contradiction.
1:35:57
What? No, that's not what I asked you.
1:35:59
So let me ask you a question. Why should we believe anything
1:36:02
that a Muslim says about Jesus Christ when the Quran in and of
1:36:05
itself is it has been proven to be a self refuting book?
1:36:10
Why? Why shouldn't we listen to
1:36:11
anything you have to say about it?
1:36:12
So when I when I responded one argument, you caught me and then
1:36:17
you went ahead and throw everything in the kitchen sink.
1:36:20
You talked about the preservation, you talked about
1:36:23
the Islamic dilemma, you talked about the marriage of the
1:36:26
Prophet, talked about Adam, talked about everything at once.
1:36:29
So to answer your question. So when you talk about the
1:36:33
Quran, you are the one internal critique and according to the
1:36:35
Quran, Jesus being born from a Virgin Mary does not make him
1:36:40
God. Being God means you are
1:36:42
internal. You are necessary existence, You
1:36:45
are independent. You are the one who created the
1:36:48
universe. Being born from a Virgin Mary
1:36:52
does not make you gut. I'm sorry it doesn't make you
1:36:54
guts. OK, you said that already
1:36:55
brother, I asked you about the Quran.
1:36:57
Stop. Stop repeating the stuff that I
1:36:58
already debunked. Well, let's talk about the Quran
1:37:00
and being the stuff for a few. Do something.
1:37:02
Out real quick. Yes, hang on, Med.
1:37:11
The reason? Hang on, hang on.
1:37:12
I already muted him, Med. I muted you because you're not
1:37:15
listening, brother. You took what you you took
1:37:18
everything that you said earlier, right?
1:37:20
And again, listen, the guys and this is how everybody in the
1:37:23
chat to anybody who's listening, do not come in here and make a
1:37:26
bunch of points. And then I'm listen, I'm writing
1:37:30
this, I'm writing this stuff down.
1:37:31
OK, here, look, I'm showing you guys.
1:37:33
I'm writing this crap down. So as you say these things, I'm
1:37:36
writing it down and I'm putting an asterisk nest to it, right?
1:37:39
And as I address those points, I'll take a few seconds, I'll
1:37:42
take 15 to 20 seconds to address each one, and then I'll put an
1:37:45
asterisk next to it. Do not make a point.
1:37:48
If you stop. Hold on, dude, stop.
1:37:50
Stop because you're doing exactly what every other Muslim
1:37:52
does. You will talk and you will go on
1:37:54
and I'll let you talk for several minutes.
1:37:56
And then when I address every single thing that you say, you
1:38:00
don't like it because you're saying that I'm throwing a
1:38:02
kitchen sink at you. It's amazing to me that it's not
1:38:04
the kitchen sink when you guys are rambling on forever and,
1:38:07
and, and being verbose as hell and everybody's letting you say
1:38:11
what you got to say. And I'm being a kind host.
1:38:13
And Brett, you're here that I, I've not cut them off.
1:38:15
I let them say whatever they got to say.
1:38:16
Brett, have you heard me not address anything that they say
1:38:19
point by point? I brother, if you're making a
1:38:29
statement, you cannot come on to somebody's show and then get
1:38:33
upset when they address every single thing that you say,
1:38:36
especially when you're making baseless assertions without the
1:38:39
ability to prove it right. You can't say something's a
1:38:41
contradiction. You said something was a
1:38:43
contradiction. OK.
1:38:49
I've got a question for you as well as Scorpion and the
1:38:52
Morningstar is also Muslim. This is for you, and I'd also
1:38:56
like some of the Christians. Morningstar Morningstar is a
1:38:58
Christian. Is it true?
1:39:01
Is it true, ladies and gentlemen?
1:39:03
This is for Christians and Muslims.
1:39:05
But the only one that can create life in the universe is God,
1:39:10
correct? Do you agree with that Muslim
1:39:15
scorpion? Only God can create life, right?
1:39:18
You agree with that too? Fabric, right?
1:39:20
Yep. Yeah.
1:39:22
Are you going to? Okay so if we look in the Quran
1:39:26
chapter 3 verse 49 and five 110, Jesus creates a bird from clay
1:39:33
and then brings it to life. Continue the verse.
1:39:38
So you agree that God is only I gave you the verse He created a
1:39:46
bird out of place and then breathed life into it.
1:39:49
Isn't that what he did for Adam and Eve by the way?
1:39:51
Breathed life into. Them.
1:39:57
I gave you the verse. Matt, if you here, Matt, if you
1:40:00
feel like, if you feel, hold on, let me, I'm going to mute the
1:40:03
other people because there's a lot of background noise that's
1:40:04
getting on my nerves. Matt, if you feel like he is not
1:40:07
finishing the verse then then finish it for him and explain to
1:40:10
him why you think he's wrong. I, I, I this back and forth is
1:40:13
idiotic. Already make your point.
1:40:14
Already make your point. Go make your point.
1:40:20
Yeah, bring it up. Can you tell me the verse?
1:40:22
I don't I don't remember which verse it is the number.
1:40:27
Brett, what was the verse in the number?
1:40:28
Because he's telling you to finish it, but he doesn't even
1:40:30
know what damn verse it is Incredible.
1:40:32
I. Don't.
1:40:33
I don't. Remember, I'm going to give you
1:40:35
the nerve. Hello.
1:40:38
It's actually mentioned twice in the Quran, 349 and five 110.
1:40:44
Incredible. It's interesting, I don't think
1:40:49
I've met very many Muslims that don't keep the Quran near.
1:40:52
I don't know. I'm running into it more and
1:40:54
more on this show. I'm having some problems here.
1:41:01
Yeah, it's called. It's called Islam.
1:41:05
And it's not. You've been given the passage of
1:41:08
What's the deal? Come on.
1:41:10
I'm sorry, you said verse, verse something #3 correct?
1:41:14
Yes, I will. I'll speak a little bit slower
1:41:17
for you. Here we go.
1:41:19
Braun, 349-5110 No. After 49.
1:41:30
I can't wait. God breathes life into a clay
1:41:33
bird that he made, and it flies Jesus.
1:41:41
He's scrambling, He's scrambling.
1:41:43
Right. You agreed, mad.
1:41:46
You agreed that only God can create life in this universe?
1:41:50
Come on man, just be intellectually honest.
1:41:53
It's time to concede. Yes, just created Jesus forms
1:42:00
the the bird and blow into it and God gave it life.
1:42:13
Let me read the notes. Let me read the verse.
1:42:17
Oh. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
1:42:19
Go ahead, go ahead. I can't wait.
1:42:21
I cannot wait. Oh my God.
1:42:22
I'm going to bury you so hard. Go ahead.
1:42:23
Keep going. I'll create for you out of clay,
1:42:27
as it were, the figure of a bird.
1:42:30
Then I breathe into it and become a bird by Allah's
1:42:33
permission. So Jesus did not create the bird
1:42:37
by himself, it was by Allah's permission.
1:42:41
So here, Brett, please let me, because the slamming this guy is
1:42:45
going to be a special pleasure. You just walked right in to your
1:42:48
own idiotic theological trap. You're quoting Surat 349 and
1:42:53
Surat 5110, where Jesus forms a bird from clay and breathes into
1:42:57
it and it becomes alive by a lost permission and your
1:43:01
defenses. You see, he didn't do it on his
1:43:03
own. But here's the issue.
