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Sharri | 12 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show tonight. The shocking admission from Australia's
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Speaker 2: top spy agency that they haven't done security checks on
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Speaker 2: all Palestinians arriving in Australia straight from.
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Speaker 3: The war zone. This could put lives at risk.
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Speaker 2: Labour's massive security blunder coming up. Plus Peter Dutton launchers
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Speaker 2: a scathing attack on Albanezi over the cost of living,
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Speaker 2: even yelling at the Treasurer to resign. And why Albanesi
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Speaker 2: has been dubbed the Raygun of Australian politics. He's playing
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Speaker 2: the part of PM, but can't quite nail the routine
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Speaker 2: on the big stage. We unpack that with my political
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Speaker 2: panel later on, But first, Peter Dutton today seized on
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Speaker 2: the IBA's devastating critique that its spending was keeping inflation high.
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Speaker 3: It comes as.
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Speaker 2: Numerous polls show that voters are starting to blame the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister over the cost of living crisis. In Question
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Speaker 2: Time today, Dutton launched a political attack over the economy
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Speaker 2: on the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has broken promises to cut electricity bills,
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Speaker 4: to provide cheaper mortgages and to ensure that families will
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Speaker 4: be better off on the cost of living. The price
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Speaker 4: of electricity is now up by twenty two percent, We've
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Speaker 4: endured twelve mortgage rate hikes, and the prices for food
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Speaker 4: and groceries are up more than eleven percent. Is it
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Speaker 4: clear to austrage this government has lost its way because
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Speaker 4: of this Prime Minister's lack of economic management and experience
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Speaker 4: and general incompetence.
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Speaker 5: Past week, the RBA said, quote, public demand is forecast
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Speaker 5: to be stronger than previously expected, reflecting recent public spending
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Speaker 5: announcements by federal and state and territory governments end quote.
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Speaker 5: But the Prime Minister dismissed this, claiming that's not what
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Speaker 5: they've said. Why is this prime minister in denial that
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Speaker 5: Labour's spending is causing homegrown in and keeping interest rates
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Speaker 5: higher for longer?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 2: In Parliament today, the Prime Minister once again refused to
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Speaker 2: concede that his government spending was contributing to inflation. I
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Speaker 2: reported last week secret Liberal research that showed voter sentiment
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Speaker 2: was hardening against alban Easy over the cost of living.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 3: Polling in the media today bore that out.
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Speaker 2: The Herald's Resolve poll reported that voters have marked Labor
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Speaker 2: over its handling of the nation's finances, and The Herald
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Speaker 2: reported that voters strongly favored Dutton and the coalition when
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Speaker 2: asked to choose the leader and party they believed would
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Speaker 2: do a better job managing the nation's finances. Forty one
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Speaker 2: percent shows the opposition. Only twenty three percent chose alban
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Speaker 2: Easy and Labor, and then news poll in the OZ
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Speaker 2: showed the coalition's primary vote is now at thirty nine percent,
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Speaker 2: with Labour at thirty two percent. The two party preferred
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Speaker 2: result was fifty to fifty. Simon Benson reports that support
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Speaker 2: for Labor at under a third of the electorate, is
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Speaker 2: now below it's May twenty two election result and would
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Speaker 2: suggest there is little prospector of Albanesi calling an early
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Speaker 2: election for this year. But on these results, Labour would
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Speaker 2: only lose four seats and would still retain government.
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Speaker 3: That's if those results are accurate.
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Speaker 2: Momentum is clearly in Peter Dutton's favor and the continued
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Speaker 2: cost of living pressures will cement voted disappointment in Albanesi,
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Speaker 2: who repeatedly promised before the last election to bring down
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Speaker 2: the cost of living.
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Speaker 8: A plan to address cost of living, take pressure off
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Speaker 8: cost of living, pressure off the cost of living, the
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Speaker 8: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, relief
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Speaker 8: downward pressure on cost of living.
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Speaker 2: So for all the go and spending designed to both
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Speaker 2: ease pressures and win votes, there's been no political dividend,
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Speaker 2: no vote of thanks from Australians who can recognize the
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Speaker 2: broken promise when they see one.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Germany is passing laws to deport HUMAS supporters in a
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Speaker 2: tough yet sensible approach, Yet the Albinezi government is doing
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Speaker 2: the precise opposite. They're bringing people into Australia who may
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Speaker 2: support Jimas, and security agencies aren't being given an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to do background checks. That utterly breathtaking revelation from Asioboss
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgess yesterday.
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Speaker 9: Do they pose a security threat?
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Speaker 10: So for all immigration, including when you're balancing humanitarian needs,
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Speaker 10: security checks are critically important. There are process in place,
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Speaker 10: and I can assure your audience that when things get
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Speaker 10: referred to asier we deal with them a fe actively.
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Speaker 10: Of course, there might be times when they didn't get
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Speaker 10: referred to us in time. Once we become aware of them,
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Speaker 10: we're able to do the assessments and deal with them effectively.
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Speaker 2: So, Mike Burgess, they're admitting not all of the Palestinian
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Speaker 2: visas were being sent to ASIO for background checks.
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Speaker 3: It's quite the revelation. He said very clearly.
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Speaker 2: There might be times when they didn't get referred to
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Speaker 2: ASIO in time. Now that's putting the Albanezy government on
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Speaker 2: notice should there be an attack. Shadow Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: James Patterson was outraged about the lack of security checks today.
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Speaker 11: I was astonished by the revelation that it does not
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Speaker 11: appear that every single person coming out of a war
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Speaker 11: zone controlled by a terrorist organization is not being referred
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Speaker 11: to as for a security assessment. Of course, every single
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Speaker 11: one of those people should be referred and on top
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Speaker 11: of that, the Department of Home Affairs and the officials
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Speaker 11: reviewing those visa applications should be using the character provisions
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Speaker 11: of the migration to reject the application of anyone who
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Speaker 11: is a supporter of a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 2: So what happens then when these Palestinians who pose national
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Speaker 2: security concerns, if they do are.
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Speaker 3: Already in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke has said that no one will be sent
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Speaker 2: back to Gaza He says, no government in its right
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Speaker 2: mind would send people back to Gaza, and he's indicating
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Speaker 2: that they will stay in Australia permanently. This is despite
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberzi promising voters that the visas.
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Speaker 3: Will only temporary.
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Speaker 2: It shows how comfortable Albanesi is blatantly lying to Australians. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is an extremely serious issue. Her must supporters being
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Speaker 2: flown into Australia from the front line of Gaza at
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Speaker 2: taxpayer expense. By the way, could threaten our national security
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Speaker 2: and our safety in a dangerous way. James Patterson today
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Speaker 2: asked what sort of Australia we act we want to
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Speaker 2: live in.
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Speaker 11: Hamas is a listed terrorist organization. It has political objectives
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Speaker 11: which it believes should be achieved through violence, and anybody
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Speaker 11: who supports using violent means to achieve political objectives is
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Speaker 11: not welcome in Australia and should not come to Australia.
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Speaker 11: But if you support using attacks like the seventh October,
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Speaker 11: which killed the largest number of Jews since the end
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Speaker 11: of the Holocaust twelve hundred people on one day and
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Speaker 11: kidnapped hundreds more, then I don't think you should come
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Speaker 11: to this country. I mean we should ask ourselves. Will
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Speaker 11: our country be stronger if we bring Hamas supporters in?
