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Gorgeous Sister Anna Schmidt Tortured Over Murder of Penn State Star, Arrests Made · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Heartbreak Tonight, A life cut short. An incredible Penn State
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Speaker 2: co ed just twenty two years old, gunned down outside
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Speaker 2: his home, just yards away from his parents' home by
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Speaker 2: ruthless phone pirates who shoot him dead and then run
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Speaker 2: with his phone over what a cell phone? Good evening,
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Twenty two year old William Schmid is walking home after
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Speaker 3: watching the NBA Finals and spending the night out with friends. Then,
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Speaker 3: in an instant, everything changes. Surveillance cameras captured the young
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Speaker 3: man chasing two suspects who takes something from him, but
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Speaker 3: what begins as a desperate pursuit quickly turns dead.
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Speaker 2: That from our friends at w t x F, we
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Speaker 2: have the actual footage of Bill Schmidt getting gunned down,
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Speaker 2: industry bleeding out dead. We are choosing not to show
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Speaker 2: it on our own and at the request of Billy's family.
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Speaker 2: All of this over a cell phone. Billy Schmidt was
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Speaker 2: watching the NBA Finals that night with his friends. He
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Speaker 2: is a digital marketing major, a senior at Penn State.
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Speaker 2: Just a few months to ago before he got his degree,
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Speaker 2: making his whole family so proud. It was within his grasp.
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Speaker 2: On his way home from the NBA Finals, He's mining
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Speaker 2: his own business, walking along in a suburban neighborhood when
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Speaker 2: these two let me see the video where these two
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Speaker 2: little jackals banshees here they are. I've looked at the
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Speaker 2: video very carefully from many many angles, and we are
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Speaker 2: obtaining video from different cameras in the area, business and residential,
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Speaker 2: and they are casing the area, casing it, waiting, keep
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Speaker 2: showing it, please, waiting for a victim to emerge. If
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Speaker 2: you continue to watch, you will see them darting in
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Speaker 2: and out, hiding between cars, waiting on their prey. Now
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Speaker 2: keep watching. I'll tell you why we don't have an
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Speaker 2: idea yet because they're wearing masks and hoodies. But i'd
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Speaker 2: be looking at their hair, and I absolutely can identify
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Speaker 2: one particular hairstyle, and this hairstyle could have taken up
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Speaker 2: to hours to achieve in a salon. So it looks
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Speaker 2: to me like box braids coming down on one side.
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Speaker 2: This is just a tiny bit of the video we've obtained.
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Speaker 2: So they're walking around and around and around the area
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Speaker 2: until Billy Schmidt walks out, leaves his friends, hugs everybody goodbye.
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Speaker 2: He says, hey, guys, I love you. He's never seen
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Speaker 2: alive again. Over a cell phone. We're showing you a
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Speaker 2: very unique sweatshirt that this suspect one who is not
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Speaker 2: the trigger man, was wearing. I think he made that himself.
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Speaker 2: That said, we got a lot to talk about tonight,
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Speaker 2: because these two guys are still walking free. And I
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Speaker 2: guarantee you based on their gate, the way they carry themselves.
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Speaker 2: I think their giveniles definitely under twenty five, maybe younger,
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Speaker 2: and I think they live in the area where they
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Speaker 2: frequent the area. But the way they were darting in
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Speaker 2: and out of side streets. That said, let me go
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Speaker 2: to our panel of experts joining us tonight. Let me
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Speaker 2: first go out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter
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Speaker 2: joining us. What have you learned? What happened to Billy
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Speaker 2: this close to graduation?
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Speaker 4: Oh, Nancy? Billy was set to graduate this December. He
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Speaker 4: was so excited about this that it just boggles the mind.
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Speaker 4: He was majoring in Digital journalism and media through Penn State.
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Speaker 4: Now all he was doing. Nancy was walking home after
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Speaker 4: spending his evening with friends watching the NBA Finals, minding
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Speaker 4: his own business. He's walking home and he's close. He's
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Speaker 4: within a block of his home, Nancy, when his cell
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Speaker 4: phone is stolen from him by suspects one and two.
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Speaker 4: As you mentioned, the video that we have shows everything.
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Speaker 4: It shows him, shows Billy going after the suspects, giving
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Speaker 4: my phone back, giving my phone back, and for that
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Speaker 4: he gets shot in the chest.
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Speaker 2: Hey, look, Dave, Matt Look, look, look, look, look, look.
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Speaker 2: Suspect one is the taller guy in the gray T shirt.
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Speaker 2: There's a skull and crossbones, is I recall there at
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Speaker 2: three in all, and they're wearing halos. Suspect two is
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Speaker 2: the trigger person. Why don't we have them in? Yes today?
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Speaker 2: That said? What became of the cell phone, Dave mac It.
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Speaker 4: Was left in the street in the rain and recovered.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, I got a little a few facts to
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Speaker 2: add to that. To Joseph Jackalone joining us former NYPD sergeant.
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Speaker 2: He is the author of the Cold Case handbook This
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Speaker 2: isn't cold yet, okay, Joe, and I don't want it
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Speaker 2: to go cold. He's also author of the Criminal Investigative
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Speaker 2: Function A guy from New Investigators in the fourth edition,
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Speaker 2: which means a lot of people are reading it. He's
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Speaker 2: the star of true crime with the serge, and you
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Speaker 2: can find him at Joseph jackelone g I A C
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Speaker 2: A L O n E but pronounced jack Alone Joseph
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Speaker 2: jackalone dot com. Joe, thank you for being with us tonight. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let me see the video because I want the viewers
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Speaker 2: to see this. May they they may recognize anything. They
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Speaker 2: might recognize that sweatshirt, they may recognize their gate. You know,
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Speaker 2: I had a serial killer first identified by his unusual gait.
