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• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Do you ever watch Silence of the Lambs? Yeah, I
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: saw that. What did you think of that? Though not much?
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: A Justice Department investigator calls it terrifying.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: An epidemic.
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  Speaker 3: They're known as serial killers.
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  Speaker 4: There are at least thirty five of them roaming the country. Now.
• 0:23
  Speaker 5: Are serial killers born or made?
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  Speaker 3: There is almost always a pattern to the killings.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: These people normally don't stop.
• 0:33
  Speaker 4: Twenty killings, eight murders, fifteen human bodies, including gree heads preserved,
• 0:38
  Speaker 4: and a refrigerator.
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  Speaker 5: These men brought unspeakable horror into the lives of Americans
• 0:45
  Speaker 5: in the nineteen seventies. Their names still haunt America today.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Serial killer Jeffrey.
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  Speaker 6: Dahmer, son of Sam, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy.
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  Speaker 5: Diabolical, genius, deceptive, manipulative. Many have been next touted, but
• 1:01
  Speaker 5: one of them is still alive.
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  Speaker 7: He had the darkest eyes I have ever seen.
• 1:07
  Speaker 8: He can put on the mask of Bernard Eugenie Giles,
• 1:11
  Speaker 8: but when you take off the mask, a piece the monster.
• 1:16
  Speaker 5: I want to know how these men think and why
• 1:19
  Speaker 5: they killed And now finally a serial killer willing to
• 1:24
  Speaker 5: confess all.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: Are you proud of the label? Serial killer?
• 1:45
  Speaker 5: One summer in the early nineteen seventies, a young couple
• 1:49
  Speaker 5: moved into this trailer park on the east coast of Florida.
• 1:54
  Speaker 5: Bernard Giles was just twenty, his wife was eighteen, and
• 1:59
  Speaker 5: they had a new boy daughter. Neither his family or
• 2:03
  Speaker 5: his new neighbors had any reason to suspect that Giles
• 2:07
  Speaker 5: was harboring a deep compulsion to kill.
• 2:10
  Speaker 7: See the trailer with the carport structure. That's where his
• 2:14
  Speaker 7: trailer was.
• 2:16
  Speaker 9: Sunday afternoon was my laundry day, and it just seemed
• 2:20
  Speaker 9: like I ran into him so much in there. Oh,
• 2:23
  Speaker 9: it's the same. I can't believe that he would be
• 2:27
  Speaker 9: sitting up here just I usually get those down there.
• 2:32
  Speaker 9: He never said a word, he knows, never, and he'd
• 2:34
  Speaker 9: be sitting here and just dangling his legs.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: And just looking.
• 2:40
  Speaker 9: Wonder way he would sit in here, I don't know,
• 2:44
  Speaker 9: because I don't think he ever had any laundry.
• 2:50
  Speaker 5: Bernard Giles has been in prison for forty five years.
• 2:56
  Speaker 5: After a long period of contact, he's finally agreed to
• 3:00
  Speaker 5: meet me. It's Charles, good to see, Thank you, but
• 3:18
  Speaker 5: thank you for giving us the time. Today. You're serving
• 3:23
  Speaker 5: five life sentences for killing five young women.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: So my first question is did you kill those women? Yes?
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: I did. Let's go back to your early life.
• 3:38
  Speaker 5: With most people that commit heinous crimes, so you can
• 3:41
  Speaker 5: normally point to something that doesn't justify, but might go
• 3:46
  Speaker 5: some way to explaining it. The curious thing about your
• 3:50
  Speaker 5: early life is there doesn't seem to be anything there.
• 3:53
  Speaker 5: There was no appalling upbringing. You're one of four kids.
• 3:58
  Speaker 5: You were well taken care of.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: My brothers and sisters have done well.
• 4:03
  Speaker 5: You were loved as a child. Yes, And was the
• 4:09
  Speaker 5: driving force for that compulsion? Was it violence? Was it sexual?
• 4:14
  Speaker 5: It was all sexual.
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  Speaker 1: It was all sexual. And that's the thing is, like
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: people who they become imprinted before they're five or six.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: I knew the roots of mine. I knew where it
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: came from. Where did it come from? The initial sexual
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: imprinting was an act of violence against a girl.