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Speaker 11: Will we be more united? Will we be more cohesive?
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Speaker 11: Will our problems of anti Semitism be better?
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Speaker 12: Or will they be worse?
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Speaker 3: Such good points.
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Speaker 2: Now, I first raised concerns about this issue in November
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Speaker 2: last year, and then I reported I revealed on this
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Speaker 2: show that young men are being flown into Australia who
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Speaker 2: support the October seven attacks and who sympathize with Hamas.
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Speaker 2: Now James Patterson spoke about these revelations today with Peter Stephfovic,
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Speaker 2: and he said that security agencies should at the very
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Speaker 2: least do the research that we did.
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Speaker 11: Now, your colleague Sharry marks And did a desktop social
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Speaker 11: media research on some of the applicants for visas as
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Speaker 11: part of that cohort, and she was able to identify
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Speaker 11: people who publicly support her MUS if she can find them.
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Speaker 11: I assure you the intelligence function of the Home Affairs
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Speaker 11: Department and AZEO are more than capable of find them
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Speaker 11: if they're asked to do so. But it appears that
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Speaker 11: this government has not asked them to do so.
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Speaker 3: It's appalling.
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Speaker 2: Now technically Australians who do support Hermas a listed terrorist
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Speaker 2: organization could face prosecution. But the fact that these laws
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Speaker 2: aren't being used means support for terrorism is becoming normalized, condoned,
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Speaker 2: and even accepted at universities, on our streets and in
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Speaker 2: government agencies. It seems to me that supporting her Maas
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Speaker 2: is apparently not a problem for Anthony Albanesi or Penny
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Speaker 2: or Tony Burke. It appears to me that they don't
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Speaker 2: care that they're bringing to Australia immigrants who support bar
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Speaker 2: baric terror attacks, especially at a time when our social
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Speaker 2: fabric is fragile and concerns about terrorism are rising. It's
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Speaker 2: sheer hypocrisy given Albinezi himself said that social cohesion should.
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Speaker 3: Be nourished, his word nourished.
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgess even admitted yesterday that it wasn't necessarily a
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Speaker 2: problem if immigrants supported terrorism.
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Speaker 9: If they've expressed any support or sympathy for Hamas, is that.
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Speaker 10: A problem depends on the what that looks like. If
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Speaker 10: they're supportive because they want their homeland, If they're giving
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Speaker 10: financial support or material aid, that can be a problem.
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Speaker 10: And obviously we take each case on its merits and
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Speaker 10: context of the information we have before us.
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Speaker 9: But if it's just rhetorical support.
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Speaker 10: If it's just rhetorical or support, and they don't have
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Speaker 10: an ideology or support for a violen Stree as an ideology,
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Speaker 10: then that's not a problem. If they have a support
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Speaker 10: for that idergy, that will be a problem.
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Speaker 2: That's a pretty sad response given the extreme social disarray
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Speaker 2: that we're experiencing. It prompts it again this strong rebuke
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Speaker 2: from Patterson today.
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Speaker 11: Mike Gregis also said that it is possible that political
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Speaker 11: supporters or sympathizers of terrorist organizations like a mass could
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Speaker 11: be brought into Australia, that it wouldn't violate Australian law,
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Speaker 11: and in that he very accurately described the status quo
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Speaker 11: under the Alberenesi government.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 11: It is not the task of intelligence agency chiefs to
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Speaker 11: set policy. That is the task of politicians and governments.
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Speaker 11: And it seems clear under the Alberanzi government's watch that
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Speaker 11: they have not asked the Department or our intelligence agencies
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Speaker 11: to make sure that there are no terrorist supporters or
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Speaker 11: sympathizers among the cohort of Palestinians being brought to Australia.
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Speaker 11: Let me be very clear, under a Peter Data Dutton
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Speaker 11: led coalition government. The acceptable number of Hamas supporters to
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Speaker 11: come to Australia is zero, and we'll take whatever steps
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Speaker 11: are necess to make sure that that's the case.
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Speaker 2: And of course he's right. I mean that shouldn't even
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Speaker 2: be controversial. The correct number of people who support her
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Speaker 2: Mus who enter our country should be zero. Our terror
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Speaker 2: threat level is rising. There's more than a fifty percent
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Speaker 2: chance of a terror attack.
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Speaker 3: In the next twelve months.
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Speaker 2: Yet the Albanezy government is literally flying her Must sympathizers
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Speaker 2: into our country at taxpayers expense. It's lunacy, it's insanity.
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Speaker 2: It's an inexplicable disregard for the safety of Australians. Germany
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Speaker 2: is booting out HERMAS supporters while Australia is flying them in.
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Speaker 3: It beggars belief.
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Speaker 2: We need an immediate return to political leadership that puts
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Speaker 2: national security and social cohesion front and center. Australia is
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Speaker 2: fast becoming unrecognizable under the Albanese government and they just
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Speaker 2: don't give a dam about our safety.
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Speaker 3: All right, to.
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Speaker 2: Discuss this, let's bring in now Sky News host Steve
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Speaker 2: Price and countrybutter Joe Hildebrand. Welcome to you, grow Steve
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Speaker 2: do you agree that this is lunacy and insanity?
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Speaker 1: Sure is. And look who's in charge now, Tony Burke.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the decision the Prime Minister took when
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Speaker 1: he reshuffled his front bench. And Tony Burke holds a
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Speaker 1: seat in Sydney which has a large Muslim population. He
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Speaker 1: does not want to upset that population because he wants.
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Speaker 9: To retain that seat.
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Speaker 1: So where was Tony Burke today when James Patterson was
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Speaker 1: out saying all the right things? Where was Penny Wong?
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Speaker 1: Where was the Prime Minister? I mean, it's just crazy
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Speaker 1: that we would bring these people here. And when Tony
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Speaker 1: Burke says, well, we're not going to send them back
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Speaker 1: under any circumstances, he won't change his mind on that.
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Speaker 1: And now that he said it, he can't actually do it.
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Speaker 1: So if Azio suddenly finds out that one of these
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Speaker 1: people that's come into the country, who was checked before
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Speaker 1: they landed, is now someone who is vocally supportive of Hamas,
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Speaker 1: what do we do with them? I mean, do we
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Speaker 1: arrest them and throw them into some sort of detention.
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Speaker 1: That should happen, but I don't think this governor will
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Speaker 1: do it.
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Speaker 2: No, Joe, we couldn't have heard more times from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, from Penny Wong, from Clara O'Neil oh, all
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Speaker 2: the normal processes are being followed, and then we hear
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgess say, well, actually not all of them have
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Speaker 2: been sent to US for background checks in time, in time,
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Speaker 2: implying they're already here.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. Look, obviously it would be extremely concerning if any
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Speaker 9: of the individuals who were given asylum did end up
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Speaker 9: posing a threat. I think the more I mean the
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Speaker 9: problem is you've got Hamas sympathizers that are already in Australia,
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Speaker 9: have been homegrown here have got even less of an excuse.
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Speaker 9: We saw a great expose a of an academic in
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Speaker 9: The Australian who said that maybe her masks were just
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Speaker 9: like anti colonial freedom fighters. We've had student activists going exactly.
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Speaker 3: But I think it's different if people have been brought up.
