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Jerm Warfare - Tim Hinchliffe on balancing progress and privacy · UK Column Radio

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What is the sociable? The Sociable is a website, well,
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it's a it's a news portal, news blog that I actually started
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working on in 10 days or on October 30th, it'll be 10 years
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that I've been running that site and it's.
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That's pretty good. Started off writing about AI and
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the Epic of Gilgamesh and Humanities quest for digital
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digital immortality. But no, it's a it's a place
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where try to track tech and how it affects society.
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And so I look into what defense departments, you know,
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government stuff, intelligence agencies with how they develop
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some of the tech, how that gets transferred over to big tech and
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vice versa. And then going into what kind of
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legislation goes about. And then also a lot of stuff on
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policy. So policies.
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On. How tech is used and, and so
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that's, that's a lot of either either from governments or from
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NGOs, you know, and globalists and stuff that that's the kind
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of area. How deep do you dive?
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Do I do kind of medium dives because I, I put out, it's not
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like a lot of Evergreen content, although there's quite, there's
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some of that, but it's kind of looking at the day-to-day stuff
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or week to week stuff. And so once you know, you start
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reporting on those enough, then you get a bigger sense of kind
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of where something is moving in what kind of direction.
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And then I'll do a little bit of a deeper dive.
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But it's nothing like, you know, more than I think 10 minutes of
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reading time maybe is about the longest I've I've done on a
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writing thing. But I try, you know?
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I do direct sources and quotes and stuff and try to bring all
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the receipts as well. Yeah, digital influence is
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probably one of the biggest talking points actually, if you
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think about it, because I mean, Technocracy, New World Order,
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Build Back Better, what, The Great Reset, all of these terms
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that generally mean the same thing all directly involved
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technology. Yeah, because I mean, Even so
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the Great Reset thing, that's kind of going back to the New
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World Order thing. But as far as the tech side
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goes, especially when you're talking about the Great Reset,
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that's what's powering that. So when Klaus Schwab and Chucky
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sausage fingers Rex when he was the Prince, King of England was
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a Prince, they launched the Great Reset together in June of
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2020. And so that's a great reset of
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societal contracts and of the global economy, they said.
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But what's powering that is Schwab's term, the 4th
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industrial Revolution, which is an infusion of our digital,
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biological and physical identities.
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So that's what it's it's the merger of all the different
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technologies, AI, virtual reality, augmented reality in
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the future, quantum computing, but also biological technologies
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and all that. Yeah.
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I mean, that's why you end up with sort of like like biometric
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recognition, facial recognition and these sorts of things.
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It's the merger of of exactly those philosophical and
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scientific talking points. Yeah, basically.
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And it's, well, it's basically going down to transhumanism in
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the in the future. It's kind of like what it's
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going towards. But you know, for now, you've
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got, you know, airports are pretty much, I mean, countries
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all over the world are, are getting advanced in this and
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pushing through this agenda, this digital ID 1 biometric one
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very in a very big way. But you know, airports have
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almost got locked down, you know, And so these things, it's,
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you know, if you look at what these digital identity systems
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are, some people say it's on a smartphone, you know, but
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eventually that's not going to matter.
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It's, it's you, it's your face, it's a camera, it's a, it's a
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probe, it's a sensor, it's, it's whatever.
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Even in in the UK, they're Advanced Research and innovation
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agency, which is modelled after DARPA in the United States,
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they're going after something to re engineer stuff in nature and
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why. And then the who's the other the
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UN in the Rockefeller Foundation using that they want to monitor
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and put a digital Ida nature ID on everything in nature.
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So I don't think nature has a cell phone or a mobile phone,
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you know, a mobile device, but still they're going to do a
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digital public infrastructure to monitor, track and take control
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of all land and resources and biodiversity.
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I often find myself having a bit of a personal tug of war with
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these concepts because the way we often talk about them on my
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show and and online and everything else is it's always
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bad. It's always nefarious.
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And I sometimes wonder whether that's a little bit too much
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like being like a Luddite. I mean, not everything that's
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technological is bad. I mean, technology is largely a
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set of tools which can be used for good and for bad.
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Yeah, I mean, you can use a hammer to build a house, or you
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can bash someone's brains in with it.
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You know, depending how you use it, Yeah, Inherently, I've also
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seen these arguments as well. Some people say that, you know,
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a certain type of technology that's only purpose is for bad
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or to spy or to manipulate. You know, for me, it comes down
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to, at least for now, the people who are controlling it or when
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in charge. And it's about trust.
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So yeah, I mean, digital ID, digital identity systems can be
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a godsend. They can make everything easier.
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And then they actually promise to do that.
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And they probably will, but you know, at what cost That's the
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people, you know, in charge using.