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Speaker 2: He kind of dragged one leg just a little bit
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Speaker 2: mm hm. That said keep looking the braids. Of course,
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Speaker 2: maybe he did them himself. But if he did that
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Speaker 2: at a salon, if it's got a unique pattern on
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Speaker 2: the top of his head, if he did it at
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Speaker 2: a salon, that could have take an hour. Somebody knows
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Speaker 2: who these people are, Joe, I've got him on video.
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Speaker 2: They touched the cell phone before as they ran, They
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Speaker 2: threw it away and it landed under a car. It
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Speaker 2: was recovered by none other than Billy's own father, who
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Speaker 2: went looking for it found it under a car. That
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Speaker 2: was a little miracle God turned for me. It was
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Speaker 2: run over in the middle of the street. It was
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Speaker 2: under a car. Why don't we have these guys, Jacqueline.
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Speaker 5: Well, I would say that they're juveniles and they probably
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Speaker 5: haven't been arrested yet and their fingerprints aren't in the system.
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Speaker 5: We also have their shirts because they remove them as
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Speaker 5: part of you know, to be able to blend back
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Speaker 5: into the crowd. So to me, that means that these
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Speaker 5: guys have done this before. And you can even see
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Speaker 5: the guy in the in the grey sweatshirt. He knows
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Speaker 5: where the cameras are. A couple of times he tucks down,
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Speaker 5: he pulls his things down, he knows where the cameras
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Speaker 5: are coming up.
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Speaker 6: So this is probably part of a pattern.
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be shocked about additional robberies in and around
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Speaker 5: the area based on the the mo of these two guys.
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Speaker 5: And you know once they're going to need they don't
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Speaker 5: need help from the public, they're going to need that tip.
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Speaker 6: And you know this is the way thrust stops.
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Speaker 2: Just remember I'm on your side here, I'm on your side.
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Speaker 2: But that's not what I ask you. How do we
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Speaker 2: catch these scotts. You start off by telling me you
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Speaker 2: think they're juveniles as well, That doesn't mean, they don't
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Speaker 2: have a record if they're juveniles. I guarantee you they've
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Speaker 2: got a GV record. I just can't get my hands
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Speaker 2: on it, and now it can longment. I've been in
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Speaker 2: the middle of a murder trial before. After I've gone
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Speaker 2: to GIV begging, begging for a record to create work
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Speaker 2: up similar transactions in a murder case and every other
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Speaker 2: kind of case. They won't hand those over. You've got
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Speaker 2: to get a judge's order to get into juvenile records.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you they're there. And juveniles do give fingerprints,
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Speaker 2: but they're not put in the federal or the state
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Speaker 2: database because they're juveniles. They're protected. But we've got their gay,
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Speaker 2: we've got their hair, we've got their clothing, very unique clothing.
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Speaker 2: We may have their fingerprints on the phone on Billy's
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Speaker 2: phone that ended up doing underneath a car. And I
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Speaker 2: can't even imagine what the dad goes through getting up
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Speaker 2: under a car. His son is dead and there he
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Speaker 2: is out in the straight industry on the wet pavement
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Speaker 2: it rained, looking for his baby's cell phone, I mean,
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Speaker 2: and he finds it. The dad finds it and then
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Speaker 2: crawls under a car on the pavement and gets that
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Speaker 2: cell phone. Do you know how valuable that piece of
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Speaker 2: that piece of evidence is? So Jack alone, why don't
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Speaker 2: we have him? You want to tell me nobody in
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Speaker 2: the city of Philadelphia knows who these two are.
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Speaker 5: They do, but they need to have the outreach into
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Speaker 5: the public. We need to see the council people come
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Speaker 5: out there and say, hey, we need the public's help
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Speaker 5: on this. I mean, listen, Nancy, you know these cases
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Speaker 5: are sold by public input all the time, and that's
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Speaker 5: where crime Stoppers comes into play. There are these people
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Speaker 5: definitely know who these kids are. I mean, is it
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Speaker 5: part of a gang? Is it part of all these
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Speaker 5: different aspects that they have to look at?
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Speaker 6: And unfortunately to need that phone call.
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Speaker 2: Refu is still a root. It's going to be we
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Speaker 2: have one.
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Speaker 7: So far then and turns around and shot once in
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Speaker 7: the chest. And now the sure was black, white hoodies,
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Speaker 7: black pants, black sneakers, one of the black malt Sittonville
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Speaker 7: five eighth to nine, white hoodie, black hands, black sneakers
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Speaker 7: was lasting westmelt On surfers.
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Speaker 1: To be on foot.
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Speaker 2: We got that was first from the Philly p D.
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Speaker 2: It was also on broadcast TOFI.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: These two knew what they were doing. Okay, Billy Schmidt
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Speaker 2: is dead. Billy Schmidt was scrubbed in Sunshine. That far
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Speaker 2: away from graduating with a degree. His dream was to
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Speaker 2: work in digital work with the Philadelphia Eagles. He was
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Speaker 2: so close. This is one of the apples of his
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Speaker 2: parent's eye. I mean all American walking home to his
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Speaker 2: parents home and out of the blue, two jackals attack
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Speaker 2: him for a sell phone. Now I said, I was
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Speaker 2: glad the control room played the shot of them with
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Speaker 2: now white T shirts on or T shirts. Let's see
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Speaker 2: that again, because they know enough to discard what they're wearing.