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Speaker 9: In indoctrinate Well, that's right, My point exactly is. My
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Speaker 9: point is if if you are brought up in Palestine
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Speaker 9: a level of propaganda and the way that the entire,
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Speaker 9: the entire society is built around, you know, despising Israel
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Speaker 9: and thinking Israeli is evil and wanting to take back
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Speaker 9: your homeland. You don't think HAMAS is a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 9: That's the problem. People in the West have no excuse.
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Speaker 9: We can see and we know it's prescribed. People there
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Speaker 9: could very easily. And you know, you young have to
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Speaker 9: look at the children's TV program that they put out
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Speaker 9: just depicting Jews in horrible ways. People there would have
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Speaker 9: been brainwashed into thinking Hamas were, you know, these heroic
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Speaker 9: freedom fighters. And indeed Hermas won elections. And this is
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Speaker 9: a security briefing I got from here a very Jewish,
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Speaker 9: very senior security advisor to I think it was George W.
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Speaker 9: Bush who was saying that Hamas won these elections by
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Speaker 9: getting all these you know, local community leaders, young doctors,
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Speaker 9: you know, the local pharmacist to run for election. We're
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Speaker 9: seen as this nice, touchy, feel like grassroots community and
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Speaker 9: we know that they're also double agents who opposing as
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Speaker 9: u N educators or u N workers at unwis. So
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Speaker 9: again it's it's very disturbing, but the important thing is
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Speaker 9: we expose the muscle what they are and these people
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Speaker 9: realize it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's turn to the dramas around Hurry,
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Speaker 2: go ahead, Steve, Well, you've made the point before, the
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Speaker 2: neighboring Arab countries near Palestine are not taking these people.
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Speaker 1: Why are we flying them all the way to the
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Speaker 1: other side of the world when they live in Palestine. Yes,
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Speaker 1: what's happening in Gaza is horrible, but why won't people
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Speaker 1: in Egypt? Why don't they go to Egypt or somewhere
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Speaker 1: in their region not as far away from where they lived.
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Speaker 6: Bringing any of them here.
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Speaker 9: I'd believe they have links to Australia the people were
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Speaker 9: flying over, but certainly the other countries should be going
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Speaker 9: much anymore.
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Speaker 2: But I think Steve, potentially there are security concerns. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know there's not enough pressure put on Egypt either.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's to the drug.
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Speaker 1: And remember that these people remember showing that. Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: found out on your program last week that they were
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Speaker 1: processing visas within an hour. How do you do a
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Speaker 1: security check on someone within an hour? That's ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not possible.
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Speaker 2: We've been reporting on the security flaws for months now.
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Speaker 2: I hope, strongly hope with every fiber of my being
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Speaker 2: that it doesn't lead to an incident. But you know,
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Speaker 2: we should be having our intelligence agencies checking people before
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Speaker 2: they come here.
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Speaker 3: It's just the most basic thing.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would be happy to have access to more intelligence, Joe,
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Speaker 2: Then what's publicly available. Let's turn to Rachel Gunn. Her
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Speaker 2: shocking break dancing routine scored zero Marx. This bizarre performance
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Speaker 2: has now been mocked and questioned by big names in
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Speaker 2: the media and politics.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 12: I feel for Rey gun Oh so good.
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Speaker 13: I think isn't like huge though?
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Speaker 3: Do you really need to feel for it?
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Speaker 11: What do you mean huge in what way?
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Speaker 12: Like an embarrassment and the joke of the world.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: I have to ask you because because it's all that
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Speaker 2: me and my friends have been talking about last night,
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Speaker 2: after the show and today, and I'm.
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Speaker 3: Not saying anything.
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Speaker 7: I'm you know, I.
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Speaker 1: Think it's taken by I think it's the best thing
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Speaker 1: that's happened in the Olympics.
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Speaker 7: See entire time.
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Speaker 14: Did anyone see the breakdancing lady?
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Speaker 9: It's all from the Olympis.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's overshadowed the number of medals that Australia won.
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Speaker 2: We're now a laughing stock and an embarrassment.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 2: Sky News digital editor Jack Houghton wrote that Rachel Gunn's
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Speaker 2: university papers because she's an academic.
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Speaker 3: Are just as bad as her dancing.
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Speaker 2: He writes on the Sky News website that one of
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Speaker 2: her papers is filled with this sort of gibberish, including
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Speaker 2: suggestions breakdancing was a space for those who had been
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Speaker 2: othered to express themselves and engage in new hierarchies of respect.
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Speaker 2: You should read his article because it's a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of woke nonsense. Joe, I think many people have been
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Speaker 2: saying this, but you know kids, and I've got a
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Speaker 2: five year old boy and he often just no one
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Speaker 2: teaches him how to dance, but his natural breakdancing. Most
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Speaker 2: mums will say this better than what we saw from her.
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Speaker 9: It's just it was incredible, And Parnell McGuinness raised the
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Speaker 9: possibility which I've increasingly come to the view must be true,
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Speaker 9: which it's all just a massive troll, that this is
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Speaker 9: a massive kind of practical joke on the global scale.
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Speaker 9: It's like angry penguins. It's all a hoax, and then
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Speaker 9: she'll write a dissertation about it, got through to the
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Speaker 9: Olympics and just took the piece out of the whole thing.
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Speaker 9: But I had much more sympathy for her before I
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Speaker 9: read some of her academic work, which is the worst
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Speaker 9: kind of turgent sludge, like it is what gives all
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Speaker 9: of academia a terrible, terrible brain. And then the claims
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Speaker 9: that the criticism of her was somehow misogyny or it
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Speaker 9: was sexist, and I just and now I'm kind of like,
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Speaker 9: you know what, now you deserve everything you get. But
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Speaker 9: it was just absolutely it was so bad that either
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Speaker 9: it's a spoof or she takes herself so seriously that
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Speaker 9: it looks like a spoof.
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Speaker 3: But Steve, this isn't just Rachel Gunn's fault.
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Speaker 2: Whoever's the head of the Australian breakdancing team. They could
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Speaker 2: have found an eight year old who did a better job.
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Speaker 2: Why put her up for this sort of international failure
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Speaker 2: and embarrassment? The judges gave her a zero score, so
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Speaker 2: clearly she wasn't objectively good by anyone's standard.
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Speaker 9: No, it was a great look.
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Speaker 1: Her work at university is a worse crime than the
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Speaker 1: breakdancing I think. But you're right, how did she ever
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Speaker 1: get how did she ever get to become an Olympian
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Speaker 1: and walk in the shoes of all of those brilliant
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Speaker 1: athletes that we sent there. I mean, the only thing
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Speaker 1: I'm sad about here is that the LA has dropped
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Speaker 1: breakdancing from its program, which will be really bad news
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Speaker 1: for Joe because I think breakdancing about the only thing
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Speaker 1: Joe could ever represent the country as an Olympian. It's
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Speaker 1: his chance has gone out the window.
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Speaker 9: I know it's Crauel. Don't someone think of the forty
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Speaker 9: eight year old white breakdancers. You know, where's our time
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Speaker 9: to shine?
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Speaker 6: You know?
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Speaker 9: The goodness long appropriation, Steve. I think that's that's my
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Speaker 9: academic dissertation.
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Speaker 2: Maybe tomorrow night will play some of the clips of
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Speaker 2: kids that the parents are posting online who have done
20:20
Speaker 2: better jobs. Now the Australian's latest newspolt today, I mentioned
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Speaker 2: it a moment ago. Has the Abanzi government and the
20:26
Speaker 2: Coalition neck and neck on the.