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I mean, in a future where there's AI and especially mixed
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with the quantum computing or whatever, then I don't know what
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kind of alien entity is entering into the system there, whether
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there's actually any human input.
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But for now it's that, yeah, it's, I don't want to be a
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Luddite either. You know, I try to, I only got a
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mobile phone, what, 2 1/2 years ago.
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You know, I, I'm, I'm 40 now so I just got one just a little bit
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ago out of wanting to, you know, for, for banking stuff and for
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like doing bills and stuff like that because it's just, you
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know, living out in middle of nowhere in Columbia and on top
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of mountain. It got a little more difficult
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yeah, but yeah, there's luckily, I mean, you can still pay in
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cash here, but it's not the greatest, you know, they still
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have to go through the banking system, still got, you know,
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your debit cards and what have you.
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So yeah, I'm not allowed. I, I don't.
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The digital ID thing, yeah, it's coming.
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It's already here and a lot of people already do have it and
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use it, but it's kind of like how you navigate through it
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right now. You know, I'm, when I was first
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reporting on it like 5, about five years ago in the Great
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Reset. And like my first story on
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digital ID was your digital identity could be used against
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you in the events of a great Reset.
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And the, the image that I had for that article was up a voodoo
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doll because I thought that was very appropriate.
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Because whatever you prick over here, it's going to happen to
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you, you know, kind of like a quantum, like an entanglement
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thing. And plus it had stuff to do with
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the coming vaccine passports as well.
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But yeah, the technology itself again, yeah, I'm not going to be
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one of those. I used to be so gung ho and like
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reject this, don't you know? But the ways when it's getting
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out, it's not like you signing up for it.
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You know, this could be if you do have a phone, the government
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can just like have the net app downloaded onto your phone or
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something or whatever tech company they they partner with
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or, you know, just if you go someplace, it's like no, stop.
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If you don't have a phone, well, here's here's a here's a little
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paper card, maybe if they'll mail it to you with a QR code on
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it, or if not that just every single while they're installing
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CCCCCTV cameras everywhere. That's you.
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I mean, your eye, your palm, your, your gate movement.
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I think that's one that I don't, I know you would recently went
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to China. I don't know if they say
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anything about gate gate recognition, but that's when I
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read it. That was coming out there as
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well. I mean, China is very
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technocratic, there's no doubt about that.
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I've never seen as many cameras. I mean, mass surveillance is
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huge, huge, huge, huge there. I mean, I won't get into a chat
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now about China, but I will say this.
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I come from the African continent.
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So my default setting is, you know, no mass surveillance.
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We have a very inept government right across.
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Every government in Africa is pretty useless.
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So we don't have very effective surveillance tools and where we
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see cameras, a lot of them don't work.
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And when some of them do work, there's, there's no real
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enforcement. So my, as I said, my default
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setting is not to have mass surveillance and I quite like
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where I live as a result of that.
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But, but I will say this, you do have very blatant mass
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surveillance in China. It's in your face, you can't
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miss it. They don't hide it, whereas in
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the States and in the UK and Europe it's very subversive.
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It's the Palantir type of sinister back door kind of
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surveillance. And I think that that's but a
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little bit more worrying. Yeah, and there's a lot of it
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that's in the just, you know, terms of service, that little
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fine print that you Click to agree on whatever app or
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service, whatever. And you know, it's, yeah, you're
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right. It kind of flies a little bit
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more under the radar, like, oh, we're not doing this and we may
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collect this technology about you or this data or not.
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We may share this or not. You know, I was just reading the
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Facebook, those articles by Ian Davis that you had on the other
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day. And yeah, that's true.
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And yeah, so it's, but it's creeping and people can like,
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you know, it's the little, the, the frog slowly boiling, you
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know, but I think people are starting to wake up to the heat
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of it. And yeah, I know what you're
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saying about Africa. I I spent six months in Ghana in
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Accra as a as an intern reporter for the Ghanaian Chronicle
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there. I mean, we had rolling blackouts
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all the time. No, I mean, no water, rivers of
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sewage, no cameras anywhere. I didn't see like infrastructure
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just not there, you know, Internet going off and on like
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crazy and you know, so basic stuff.
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Not, not so much there here in Colombia, you know, I'm, I'm up
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in the rural area, but if I go into a little Pueblo, there's,
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there's cameras in every corner. Most people who don't really pay
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attention to them and they're not really as privacy binded.
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Every time you go to a store, they ask like, Hey, do you want
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to share your ID with us and so we can give you better deals and
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stuff. And I mean, everyone here just
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kind of goes along with it. Not me, you know, for that
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matter. What do you think is the hill to
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die on at the moment? For me, it was the one to die on
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was the vaccine passport thing, even though that is a digital
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ID, but also involved getting, you know, putting something in
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your body. You know, I wasn't going to do
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that. That was the one to die on for
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me, the hill to die on for me, this digital ID 1.
