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Best of Chuck in the Morning 8-3 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: the morning on your home for the Super Bowl Champion
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  Speaker 1: twelve Man Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM.
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  Speaker 2: Well, great morning to you here on this Monday. Great
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  Speaker 2: to have you a board welcomed into the radio show.
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  Speaker 2: It is six am on a Monday. We are live
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  Speaker 2: at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center here in Renton, Washington
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  Speaker 2: for another Seahawks practice. Seahawks training camp coverage continues with
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  Speaker 2: us here in the mornings, Ashley Ryan and myself, and
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  Speaker 2: it is great to have you with us here on
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  Speaker 2: this day. But let me be honest with you. I
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  Speaker 2: thought we were back in the studio today and even
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  Speaker 2: though we're at Seahawks camp, I'm gonna tell you right now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk pretty much about but baseball today.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how he couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I realized that the football field in front of me,
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  Speaker 2: and the berm and the Seahawks and the World champions
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  Speaker 2: and the Greg Bells and the Emmanuel Wilson's that are
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  Speaker 2: gonna come on the show today. Yes, yes, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: It's all a gravitational pull for me to talk about football.
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  Speaker 2: We even have a preseason game later on this week
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  Speaker 2: to get it all started. But I'm pretty much a
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  Speaker 2: thousand percent baseball right now, Ashley.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I am the same way. I think
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  Speaker 3: I was dreaming about baseball last night.
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  Speaker 2: Did you make a trade?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't, but I was very I think I was
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  Speaker 3: refreshing Twitter a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot of that going on yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I don't know if you got you got
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  Speaker 2: up in the mood to make trades today or like, hey, no,
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  Speaker 2: did I give you a bagel?
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  Speaker 1: Here?
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  Speaker 2: Palmer the Great? But what if I traded you some
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  Speaker 2: frosted flakes for your bagel?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and I would absolutely make that trade.
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  Speaker 2: And a fruit juice to be named later.
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  Speaker 3: That's the key right there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to discuss at all. How was your
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  Speaker 2: weekend before we start to launch an end of this.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, how was your last four
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  Speaker 2: days of your life?
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  Speaker 4: I know, I think they were the busiest days I've
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  Speaker 4: had in the last three months.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, So why is that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was so we had a big golf tournament
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  Speaker 4: up at Mill Creek and I that it's the men's Invitational,
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  Speaker 4: and I always helped volunteer. I was running around Thursday
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  Speaker 4: and Friday.
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  Speaker 3: I got chicken with your head, Chicken with my head
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  Speaker 3: cut off.
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  Speaker 4: And then Saturday I had that softball game, which, by
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  Speaker 4: the way, did not strike out. Made contact at both
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  Speaker 4: my mats. I did get out, but I didn't strike out.
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  Speaker 2: That's all.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure that I at.
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  Speaker 2: Least hit the ball. Didn't embarrass yourself.
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  Speaker 3: I did not feel embarrassed the Koogs one, so that
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  Speaker 3: part I hate it.
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  Speaker 4: But and then Sunday I had a seven hour journey
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  Speaker 4: to Sumner and back.
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  Speaker 2: It happens, Yeah, it happens.
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  Speaker 4: And it was I got locked in our parking garage
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  Speaker 4: here yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: So that was cool.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I had to come get the kz Ok
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  Speaker 4: vehicle to go to the event in Sumner and then couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Get out of the garage.
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  Speaker 2: Oh jeez.
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  Speaker 4: So it was really just I was like, Wow, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to wrap up this weekend thinking I'm so glad
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  Speaker 4: I had these days off.
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  Speaker 2: A tie bow on this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the way to wrap it up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's all right. I'm happy to be back.
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  Speaker 2: I had a twenty one hour broadcast day on Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that sounds like a thrill.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Well so you got that going for you,
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  Speaker 2: which would which helps none at all. All right, well,
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  Speaker 2: we are certainly underway. We are happy to be here
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  Speaker 2: with you here on this Monday morning. And yes, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you had an adventurous week and yourselves out there,
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  Speaker 2: many of you, And let's face it, so did the
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  Speaker 2: Mariners from Friday night with a loss of the Minnesota Twins.
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  Speaker 2: And it sort of looked like and felt like that
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  Speaker 2: maybe that was too big a loss to overcome, that
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  Speaker 2: this team was in such a funk that no, statistically
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  Speaker 2: they weren't out of it. It wasn't some must win
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  Speaker 2: on Friday, but the way the team has played here
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  Speaker 2: in the last month, coupled with the trading deadline approaching
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  Speaker 2: getting home, was supposed to sort of resurrect things, and
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  Speaker 2: then to lose the game Friday certainly cast a Paul,
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  Speaker 2: a darker Paul, deeper Paul over the entire operation. And
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  Speaker 2: it did feel like, certainly, as you put your head
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  Speaker 2: down on the pillow on Friday night that maybe this
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  Speaker 2: team was not going to trade four players at the
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  Speaker 2: trading deadline, and then what kind of new do we
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  Speaker 2: wake up to in the morning on Saturday. News that
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  Speaker 2: they are open to anything and that means maybe even selling,
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  Speaker 2: and the names George Kirby and Randy a rose Arena
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  Speaker 2: started to float around and people were losing their minds.
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  Speaker 2: How could you trade Randy a rose Arena. He's been
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  Speaker 2: your only consistent hitter this entire season. You're really going
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  Speaker 2: to move him at the trading deadline? You're going to
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  Speaker 2: abandon this Where there were other Mariner fans that were like,
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  Speaker 2: this team stinks. Sell sell sell, and so they were
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  Speaker 2: actually receiving that news with open arms. Then the George
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  Speaker 2: Kirby news was accompanied with that, and that would be
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  Speaker 2: a real indication that this team was giving up on
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  Speaker 2: the season if you moved away from George Kirby, or
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  Speaker 2: at least many people felt. But the idea theoretically would
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  Speaker 2: be that you trade from strength, and if you can't
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  Speaker 2: get the offers you want from for Luis Castillo or
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  Speaker 2: for Emerson Hancock, then maybe you have to dangle an
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  Speaker 2: even more attract trade piece in order to get the
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  Speaker 2: offensive return that you're seeking. And then things started to
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  Speaker 2: get muted a little bit with a Saturday victory. A
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  Speaker 2: Saturday win sort of pulled this team from the abyss,
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  Speaker 2: or so it felt, and maybe, uh man, now we're
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  Speaker 2: kind of caught in between. Was this going to be
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  Speaker 2: a cell buy kind of trade deadline? Jerry's done that before.
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  Speaker 2: He's also been very aggressive at the trading deadline, even
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  Speaker 2: though they were further out than what they are now
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  Speaker 2: during the Randia Rose Arena trade deadline when you bought
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  Speaker 2: him in the first place. And so then we spent
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  Speaker 2: Saturday wondering, oh boy, which direction are they heading? And
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  Speaker 2: then we got the news on Saturday evening that the
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  Speaker 2: Mariners had in fact moved a starting pitcher, and it
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  Speaker 2: was the guy that they wanted to move all along,
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  Speaker 2: and that is veteran Luis Castillo. He is now a
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  Speaker 2: member of the Chicago White Sox. Traded four relief pitchers,
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  Speaker 2: Sir Anthony Dominguez, Nolan Jones, who at one point seemed
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  Speaker 2: to be ready to take the league by storm and
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  Speaker 2: came back the second season after he had a very
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  Speaker 2: impressive debut and has never been able to find that
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  Speaker 2: player again, He's been moved several times over the last
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  Speaker 2: few years. So nothing that you can rely on, certainly
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  Speaker 2: this year and probably never. But it is a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a roll of the dice. Maybe catch lightning
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  Speaker 2: in a bottle, because he is a big, strong, athletic outfielder.
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  Speaker 2: He just might be lost and his time might be done.
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  Speaker 2: And then the third piece was a minor league prospect,
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  Speaker 2: a catcher with a lot of potential. I'm hearing some
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  Speaker 2: really good things about him, but he is not considered
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  Speaker 2: one of the better prospects in the or one of
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  Speaker 2: the best prospects, maybe one of the better ones, top
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  Speaker 2: fifteen prospect in the White Sox organization. He was immediately
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  Speaker 2: made about the fifteenth best prospect in the Mariners organization
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  Speaker 2: according to Pipeline upon the trade. But let's go back,
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  Speaker 2: let's refresh, because my thoughts on Luis Castillo throughout this
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  Speaker 2: process were He's gonna be really hard to trade with
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  Speaker 2: that salary, not performing well this season, but he has
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  Speaker 2: been performing better as of late, and where the Mariners
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  Speaker 2: might not need that leadership, or they might not need
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  Speaker 2: a sixth man for a six man rotation, right the
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  Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox, a young team with a young staff
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  Speaker 2: that looks like they're headed toward the playoffs, might be
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  Speaker 2: able to use a veteran in Luis Castillo with some
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  Speaker 2: playoff experience, with some Pennant stretch experience in his career,
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  Speaker 2: who has been pitching better as of late. And the
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  Speaker 2: White Sox sound just damn giddy about getting Luis Castillo
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  Speaker 2: on their roster. And so what I said about Castillo is,
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  Speaker 2: you probably are going to have to take on a
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  Speaker 2: bad contract if you trade him, or you'll just get
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  Speaker 2: some middling prospect. If you trade him, you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: get that big of a return. I'll say this. They
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  Speaker 2: got a little bit more of a return than I thought. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they because they got both. They got a bad contract, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and Sir Anthony Demingez because he's not gonna be worth
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  Speaker 2: ten million dollars as a relief pitcher, our sixth best
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  Speaker 2: relief pitcher next year. And they got a middling prospect,
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  Speaker 2: even though he is showing some stuff at the minor
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  Speaker 2: league level. So they got both. So actually they got
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more than I was projecting, But it
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  Speaker 2: was still in the neighborhood of what I was projecting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I felt like too. When I
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  Speaker 4: heard it, I was like, okay, well, I don't hate it.
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  Speaker 4: I like Luis Castillo a lot. I would have loved
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  Speaker 4: for him to go to the bullpen, but at the
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  Speaker 4: same time, with that contract, it just doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 4: So getting rid of that contract for at least a
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  Speaker 4: lesser bad.