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Speaker 3: Two party preferred result.
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Speaker 2: Steve, the primary vote, the Coalition is at thirty nine
20:34
Speaker 2: percent at this and Labor at thirty two percent.
20:37
Speaker 3: That's primary.
20:38
Speaker 2: So Steve, with these results, Labor would still win and
20:43
Speaker 2: only would you know, would only lose four seats. I
20:47
Speaker 2: just don't think that's an accurate reflection of voter sentiment
20:50
Speaker 2: at the moment, given the cost of living.
20:52
Speaker 1: Crisis you're trying to trigger us. I mean, the worst
20:57
Speaker 1: result in any election would be a minority labored government
21:00
Speaker 1: where they then have to deal with whoever Teal survives,
21:04
Speaker 1: And a lot of them won't, but some will. They
21:07
Speaker 1: say they won't deal with the Greens, but who would
21:09
Speaker 1: know if it got desperate? Anthony Albaneze, you do anything
21:12
Speaker 1: to hang on to his job. I would imagine. But
21:14
Speaker 1: can you imagine twenty twenty five living in Australia. It's
21:19
Speaker 1: bad enough under the Albanze government now, and I know
21:22
Speaker 1: jose Ah made of albos but I think he's a
21:24
Speaker 1: week prime minister, But can you imagine living in a
21:26
Speaker 1: country where it was being run by labor and they
21:30
Speaker 1: had to cave into a whole lot of demands from
21:33
Speaker 1: whatever Teal? I mean, I still have bad dreams about
21:37
Speaker 1: Julia Gillard dealing with Bob Catter and Rob oakshot Tony Windsor.
21:41
Speaker 1: I mean it took two weeks and made us all.
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Speaker 3: Feel sing yes, yes, Joe.
21:46
Speaker 2: Do you still think that Albanize is going to win
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Speaker 2: the next election.
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Speaker 9: I think it will be minority government. I very much
21:53
Speaker 9: like Steve and I are in perfect agreement that I
21:56
Speaker 9: very much wish that it was not minority government. I
21:58
Speaker 9: do not like minority governments. Will not deal with the Greens.
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Speaker 9: There will be no coalitions say that now believe, and
22:06
Speaker 9: there's no way mathematically that they will have to. They
22:08
Speaker 9: don't want to deal with the Teals either.
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Speaker 3: They don't want you.
22:10
Speaker 2: But if it's a choice between retaining government and losing.
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Speaker 9: It, there's a choice between the Greens and the Teals.
22:19
Speaker 9: They would get to the Teals, but they'd have to
22:21
Speaker 9: lose a lot more than four seats before they have
22:22
Speaker 9: to deal with the Teals. So they only have to
22:24
Speaker 9: get to seventy two seats and they can still deal
22:27
Speaker 9: with another four independents to hold government without even touching
22:31
Speaker 9: the Teals or the Greens. They're not going to touch
22:33
Speaker 9: the Greens with a barge pole. You've heard what the
22:35
Speaker 9: Prime Minister has said about them. He despises them. They
22:38
Speaker 9: try to attack him and take his job at every
22:40
Speaker 9: single election. In his own seat, they're barricading his office.
22:44
Speaker 9: Even as we speak, they're condoning the worst kinds of
22:49
Speaker 9: rhetoric about the.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he's happy to attack the Greens.
22:53
Speaker 1: But yes so, Joe, you're telling us we're going to
22:57
Speaker 1: be run by Anthony Albanezi Catter, Andrew Wilkie and Jackie Lanby.
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Speaker 9: That'll be fun, and Rebecca Sharky possibly.
23:07
Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: No, obviously, no one wants that, least of all anyone
23:11
Speaker 9: in labor. They want a majority. But I'm just saying
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Speaker 9: that it doesn't even if Lavor goes into minority government,
23:17
Speaker 9: it doesn't mean they'll be for the deals.
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Speaker 2: Yes, if the polls get so bad, it'd be interested
23:22
Speaker 2: to see if there's a push behind Tony Burke.
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Speaker 3: It would be fascinating.
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Speaker 9: I think we're adding a deal. I think it's been
23:28
Speaker 9: this low before, but I don't think things can sink
23:30
Speaker 9: much lower, and I think they will get better, especially
23:32
Speaker 9: as year companies people start looking forward to an interest
23:35
Speaker 9: rate cart and the economy hopefully.
23:37
Speaker 2: I think that's very optimistic, Steve, because things are getting worse.
23:41
Speaker 2: The IRBA governors just said we're not going to have
23:42
Speaker 2: an interest rate cut at least in the next six months,
23:44
Speaker 2: and the research shows that voters are starting now to
23:48
Speaker 2: blame Albo. The attitudes are starting to harden, so it
23:51
Speaker 2: could sink lower. What do you think do you think
23:53
Speaker 2: there could be leadership?
23:54
Speaker 1: Colsibly, Well, yeah, they could. Well, I don't know about
23:57
Speaker 1: a leadership change. I mean maybe, but cost living is
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Speaker 1: getting worse and worse and worse. I visited minine year
24:03
Speaker 1: old mother last week. I tried to work out on
24:06
Speaker 1: her power bill. When she's getting the money that the
24:08
Speaker 1: federal government we're going to roll out to all of
24:11
Speaker 1: us to get a cheaper electricity. I couldn't work it
24:13
Speaker 1: out how she's supposed to work it out. And she's
24:15
Speaker 1: paying four hundred dollars a quarter for electricity. He lives
24:20
Speaker 1: on her own in a small house. I mean, it
24:23
Speaker 1: is really tough for people out there. And look, I
24:26
Speaker 1: guess I suppose Joeanne Sharry, you'd both agree this puts
24:30
Speaker 1: to bid. Any idea of an election this year is
24:32
Speaker 1: just not going to happen.
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Speaker 9: I never thought that I have side. The whole time.
24:37
Speaker 9: I thought it would be suicide. I thought it would
24:38
Speaker 9: be insane. You wait until you get an interest rate
24:41
Speaker 9: cut behind you and people are starting to feel more optimistic,
24:44
Speaker 9: and then you go after that. For a while it
24:45
Speaker 9: looked like we weren't going to get that. It now
24:47
Speaker 9: looks like there's going to be one in the sort
24:48
Speaker 9: of the first quarter of next calendar. Year, and I
24:51
Speaker 9: can guarantee there will be no leadership spill. You can
24:54
Speaker 9: take that to the bank. That is absolute. People might
24:56
Speaker 9: be trying to stoke that from the other side, to
24:58
Speaker 9: try to bump it up, but there is absolutely no
25:01
Speaker 9: way Labor would never do that again, I promise guaranteed.
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll see.
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Speaker 6: I sure.
25:07
Speaker 2: I think if the primary vote sinks lower, Tony Burke
25:11
Speaker 2: is so ambitious he could mount an argument with his
25:16
Speaker 2: supporters that, you know, the only.
25:18
Speaker 3: Chance they have to hold onto government and to say.
