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Foster and Friends Vol 157 John Engleberger · Foster and Friends

• 0:06
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• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Who would most want a 2014 playoff?
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's Minnesota, Iowa, Wake Forest.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just throwing out random examples of schools that haven't made the 12-team playoff might never make the 12-team playoff, but at 24, hey, maybe that becomes a team.
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• 1:01
  SPEAKER_10: I think we kind of learned our lessons before this game.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_04: His personality is very engaging.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: This is one really, really uh he's just a good guy.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_04: You know, he loves, he loves who he loves, you know, he loves his friends.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, he does, you know, and and uh John, you hit it on the head.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_11: He was he one of my all-time favorite players just because he was just, and you know, you hear me say that a lot about a lot of my former guys, but just John was one of those guys that exemplified the lunch pail.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_11: He was a walk-on uh kid that earned everything, put on about 30 plus pounds his first year once he got in the weight room and getting on a steady training table and that type of thing, but really was a true uh poster child, so to speak, of what development looks like when you take well said, I think before um when we we did a pre when we were talking to him before the show uh that he probably matured physically a year later.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_11: You know how boys are a little bit different sometimes.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_11: But uh, you know, he was a 6'4, 210-pound, you know, guy.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_11: I looked at in the weight room at uh Robert E.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_11: Lee High School and in uh in Alexandria, and like, where is this?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_11: Is he gonna get any bigger?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_11: He's got a frame, but but just then just came and bought into what uh what we were doing in the weight room and just really blossomed after that in the weight room, and then that created some self-confidence that carried that over onto the playing field.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_11: But just one, you know, you you might you talk about him being on one side and Corey Moore being on the other side.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_11: We had uh two as as good a defensive ends that there were in college football at that time.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, he and uh we I know when we when he had uh the pre-interview and we talked about it.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he's uh just a guy who's very, very engaged and and has, you know, he follows the stock market, he plays pickleball now.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we used to be a heck of a card player, you know, a lot of blackjack.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: He's got you know, his resume would be two or three pages.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_04: Let's uh let's put it that way.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_04: But nine years in the NFL, so we'll do that.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, we're uh we'll go to break here.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_04: Good place to break.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: And when we come back, Bud's gonna talk about what everyone else is talking about.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_04: Would a college football playoff field of 24 work?
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_04: Shane Beamer will weigh in.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the head coach of South Carolina, Bud's gonna weigh in, and so we're gonna break it down for you before we uh we get to John.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_04: So hang in there.
• 4:11
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• 4:13
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• 5:25
  SPEAKER_05: We had six opinions around the table that last night, five here, all are against it.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_11: As an Ohio State fan, I also know that means we'll never not be in the playoffs ever again.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_11: So that's good.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_12: I like the idea of expanding it.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_12: I like more teams being included.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_12: I think it'll make uh the season a little more interesting for a lot more groups.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_12: So I'm not against it.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: More football is more football, but like player safety and justice all for money.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's ridiculous.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you heard the uh Foster and Friends NSB Radio Network.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: I'll do the reset, and then you just heard the fans talking about, but it's everyone's talking about it.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_04: Fans, talk shows, uh podcasts, uh, network shows.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_04: Everyone's weighing in.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_04: Nick Saban doesn't like it.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: McAfee does like it.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_04: It is the hot button.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: When, you know, they broke over the weekend it said a handshake deal between ESPN and the CFP committee.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_04: So that just opens the door for me to ask you.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_04: And Bud, do you like it?
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: Do we like the 2014 playoff?