• 4:38
  Speaker 5: You was six years old and you were playing just
• 4:40
  Speaker 5: a game of witch hunt where a girl would pretend
• 4:44
  Speaker 5: to be a witch and he would all chase after.
• 4:46
  Speaker 5: She was a neighbor of yours.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: Right, It was in a back bedroom, and the part
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: that I remember was straddling her and strangling her, right playing,
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: And that was my initial sexual imprint from that point on.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: As a child growing up, I became obsessed with this.
• 5:17
  Speaker 8: The term itself serial killer was not well known back
• 5:22
  Speaker 8: in the nineteen seventies. However, later we started seeing these
• 5:28
  Speaker 8: terms come up and the detective magazines and other kinds
• 5:33
  Speaker 8: of TV shows, but mostly we believed that the serial
• 5:37
  Speaker 8: killers happened somewhere else.
• 5:41
  Speaker 5: Donna Giles was one of Florida's first serial killers. He
• 5:45
  Speaker 5: terrorized an entire community in just twelve weeks, he murdered
• 5:50
  Speaker 5: five women. Two of the bodies were found just yards
• 5:57
  Speaker 5: from his trailer where he lived with his wife child.
• 6:02
  Speaker 5: Bob Telfer was a young state's attorney at the time
• 6:06
  Speaker 5: he discovered their remains. It stayed with him ever since. So, Bob,
• 6:12
  Speaker 5: when you found these two bodies within two days, it
• 6:16
  Speaker 5: must have sent a shutter through everybody.
• 6:19
  Speaker 4: Well back then, and of course it was a different
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: time and a different place, and girls were hitchhiking. It
• 6:25
  Speaker 4: was a common occurrence to see that up and down
• 6:27
  Speaker 4: the road, particularly a small community like this. All that
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: stopped overnight. There was a shutter that went through the community.
• 6:37
  Speaker 4: There was publicity about this. The hitchhiking stopped, and people
• 6:41
  Speaker 4: started looking over their shoulder.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: What this man did Bonna Giles, to these young women.
• 6:47
  Speaker 4: It was just a polling, it was, And you know,
• 6:51
  Speaker 4: it's every parent's nightmare. To realize that that the last
• 6:54
  Speaker 4: few moments of her life were terror filled with a
• 6:57
  Speaker 4: psychopath and she was going to die at a young
• 7:01
  Speaker 4: age just makes it even worse.
• 7:08
  Speaker 5: Throughout his childhood, there were no outward signs that Bernard
• 7:12
  Speaker 5: Giles was deeply troubled, but into his teens he was
• 7:18
  Speaker 5: failing at school and dropped out. And then one day
• 7:23
  Speaker 5: his obsession took over when he was sixteen, and there
• 7:28
  Speaker 5: was a young woman walking in front of you and
• 7:31
  Speaker 5: you suddenly felt an urged to kill her.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: Tell me about that. It was like an opportunity that
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: had presented itself to me. And this woman was getting
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: in w VW and I had a knife and I
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: went past the car and fortunately I kept going. I
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: just kept going. What were you feeling in that moment?
• 7:57
  Speaker 5: Extraordinarily hyped and what were you thinking you may do
• 8:01
  Speaker 5: to that woman?
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: Well, if it had gone the other way, out of murdered.
• 8:08
  Speaker 5: At the age of sixteen, Yes, sir, And it's a
• 8:13
  Speaker 5: chilling thing to hear. This is not I'm sure you
• 8:17
  Speaker 5: recognize this. This is not a normal Oh, I understand
• 8:20
  Speaker 5: that none of this feels normal, sir. You're sixteen years
• 8:24
  Speaker 5: old and you have just this extraordinary compulsion to kill
• 8:28
  Speaker 5: this woman.
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, but it passed you moved on, Yes, sir,
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: what is this wasn't overwhelming? It didn't you know? Idea
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: was just and I didn't. I just kept moving.
• 8:41
  Speaker 5: And if you hadn't kept moving, that woman wouldn't have
• 8:44
  Speaker 5: been murdered, and she would have no idea to this day,
• 8:48
  Speaker 5: I imagine.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: No, she didn't even she never even glanced back at me.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: You wished you had killed her? No, I don't. I'm
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: glad that I didn't. I wish I hadn't killed any
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: of my big You know, were you.