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Speaker 9: That I don't think so. Tony Burke is a very
25:24
Speaker 9: very capable minister, and he is he is the minister
25:26
Speaker 9: for everything these days, and he's the sort of mister
25:28
Speaker 9: fix it that you go to when you want a
25:30
Speaker 9: problem solve. But even if there is not, and then
25:34
Speaker 9: won't be. But the heir apparent to Anthony Alberanezi is
25:37
Speaker 9: not Tony Burke. It is Jim Chalmer punt present.
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Speaker 2: I think that Tony burke suggestion as Prime Minister is
25:43
Speaker 2: utterly absurd, but this is what he thinks. He keeps
25:46
Speaker 2: putting himself forward as the next PM.
25:48
Speaker 3: Anyway, we're out.
25:49
Speaker 2: Of time, Steve Price, talk soon, all right, Labor as
25:54
Speaker 2: we've been speaking about, is still in damage control. After
25:58
Speaker 2: the IRBA confirmed that budget spending of both state and
26:02
Speaker 2: federal governments was contributing to higher inflation, the PM denies
26:07
Speaker 2: that his budget had anything to do with it. But
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Speaker 2: let's bring in now Macro Business chief economist Leith van Nonstein.
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Speaker 3: Leith, great to see you.
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Speaker 2: Look, there is this clear rift, this divergence in views
26:19
Speaker 2: between the RBA and the government on whether government spending,
26:23
Speaker 2: and it's not just federal its state as well, is
26:26
Speaker 2: contributing to keeping inflation high. Do you think that Albanesi
26:31
Speaker 2: government has any leg to stand on when they disagree
26:34
Speaker 2: with the RBA?
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Speaker 15: No, I don't, cherry look to be honest with you,
26:38
Speaker 15: I think both the federal government and the state governments
26:40
Speaker 15: are working across purposes.
26:41
Speaker 6: With the reserve Bank.
26:42
Speaker 15: So obviously the reserve banks trying to slow inflation through
26:45
Speaker 15: high interest rates, and we have the federal government working
26:47
Speaker 15: against that obviously with its very high immigration policy, which
26:51
Speaker 15: they're running into a supply constrained market, and that's pushing
26:54
Speaker 15: up obviously things like housing inflation and into inflation. Was
26:57
Speaker 15: We've also got obviously energy policy alliures left right and center,
27:01
Speaker 15: which is pushing up gas and electricity prices. That's adding
27:04
Speaker 15: the cost of living and inflation across the economy. And
27:07
Speaker 15: finally we've got their massive spending on things like the NDIS,
27:10
Speaker 15: which is obviously adding demand in the economy. And then
27:12
Speaker 15: we have the state governments which are doing their big
27:14
Speaker 15: build infrastructure projects, often on white elephant sort of projects
27:19
Speaker 15: like the suburban rail loop in Melbourne, and then that's
27:21
Speaker 15: adding demand to the economy. So we've got basically a
27:24
Speaker 15: burnout economy at the moment, where by the Reserve Bank's
27:27
Speaker 15: got the foot on the brake with interest rates, and
27:29
Speaker 15: all the governments have got the foot on the accelerator
27:31
Speaker 15: working across purposes, and we really need them.
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Speaker 6: To work together.
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Speaker 2: There's also been this debate about the energy subsidies. Clearly
27:38
Speaker 2: they do lower that component of the CPI. However, the
27:43
Speaker 2: data shows that when they end that inflation ticks back
27:47
Speaker 2: up again. So are you one of those economists who
27:49
Speaker 2: thinks this is a trick or do you think it's
27:51
Speaker 2: really smart policy.
27:53
Speaker 6: Look, it's a band aid to be quite frank.
27:55
Speaker 15: So basically the subseason on energy and rents for that matter,
28:00
Speaker 15: basically trying to paper over the cracks of the government's
28:02
Speaker 15: own failed policy. So if you look at energy, for example,
28:06
Speaker 15: the East Coast Australia is one of the biggest gas
28:08
Speaker 15: exporters in the world, but we're the only region in
28:10
Speaker 15: the world that doesn't have a gas reservation scheme and
28:13
Speaker 15: as a result, we pay some of the highest gas
28:14
Speaker 15: prices in the world and then that.
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Speaker 6: Pushes u up electricity. And instead of addressing that.
28:19
Speaker 15: Problem at the source by implementing a domestic reservation scheme
28:22
Speaker 15: like we have in Western Australia, the federal government instead
28:25
Speaker 15: wants to spend our money to try and alleviate the
28:28
Speaker 15: cost pressures, and they're doing that also with the rental market.
28:30
Speaker 15: Instead of cutting inflation cutting immigration hard, which they should be,
28:34
Speaker 15: they're instead handing out subsidies.
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Speaker 6: So it's really just a statistical trick and it's not
28:39
Speaker 6: fixing the underlying problems.
28:41
Speaker 2: How are we comparing in the inflation fight to other
28:44
Speaker 2: countries around the world at the moment, Yeah.
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Speaker 15: We're certainly running behind the other country. So you know,
28:50
Speaker 15: if you look at say Canada or New Zealand for example,
28:52
Speaker 15: their inflation is coming down fast than us. We're lagging them.
28:55
Speaker 15: So unfortunately we do have domestically driven inflation. And again
29:00
Speaker 15: some of that gets back to the federal government with
29:02
Speaker 15: its excessive immigration, energy policy failures, spending etc.
29:06
Speaker 6: And the state governments.
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Speaker 3: An Onsen, thank you very much for your analysis tonight
29:12
Speaker 3: now still to come.
29:13
Speaker 2: Why Albo is being called the Raygun of Australian politics.
29:18
Speaker 2: He looks snazzy in a suit but can't nail the
29:20
Speaker 2: routine on the big stage. Plus former ABC chair Morris
29:24
Speaker 2: Newman will be on live after. Kim Williams lashes coverage
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Speaker 2: against the broadcaster, despite him criticizing the ABC repeatedly in
29:33
Speaker 2: his own book That's All Coming Up After the Break,
29:41
Speaker 2: Welcome Back Well. ABC chair Kim Williams has claimed that
29:45
Speaker 2: news Core Power Company has an obsession with the public broadcaster,
29:49
Speaker 2: saying the coverage is unbalanced and at times fairly unhinged.
29:54
Speaker 3: He says it should be ignored.
29:55
Speaker 2: He also went on to say that the ABC has
29:58
Speaker 2: an obligation to be a reliable broadcaster for the nation.
30:01
Speaker 2: He says we are the last broadcaster standing because there
30:04
Speaker 2: are a lot of people in Australia who don't have money.
30:08
Speaker 3: Now.
30:08
Speaker 2: This is despite the fact that Kim Williams himself was
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Speaker 2: highly critical of the ABC in his twenty fourteen book.
30:16
Speaker 2: It seems his tune has changed since taking on the
30:19
Speaker 2: role of chair.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm Joe now by former.
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Speaker 2: ABC chairman Maurice Newman Marris, thank you very much for
30:26
Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 12: Lovely to be with you again.
30:28
Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: Among the many things that Kim Williams said in his
30:31
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen book, he absolutely smashed the ABC. He said
30:35
Speaker 2: it was guilty of pompous twaddle. He said it doesn't
30:39
Speaker 2: break news or not enough news.
30:41
Speaker 3: He accused it of.
30:42
Speaker 2: Vainglorious behavior, and he said he begs to differ, and
30:46
Speaker 2: he completely smashed it. He couldn't have used harsher words.