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_11: You know, I I'm still open.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_11: I've said before that I do like it from a standpoint that I think it'll keep fans engaged, I think it'll keep teams engaged.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_11: I, you know, I kind of look back, I'm a traditionalist in a lot of ways, and I fight change myself.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_11: And uh I remember going when pro baseball, a big baseball fan, as we've talked about.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_11: But when baseball has expanded its um playoff system now, uh initially I I fought it like ah, you know, I mean, and but now you just see, I mean, we're playing the last week of the season in MLB, and you've got a handful of teams on both sides that are still playing till the very end to you know get into the playoff hunt.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_11: And we all know, I mean, geez, you get hot at the right time.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_11: I don't care what your record is.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_11: Um, you know, but you know, it in baseball though, you have to be a division winner, and then I, you know, it's a there's a lot of parody in there, so it makes it easy to draw the line.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_11: And that's where football in college right now, it it so much depends on, in my opinion, off the field, you know, because they're there's you're talking about strength of conferences and that type of thing.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_11: But who determines that more than anybody is the writers.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, you know, they determine that.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_11: And so that's the one thing I would like to eliminate.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_11: And and let's create a besides the playoffs to make this what's real, we're going to it to have you know all the power four teams playing nine conference games and then playing a tenth game against a power four team.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_11: So you just can't have a bunch of bunny games, you know what I mean?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_11: They need to be legit power four games, and I think that makes that pick a little bit easier when you go to 24.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_11: Now, the argument about playoff or um championship games and that type of thing within the leagues, uh, I know some, you know, particularly the SEC is crying about that because they talk about the impact.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_11: But also, you know, we've impacted.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_11: I know in the ACC, you know, Virginia won the league last year, and then because they got beat in the in the playoff game, championship game, they got knocked out, and which should not happen, in my opinion.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_11: And I think this new 24 team um, you know, uh situation will open that up for for, you know, and and not punish teams for winning a championship sometimes.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it really does.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_04: And then they've they're trying to do with the you know, with the power for conferences, and maybe uh, you know, the Big Ten felt that they should have four, the SEC feels they should have four or five, and I know the ACC feels the same way.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: So the way you know it's gonna be broken down with the and I and I agree with you.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: The so the all the arguments I heard with well, four lost teams are gonna get in.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, who do they play if they have four losses?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that that does not bother me if you feel they really, really qualify.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_04: And I know everybody's putting this year's model, in other words, they're taking the top 24 teams, they're trying to build a bracket.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: What would it look like?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_04: Wake Forest probably deserves to be in.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, Miami, they're gonna probably win the league, but but uh but a team like Wake or a school, they deserve to be in the playoff, you know.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: So what you're saying is I when when college basketball went from 48, and I lived this in the early 80s, went from 48, you know, to 64 and then to 68, and you know, but are are we not riveted in the month of March with 68 teams?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_04: And do we have Cinderella?
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Now, Josh Payne, who's an insider, said, Well, we've we've done away now with the football Cinderella.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: I disagree.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: I do too.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_11: I think you'll you'll find that with you know, with with what maybe it's the 24 seed team that all exactly that gets hot, exactly, wins a game on the road, especially with the rules and the playoffs or whatever.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_04: All right, Shane Beamer weighs in.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: He was asked the question, and of course, close to home, head coach of South Carolina, how he feels about what's going to happen and how the coaches feel about the field of 24 in 2027.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_07: From reading some of y'all's stuff, I feel like everybody in this room hates it, but you know, I don't know if I would necessarily say that.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_07: It's something that we talked a lot about as coaches and athletic directors at SEC meetings back in uh February in New Orleans, but then also back in May when we were down in Destin for league meetings.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_07: Honest to God, truth, we've had zero conversations about it as a as head coaches in the SEC since May.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_07: So I found out like you guys did last week.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_07: Don't really have a reaction right now.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_07: I'll have plenty of time to talk about that or think about that as the season wraps up.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_04: You know, not many coaches during their press conferences this week were really asked about, you know, how do you feel about the field of of 24?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it was more or less about you know just what you know what was going on, Miami being number one, and and this call and that call and the you know the upsets that are uh college football.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: But I think just let's put ourselves in October, right, bud?
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_04: Now, you know, Texas gets knocked off, Auburn beats Georgia.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_04: There's gonna be a lot of scrambling, you know.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: Tennessee knocks off Alabama.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: There's gonna be a lot of scrambling going on.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: Florida State almost beats Miami.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_04: So I think for positioning and everything, we start a week earlier, is the model in August, and we start right at the beginning of December instead of champion, uh, you know, the conference championship games, we'll jump right to the end of the playoff.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_04: Home sites, too.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: See that makes sense.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, which I'm I'm for, you know, until you get to a certain point in the in the uh in the system, in the playoff.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_11: I I really and we've talked about it.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_11: I hate to see the second round games move to a neutral site.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_11: I because that's part of uh one of the edges about you know being a champion or what you know, and particularly how they're doing the playoff system now.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_11: The team that gets the by also doesn't get a home field advantage, you know, and that that sometimes that that's important, you know.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_11: And you know, in the NFL, they you do that.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_11: You play at the higher seed spot until you get to the Super Bowl, so to speak.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_11: And now we're still trying to appease appease the um the bowl people, and there's certain bowls that are probably deserve that because of you know the the granddaddy, so to speak, uh mantra.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_11: But uh I'm excited about it because I think it's gonna make a lot of excitement in in college football.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_11: I do think this from a coach's standpoint, I just think the coaches right now we're reserved to, and I say we, I'm I'm just our coaching staffs right now in college football are reserved to just doing, you know, with what's changing right now.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_11: We're just wanting some kind of some order and some governance.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_11: And yeah, and then we'll do whatever we need to do.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_11: But right now it's ever changing from year to year to year.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_11: And I think that's just really kind of what Shane was saying.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_11: Hey, we're not worried about it because whatever happens, happens, and we got to just play with it.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_11: But we do need to lock in and and a plan and and and let's let's move forward, which if 24 is it, I think it'll create a lot of excitement.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_11: I really, really do.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_11: And it should be a fun to watch.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_11: And and but uh it's gonna create a lot of teams and fan bases that are still gonna be involved till the very end of November or the playoffs start.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody who has created a lot of excitement, John Engelberger, former Virginia Tech player, uh second-round draft pick in 2035 overall, and he joins us with uh more than one story.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: So that's next coming up.