1:43:05
No prophet in Islam is ever described as creating life.
1:43:09
Not Moses, not Abraham, definitely not Muhammad, and no
1:43:13
Angel breathes life into clay and gives it form, but Jesus
1:43:17
does. And don't miss the kicker here.
1:43:19
Don't stop, stop, stop. I stayed quiet.
1:43:22
You will now stay quiet. OK?
1:43:24
This is how you destroy these idiotic arguments ladies and
1:43:26
gentlemen in the Quran who breathes life into Adam, Allah
1:43:30
himself. Surah chapter 15 verse 29 I
1:43:34
breathed into him of my spirit. Yet in Surah chapter 3 verse 49
1:43:39
Jesus said and quote I breathed into it and it becomes a bird.
1:43:43
Not by our last permission. These are Jesus's words.
1:43:46
In Surah 349 I breathed into it and it becomes a bird.
1:43:50
So you've now got Jesus doing an exclusive act of divine creation
1:43:55
using the same mechanism that Allah you and Adam's creation.
1:43:59
That's not just a prophet, that someone who is sharing in divine
1:44:03
prerogative. Now slapping the phrase by I
1:44:06
lost permission doesn't save you and I'm going to tell you why.
1:44:09
Because if it takes divine permission to create life and
1:44:13
Jesus does it, then Jesus is operating with divine power.
1:44:17
Just like John 521 says the Son gives life to whom he will.
1:44:23
You are proving our point here my friend.
1:44:25
Jesus creates life, Jesus speaks the truth.
1:44:29
Jesus heals the blind and Jesus healed the leper, gave people
1:44:33
the ability to walk who were paralyzed all day, all day.
1:44:36
Your, your prophet looks exactly like what exactly?
1:44:39
He is not a prophet. That is not less than don't, OK,
1:44:41
when I'm done talking, you'll know.
1:44:43
Don't OK me, OK, You're giving respect.
1:44:45
You're going to give me damn respect, all right?
1:44:47
Jesus is not less than God. That is evidence of his divine
1:44:51
identity, even by your own books.
1:44:52
So no, you didn't refute anything.
1:44:54
You just expose how Islam keeps borrowing from Christianity
1:44:58
while denying the very foundation it's built on.
1:45:00
So this is what we're going to do.
1:45:01
We're going to keep talking about that.
1:45:03
You're going to make one more. You're going to try again to try
1:45:06
to use those verses to try to prove that somehow Jesus is
1:45:10
still not God. And then we are going to talk
1:45:13
about why it doesn't matter anyway because the Quran is not
1:45:16
God's word. So I want you to address this,
1:45:19
address what you were trying to say.
1:45:20
Go ahead and give me some sort of desperate rebuttal as to how
1:45:23
it proves that Jesus is not God, and then we're going to talk
1:45:25
about why it doesn't matter anyway.
1:45:27
Go ahead. What I like about Christians is
1:45:32
that they take ambiguous verses, give it their own interpretation
1:45:37
and then ignore the clear cut verses.
1:45:40
So brother, let me ask you a question.
1:45:42
Is Moses God, yes or no? It's a stupid question.
1:45:45
Do you make your statement? What did I tell you about trying
1:45:47
to build narratives? I told you not to try to build
1:45:50
narratives on my show. Make it address the same way
1:45:52
that I addressed your points. Address my points.
1:45:55
OK. Is Moses God?
1:45:58
No, he's not God. Did Did Moses throw the stick
1:46:00
and became a snake? Yes, he did.
1:46:02
Does that make him God? No, because it it was by God's
1:46:06
permission that that the stick turned into a snake.
1:46:10
That that does not make Jesus. That does not make Moses God.
1:46:14
It's the same thing with Jesus and the same thing.
1:46:17
So Jesus created the bird out of grey and by God's permission,
1:46:23
same thing with Moses. The bird became alive also.
1:46:27
Let's go to the Quran. Let's go back to the fantasy.
1:46:29
What he what he says about Jesus.
1:46:33
Wait, let me where's the verse the Quran says in chapter 572 In
1:46:39
72 they have certainly disbelieved who say Allah is the
1:46:45
Messiah, the son of Mary because they are committing Sheikh also
1:46:49
in 5116 Allah says and the day when Allah will say Jesus son of
1:46:55
Mary. Did you say to the people take
1:46:57
me into my mother as as a deities beside Allah, Jesus
1:47:02
pants glory to you. I never say to them except what
1:47:06
you commanded me, worship Allah my Lord and your Lord.
1:47:09
So we have clear cut verses in the Quran that say Jesus is not
1:47:14
God. But those Christians take verses
1:47:17
out of context, ambiguous verses and you try to say, oh your
1:47:21
Quran says Jesus is God. No, he's not God.
1:47:24
If you are saying this is God, this is on this miracle Moses
1:47:28
has to be called. This.
1:47:29
Oh dear. Yeah.
1:47:30
Now this is interesting. He's born of a virgin.
1:47:33
He heals people, resurrects the dead, and we're not even talking
1:47:37
about the Bible yet. We're still on the Quran.
1:47:40
You know what? Let's and let's take that,
1:47:41
Brett. Let's, let's, let's run with
1:47:43
that idea met. And I'm going to I, I, I'm going
1:47:45
to show the world how much of A hypocrite you and every other
1:47:49
Muslim is in the world. And you will not interrupt me.
1:47:51
You interrupt me once. I'm going to mute you.
1:47:52
All right, so I'm going to expose the double standard very
1:47:56
quickly and very clearly and very efficiently.
1:47:58
You said that Christians take ambiguous verses and ignore the
1:48:01
clear ones. Fine, let's play by that
1:48:04
standard. All right, with your Quran.
1:48:06
First, Moses, you asked, is Moses God?
1:48:09
No, and no Christian ever said that he was.
1:48:12
Why? Because Moses never said I am
1:48:15
the way, the truth, and the life.
1:48:17
John 14/6 never did Moses ever forgive sins as he did in Mark
1:48:21
chapter 2 versus 5 through 7. Never did he accept worship and
1:48:26
the Matthew 528 is 17 is where you can reference that.
1:48:28
And he never claimed to preexist Abraham like Jesus did in John
1:48:33
858. Jesus did all of that, so
1:48:35
nothing that you said even remotely matters.
1:48:37
Now let's go to the bird miracle because you keep hiding behind
1:48:41
that by Allah's permission garbage.
1:48:43
But here's a track. You agree that only Allah
1:48:46
creates life and yet your Quran says that Jesus breathes life.
1:48:50
You can continue to say ambiguous versus all you want.
1:48:53
Your false book of God says itself.
1:48:57
Jesus breathes life in Surah 349 and five 110, which is the exact
1:49:02
act that Allah does in Surah 1529.
1:49:06
I breathe like I breathe into to him of my spirit.
1:49:09
No other prophet does this, not one.
1:49:11
And I know that you know that, right?
1:49:12
Trying to sidestep it doesn't save your it does not save.
1:49:15
It's not helping you right now. Again, this brings us back to
1:49:20
why none of it matters anyway. Which is the thorn in your side,
1:49:23
the one that is not going away. The Islamic dilemma.