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  Speaker 3: Contract, right right, I was like, yeah, okay, I'll take it,
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  Speaker 3: and we get some bullpen help and we get some possibilities.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and so under the circumstances, I think
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  Speaker 2: they did well, but it didn't really make the team better. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Sir Anthony Dominguez is a better pitcher
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  Speaker 2: than Luis Castillo, and had Castillo gone to the bullpen
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  Speaker 2: as you suggested just now, I think he would have
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  Speaker 2: been very good at it, and probably better than Sir
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Dominguez is going to be. So So in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the trade, yes, it was a It was a
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  Speaker 2: really good trade if your goal is to dump money
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  Speaker 2: now and into next year, if that was your goal,
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  Speaker 2: to get out from underneath the contract, and to also
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  Speaker 2: clarify your starting rotation going forward so we don't have
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  Speaker 2: to piggyback anymore, and we don't have to six man
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  Speaker 2: this thing anymore. If if that was the objective, let's
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  Speaker 2: clarify our starting rotation for the rest of the season,
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  Speaker 2: and and we can also get out from underneath some
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  Speaker 2: money that we can better spend in the off season
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  Speaker 2: or even at this year's trading deadline. If that was
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  Speaker 2: the goal, then I would say mission accomplished. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't really improve this team as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: actually it doesn't improve this team. And so now that
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  Speaker 2: you have won two games in a row, since we
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  Speaker 2: woke up Saturday morning feeling like the world was ready
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  Speaker 2: to end, hearing a Rose Arena and Kirby could be
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  Speaker 2: out the door and it could be a buy sell,
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  Speaker 2: one foot in the boat, one foot on land kind
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  Speaker 2: of trading deadline again this year, which might have been
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  Speaker 2: understandable at that stage in the process, considering how poorly
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  Speaker 2: the team was playing through Friday night. You know, we're
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  Speaker 2: in that mode. And now all of a sudden, you're
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  Speaker 2: out from underneath Castillo. You have added a veteran piece
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  Speaker 2: to your bullpen, and now you've won two dramatic baseball games, actually,
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  Speaker 2: way too dramatic for our tastes. You've won two games,
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  Speaker 2: you get a day off, and you're getting ready to
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  Speaker 2: take on a Tigers team that's probably going to be
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  Speaker 2: depleted by the time you face them. Once this trade
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  Speaker 2: deadline day comes to a close, and suddenly the clouds
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  Speaker 2: lift and maybe you're back in a race, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: today you're going to be aggressive at the trading deadline again.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there is enough evidence there to suggest that you should,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, as you felt all season long, be buying
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  Speaker 2: at the trading deadline and trying to take advantage of
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  Speaker 2: this good roster that you put together in the off season.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where it stands right now, three games out
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  Speaker 2: of first place from the Houston Astros. But that's a
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  Speaker 2: team that the Mariners have dominated for the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years, certainly this year, and you will have your
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  Speaker 2: chance head to head with them soon, very soon to
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  Speaker 2: really make a statement within the division. So here we
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  Speaker 2: sit on trade deadline day. I don't know what to
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  Speaker 2: expect from this team. I really don't. But my guess
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  Speaker 2: is Ashley that after moving Castillo, I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: the Kirby rumors are still floating around out there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine, you know, an organization, because if you
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  Speaker 2: recall two off seasons in a row, I've said to
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  Speaker 2: trade Luis Castillo. I mean, you can go back and
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  Speaker 2: listen to all the Stove podcasts with anders Hurst said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I said it here in the morning show as well.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted them to move on from him, and their
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  Speaker 2: statement was you never trained starting pitching. You just don't
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  Speaker 2: do it. And yet we've spent this entire season with
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  Speaker 2: too many starting pitchers and Kate Anderson not allowing any
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  Speaker 2: runs at Double A, and we don't even have room
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  Speaker 2: to move him up even with an injury. And so
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  Speaker 2: that's been my statement all along. So now that they
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  Speaker 2: finally have moved Luis Castillo, I can't imagine that George
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  Speaker 2: Kirby is still on the trading block at this point.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe the Cubs trade for Kevin Gosman last night
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  Speaker 2: is the indication that George Kirby is no longer being
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  Speaker 2: you know, waved around here at the trading deadline. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm assuming George is not going at this.
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  Speaker 4: Point, and I would I would hope that's the case,
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  Speaker 4: and especially after yesterday's performance and him even saying post
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  Speaker 4: game I've heard the rumors.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to go anywhere. I want to be here.
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  Speaker 4: So if that's the way he shows you he wants
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  Speaker 4: to be here, I'll take it.
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  Speaker 3: Go seven in means not giving up a run. Yeah, thanks, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think he's probably gone in the offseason.
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  Speaker 2: I do. I've been saying this for years. But if
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  Speaker 2: this team, you know, still believes in this roster, and
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  Speaker 2: you do have nearly two months to prove that your
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  Speaker 2: playoff caliber, I mean, having George Kirby around I think
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  Speaker 2: helps the baseball team. Yes, And so I can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: that they're moving on from two veterans so that they
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  Speaker 2: can clear a space for Kate Anderson and the starting rotation,
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  Speaker 2: who really has not gone more than four innings in
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  Speaker 2: a game this season. I mean that's where they lock
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  Speaker 2: him in at at four innings, so that he'll have
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  Speaker 2: some juice left at the end of the year to
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  Speaker 2: join this team. But I've always suspected it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be either in a September I've called him the
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  Speaker 2: September South Paul from since the beginning of the year.
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  Speaker 2: I always thought that it was going to be in
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  Speaker 2: a September role where he might get a few starts
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  Speaker 2: down the stretch, or can be used as a bullpen piece,
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  Speaker 2: where you might go ahead and pitch him the four
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  Speaker 2: innings that he's accustomed to throwing so far this season,
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  Speaker 2: But to thrust him into the starting rotation when he's
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  Speaker 2: really not stretched out beyond four innings at this stage
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  Speaker 2: in his first full year as a professional baseball player,
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine George Kirby is still available in trade
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  Speaker 2: if he was ever available in trade. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: how I'm approaching this deadline day with the idea that
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  Speaker 2: George Kirby is still going to be a Mariner after
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  Speaker 2: three o'clock this afternoon. Now, Randy or Rose Arena could
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  Speaker 2: be a different story, which is something that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to tackle a little bit later on in the show
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  Speaker 2: when I got a little more time, I would just say,
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  Speaker 2: as an overview, this is certainly been our most consistent
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  Speaker 2: hitter this year, but he's also probably been the greatest
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  Speaker 2: source of frustration in terms of clubhouse chemistry so far
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  Speaker 2: this year. And a few years ago, the Detroit Tigers
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  Speaker 2: were in a similar situation where they were on they
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  Speaker 2: weren't sure if they were going to make the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: and they decided to move on from Jack Flaherty at
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  Speaker 2: the trading deadline and a few others they sold at
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  Speaker 2: the deadline, if you remember, and ended up going on
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  Speaker 2: a tear in August with their new refreshed clubhouse and
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  Speaker 2: ended up making the playoffs that year because they started
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  Speaker 2: playing seven hundred baseball. They cost the Mariners a spot
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs two years ago because a team that
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  Speaker 2: sold in the deadline got their stuff together after the
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  Speaker 2: deadline and ended up going on this run without three
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  Speaker 2: or four veteran pieces that they moved away before the
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  Speaker 2: trade deadline back in twenty twenty four. So it's not unprecedented.
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  Speaker 2: The only difference is in this situation, the Mariners have
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  Speaker 2: a struggling offensive team and Randy rose Arena has been
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  Speaker 2: their best offensive player. The Tigers moved on from Flaherty
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  Speaker 2: and others, but they still had Trek Scoobel back on
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  Speaker 2: that team in twenty twenty four. Where the Mariners if
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  Speaker 2: they moved on from a Rose Arena today, and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about what they might get if in
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  Speaker 2: fact they choose to do that, then you're creating another
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  Speaker 2: whole attitude or not in an offense that obviously has
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  Speaker 2: been challenged all season long. So it's an interesting aspect
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  Speaker 2: as we get ready for three o'clock this afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the I just I think if we
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  Speaker 4: get rid of Randy Rose Arena, then it's telling me
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  Speaker 4: that they're I don't know, it's telling me that they
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  Speaker 4: don't really believe in this team because you get rid
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  Speaker 4: of the one consistent thing that's happened on the offense
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  Speaker 4: and you're saying, Okay, we're done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if it's necessarily that. I get
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  Speaker 2: why you're saying that, but I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: necessarily that. I don't expect them to move him. I
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  Speaker 2: think the two wins on Saturday and Sunday draw you
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: close enough. You're three back of the division lead, with
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: plenty of opportunities to face the Astros. The Rangers apparently
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: are going to sell today. We talked to their beat
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: writer last week or was it no two weeks ago,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: and he thought they were in first place at the time,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and he thought that they were going to sell at
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the trading deadline. So the Rangers really don't count themselves
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: as a contender. The Mariners do. The Astros certainly do.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Now they're going to add today. But you're only three
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: games back of Houston, You're only two games back in
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the wildcard race. So those two wins ye might have
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: kept Jerry and Justin from out of frustration fury, from
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: abandoning their pursuits of making the playoffs this year. But
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: We've got a lot to discuss today. I'm not done
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: with Castillo, I'm not done with Domingos, I'm not done
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: with a Rose Arena, I'm not done with Kirby. We're
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: gonna spend a large chunk of today's show here from
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: training camp talking about deadline day, one of my favorite
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: days of the year. Let's find out what's on tap
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: for today, show man.
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  Speaker 2: So the deadline is at three pm today. That's plenty
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: of time for plenty of activity, and there is expected
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to be a lot of it. So we waited a
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: long time with no activity during this process, and then
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: it started happening just as the experts were projecting. Once
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Derek Scooball got moved to the Los Angeles Dodge, it
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: opened up the market. We've since then seen Freddie Peralta
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: get traded from the Mets to the Tampa Bay Rays,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Luis Garcia pretty good hitter from the Washington Nationals to
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the New York Yankees, and Kevin Gosman last night to
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the Chicago Cubs. And we've got from now until three
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: o'clock for what is expected to be a lot more
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: wheeling and dealing, and so we'll keep you up to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: date this morning. I don't know if the trades will
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: start before ten am this morning, but my guess is
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: that Greg Bell and Ian Furness are going to be
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: loaded with all sorts of trades to discuss as a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: trading deadline day has finally come. We are at training camp.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Greg Bell will join us today at seven oh five
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and we will talk Seahawks football with him. Also, Emmanuel Wilson,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: one of the newcomers to the Seahawks, is going to
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: join us today at seven forty five. Probably the big
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: story is that we are on the eve of the
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Hard Knocks debut for the World Champs that will air
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night on HBO. We Genevion Clowney, who I closed
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the week with talking about how the Seahawks did have
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: legitimate interest in bringing Jenevion Clowney back to Seattle. Well,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: he had legitimate interest in going back to the place
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it started for him as an NFL player. He signed
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: with the Houston Texans over the weekend. The countdown to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame weekend is here, and so that begins
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: in earnest here. Today, the Sounders lost again, but at
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: least it was close two to one to the Timbers,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: so maybe it's a step in the right direction for
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Brian Schmetzer's struggling football team. The NWNBA trading deadline was yesterday.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: The big move was udub's own Kelsey Plumb, moving from
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the Sparks to the Phoenix Mercury, and Seafair came to
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: another glorious conclusion, another great year here in Seattle for Seafair.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Coming up next, Mariners Morning After. We do it after
• 21:53
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• 21:56
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• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Smacks left field how much as on a twenty Pigs con.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Three run home run cal Raley if the Mariners have
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: blown in open into seventh any eh, maybe not? Maybe
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: not huge? Uh turned out to be a very big
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: play for the Ms. Cal Raley a three run homer
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: made it six to nothing yesterday. Unfortunately, the Mariners blew
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that six nothing lead. The Twins scored five times in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the eighth and once more in the ninth against our
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: better relievers, our best relievers, to tie the score at
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: six to six, and then it took a Colt Emerson
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: walk off single to win that contest yesterday seven to six.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: So that's two in a row for the Mariners, who
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: woke up Saturday about his low as you can wake
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: up in the middle of a baseball season. But they've
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: now won two straight back to within three games of
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: five hundred, which is disgusting to say, three games out
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: of first place, two games out of the wild card,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and perhaps a renewed lease on life. As they get
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: ready for the trading deadline today at three pm. They
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: will have the day off and then take on the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers at home starting tomorrow night, and it could
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: be a depleted Tiger roster after today's deadline. We've had
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: all sorts of trade activity already this morning, and a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: lot yesterday as well. Just recap the stuff from today.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Phillies have already made two trades. They've traded
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: for Luis Arise, the all star second baseman of the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants, also left handed reliever Brooks Railey from
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the New York Mets, and the Toronto Blue Jays, after
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: trading Kevin Gosman yesterday to the Chicago Cubs, have acquired
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Jose Soriano from the Angels in exchange for the number
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: two prospect in their organization and a couple of other prospects.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And so the Blue Jays already thinking about next season
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: by acquiring Jose Soriano. Of course, some other news to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: pass along. Seafair came to an end yesterday the WNBA
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: trading deadline Yesterday saw Kelsey plumb to the Phoenix Mercury
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: from the Sparks Sounders fell to the Timbers over the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: weekend again, but this time just two to one. It
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: was at least closer. Jadebian Clowney signed with the Houston Texans.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: We are in the week of the Hall of Fame Game,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: so the preseason will start this weekend and of course,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: training camp continues right here from the Virginia Mason Athletic
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Center at his time on a very busy day, to
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: chat with Greg.