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• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's Foster and Friends NSB Radio Network with our special guest we already told you about.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_04: This guy uh I met at Bud's tournament and uh just said immediately, and Bud and I were talking, I said, if we don't get John Engelberg on a show, we have just not we're not doing our due diligence.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_04: So, John, welcome.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: And hey, Bud, this is a special guy right here, huh?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_11: Well, John, yeah.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_11: John, welcome, man.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_11: It's and it was I appreciate you coming out to the golf tournament.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, but you know, Mac, I told you this is one of my favorite players for a lot of reasons.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_11: I can see why number one is a great football player, you know, everybody understood that.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_11: But number two, one of the most entertaining people I've been around in my time, as far as just uh his personality.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_11: You know, I mean personality deluxe.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_11: But uh no, John, welcome to the show.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_11: Um, you know, I re I had the opportunity to recruit you, coach you, follow your career, but um, you know, it's been fun to stay in touch with you now.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_11: Geez, man, we're going on uh a long time.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_11: Almost 30 years.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_11: I know, I know.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_11: Now you're grown up, you've got a family.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_11: Uh what's John Engelberger doing right now?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_12: As always, I always follow the stock market.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_12: The first thing I do when I wake up is I check the futures.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_12: Then I have all my stocks, I do a little trading, and then um I recently got into pickleball.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_12: Really?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_12: Yes, and it uh it beats going to the weight room.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm starting to get into that, and I'm kind of embarrassed.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_12: Like I've even taken lessons for pickleball lessons, but it's just uh it's just something to keep my mind going.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_12: I meet new people, and it's just a lot better than the weight room.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_11: You're you're 50 years old now, John.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, who is your competition?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_11: You're not beating up on like 74-year-old ladies or anything like that, are you?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_12: No, I play with them, and I'm not gonna slam the ball in their face.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_12: I'm just trying to live longer.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_12: Now, there's some people that are seriously into it.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_12: I enter tournaments, there's arguments and fight.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_12: Like, I I compare it to like cornhole or beat beer pond.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_12: But I'm telling you, like, there's people that are practicing on a really serious thing.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_12: You would you wouldn't believe it.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_12: You would not believe it.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_12: At your size, you gotta be a pro at this game.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_12: No, I'm my movement's so bad.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_12: I'm gonna give you a story.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_12: Like, I played pickleball for two hours, my feet and ankles hurt so bad.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_12: So I pick my son out to go to Magnesium, and I always take off my shoes, I roll the window down and stick my leg.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_12: All of a sudden, two police officers show up and they start checking the trash because I emptied out my car.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_12: And I know one of the police officers, and he comes up to me and he's like, Hey, we got a report that someone was drinking.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_12: And I was like, Hey man, I only had three beers.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_12: And he's like, What?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_12: You had three beers?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_12: And he was serious.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_12: So he actually someone at the Dunkin' Donuts thought I was drinking because when I got out of the car, I hobbled so much on an hour and I threw it away.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_12: And he really like two police officers came.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_12: I knew one, they're like looking in my car.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_12: Like, that's how bad I move after pickleball.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_12: Like, someone called in and thought I was drunk.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_12: This happened like a week ago.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_12: Just here as a tutor with my son, like taking a napy.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_11: Well, the other thing I wanted is uh, you know, Mac uh we talked about this.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_11: John sat behind me.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_11: Like, if we were gonna bust down to Roanoke to fly out, or we were if we were traveling to UVA, you know, on a short bus trip or whatever.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_11: John always sat behind me.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_11: So he always, I mean, John is an intellect, he always had some good reads.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_11: Obviously, the stock market was one, but uh blackjack was his other, you know, and I always asked John, I said, you know, John, once football's done for you, what do you what do you foresee for John Engelberg?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_11: And you said, well, coach, I uh, you know, I could either be a police officer, but I'd really like to be a pen, you know, and so John, tell me how that how that turned out for you there, brother.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_11: Obviously, you're in the stock market now, so gambling probably kind of said, Boy, that's a short-term career.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_12: But you know, like back in the day, like you would see TV with infomercials, okay?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_12: So I was watching this infomercial about this legendary blackjack player named Bobby Singer called Mastering the Flow.