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Turning Private Conversations into Brain Surgery - EP015 · Freedom Flip

• 0:00
  We're psychopaths because we love going into people's brains and doing brain surgery. We love to go into how people think. They understand that they are coming to the hospital to do brain surgery on themselves. We are just there to help. They've got to be vulnerable and open. And by vulnerable and open, I mean if they're walling off a bunch of areas,
• 0:18
  It doesn't work. The I don't know or I am not sure, which is basically a way of avoiding a question. That is a habit that we want to remove. I don't want to talk about that. To me, that is more like why you don't want to talk about that. I'm just going to drill the out of there. Unless we talk about that, this is not going to work. Primary reason to do it is to create complete alignment and clarity with the person joining. Our most important thing is you show up vulnerable, honest, no walls on certain topics.
• 0:43
  What are guys too scared to talk about? How they're getting beat up by their wives and their job and their business and their boss and how do you reformat the whole system? Are most gonna be too scared to talk about it? Yes. Are there gonna be some that are gonna be willing to share the light and shine the light on darkness? Yes. When I'm just really honest and I'm like, dude, my wife didn't wanna have sex four months before and then three months after. I just kind of had to lay it out and I was like, okay, it's been seven months, this is tearing me apart. And when I say it, you see these guys like, I wanna have that conversation. The things no one wants to talk about are the things everyone should be talking about.
• 1:12
  Do I fear death? No. Do I want to be a light and shine light on darkness? Yes. What would be the flip side? The ripples it can make on people's lives. By hearing and seeing a mirror of what they're feeling and a way out. We had 45 to 50 people on our call. Three to five reached out and said, I need more. These are the most successful people struggling that much in this area. It's like, okay, there's a need, clearly. Making an impact on people who I will never meet, see, talk to, think about excites me. Your body and mind need to be sore and used.
• 1:40
  We need to be serving others. I don't ever want to be in like, dit, dit, dit, dit, dit, dit, dit. What is that? Dit, dit, dit, dit.
• 1:50
  The day-to-day operations of like, we're going to do. I have the most fun doing it with you. And I mean that not in a way of, now I think I'm going to flip it back to you, which is, dude, in a year, year and a half, whatever, you're going to be on this journey. And like, you've already seen the light, right? And I'm not saying that everything we do is right. There's going to be things you're like, you know what? Hey, Peter, you didn't do this. Do this. Do this. I'm like, great idea. But we're on the same journey, even if you don't have the kid yet.
• 2:15
  And I think part of it to me is this might be part of our, a twist for us to think about, which is like, you've spent 20 days. Think about it. You have spent more days seeing a system that, quote, works. Your life. Right? My life. But you have more days than...
• 2:32
  99% of families, if we're right about how most families are operating, right? I think that's one thought I have is you're already a light bearer, right? A truth seeker that's found a truth form of truth. I've read 1020 books, and I've kind of created a system based on on these books. I'm not saying I'm smart.
• 2:47
  I've done the inner work to help get there, yada, yada, yada. But you're already on that journey as well. Even if you haven't read the exact book of Hunt, Gather, Parent, you understand, hey, what have we done for 5,000 years, right? Okay, this makes sense, right? Now, I may have needed to read it. You may learn it better by watching, right? I hear theory, then I test it. I create a practice. You see the practice and you're able to understand a theory or talk about a theory. Both are great. Yeah. But what are you saying with that? I think my comment would be, we get scared of change. And you may be worried about people being like,
• 3:15
  Pablo, you don't even have a kid. What are you saying? But it's like, we're going to snap our fingers. You're going to have a kid. And you're already more knowledgeable in this area than 99% of parents, even without a kid. I agree with that. I think that a lot has to do with what you mentioned about doing the inner work and being a truth seeker and already seeing a path that I want that for me was totally hidden before you invited me to your house the first time in May.
• 3:40
  But what I'm trying to understand is yes, but what are you saying with that? Here's what I'm saying. I have more fun imagining doing it with you. And if it's ever something where you're like, you know what, Peter, I don't like this anymore, or I'm not interested in this, or I'm like, I'm not interested. To me, it's another aspect. It clicked when you said this. It's just inviting them to the hospital.
• 3:57
  Oh, I see what you're saying. Meaning you having the conversations with these people that ask you to here, right here. Got it. Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. This all clicked when you said invite them to the hospital. And I was like, okay, that my energy goes boom. When you're like, hey, Peter, get on the podcast with some mom, like maybe. But it's like, okay, she has a hundred thousand followers. And she's gonna be like, how do you not yell? Because I yell.
• 4:23
  Dude, I think that that is great. You just destroy the out of her. Like, amazing. It's like, you are like, go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Boom! But even if that's the case, Pablo, I think us doing hospital with some parents and just putting some of those out among other hospital visits. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, that opens up because then I can say like, hey, it's kind of like Anastasia, right? Hey, we've done 30 interviews with guys or families talking about their situation. Yeah.
• 4:52
  And this is kind of cool, right? Like zoom out. What are guys too scared to talk about? How they're getting beat up by their wives and their job and their business and their boss. And how do you reformat the whole system? And it's like, are most going to be too scared to talk about it? Yes. Are there going to be some that are going to be willing to share the light and shine the light on darkness? Yes. And will that resonate with everyone? I can't tell you like when I'm just really honest and I'm like, dude, you know, my wife didn't want to have, you know, intercourse, didn't want to have sex for four months before her pregnancy. Intercourse. What are you a doctor? What are you talking about?