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Speaker 2: And here they go. You think I can't recognize you
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Speaker 2: by your gate And look at that reflector on the ankle,
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Speaker 2: the right ankle leg of the right perp. See him,
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Speaker 2: The taller one is suspect to the shorter one, the
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Speaker 2: trigger person is suspect one. They're still wearing masks. Hey,
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Speaker 2: COVID is over God willing. They're wearing masks for a reason.
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Speaker 2: They're hiding for a reason. They're darting in between cars
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Speaker 2: for a reason. This didn't just happen. This is premeditated murder.
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Speaker 2: And let me remind you, Matthew Mangino, veteran trial attorney
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Speaker 2: defense attorney, out of this jurisdiction, there is a death penalty.
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Speaker 2: They can't get it if they're under eighteen, according to
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Speaker 2: our US Supreme Court. Okay, I'm fine with that, but
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Speaker 2: but they can be tried for murder. They can be
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Speaker 2: tried for murder, and this is murder. They did not
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Speaker 2: know Billy Schmidt. They had no argument with Schmidt. Schmidt
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Speaker 2: was with his friends watching the NBA Finals up until
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Speaker 2: he stepped out of that bar. No beef, no problem,
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Speaker 2: no prior grudge, nothing. They stalk him, they catch him,
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Speaker 2: they kill him over a cell phone. Tell me one
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Speaker 2: way that is not murder.
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Speaker 8: One Yeah, So I guess the issue here is, you
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Speaker 8: know what level of homicide this might be. I mean,
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Speaker 8: clearly we see that the defendant, the defendants in this case,
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Speaker 8: or the or the accused suspects ran away and the
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Speaker 8: victim ran after them.
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Speaker 6: You know that certainly he wants his phone back.
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Speaker 8: But you know, could this have been avoided if he
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Speaker 8: said lets put him up?
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Speaker 2: Are you suggesting with a straight face that Schmidt Billy Schmidt,
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Speaker 2: a twenty two year old Penn State senior somehow turned
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Speaker 2: into the aggressor because he chased him to get his
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Speaker 2: cell phone. Because I think that's where you're headed. That's
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Speaker 2: a simple yes, no, yes, okay, all right. We may
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Speaker 2: not lie what man Gino is saying, but that's the
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Speaker 2: kind of argument that a defense will make if and
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Speaker 2: when this goes to trial, and if they get one
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Speaker 2: juror that buys into That's how Matthew Mangino wins so
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Speaker 2: many cases. Before he was a defense became a defense attorney,
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Speaker 2: he was a veteran prosecutor. He's also the author of
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Speaker 2: The Executioner's Toll. Matthew Mangino, I'm going to give you
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Speaker 2: a few moments to think about what you've just said,
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Speaker 2: and in the meantime to doctor Jerlyne Utter out of
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Speaker 2: this jurisdiction, clinical psychologist specializing in evaluations and high risk
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Speaker 2: assessments in the criminal justice system, author of Mainlining Philly,
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Speaker 2: author of Aftershock, and producer of Utter Nonsense documentary about addiction.
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Speaker 2: Doctor jerreln Utter, I hope you're not going to try
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Speaker 2: and argue some addiction defense to me. But my first
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Speaker 2: question to you is all of this over a cell phone?
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Speaker 2: A cell phone and I can tell these two are
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Speaker 2: cell phone pirates. This is not the first time they've
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Speaker 2: done that. I mean, what can you get from a
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Speaker 2: used for U cell phone thirty five dollars max somewhere.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, Nancy. When I heard about this case,
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Speaker 9: it broke my heart. But unfortunately, I've been seeing it
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Speaker 9: a lot lately, especially in juvenile court with a lot
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Speaker 9: of the evaluations that I've been conducting, and this is commonplace.
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Speaker 10: We're seeing this a lot.
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Speaker 9: And I know when you look at it, you're like, oh,
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Speaker 9: it's a cell phone, it's worth thirty five bucks. But
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Speaker 9: that's not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about,
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Speaker 9: in my opinion, is gang related activity and gang related
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Speaker 9: violence amongst juveniles. The cell phone is just probably what
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Speaker 9: their tasks to do or something that they have going
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Speaker 9: on amongst themselves. So what we're looking at is gang violence.
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Speaker 9: We're looking at, my opinion, juveniles I have access to firearms,
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Speaker 9: and the biggest thing that we're looking at is this
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Speaker 9: normalized level ofviolence. It is very common in Philadelphia and
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Speaker 9: the surrounding areas for kids to carry firearms, to have
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Speaker 9: guns on them, to.
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Speaker 10: Fletch those guns.
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Speaker 9: I don't think we fully appreciate or understand the level
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Speaker 9: of or the lack of understanding that these kids have
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Speaker 9: when they're carrying guns and they're not afraid to use them.
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Speaker 9: I mean instead of just you know, fighting with your
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Speaker 9: hands or whatever it was, that's not the option. The
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Speaker 9: first thing they do is they pull out a gun
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Speaker 9: and they shoot, and unfortunately, Billy was somebody that was
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Speaker 9: a victim of this violence. Another thing that I wanted
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Speaker 9: to bring up, Nancy, when you were showing that sweatshirt,
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Speaker 9: there was a name at the bottom of the sweatshirt.