30:51
Speaker 2: Yet here he is now ABC chair doesn't have a
30:54
Speaker 2: harsh word to say, and criticizing NewsCorp for daring to
30:59
Speaker 2: hold the part broadcaster to account despite the fact it's
31:02
Speaker 2: funded by the taxpayer.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, which is the real? Who is the real
31:06
Speaker 12: Kim Williams?
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Speaker 16: I mean, I would suggest, probably in the book is
31:10
Speaker 16: what he really thinks. But he seems to have been
31:13
Speaker 16: captured since he's been there. I mean, when his position
31:16
Speaker 16: was announced I wished him all the best and hoped
31:19
Speaker 16: that he's able to succeed but I know what it's
31:23
Speaker 16: like having been there, that ultimately they either wait you
31:26
Speaker 16: out or try to capture you. I think that Ida
31:29
Speaker 16: Buttros has had a couple of comments since she left
31:32
Speaker 16: which had been critical of the ABC.
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Speaker 12: But none of that was apparent when she was there.
31:36
Speaker 16: I was critical of the ABC, and from that moment
31:39
Speaker 16: on I was canceled. I gave a speech to the
31:43
Speaker 16: two hundred most senior people in the ABC. I was
31:47
Speaker 16: told that what I had said, which was that they
31:50
Speaker 16: should be more curious, they needed to be more independent
31:52
Speaker 16: than they needed to be more considerate of the charter,
31:56
Speaker 16: that when I made those comments, I was essentially remember
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Speaker 16: speaker after me was told that the audience was too
32:05
Speaker 16: angry after what I had said to concentrate on the
32:09
Speaker 16: subsequent speaker. So you know, it is a collective, it's
32:12
Speaker 16: self serving, it's inward looking, and I wish Kim William's
32:17
Speaker 16: luck even now, but I think he's going to find
32:19
Speaker 16: it increasingly difficult.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the issue is that it ignores certain stories
32:26
Speaker 2: or problems in society, it focuses on others.
32:29
Speaker 3: It has a.
32:29
Speaker 2: Bias in many different areas, even though it is funded
32:32
Speaker 2: by the taxpayer. One point one billion dollars a year.
32:36
Speaker 2: What did you try and change apart from the speech,
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Speaker 2: What did you try and change when you were there?
32:40
Speaker 2: And was it virtually impossible?
32:42
Speaker 12: Well, it is impossible, Althos.
32:44
Speaker 16: I found it impossible, and I certainly put some effort
32:48
Speaker 16: into it. I mean I remember that night, after I
32:51
Speaker 16: had given my speech to those two hundred most senior people.
32:55
Speaker 12: Remember that Mark Scott, who was in the.
32:58
Speaker 16: Chief executive, issued a statement which was read out on
33:02
Speaker 16: late line by Tony Jones, saying that he had complete
33:06
Speaker 16: confidence in the staff and the journalists at the ABC.
33:10
Speaker 16: So essentially threw the chairman under the bus. And I
33:13
Speaker 16: knew from that moment on where I stood and where
33:16
Speaker 16: the ABC stood, and the train never the twain met.
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Speaker 12: So we did have a committee which came up with.
33:22
Speaker 16: New editorial policies. But it's like the Soviet Union's constitution.
33:27
Speaker 16: It was the freest in the world. But if you
33:28
Speaker 16: don't practice, it doesn't really matter.
33:30
Speaker 3: Good analogy.
33:31
Speaker 2: And now, of course Mark Scott's over at the University
33:34
Speaker 2: of Sydney again failing in his leadership.
33:37
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's so fascinating.
33:38
Speaker 2: We've been very critical of the fact that the public
33:40
Speaker 2: broadcast at hasn't all covered the antisemitism crisis. It hasn't
33:45
Speaker 2: cared about anti Semitism until today, Maurice Newman, the ABC
33:50
Speaker 2: sees fit to only care about anti Semitism when they're
33:53
Speaker 2: publishing messages sent by a Channel seven executive to another producer.
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Speaker 2: This is their revelation today on the website. They claim
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Speaker 2: that those messages are anti Semitic, even though the producer
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Speaker 2: who sent them, Mark Llewellyn, is known to strongly support Israel.
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Speaker 2: This is a story I looked at personally a few
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Speaker 2: months ago. I knew about the messages. I had the messages,
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Speaker 2: but I dismissed it as a story because yes they're
34:20
Speaker 2: off color messages, Yes they're offensive, but they're not anti Semitic.
34:24
Speaker 2: And if the ABC cared about anti Semitism, well there's
34:27
Speaker 2: a lot of issues they could look at that are
34:29
Speaker 2: actually a lot closer to home.
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Speaker 16: Well, we always see our own faults magnified in others,
34:34
Speaker 16: and I suspect that's probably what they're seeing in the
34:37
Speaker 16: Channel seven report.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned the ABC's coverage overall has been far from
34:42
Speaker 2: friendly to the Jewish community or to Israel. That's for sure,
34:45
Speaker 2: all right, Morris Human really appreciate your time and insights.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Enjoy having you on the show
34:51
Speaker 3: as always.
34:52
Speaker 2: Now still to come, Albin Easy, the Reagan of the
34:56
Speaker 2: Australia One commentators hilarious and devastating critice.
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Speaker 3: Plus the political polls are.
35:01
Speaker 2: Bad for Albow, but isn't bad enough that he'll be
35:04
Speaker 2: a one term prime minister.
35:06
Speaker 3: I'll discuss this with my political.
35:08
Speaker 2: Panel Cameron Milner and Holly Hughes after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back well.
35:18
Speaker 2: Another terrific piece by editor Christopher Dare in The Nightly
35:22
Speaker 2: this Evening where he calls Anthony Alberizi the Raygun of
35:26
Speaker 2: politics door rights that Albanezi pulled out all the right
35:30
Speaker 2: moves to get the call up for national duty. Looks
35:33
Speaker 2: pretty snazzy in the green and gold tracksuit, but can't
35:36
Speaker 2: quite nail the routine on the big stage. Our iconic
35:41
Speaker 2: Big Girl is all bunny ears, kangaroo hops and body drops.
35:45
Speaker 2: DJ Albow is all talk, labor chops and policy flops.
35:51
Speaker 2: On that note, let's bring in tonight's political panel former
35:54
Speaker 2: Chief of Staff to Bill Shotton, Karon Milner and Liberal
35:57
Speaker 2: Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome to you both is this a
36:00
Speaker 2: fair comparison.
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Speaker 17: Well, I always like reading Chris Stor, but yes, I
36:05
Speaker 17: think it is. I mean, you know, at the end
36:07
Speaker 17: of the day, just because you're representing Australia, it doesn't
36:09
Speaker 17: mean you're actually up to the job. I mean, Raygun
36:11
Speaker 17: was a disgrace. I mean Meghan Davis said that today
36:14
Speaker 17: in her in her tweet, and I think Albo is
36:17
Speaker 17: getting found out by the Electric as well as not
36:19
Speaker 17: being up to the job. So no, it's just because
36:21
Speaker 17: you've described as Australian representatives doesn't mean necessarily up for
36:24
Speaker 17: the job.