• 5:22
  I'm going to start using it more often just to get you going. My wife didn't want to have sex four months before and then three months after. And I kind of had to lay it out. And I was like, okay, it's been seven months. This is tearing me apart. And when I say it, you see these guys like, I had that easy conversation. That's my life. Yes, this is me. I heard a quote I love. It's the things no one wants to talk about are the things everyone should be talking about.
• 5:42
  And this topic of how you run your house, how you live with your spouse, look at that, it even rhymes, how you run your house, how you live with your spouse, right? These are really vitally important. Coming back to some people who may have not been, you know, murdered and whole truth seekers and talking. It's like, this is the whole movement of, hey, let's come back to fundamentals. Let's talk about truth and fundamentals in a way that makes sense. Because, and this is on a deep level, I was thinking about this morning, like there's an attack on the family.
• 6:09
  There's an attack on how do you raise, should you raise a family? Is that a good thing to do for society? Think of the arguments against it. No, you shouldn't because there's too many people or it's bad for environment or that's selfish to have kids. These are all attacks. Hey, being married in a normal relationship is not good because you should be free to be X, Y, and Z, blah, blah, blah. These are all attacks on people who want to live in
• 6:31
  you know, a traditional family. It's like, wait a minute, there's beauty in that. And I don't care if someone wants to go their own journey. Great, go for it. But attacking a more traditional approach, that I have issue with, right? Just like I don't want to attack someone for choosing their own route. Cool. You want to do your own route? Go for it. I don't think that there is an explicit attack. I think there is a subliminal attack.
• 6:49
  Correct. It's not a, having a family is a bad thing, don't have kids. Even though, yeah, of course there is a couple of stupid people, but that doesn't matter. I think that is just a very subliminal way of doing this. But also you have, because I've seen this in different countries, you have the problem with the money, which now two parents need to work. And even though they may have some money, they're like, oh, having a kid is very expensive. I'm just going to stop at one or stop at two.
• 7:16
  I think that many people stop at two because they don't want a single kid, right? Like, how do you call this in English? Like a kid. Only child. An only child. They don't want an only child. So therefore, they want somebody else, but then they stop at two because it's too expensive or whatever. And you said it in a beautiful way, and I couldn't write it properly, I think. How you run your house and how you live with your spouse.
• 7:36
  How you live with your spouse. Okay, so we can talk about that in a second. But then you said the things that nobody wants to talk about, but everyone needs to talk about. Are the things everyone should talk about. Or are the things everyone needs to talk about. Like on a deep level, Pablo, think about it. All these people are so anxious. Part of it to me is if you flip it and you go to the end. Well, why are they anxious? Well, there's fear of the afterlife. What happens when I die?
• 8:00
  That's not connected to what we're saying right now, but it's another example of no one wants to talk about this. And that's why I get so excited by, I think I told you guys my acronym, I try and remember of R is why do you rise in the morning? O is do you want to be obscure or famous? B is what happens when you're buried? And P is, it's basically these deep questions that no one wants to talk about. It makes them uncomfortable or it's weird. It causes anxiety. What are the questions again? It's probe. Everyone like probe into the brain, like go poke in their brain.
• 8:29
  Yeah. And then the P is pain or pleasure. But you say people don't want to talk about that? They're just so much deeper. Like, hey, Pablo, nice to meet you. I'm Peter. How do you feel about pain or pleasure? Okay, there's a question, right? Well, I like pleasure. Or like Aaron, right? He's like, I want pain all the time, right?
• 8:46
  Pain or pleasure. R is why do you rise? Like why do you get out of bed? What gets you out of bed in the morning? What's your motivation? What are you excited about in terms of living? Why do you get out of the comfortable place that you're sleeping? O is would you rather be obscure or famous? And B is what happens when you're buried? And then the E is everyone. So it's probe everyone, like probe into the brain.
• 9:07
  Probe everyone, everyone you meet. If I ask those, what, four questions, you get really quickly to like the core principles and values of how this person sees the world and how they operate. Because it's proxies for so much, it represents so much of the software of how you see the world or what you're thinking.
• 9:24
  I think we're very unique in that unique psychopaths, whatever you want to call it. We love to go into how people think because I think it's a mirror into how we think and we feel the growth by understanding. And most of the time, you just see walls, right? They've created these four walls and they're just like, boom, boom, boom, boom. And by like bringing the walls out, you know, maybe it just gets to here. Maybe it gets to here. You know, that is something enjoyable.
• 9:48
  Whether that's on the financial wealth approach, whether that's on how you run the house with your spouse, you know, these are all it's the same thing. And I also think the only way we're going to really enjoy this over a long period is keeping our own structure loose of like, hey, here's three calls with dads that are just underwater. Here's three calls with some guy that's worried about their finances after whatever, selling a business or, you know, just trying to think about how to go create a business, you know, they're earlier in their career.
• 10:16
  They understand that they are coming to the hospital to do brain surgery on themselves. We are just there to help. But brain surgery is happening. What we don't want is, I'm sure that you dealt with this in your early life, which is you're speaking with people and then you are wasting so much energy trying to convince everyone. They don't want to go to the hospital. And you're like, no, no, but do this surgery right now. And you're like, no, dude, I don't want to go in the hospital. So I want people that want to come into the hospital.
• 10:45
  Totally. Now, I think there's two really key things to me. One is you've already identified which you get the best flip ever. Hey, every time you say, I don't know, it's five bucks. Now, you can take time to answer it. You can think about it for 10 seconds and we can cut the pause out. That's one rule. The only other rule I have is. You should do 10 bucks. 10 bucks and it doubles on the next one because five is too little for this people. Donate to whatever charity you want. You choose the charity. If you don't choose a charity, it's high school hustle. There we go. Second rule to me is they've got to be vulnerable and open.