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_12: So me and Keith ordered it when we were in Blacksburg and we got it, and we got this little book, and it was mostly about card counting, but that was just way too advanced for me.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_12: But it showed all the percentages mathematically on what to hit, what to say, everything.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_12: So if you had a 16 versus 7 and you hit it, the chances of you winning that might be 49.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_12: But if you stay, it might be 45%.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_12: So we'll take the 49, 48 percent instead of a 45.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_12: But however I play, it's all mathematically.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_12: And that's just how I play it.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_12: Now in my career, I'm definitely down.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_12: I know all my bad beats.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_12: I know all of them.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_12: So we go like in San Francisco, we go to the Indian uh casinos, and we went to Tahoe a lot.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm telling you, like, you'll never win.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_12: You'll never win against the house.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_12: Poker players, you're playing against other players.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_12: Blackjack, you'll never win.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_04: Not many casinos go bankrupt, that's for sure.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, you look at all those lights in Las Vegas, they're not built on winners.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_11: Well, just that that goes to show you his versatility of his life, Mac, between the stock market gambling.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_11: But now he mentioned Keith, and Keith Short was his sidekick.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_11: Keith was an all big East center for us.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_11: Um, when his career was over, he actually uh got into was our assistant straight coach for us for a long, long time.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_11: And John and Keith were attached at the hip, man.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_11: And you Talk about two personalities.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_11: But uh tell the story real quick because Keith was one of our you became one of our elite strength athletes too.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_11: And I want to talk about Mike here in a little bit and your how the impact he made on you and Keith.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_11: But tell about when you guys, you and Keith would pair up and go to the strongman competition and in uh and uh and you had your pseudo names and then some of the things that they you did that superlatives that you did.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_12: So we went to the NASCAR race in Richmond.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_12: We were just walking around, and I'm sure we were drinking, and we were drinking, and uh there was just a strongman competition.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_12: It really wasn't a strongman, you just hold up a toolbox.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, that was it, a weighted toolbox.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_12: So I entered it under the name uh Timmy Carmichael.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_12: Keith was just watching one of those shows, and it's like a famous motocross guy.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_12: So I think the other guy was Keith's name was Leon Tidwell, and I think he was a bass fisherman or something.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, Keith goes on all these things.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_12: So we entered it in that, okay?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_12: And I was going against this guy, and he had to do some kind of mechanic, machine, like his floor, he was skinny but wiry.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_12: So I'm going up against him, and I definitely lost, but I cheated.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_12: Like you're supposed to do a front raise, hold it out like this, but I was using so much back, not my arm, and the guy was actually calling me out.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_12: He's like, he's cheating, he's cheating.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_12: But the referee let it stand.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_12: So I that was like the semifinals.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_12: I go to the finals, okay?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_12: Keith is in the finals, and you know Keith, he threw hay all his life.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_12: Like his forearms are huge, they're huge, he's got these short, stubby forearms and short arms.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_12: I knew I was gonna lose.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_12: Like he was doing the Deion Sanders pose with the lunchbox, like he put his head behind his back and showing off.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_12: And Keith ended up winning.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_12: But if I ever saw that guy that I beat, I apologize.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_12: I cheated so bad.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_12: And hey, I was like 265, 270.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_12: I was in pretty good shape, but that guy beat me, but I, you know, cheated a little bit and they advanced me to the next round.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_12: But that's how that went.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, well, that you know, that was some of your, you know, some of the side stuff you did.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_11: But you know, I won't talk, but we'll talk a little ball.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_11: I know we got a couple segments, but I know there's a couple people that really are important to you um and your time here at Virginia Tech.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_11: I'd like to think I was part of that.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_12: You believed in me more than I believed in myself.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_12: Like I'm not a very confident person in general, like I have to work hard and then I gain my confidence.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_12: I'm not just naturally confident.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_12: It's like you believed in me, Wiles, Beamer.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_12: You believed in me more than I believed in myself.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_12: And that that helped me out a lot.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_11: Well, I appreciate well, and I saw something in you, Mac.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_11: We got John to come in as a as a walk-on.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_11: And our walk-on program was crazy successful.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, we had several guys, and now John included in that list, who walked on who end up becoming drafted and longtime NFL players.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, we just had a great developmental program.