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Speaker 9: I wonder if that is somehow a gang identifier, or
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Speaker 9: if it's the kid who is wearing it their social
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Speaker 9: media handle. I think that's something that the public should
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Speaker 9: really pay attention to because I think that that's a clue.
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Speaker 2: Keep up that shirt place, keep the shirt up place.
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Speaker 2: I also wonder, doctor Jeralen Utter about the halos that
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Speaker 2: are put over the three skulls. I've seen the skulls everywhere,
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Speaker 2: but with a halo over them, I wonder what that means.
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Speaker 2: Has got to mean something.
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Speaker 10: I think it's very telling.
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Speaker 9: And the other thing is their I believe they're juveniles
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Speaker 9: just by you know, the way that they're walking, the
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Speaker 9: way they're carrying themselves. They work with juveniles on a
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Speaker 9: regular basis. The thing that's scary about this is, let's say,
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Speaker 9: for example, the juvenile is fifteen years old. Sixteen years old,
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Speaker 9: the goal would be to try the juvenile who killed
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Speaker 9: Billy as an adult. And then what the court then
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Speaker 9: has to figure out is if the kid's sixteen years old,
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Speaker 9: if five years, because the juvenile court can monitor a
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Speaker 9: kid up until the age of twenty one, is enough
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Speaker 9: to rehabilitate them for the crime that they commit.
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Speaker 2: It Okay, you know I'm not ready to take in rehabilitation.
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Speaker 2: My recommendation for the court since they're you cannot get
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Speaker 2: the death penalty for a juvenile, and I agree with
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Speaker 2: that with the US Supreme Court. My recommendation in cases
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Speaker 2: like this, when I would try a case or take
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Speaker 2: a play on a case, would be life behind bars.
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Speaker 2: They may stay in juvenile which they would under the law,
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Speaker 2: until they are twenty to twenty one. Then they go
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Speaker 2: into the adult system. Look, I don't want to see
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Speaker 2: a juvenile in the adult system. I don't like seeing
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Speaker 2: a young man in the adult system with wizened, hardened
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Speaker 2: criminals but more important than that, I have to side
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Speaker 2: with the crime victim. My point is all of this
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Speaker 2: over a cell phone. I'm being joined now by Anna Schmidt.
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Speaker 2: This is Billy's sister, and mister Bill Schmidt, this is
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Speaker 2: Billy's father. To Anna and mister Schmidt, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with.
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Speaker 10: Us tonight, you well, thank you for having us.
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Speaker 2: Mister Schmidt. I thought about you so much this last
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Speaker 2: Sunday and I was wondering how you got through that day.
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Speaker 2: How did you get through Father's Day?
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Speaker 11: Well, Sunday was brought to get through. But one thing
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Speaker 11: I didn't want to say.
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Speaker 6: Uh uh.
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Speaker 11: He wasn't killed over a cell phone. They were looking
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Speaker 11: at them. They were looking to go somebody in advance.
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Speaker 11: The cel phone had nothing to do with it. They
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Speaker 11: were just track, trying to track someone down.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? Because they did take
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Speaker 2: a cell phone. But I fear you. What do you
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Speaker 2: mean they were trying to track someone down?
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Speaker 11: They were looking for someone. They have a video. They
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Speaker 11: were looking for someone for an over a half hour
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Speaker 11: before them was attacked someone before him, but they took
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Speaker 11: They took the film to beat him to run across
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Speaker 11: the street. They were looking to shoot somebody. So it's
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Speaker 11: not about the cell phone.
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Speaker 2: Mister Schmidt. That makes perfect sense, because after all they
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Speaker 2: went through, then they threw away the cell phone.
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Speaker 11: They threw the phone to get him to run across
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Speaker 11: the street. It wasn't about the cellphone was trying. They
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Speaker 11: were just trying to kill somebody.
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Speaker 2: Why they didn't even know Billy.
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Speaker 10: I don't know why I axed that every day.
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Speaker 2: Mister Schmidt. You know, there was a time after my
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Speaker 2: fiancee was murdered, I wondered, but it was very brief.
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Speaker 2: Why why for nothing? They didn't even know each other?
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Speaker 2: And it was very quickly after that I realized for me,
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Speaker 2: why didn't even matter because I couldn't change anything. Well,
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Speaker 2: I still don't understand. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm
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Speaker 2: saying you're right because you know more about the case
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Speaker 2: than any of us. But Anna, why would they bait
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Speaker 2: your brother to run across the street just to kill
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Speaker 2: him and then.
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Speaker 12: Through I mean why, I just think that because they're animals.
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Speaker 12: They just saw that he was walking home alone.
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Speaker 10: From the bar, so they took advantage of him.
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Speaker 12: I mean, I don't understand why they would take away
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Speaker 12: somebody who has such a great future ahead and loved
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Speaker 12: by so much family and friends.
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Speaker 2: And.
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Speaker 10: As we see like through the community as well.
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Speaker 12: I mean, he was always active and doing so much
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Speaker 12: with his friends and family. So I think they just
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Speaker 12: took advantage and saw an opportunity where he was vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: Mister Schmidt, what do you recall of that night?