• 11:14
  And by vulnerable and open, I mean, if they're walling off a bunch of areas, it doesn't work. Now, one thing I think we could do is we could do some funny, if they're really intimidated about being public, we just put some emoji over their face or something to obscure their identity. But I'd rather have an obscured identity and not their real face than have someone who's putting up walls and giving us BS to try and not piss off their family, their wife, their boss, their someone.
• 11:39
  I think they have to be the decider, right? They can... You get to approve. You get to decide. The idea is to use this not only for your own benefit, but there might be so many people like you that will also benefit. So that is the main idea. So don't worry about anything. Just be yourself and nothing is going to get published without your approval.
• 12:00
  I think the way to come back is they get two choices. Your identity is completely public. It's your face. It's whatever. And we can snip, you know, one or two sections, right? Something very small. Or if you're not comfortable, we obscure your identity with the emoji and the voice in a way that you feel confident. But really, that's the choice. You either kind of are comfortable just owning it and being like, this is my problem. This is who I am.
• 12:20
  Or you're not. And Esther Perel, have you heard of her? She's a relationship coach. She does these and they're wildly popular. And it's a marriage counseling session. But you don't know their names. You only know what city they live in. And you hear their voices. But you don't see their pictures and you don't get their names. It goes really raw. I would prefer just to keep it very open. Meaning like you get to decide. I would prefer that it's like that. Rather than decide right now one or the other one.
• 12:47
  I'm saying at the end, they then decide. They get to know if I'm scared, I can hide the entire conversation of who I am by masking anytime I use my name, my company, you know, and my face. It's masks. What I'm saying is I don't want them to come through and be like, well, minutes one through five, minutes, you know, 15 through 20. We're going to bleep anything you want. And I don't see the problem that you are seeing. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 13:10
  I think what I can tell you is intuitively, if people don't, they're going to go like this. Well, we're going to be like, hey, stop. Stop for one second. One second. Let's just have a conversation. We are seeing that you are getting guarded. What's the problem? Oh, my problem is that maybe my wife has like got it. OK, listen, we can totally obscure identity. Change your voice. And also don't worry.
• 13:32
  And we're saying the same fact. What I think that it could be maybe not very beneficial is what I'm understanding that you want to do is to ask them to say whatever before we even start. It's like, okay, you have to tell me right now. Do you want to obscure? That's a misunderstanding. I'm saying we just tell them before everything can be obscured. You're making the decision afterwards, but we want you to be as comfortable as possible during it. That's, I think we're saying the same thing. I'm not saying before. I'm saying it's after everything.
• 14:00
  They can obscure. Now, the one tweak I'm saying to what you're commenting is, it's really an obscure everything with your face and the bleep of the company or leave it completely open. What I wouldn't want is them taking out chunks that are really valuable because of fear, because that's somewhere in the middle.
• 14:15
  The way that I see that is imagine that they are doing that. Ideally, what is the best? Their face, nothing is bleeped. That would be ideal. Now, I understand they may want to bleep a couple of things. I don't know. Whatever they are sharing. Oh, I sold my business for $100 million. Maybe they want to bleep $100 million. Maybe they want to bleep their last name. I don't know.
• 14:33
  We'll get into it. I think we're like... My point is that if they become assholes, it's like, hey, listen, do you remember that we spoke and this is a great talk? I mean, you changed your life. This is incredible. What's the fear? What's going on? Oh, I just don't want this. Okay, why don't we just obscure the whole thing so that way we can run rather than cutting these steps so nobody can recognize you? Okay, that's a good idea. We're on the same page.
• 14:55
  Everything we're saying is just the goal is get them as comfortable as possible. That's really our goal so that they're as open and honest rather than full BS. Yeah, totally. Totally. I love it. So you said, I am not sure or I don't know. That is 10 bucks and multiplies times doubles every time. Then being vulnerable and open. And what else? So only two rules. Every time you say, I don't know, 10 bucks. Every time you say, I don't want to talk about that, 10 bucks.
• 15:21
  Or like, I'm not, that's an area I don't want to go. Does that make sense? That's a hundred bucks, I would say. Okay, that's a hundred bucks for that one. Because? Because we're not going to waste our time. Oh, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. If they say, I don't want to go there, it's like, they have to pay a hundred bucks and they have to go there. I don't, nobody wants to pay a hundred bucks. So I think it solves it. Like, I don't think we need to answer anyway.
• 15:40
  The I don't know or I am not sure, which is basically a way of avoiding a question. That is a habit that we want to remove and we want to make it fun and we want to make it painful for competitive people. Like, no, you know, she was like so pissed. That's what we want. The I don't want to talk about that. To me, that is more like why you don't want to talk about that.
• 16:02
  So pay $100 and you still have to talk about it. I'm just going to drill the f*** out of them. And even to the point of saying, like, listen, unless we talk about that, this is not going to work. We told you this is the hospital. But this is why I don't think there is a money thing, because these people have money. Therefore, it's not painful. And also they may feel like, wait a second, you can ask me anything and I have to. That's why I don't I don't really see the benefit.
• 16:24
  Meaning we don't have to have that rule? Yeah. I think that the key, the reason to say it is it makes it exponentially clear what we value. And if they're not aligned, don't waste our time. I don't think that you need the rule for that.
• 16:38
  You may be right. I think when we hit on the fact that you were sexually abused as a kid or that's a topic they don't want to talk about, I think that does exist. All right. So let's say that it's like, well, something happened in my childhood and I don't really want to talk about that. Well...