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_11: And I still think today, college football, we've talked about this over and over on previous shows.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_11: College football is still a developmental sport, particularly the closer you get to the line of scrimmage, you know, John, and you would have agree with that, you know.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_11: But you know, you had you he John came in at about 6'4.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_11: I don't know, John, what'd you weigh?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_11: About 215, maybe when you came to freshman, 210 on them for you.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, but probably one of the guys that had to make one of the bet biggest impact on your life and your career as an NFL, your opportunity to play in the NFL had to be Mike Gentry, our strength coach, who is one of the all-time great strength coaches.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_11: But what kind of impact did Mike have on you, not just physically, but I know you guys, he you guys connected, you know, uh in a lot of ways, you know.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, I know he helped you and and helped you grow as a person, but helped you grow, you know, obviously as a football player.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_12: Back when I was in high school, none of us were trained like they are today.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_12: We'd go two weeks before the season in high school, and you just lift weights and practice.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_12: It nothing was all year round.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_12: So I go to gentry and I knew nothing about I lifted weights, but didn't know anything.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_12: And just his program, how it was so structured, it just made me just take off.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_12: And gentry was kind of hard on me, and I knew why it was hard on me, but he believed in me as well.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_12: But I would like to ask Gentry a question, and he was like, You effing asked too many questions.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_12: Just get out of here, just do it.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_12: And I was so afraid of gentry of disappointing him that I would actually do extra in the weight room.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_12: Like, I don't mind letting myself down, but when someone believes in me, I don't want to let them down.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_12: And we just grew a connection, like gentry yelled at me more times than you could imagine.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_12: Like my high knee crossover wasn't good enough and all that.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_12: But as I got older, and after I left Virginia Tech, I knew exactly what I was he was doing.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_12: But as an 18-year-old, I thought the guy was like hating on me, was just being a jerk, was arrogant.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_12: But as you get older, you figure out what he was exactly trying to do, and that helped me out a lot.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_04: One of the greatest to ever play Virginia Tech, John Engelberger at tech from 95 to 99, uh, second round draft pick, and then nine years in the NFL, which we'll get into.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: A couple of playoff appearances as well, played with Denver.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: So uh a lot to get to.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: Plus, we got to find out what his handicap is.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: Get a, you know, if there's any secrets in golf with the, you know, as big as John is.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll go to break, we'll come back.
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• 29:13
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• 29:14
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• 29:15
  SPEAKER_04: And you uh just heard we had uh the couple of sound bites that we had, the butt we had uh the UVA Virginia Tech game from 99, a hokey win.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: Imagine that.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_04: And uh the Niners, Dallas, uh with John.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_04: It it was just hard to find YouTube clips of you, even though the great career you had.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_04: It was just hard to find John Engelberger like being named.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: One guy you made the tackle in the play, and the announcer didn't even acknowledge you.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, with all that being said, uh, bud, this is uh this is one one good guy right here.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_11: Well, you know, one of the great players here, and I've always said this, John, and uh, you know, you uh I said it earlier, but you played a seven technique as well as anybody that uh has ever played here for us.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_11: And then that was actually your forte in the NFL.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_11: And if I'm not mistaken, you were probably more of a first and second down guy than you were, you know, that you were that run stop physical point of attack, get after the tight end tackle guy than you were.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_11: Hey, put your hand down, I'm gonna uh be a speed edge rusher, you know, on third down.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, I I was I loved playing the seven technique.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_12: I was a first and down base defense and like nowadays not many people play the seven technique.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_12: Like I think the game now has evolved too much, and I wouldn't be useful or or play much in today's game.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_12: But the seven technique, I just absolutely loved it, especially in the eight-man front.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_12: I knew exactly where that tied in was gonna block, and it just made it easy for me.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_12: But the problem with that when I played was the seven techniques didn't get paid much compared to the edge rusher.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_12: So if I had to do it again, I would have concentrated on more pass rushing than what's it called, because you got paid more.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_12: But the seven techniques kind of a dying arc.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_11: Well, I will say this you had the ability to rush the passer, and that was, you know, you were long, you had a good first step.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_11: Uh, and I'll say this, Mac.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_11: We in 1998, we played Alabama in the Music City Bowl.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_11: Oh, they had who was the great running back that played at Seattle?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_12: Uh uh he actually lives up here.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_12: Uh I'll know his name, uh, Sean Alexander.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_11: Sean Alexander, they had him, they had uh the big tackle that was the first round pick and played at for uh Washington, but he he had not given up a sack all year.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_11: And first play of the game, who runs by him?