1:49:26
If creating life doesn't make Jesus divine, then creation is
1:49:31
not a unique divine attribute. But if it is a divine attribute
1:49:35
and Jesus does it, then Islam just affirmed his divinity while
1:49:40
denying it and you're too dumb to even know it.
1:49:42
Now about Surah 572 and five 116 where it says Jesus is not Allah
1:49:48
and denies being worshipped, Sure, no problem.
1:49:50
Christians don't say that Jesus is the Father.
1:49:52
We say that he is the son one with the Father in John chapter
1:49:56
10 verse 30. You're attacking A
1:49:57
misrepresentation and not actual doctrine of the Bible.
1:50:01
So let's be honest about it, OK? Because again, we're going to
1:50:03
expose your double standard. Sarah chapter 5 verse 116 is a
1:50:07
straw man. No Christian has ever said that
1:50:09
Mary is a part of the Trinity. Which is laughable to me that
1:50:13
Muhammad even didn't even know what the hell the Trinity was
1:50:16
and made Mary part of the Trinity, right?
1:50:18
Which I guarantee you have no explanation for that, at least
1:50:20
not a good one. And that's not a refutation of
1:50:22
Christian theology. It's a clear sign that Muhammad
1:50:25
misunderstood it. And that's your Quran, the
1:50:28
bunking of belief that nobody holds.
1:50:30
So what is the bottom line? Your own Quran gives Jesus
1:50:33
titles, miracles, and powers that no other prophet shares,
1:50:37
and then it turns around and says that he's just a prophet.
1:50:40
That's not revelation, it is a complete contradiction.
1:50:43
So if you want to quote clear verses, don't ignore the clear
1:50:46
implication of those verses. Jesus creates, Jesus knows,
1:50:49
Jesus forgives, and Jesus judges.
1:50:51
And none of that is ever said about Moses, Muhammad, or anyone
1:50:55
else. You're not refuting the divinity
1:50:56
of Christ, you're proving it verse by verse.
1:51:02
Go ahead. OK now.
1:51:05
Yep. Again, as you guys see I told
1:51:09
you they will always try to misrepresent the Quran, give
1:51:12
their own interpretation, read the Quran with eternity lens and
1:51:16
try to justify that Jesus God in the Quran.
1:51:18
No it's not God. We can see clear cut versus
1:51:21
where Jesus is not God. The creation of the bird.
1:51:24
Jesus did not create the bird by himself.
1:51:26
Jesus did not give life to the bird.
1:51:28
Jesus created the shape without of clay and by the permission of
1:51:32
Allah the creator of devils in the earth.
1:51:35
The bird turned into a little thing, just like how Moses did.
1:51:40
OK, so explain. Explain John 858.
1:51:43
Explain John. Explain John 858.
1:51:45
No, you know what? I'm not letting you finish
1:51:46
because you're saying the same crap over and over and you're
1:51:48
wasting my and everybody elses time.
1:51:50
I don't give a damn to hear the same thing over and over.
1:51:52
I'm sorry, Now you're just getting on my nerves because
1:51:55
you're not saying anything. Brett and I are actually using
1:51:58
theology to refute you, and you just continue to go back to the
1:52:01
same thing, right? And you're not using, you're not
1:52:03
using. You are not using anything
1:52:05
theological. You're not using anything
1:52:07
theological to prove it. You are just.
1:52:09
Yeah, the proof. I'm not trying to prove it to
1:52:12
you in the Koran. I'm telling you that the Koran
1:52:14
is not God's word. Anyway.
1:52:15
You can't. You cannot even say anything
1:52:17
about the Islamic dilemma. That's why you are.
1:52:18
You're a coward, and you're running away from it.
1:52:20
So explain how? Explain how then.
1:52:24
Why then why does the Koran affirm the Bible?
1:52:27
Why does the Koran affirm the Bible then?
1:52:31
I'm not shifting the I'm not shifting the I'm, I'm telling
1:52:35
you because either way you're talking about the Quran, you're,
1:52:38
you're making a false, you're making a false accusation saying
1:52:41
that I'm trying to use the Quran.
1:52:42
I'm not using the Quran. We're trying to explain to you
1:52:44
that even the Quran acknowledges Jesus divinity, whether you want
1:52:48
to acknowledge it or not. But it doesn't matter to me
1:52:49
because I said it and I have witnesses making it clear that I
1:52:52
made it clear that I don't care what the Quran says.
1:52:55
I don't care what the Quran says because it is a self refuting
1:52:58
book. And I said that how many times?
1:53:00
I said, anybody else here in the chat hear me say that?
1:53:02
Did you hear me say that, Brett? I'm sorry, I'm having a little
1:53:09
bit of delay. I did not hear you say anything
1:53:11
of the sort. You didn't.
1:53:13
You didn't hear me say that the Quran was not the word of God
1:53:15
anyway. Oh, I heard you say that.
1:53:18
I'm sorry there's a little bit of delay.
1:53:20
That's fine, there's no problem. So at the end of the day, Med
1:53:23
the Muslim, you continue to repeat the same points.
1:53:26
I get it. We all know what you feel about
1:53:28
that. We've used theology.
1:53:30
I have addressed it. You continue to repeat it.
1:53:32
I don't care about your your subjective opinions.
1:53:34
You have yet to use any evidence to show, right?
1:53:37
Just like I can't. I have quoted countless verses.
1:53:39
I have quoted countless verses in the Bible, just like John
1:53:42
858, right? John 10:30.
1:53:44
So why it's but you can't address them.
1:53:46
You cannot address them, right? So here, since you don't want to
1:53:49
address it, you don't, you haven't.
1:53:50
Did you address John 858? Explain John 858 for me.
1:53:54
I'm talking about the Quran, bro.
1:53:56
You're talking about in this, in the question saying I cannot, I
1:53:58
cannot talk about it at the same time one by one, bro, you said
1:54:02
that you said that. Jesus, that's pathetic.
1:54:03
That is pathetic. You can't.
1:54:04
You can't. You can't have it.
1:54:05
You can't have a conversation. You can't think about more than
1:54:07
one thing at once, John 858 said.
1:54:10
Before Abraham was I am. Before Abraham was.
1:54:13
I am, Yeah. Yeah.
1:54:15
So what was he saying? Jesus.
1:54:16
God. So then why did the Jews hold
1:54:21
on? Stop.
1:54:21
Stop trying. Stop trying.
1:54:22
Stop trying to pivot. OK, you don't run the tempo
1:54:25
here. I do.
1:54:26
Before Abraham was I am, and the Jews picked up stones to stone
1:54:31
him for blasphemy. Why?
1:54:33
Yeah, Why? Because Jesus is.
1:54:35
Because Jesus is claiming to be the Messiah and Jews are known
1:54:38
to kill the prophets. That's the stupidest thing I
1:54:41
ever heard. Do you have any evidence to to
1:54:43
back up that claim? I don't want to hear what you
1:54:45
think. I want to hear what is the
1:54:47
evidence that he was claiming to be the Messiah and that Jewish
1:54:50
people killed prophets. What was evidence that Jesus was
1:54:53
claiming to be God by saying before Abraham I am?
1:54:57
Because it was written down, it was copied.
1:54:59
Even Jewish scholars admit to it.
1:55:02
No, they admit that Jesus, God. What?
1:55:06
They admit they admit that Jesus is God based on this verse.