• 24:41
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• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Good morning, Greg, Good morning. A lot to catch up
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: on here today. My goodness, there's a lot going on
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: here today for a baseball junkie, that is uh well,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: but we brought you on to talk some Seahawks football.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So how was your weekend? How did you manage to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: uh to balance Ed Shearing and Seahawks training camp at
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the exact same time.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Well, fortunately, Seahawks don't practice at night. They have covered
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: training camps at hard night. They don't do that. So yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: that's how we got to. My wife got the Ed
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: Shearing with me on Saturday. Really good show by the way,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: about three hours.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, get you your money?
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he came out after the encore. He came
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: out of the Seahawks the great jersey that they were
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: against the Rams last December, but it didn't have a
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: number on It looked weird.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I could knockout for something.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: But I thought he should have had a Sam Donald
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: fourteen because he has a passing resemblance and red hair toald.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Gingers usually stick together, I've learned over the last eight years.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, he broke ranks with that. Yeah, it was weird,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: but to see that, yeah, it was a really really
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: good show it. I'm not a big and sheering guy.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: My wife is enjoyed it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, let's get caught up to date on
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: what we did see this weekend, including I don't know
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: what you call this, like a new contract gait, I
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: don't know JSN versus Devin Witherspoon tell us about the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: showdown that went down on day seven on Saturday.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: And at the highlight of the practice was one on
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: one passing in the red zone and inside the ten
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: yard line, and they lined up against each other and
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Samanta jigbeb just lowered his shoulder and went right into him,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: as if in the winds shoot, as if he's running
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: a straight go route into the end zone and then
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: he broke it off to the left and winterersprem grabbed
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: him and the NFL officials who were here this weekend
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: through the flag and then Darnold threw the ball anyway
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: it was on the line, went right over Witherspoon's head
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: and quite turned his head quickly enough, and Smith and
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: jig wikata for a touchdown, and Widerspoon was still ticked off.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: And I had used it as a lead to my
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: story at the news streaming because one is something you
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: never see in the regular season, obviously, but it also
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: was interesting because it's star against star, and it's the guy,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: the first round pick that they gave one hundred and
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: sixty eight million dollars to an NFL record for a
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: wide receiver this spring, versus the guy they're trying to
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: get a deal done to be the highest paid cornerback
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: in the league. And there aren't too many training camps
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: around the NFL that the highest paid wide receiver and
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: about to be highest paid cornerback or close to it
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: go head to head, and that happens every day out here,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: but it was on display in a drill and Yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: it was obviously the highlight of the day, but has
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: not publicly powdered. He's not held in, he's not said
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I'm not doing this or I'm not doing that. I'm
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: not scrimmaging. He's nick. Mike McDonald said Friday or Thursday
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: that he's really impressed by how he's handled all this professionally.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: And the Denzel Award. Signing the contract with Cleveland last
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: week seems to have complicated and at least got the
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: agents for both Christian Gonzalez and Witherspoon, who happened to
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: be just from the same agency and the same agents,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: by the way, Reggie Johnson from CIA. They look like
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: they're going back to the drawing board now. The Denzel
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: a Ward that's the highest paid contract and it may
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: add a couple hundred thousand dollars to the deal, a
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: sweeten it for each guy to go above ward.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Greg bellis with US Seahawks Insider as we are broadcasting
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: again here from Seahawks training camp here on a chillier
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Monday morning. Greg will be out here with his show
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: at ten o'clock. I know when Brian Fleury was hired
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to meet imediately, you know, people started thinking about, Okay,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: what could he bring that's a little different from Kubiak
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to this scenario. And then you look at his background
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and you see that he coached tight ends and he
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: had good tight ends and the forty nine ers used
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: their tight ends very smartly, and George Kittle became a star,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: if not a superstar in San Francisco, and he played
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a hand in that, at least in Brian Flury. So
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: we've done a lot of talking here in the last
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: few months about how that could impact the starter A. J. Barner.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: But they spent a second round draft pick on Elijah
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Arroyo just a year ago, and maybe we haven't spent
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: enough time talking about how Arroyo is going to benefit
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: from Fleury and the new offense. What are you figuring
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: out about that?
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Well, it's only been a week plus in camp, but
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: it looks like Arroyo is going to benefit quite a
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: bit from this. He's had a much more prominent role
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: already in a week than he did last year. He
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: only had fifteen catches in thirteen games, and the snaps
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: and his blocking still needs to improve and they're working
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: on that, but there's no doubt. Well, let me just
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: say a peers after week. We'll see what it ends
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: up being in September October, but appears so far that
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Brian Fleury's offense is going to feature tight ends more,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: and it's going to feature him down the field in
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: a deeper passing game. It's going to have more quick
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: motion right before the snap, and at times it looks
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: like it does remind you of the forty nine ers
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: because it looks like tight ends and fullbacks are almost
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: interchangeable sometimes. In fact, Robbie Oots has been practicing in
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: some of the position drills as a tight end blocking
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: offensive tackles, which of course what he did at the
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: University of Alabama before they convert him to a fullback
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: last season. So the point is tight ends and fullbacks
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: are a big part of their offense, and more so
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: than even with Klint Kobak, who didn't ignore them. But
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: they're moving them around, they put them in motion, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Arroyo getting out in space is exactly why they drafted him.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: We'll see how much in line tight end stuff they do,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: but they still have him in the slot, they still
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: have him doing it just reminds me a lot of
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Graham. How was a stand up tight end like
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Graham was ten years ago. But it is a good
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: chance here for a Royal to make a much stronger impact,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: maybe like a second round pick should. In this offense,
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: it looks like it's gonna be tight end heavy, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: that's an offensive coordinator that's a tight ends coach.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Makes sense. What's going on with the running back battle.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I got Emmanuel Wilson coming on at seven five, so
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'd like to know the skinny on that.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Well. Emany Wilson has had a few snaps with the
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: ones in some of the days, but it's still clearly
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Jeran Price and George Hallani as the starters alternating. It
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: depends sometimes on the day, but Saturday we'd last practice
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: say they were off. Yesterday Saturday was more a little
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: more of a Hallani as the first back at the
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: start of drives and then Price. It's still a lot
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: of throwing, including Wilson. Wilson runs heavier. He just he's
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: a bigger guy, not quite as tall. He's certainly not
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: as sleek as Price. He's a little taller than Hallani.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: He I'm gonna make some Sea York fans nervous when
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: I say this, He reminds me of Eddie Lacy, but
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: he's not nearly as heavy and he's not quite as big,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: but he runs like him, more of a thudder and
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: try to run you over type of guy. He also
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: wears Lacey's old number twenty seven that Lacey Warrior. Not
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: very distinguishingly, but he seems to be He's not quite
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: a bowling ball type of back, but he seems to
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: be the thunder to the more lightning type of price.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: We'll see if there's a role. Wilson has an not guaranteed,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: just above minimum salary deal for just one year, so
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: they have structured it where if they need If he
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: doesn't work out it, I don't think they look like
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: what they see there, then he may not make the team.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: But we talk all the time about how many running
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: backs they need, how many they go through, and how
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: injured position is. It appears there's a role for him,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: and he's just off the cusp of the ones doing
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: a love stuff with the two.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Greg Bell our guest our Seahawks inside. Of course, follow
• 33:10
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• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Greg there in your back pocket all year along as
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you follow the Seattle Seahawks, and of course he joins
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: us nearly every day at seven o five here on
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the program. So are we ready? Is HBO ready? Are
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: we ready for what we're going to see tomorrow night?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Are the Seahawks ready for what's going to be revealed
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night?
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Tomorrow night, it's the first third KNOXT episode. I don't
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: know that there'll be any secrets we'll see, but I
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: don't think there'll be any secrets. You'll see some of
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: the fighting that's been going on out that the pads around.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: You'll see Ryan Neil kicking the ball into the stands
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: and doing backward. Next he pungs into the end zone
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: like Lance. You'll see not riding Bud Caart gives me
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: the rick safety. You'll see Bud Clark meeting Richard Sherman
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: and talking to him with the microphone stuff we've already
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: seen in live. The nation will see that, and the
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: nation's going to see Devin Wooderspoon chatty and being my
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: life and the team and always chirping at people. But
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: they do, the Seahawks says, I understand it. Do get
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: a chance to review the episode about thirty six hours
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: before it airs, and they're not expecting to have to
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: use it. But if they did object to something that
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: got filmed and survived the editing process, they could raise
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: that concern to NFL Films in HBO before it airs,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: So there's some coordination and cooperation going on. McDonald said
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: they've talked quite a bit the production staff and the
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: team and him and the coaching staff about what seems
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: to be off out of bounds and not the air,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: and he doesn't think that's going to be a big deal.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: You are going to see a lot of Mike McDonald.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: They're featuring him and his isms and his twelve is
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: one and his team meetings and his walking talks that
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I talk about and his self deprecating. They released the
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: trailer last week to him saying I'm the most awkward
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: guy in the history of the country and all of that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: So the nation's going to get see a little more
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: even locally, We're gonna get see a little more of
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: him in behind the scenes and then team meetings and whatnot.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: That may end up being the more insightful part of
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably. Finally, I'll close with this Jadeveon Clowney signed
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: over the weekend with Houston, but as I understand it,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks were interested. He's got a relationship with Mike McDonald,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: so that at least tells me that they're not done
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: kicking the tires on. An addition to this, front seven correct.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Not only EDG Dresher, but defensive line interior as well.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Those are two areas that they constantly look at during
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: training camp. They have a history of signing guys in camp,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: through camp, and sometimes after cuts in the middle of
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: right for the regular season. A dirty little secret in
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: the NFL is guys of Genevian Clowney's age, stature, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: experience in the league. They usually don't sign contracts in July.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: They wait till later in August that Clowney did, so
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: that they don't have to go through the heat of
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: the grind of training camp. They just skip it and
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: wait to sign to the end. Not always, but some
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: guys really do say I'll just take a pass of
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: this is like my twelve camp. I don't think I
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: need to go to this August clip.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I don't care how nice they make it. Football players
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: are always gonna hate camp.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: The starters do because they know their jobs there, so
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: they're not auditioning for anything. They're just going through the
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: motions of doing it because they have to. But yes, Clowney,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: they were interested in. They did check him out and
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: they negotiate, and maybe the Houston's price was better. But
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: that won't be the last one of those that John
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Schneider goes for and looks at and considers and every
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: summer expect them to add a veteran defensive tack and
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: edge at about half the time they do.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: All right, man, what do you got planned for the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: show today?