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_11: John uh, you know, John Engelberger.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_11: Third down, who runs by him?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_11: Corey Moore.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_11: So those were, you know, and we all know that those two ends at Virginia Tacker along with Bruce Smith might be the the three best defensive ends to play here at Virginia.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_11: But uh no, but that was uh uh you know um that was a good time.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_11: You know, I I want to talk about there was one time I want I was telling Mac, tell him let's talk about the tunnel.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_11: I think that what year was that you like your junior year too?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_12: When was that?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_12: Yes, it was a junior year when I had I had a knee surgery.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_12: Now, this story gets blown way out of proportion.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_11: Well, I know, but let me I want to preface it too, because you were on special teams.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_11: Um, I think that a lot of that went on to this too, right?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_11: To go to England Burger rules.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_12: I was on punt team, defense, punt return, field goal, and field goal block.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_12: So we were doing field goal and I was playing a wing, and my knee was just not right.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_12: I had surgery maybe a three months ago for a meniscus.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_12: So someone's rushing on field goal and hits my knee, okay?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_12: And it's just hurting, and I'm just out of it.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_12: So I just walk off the sideline.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_12: Wiles is like, what's wrong?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_12: What you what are you doing?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_12: If you don't want to be here, just get out of here.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_12: So I started walking to the tunnel.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_12: Now everyone's saying like Wiles like just rushed out there.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_12: Like Wiles came in the tunnel and he actually cared about me.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_12: He's like, hey man, what's going on?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_12: Blah, blah, blah.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_12: Like he wasn't kissing my butt or anything like that.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_12: He's like, then what do you want to do with your life?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_12: I was like, look, I'm gonna join the military, blah, blah, blah.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_12: So he's like, look, just come back.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_12: You don't have to go in.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_12: I eventually went back in, but a lot of people are saying, like, Wiles just rushed out there so fast and was like, no, no, Wiles actually cared, and the story gets so embellished, but no, Wiles actually, I'll never forget it.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_12: Like, he was just like, you know, what's going on?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_12: Like, he wasn't like so many people just embellish it, but yeah, that's exactly the truth of the whole thing.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_11: Well, I know Coach Beamer eventually got involved because John was, and and what we did, Mac, was uh we put our best players on special teams.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_11: And John was a big athlete.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_11: You could see that in in putt block protection, you know, big athlete that can move his feet.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_11: We were a man blocking scheme, like an NFL type, but also could cover, run down the field, and and he was just on everything.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_11: But coach then came up with a rule.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_11: We used to condition, they don't condition anymore now, make maybe on Sundays, but we conditioned on Sundays, and then we conditioned on Tuesdays and Wednesdays pretty hard.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_11: And uh John, Coach Beamer came up with the Engelberger rule that if you are a starter on two special teams, now you it just wasn't being like on punt or field goal.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, right.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_11: You know, you had to be on kickoff coverage, kickoff return, punt block, punt return, you know.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_12: But you know what else?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_12: Those offensive linemen and defensive linemen were so happy they weren't on it.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_12: Like we're doing running down the field, and they're just sitting there relaxing for like 10 minutes doing nothing, and then we had to go right to team all tired.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_12: Like, you know, in punt block, we're covering at full speed.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_12: Oh, tired, and then Keith Short and all his offensive linemen are just so happy they're doing nothing, and that that added fuel to the fire, too.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, well, hey, you just mentioned short again.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_11: You said you had a story to tell about him and and Nick Giovanni, one of our one of the great orators in all of um American history, but we were fortunate to have her here at Virginia Tech and Nikki Giovanni.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_12: But you guys, did you all were you guys were in a class with her?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_12: Or yeah, we were in a class, and Keith was all his grades were already bad.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_12: Like he was on academic probation.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_12: So we had to write a poem for this class, and Keith was so embarrassed he wasn't gonna do it.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_12: So I go back in my room, I'm not lying.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_12: In two minutes, I wrote this poem on a spiraly notebook in pencil.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_12: I rip it out, there's spirally edges.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_12: I make Keith signing, he turns it in.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_12: A couple months go by, he gets an A in the class, I get a C.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_12: It gets better.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_12: Nikki Giovanni wrote him a personal letter saying how the poem was so good she wanted him to take advanced poetry.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, it gets even better because Keith gets an A, he gets out of study hall.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_12: I see I have to go back to study hall for six months for two hours.