• 9:02
  Speaker 5: In any doubt at that stage that one day it
• 9:06
  Speaker 5: would happen.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: No, no doubt at all. You knews for something you
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: had to do, Yes, sir, it was for me. This
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: was my life's passion up to that point, to do what,
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: to murder, to murder women. I mean, there'll be viewers
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: watching this going.
• 9:40
  Speaker 5: This guy was apparently normal, late teenage guy. He's got married,
• 9:48
  Speaker 5: he's got a little baby girl. Life seems fine. And
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: yet ticking away? Is this this horrific time bomb?
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: And that's very frequently been the case that you have
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: people that they present as perfectly normal.
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: You know, you're looking for these sort of trigger points.
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: Where is that trigger that what happens? And it may
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: very well have been the stresses he felt in being married,
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: being you know, a nineteen twenty year old guy with
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: a child, and really you can see him here, he's
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: not really equipped to be dealing with marriage, let alone
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: a baby. This probably caused a tremendous amount of stress
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: for him, and I'm not surprised that these killings started
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: really within a month or two after the birth of
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: his child.
• 10:54
  Speaker 5: In October nineteen seventy three, Bernard Giles drove out of
• 10:58
  Speaker 5: this trailer park to this highway his intention to hunt
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: down and kill his first victim. He was looking for hitchhikers,
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: unsuspecting girls who back then never imagined and accepting a
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: lift from a stranger would get them killed.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: That day that.
• 11:19
  Speaker 5: You went out when you did kill for the first time,
• 11:22
  Speaker 5: was that the morning when you woke up and you
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: were with your wife and daughter and you just something
• 11:27
  Speaker 5: hit you and you went no.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: Today, maybe the day every day maybe the day, every day,
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: every day, maybe the day. Do you know the name
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: of your first victim? No, sir, not Now are you Jerry? Nancy? Jerry?
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: Do you know anything about her life? I found out
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: later she was a singer in a bar. That was it.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Tell me what happened. We picked her up in Tidysville.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: There's a wooded area and I pulled off the road.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: What did she look like, a little shorter than me,
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: fairly well built, pretty but not particularly pretty, brown hair.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: It's about it. And at what point did she realized
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: that you were kind of harmer? Well? It not necessarily
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: I was gonna harm her, because you know, most of
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: them don't assume you're gonna you're actually gonna to kill them.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: Most of them assume it's a rape or something like that,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: or a robbery or whatever. You know. And had you
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: been talking normally to that, Yeah, but there wasn't much
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: to the conversation. The weapon speaks for itself. And what
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: did you then do? I told her to get out
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: of the car, and that's when she became afraid him.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Up to that point, I assumed that she thought it
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: was just going to be a rape. I walked over
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: in front of a tree and then I shower just
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: like that, Yes, sir, And what were you feeling as
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: you did that? Very stimulated, very provoked, very I mean,
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: the thing is is, you know what is your passion
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: in your life? You know what is the thing that
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: you like to do more than anything else, and you're
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: doing it. You are so there that you can almost
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: it's like you can see the atoms vibrating. I mean,
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: it's just it's difficult to describe.
• 14:07
  Speaker 10: Jazz is relatively unusual in that he started his age
• 14:11
  Speaker 10: of onset for the serial killing was age twenty. He's
• 14:14
  Speaker 10: unusual because he did a spate of five killings within
• 14:16
  Speaker 10: three months with almost no cooling off period.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: That's highly unusual.
• 14:21
  Speaker 10: Usually, mid twenties is the advent of the first acting
• 14:24
  Speaker 10: out on the fantasy, there's a long cooling off period
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  Speaker 10: of at least a month before the second one. He
• 14:30
  Speaker 10: was acting almost in a frenzy. He was too young
• 14:33
  Speaker 10: and too immature to put enough thought into his crimes
• 14:36
  Speaker 10: to get away with them. There was no way it
• 14:37
  Speaker 10: was sustainable, so it was almost like a childish urge
• 14:41
  Speaker 10: to get as much fun crammed into a short space
• 14:44
  Speaker 10: of time as possible. Before he got caught, because inside
• 14:48
  Speaker 10: he knew he would eventually get caught.
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: Once Bernard Giles started killing, attempt to hide the bodies
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: of his victims, their discovery was now making daily news headlines. Titusville,
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: a city where a million visitors had come just four
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: years before to watch Neil Armstrong blast after the moon,
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: was now the focus of a desperate manhunt to find
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: the killer.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Ladies, you were all young women.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: You were all in your early twenties at the time
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: that this all happened. Take me back to life in
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: the area at the time.