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll talk to Castillo Chade. I think it's a
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: pretty it's almost a heist by Jerry Depoto to get
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: players and get the White Sox that take got into
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: all his salary. We're going to talk to trying to
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: talk to Scott Market, he's been for a quarter century
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: a beat writer for the White Sox back in Chicago
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: at MLB dot com about why the Sox did take
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: on all that many and who Seahawks are getting, who
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: the Mariners are getting back in that trade. You know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: check out you may have mentioned it, but part of
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: the reason that Jerry Depoto has been here this long.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Is for trades like this. Ownership loves this effect that
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: he unloaded Castillo's contract and got younger club control type
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: players back in return. Is that's how the business works.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it really doesn't make the team better
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: right now. So we'll see what they do before between
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: now and three pm today. But yes, it did clear
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: some stuff out and it cleared up the rotation for now,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: so I mean, they got more out of it than
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I thought that they would. And yet still, I mean,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: you know, we need to decide whether or not we're
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: going for this or not between now and three o'clock.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: All right, Greg, thank you sir, We appreciate it. We'll
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: see you soon, Okay, thank you, all right, Greg bell
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: our Seahawks insider joining us right here on Chuck and
• 38:22
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• 38:33
  Speaker 2: a few other headlines that didn't get to because we
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: had to get to Greg. Mauricio Pochettino has been re
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: signed by Team USA, so he will remain the head
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: coach of our soccer franchise. Also, Husky's camp's going to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: start on Thursdays. Well, more on that later on in
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the week. And that Little League Softball World Series team
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: out of Snohomish didn't fare so well on Sunday morning.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Apparently Lake Mary's got a hell of a team fourteen
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: to nothing. Yeah, yeah, so well you did get there though.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this Scott that they still play again. They
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: play again tomorrow.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Oh, I thought they were done.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: No double elimination, so they play tomorrow at seven.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, good to know. I thought that they
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: were eliminated. So boy, you learned something every second, all right?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Coming up next, ABC's of the MS Sports Radio ninety
• 39:26
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• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Chuck Pout, Ashley Ryan with you. We are broadcasting live
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: from the Virginia Mason Athletics Center as a SEAHOWKX training camp.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Continuing here today. We got you covered here on KJR,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: but it is deadline day. There's going to be mostly
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: baseball discussed, at least on this morning radio show. Uh.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: And since I'm the only person here at the set, Ashley,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I guess I can get away with that.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Huh, I think you ken. Yeah, you get to decide.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, by the way I am going to be Uh.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard this in our commercials as well.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: August sixth that's a Thursday. That's this Thursday. George Thorough
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Coold and the Destroyers are going to be at Talala
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: p Resort Casino. And yeah, I'm gonna be there a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: little prefunk from five to seven at the Circle Bar,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: right in the middle of the casino floor. And don't
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: make me drink alone is sort of the idea behind this.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: But I'm not just there to drink people's booze, you know.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm there to give away prizes as well. So if
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you want to come out, if you're going anyway, you
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: might as well come out a little bit early celebrate
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: with me in the Circle Bar. I will have some
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: prizes to give away. Also, if you are if I'm
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: catching you off guard with this, you can get tickets
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: at ticket Master right now to see George Thorough could
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: this Thursday at Talala p Resort Casino. Might as well
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: make a whole day out of it. Actually, don't even
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: get there at five get there at five am. And
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: then listen play at the casino. Yeah, play that at
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the casino all day long, and then at the night
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you come see me at five o'clock after you've refreshed
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: with a nice bath, and then watch George and the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Destroyers Thursday night. All right, let's get into the ABC's
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: of the MS. We are at the end of the alphabet,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and we will go with w WS for Wilson's Dan
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Wilson again. Ashley and I did the Tacoma game on Friday.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: But when I heard that he pinch hit Mitch Garver
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: for Victor Roblaze with the game on the line, a
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: really important game, I almost just threw myself into traffic.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Victor Roblaze had been six for his last twelve I mean,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: you're trying to get a guy. You're trying to keep
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the inning going, are you not. You know, you got
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a rally started, and Mitch Garver's
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: hitting one seventy and a right hander was on the mound,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: so you don't even have a good good matchup for
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: him there, and you took the contact hitting Roeblacee, who
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: had been hitting five hundred over his last twelve appearances,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and of course came through yesterday when you didn't take
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: him out of the game. You took him out so
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: that you could have your biggest swing and miss guy
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: on the entire roster step up to the plate. You
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: didn't need a three run homer. He just needed to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: keep the inning going. Yeah. So I didn't understand that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I mean I didn't get the entire because I again
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: did the Tacoma game on Friday, so I did not
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: get to watch Friday Night's Mariners game, and I certainly
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to go back to rewatch it the next day.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: But to hear on the way home that that's how
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that situation was handled just ridiculous.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a head scratchers.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: And those are the things that I that, you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: make it so frustrating about him, because I want him
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: to be smart and make smart choices and do well
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: and succeed. Obviously we all want that, but I would
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: like to find someone that could explain why that was
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: a good move.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't I don't understand it. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: then the other Wilson who we I guess are just
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: stuck with have been stuck with as our third baseman.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: West and Wilson. I don't know if his time is limited.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I would have I would imagine Stuart Fairchild that's going
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: to be shown the door when Brendan Donovan is activated.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: But we are expected to get Brendan Donovan back tomorrow
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: in time for the Tigers series, and so we shouldn't
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: see Weston Wilson at third base much longer, if at all,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: going forward. Maybe a little bit, but that's another thing
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: that is very hair pulling at this point. So maybe
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: we'll see an end to that, Wilson at least at
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: third base by tomorrow. X factor is X and Josh
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Naylor has to be it. Josh Naylor, who's had a
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: little bit of a frustrating season, certainly statistically overall, not
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: exactly what you were wanting from him after you gave
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: him a big contract in the offseason. I think he
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: might still be at negative war on the year, but
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: that goes back to some really sloppy defensive play and
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: obviously he's not hit for power this year. But we're
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: seeing a different Josh Naylor all of a sudden, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: if he's got to be the pied piper to lead us,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: if this is the edge that we need, that edge
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that we saw in Game one against the Dodgers. If
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: that's the edge that is going to be required going forward,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: then maybe Josh Naylor is showing up to be the
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: leader of this team at the perfect time. He willed
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: this team to wins on Saturday and Sunday. And I
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: know some other people contributed to that, and some other
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: guys came through in clutch moments, but Naylor getting both
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: of those rallies started, then his base running really being
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the key to both of those innings and those comebacks
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and those walk and to get all bloodied and scraped
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: up and one of the worst slides you'll ever see,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: but also one of the best base running moves we've
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: seen all year long. I mean, he just suckered Luke
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Keishel into thinking he was just pulling up at second
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: and then takes off toward third and caught him completely
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: off guard. Josh Naylor willed us to those two wins
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: on Saturday and Sunday, so better late than never. It
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: feels like Ashley a team that might be in need
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: of a leader right now. Josh Naylor seems to be
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: stepping up and stepping into that role. If by example,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: for no other reason.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing, if you I mean, you know,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: as fans, we watched him slide headfirst into third base
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: yesterday and thought, oh my gosh, that had to hurt,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: and look at him, just life and limb, you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: giving life and limb to keep this game going for
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: the Mariners and try to help them get the wins.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: So if the fans reacted that way, I can't imagine
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: that the player reaction was any less. I mean, the
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: players had to have been like, all right, look at
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: what he just did for us.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Luis Castile was one of our leaders and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: he's no longer here. JP Crawford was one of our leaders.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: He's had a frustrated year, frustrating ear, and now he's
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: on the injury list. Cayl Raley is one of the leaders,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: and yet he's hitting one sixty two on the season.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: There is a spot here for somebody to step up
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and become the leader here down the stretch, and Josh
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Naylor looks like a different Josh Naylor. He's not playing
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: lackadaisically in the field. He's kind of fixed that he's
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: still not hitting home runs, but he's playing through an injury,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: that's very clear, and I think over the weekend, I
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: think he almost willed us to that win on Friday
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: as well. So Josh Naylor has certainly he's turned a page.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: There's no lasadaisical play on his part anymore. He's showing
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: up like a warrior every single night here in this
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: weekend series and it's hopefully gonna rub off on the
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: rest of the roster. Why is for Yorksha because we
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: signed Sir Anthony Dominga, Yes, definitely, yes, a little bit.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: But Anthony is a night Hi Caliba. You know, he's
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: not very good. Perfect okay, but he's not very good.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: But everybody keeps thinking they see the talent. He's got
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of talent, and they want to thrust him
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: into high leverage rules. That's what the White Sox did.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: They started with him this season as their closer, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: he struggled in that role. And I think anybody, I
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: mean Domingas was in Philadelphia and Baltimore before that. I
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: think anybody in Philadelphia and Baltimore and Toronto Gino hit
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: up Grand Gino's Grand Slam in the playoffs, was officer
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Anthony Domingez. I think anybody that had had him before
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: would have told you the same thing. That's a mistake.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, he canna be a valuable piece. He throws
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: one hundred. You know, he dominates right handers, but don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: put him in high leverage roles. That's not what he's
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: gonna be. But we don't need him to be that
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: since they demoted him into more of a low leverage reliever.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: He's been actually really good as of late, and his
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: numbers are fine for the season, and lately they've been
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: really good and he's dominated right he's all season long.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: So there is a niche that he can fill on
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: this team to be our and with Bizardo struggling, probably
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: our fourth guy now out of the bullpen, with Bizardo
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: getting demoted, but he will certainly give this bullpen a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: little bit more depth. He's not worth the seven million
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: they're paying him this year. He's not gonna be worth
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: the ten he's they're gonna pay him next year. But
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: under the circumstances, you knew if you were trading Castillo,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: you were gonna have to take on a bad contract,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and this was the White Sox version of a bad contract.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: And so I think he'll help the team. I actually
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about this at eight o'clock. I
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: think Luis Castillo, if he would have accepted a bullpen role,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: would have been a more effective piece out of our
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: pen than what Dimingez is going to be. But I
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: do believe that it clears up the starting rotation, and
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I think Dimingas as long as he's put in the
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: right role, can be effective for the team this year.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: All right, good?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And finally, see is for zeus and that I mean,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: if the Mariner starters are gods, then Luis Castillo was
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: their Zeus. He was the leader of the team. He
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: was the veteran that calmed them. But you know, somethings
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: as great as he was in that role, and he
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: was an outstanding teammate, and they all loved him, and
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: he was the leader of that starting pitching rotation. They
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: don't need him anymore. Gilbert, Kirby, Wu and Miller are
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: not wet behind the ears rookies anymore. We didn't, they didn't.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: They don't need his leadership anymore. They've gotten the lesson
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and they now can become leaders of their own. They
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: now can all take that next step forward. Kate Anderson
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: is better than Luis Castillo at this point, and so
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: and all five of those guys that are remaining are
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: better than Luis Castillo at this point. And I think
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Luis Castillo can add something to the Chicago White Sox,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and you do miss something that he delivers to the
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Mariners off the field. But I just don't think the
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: group needs it anymore. They're ready, they're ready to fly,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: and they they're well beyond that moment. So yeah, we
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: say goodbye to the leader of our starting rotation. And
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: yet it was time to move on from him, and
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: so goodbye zeus. All right, Emmanuel Wilson's going to join
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: us next here at our set and rent in Sports
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Radio ninety three point three kha RFM. Hey the Block hour,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Chuck Powell and Ashley Ryan with you here on this
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: beautiful Chris Monday morning at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Camp coverage continues starting with us every morning right here
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: at Sports Radio ninety three point three KRFM. Of course,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk a whole lot of football
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: here today. We've got trade deadline today and it's at
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: three o'clock and this is a holiday that should be
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: celebrated the world over. I believe that it is, and
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: so we will pay attention to the holidays, otherwise we
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: will come off as sacrilege. So we will get into
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: all of it for you here, including the one Mariners
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: trade that they made over the weekend and what it
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: does mean going forward and what could happen today. But
• 51:58
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  Speaker 2: this morning? I just I mean I've waited two hours
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  Speaker 2: to ask and five iron surprise you with like a
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: bouquet of flowers and like a gift under the trade
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: deadline tree or anything like that. How did the how
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: did the medley celebrate the trade deadline day today? On
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: all the ears?