1:55:10
They admitted that that's what he said.
1:55:15
Jesus says I am God. That's your, that's your own
1:55:18
interpretation, you said. That's my own.
1:55:24
That's my own interpretation. Let me, let me, let me show you
1:55:26
what an interpretation is right, because you continue to try.
1:55:30
We're we're only showing you that the Quran is not the word
1:55:33
of God. That, that, that, that at the
1:55:35
end of the day, I don't care what the I don't care what the
1:55:37
Quran. The only reason that the Quran
1:55:39
even tries. Yeah, I I don't care what John
1:55:42
says. Hodo John.
1:55:44
Tell me. Hodo, John.
1:55:45
I you. Don't even know who wrote your
1:55:46
books. You don't even know.
1:55:48
You don't even know who wrote your books.
1:55:49
And you believe that it's? Divine.
1:55:51
Right. Yeah, he is.
1:55:52
So, so, so, So what? What is it?
1:55:54
So do you have any proof that we don't know who wrote our books?
1:55:59
OK, tell me, who is John? Who is John?
1:56:01
Who's Luke? Who's Mark?
1:56:03
John, you're are you talking about John the Apostle?
1:56:05
You're saying that we don't know who they are.
1:56:07
Who the hell is Muhammad? A rapist?
1:56:09
A rapist who? Who?
1:56:10
Who raided caravans and beheaded innocent people?
1:56:13
You want, do you want to play that game?
1:56:14
Because I can play that game with you.
1:56:16
He, he married. He married and took advantage of
1:56:18
little girls. Didn't.
1:56:19
OK. Didn't you just say in first
1:56:21
Psalm 15, Chapter 3 to kill all the infants and the babies and
1:56:24
the women and the donkeys and the animals did?
1:56:26
He say that or no? Are you confusing divine
1:56:28
judgement with Muhammad taking advantage of little girls?
1:56:31
Are you equating the two? OK, this is exactly what we're
1:56:34
talking about, ladies and gentlemen.
1:56:36
I, I have, I have asked this coward time and again to address
1:56:41
the Islamic dilemma, right? And I was trying to, and I, and
1:56:44
I made it clear about 10 minutes ago that we were going to get on
1:56:47
to that topic. Because I'm going to show him
1:56:49
that nothing that he says about Jesus even remotely matters.
1:56:52
Because at the end of the day, the Islamic dilemma is a
1:56:55
theological and epistemological inconsistency that they cannot
1:56:59
overcome. And it arises because Muslims
1:57:02
affirm that the Bible was originally a divine revelation
1:57:05
from Allah, such as the Torah given to Moses and the Gospel
1:57:08
given to Jesus. Yet they simultaneously argue
1:57:11
that the Bible has been corrupted, which creates a
1:57:13
problem with the Quran itself affirming the authority,
1:57:16
clarity, and preservation of previous scriptures.
1:57:18
Right. So this who is typing in the
1:57:21
background? So this is exactly what I'm
1:57:22
talking about. This is what I'm trying to say.
1:57:25
This is the point that I was trying to get to.
1:57:26
This is the point that I was trying to get to.
1:57:28
What? I'm not running from anything,
1:57:31
you coward. You're the one who hasn't
1:57:32
approached a single thing to me. You said Muhammad is rapist or
1:57:35
about your God? Didn't you say to kill the
1:57:37
infants yes or no? Did he say to kill the infants,
1:57:40
yes or no? Are you, you really, you really
1:57:43
do you really want to get into that point?
1:57:45
You really want to get into that point?
1:57:46
All right, cool. Here I'm going to destroy you
1:57:48
and I'm going to show you that you can stop trying to equate
1:57:51
your little rapist, your your little fake prophet to Jesus
1:57:54
Christ. First Samuel 15 three, which you
1:57:57
didn't even know what the verse was, records God commanding Saul
1:58:00
to strike Amalek and destroy man and woman, child and infant, ox
1:58:04
and sheep. So let's stop pretending that
1:58:06
Christians hide this, OK? Nobody tries to hide this.
1:58:09
We understand it in context, which is something that cowards
1:58:12
like you skip when you're quoting the Bible.
1:58:15
So here's the context that you're avoiding the Amalekites.
1:58:18
This was where this command came from.
1:58:20
The Amalekites attacked Israel from behind, targeting the weak,
1:58:24
targeting the elderly during the Exodus.
1:58:26
And you can reference that in Deuteronomy chapter 251718 and
1:58:30
19. And they did it unprovoked,
1:58:32
which again, you as a coward decided that you were going to
1:58:35
overlook that, right? God waited actually 400 years
1:58:38
before executing that judgement and giving them time to repent,
1:58:42
dude. OK, So what?
1:58:48
OK, so I, I didn't tell you. I didn't tell you you could talk
1:58:50
or talk over me, OK? Because you're a coward.
1:58:53
You don't want to hear the context because you're a coward.
1:58:55
You don't want to talk about how your fake prophet who was always
1:58:58
covered in semen and piss, You don't want to talk about your
1:59:01
fake prophet who was always covered in semen and urine did
1:59:03
the things that he did to innocent Jewish people by
1:59:05
beheading them. But you want to talk about God's
1:59:07
judgments, right? You want to talk about X?
1:59:10
You want to talk about the Exodus story?
1:59:11
You want to talk about deuterotomy, chapter 25, verses
1:59:14
17 through 19 and what these people did unprovoked and still
1:59:17
God waited 400 years before executing judgment because He
1:59:20
was giving them time to repent, which if you would have shut
1:59:22
your mouth, you would have heard in Genesis 1516, that wasn't a
1:59:26
random slaughter. It was a divine act of judgement
1:59:29
on genocidal people, genocidal people.
1:59:32
Now here again, the same dilemma you just triggered because you
1:59:35
say that I run, I don't give a damn.
1:59:36
Your little pathetic little Muslim type of, of sound bite
1:59:39
where you try to tell Christians that we're running, nobody's
1:59:41
running. The problem is that's what you
1:59:42
guys try to do. The problem is that's what you
1:59:44
guys try to do because you don't like that.
1:59:46
You're losing the argument. What you always do you, He is a
1:59:50
rapist. He is a rapist.
1:59:52
Muhammad is a rapist. Sorry, I'm sorry you don't like
1:59:54
it. All right, now the the dilemma
1:59:56
now that you trigger by that is that the Quran affirms the Torah
1:59:59
as revealed by Allah Surah chapter 543 to 48.
2:00:03
So if you believe that the Torah was once true and First Samuel
2:00:07
was part of it, then you're either denying Allah's own
2:00:09
revelation or accusing Allah of commanding what you call a moral
2:00:13
or admitting that you don't actually believe that the Torah
2:00:15
was ever from God. Again, you are the clown
2:00:18
triggering your own dilemma because the Quran itself
2:00:21
commands slaughter in Surah 812. Which it says strike their necks
2:00:25
and fingertips and in surround 95 where it says kill the
2:00:28
polytheists wherever you find them.
2:00:30
And the hadith where Muhammad ordered the execution of boys
2:00:33
with public hair after the Banu Kiryasa siege.
2:00:37
And you can find that in Sahi Muslim 4390.
2:00:40
That is not divine judgement for over 400 years where they were
2:00:43
given time to repent. That's immediate personal
2:00:46
retaliation. So if you want to talk about
2:00:48
infants and judgment, start with your own books.