• 15:37
  Speaker 11: Well, this was a sleepy little town rights from the Space.
• 15:40
  Speaker 9: Center exactly, and it was everyone wanted to come here
• 15:44
  Speaker 9: because of the Space Center, the launches and everything.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: But where we.
• 15:48
  Speaker 9: Lived in mobile manner, it was a really nice area.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: The moment you realized that Bernard Giles, he was this
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: guy that lived in that trailer opposite you, what impact
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: did that have on you?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Guys?
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: I was stunned and I was like, what, Look how
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: close this guy was to me. I could have been
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: one of his victims.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: What was your criteria for a victim? Access to any woman? Yes, sir,
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: did it matter how old they were or what they.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Looked like or generally speaking, now.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: That could literally have been any woman that happened to
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: stray into your orbit. Yes, when you were cruising in
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: your car and they were thumbing your left Yes, sir,
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: I mean that made you at the time an unbelievably
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: dangerous man for any young woman.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, see I'm not I'm not defending the position.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I'm describing the position what I was and where I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: was at.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Were you aware that there was now a hunt for
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: what police began to realize was a serial killer.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Not really, until you know, I had known that they
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: had found a body that was Paula's body. Yes, sir, probably,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Paula Hamrick was a single mother of two heading to
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: work one day when Bernard Giles stopped to offer her
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: a lift. Her body was found here. She was his
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: oldest victim at just twenty two. Her two boys, Stephen
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: and Billy, were just toddlers at the time.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: He knew she had kids, but I'm sure she pleaded
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: for a life and top and that she had two babies.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And like I said that, answering my question, you obviously
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: didn't care because he killed her. Anyways, I think it
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: was about.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Twelve years old.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: He went to my mother's gravesite.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: The first victim.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: You remember the name, But do you remember the names
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: of any of the victims.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: None at all. They meant nothing to you. Why would
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I do that? Why would someone embrace the names? Excuse me? However,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they were victims? I saw these women as objects.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: This woman, Paula Hamrick, was a mom of two young
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: kids who've never known the mother. You know, she'd thought
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: to humanize herself to you. She might still be alive,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: but she didn't say you killed her, Yes, sir, sus
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Carolyn for a young Yes, sir.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Do you remember these faces as I show you them? No, sir, Truthfully,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I don't fourteen this girl, as was this one? Fourteen
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: do you remember, no, sir, If you don't really remember
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: any of these girls by face, no, sir. Some women
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: actually saved their lives by engaging me in conversations. How
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: many three I can think of? Right off? I actually
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: went to the home of one the uh I got
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: in a conversation about smoking marijuana. She rolled up a
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: few joints. We drove around the neighborhood and smoked one,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and I let her off at her house and what
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: were you thinking you may do to that woman? Well,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: if it had gone the other way, out of murdered he.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: For a guy like this, really, what's important for him
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: is what he wants, and what he wants he's going
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to get. I want to kill these women and I
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: want to have sex with them, and when I'm done,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to leave him right there in the
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: dirt because I don't really care about them. And then
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to my wife and they
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: won't know any difference. I won't have any change in emotion.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: What I'd struggle with with you.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: You kill five women, but all the time you're going
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: back to your marital home. Yes, with Leslie, your wife,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: and your daughter Heather. So how are you functioning in
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: normal married life in this extraordinary twelve thirteen week period?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Badly? What do you mean? I don't know. It was
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: just as is, things taking me over. I'm kind of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: disintegrating as a person. The me and my wife are
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: fighting all the time. I'm out. It's it's obsessions take
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you over. Did you get any urge to kill your wife? No? Never? No?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Why not? She was there, she was a woman, I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: knew her. Yeah, I've never killed anybody I knew. Is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that thing about objectification of the victim? For me, that
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: was an important element. Do you remember doing that? No, sir,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: it was forty five years since you have were be
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: seen that I see, so just morting. This is a
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: little strange for me because I recognize elements in my
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: own style, and yet I can't remember doing these. Honestly,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you definitely did it. That's strange for real.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I mean that one there for example, Yes, when you
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: look at it, notwithstanding the fact you can't remember very well,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: but it's a very macabre image.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, down a young woman.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: You have a sort of devil like figure at the
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: top there, skeleton.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: That's not a woman, that's not no, or is that you?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You had long hair at the time.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I had long hair at the times. That could have
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: been you. In fact, it could have been me.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: It's got needles, it's got snakes, it's got skeletons.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: You know. It's a very much hard, not a happy scene,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: right right.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Giles drew these pictures at a time of the murders.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: But had there been any early warning signs that might
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: have alerted people to what was coming.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: You were at school with him. You hung out with
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: him every day.