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you brought me breakfast in bed and I was like,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: oh my god.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: In the morning, He's like, but it's trade deadline day
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: and I don't sleep and I was like, yeah, I know,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: me neither.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: And then and then we just sat around and we
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: opened our stockings.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: There's stockings for every sports.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Occasion, every sports occasion, because what else are you going
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: to hang from the hearth?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we needed a new new use for stockings anyway,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, come on now.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: So we we opened those, and he got me to
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: the pack of trading cards.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: And actually, neither one of us, I'm just putting this together,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: neither one of Ashley and I discussed before we came
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: on the show today. Neither of us slept very well
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: last night, and it probably is because of the enthusiasm
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: trade deadline day, and in your particular case, you couldn't
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: wait to find out what five Iron did to celebrate.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's definitely why I couldn't sleep. So, yeah,
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: it'll be it'll be great. I mean, I'm not gonna
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: nap today because you still can't sleep till after three o'clock.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: But right, that's gonna be really hard hard for us
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: to do here.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: So it might be a three h five nap.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Well, then I gotta go on with Softia four today,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: So I don't know how we're gonna pull this off.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: It's tough for you anyway, I guess since we're up
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: and we're at it, we might as well break it
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: all down for you. But the Mariners did make a
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: trade over the weekend. Look Friday night, I mean, it
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: was looking as grim as it could look, and Mariners
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: lose to the Minnesota Twins, having blown an early lead
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: in that contest, having fallen five games under five hundred,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: which I never thought was gonna happen. Again, it happened
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: earlier in the year, so it matched the lowest, you know,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: mark under five hundred that the Mariners had had. But now,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're we're closing in on the end of July,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: and to be well, we're past the end of July,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: we're into August now, and to be five games under
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: five hundred in August, man never never in a million
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: years saw that coming for this team, this roster, this
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: organization in twenty twenty six. But that was the reality.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So when we wake up Saturday morning, we wake up
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: to news that everything's on the table, including the Mariners
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: performing in a cell mode. Potentially. Randy or Rose Arena
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: George Kirby were the names being thrown around in all
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: of the rumor circles Saturday. By Saturday morning, and yet
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: the team does get an afternoon win over the Minnesota Twins,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: and so suddenly you're wondering if they would not be
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: in cell mode, if that would have talked them out
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: of getting into cell mode. I mean, that's how crucial
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: these games. I mean, one game can flip a team's
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: mindset from buyers to sellers at this time of the year.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe it shouldn't, but it can. So we're sitting there
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: speculating that, oh man, they lose this and they probably
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: are going to be all in on an A Rose
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Arena and or Kirby trade before Monday, and instead they
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: get the victory, and then what happens next Then they
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: do make a trade, but for the pitcher they desired
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: to trade most in this process all along, that being
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Luis Castillo to the Chicago White Sox in exchange for
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: relief pitcher Sir Anthony Dominguez Yorshaw, outfielder Nolan Jones Owns,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: who really is a non factor in this trade. And
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: then prospect Boston Smith, who has been turning some heads
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: this year but was a top twenty prospect in the
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: White Sox organization. It's going to be a top twenty
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: prospect in the Mariners organization. So I know he's put
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: up some good numbers this year, but the rankings that
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: are made for prospects, does do his skills translate to
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: the major leagues, And there's some doubt about that. So
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: this isn't one of the White sox best prospects despite
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: the good numbers that he's put up. Left handed hitting
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: catcher that we now add to our minor league system,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: and not a bad pick up under the circumstances. As
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I've told you throughout this process, I didn't think Luis
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Castillo's trade value. I didn't know what you could really get.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I thought you could get either a Boston Smith type
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: or you take on a bad contract, which isn't quite
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: as bad as the contract you're giving up. And the
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Mariners pulled off where they ended up getting both. They
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: ended up getting a prospect and a pitcher that should
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: help contribute to this team. But that the White Sox
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: really didn't want Deminguez at seven million dollars if he
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: wasn't gonna be their closer, didn't want him at ten
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: million dollars next season, and so you kind of got both.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: You got a bad contract, but not a terrible one.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: In Demingez. Not as bad as it could have been, right,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: not long lasting ramifications potentially, and you got the prospect.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: So I think they got more than what I thought
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: they would get for Luis Castillo. That said, let's make
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: no mistake about it, this trade does not make the
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Mariners better. No, I think you could have moved Luis
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Castillo to the bullpen. I don't care if he makes
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: twenty four million dollars a year. I think that you
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: could have moved him to the bullpen and you would
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: have had a better relief pitcher in Castillo than what
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you got in Sir Anthony Dominguez. So you get a
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: prospect out of it. You save some money this year,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: certainly get twenty four million dollars off your books for
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: next year, which should help build the off season. But
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: if you're still about winning this season, this trade does
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: not make you better than what you were with Luis
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Castillo on the roster. But it did clear money, and
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: it did clarify who your starting rotation is right now
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: for the rest and we don't have to worry about
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: piggybacking anymore or six man rotations. We can just lock
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: in on the five and move forward. With Kate Anderson
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: performing in some sort of role soon I would think
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: on this team, most likely out of the bullpen, but
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: perhaps he will crack the starting rotation. And certainly if
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: one of the five go down between now and the
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: end of the year, then it's an easy call up
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: of Kate Anderson and he takes that spot in the rotation,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: but it sets up Ashley for later on. Today, you've
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: now won two straight games, ye, And you did get
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: to trade the pitcher that you most desired to move,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: and you have created some money flexibility for yourself and
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: so from that standpoint, you did accomplish some things. But
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: now we have till now and three o'clock to find
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: out what their plan is going to be to try
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: to make this team better, if that's even part of
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: their plan between now and three.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think one of the things we've been
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: hearing you know as well, we will get better when
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: we get Donovan back and when we you know, are
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: which is true I would hope, but I don't know
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: if that is enough, because again we was questionable at
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: third base. Offensively great for us, and I appreciated his efforts,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: and I mean he hustles and I think Start sets
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: this team off on a good note when he's in games,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: and I think we's been greatly missed. But I just
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: I wonder if they've got anything up else at their sleeve,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: And I find myself hoping they've got something else up
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: their sleeve, but then also worried that they've got something
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: else up their sleeve that I won't like, like trading
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: when I don't want them to trade.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: That's a That's a good way of putting it, for sure. Look,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I think they have everything it takes to win the division.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Like Jim Moden told us two weeks ago, they don't
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: have to add anything. Yeah, and they should still win
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: this division, if not run away with it. Now. Houston
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: might say have something to say about it. They've obviously
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: started playing their best baseball as of late, and they
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: sound like they are actively seeking. They are certainly buying
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: with a two and a half game lead in the division,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: and probably will add something to their team, probably a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: starting pitcher between now and three o'clock. That said, I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: still think we have the better roster than the Houston Astros,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: but we haven't played better than them, and we haven't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: played good baseball for any stretch of time at any
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: time this year. That's it is, It really is. But
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: you do add Brendan Donovan and three games out of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: first place, two games out of the wild card. I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: mean they've bought at the trading deadline in a more
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: dire situation than that. That's what gave us Randy or
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Rose Arena in the first place. Yeah, so at this stage,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I think you have to be buyers today. I think
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: that you need to add something. And the problem is
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: we've seen what the market is bearing that you can
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: get a left handed hitter like Luisa Rise for very
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: little in return. I mean, the Phillies gave up a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: decent package, probably what he's worth on the market. But
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: they just added a three point thirty hitter, an all
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: star second baseman for their number four prospect in their organization,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: and a middle reliever. So that just happened today. So
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: left handed hitters are available on the market. Right handed hitters,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: it seems like, you know, you got to take out
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: a loan from you know, Lloyd's of London, you know,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: in order to have the trade capital that's going to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: be required to get a right handed hitter, which is
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: why they're considering trading Randy A. Rose Arena at this point,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: because man, if the market is so, if the market
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: is suggesting that a guy like Curtis Mead is worth
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: one of the best young pitchers in the Red Sox organization,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Connelly Early, then if we trade an even better right
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: handed hitter in Randy A. Rose Arena, what is someone
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: willing to pay for Randy Rose Arena out there? I mean,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Boston's already lost Curtis Mead to injury. He's gonna be
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: gone for a month and a half, so they're still
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: looking for a right handed hitter to play left field.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you have another Conley Earlier lying around?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: What might you have that not only makes sense to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: us for the future, but might make sense for us
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: right now. Could you give us something right now that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: helps us, but at the cost of giving up our
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: most consistent offensive player this entire season. I don't think
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: George Kirby is still available. I think the Luis Castillo
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: trade has taken George out of the equation. I do
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: think George is gonna be traded this offseason just to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: brace you. But I felt like that for a really
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: long time. But I think that that the Cato trade
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: has eliminated the thought. I mean, think about how reluctant
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: they were to trade Castillo for gonna say, because they
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: didn't want to give up starting pitching. It's too valuable, boyd.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: The moment you give up starting pitching, you're gonna need
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: it the very next days. That's been their marching orders.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: That's been what they've said about this scenario, even though
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: I've tried to trade Luis Castillo both of the last
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: two off seasons. I've been trying to make a trade
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: of Luis Castillo to avoid what we've had this year,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: and they decided not to do it. So I can't
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: imagine after all of that, that they're now going to,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: in the span of seventy two hours, trade two of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: their proven starting pitchers. So I think George Kirby is safe.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a trade out there that they're
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: going to make. I think there's a reason that the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Cubs went after Gosman last night because they probably hit
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: a dead end with the Mariners trying to get George Kirby,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: and the Mariners decided Kirby's no longer available because we've
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: already traded Castillo. All Right, so I don't think that
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the that's a threat. I don't know, Ashley, what they're
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: gonna do with a Rose Arena at this point. I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: still think they might be entertaining it because the market
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: is saying that right handed hitters are worth their weight
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: in gold right now in Major League Baseball. So the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: point is, if the Mariners can't get a right handed
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: hitter on the market to add to the team because
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: the market's asking for way too much, then the alternative
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: creative way to think about it, at least running it
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: through the Mariners prism, is well, then why don't we
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: trade our right handed hitter who's been an issue in
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: our clubhouse this season, has tremendous value, certainly more than
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Curtis Meade, And maybe we can get something to help
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: us this year, help us in the future. And that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: does not prohibit us from still looking for more offensive
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: talent between now and three o'clock. So I do think
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Randy or Rose Arena probably is in play, but I'm