2:00:50
Because unlike the Bible, which is transparent about hard
2:00:52
topics, Islamic sources deny, dodge, or rewrite them.
2:00:57
Right? You, you're, you're running.
2:00:58
You're running away from these topics the way that I should try
2:01:00
to run away from Mohammed. He's $100 challenge.
2:01:04
Give me a verse, give me authentic hadith where God or
2:01:07
the Prophet says to kill the infants and the women just like
2:01:11
it. You know, Jesus says in the
2:01:13
Bible, I dare you, I dare you to fight that verse like this.
2:01:15
Quran is filled with passages of.
2:01:18
You really are stupid. You really are stupid, brother.
2:01:21
Have you ever, have you ever even read the Quran before you
2:01:24
an American? I never says something, but I
2:01:26
never says to kill the infants and the women.
2:01:29
You're. Dude, you are really you.
2:01:30
You really are stupid Sahib Muslim 4390 After the battle of
2:01:35
the trench, Muhammad ordered the execution of Banu Karisa tribe.
2:01:38
This included every male who had reached puberty.
2:01:41
How did they check that? By inspecting for pubic hair
2:01:44
boys, not just adult men. Ibani Shak's Sira Rasul Allah
2:01:48
page 464 and the goleming translation confirms the mass
2:01:51
execution which included boys as young as 13.
2:01:54
Sunan Abu Dawa 2664 narrated by Sunat Abin Jundu says the
2:02:00
Prophet said kill every every infant among the polytheists for
2:02:03
they grow up to be like their fathers.
2:02:05
This isn't weak, it's graded Hassan good by scholars like Al
2:02:09
Abani. You also have Sahi Al Bukhari
2:02:12
30153015 and Muslim 1745 says during a raid a woman was found
2:02:18
killed. Muhammad disapproved but only
2:02:20
because she wasn't the intended target, not because killing
2:02:23
women was categorically forbidden.
2:02:25
As a matter of fact, in Sarah 95, there's a blanket command to
2:02:28
kill idolaters wherever they are.
2:02:30
No age, no, no exception. So again, so again now, dude,
2:02:35
shut up. You said find it, and then we
2:02:37
find it, and then you say you're upset and you're saying it's out
2:02:40
of context. So what is the context?
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What is the context? The answers, the whole answer is
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do not kill those do not cannot believe us if they don't keep
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you off to your out of your houses.
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So the context is when those politics attacks the Muslims and
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you try to kill the Muslims, so the Quran is giving them the
2:03:01
order to fight back. Their people did something bad
2:03:04
for 100 years late before. My goodness, you know man, we
2:03:10
don't even have to look in their Quran, we can look at this
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modern day society with modern brides, war, destruction
2:03:20
constantly right? And and The thing is too he, it,
2:03:23
it, it wasn't even a nice try. I was going to say nice try, but
2:03:26
I'm not even going to say that because the context doesn't the
2:03:29
defense doesn't work when your own sources contradict the
2:03:33
peaceful spin that you're lying but is trying to put on it
2:03:36
because you're referring to verses I'm going to I'm going to
2:03:38
explain it because unlike you, I'm going to actually use
2:03:41
evidence, including your own text to prove that you're lying.
2:03:44
You're referring to verses like Sarah chapter 2, verses 190 to
2:03:48
193, where Muslims are told to fight those who fight them.
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But then you conveniently skipped to Sarah 95 where it
2:03:55
said then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and
2:03:57
capture them and besiege them and sit and wait for them and
2:04:01
every place of ambush. There's no qualifier in that
2:04:04
verse that says only if they attack you first.
2:04:06
OK as a matter of fact this is called Ayat as Asif.
2:04:10
The sword verse and classical tafsir Ibankafir al Tabadi makes
2:04:15
it very clear that this verse abrogates earlier peaceful
2:04:19
verses. It is an offensive command
2:04:21
against idolaters unless they convert or pay jizya and don't
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play the Qarish persecuted US card.
2:04:28
And ignoring what Muhammad did later because after gaining
2:04:31
power he didn't just retaliate against the Quraysh.
2:04:36
He launched 27 military campaigns including raids where
2:04:41
entire villages were subdued, where men were executed, where
2:04:45
women and children were enslaved.
2:04:47
And all you have to do is look at Sahih Muslim 3328 and Bugatti
2:04:50
2542. Now you can contrast that with
2:04:54
the Bible where first Samuel 15 three is a hard verse, but it
2:04:57
was a specific time bound act of divine judgement after centuries
2:05:01
of Amalekite violence. So again, trying to equate the
2:05:04
things that Muhammad did which was not a messenger of God to
2:05:07
God's actual judgement is laughable and pathetic.
2:05:10
That's not a standing order for believers to wage war on
2:05:13
unbelievers. Jesus gives 0 commands to kill,
2:05:16
wage jihad or conquer by force only to love your enemies in
2:05:20
Matthew 544 and suffer persecution not inflicted in
2:05:24
John 1520. So I'm going to be absolutely
2:05:26
clear with you. Islamic sources include
2:05:28
open-ended commands to fight non-Muslims as it says in Saran
2:05:32
9 verse 29. It approved the killing of boys
2:05:35
in Sahi Muslim 4390 and the enslavement of women after
2:05:39
battle in Quran 424. And no, context does not
2:05:43
sanitize it. It only proves that the system
2:05:45
was built to dominate by what you call a prophet.
2:05:48
So if you want to critique scripture, you better start by
2:05:51
holding your own sources to the same standard.
2:05:53
Because right now you're exposing your profit more than
2:05:56
you're defending him. OK.
2:05:58
OK, let me beg you. Please try.
2:06:01
Please try. What did?
2:06:03
OK, what did you want to do after the conquest of Mecca with
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the with the 10,000 soldiers? What did he do to the police?
2:06:10
Did he kill them? What did he spare them?
2:06:12
What did he do? If the Quran says to kill them,
2:06:16
why he spared them? Yes, that's why if I was you, I
2:06:20
would stay silent. I'm not saying silent.
2:06:22
I'm letting, I'm letting you, I'm letting you shoot yourself
2:06:24
in the foot. I told you you're not building a
2:06:26
narrative here. You're you're a clown.
2:06:27
And you failed, yes, yes, I'm clown, I would say.
2:06:30
And you failed to bring one source, one evidence that says
2:06:34
in the it's OK to kill men, women, infants and even animals.
2:06:41
Bro, how can this is not analogous?
2:06:44
This is not analogous. OK man, here, here, let me.
2:06:46
Let me you. You said you were going to bake
2:06:48
me. You said you were going to bake
2:06:49
me. Now watch this because again, it
2:06:51
shows you that you're an ignorant fool that lies and you
2:06:54
think that you're going to pull this crap over on people in my
2:06:57
chat and it's not going to work. Now you're talking about the
2:07:00
conquest at Mecca where Mohammed marched in with what they say
2:07:03
were 10,000 soldiers and some Meccans were spared
2:07:06
conditionally. History is not your friend here
2:07:09
my friend. But you're leaving out the rest.