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Speaker 11: Well, I'm upsetting the fact that I saw the police
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Speaker 11: sirens and everything go by. H answer, it occurred, but
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Speaker 11: I didn't go out because lights go by every night.
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Speaker 11: I wish I could have, you know, I would have
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Speaker 11: got up and went outside. The last thing I remember is,
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Speaker 11: you know him tell me invited me to go with him,
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Speaker 11: and you know, I said, just go with your friends earlier.
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Speaker 2: That was around nine He invited you to go out
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Speaker 2: with him to see the NBA final.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, mister Schmidt.
24:03
Speaker 2: Do you ever think what could I have done to
24:09
Speaker 2: stop this? Yeah?
24:12
Speaker 6: Every day I do. I wish I would have changed
24:18
Speaker 6: my mind.
24:19
Speaker 2: And when Anna, what do you recall him that night?
24:23
Speaker 13: I was actually in Boston with my boyfriend that weekend.
24:27
Speaker 13: We left that Friday morning, and I didn't find out
24:31
Speaker 13: till Saturday morning, when I woke up to a phone
24:37
Speaker 13: calls and text to call them back, and I mean
24:45
Speaker 13: just sitting with feel real like when they said Billy,
24:49
Speaker 13: I just said, who like Billy? Who I don't like?
24:54
Speaker 13: My first thought would not have been my brother. He's
25:01
Speaker 13: just such like a harmless person and like just so
25:05
Speaker 13: genuine and nice and kind. So that's why hearing something
25:10
Speaker 13: like that over the phone it was hard to believe,
25:17
Speaker 13: especially being so far away.
25:18
Speaker 10: I had to come home as soon as I could.
25:23
Speaker 2: How is the rest of your family holding up, Anna.
25:26
Speaker 10: I guess it's just day by day.
25:28
Speaker 12: It's hard, you know, everywhere we go, like all our
25:35
Speaker 12: family members that we see, you know, almost every day.
25:40
Speaker 12: I mean, it's just sad because every time we spend
25:44
Speaker 12: time with family, he should be there.
25:48
Speaker 10: So it's almost like weird that he's not with us.
25:53
Speaker 12: I can still feel him in the room and we're
26:01
Speaker 12: me and him were like on one of our younger cousins,
26:04
Speaker 12: so it's always like just been me and him, and
26:11
Speaker 12: I think I always wish I could just go into
26:13
Speaker 12: the other room and just talked to him, and just
26:18
Speaker 12: can't anymore. So for my grandparents too, it's hard.
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Speaker 2: Was it just you and Billy? Is that your only sibling?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, we're eighteen or six eighteen eighteen months apart,
26:39
Speaker 12: so we're pretty close.
26:41
Speaker 10: We're only a grade level a part in school.
26:45
Speaker 2: Anna, you remind me so much of My daughter and
26:49
Speaker 2: my son are twins, and in school, all the teachers
26:55
Speaker 2: said you have to separate them, and my daughter especially
26:59
Speaker 2: would cry that she did not want to be apart
27:03
Speaker 2: from John David all the way back to pre pre
27:06
Speaker 2: pre k. And they stayed together through school the whole way.
27:12
Speaker 2: They just graduated high school and now they're going to
27:15
Speaker 2: be separated. And I hear what you're saying is just
27:19
Speaker 2: there's a bond that can never be broken between two siblings,
27:27
Speaker 2: just the two of you. When you say you feel
27:31
Speaker 2: him in the room, what do you mean by that?
27:35
Speaker 12: Like when we're all around family, like, it doesn't really
27:38
Speaker 12: hit me as much because I feel like he's just
27:41
Speaker 12: like in the other room talking to my grandparents or something. Okay,
27:46
Speaker 12: every time when we all hang out, it almost feels
27:49
Speaker 12: like he is there with us, and it's just like
27:53
Speaker 12: really hard, kind of like them and everyone leaves.
27:57
Speaker 2: Mister Schmidt, Bill Schmidt. His son is named after him,
28:03
Speaker 2: Billy Schmidt. Mister Schmidt, how did you come upon your
28:10
Speaker 2: son's phone? Which could be an extremely important piece of
28:14
Speaker 2: evidence if there are fingerprints on it, because they don't
28:16
Speaker 2: appear to be wearing gloves.
28:19
Speaker 11: They told me it happened on the nineteen hundred buck
28:22
Speaker 11: of Durfer. I thought it was nineteenth in Durfer. I
28:25
Speaker 11: didn't really believe it at first. I went up and
28:28
Speaker 11: I didn't see crime seeming deep.
28:32
Speaker 6: I just tried.
28:33
Speaker 11: Dilling the number and looking at the poon, and I
28:38
Speaker 11: found that it was in between Durfer and Wolf, like
28:43
Speaker 11: halfway up the block.
28:46
Speaker 6: So was sure before a pointy the wolf.
28:49
Speaker 11: So evidently they they threw picked it up, and then
28:53
Speaker 11: they went and did shit again.
28:56
Speaker 10: Under another part.
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Speaker 2: Have police told you anything about the possibility of prints.
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Speaker 11: There are a few prints on the phone. Others look
29:09
Speaker 11: into that right now, as far as I'm know.