• 23:44
  Speaker 12: You saw this guy and junior high school sixty five
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: sixty six, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, we hear this a lot, don't we. With
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: people that do heenus crimes. Often friends will come out
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: and say, oh, he was such a nice guy.
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: But you mean it, I mean you, I mean it sincerely.
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: It was just a sweet, young, artistic, gifted, nice guy.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: When did you lost see him?
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: It was probably and I believed that he might have
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: already been killing people. Then it was on the river.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Did he seem different to you? Yes? In what way?
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: He was very intensely working on a drawing, and it
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: was pretty dark. I'd looked over and I saw a
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: tree and some roots, But in the roots of the
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: tree was a female body being engulfed in the tree.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: In any of the psyche reports, all of them describe
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: him as sane. All of them describe him as in
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: charge of his faculties. He's not psychotic, and he's not
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: mentally ill. He's in touch with reality. He clearly understands
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: this concept of right and wrong. And we know he
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: understands it because he made a conscious effort to take
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: these women to a remote location where he wouldn't be
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: discovered and kill them. If you didn't understand the concept,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: he probably would have just picked him up and then
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: killed Lebron on the street in front of everybody. He
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: chooses to do wrong because that's what he wants to do.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: It seems that Giles was able to hide his true
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: nature from everyone that knew him, including his new wife, Leslie.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: They'd been married for barely a year when the killings began.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Let me just take you back to just before you
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: first killed. You meet a woman, you fall in love,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: You get married. A name is Leslie.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, tell me about her. Good woman, good woman. First
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: time I ever saw my wife, she was a friend
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of my sisters. She had just made friends with my
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: sister and they passed through the living room. I was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: sitting there watching television, and when I saw Leslie, I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: knew I was going to marry her. You know, there
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: have been numerous instances in my life where it's just
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I know something I just remembered that. You know, that's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the one right there. Do you remember how you proposed
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to her over the phone? That was it? Yeah? Not
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: very romantic A young young man. You married this beautiful
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: young woman family there. It seems normal. Yeah. Did he
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: feel normal to you.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: That day when you got married, Yes, sir, but you
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: would have sex with your wife. You had a normal
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: married life in that respect, Yes, sir.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Did you feel like you loved her? Yes, but truthfully
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't. You know, I did love her, but you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I was completely assessed with this other thing, and I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: didn't really realize how much I did love my wife
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: until like the last time I ever saw her through
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: you know, half inch bulletproof glass.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: During the killings, his wife was at home caring for
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: that baby daughter. Giles would leave the trailer each day
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: to train as an electrician. Bots in the afternoons, he
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: would cruise the highways looking for hitchhikers. The police still
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: had no suspects and no leads.
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: There was a fear factor and as a result, people
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: were locking their doors, and people were trying to gather
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: more information from the newspapers and from television, which carried
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: very little, but they were following it very closely, but
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: they were still afraid. What's even more scary is it
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: wasn't somebody traveling through because victims were localized. There had
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: to be someone responsible from within, So who could it be?
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: And normally when we'd have any kind of a murder
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: or something, within twenty four hours, they had a suspect,
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: they knew who they were going after, and pretty much
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: were right. And I remember and a lot of times
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: during that period it got to where I was working
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: like seven days a week and it was driving them
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: crazy that it was taking so long to figure this
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: one out.
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: When I would be on my lunch break or go
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: home from work, I would see some young girls hitchhiking.