• 16:54
  You need to. I don't really want to talk about that. Well, but listen, unless you share what happened, then we don't understand what we are dealing with. And what I'm saying is I think just laying it out as $100 plus you're still going to talk about it saves everybody time, energy of just clarity.
• 17:10
  I will leave that to you to have that conversation. I don't care. Trust me, it's only two rules. We only have two rules. Both of these, we have the same thoughts. We're going to trial. What you are saying is being vulnerable and open is basically that. It's like you need to share. Yes. You just want to add a monetary thing there for your own non-profit. Well...
• 17:28
  Self-serving. Self-serving. That could be interpreted. Keyboard warriors go wild on it. My real one to do it, the primary reason to do it, is to create complete alignment and clarity with the person joining. That our most important thing is you show up vulnerable, honest, with no guardrails, no boxes, no walls on certain topics.
• 17:49
  Which is kind of like what happens when you go to the hospital and you enter surgery, right? You are like, all right. Yeah. When they're like, did you do cocaine yesterday? It's like, don't lie. Right.
• 18:02
  about to operate on you. This isn't a time to lie. And I thought about my buddy who's, he's a type of doctor. And he's like, Peter, every, it feels like every woman and most men are on these SSRIs, right? The antidepressants. And it's like, right, they get this real perspective
• 18:20
  because you're filling out everything you take, everything going on in your life in a real way. I think you're right. I just think because we're not physically going into their bodies, mentioning this rule clarifies for everyone. Like we want to treat this as a operating procedure. You have five people that requested to go to the hospital. I will leave that to you, no problem. I'm super excited. This will be a really cool way to structure the thoughts and the meetings.
• 18:43
  And it's just going to be fun. Here's the thing. I mean this sincerely. I want to help those people. But there's something positive where like sometimes I'm too soft and I don't think I'm as effective. Sometimes I'd say you're too hard. But together, it's like I come in soft and then you come in with a hammer. It's like a combo, right, that I think is really powerful, right? Because me by myself, I don't think it's effective. You by yourself, I don't think it's as effective.
• 19:08
  combined, I think we're one plus one equals four, three or four. To be honest, I wasn't excited to talk to them because I'm like, I know these problems. I did it. I went through it. You're going to push back and make excuses. Well, she would never allow that. And we're going to be like, all right. And I'm going to be reserved. I think it's so powerful in that the one thing I want to plant the seed with you is just
• 19:33
  You're going to snap your fingers. We're going to snap the fingers. And it's like little Pablo is going to be out running around. Yeah. And already living in the future, coming back to the day, allows us to start driving this of, you know, rather than living in this past or present of, well, the kid hasn't arrived yet.
• 19:50
  Dude, you're going to be one of the best parents in the world. You already are pre this kid coming out. So let's just, and it almost makes the story even funnier when people are like, well, how'd you start this? And be like, well, Pablo didn't even have kids, but he loved parenting. So he got really into it. Like he showed up to my house to learn about a style of parenting. He went all in, you know, and then in 10 years, we're going to laugh because you're going to have a nine or 10 year old. And it's going to be like, well, isn't it funny? I forgot. We started before Pablo even had a kid.
• 20:16
  Well, but we can do this. I mean, right now you have a couple of patients that are eager to come to the hospital. We can do this with anything. I totally agree. And what I'm saying is I agree with that. And I think that's the only way we're going to enjoy it for years is if there's no bars. And, you know, you and I are freedom, guys. We don't want to be restricted. This is one path that I think, especially as you're learning, you have a lot of excitement and it helps me clarify my thoughts of what I have learned.
• 20:40
  So it's a great avenue to poke around. I don't want us to create a block because you have a block of saying, well, I don't have a kid yet. That I want to throw in the trash. That's kind of what I'm saying, right? Is I don't see this as a Peter do it by himself thing. I see this as just because of your comment. You go, we'll bring him into the hospital. I was like, wait a minute. Yes.
• 20:59
  That's exactly what we should do. I have no interest in investments AI, just to refund to, that's not really exciting to me. I am excited when someone comes to the hospital, this happened, you were there, I think, when someone says, I want to understand Bitcoin. Can you please just tell me? Because I don't get it and I really want to understand. I have this disease that the fake news put in my brain. I want your help to extract this.
• 21:28
  I really want to understand. Great, come to the hospital. Boom, let's go. I want to swim with the current rather than against the current. That's one thing. But then the other is I have no interest in AI investments. Me personally. I have basically no interest in investments. Yeah, neither do I.
• 21:44
  Do we want to talk about the revolution of AI? Okay, we can shoot the shit on that. Like how the world is going to be transformed with the perfect money or with autonomous driving or with robots. And we can shoot the shit with that. No problem. But what I'm realizing is I think you're right to question it. And I don't want to be on a call where we're like, are we long Alibaba or blah? Not interested. But projecting the future and thinking about how this is going to change, that's fun.
• 22:08
  The thing with upgrading the life is, again, you need people for the hospital. If we give the talk with no patients, then the talk is not the same. Similar to you, if you give the talk with no patients, I mean, you can do a monologue. But do you want to do a monologue or you want to treat patients? These are really good first principles questions. My original thought was, I think having a monologue
• 22:32
  with you and me, like you're kind of a patient on the life kids. I'm kind of a patient operator of the life. To just do a discussion to create a baseline. So then we could kind of say to patients like, hey, here's things we talk about on this podcast.