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: not sure that he should be right.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: That's the thing I mean.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: I suppose if you if somebody's going to overpay you
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: for him, and you're gonna get a lot more than
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: you should have just because he's a right handed hitter.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Then yeah, you'd be an idiot not to consider it.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: But I just, yeah, the idea that you're instantly making
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: your offense worse, which has been that has been your problem, right,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: Your pitching is your strength, your offense is your weakness,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: and you're going to then make it worse. I just
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: I can't wrap my head around that one, right.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I still think that this is probably gonna
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: come down to whether or not Josh Naylor, cal Raley,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: and Julio Rodriguez get going. No matter what, whether we
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: have a Rose arena or don't have a Rose arena,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: it's probably going to come down to those two, at
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: least two of those three figuring something out. Over the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: course of the last couple of months of the year.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: I think we've seen a little bit of change in Naylor.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I think we've seen a little bit of change in
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: cal but it's still not enough. We need them to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: be productive offensive players down the stretch. But until they
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: can show us that, how do you move on from
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: a Rose arena who I think contributed mightily to those
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: two wins on Saturday and Sunday. Yeah, especially, I don't
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: think Randy doesn't hustle because he'd think. I don't even
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: know if it's by choice. I think Randy's just got
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: a weird filter in his head. But he's rubbed teammates
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the wrong way since he was a Saint Louis Cardinal,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: and he did with the Tampa bay Rays, and I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: think that he has with the Seattle Mariners. And there
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: is an argument to be made that even if they
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: did trade him, We've seen it just two years ago
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: with the Detroit Tigers, who beat us out for a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: playoff spot two years ago after they sold at the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: trading deadline and got rid of a few veterans that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: they didn't like having in the clubhouse, and they ended
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: up after at the deadline going on a run that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: got them into the playoffs in twenty twenty four. And
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: so is Randy or Rose Arena such a problem that
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: it is additioned by subtraction and by in getting him
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: out of the locker room. And you could also add
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: probably a piece for now and the nice piece for
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: the future by moving him before the deadline. Today. I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: don't have the answer to that. I don't know how
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: big of a problem that he has been in the clubhouse.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: But I know he has been to some degree. And
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of you have complained about boy,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: you chose now to loaf after that ball, or loaf
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: around the base pads, or you made that decision on
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: the base pads. So there is an issue there. But
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I just I mean, I watched a guy that contributed
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: to those two wins. I mean, he hustled home on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Saturday with the game winning run and scored it. I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: gotta keep him. I gotta keep him. I gotta keep George,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: and I gotta try to make it into the playoffs
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: this year and then test that theory that once you're
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: in and you've got great starting pitching, that anything can happen.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: That's the way that I've got to approach this between
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: now and three o'clock. So not only do I not
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: want to trade a Rose Arena and or Kirby, I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: still think they stay on the path or should stay
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: on the path of adding something to this team that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: can make it give it the edge that it may
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: or may not need in tracking down Houston and winning
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: this division.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like if you trade a Rose Arena,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Kirby thing would just make me furious
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: if you trade a rose arena though, it feels like
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: you're half in, half out.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I that is just my least favorite.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: That's your least favorite.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're half in half out of the trade deadline.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, if we're terrible, be be, don't make
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: a move or sell, Okay, sure, but in this case
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: where we're kind of in this middle place, just.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, then don't do anything.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: Don't do anything big, don't don't sell someone that's a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: key piece of our offense to bring in someonet. I mean,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: it just feels like you're making a move to make
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: a move, and I don't want it.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Huh. Well, I don't think it would be that. It
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: would be more of what you were angry about before, yeah,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: than that is trying to get cute and doing a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: buy sell. Yeah. I don't. Yeah, I don't typically like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: that myself, so to me, I mean, look what the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yankees did yesterday. They added Luis Garcia. The Yankees have
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: just as much of a left handed well not as much,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: but they have a problem against lefties too. Everybody lines
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: up lefties against them because without Aaron Judge in the lineup,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: it's Chisholm and Wells and Bellinger when he's healthy, and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Ryan McMahon. They just get to kind of eliminate all
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: of those guys from their lineup. It's why they they've
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: been struggling, it's why they've come back to the pack
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: and they're not that dangerous. But what did they add
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: over the weekend? A left handed hitter? So I know
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: that they tried the market and just felt like it
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: will cost too much to get a righty like Boston
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: way overpaid for Curtis Mead. I mean, that was an
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: insane price to add Curtis Mead, and I think major
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: league teams are like, man, if that's what the market
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: price is for a right handed hitter, forget it. And
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: the Yankees just decided, well, let's just get a left
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: handed hitter. Let's just get a guy that we know
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: that can hit. And if we're still vulnerable against lefties,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: so be it. But he's still going to be He
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: still is going to improve our offense. He's going to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: upgrade our offense. Maybe not ideally what we wanted to get,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: but we got a guy that is better and makes
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: our lineup better. And maybe that's what the Mariners have
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: to do today is even if it's a lefty, even
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: if it's a Kyle Stowers from the Marlins or or
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Liam Hicks from the from the Marlins. If that's a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: bat that helps improve your offense, then so be it.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: And I guess we'll just roll the dice on some
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: of our right handed hitters coming around here down the stretch,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: uh and performing better against lefties. But that's where we stand.
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  Speaker 2: As far as I see it, I think it would
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  Speaker 2: be rather disappointing if we find out that Kirby and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: or a rose Arena are traded between now and three o'clock.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: It's gonna have to be one creative sucker if I'm
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: gonna like it. And yet, we'll see how aggressive a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: team three games under five hundred is going to be
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: that today's trading deadline. We'll talk more about it a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: little bit later on that. Let's recap that crazy game
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  Speaker 2: next baseball brunch. We haven't done it in a while.
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  Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three k A r F M. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: all right, good morning to you all. The sun is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: out here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center training camp
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: getting ready to start again a new today. As We
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: have you covered right here at Sports Radio ninety three
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: point three kJ RFM, your favorite radio station and the Galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Chuck Poll. Ashley Ryan with you as
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: well as we start a brand new week of training
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: camp coverage. But today today, not much training camp day talk. Frankly,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just in trade deadline mode and no one can
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: get me out of it. Emmanuel Wilson tried to tackle
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: me a little earlier, try to give me, uh not
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: well for him, no good, no, right now he's tied
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: to a goalpost.
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  Speaker 3: Yah, I'll try to teach you to keep us away
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: from MLBT.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Much younger, he's much Yeah, he's much younger, he's much stronger,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: he's much more agile. Yeah, yeah, he's got he's got
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of advantages over me. But you know what
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have. What's that art art like I do
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  Speaker 2: for the trading deadline?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just makes me superhuman really, and so anyway, somebody's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: gonna have to untie him before practice starts today, and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: we are going to talk some more Major League Baseball
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: trading deadline for our final hour here today. Again, nothing
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: so far from the Mariners. There have been a couple
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: of trades already here this morning. The Phillies have acquired
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: all star Luisa Rise from the San Francisco Giants for
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: a couple of prospects, not a big not a big
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: price tag there for Luisa Rise. More on that in
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: a moment. Jose Soriano also traded today. Very peculiar thing
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: there as well. Where the Toronto Blue Jays sold on
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Kevin Gossman yesterday to the Chicago Cubs, and yet they
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: bought on Jose Soriano from the Blue Jay and gave
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: up their second best prospect in their organization today. Didn't
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: make sense right off the bat, but you only have
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: to dig one layer deep and find where it does
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: make sense. They are not in it for this year,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: but have decided that, hey, there's our opportunity to get
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: a starting pitcher for next season. Things didn't come together
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: for us, but we believe in our roster. I mean
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: it came within a cleat of winning the World Series
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: a year ago. I don't know why we've been so
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: bad this year, but we're not planning to be bad
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: next year. This might be our opportunity to get a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: good quality pitcher who's under club control in Soriano where Gosman.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: He's going to be gone at the end of the year,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: and so we might as well trade him for a piece.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: So that's why they did that. As far as the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Arise piece in all of this said, I'd circle back
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: for this reason. We were talking about whether or not
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: the Mariners should buy today, and I think that they
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: should think they should be. I think they owe it
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: to themselves. You know, I don't think it's look. Yes,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: I believe that the fan base deserves for you to
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: look for every opportunity to get to the World Series
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: every single year, especially until you finally do get there.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: So I think the fan base deserves it, but I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: think the organization deserves that the players deserve it. I
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: think Jerry and Justin owe it to themselves. They really
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: felt they'd put together their best roster to date here
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: in the Depoto era, and yeah, it hasn't gone the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: way they've wanted it to go. They're three games under
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: five hundred, for goodness sake, but only three games out
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: in the division, only two games out in the wild Card.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I still believe in the roster. They just have not
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: played well this year. But we saw a little bit
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: of urgency on Saturday and Sunday. So maybe maybe we're
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: in store. We still got two full months remaining on
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: this Major League Baseball season, and Ashley, I think forget fans,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: forget forget you. I think Jerry and Justin owe it
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: to themselves in the organization not to abandon this thing
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: at this stage.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, especially to the fans in the organization.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: The fans, I would say, mostly because it's so like
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: just the idea that what the fans really kind of
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: have put up with over the years, and the idea
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: that we're not out of it and we're close. And
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: if you were to sell Kirby and a Rose Arena
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: and then now so, I mean, I would be done
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: watching baseball for the next two months, that's for sure.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I want them to go for it.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: And but but but if they really are balking at
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: the prices, and a lot of people are for right
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: handed hitting, which seems to be the most valued commodity.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: It's always starting pitching, but this year it seems to
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: be right handed hitting is the valued commodity on the
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: trade market. So if people are just driving too hard
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: a bargain for right handed hitting, we need offense. I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: don't mind making the move to the left handed hitter
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: like the Yankees did. The Yankees needed a right handed
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: hitter more than they needed a left handed hitter, but
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: they made that move. And so if cj. Abrams is available,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: see what it takes to get him. I just see
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: what it takes. Yeah, yeah, Cask, Yeah, you might as
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: well ask. Of course, we did trade Luis Castillo, so
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: we might not be thinking about trade and Emerson Hancock,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: which might have been a big part of that. But
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: if there's a left handed hitter, I know we're adding Donovan,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: which is another left handed hitter, back to the equation.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: And I know we're vulnerable, but any kind of upgrade
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: offensively i'd appreciate between now and three o'clock, and I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: think the majority of the fan base would as well.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: But we'll sit here and wait and see. Mode we
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: have six more hours. This is supposed to be a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: wild and crazy day. I'm sure that it's going to be.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, normally on trade deadline day, we don't even
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: get a move to discuss on our show, and you
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: know before ten o'clock, and this year, even with the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: deadline being extended into three pm today, we are still