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: Knowing there's already been two or three murdered, I would
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: just pull over a roll down my window and say, hey,
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: don't you girls know what's going on.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: The killings have begun in October of nineteen seventy three.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: By December, three bodies have been found, and then the
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: police discovered the remains of Sharon Wyman. She was just
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: fourteen years old. But what is baffling about this murder
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: is where he killed her. Well, what strikes me about
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: this location is we're so near to the trailer park
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: where Bernard Giles lived with his own young family, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: the body was so easily discoverable. This is a very
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: brazen serial killer. He's almost like crying out to be caught.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: In a way, yes, but in another way, you get
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: hunters back in here and everything too, so that the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: sound of a gunshot wouldn't necessarily tell everybody around that
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: something unusual like that is going on. What we discovered
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: was that there was jewelry there, a necklace in maybe
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: a bracelet.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Quite identifiable jewelry.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: We strongly suspected the police did that this was Sharon Limer.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: And we left and at the residence were siblings plus
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: her mother, and we showed them the jewelry and very
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: very sad. I mean, the kids are crying. Mom's on
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: the couch in denial. No, it can't be that. It
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: can't be that, and the kids are saying.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: No, Mom, it is.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: It is. And that's how we got the identification. That
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff sticks with you through the years.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, two of your victims you took back to
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: within a few hundred yards of where you lived.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: What was your thinking in doing that? I wasn't thinking.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: There is no logical reason for having done that. It's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: quite a high risk thing to do, I guess, yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't doing my best thinking at that point
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: in time, you didn't really care. Well. They have an
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: expression here basically off the chain. I was like, I say,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I wasn't doing my best.
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: Thinking after each killing, that need to feel that again
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: is there, and it's urgent, but it's even bigger. We
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: see this with so many serial killers. With each one,
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: they have to come up with some new angle to
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: make it more violent, more horrific, more hands on, more personal,
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: make the victim younger, make the victim beg. They have
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: to try some new angle to keep that thrill alive.
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: But of course this isn't sustainable. At some point or another,
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: they either get caught or they become so phrenetic that
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: they have no choice but to screw up and police
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: find them.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: And that is exactly what happened with Bernett Giles. Twelve
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: weeks after the murders began. He made a crucial mistake
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: along this isolated road when you were finally caught. You
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: tried to pick up two girls at the same time. Yes,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: but it feels like it was an escalation.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: That's exactly it. I was getting worse.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: That's where you made your big mistake, because they got away.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: How did they get away? I mean you had a gun.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: The gun was fired. I had hit one of them
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: with a gun and it discharged. It jammed inside the gun,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and that was when they ran off. That's when they
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: ran off.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: They got away having seen a form in your car
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: which had your name on a book.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: They saw a book that had a name in it,
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: and the name was Bernard Giles. I checked files and
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: it gave his address.
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: Inspector de Weed come in and he says, you got
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: to listen to me. Listen to me, good, keep your
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: doors locked. Do not answer it. He says, we're going
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: to make an arrest in these murders. I said here,
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: He said, yes.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I was shaking.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: We could have been the next victim.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Did you punt me? Basically, I didn't know that they
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: had actually had my name. So about the time that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I get home, the police are setting up, you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and they got me.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: I wasn't the only one who peeked out our door
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: to see him when they brought him in.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: To the ear area.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: And he was evil. He was Satan personified.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: When you were caught, was it a relief? No, No,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a relief. Were you angry because it meant
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't been to kill again. No, I wasn't angry.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Life got very complicated. How did your wife react to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you being arrested? Well, at first she wanted to to
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: stay with me, but you know, I basically understood that,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I was I was over, I was done
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: with But did she ask if it was true? Yes, sir,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And the first time she asked me, I lied to her.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: She knew I had problems, but this psycho lot, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: she just didn't know how deep it was. You know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she must have suspected I mean, not that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I had done that, but after I'd gotten arrested that Yeah, okay,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that's him.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: We've been talking now for over an hour, but I
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: was yet to see any real sign of emotion from
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Bernard Giles. So I wonder how will he react when
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I show him a picture of the daughter he hasn't
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: seen in forty five years. You seem when it comes
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: to real emotions. Yeah, pretty cold, I mean yeah, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: get that a lot. When was the last time you
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: cried about anything?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Brave Art? I saw the movie Brave Art when nineteen
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: ninety eight, ninety nine, some lace long in there, twenty
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: years ago. It's been a while And why did that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: make you cry? Hollywood presents this, you know, really Christine,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: picture of a human being what you sort of wish
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you could be. You know, there's this perfect human being.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And I was basically crying because I was mourning my life.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Bernard Giles was just twenty when he was caught. He
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: avoided a death penalty by agreeing to confess to all
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: five murders, but he will die in prison. Soon after
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: the killings, his wife and daughter left the trailer park
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: and moved out of the state. He would never see
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: them again.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: You lost a wife, he lost lost everything. You lost everything? Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: what was it worth it?