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, and I don't know the I don't I'm kind of embarrassed, but I don't know the remember the whole poem, but it had something to do with greed and the true meaning of love or something like that.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_12: Keith knows it, I don't know it, but yeah, that I've never told anyone that story, but now now, like my kids are like, hey, I got a poem for class.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_12: Can you do the poem?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_12: I'm like, no, no, no.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_12: It just it just came to me in like two minutes.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, well, that's incredible.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_11: That's incredible.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_11: I was just saying, you were you had so many other talents other than what you did on the football field.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, that's just that's what made you unique.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_11: Hey, real quick, I know we're we're we're running slower or running down on time.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_11: I wanted to really talk about your NFL career, man.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_11: You had nine years, you were a durable player, you know, you really kind of went a lot mostly injury-free for the most part, which is a you know, a credit to you.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_11: Uh, but what was it like?
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, you being that kind of that, you know, you weren't the that dying, like you, as you mentioned earlier, that dynamic rush in guy.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_11: You were that workman-like blue-collar, probably a great locker room guy.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_11: I know you got a story with when you uh Dana Stubblefield came back and wanted his locker, your locker.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_11: But what was it like playing in the NFL?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_11: And then um, you know, did you have it, you know, you guys were on the West Coast a lot.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_11: And then when you went with the Broncos, you the Chiefs and some folks were probably your rivals, but what was that like?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_11: That your career and uh, you know, were there any teams that you really come enjoyed competing against or and who was the toughest, maybe tight end or tackle you got you had to play against?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_12: I really enjoyed the the career of the NFL.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_12: I love the locker room, I love the pressure, I love the stress.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_12: I can tell you the hardest thing was being a borderline starter every year was someone trying to take your job every day.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_12: Like they bring in people every Tuesday trying to take your job, and you all you're like I can't multitask.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_12: I focus on one thing, and my biggest uh motivation was someone coming on Tuesday taking my job.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_12: So that was the hardest thing.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_12: Like, I don't think many people understand that.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_12: Like someone in a normal job going nine to five, having to worry about someone taking your job every day.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_12: It like toughens you up and makes you hard.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_12: But like I loved playing against rivalries like the San Diego, the Chiefs, because you knew what they were doing.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_12: You played them two times every year, they didn't change anything up rarely.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_12: Same people, you started to get tendencies on them.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_12: That's what I love playing.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_12: Now, the tackles, Orlando Pace, Jonathan Ogden.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_12: Like, you look at Jonathan Ogden, man, that's a big huge human being.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_11: That's a that's a giant man.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_12: But but but every single left tackle was legit in the NFL.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_12: Like you, and it wasn't the strength that impressed him the most, it was the footwork.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, it was unbelievable footwork.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_12: Like you look at that guy, Trent Williams for the Red uh for the Niners.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_12: I've I've talked to three people that I know that played for the Redskins.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_12: They don't even talk about his football.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_12: All they talk about is have you ever seen him play basketball?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_12: Three people.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, they don't even talk about, and he's he's probably seven, 15-year Pro Bowl player.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_12: No one talks about his football.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_12: They all talked about how good his feet were playing basketball.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_11: Well, you got to be a good athlete.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_11: That's that's the one thing, it's a it's a large man's game, particularly the closer you get to line scrimmage, right?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_11: A lot of big people, but a lot of big athletes.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_11: And I think that you hit it on the head right there.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_11: That's the big thing.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_11: I think that it's just like taking, you know, it's going from high school to c big time college and just the difference of the size and speed, and you just that's another, you take it another level.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_11: It's the same thing, but on steroids a little bit when you go to that next level.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, I mean, it it you like there was a guy, uh you probably know him, Gerard Warren that played for Florida.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, he was probably 6'4, probably 340.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_12: I've never seen a human being move so fast out of a stance.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_12: Like he had get off like Corey Moore at 340.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_12: Like it was just unreal.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_12: The level, like who cares how strong he is?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, when he get got off the ball, if he wanted to, I mean, it was just unreal.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_12: It was unreal that I don't think a lot of people in football understand the athleticism of the offensive line.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, how how well they're how how much of an athlete they are.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_04: And now your NFL teammates are probably talking about your pickleball skills, you know.