• 22:47
  topic, learn about it, right? Just so you have some context. And I think that is more powerful because then the hospital is going to be wonderful. This is a baseline. I think the other thing I've realized with we don't want to change as humans, right? Like you've given me great feedback of the house. I'm still all of us. I'm pushing you on an assistant. You're like, yeah, right? We all kind of the first time we hear it, we're like, no, I'm gonna die. Stop. And I almost think planting the seed. So they at least hear it a first time and they can have their like,
• 23:15
  like we all do, this kind of reaction. Then when they're in the hospital, at least there's some seeds planted that have been growing. And then when we say it a second time, I think they're going to be way more open. Because to your earlier point, all humans, we all want to do this. And we don't want that type of person on the call. We want someone that's kind of prime. I hear you. It's like...
• 23:35
  hey, Peter, I missed your call. Can you do the call for me? And he's like, no, why don't you watch the recording? I already have the recording. Go to the Tiger page. No, I just don't want to watch the recording. I want to, I'm like, okay, if you donate a million dollars to my nonprofit, we can do it. But if not, I don't want to do it. I don't think much of this exists. That's what gets me really excited.
• 24:02
  The only example I know of is this woman, and she's really well known in the kind of relationship. She wrote a couple big books. Esther Perel. You would love her. You would actually really like her. You should listen to a couple. They're only like 30 minutes long. And they're her with her clients who are, it's marriage counseling. But she goes on like really deep sexual stuff and their sexual trauma and their relationships with their parents and all this stuff. And it's kind of addicting because you're hearing like basically the most private, deep, quiet conversation ever.
• 24:32
  of this person and they're having it in this you know live and she records it removes name and the only context she gives is like what country or city they live in. Peter you're gonna be very famous. That scares me. What is scary about that? Honestly the true answer would be attention to my kids that messes them up because they become they get attention too early in life and they think they're more important than they are. That's one. Why they're gonna get attention why your kids will get attention?
• 24:58
  If the videos of their faces are examples of parenting. Oh, no, no, no. But I mean about you. I mean, I think that the same way that Esther Perel is basically in top podcast. I'm talking about Jay Jetty, which has like millions of followers or Luis Hoes, which Hoes? Whatever.
• 25:18
  Dude, she's actually an amazing example. Because I haven't looked at her YouTubes. I would listen to them on Apple. Like I think it was Apple from the iPhone. But I'm looking at how she does the YouTubes is really cool. Because I think she's giving context. But then it switches to just voice and audio. And you can see like still single at 40. Fed up with my friend's relationship drama. I fell for my best friend. What's unspoken our friendship. I mean she gets in. It's some good stuff.
• 25:43
  She has 700,000 subscribers. So Peter, you need an answer. So what do you think? You're going to be very famous. If I were famous, I'll tell you the three reasons that I would worry. When you are famous, do I need to keep paying for dinner or you will finally pay for dinner?
• 25:58
  This is one of my answers. One is if I were famous and I went in a position, I just fly private. Not a big deal. But being at big public places and not being able to like operate normally because people want to like think that we're best friends. So there's a phenomenon. When you listen to someone, if I listen to all of them, we become closer, right? And that messes with people's heads, right? That's why people break into Elon's house because they think they're buddies with him because they've listened to him for so long.
• 26:24
  So I think one, just adding friction to my life if I didn't have a private jet or wasn't flying private financially. I think that just sounds like a headache of just like, I'm not a guy that can be a jerk naturally. So it's like, sure, I'll sign the autograph and take a picture. I don't want to do that. I would never want to do that. I could probably fund for one day and then you'd be like, oh my God, this is horrible.
• 26:44
  The way Jim Carrey says, I wish everyone could be rich and famous so they'd realize it's miserable. Two would be just worry of somehow that messes with my kid's head. We're rich. We're famous. I'm more important than I should be. When the brain's not fully developed to 25 years old, I think that just all those childhood stars that end up being suicidal and drug addicts, that's my number one fear. Number one is that messing with my kids. Number two would be friction to life. And then number three would be what we saw with Charlie Kirk and Trump and all these people of like,
• 27:12
  There are crazy people out there. And I don't want to be anything except honest and truthful. And not all my opinions are popular. What do you mean? All of my opinions are popular. So, you know, do I really care about dying? Let's go the left. Let's go the right. Let's go the middle. Let's go. My preference is to live, you know, to 80, 90, 100, healthy. So, like, do I fear death? No. Do I want to be a light and shine light on darkness? Yes. Yes.
• 27:41
  Those are the only real concerns. That's it. How about you? Very similar. Privacy. But what is the flip side? That is the negative side that you don't have now. What would be the flip side that you will have that you don't have now?
• 27:54
  The flip side is, I think, one, first and foremost, the reason I do something is the ripples it can make on people's lives. By hearing and seeing a mirror of what they're feeling and a way out, you know, I mean, if you think about we had 45 to 50 people on our call and something like three to five reached out and said, I need more.
• 28:14
  That's a conversion rate of 10% saying like, I need this now. Like, whatever this is, give me more. To me, these are the most successful people who solve all their problems, right? And most professionally, at least, struggling that much in this area. It's like, okay, there's a need, clearly. So I think making an impact on people who I will never meet, see, talk to, think about excites me. Like that just feels fulfilling. The Muhammad Ali quote, serving others is the rent you pay for living on earth.