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: This?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I mean? No, of course not. And do you know
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: what happened to your daughter? Where did you ever heard
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: from her? No? No? How does that make you feel?
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: What can you do with that? We had a we
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: had a picture that there, yeap. What do you feel
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: when you see your daughter? I don't know exactly.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: When you look at your own daughter, that age, smiling, innocent, happy?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: What do you feel about the the young woman you killed?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I don't put those together. I mean, what would you
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: feel about a man.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Who snatched your daughter and terrorized and raped and killed her?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I totally would appreciate it. That's it, that's how you feel.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I certainly wouldn't appreciate it. You've never
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: apologized to? Who do you think you should apologize to?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. I assume that to
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the families is the victims? I think.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, it should be incumbent on you, as the
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: perpetrator of the crime, to work out who you think
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: you maybe should apologize to. I mean, you kill I
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: are at a mission these five young women.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Who do you think you are an apology to? If
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I were going to apologize to anybody, would be the families?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Have you ever done that? I don't feel I have
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the right. How do I How do you you know
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: when you get a letter in the mail from the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: person who killed your daughter? Right, Hey, I'm sorry.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: They may well be watching this, those families. I mean,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: if you look at that camera, if they are watching, what,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: what would you say to them?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what to say, truthfully, we don't
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: say the most say it to them? What do you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: What do you say to somebody that you've murdered a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: member of their family? I don't know.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: It isn't the very least you could say, is I'm sorry.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Isn't that the very least you could do. It's just
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: to actually, of course.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Of course, i'm sorry. The fact that we're having this
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: conversation in this way, Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Here's an opportunity for you to speak to the families
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: of these victims.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: What would you say?
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Wow? What's your response? He doesn't say anything. He just
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: says what can I say? You know, I could say
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, which isn't even saying I'm sorry. He's basically
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: saying that's what I could say. But what does it mean?
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: The question is what can you say to the victims' families?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: In other words, make a connection here, give us a
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: small piece of your soul to the victims family. He
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: couldn't do it, because I don't think that he even
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: has that capacity.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: Titusville lost its innocence to the acts of but we
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: called him Bernard Eugene Giles we always use the three names.
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: Started looking at everyone in a suspicious manner, and we
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: started locking our doors.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: This guy lived in our area, had been schooled in
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: our area, and he did such a horrible thing, not once,
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: but many times from then on. Yes, I knew what
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: a serial killer.
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: Was I'd probably like to sit down and talk to him,
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: you know, and see.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Where'd you go?
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: Why'd you do this?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And he says it was just a compulsion that he
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: had to kill. Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Wow, When you finish you with me, and I'll go
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: back to my normal life, and I you know, I'll
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: when I go back to my hotel room this atenoon,
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: I'll feel quite unsettled by this encounter when you go
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: back to your cell later, having talked about all this
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: today with me, will you have any feelings about it?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Really? Probably? And what are they likely to be? I? Truthfully,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I have a great deal of respect for you, and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it unsettles me just a little bit. Does your house
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: as you are monstrous vial of me? I have a
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: complicated view because to me now I didn't know what
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you'd done.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: When we had a regular conversation about stuff going on
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: in the news, I would imagine we'd have a perfectly normal,
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: rational course and probably quite interesting conversation. But it's very
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: very hard to get past what I know that you
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: did to these girls. I understand it's very hard. I
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: understand not to feel as that sense of just utter revulsion.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, and I understand that I understand all of that. Well,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: thank you for the interview. Thank you, sir, well.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: That was one of the most extraordinary encounters I've probably
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: ever had with anybody, because on one level, he's obviously
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: self aware about what he did, because he's just prepared
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: to admit everything. What he can't do is what I
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: suspect the families of these victims really want him to do,
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: and that's explaining in a way that could bring any
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: kind of closure to them. I just feel in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: end that their loved ones, these poor girls were just
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: in the wrong place at the wrong time and met
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: an unbelievably dangerous person.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And it's as simple as that, and it's heartbreaking as that.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: M