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Speaker 14: Holly, what do you think, Well, I don't know if
36:29
Speaker 14: he's breakdancing, but he's certainly performing significant acrobatic moves at
36:33
Speaker 14: the moment, particularly when you look at the way he's
36:37
Speaker 14: trying to misinterpret what the RBA is saying when it
36:41
Speaker 14: comes to this government spending and the direct links that
36:44
Speaker 14: it has with the inflation that we're experiencing, and the
36:48
Speaker 14: RBA saying that it is because of the government spending
36:51
Speaker 14: that we're going to experience higher interest rates for longer,
36:55
Speaker 14: and yet any time that mister Aveneese has questioned on this,
36:58
Speaker 14: he just flood out denies that's what they've said it's
37:01
Speaker 14: just extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a fan of the ray gun either.
37:06
Speaker 3: I think it's incredibly.
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Speaker 14: Embarrassing and I actually feel sorry for our athletes who
37:10
Speaker 14: did perform incredibly well that they've been overshadowed. Yeah, one
37:15
Speaker 14: is talking about some of the other performances exactly. I
37:19
Speaker 14: want to say Jess Hull, and I might be wrong,
37:21
Speaker 14: but who won the silver medal on the track and
37:23
Speaker 14: the last second last night? You know, there was some
37:25
Speaker 14: incredible efforts by Australian athletes that have been overshadowed by
37:30
Speaker 14: this complete embarrassment that looked like a Kath and Kim
37:34
Speaker 14: mock up in an Aussie tracksuit.
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Speaker 3: I agree.
37:38
Speaker 2: It's such a pity that it's distracted from the fact
37:40
Speaker 2: that Australia did so well. I mean, for a while
37:43
Speaker 2: it looked like we were going to come in third
37:44
Speaker 2: on the metal tally just slipped into fourth. But this
37:47
Speaker 2: is all anyone's talking about now and well, the Alberanezi
37:51
Speaker 2: government today introduced legislation to tackle the CFMEU have a look.
37:56
Speaker 13: The government has rushed in new laws to clean up
37:58
Speaker 13: the embattled CFM. You new Minister Murray Watt wants to
38:02
Speaker 13: appoint an administrator for the construction divisions of the union
38:05
Speaker 13: after shocking allegations of criminal misconduct. Fines and jail time
38:09
Speaker 13: would be imposed for union officials who refused to comply.
38:13
Speaker 2: And that was Trudy McIntosh there with that report. Cameron,
38:16
Speaker 2: do you think an administrator given sweeping powers under the
38:20
Speaker 2: legislation goes far enough to tackle this?
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Speaker 17: Well, let me say, I think the legislation is premature.
38:28
Speaker 17: I think it's traconian, and I think, quite frankly, it's thuggish.
38:31
Speaker 17: We've actually got a federal court process where the Fairwork
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Speaker 17: Commission's actually testing the evidence, testing the allegation shari as
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Speaker 17: they should. And yet you have a politician stepping into
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Speaker 17: the Brits into the midst of this. Albow is seen
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Speaker 17: as so weak, he's so desperate to be seen as
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Speaker 17: a tough guy.
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Speaker 9: He wants to be now a union buster.
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Speaker 17: I think this legislation might be needed at the end
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Speaker 17: of a long process, the way Bob Hawk did with
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Speaker 17: the BLF. It was a royal commission in two years
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Speaker 17: of investigations, and Bob Hawk s it up and said
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Speaker 17: this is now necessary. Albert's done none of that, none
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Speaker 17: of that's been justified. Leave it to the police to
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Speaker 17: investigate criminal matters. Leave it to the Fair Work Commission
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Speaker 17: to actually run the case in the federal court. I
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Speaker 17: don't think Palmer's got a role in this. Parliment should
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Speaker 17: be there to make the laws. Courts there should be
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Speaker 17: there to interpret them. And I think Murray, what Aalbo
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Speaker 17: have overstepped their mark completely with this legislation.
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Speaker 2: Interesting Holy the coalitions are posing it, but for completely
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Speaker 2: opposite reasons, well.
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Speaker 14: Not really opposing it for opposite reasons. I think Cameron
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Speaker 14: is spot on when he talks about the need for
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Speaker 14: a Royal commission and a proper investigation into this. Albo
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Speaker 14: would love to think that he is Bob Karnate, Bob
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Speaker 14: Hawk reincarnated, but in fact he's an absolute poor cousin
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Speaker 14: three times removed. He is nothing like Bob Hawk and
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Speaker 14: what he did around the BLF when he registered it
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Speaker 14: it is absolutely disgraceful. I mean, we've been maybe where
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Speaker 14: Cameron and I won't agree. We've been on the NDAs
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Speaker 14: all day today and legislation that was supposed to be
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Speaker 14: passed six weeks ago has had eighteen amendments brought by
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Speaker 14: the government today and this is why scrutiny of this
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Speaker 14: legislation or any legislation is important, and the fact that
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Speaker 14: they're just trying to jam this through in a bid
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Speaker 14: and it's not about policy, it's not about legislation, it's
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Speaker 14: not about substance. It's all about the politics. Cameron's right
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Speaker 14: when he says it's Murray Ward trying to provide it's
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Speaker 14: a factional al to look ye.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Cameron explain that.
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Speaker 14: Boosts albos power in Victoria.
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Speaker 17: How actually don't Holly, they does she don't support albow Albow.
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Speaker 3: They're with the right, he's the left.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 17: And in the other lot, John said this is just
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Speaker 17: a factional hit job at the point of convenience for
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Speaker 17: Albo to try to look like a tough guy when
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Speaker 17: he's actually looking so weak on so many other issues.
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Speaker 2: Holly Cameron, I think it's fascinating that no one has
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Speaker 2: spoken about this, that you're the first person to actually
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Speaker 2: point this out that in a way this is cementing
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Speaker 2: Albanese's power base.
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Speaker 3: Cameron Milner, Well, that's right.
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Speaker 17: And I actually went back to the ninety and eighty
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Speaker 17: five type Britain speech the Bob Haulk gave to the
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Speaker 17: Parliament where he stepped out like a proper lawyer. Every
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Speaker 17: single reason why they b left needed to be deregistered,
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Speaker 17: including the fact that Norm Gallagher have been found guilty
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Speaker 17: and gone to jail for corruption.
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Speaker 9: None of that's the case.
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Speaker 17: And we've actually got a process, a fair work commission
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Speaker 17: process that's independent, Chari independent. Albow's factional politics and he
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Speaker 17: doesn't want that. He wants to ran through legislation, jam
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Speaker 17: it through the Senate. I think this, as I said,
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Speaker 17: is highly premature and actually subverts the process of the
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Speaker 17: independent courts in this land.
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Speaker 2: But the problem is, of course the CFMEU is thaigish.
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Speaker 2: You know, it does appear that they've been involved in
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Speaker 2: criminal conduct, so I don't think they're going to have
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Speaker 2: too many defenders. It's just interesting that, you know, it
41:46
Speaker 2: is also a factional issue.
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Speaker 17: But Shari, not even John Hown and Peter Reith de
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Speaker 17: registered the MUA in the middle of the waterfront.
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Speaker 12: Dispirite.
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Speaker 9: This is union.
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Speaker 17: Busting legislation from the Parliament. Let's call it for what
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Speaker 17: it is, a union busting legislation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Camera Milner, Holly Hughes, great to see
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Speaker 2: you both tonight. Now up next, Donald Trump's campaign accuses
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Speaker 2: he ran of hacking their internal messages and how did
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Speaker 2: leak documents end up in the inbox of a media outlet,
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Speaker 2: Plus the dangerous crackdown on free speech in the UK.