29:14
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be very difficult if they're partial prints,
29:17
Speaker 2: but it can be done. I've got no doubt in
29:20
Speaker 2: my mind that these two have committed crimes before, just
29:24
Speaker 2: by their demeanor. I can't explain it to Joe Jack
29:28
Speaker 2: alone joining us former NYPD sergeant and author, you know
29:35
Speaker 2: it's something you can't explain totally. But when you have
29:40
Speaker 2: tried as many cases as I've tried or investigate it
29:43
Speaker 2: as many cases as you and I literally tens of
29:46
Speaker 2: thousands of cases. You get a feel for the crime.
29:50
Speaker 2: This was definitely not the first time these two had
29:53
Speaker 2: committed a crime. They knew what they were doing. They wait,
29:57
Speaker 2: they lay in, wait, they waited, They searched for a victim.
30:00
Speaker 2: They found a victim. And I believe what mister Schmidt
30:05
Speaker 2: is saying. I don't know that it was ever about
30:08
Speaker 2: the cell phone. They lured him and shot him. They
30:13
Speaker 2: didn't even know him. What I'm saying is this is
30:17
Speaker 2: not their first crime. So my point is, even if
30:21
Speaker 2: they're juveniles, what about getting those prints? Aren't juveniles prints
30:26
Speaker 2: in a database? And what can you tell me about ballistics.
30:31
Speaker 2: Don't you think this bullet or sheelcasing has been entered
30:34
Speaker 2: into nibbing the National Ballistics Database.
30:38
Speaker 5: The problem that you're dealing with here is you have
30:40
Speaker 5: a district attorney who has been very friendly to criminals,
30:44
Speaker 5: specifically juveniles, and I don't know if you're going to
30:47
Speaker 5: be able to get access to those cases. So the
30:49
Speaker 5: cops really have there behind the eight ball in certain
30:52
Speaker 5: aspects of some of the tools that they should have.
30:55
Speaker 5: I think there are other video surveillance of these guys.
30:58
Speaker 5: I'm still going to call on the public to be
31:00
Speaker 5: able to provide the information to find these guys. But
31:04
Speaker 5: you know, Nancy, as you know these guns, they refer
31:07
Speaker 5: to them as community guns. They just get passed around.
31:09
Speaker 5: That gun ended up in the hands of another member.
31:11
Speaker 5: If this is a gang and they just keep on
31:13
Speaker 5: passing it off, that's part of the problem. So even
31:16
Speaker 5: if they get a hit in I've been the fact
31:20
Speaker 5: that if you find the gun, even that person that
31:22
Speaker 5: possessing it is not going to be charged with.
31:24
Speaker 6: That murder unless they have some other corroborating evidence.
31:27
Speaker 2: Well, I guarantee you if we find the gun, that
31:31
Speaker 2: will be a rat who will rat out who has
31:34
Speaker 2: had the.
31:35
Speaker 1: Gun crime stores With Nancy Grace.
31:47
Speaker 2: We do know a single spent shellcasing was found. You
31:52
Speaker 2: can still get evidence off of shellcasing even though it's
31:55
Speaker 2: not the bullet. I don't believe this is an isolated incident.
32:00
Speaker 2: What is concerning me the most, not from an evidentiary
32:04
Speaker 2: point at all. To Dr Thomas Coin joining us out
32:07
Speaker 2: of Tallahassee Esteemed Medical Examiner, They're in District eight, State
32:16
Speaker 2: of Florida, toxicologists, pathologists, neuropathologist. Doctor Coin tell me about
32:22
Speaker 2: Billy's injury because he did not die instantly.
32:27
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, gunshot, wound of the chest. I'm sure you know.
32:31
Speaker 14: We're all were. The chest has a number of vital organs,
32:33
Speaker 14: So the heart's on our left side, the lungs on
32:36
Speaker 14: the right and left, and the lungs have numerous arteries,
32:39
Speaker 14: the a arta, which is the main artery that comes
32:41
Speaker 14: off of our chest and travels down through our chest.
32:44
Speaker 14: So if a bullet strikes any one of those structures,
32:47
Speaker 14: you will have a rapid and high volume of blood loss,
32:50
Speaker 14: and so you could probably bleed out into your chest
32:53
Speaker 14: cavity enough blood buying to lose consciousness within thirty seconds,
32:56
Speaker 14: and you can potentially have your heart stop or stop
33:00
Speaker 14: being within a minute. But the whole time you're conscious,
33:03
Speaker 14: you know it's not an injury through the head, and
33:05
Speaker 14: so unfortunately Billy would have been consciously aware of the
33:09
Speaker 14: fact that he was injured. And the other thing is
33:12
Speaker 14: that right in our chest is our spine, so your
33:14
Speaker 14: spinal cord is there as well. So if the ball
33:16
Speaker 14: happens to hit the spine or pass to the spinal cord,
33:19
Speaker 14: the person may become paralyzed from the chest down, so
33:22
Speaker 14: he may have dropped immediately to the ground and had
33:26
Speaker 14: been laying there while he was bleeding into his chest.
33:28
Speaker 2: Heavity important. The braids, of course, we all know there
33:33
Speaker 2: are multiple types of braids. You got corn rows, You
33:36
Speaker 2: got corn rows with the fade, you got box braids.
33:40
Speaker 2: There are individual braids that hang free. You got two
33:42
Speaker 2: strand twist, that's a dy, you got freestyle, so many more.
33:46
Speaker 2: Why do I care? Because if the braids, which look
33:50
Speaker 2: like to be box braids, we're done in a salon,
33:54
Speaker 2: someone will recognize him. I guarantee you tonight as somebody
33:59
Speaker 2: has shave their head or they're wearing a head covering,
34:03
Speaker 2: they're wearing a d rag tonight, I guarantee you that question.