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: already getting moves this morning, so I think it's going
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: to be a crazy day, and I hope for reasons
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: of adding that the Mariners are involved between now and three.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: But let's talk about Trek's schooble, because this is the
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: big conversation, not just in baseball, but in the entire
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: sports world. And Tarrek's schooble got moved, of course, from
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: the Detroit Tigers to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Over the weekend.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: It was the trade everybody was waiting for what it
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: unlocked the market. It certainly has. And I said on
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Friday with Travis Moger filling in for Ashley, that we
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: went through a few possibilities of what's going to happen
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: over the weekend, and I did say I want him
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: to go to Milwaukee. I would love for schoobl and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Miz to try to take out the Dodgers in the playoff.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Would have been fun.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: But I think he's gonna go to the Los Angeles Dodgers,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: and that's exactly where he ended up. And so there's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: this big conversation over the weekend about how broken baseball is,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: and certainly I want to address that. There are there
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: are gonna be a few opinions, so you're gonna hear
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: the rest of the As a matter of fact, this
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: is the only time you're gonna hear this opinion all
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: day long on KJR, because the immediate reaction started, you know,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: from friends of ours, Kevin Shockey. I saw it first,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: our old KJR employee, very smart guy, very good baseball guy.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: And then I turn on the radio this morning, the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: first thing I hear from a national guy is the
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: same take that Kevin Shockey had. And then I saw
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: that Softy the same take earlier this morning when he
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: woke up and was thinking about this, And I promise
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: you going to have this take in his show, and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: he's gonna have the Mollywop guys on and they're gonna
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: have the same take. And I'm here to tell you
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: that even though I love and respect all of those
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: guys as friends, well I don't know if I'm friends
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: with the Mollywop guys, but friends and co workers, and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: they do great jobs on their shows, and you should
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: listen every single second of every single day. They're wrong
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: about this. They're wrong. They've got the wrong take on this.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Every single one of them and this goes for a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: lot of you listening right now as well that have
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: this same take, and that take is that the Dodgers
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: aren't what's wrong in baseball. It's everybody else and not
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: spending and not getting Trek Scooble that's wrong with major
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: League Baseball. And that is just inaccurate. The Dodgers are
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: the problem right now in Major League Baseball, so much
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: so that the league is allowing the Dodgers to do this.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: They want the Dodgers to do this. It's why they
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: haven't cracked down on some of their moves that they've
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: made over the years, including all of their deferred payments,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a moment. They want them
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: to make the system appear broken because they are getting
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: ready for a collective bargaining agreement like never before in
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: the history of the sport. They want a salary cap
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: like the NFL has a salary cap, like the NBA
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: has a salary cap, the NHL. Everybody's got a salary cap,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: but Major League Baseball and those leagues don't have to
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: deal with ninety percent of their fan bases complaining and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: belly aching about their owner being cheap and not spending
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: enough money to make them more competitive. And there is
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: an argument on the other side, which was shared by
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal and Bob Costas last night during the broadcast
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: of the Red Sox and Dodgers game, in which the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: argument that is going to be used by the Players
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Association and many others is that the Milwaukee Brewers have
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: a better record than the Los Angeles Dodgers. They do,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: and they are a small market club. But that has
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: never been my point, not on this radio station, because
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: I know that the smaller market teams can be competitive
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: with the big market clubs like the Mets and the
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Dodgers and the New York Yankees. They can be a
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: competitive with them. Can they crank out the annual team
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: that should be a powerhouse, No, but they can be competitive.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: And I think that history has proven that there is
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: more There is more balance in Major League Baseball in
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: terms of who wins the World Championship and who wins
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: that makes the playoffs than there is in the National
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Football League. That is a statistical fact. Yeah. Okay, so
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: that is all true what Ken Rosenthal and Bob Costers
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: are saying last night. But what baseball has to contend
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: with that other leagues don't have to contend with is
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: that their customers don't believe that that's true. Their customers
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: believe that it is broken and unfair, and that their
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: team does not stand a chance, and they would stand
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: a chance if only their cheap ass owners would get
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: off their duffs and spend money on the product. That's
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: what the belief is with about nine out of ten
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: baseball fans or even baseball detractors, people that don't watch
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: baseball because of this reason. Baseball, as I've repeated numerous times,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: has a perception problem. It's not a competitive balance problem.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: It is a perception problem. Their customers perceive that the
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: only reason that their favorite team can't win the World
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Series is because their owner is cheap. And that goes
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: from the New York Yankees to the Seattle Mariners all
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: the way down to the Tampa bay Rays. And so
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: when people respond with the problems not the Dodgers, it's
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: everyone else. Accurate statement, because the Dodgers are the outliers
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: in all of this. There are small market clubs in
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. They all act like small market clubs,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: mid market clubs. They all act like mid market clubs.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Large market clubs. They all act like large market clubs.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: There are only two outliers in the sport, the San
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Diego Padres, a small market club that's been trying to
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: act like a big market club, and they filled their stands.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a fever in San Diego. Most of
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: that has to do with the Chargers leaving, but there
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: is a fever for Padres baseball in San Diego. But
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: the only reason they started acting that way is because
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: their owner had a dying wish, literally a death wish
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: to win a World Series before he passed away. He
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: was diagnosed with a terminal illness and he was going
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: to take his children and grandchildren some of their inheritance
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: and try to win a World Series before he passed away.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, because he's a parent, a very nice guy,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: he didn't beat the clock. And now his team is
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: up for sale, and the San Diego Padres are gonna
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: go to a team, go to an owner who's gonna
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: run it like a small market club. I mean, it
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: would not be this way one hundred percent across the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: board if there wasn't some truth to the Milwaukee Brewers
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: can't really afford or the Detroit Tigers can't afford to
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: keep Trek Skoobel on a sixty million dollars per year contract.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: There's gotta be some truth to it, otherwise the entire
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: league would not act this way. And the Los Angeles
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Dodgers are on the other side. They are the outlier
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: on the other side because they don't just act like
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: a big market club. They act like a big market
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: club on steroids. They have one point one billion dollars
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: in player salaries deferred to the future. One point one
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: billion dollars deferred to the future. Why on earth is
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: this being allowed by Major League Baseball? Because they want
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: to crash and burn. They want it to look like
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: it's so unfair that people will agree to a salary
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: cap in the contract negotiation. So what does that one
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: point one billion dollars in deferred payments do Well, it
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: makes the Dodgers unfairly advantageous in free agency because they're
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: not even spending real money right now. They're ruining the
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: entire marketplace in free agency because they're using money that
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: they don't even have to pay right now. They're deferring
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: it into the future and apparently are going to suffer
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: for it. Someday, but I guarantee you they've got a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: plan for why they won't suffer from it someday. But
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, and no other team
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: knows what it is either, because although some have used
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: the deferred payment system, nobody is anywhere close to where
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers are. And that gets us to the Schoobale trade,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: because this is what is not being men by all
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: of those that believe that the problems not the Dodgers,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: it's everyone else in the sport, and that is this.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: When Scooble is available, the Dodgers just get to sit
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: back and wait for best offer. The Milwaukee Brewers wanted
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Trek Scooble. The Milwaukee Brewers know he's not going to stay.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: They can't afford him, so they truly are only going
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: to rent him for two months and the playoffs, and
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: they were willing to pay a premium. The premium is
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: a guy with an expiring contract two months of one.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Soto was worth three decent prospects, a thirty two year
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: old catcher, and a reliever. That's what Juan Soto went
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: when he went from the Nationals to the Padres. Juan
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Soto went for five prospects who the Nationals are rebuilding around,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: but with only two months left on the deal, they
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: only got three decent prospects, a thirty two year old
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: backup catcher and a relief pitcher with starting pitcher upside
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: in Michael King and he's turned out for the San
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Diego Padres. But that's the value. That's as that's as
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: rich a trade offer has ever been given for a
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: rental in the history of the sport. Well, the Dodgers
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: ended up giving up two top prospects, one great one,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: a top twenty five guy, and another one who's considered
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: a top fifty guy, who who the Tigers apparently like
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: even more than the top twenty five guy, plus a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: third prospect. So that is market value and a little
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: bit more for a rental in Major League Baseball. And
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: yet everybody's saying everybody should have spent more. The Milwaukee
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Brewers are gonna get two months out of Schooble, and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: they're supposed to give away fourteen years of control over
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: their two of their best prospects. They're just not going
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: to do it. Where the Dodgers have the opportunity to say,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: we'll do it, We'll top any offer that you get,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: because not only can we pay schoople, we are going
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: to keep him. I mean, you're gonna give a lot
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: more for a guy that you know you're gonna keep
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: beyond two months, are you not? Well, the Dodgers just
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: sit in this catbird seat and say, tell us what
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: their best offer is. We'll top it. And not only
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: do we get the player, we don't run the risk
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: of losing him because we know we're gonna re sign him,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: even if we have to defer three trillion dollars into
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: the future. We'll resign him. He'll stay a Dodger. He'll
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: love it here. He'll want to play with Freeman, he'll
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: want to play with Otani, he'll want to be a Dodger.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: He'll want to live in southern California. And we're gonna
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: make him a very rich man. Do you not see
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: the unfair advantages that they have around They already had
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: gross unfair advantages by the fact that they were one
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: of the three largest market team in the entire sport,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: and now they have all of these other advantages which
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: lead to other advantages. It's an avalanche of advantages that
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: they have and they use over the sport right now,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: and Baseball's letting it happen because they want them to
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: win three straight titles so that the world believes that
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: the game is unfair and needs a salary cap. And
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: they want a salary cap because from a pr standpoint,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: a salary cap will tell all of their customers that
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: our playing landscape is finally fair and we don't have
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: to worry about everyone in every market that doesn't win
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: a World Series complaining the only reason that they didn't
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: is because their owners are cheap. So that is why
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: everyone is wrong about everybody else is the problem in
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: baseball and not the Dodgers. No, it's the Dodgers. Not
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: only is it the Dodgers, the Major League Baseball is
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: using them as an example of how wrong it actually
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: is so that they can change the entire system. So yeah,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Errek Scooble that the Dodgers sucks. It's awful and it's
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: probably going to lead to a major, major lockout. We're
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: probably going to be without baseball for a year and
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: a half because of what the Dodgers are doing to
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: this sport. Ashley, I know I took up the entire time,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: but that there you have it. I just regurgitated it
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: all out on the floor for you.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing that bothers me is about
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: that the deferred contract. So what happens if they can't
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: pay it? Then they just file for bankruptcy and then I.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Have no idea how many years.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: You figure out, Oh, maybe we shouldn't have let them