2:07:11
So let's talk about the rest. Because you are a lying coward
2:07:14
who thinks that he baked somebody when all you did was
2:07:16
bake yourself and your fake urine covered piss infested
2:07:20
Muhammad. Because you're leaving out the
2:07:22
rest of the story where he also ordered the execution of
2:07:26
specific individuals even if they were clinging to the Kaaba
2:07:29
for protection. And according to Ibn Saeed, what
2:07:33
do you call the the Tabakat and Al Tabadi's history, men like
2:07:37
Arkima Ibn ABI Jalu and Abala Ibn Saad and all these other
2:07:41
people and singing girls who mocked Muhammad were marked for
2:07:44
death regardless of surrender. Some were only spared after
2:07:48
begging for mercy or having influential Muslims intercede.
2:07:52
So no, it wasn't absolute mercy. It was selective mercy and it
2:07:55
was only shown after military dominance was achieved.
2:07:59
That is not moral superiority, that is pragmatism.
2:08:02
And let's not also forget because you're a line fool who
2:08:05
thinks that you know more than I do.
2:08:07
And it's not even close that the battle of Hunan happened
2:08:11
immediately after Mecca where thousands were killed and
2:08:14
captives were taken, including women.
2:08:17
And you can reference again guys, write this down Sahi
2:08:19
Bukhari 2542. It was not a peace and love era.
2:08:23
This was Muhammad consolidating power through blood and
2:08:26
allegiance. Meanwhile, Jesus marched into
2:08:29
Jerusalem not with 10,000 troops, but on a donkey, knowing
2:08:33
that he would be crucified. He didn't demand allegiance.
2:08:35
He laid down his life for us in John 1018 unlike anything that
2:08:38
Mohammed ever did. While he was busy raping people,
2:08:41
he didn't execute enemies, He forgave them on the cross, as it
2:08:44
alludes to in Luke 2334. Beautiful Mama, I love it so.
2:08:49
It was so so don't boast about conquest, mercy, when when the
2:08:53
standard is sinless, sacrificial love.
2:08:55
Your prophet, your prophet, your prophet.
2:08:57
Your prophet spared some because he could.
2:09:00
Our savior died because he wanted to.
2:09:03
So you again, you don't don't stick the time about you bake me
2:09:06
and I will stay silent. You shut you.
2:09:07
You. You can go somewhere else with
2:09:09
that garbage, bro. Because you didn't bake anybody.
2:09:10
All you did was hope that nobody knew about the stories before
2:09:14
and after and about what actually happened during that.
2:09:16
So you know what you bake? You bake your own prophet
2:09:19
because at the end of the day that's all he is.
2:09:20
He's your prophet, but he's rotting in the ground with
2:09:23
maggots eating his worthless face because that's all he's
2:09:26
worth. Jesus is in heaven.
2:09:28
Even in your own self refuting book admits it while Muhammad is
2:09:31
rotting like the scumbag that he was.
2:09:34
You want to keep going because I can do this all day.
2:09:39
Muhammad, the face of the creation, you're saying.
2:09:43
You're saying, oh, he killed. He killed the porthiest the ones
2:09:47
I want you to kill him, yes. After you, after you said that
2:09:49
he wasn't, After you said that he didn't, after you said that
2:09:52
he didn't. And then you're pissed off now
2:09:53
because I called you out on your life because you're a liar,
2:09:55
you're running, you're a coward, you're a typical Muslim who
2:09:58
likes to quote things out of context.
2:10:00
And now he's gone and you guys see my hands.
2:10:03
I hear you. I think that he left so he could
2:10:05
go check his bottom and the mirror to see how red it was
2:10:08
from all the spanking he received.
2:10:10
Bro, this dude came in here talking about that.
2:10:12
He didn't kill everybody. He got pissed off because he
2:10:15
tried to quote a battle from Muhammad and didn't think that I
2:10:18
knew the actual details of that battle, to say nothing of the
2:10:21
things that Muhammad did after that.
2:10:23
Guys, let me tell you something about that guy Muhammad.
2:10:25
There was even writings of Aisha who made it clear that Muhammad
2:10:31
was constantly covered in semen, even to the point where she was
2:10:35
cleaning him off and would continue to find semen on him.
2:10:38
How disgusting do you have to be to think that he is the epitome
2:10:43
of creation that he is the epitome of?
2:10:45
Prophets, they would try to argue if he was surrounded by
2:10:49
semen, he'd probably say, oh, he was in the Navy for a little
2:10:52
bit. DT you have been very patient,
2:10:57
my friend, and I really do appreciate that.
2:10:59
Do you have anything that you want to add to this
2:11:00
conversation? Unfortunately, it appears to be
2:11:04
muted. DT you can unmute yourself.
2:11:07
Thank you for muting yourself. I appreciate it.
2:11:09
DT What do you what do you believe?
2:11:10
Are you a Muslim? Can.
2:11:11
You give me 10 minutes. Please.
2:11:14
Well, I'm about to end the live soon, OK?
2:11:17
Yeah, I'm a Muslim. Yes.
2:11:18
OK, So what do you do? You don't believe that Jesus is
2:11:21
God? No, I don't.
2:11:23
Okay, can you prove that Jesus is not God?
2:11:28
Yeah. So firstly, I'm just to make it
2:11:31
clear, keep this conversation respectful.
2:11:34
I've been hearing this for a long time and yeah, this
2:11:37
conversation is not respectful. So I would appreciate that if
2:11:40
you can reciprocated with myself.
2:11:43
Well, I, I, I, I, I maintain the level of energy that is given to
2:11:46
me, right? So if you're respectful, I mean
2:11:48
everybody here who tells you that when you have a pleasant
2:11:50
conversation with me, I go exactly where you go, just to
2:11:53
show the world that Christians are not to be abused.
2:11:56
That's absolutely right. Maverick's a good man.
2:11:58
His mood changes with the temperature of the room.
2:12:01
Yep. So go ahead, DT.
2:12:03
Right. So firstly, you're making the
2:12:05
claim that Jesus has got, so the burden of proof is on you.
2:12:09
Secondly, Jesus and John 17 three categorically says there's
2:12:14
only one true God and that is the Father For me.
2:12:17
Only true God will be excluded himself from divinity, and that
2:12:22
is enough proof for me. Yes, that you're making a
2:12:25
positive claim that Jesus is not God.
2:12:28
Therefore, the burden is our new.
2:12:29
Server, right? No, no, no, he didn't make the
2:12:32
claim that he is. He made the claim that he was
2:12:36
got here. I'll show you look you quoted
2:12:38
John 17 three right and you're saying like it was a knockout
2:12:40
verse, but you're actually just reading it.
2:12:42
Jesus says and quote this is eternal life that they know you
2:12:45
the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
2:12:48
Notice the and he's not excluding himself.
2:12:52
You have sent, which means he's not excluding himself, right.
2:12:55
Anybody else who was a just a prophet or a mere human being
2:12:58
would never equate himself from God.
2:12:59
But the fact that he's using the and means that he was not
2:13:02
excluding himself. He's saying again, so we'll read
2:13:04
it again slowly. This is eternal life that they
2:13:07
know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
2:13:13
God and and Jesus Christ meaning both equally not God and you
2:13:18
know Christ that you sent later and he's not really God.
2:13:20
I would know he's he's not excluding himself.