• 28:42
  I remember that because it's sore, S-O-R-E, right? You get sore when you're serving others, working out. Serving others rent earth, S-O-R-E. Serving others is the rent that we pay for being on earth? For living on earth. It's Muhammad Ali quote, right? And I think like, dude, he got sore, right? He was working out, trying to help others, help himself, whatever. So you get sore. Your body and mind need to be sore and used or else we get depressed and anxious and
• 29:08
  suicidal, we need to be serving others. And that's the rent we pay for living on. And it makes us sore, right? We should feel tired, used, you know, we should enjoy it, right? Like working hard in something that feels like play and fun, but it still is taxing. So I think number one is that number two is your influence on, right, something dumb like this, right? Like if we were famous, and I'm using these, it comes back to the other thing. It's like, can you imagine you go to the airport, and you can see like 50% of people with that,
• 29:36
  You'll be like... And look, I don't take full credit for this, but I've been using them for five years. And I've got like, I get all these people now texting me and saying... Peter. Yeah. When we met, I think that you gifted me something like maybe the first or second day that we met, which was a pair of glasses. So I would like that you explain to the audience what these glasses are, why they look like they look, and where do you get them? How much it costs? And what's the benefit?
• 30:06
  The story was I was watching the 1990s banger bucket list. It's with a Jack Nicklaus and Morgan Freeman, amazing older actors. And basically they were dying from terminal cancer. And Jack Nicklaus with this wealthy hospital owner and Morgan Freeman was like a janitor. And they shared a room in the hotel and they became buddies. And they're like, well, if we're going to die, let's go have fun. So Jack Nicklaus had a private jet and they flew around the world doing the most wild stuff. Well, while Jack Nicklaus was in bed, he was lying like this.
• 30:35
  And he was reading a book in bed. And I was like,
• 30:40
  holy cow. I was like, wait a minute. Phones only came out in 2009, long after the movie. I was like, we need phones all the time. So I was like, this should exist somewhere. And I look on Amazon and there's something called Lazy Reader. And it's just one brand. Basically, it's a prism and the prism goes down without you having to tilt your neck. So I'm looking at my hands right now. So imagine this is a phone. I can see this perfectly.
• 31:08
  So I'm looking both at the flowers without tilting my head and I can look forward at you. I keep these everywhere I have. When I started buying them, they were nine bucks because they were only for reading. I try and share a gospel to anyone of like, hey...
• 31:23
  My dad has arthritis in his neck. It creates extreme pain. Our bodies weren't made to hinge at the neck. That's not how the spine is aligned. And every inch is 10 pounds of weight. So most people you see like here, that's because they've put 10, 20, 30 pounds of weight on the bowling ball, our head going forward, and it destroys you. So I wear them all the time. I had never seen them before anywhere out in the wild. I got obsessed. I have bought 50, 100 pairs. I give them. If I meet someone that's really blown away by them, like you, Pablo, I'm like, here, take this.
• 31:53
  Because I want you to spread the good word. I want you to use them. I want you to run with it. And just to add a little bit more in terms of the context or a little bit more, let's try to pitch it a little bit more. Okay. Peter gains a lot of money from this. So he needs to afford the plane. So please just go and buy these things. So the neck, as you were saying...
• 32:14
  The neck needs to have this normal curvature, which basically keeps keeping your chin parallel to the ground. When we are with a cell phone, the tendency is to do this. We tuck the chin into the chest, which basically eliminates the curvature, the normal curvature of the neck, which basically screws.
• 32:32
  up the neck over time. So when we are like this, and we tend to hold the phone close to the chest or close to the navel. So what these lazy readers do is you have to keep the phone where you would have it either way, close to your chest, close to the navel, because of the prism, you can keep the chin parallel to the ground, therefore with a neutral cervical spine without your neck.
• 32:56
  The skyscraper analogy makes sense to me. We are skyscrapers. Imagine you take the top 100-foot skyscraper, you take the top 10 floors and push them out. That throws off the foundation, the base. Structurally, it's unsound. It's going to fall over in time. Guess what?
• 33:12
  That creates us more likely to fall over, right? You see people that look like this rounded forward and they're kind of falling over. You see an older person kind of walking around. It doesn't look attractive. It doesn't look attractive because it's unsafe. And it actually is, I think, the most likely reason that somebody like me would die.
• 33:28
  because it throws you off balance. Then when you're 60 or 65 and above, if you fall and break your hip, do you remember this Pablo? Within one year, do you know what the mortality rate is? 30% mortality, all health, all age above 60 or 65, you will die. So I look at it as I wanna stay in alignment in my life, physically, professionally, family, I wanna be in alignment. And this from a spiritual, from a religious, it's like, hey, if you believe God's sending you messages, it's coming in through the crown of the head. You wanna be in alignment.
• 33:57
  Even if you don't believe in anything religious at all, being in alignment puts you in a position where you look confident, you look attractive, and your entire skyscraper is kind of in a good, confident position, which sends out to everyone, hey, this is a healthy, attractive, great person that I want to interact with, date, learn from, be around versus, you know, this is depressed. This is down, right? This is red light. This is like not someone that's sending off that energy of where they are and how they're aligned in life. Right.
• 34:26
  And the other thing to keep in mind is that by doing this, we are basically our neck or cervical discs, which lead to herniated discs or bulge discs. So imagine what happens when you are pinching your nerves to your head, to your brain. You are basically cutting, it's not exactly like this, but you are cutting the flow of energy to your brain. Yeah. Meaning you are not getting smarter by doing that. Kind of the opposite.
• 34:53
  Wild example. There was a study by a couple brain, some brain surgeons that did, and they were wondering why are these patients bleeding out when they're on table and dying? And basically, they realized that it's the tension that's on certain veins. I think about it, right? If you're cutting it like a hose all the time, that whole part of the body gets sensitive. And I don't
• 35:17
  But I think it was kind of the curvature shift you're talking about. And it's not, you don't want to mess around with part of our body that's using most of the blood, most of the nutrients that's, you know, driving the shit, our brain. It's a really serious thing. One other use case that people already are into are climbing. You know, climbers are more physically aware. They use the same ones. Now, these are inverted down, a prism down.