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, I don't know about that.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, I never came from a racket sport, but like I can't stand the 20-year-olds coming in and playing pickleball.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_12: Leave it for the old people.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_12: And it's go say something like they're ruining the game, in my opinion.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: I love it, I love it.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I try to play with my wife.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_04: All she all I had to do was chase balls over the fence.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it got a little old.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: So, hey John, um, at some point in the near future or we get in the playoffs or whatever, we'd love to have you back.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_04: And uh anytime.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Because I want to find out about your golf game.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, have you have you you know grown to that sport and with your size or whatever?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_12: Tell me how I can only play golf with like if I hit the ball in the woods, I'm not looking for it.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_12: Exactly.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_12: I'm dropping right there.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_12: I don't I can't stand people that could hit the ball 30 yards in the woods and they find it.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_12: I know you're cheating.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_12: Exactly.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_12: Now I know you're cheating.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_12: I know.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_12: Just pop it and go.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, thank you so much uh for being a part today.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_04: And I know Bud and I uh we're really looking forward to it.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_04: We wish you all the best, but we uh we want you back soon, okay?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe in a couple playoffs or something, okay?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_04: John Engelberger, one of the greats and durable too, bud.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_04: 15 and a half games a year, 139 games he logged in nine years uh with the NFL.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: He didn't miss many plays.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: We'll go to break.
• 42:14
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• 43:28
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• 44:06
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• 44:23
  SPEAKER_05: I called and talked to uh Gary Patterson, head of officials.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, and you know, I I've not heard his final review for from it, but uh, you know, as a you know, I I've got a lot of respect for the job that everybody has.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and you go through the course of that game, same thing happened a few plays earlier that was not called.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but in that moment, that play, you know, it's just it's a shame.
• 44:45
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• 44:58
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• 45:00
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, I'm still giggling.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_04: I can't, I still can't imagine John Engelberger playing pickleball.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_04: And uh what a what a great guy, what a great visit.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: And uh he and I share it, you know, five five playing with a guy and he hits a ball in the woods, they'll make more golf balls.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know, Engelberger's not gonna go in the woods looking for a golf ball.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_04: So uh it's so it's okay.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_04: And he goes, and guys find them all the time.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that amazing?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: They go in the woods and always find anyway.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what a great visit, great choice by you.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: And I can see why, you know, he plays in your uh foundation golf tournament.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_04: I can see why.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, John.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, you know, when we have those tournaments, I think when particularly when Keith Short was there, Keith couldn't make it this year, but always paired Keith and John together.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_11: So the stories that they can tell our donors and our the um and the players in the tournament.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, they I I come back and they said you should you I had the best time talking to John Engelberger and Keith Short because you know they talk so much about other things other than football, you know, and all these the antics that they did.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_11: But uh he's one, he's he's one of my favorites and just good, just special people.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, terrific.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: All right, what's on the Bud Foster itinerary this weekend with Tech being out of town?
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_11: You know, we're uh Van at Clemson.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_11: Um, I am going to Hillsboro, North Carolina to take in a small uh music festival.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_11: So uh I'm gonna do that.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_11: It's supposed to be a great weekend.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_11: Hillsboro is just right outside of Chapel Hill.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_11: I'm kind of going down there, you know, in Carolina Duke Country.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_11: And uh so uh, but uh I'm not even gonna be, I'll be, I'll be checking the tech game out, but I'm gonna be listening to some good music.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_04: Well, next week I have uh, you don't know this yet.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna try to make uh build your part of your vacation next year in Florida in Destin with this big music festival that features Earth, Wind, and Fire and the Tedeski trucks.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna tell you all about it.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: You may yeah, I'm gonna book part of your vacation and make plans for you.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: So anyway, have a good college football weekend and uh we'll uh we'll get back together again next week.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: I promise nobody's taking nobody's taking us away.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_11: Well, good, it's good to see you, my friend.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_11: It was great to have John on the show, and you have a great weekend, bro.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well, sure was.
• 47:24
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