2:13:22
He was actually distinguishing the persons there, but he's not
2:13:26
denying the divinity and the verse actually mirrors first
2:13:28
Corinthians chapter 8 verse 6 where Paul says yet for us there
2:13:32
is one God the Father and 1 Lord Jesus Christ, not two different
2:13:36
beings, but two persons in divine unity.
2:13:39
Now hold on one second DT Med you did not get kicked.
2:13:42
As a matter of fact, I was recording the conversation and
2:13:44
when I do upload it to YouTube, which I'm definitely going to
2:13:46
do, you're going to see that when I was talking, my hands are
2:13:48
like this. In order to kick somebody, I
2:13:50
would have to grab my mouse, go over here.
2:13:52
I would have to say hang up and then acknowledge it.
2:13:54
My hand was not down. Both my hands were actually up
2:13:57
talking and I actually looked and you were gone.
2:13:59
So you can sit there and cut and try to make that insinuation,
2:14:01
but like everything else you said, it was a lie.
2:14:03
Right? Back to you, brother.
2:14:04
DT. If you want more proof, you can
2:14:06
look at John chapter one verse one where it says in the
2:14:08
beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word
2:14:11
was God. That Word becomes flesh in verse
2:14:14
14, which is Jesus Christ and Thomas calls him quote my Lord
2:14:18
and my God and quote in John chapter 20 verse 28.
2:14:22
And again, Jesus does not deny his worship or his divinity
2:14:26
there. He did not say, no, don't do
2:14:28
that the way that other people did when they were trying to be
2:14:31
worshipped, right? Jesus never denied the worship.
2:14:33
So either Jesus is lying by omission or he's exactly who
2:14:37
Thomas said that he was. And the burden of proof is where
2:14:40
Christ proved his divinity by forgiving sins.
2:14:42
And Mark chapter 2 verses 5 through 7.
2:14:44
So accepting worship in Matthew 1433 and being called God over
2:14:48
all by Paul in Romans 95. The problem is, brother DT,
2:14:51
you're you're cherry picking one verse out of a 66 book cannon
2:14:55
and ignore everything else, which unfortunately is not
2:14:58
honest exegesis. It is a it's, it's you're just
2:15:00
playing theological dodgeball. Brother Mike, I'm sorry you're
2:15:03
in here, brother. What's going on, man?
2:15:07
I can't hear you. Oh no.
2:15:08
Oh, there you are. There you are.
2:15:08
I'm going. To make a statement.
2:15:10
Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I was just going to say
2:15:14
that I was going to make a statement that I heard
2:15:17
connection difficulties on men and Muslims.
2:15:19
So he can't be claiming that you kicked him off that like he was
2:15:22
in the last comments on your video of him kicking you, right?
2:15:26
So I'm just going to basically make that statement right there
2:15:28
that you didn't kick him. I heard technical difficulties
2:15:30
on his side on the video, and he's probably going to start
2:15:34
claiming that. So I just wanted to make that
2:15:35
statement right. Yeah, that's good.
2:15:37
And I and I appreciate that. I appreciate that because I know
2:15:39
you always got my back brother Mike.
2:15:41
But even and even and then I'm glad because if he even does try
2:15:44
to remotely say that, what I'm going to do is I'm going to take
2:15:47
that comment and I'm going to respond to it.
2:15:50
And I'm going to show the exact clip where he disappeared
2:15:52
because unbeknownst to him, on my recording PC, I recorded the
2:15:55
whole conversation and while I was talking and my hands were
2:15:57
like this, because I talk with my hands.
2:15:59
As all of you guys know, he disappeared at the moment my
2:16:01
hands were up and I would need to actually grab my mouse as I'm
2:16:05
showing you guys here and go over to video ninja and it's a
2:16:09
two click thing. I would have to hang up and I
2:16:11
would have to say OK and have him get out of there.
2:16:13
And even then it wouldn't have been a ban because he could just
2:16:15
come back in. There was no reason for me to
2:16:17
kick somebody out that I was destroying.
2:16:19
I mean, he got spanked. He said he was going to he said
2:16:21
he was going to bake me and and he was it didn't even know.
2:16:24
Either he didn't know or was hoping that we didn't know what
2:16:27
his own hadith and the Quran even say about the things that
2:16:29
Muhammad did. Right.
2:16:30
So DT, go ahead brother, you can have one more follow up
2:16:33
statement because I got to get going here in a few, but I like
2:16:36
you. I appreciate your, I appreciate
2:16:38
your candor. I appreciate your search for
2:16:39
truth and I more than anything, I appreciate your respectfulness
2:16:43
even if we disagree. So go ahead.
2:16:44
You can make a follow up rebuttal to what I said brother.
2:16:48
So when he says the only true God, how is that he including
2:16:52
himself? That first thing, second thing,
2:16:55
you can keep you can keep disagreeing with me, but I don't
2:16:58
think there's a point over there.
2:16:59
He's clearly saying there's only one true God and that for me is
2:17:03
exclusion from himself and that itself.
2:17:06
I think you're you're a follower of parent he isn't it.
2:17:08
So if you said Jesus is the only true God and when he says he was
2:17:13
sent by Jesus in the Old Testament, God has sent other
2:17:16
prophets as well. Do you want me to quote which
2:17:19
prophets did he send according to the Bible?
2:17:25
I'm I'm curious DT I guess is your name.
2:17:28
Can you explain why Jesus is mentioned as the Messiah and the
2:17:33
Quran? And what does Messiah mean in
2:17:35
your? Language you don't.
2:17:40
Want to talk about the Quran? I want to say the topic OK.
2:17:46
Let's stay on the topic then DT because you you you I I I if I
2:17:50
was a Muslim, I would want to avoid the Koran to believe me.
2:17:52
I understand. So when Jesus said in 17 three
2:17:55
you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, he's
2:17:58
praying as the Son to the Father, right?
2:18:00
This is a basic, very long held Trinitarian language, which
2:18:04
again is not exclusion. And we can go to the original
2:18:07
language if you want to, but at the end of the day, it's not an
2:18:10
exclusion but a distinction, right?
2:18:12
He does not say hold on, He does not say you alone are God and I
2:18:17
am not. He includes Himself in the very
2:18:19
sentence defining eternal life. Now I know you don't like it,
2:18:23
but at the end of the day, that is what the language says and it
2:18:25
is very straightforward. There is no ambiguity to that.
2:18:28
You don't get eternal life without knowing both the Father
2:18:32
and the Son. Very straightforward.
2:18:34
Now, whether you want to read something else into that or not,
2:18:36
completely your problem. But at the end of the day, the
2:18:38
language is very straightforward.
2:18:40
Now apart from that, you bring up the fact that prophets were
2:18:43
also sent. Yeah OK great.
2:18:45
So was Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah but none of those people like I
2:18:49
said earlier to the other guy claimed pre existence like Jesus
2:18:53
did in John 858 where he said before Abraham was I am.
2:18:57
That is the divine name from Exodus 314.
2:19:01
Jewish people picked up stones because they knew exactly what
2:19:03
he was claiming, despite the fact that Muslims nowadays want
2:19:06
to keep using the same verses. And even though it's been
2:19:08
debunked over and over, you guys continue to try to make these
2:19:10
claims that are easily, easily explained, right?
2:19:14
And lastly, prophets never said things like all authority in
2:19:18
heaven and on earth has been given to me such as Matthew 2818
2:19:22
or accepted warship again as he did in Matthew 1433.