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Speaker 2: Koshagada will break all of this down after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's have a.
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Speaker 2: Look now at this ominous threat from the UK Crown
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Speaker 2: prosecution servers to free speech. They've worn citizens to think
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Speaker 2: before they post. This does appear to be a major
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Speaker 2: attack on free speech, with comedian Rowan Atkinson among those
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Speaker 2: speaking out against it. Let's bringing now Stein News contributor
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Speaker 2: Koshagada to discuss this.
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Speaker 3: Kosh, You're good to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Look how serious is this and how concerning is this
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Speaker 2: censorship of free speech in the UK?
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Speaker 18: Concerning very chilling, some would say. And George Orwell was
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Speaker 18: English and he wrote about a version of this in
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Speaker 18: nineteen eighty four, and some would say he was very prescient. It's,
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Speaker 18: you know, quite remarkable how countries in the West, starting
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Speaker 18: with the UK and you know many the US, Australia others,
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Speaker 18: have come out of that freedom basically philosophy that you know,
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Speaker 18: they came into after six thousand years of human experiments.
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Speaker 18: It was sort of the best system that's come out
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Speaker 18: of England and most of the countries and around it.
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Speaker 18: To see this happening there is quite stunning.
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Speaker 3: I think, you know.
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Speaker 18: The reason is the upstream problem over here is the
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Speaker 18: level and quantum and speed of immigration that has been
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Speaker 18: allowed into the country, coupled with poor and unequal application
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Speaker 18: of the law that has led to this pressure cooker
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Speaker 18: environment which at any time can explode as it did
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Speaker 18: because of those atrocious stabbings. It's really hard to unscramble
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Speaker 18: the egg of immigration policy and law and order policy,
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Speaker 18: and so the easier thing to do is to try
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Speaker 18: and put a lid on the pressure cooker in the
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Speaker 18: form of censorship and infringement on civil libers. And so
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Speaker 18: I think it's unfortunately a predictable consequence, but it really
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Speaker 18: is quite stunning when you see it in a country
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Speaker 18: like the UK.
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Speaker 3: It truly is.
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Speaker 2: We're going to continue to cover this topic throughout my
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Speaker 2: shows this week. For now, Kocher, let's have a look
44:12
Speaker 2: at the US left wing media outlets are trying to
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Speaker 2: defend Kamala Harris since she's gone to ground. As we know,
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Speaker 2: she's refused to give a press conference or a serious
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Speaker 2: sit down interview. MSNBC's Michael Steele defended it.
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Speaker 7: Have a look what has struck me since Donald Trump's
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Speaker 7: press conference is sort of the sort of high brow
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Speaker 7: nature of the press coming at Kamala Harris saying.
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Speaker 12: Well, she, in my view, whining that.
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Speaker 7: She hasn't she doesn't talk to us, she hasn't done
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Speaker 7: a sit down with us, she hasn't done interviews with us.
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Speaker 7: Right now, is there a real need for her to
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Speaker 7: sort of, you know, get the impromata of the press
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Speaker 7: on her campaign.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a serious issue of presidential nominee
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Speaker 2: surely needs to be open for scrutiny, especially when she
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Speaker 2: missed all the debates.
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Speaker 18: So true, it's very frustrating for citizens, for voters that
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Speaker 18: are trying to ascertain how to cast their vote and
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Speaker 18: who stands for what they stand for and who is
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Speaker 18: going to set the country on the right direction. But
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Speaker 18: if that's the question being asked, absolutely, it's very frustrating.
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Speaker 18: I think where Michael Steele is right, as much as
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Speaker 18: we hate to say it, is if the question is
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Speaker 18: what does it take for a candidate like Kamala Harris
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Speaker 18: to win this race and run out the cloth with
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Speaker 18: eighty days left to go and the circumstances under which
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Speaker 18: she arrived in the position of being the nominee, then
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Speaker 18: some would say, actually, this is exactly the correct, correct
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Speaker 18: strategy for her. The question remains, eighty days is a
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Speaker 18: lifetime in politics, and will that frustration from the press,
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Speaker 18: as favorable as they are to her, get to a
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Speaker 18: point where it makes them look very foolish and they're
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Speaker 18: going to force it, or will Team Trump be able
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Speaker 18: to somehow force her into an unscripted moment with a
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Speaker 18: debate or something like that. Other than that, I think
45:57
Speaker 18: this is very clear that this is her strategy and
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Speaker 18: she's going to continue running with it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Now let's have a look at the claims by
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Speaker 2: the Donald Trump campaign team that they've been hacked by Iran.
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Speaker 2: This came after Politico received campaign documents via an anonymous email.
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Speaker 2: This included a dossia on jd Vance now Ko. A
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Speaker 2: Trump campaign spokesman, said the documents were illegally obtained by.
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Speaker 3: Foreign sources hostile to the US.
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Speaker 2: Iran has denied responsibility. That's neither here nor there. Do
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Speaker 2: you think, though, that there is credible reason for the
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Speaker 2: Trump campaign to suspect that Iran might have been behind
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Speaker 2: this leak.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's possible.
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Speaker 18: There are many, many opponents to the Trump campaign, and
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Speaker 18: it's kind of remarkable how many battlefronts he has to
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Speaker 18: fight on, both with domestic institutions that are against him
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Speaker 18: as well as foreign But I think it's been widely
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Speaker 18: held view ever since he entered the political arena that
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Speaker 18: a lot of these countries, be it Iran, be it China,
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Speaker 18: be it whoever, they are less inclined to be supportive
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Speaker 18: of a Trump presidency because he's on predictable, he's a
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Speaker 18: bit brash, he is very America first, and that may
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Speaker 18: or may not align with somebody certainly like Iran, but
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Speaker 18: even other countries, whereas the other side seems to be
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Speaker 18: a little bit more controlled or controllable. So I think
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Speaker 18: it's not outside the realm of possibility.
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Speaker 3: Who knows.
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Speaker 18: I think this has been stitched together from a statement
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Speaker 18: Microsoft put out there suggesting Iran was a bad actor
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Speaker 18: and something like this a couple of months ago, and
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Speaker 18: then US security sources are also confirming it certainly a possibility.
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Speaker 2: And what do you think the polls are now telling
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Speaker 2: us about Kamala Harris v. Trump, and given the polls
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Speaker 2: are showing that she has a chance at winning, was
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Speaker 2: the move to replace Biden with her a good one?
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Speaker 18: It would seem that way for now where she you know,
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Speaker 18: number one definitely stemmed the tide of the cratering that
47:48
Speaker 18: was happening with Biden after that disastrous debate. So that
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Speaker 18: was one issue where diehard Democrats were even abandoning him.
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Speaker 18: They have come back home, So I would say that's
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Speaker 18: a tick in her column.
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Speaker 3: The second thing.
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Speaker 18: About the the battleground states, the swing states, it certainly
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Speaker 18: seems like it's tightening. There is momentum for her, but
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Speaker 18: it's still I think the jury is out on how
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Speaker 18: this is going to go.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be super.
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Speaker 18: Close, but for now it's certainly better than the alternative,
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Speaker 18: which was Biden in their case.
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Speaker 2: All Right, Kosha Dada, thank you so much for your time,
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Speaker 2: and that's why I've got time for tonight.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Mari