• 35:37
  They're climbers. They look like this. And I can see the ceiling now. But you can buy. They're different glasses. So they kind of just have it goes on your nose. The climbers, because you want to see your climbing buddy who's up and you're holding the lines for them. That's another version. But the climbers, it's super popular. Whenever I have them on and someone athletic comes up, the only people that know kind of what they are, they're like, oh, I use those for climbing. Why are you using with your phone? Because these climbers have to be in alignment, right? They don't want to fall off. They don't want to have their buddy fall off of a mountain.
• 36:06
  But we're looking up. We're not looking down, right? And they know, I can't sit here for an hour. Why the heck do we think we can sit here for an hour? And meanwhile, most of us use our phones five hours a day. So it's five hours, not one hour of climbing with a buddy.
• 36:20
  You're right. You and I both have a skill to put ourselves in other people's minds and shoes. You and I serve as like a straw man example, right? And look, I can do it, right? I sent the joke text message to our group of friends about I'm ordering UberX. Pablo's going to smell the poor mindset. You know, okay, I ordered the $20 one. I think you questioning me as the parent in the hospital, me questioning you as the upgrade your life in the hospital.
• 36:45
  And we just have, you know, the 10 topics or whatever that we think are really important to drive home with some fun examples and whatever else. And we basically pretend, right? I pretend that I'm the patient. You pretend that you're the patient. And I think that will, one, warm us up. That will allow us to get kind of an unadulterated clean clip.
• 37:03
  of the whole thing so that for anyone, as well as for our patients, they get a little preview. Done. Perfect. That makes sense. Just because you are doing something that you don't enjoy or that is not natural to you, doesn't mean that you need to keep doing it. We both, as founders, as entrepreneurs, we've done things that we do not want to do and we will never do again.
• 37:25
  I've done the role of a COO for years, the role of the integrator for years. That's not my thing. It just drains my energy. I can get it done. I can get done anything, but it drains my energy. I don't want to be doing things that drain my energy. I want to do things that are expanding my energy. I want, in my case, and in your case, the same thing. It's the visionary role.
• 37:44
  Everything you said yes. And one, there's a whole rabbit hole on like how you raise your kids to do things they don't want to do versus that they feel like play. And we create this framework that may stick with us through adults. Oh, well, I have to keep doing it because I was told I had to do this thing at six or seven or eight. One topic. A separate topic is because it feels like play, it may end up being the most impactful we could ever imagine.
• 38:05
  And I'm literally looking at my neighbor's house, which was, he started a podcast. He's an NBA basketball player. His address was 520. And then I'm not going to say, but the road name that he lives on. But how wild is this, Pablo? He named it Club 520. Before he moved or after? No, no. When he was living here.
• 38:22
  His podcast, he named Club Tribe 20 because his address was 520 than the road. Oh, okay. And it blew up. It's one of the three most popular sports podcasts that exist. And he moved. He just sold the house. But he still needs to keep the podcast name because it's so popular now. I didn't understand. What is the correlation? I'm laughing about I'm looking literally at the house.
• 38:45
  And you're saying, hey, this is going to blow up and be famous, which is not my goal. But I'm laughing that it may happen. And we're literally next door to one of the most popular podcasts in the world. And before the prior owner turned the basement into a club, it feels like a club in the house. And so that's why he called it Club 520. But here's the cool thing. To your point is, I don't give a shit if you're famous or not. As long as it's not a job and this is a fine line. I love talking to you. There's few people in the world I want to talk to more than you.
• 39:12
  This is a great excuse. I also happen to love improving people's lives. I already do it all the time. Like it's already what I do in all conversations. So why not? The problem is when I'm at dinner parties and people are like, and my friends laugh because I'll go to lunch or dinner and someone will quit their job the next day.
• 39:28
  and like go full send. It's like, why wouldn't we create more filters around our time to make sure it's willing participants rather than just Joe who sat next to me or Sammy or, you know, Samantha who just randomly is sitting next to me. If we're a little more intentional, it's so much more powerful. And I think that what is going to be very cool is that
• 39:47
  We're going to have the first patient, the second patient, the third patient. And then most likely, instead of us having these conversations, random conversations, we're going to be like, you know what? Are you really serious about this? Yeah. Well, we have a hospital. Let me share with you how it works. I just love it so much because also, Pablo, it represents us so well where people are like, why do you call yourselves Dr. Peter and Dr. Pablo? And it's like, you know, I feel it's appropriate. Like...
• 40:17
  This is, we're doing an operation. We just don't use scalpels. But it's just as effective. We don't do anything. We just tell you. You do it to yourself. We just, but I just, people being like, no, you have to go to med school. You have to earn that title. It's like, ah, we'll borrow it. I feel comfortable borrowing it.
• 40:38
  I don't think that people that have $20 million in their net worth or as investable assets, let's say, this is not just paper money of the value of your company, they are looking for their lottery ticket to 100x their wealth. I think that they would like to, but they are not willing to go into penny stocks. Let me flip it, though. What I mean is the results should still be the same regardless of where you are.
• 41:05
  Your motivation or your level of risk-taking, put that all, you're right, different. In the things that you should invest should be exactly the same thing. Should not change with 10,000 or with 20 mil. You're spot on. The deep thing that is so fascinating to me is the reason we align on this strategy so closely is because we are freedom-focused humans. I want the freedom to focus on whatever makes me curious, not attach myself to the
• 41:30
  the identity that I'm a moneymaker, investor, every day, all day, trying to just continue to compound money. And because I'm willing to part from that identity, I'm willing to accept this framework of investment where a lot of people may in their subconscious believe this is right, but they can't detach themselves from their identity and the fear of having to go learn new things, find other passions, give back to the world, start a nonprofit. Those things scare them more than making less money, right? Right.