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: defer all those contracts.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows. Nobody knows how they're going to pay for this, yeah, included,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that the Dodgers have an idea. But the
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: idea would be that we increase the value of the
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: organization so highly that we sell it and then we
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: just use that to spin them to pay off our debt.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how they would do it. But but
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, is that really you know? That's the way.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: I mean. The crocodile tears that are shed for baseball
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: players not making enough money is just hard for me
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: to fathom. And the only reason that that even exists
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: is because we don't have a salary cap. Right, we
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: had a salary cap, we wouldn't even having these conversations.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: Everyone would be like, oh, look at how much money
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: they made. That's so much.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: But it's the idea that you're capping what they're allowed
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: to make in a I mean, and especially that it's
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: funny because it comes from fans, right, normal people who
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: are spending an arm and a leg to go to
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: a game to watch all these over paid players. It's like, well,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: no one's telling them they can't make money. They're gonna
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: make plenty of money in endorsements, They're gonna make plenty
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: of money in their contract.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: But it is I don't know.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: And yes, you do need to boost up the floor.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: I understand that as well. You can't have teams that
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: are minimum. But I feel like everybody agrees on that.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: That's just obvious.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but you I mean the Jacksonville Jaguar. A
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguar fan doesn't blame the NFL because the Chiefs
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: have been better. Yeah, if they blame it on we
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: drafted Blake Bortles, they blame it on you know. But
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: in baseball, Yankee fans complain about the sport and their
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: owners not spending enough money and keeping up with the Dodgers.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Yankee fans complain about this, Yes they do. We I mean,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: I've never supported to tradeing a salary cap in Major
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: League baseball, and I started to about two three years
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: ago and now I'm full in. And it's because of
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: all of this. It is this Trek Schooble stuff. Not
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: only do the Dodgers have all of these advantages, but
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: within their advantages, they hold so many advantages that lead
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: to other advantages that nobody can keep up with that.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: And so that's why the sport absolutely has to get
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: a salary cap, even though it's something I have fought
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: for almost my entire broadcasting career.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it just at this point it seems
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: to make the most sense. And again you're not saying like,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: oh now your salary CAP's going down to one hundred
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: million dollars and no one's making money. Like that's not
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen. People are still gonna be making
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: plenty of money.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: Raise the floor, yeah, you know, Shrink the ceiling yeah,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: and a little smaller, and get rid of all of
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: these hidden, you know ways that the Dodgers exploit the cap.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: There is no way on earth that there should be
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: deferred pay. Do you realize that that does the free
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: agency when a team can just say, hey, we'll give
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: you more money than they gave you even if we're
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: not going to pay you the money right now, we're
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: just gonna We're just gonna use artifacts. We're just gonna
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: drive up the price because we don't want you to
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: get to that team, even though we don't have any
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: intention to ever really pay you. Yeah, how is that fair?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: It's not, it's not. It's a broken system. And Tarrek
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Scooble is the latest and probably last example that is
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: going to be required for Major League Baseball to go
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: balls to the wall on a lockout of players in
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: order to get their way with a salary cap going forward.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: And it could take a long time before they melt
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: that glacier on the players Association side. People need to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: brace themselves for no baseball next year, which also illustrates
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: why the Mariners should go for it today at the
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: trading deadline, because they might not have a season next year.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: All right, coming up next, it is deadline day. We'll
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: give you the very latest sports Radio ninety three point
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: three KJRFM. That's right, the Mariners have made a trade
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: and it is a by trade. So any speculation you
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: had this morning, are we going to be buyers sellers today?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: What are we going to do? Now, that doesn't mean
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: that we won't later have a cell move. I don't know,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: but this one is certainly a buy move. Not just
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: a buy move, but a rental as well, which is
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: something they just got comfortable with as an organization a
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: year ago when they acquired Josh Naylor and Gino Suarez
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: at this time last season. But the Mariners have acquired
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: from the Baltimore Orioles outfielder Taylor Ward in a deal
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: we still don't know, or at least I haven't seen
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: yaes saw. Okay, you have the details from what.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: Daniel Kramer is posting.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: We are sending Alex Hoppey, Brockmore, and Harrison Cryling to
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: the Orioles.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: None of the top prospects with on a rental. You
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: would expect that, And so there you go. There is
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: the trade. Without having to touch any where close to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: their top prospects. The Mariners have pulled off a trade
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: for a bat, a right handed hitter their biggest need,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: and a guy that has turned into an on base
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: machine for whatever reason this year with the Baltimore Orioles.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Thirty two year old outfielder Taylor Ward is the acquisition.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: And just to give you an idea of what I
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: mean by on base machine. Here, he leads the league
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: in walks this year. He has eighty seven of them.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: He had seventy five all of last year and already
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: has eighty seven this year. For whatever reason, taylor Ward
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: went underwent some sort of metamorphosis as a hitter in
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: the latter stages of his career this offseason. He hit
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: thirty six home runs for the Angels last year twenty five,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: the year before, he had established himself as a power
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: hitter in this league, but you had to live with
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: his poor on base percentage. That's who taylor Ward was
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: as recently as twenty twenty five. And then with the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Baltimore Orioles on a one year deal, taylor Ward decided, Hey,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: I gotta get my on base up. I got a
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: one year prove it deal to get me some real
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: money in the offseason. And so with Baltimore he's turned
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: into an on base machine, leading the league and walks.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: He has a three eighty three on base percentage this year,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: which is far and away better than anyone on the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: Mariners team. And yet what gives well, In order to
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: get thing, apparently he had to give something away It's
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: like the monkeys paw. In order to become a better
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: on base guy, an on base machine, he pretty much
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: gave up all his power. He has seven home runs
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: this year seven yeh thirty six a year ago, sixty
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: one over the course of the last two years. But
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: he has hit seven home runs this year. So what
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: a strange You don't see players at this stage in
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: their career, age thirty two. Suddenly Ashley become a completely
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: different player than what they were a couple of years previous.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: I know that I'm not like the baseball person, but
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: even I would know that that's an odd thing.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: That is an odd thing. But but you know what,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: this team needs a right handed hitter. This team needs
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: an on base guy. I don't know. They probably are
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: gonna put him in the lead off with a three
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: eighty three on base percentage for goodness sake. And so
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: he comes to the Mariners. He is an outfielder. So
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: now what do you do? Where is he playing? Is
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: he your right field at this stage? Uh? Is he
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: replacing a rose Arena in left field? Does he become
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: your DH? I mean we already have now Julio and
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: center Randy and left can zones now an everyday player
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: right and right field. So you've got Donovan coming off
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: the injury list tomorrow. Is Taylor Ward's gonna probably be
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: an everyday player even though he's only hitting to thirty
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: eight against right handers. I'm still a three seventy two
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: on base but under a seven hundred OPS against righty's.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Is this just a platoon guy? But against left he's
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: a four to thirteen on base percentage, a four to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: twenty six slug and an eight thirty nine OPS. So again,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: we're terrible against left handed pitching. Taylor Wards should fix
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: that to some degree or help fix that to some degree.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: And I don't know what if this means he's gonna
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: be the DH if he's the left fielder and Randy's
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: the DH, he's the right fielder and Dom's the DH,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: or if he's the left fielder, and we still Ashley
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: have to wonder whether or not Randy or Rose Arena
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: is going to be traded since Ward has played mostly
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: left field in his career. I don't know.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's still a lot of questions in that.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: Right when we were talking about when I said that
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: that trade happened, and then what the thought was, well,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: now what happens with the Rose arena. Yeah, I do
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: wonder that. I still don't want us to get rid
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: of him. I don't want to take anything away from
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: this offense. I just want us to figure it out.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they did buy. We just asked him in
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: the previous segment to buy. Yeah, he's played only left
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: field this year. He's played I think right field in
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: the past, maybe a little center, but he's played only
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: left field and DH this year. So I gotta believe Ashley.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: They're keeping a Rose arena and they're keeping and they're
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: going to add Ward and of course that's going to
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: take away from a lot of playing time from Luke Rayley.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: He's probably gonna become only a pinch hitter. And then
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: ref Snyder and Roblaze. One one of those two can't
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: stay on the roster, that's for sure, and I think
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: we'd all vote for refs Sneider to have his torch
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: put out. Roblaze has actually been contributing to this team
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: as of late. And then Donovan takes the Wilson spot
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: on the roster, so that should well, you still have
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: the fair Child spot on the roster right now, yea.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: So maybe Ward takes the fair Child spot on the
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: roster for the time being. We shall see. But they
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: have added not just a hitter, but one who has
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: success against lefties and has turned into the best having
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: the best eye in all of Major League Baseball with
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: his eighty seven walks this year. So you feel good
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: about it. You excited about this.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: I do feel good because I was really nervous that
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: we were the first thing we were going to hear
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: was that we were getting rid of somebody, and I
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: was going to be really upset.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: So I love that.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, we get Brendan Donovan back and tomorrow,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: and so I think I'm excited.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: Pretty significant you add Ward Donovan to the lineup tomorrow.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: That changes things, That changes the complexion of the lineup.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: As I said, I hope that this doesn't mean that
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: we take the one foot in the bow one foot
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: out of the boat. And so you add Ward without
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: having to give up much, but then you trade Randy
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: for future assets. I don't rule it out.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: I don't because I don't rule anything out, but.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Right but I'm with you, I hope not. I mean,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: right now, it feels like we just added Taylor Ward
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: and Brendan Donovan to be in the lineup tomorrow, which
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: should make a struggling offense a lot better. And yet
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: it still comes down I think to Josh and Julio
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: and Cal at least two of those three finding their
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: offensive game here down the stretch. I still think it's
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: going to come down to that to determine whether or
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: not this team does end up winning the division. But
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: this is a good sign for me. I mean, if
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: you were hoping that they were going to sell, then
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: maybe you're feel differently. But for all of us that
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: wanted them to continue to go for it and not
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: waste this roster and hope that there's a couple of
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: good months up the sleeve of this team. Then adding
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Taylor Ward seems to satisfy their biggest hole on the
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: entire roster, and that is a right handed hitter that
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: can hit left handed pitching and if nothing else can
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: walk against left handed pitching.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: I'll take that to get on base.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: All right, that's exciting. We've got to move and we
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: still have five and hours and nineteen minutes to go
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: before the trading deadline. Hey on, once you've taken one
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: step forward, you might as well, take another. We'll see
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: if they do anything else between now and three o'clock.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: But we do have a trade. Taylor Ward is now
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: a Seattle Mariner from the Baltimore Orioles in exchange for
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Alex Hoppy and two minor leaguers and no big prospects
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: within the the organization exchanged in the deal. One last
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: thing to close this out. Next Sports Radio ninety three
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