2:19:26
Or were they ever called God, God with us in Matthew 123?
2:19:30
Jesus wasn't just sent, He came from above as it said in John
2:19:33
313. So something no mere prophet was
2:19:37
ever able a lion to a house cat. It's a similar shape, but one
2:19:40
rules the wild. The other one is not even
2:19:42
anything remotely close in comparison.
2:19:46
Again, you're making a lot of claims you need to give me time
2:19:49
to. Go ahead, repeat everyone.
2:19:51
I'll repeat everyone if you want.
2:19:52
Sure, if you can try, but you keep putting a lot of points
2:19:57
well here, you know. Here, let me be fair then.
2:19:59
Let me be fair, let me be fair. Let's do.
2:20:01
Let's approach one because I'm. About to be late to work as it
2:20:04
is let's do John 858 right John 858 Jesus said before Abraham
2:20:09
was I am right brilliant. OK, so let's do that one.
2:20:13
Let's let's see what you can do with that before I'll just
2:20:15
address one one small bit and then we go to before Abraham was
2:20:18
I am right, He said we. Can't get eternal life without
2:20:21
knowing Jesus and the Father. Jesus and the Father By that
2:20:24
statement itself. You preferred Trinity.
2:20:28
You preferred Trinity because you forgot the Holy Spirit.
2:20:32
I didn't know. I didn't refute anything.
2:20:33
Nobody said anything about the Spirit.
2:20:35
OK, go ahead. Make it.
2:20:36
Make a statement. Because again, I I.
2:20:37
Told you to address one thing, you're addressing something
2:20:39
else. I will.
2:20:39
I will easily pull that apart. Before Abraham was I am right
2:20:45
so. The word for I am is, you know,
2:20:48
in the Greek word is. What's the Greek word you know
2:20:50
that the Greek word is for? I am.
2:20:53
No, I don't know off the top of my head, but I know what you're
2:20:55
talking about. Go ahead.
2:20:55
Abrahamic. Abrahamic, right?
2:20:57
Yeah. Abrahamic with something like
2:21:00
that, yeah. I'm not.
2:21:00
I'm not sure. OK, go ahead.
2:21:02
Go. Ahead, let's keep.
2:21:03
Us the proper now usual. Let's replace I am for God.
2:21:07
So before April, why? Well, why are we replacing
2:21:09
anything? It was written the way it was
2:21:11
written. We'll, we'll, we'll.
2:21:14
Keep it as a test, but I'm just saying just to make it simple
2:21:16
to. Understand.
2:21:17
OK, it's Jesus saying before Abraham was God.
2:21:22
What's the problem? That Satan, that's the first
2:21:23
thing, right? Second thing you might say, Oh
2:21:27
no, he's saying that he existed before Abraham.
2:21:29
That was your argument, isn't it?
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Wasn't it? Obviously if he's saying before
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Abraham was I am, it means he's always existed.
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So if he says before. Abraham was he existed, and he
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then as well. That proves divinity.
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No, sorry, it doesn't, because before Abraham, Satan also
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existed. Is he God as well?
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Actually, you know what he is? Satan is called the God of the
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world in the Bible. So you've got four guys now,
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isn't that a problem for you now?
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OK, I'm gonna, I'm gonna address everything you're saying because
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you everything that you said was built on straw man.
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So I'm gonna. Address it because I got to go.
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You're welcome to come back again tomorrow, DT, because I
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really do have. I have.
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I started 6. It's already 510.
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You can you can go. No problem.
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You can have a good day, brother.
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No, no, I'm not leaving yet. I'm gonna.
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I'm gonna address this. I'm gonna address this.
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Because I'll be damned if. Anybody's gonna make.
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That many statements I'd rather be late to work first so first
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your claim there was a complete strong and I'm going to show you
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how I'm actually going to use evidence as opposed to what you
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did DT. I am.
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I am. I'm going to address all of it
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because yeah, yeah, listen, I'm. Trying to okay DT this is you're
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starting to piss me off. I told you I'm trying to respond
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and you're you're talking over me because you know that I'm
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going to pull it apart and that's what you're trying to
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avoid. So yes, yes you are.
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So stop talking again. Stop talking.
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I'm not going to ask you again. OK, First, your claim that I
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forgot the Holy Spirit and John 17 three is absolutely wrong.
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That's not a Trinity denial, it's role distinction.
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We're talking about role distinction between the Father
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and the Son. Your idiotic laughing doesn't
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change that, right? That verse is Jesus defining
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eternal life in the context of his.
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The Holy Spirit's role is emphasized elsewhere like in
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John 1426, OK, where Jesus says the helper, the Holy Spirit,
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which I know a lot of Muslims try to lie and say it's Muhammad
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which is laughable. Will teach you all things.
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The Trinity doesn't mean every verse must mention all three
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persons at once. Again, huge straw man.
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Now on to John 858. Yes, the Greek is ego I me EGO
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space EIMI. And you tried to play linguistic
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games with it like I told you not to.
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The phrase matches the the Greek Septuagint's translation of
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Exodus chapter 3 verse 14, where God says I am.
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The Jews didn't grab stones because Jesus said, oh, I
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existed before Abraham. They wanted to stone him because
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he used God's divine title claiming equality with Yahweh.
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And anybody who's actually ever studied the ancient Greek
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actually knows that all right, regardless of what you tried to
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do with it, it was it meant absolutely nothing.
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And saying that Satan existed before Abraham too is a cheap
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deflection because Satan didn't say I am, he doesn't give life.
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He doesn't forgive sins and definitely doesn't claim to be
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one with the Father like Jesus does in John chapter 10 verse
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30. So yes Second Corinthians 4/4
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says that Satan is the God of this world lowercase G which
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means no divinity. And that was done on purpose
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because it is a title of corruption and not glory.
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Which either you didn't know or we're hoping that I wasn't going
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to illustrate. So no, Jesus wasn't claiming it
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wasn't just claiming existence. He was claiming pre existence
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and divine identity and the Jews.
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The action proves that they understood him perfectly.
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You're just trying to pretend that they didn't to make your
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point. If you want to call back in and
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talk about this more tomorrow DT you are welcome.
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I will be I will be live later guys.
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I will be live later. I dude, I have to go.
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I have to go. It's already 512.
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I have to go right now. Write down your response and I
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will let you bring it in tomorrow.
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Thank you for being here. I I can't guys, I can't.
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It's already 5:15. I already have to.
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Thank you guys. I appreciate it man.
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I love you brother Brett. I, I'll be on tomorrow night
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around 6:00 PM if you're interested.
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Definitely. All right, thank you guys.
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I appreciate it and thank you guys for watching as always.
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Guys, be safe, be good, be blessed.
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I'll see you guys when. I see you remember that Jesus is
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king and also understand that that is how you destroy Muslim
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lies. Jesus is God, and again, leave
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it in the comment section after the stream is over if you guys
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think that anybody did anything. They all quoted the same verses
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and made one thing abundantly clear, that they're afraid to
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talk about the Quran and that they have no way to actually
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disprove the divinity of Jesus Christ.
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They tried to use the Bible and all they understood was that
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they read things out of context and when given context they
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appealed to subjective understanding with absolutely no
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evidence behind it. You guys be safe man.
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Yeah. The.