34:08
Speaker 2: Back to mister Schmidt, Bill Schmidt joining us. Were the
34:13
Speaker 2: sweatshirts recovered? Mister Schmidt.
34:18
Speaker 11: As short as didn't know they were on the twenty
34:21
Speaker 11: seven hundred wacko got Clueland Street, because that is.
34:26
Speaker 2: Going to be full of DNA, full of DNA. They're
34:32
Speaker 2: suspect one. Suspect one is not the shooter. The police
34:37
Speaker 2: have named suspect two to be the shooter, Anna Schmidt,
34:44
Speaker 2: what is your message tonight?
34:51
Speaker 10: Someone knows who they are and they're seeing the news
34:58
Speaker 10: and say anything.
35:01
Speaker 12: So I just like, like they took away somebody who
35:05
Speaker 12: was so loved and had such a bright future, and
35:10
Speaker 12: I want somebody to speak up because what they did
35:13
Speaker 12: was inhumane and we deserve the peace of knowing that
35:20
Speaker 12: these animals are captured. So I just urged that there
35:28
Speaker 12: is that twenty thousand dollars reward for anyone who knows
35:34
Speaker 12: any information. And and I miss him.
35:40
Speaker 10: We miss him so much, and he was so loved.
35:44
Speaker 2: Anna, do you ever wake up in the morning and
35:50
Speaker 2: just for a few seconds even I think everything is normal,
35:55
Speaker 2: and then you remember.
35:57
Speaker 10: Yeah, every day and almost feels like it's not real.
36:02
Speaker 12: Yet I still feel like sometimes she's here, And then
36:10
Speaker 12: the next I can hear a song or you know.
36:13
Speaker 10: See something that reminds me of him, and remember that
36:16
Speaker 10: I won't be able make any more memories with him.
36:22
Speaker 2: What makes you think of him? What song? What makes
36:26
Speaker 2: you remember him?
36:27
Speaker 10: Oh? Anything by.
36:30
Speaker 12: Zach Bryan or Billy Joel. And he loved he likes
36:34
Speaker 12: Steely Dan. He really did like love music so and
36:40
Speaker 12: we shared a lot of that same music, So it's
36:43
Speaker 12: hard like listening to songs because now, like every song reminds.
36:50
Speaker 13: Me of him.
36:51
Speaker 12: Anything Philly sports related. He was, you know, this smartest
36:55
Speaker 12: person on stats and everything like that, and you know
37:03
Speaker 12: it's like every for us, like Philly sports is everywhere,
37:07
Speaker 12: and it all reminds me of him.
37:11
Speaker 2: What did he want to do with the Eagles? Anna?
37:15
Speaker 12: He wanted to either he was studying like communications, so
37:22
Speaker 12: something either along the lines in marketing or.
37:27
Speaker 10: Like broadcasting. I actually helped him make his LinkedIn so
37:33
Speaker 10: I can help him like start applying to jobs for
37:36
Speaker 10: when he graduated.
37:38
Speaker 2: We're looking at photos of him right now, and his eyes,
37:43
Speaker 2: those big beautiful eyes when they look at the camera,
37:47
Speaker 2: it just looks like he's just so pure, mister Schmidt.
37:54
Speaker 2: Does it make you wonder like I have so many times,
37:59
Speaker 2: why wonderful, good people with pure hearts, why do they
38:08
Speaker 2: end up being crime victims? Why can't the horrible people
38:14
Speaker 2: go away instead of somebody like Billy.
38:20
Speaker 6: I don't have any words should that.
38:25
Speaker 11: He's the last personal world I would think this should
38:27
Speaker 11: happen to, Like we said, who's just a nice person?
38:35
Speaker 2: You know?
38:35
Speaker 11: He never I've never had to argue with him anything
38:39
Speaker 11: in my whole life. He was just a nice kid,
38:44
Speaker 11: and he's someone that did not desert this.
38:47
Speaker 2: Mister Smith, Will you tell me a story about him, anything,
38:51
Speaker 2: something about him growing up? Something he said, like, I
38:55
Speaker 2: remember my dad. My dad was a great dancer. He
38:59
Speaker 2: put us through school. He and my mom working for
39:01
Speaker 2: the Norfolk Southern Railroad every day, sometimes a swing shift.
39:05
Speaker 2: And I remember he came home so tired and we
39:08
Speaker 2: didn't have any furniture in the living room because we
39:11
Speaker 2: couldn't afford any at all, and he would turn on
39:15
Speaker 2: the stereo and I would stand on his feet and
39:19
Speaker 2: he taught me to dance, and we had plenty of
39:22
Speaker 2: room because we didn't have any furniture, right. So that's
39:26
Speaker 2: one of my memories of my dad. Can you tell
39:29
Speaker 2: me something about Billy anything.
39:34
Speaker 11: I just remember when he was young in baseball on
39:38
Speaker 11: my east coach room for a few years and we
39:42
Speaker 11: have a picture and it's just him went to the
39:46
Speaker 11: last Philus Kim went Ryan Howard when they won the
39:49
Speaker 11: won the National League East Tittle and we got a
39:54
Speaker 11: one hundred pence autograph and I have him sitting the
39:57
Speaker 11: dugout of the Philly Suga and it was just a
40:03
Speaker 11: great moment picture we have, you know, at that game.