• 41:58
  Yeah, I'd rather make less money but be in my safe identity. I've got the suit on. I got the tie. I know where to go. I know what to tell people at coffee parties and weddings, like what I do, who I am. That is very scary to have to leave that. Yes, we are freedom seekers. We are truth seekers. And we look to be working from first principles. We don't care about anything else, basically. This is not an ego thing. We just want to discover the truth.
• 42:28
  I was wrong. I thought that I was right. Oops, I was wrong. Let's change. Let's go. Well, it's so funny because I can tell you you're right. There's a good book that talks about the lottery tickets. And the people in the lowest 10, 20% spend like 80% purchasing the lottery tickets. I didn't know that. But yeah, it's obvious.
• 42:47
  Yeah, the stats are wild. I think it's either Psychology of Money or one other book. One of those two goes through this. And it basically, the stats are wild where it says how much the lowest, and it's exactly right. It's their only way out they see as a way out.
• 43:03
  which I feel so bad for them. I feel so bad for a person who feels that desperate that they're essentially just giving the money away to the government as a tax, as an optional tax they're handing over. But it's more than what all the other groups spend on sports, entertainment, et cetera, combined.
• 43:19
  It's all, you know, if you take the higher kind of 80%, the stats are something like that. And it's just mind blowing, right? That you're throwing this. So now you give this, you give people now have access to a brokerage account, crypto wallet, and they are basically doing the same thing. Because if you have $10,000,
• 43:38
  I'm not saying necessarily that they live in the USA. They could live in Europe. They could live in Latin America or in Asia or Africa. It doesn't matter. But when you do the math and you realize, how can I get ahead of this? Like, I am an employee. I don't have the guts to start something. I don't have the fire or the need to start something. I don't have the fire or the need to start something.
• 43:57
  I cannot even buy a house. How do I get ahead? I barely can get a loan. So it's like, oh, I heard about this coin. I heard about this thing. I heard my friend told me XYZ. Oh, is your friend wealthy? No, but he knows a lot about cryptography. Oh, seriously? Think about this, Pablo. It ties back to communism.
• 44:19
  I feel down. Oh, this new leader says he's going to solve all my problems. That is another way. But these are two different things. One is, cool, that is going to provide for me. And great, at least I don't need to worry about the prices of the eggs because the government is going to fix the price. Or it's going to give me extra money because now I have my fifth baby. I don't know, whatever the government is incentivizing. And the other thing is, all right, I'm just going to buy this lottery ticket.
• 44:47
  Lottery ticket, crypto scam, or penny stock, or whatever someone is telling you that is going to 10x in the next month. This is just gambling, which is very sad. It is very, very, very sad.
• 45:02
  When I think about lottery, my grandfather used to play lottery. And when he chooses, it's called Lotto, I think. So he chooses like six different numbers. I can't remember the numbers, but two-digit numbers. And then on TV, and they were like...
• 45:17
  They were drawing the balls and, oh, cool, yeah. He barely ever won anything, but he had some money. He was not rich, but he had a house, he had one car, he was the only one working in the family, three kids. So basically what it used to be a normal life that anyone can aspire to have, being an employee, right?
• 45:38
  And I don't know, he just liked it. He also liked to go to the casino, play a little bit there. He always went with a certain amount of money. And he's like, this is just play money, no problem. But he's not going there to try to be rich. But when I think about my life, the only time that I bought lottery tickets, it's when I hated my life. When I hated, let me just say it in a different way. When I hated my day-to-day, when I was like,
• 46:01
  I don't like going to the office. I don't like having to commute three hours a day. Oh my gosh, I feel prisoner. Oh, maybe, I know I was not putting all the cash, but maybe, and I didn't think it rationally like this, like I'm telling you right now, but it's like maybe in the back of my mind, it's like maybe, wow, the price is $2 million. I have $5,000, $2 million, that's it. It's a ticket of freedom because that's what I want. I want freedom. So I think that most people may think like that.
• 46:30
  It's a curse to receive money you didn't earn. It's a lottery curse as well as the child curse, right? It ends up oftentimes coming with a terrible ending. And this is why I think that there's a stat that says, like, I don't know, 70% of lottery tickets, they end up more poor than they were before in a couple of years or something like that.
• 46:50
  More poor, depressed, divorced, and sometimes dead. Yeah. I mean, it's a whole phenomenon of psychology, right? And I think it all comes back to kind of earning it, going through the struggle to get to this next level of thinking. And if you just accelerate someone there, it's a house of cards that just collapses on the process. One last thing to close on that will make you smile. So I signed up for this cool new therapy type thing I'm going to try.
• 47:19
  And the older guy immediately, I talked, he's like, tell me a little bit about yourself. I talked for 30 seconds. He goes, you really sound like Tony Robbins. Your voice, what you're saying, you also really look like him. Do you ever get that? I was like, yes, my friends, my friends will love this. I wanted to say he's my dad, my new, my new LinkedIn, Tony, Tony Robbins, abandoned son.
• 47:45
  The B team, a B version of Tony Robbins. C, a C version of Tony Robbins. A poor man's Tony Robbins. Dude, that one's good. That one's really good. A poor man's Tony Robbins. I like that. What do you mean? Why? What is it the meaning of a poor man's Tony Robbins? Like you can't afford the $10,000 Tony Robbins bet? Like, go see Peter. It's a grand.
• 48:07
  You know, you can't get the real deal. Let's go a couple steps down. It'll be a warm up. We'll see. All right, brother. Peace. Take care.