40:08
Speaker 6: But he was just so low key and he just
40:14
Speaker 6: he gave anything, anything you wanted.
40:17
Speaker 2: And I don't want to keep you all too late
40:19
Speaker 2: after having to relive all this, but could you just
40:23
Speaker 2: give me a story about Billy.
40:25
Speaker 10: Yeah, this is like one of my favorite recent ones.
40:32
Speaker 10: I can I can April me and him run a
40:37
Speaker 10: ten at ten k.
40:39
Speaker 12: In Philly together and I'm so bad at running and
40:44
Speaker 12: we kind of just did it to like do it together.
40:47
Speaker 10: And I was literally so slow, like my pace I was.
40:53
Speaker 12: We were lrilying, lapped around by the people doing the
40:55
Speaker 12: fifteen k and like instead of like just running and
41:00
Speaker 12: you know for him to hit a pr and anything
41:02
Speaker 12: like that, he just ran next to me the whole time,
41:05
Speaker 12: and like every time I like took a break, he
41:07
Speaker 12: stopped with me, and you know, like even throughout the
41:15
Speaker 12: whole thing, he was just like telling me, like how
41:18
Speaker 12: good I'm doing and then my breathing is good and
41:21
Speaker 12: I'm having a good pace and he was just so
41:23
Speaker 12: supportive and kind and he did all that just so
41:30
Speaker 12: we can run through to finish line together.
41:32
Speaker 10: And I have the video and it really is like
41:36
Speaker 10: wan to wait that it's from that day, and it
41:39
Speaker 10: really is one of my favorite memories with him.
41:43
Speaker 2: You know, Anna and Bill. I hear the twins and
41:49
Speaker 2: they're about to go away to school, to college, and
41:52
Speaker 2: they're going to be separated for the first time, and
41:56
Speaker 2: they're already talking about, Hey, at Thanksgiving, we're gonna we're
41:59
Speaker 2: gonna we're kinda at Christmas, we're gonna have gonna kind
42:01
Speaker 2: of got it kind of. And you never think that
42:06
Speaker 2: that's not gonna happen. You never think I'm not gonna
42:12
Speaker 2: be with them, and it's very hard to take in.
42:18
Speaker 2: And I mean, I know you never thought that this
42:22
Speaker 2: summer you wouldn't have them.
42:25
Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah, it's hard because we We've made like so
42:33
Speaker 12: many plans this summer to do like another race and
42:39
Speaker 12: this time for me to prepare for it, and like
42:44
Speaker 12: plans for his birthday down to shore his birthdays in August,
42:49
Speaker 12: so you know, just it's hard because we had so
42:52
Speaker 12: much to look forward to.
42:56
Speaker 2: For everyone listening tonight, I know that you can feel
43:02
Speaker 2: mister Schmidt and Annas suffering. We cannot bring Billy back,
43:10
Speaker 2: but we can't seek justice.
43:12
Speaker 3: Nineteen year old Caddaffi Fleming being sought for the murder
43:15
Speaker 3: of Billy Schmidt as well as the theft of an
43:18
Speaker 3: off duty police officer's car, has surrendered to authorities.
43:22
Speaker 6: Fleming.
43:22
Speaker 3: Sixteen year old brother Azubayer out in Fleming, was arrested
43:26
Speaker 3: by the US Marshall Service at a relative's house in
43:28
Speaker 3: Colorado Springs, Colorado.
43:30
Speaker 2: Weeks ago.
43:31
Speaker 3: The second suspect hunted by authorities for the murder of
43:33
Speaker 3: college student Billy Schmidt turned himself in after more than
43:36
Speaker 3: two months on the lamb. US Marshall say the public
43:39
Speaker 3: and the media played important roles in the case that
43:42
Speaker 3: began in the early morning hours of June sixth. After
43:45
Speaker 3: watching the NBA Finals with friends, Schmidt was walking home
43:48
Speaker 3: alone in South Philly when he was accosted by two suspects,
43:51
Speaker 3: with one of the assailants stilling Schmid's phone. With most
43:54
Speaker 3: of the crime caught on multiple neighborhood security cameras, Schmid
43:58
Speaker 3: is seen following the men and confronting them over the phone.
44:01
Speaker 3: Security video appears the show Schmidt saying give me back
44:04
Speaker 3: my phone. A gunshot was then heard in The twenty
44:06
Speaker 3: two year old rising senior at Penn State was shot
44:09
Speaker 3: in the chest just steps from his home.
44:11
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about who
44:16
Speaker 2: took Billy away from his family, please dial two one
44:20
Speaker 2: five six eight six eight four seven seven repeat two
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Speaker 2: one six six' eight six eight four seven seven. Tonight
44:32
Speaker 2: we remember American hero Chief Ralph Brooks, Anchion PD, New Hampshire,
44:38
Speaker 2: passed away in the line of duty after eleven years,
44:41
Speaker 2: leaving behind two grieving children sentenced to life without dad,
44:47
Speaker 2: Jennifer and Ralph. American hero Chief Ralph Brooks. Thank you
44:54
Speaker 2: to our guest, especially mister Schmidt and sister Anna Nancy
45:01
Speaker 2: Gray signing up for tonight, and again I implore you
45:04
Speaker 2: if you know anything about this case, please dial police.
45:09
Speaker 2: There is a twenty thousand dollar reward. God willing, I'll
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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,