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You know, like how how invasive and how just getting away from
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that concept of being a thing on a smartphone, you know, that's
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that's a temporary thing, you know, but it's going to again,
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going through all those different kinds of sensor
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systems, sensing systems. So it's, you know, avoid it as
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best I can. But you know, it's really good
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question because you know, the end game stuff and trying to see
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the, the end picture, you know, I, I do see it as one of pillow
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control, but it's, is it something that's like, oh, no,
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I'm opting out. Well, if you don't, if there's
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no opting out because it's already automatically built into
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just whatever sees you. So I mean, yeah, I don't know,
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it's a tough one. So he'll dine.
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He'll dine. Was the vaccine that was putting
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something in my body changing, changing something about that.
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But for for right now, I'm monitoring it and navigating it
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day by day, you know, and seeing what comes up.
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I agree with you. I think when you have to inject
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something into your body, that becomes a hell of a lot more
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important than than something that's more abstract.
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I mean, CBDC, digital ID, yeah, these are real things, but
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they're, they're kind of more abstract if you compare them to
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being injected with something. I mean, I also avoided, I mean,
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I, I avoided PCR also. I don't know if you did, but I I
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didn't have a single PCR test. No, I, I did because I was, when
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I was traveling, I was, I was OK with the test for traveling, but
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I mean, when they did ask for like tests and, or, or because I
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wanted to see family and stuff. But the Colombian government at
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one point, they, they turned out, they, they said, no, if
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you're going to Colombia, you need to have the, the vaccine.
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And then so it was 1, they did that two weeks before a
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Christmas one year. And so I couldn't, so I could
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leave the country and, you know, go to the United States, see
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family. But I couldn't come back home to
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Colombia, where I've been living for 11 years, 10 years or nine
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years at that point. And so, you know, I, I missed, I
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had a nephew who, who was, had seven years of leukemia and that
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was his last Christmas. And he, he died just a couple
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weeks after that one. So that was really tough, but I
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didn't do that. But, you know, I didn't get the
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shot. I didn't leave the country.
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I stayed here and missed out on that.
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That was a sacrifice that I, that I, that I went with.
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But yeah, but for PCR, that was OK.
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Didn't like it, but it wasn't as invasive, you know, as putting
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some kind of tech, other kind of tech in you.
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Let's just stay on that for a second.
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If you could go back to 2019 before any of the stuff rolled
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out, would you I'm. No, I mean, because no, this is,
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I'm not, I'm not one to go back in time, you know, and, and and
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and try to do that because now with the knowledge that I have
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going back then, I mean, would I just go, are you asking going
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back there with the knowledge I have now or just going back
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there? Yeah, knowing knowing what you
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knowing what you know now. No, because no, because all the
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stuff that I've learned now, it was result of things that
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happened. So, you know, looking at the
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even before digital or vaccine passports were even considered
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as something it was like in late 2020, you know, a year later
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after 2019 that I already saw the writing on the wall.
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I saw that digital idea was coming.
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I saw these vaccine passports were coming before a vaccine
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came out. So it already that kind of
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foresight, you know, if you keep, if you, you know, read
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the, you can forecast a bit into the future because they tell you
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what's going to happen. So in 2019, you know, I guess it
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would have been nice to look at event 2O1IN real time.
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Maybe, maybe that's one of the things I would have done and
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just right then and there to not be so slow to the narrative
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because, you know, when the pandemic was declared in March
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of 2020, like right on the Ides of March, it took me about 5
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months or so to really kind of like, hold on a second.
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This isn't like they're abusing this now two weeks to flatten
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the curve, to follow the spread or whatever.
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I was like, OK. And then then like, oh, this is
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such a weird thing. Oh, but we're all going through
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it now. Let's make the best of it.
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And then, you know, after the weeks go by, I'm just like, all
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right, who's who's making these decisions?
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Who's pulling the strings here, you know?
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And so I got really more into that.
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I was really skeptical, but for the first couple months, few
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months, I wasn't. I think it was Nassim Taleb who
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who wrote in his one of his books about, I think it was him
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who wrote about Black Swan events.
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Can't remember now. Besides the fact that he got
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COVID very, very wrong. I still appreciate, you know,
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his work about risk analysis and 2020 was a major, major turning
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point in human history, right? I mean, I don't think, I don't
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think the world has been locked down at any point in history.
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I think in World War 2, maybe one or two countries.
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And I mean, come on, we know that it was just coincidental,
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Tim. I mean, we can't be conspiracy
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theorists here. It was just all coincidence.
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And all the countries just did it at the same time and they
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used all the same language also, you know, just coincidentally.
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But I'm thinking 911 was also a massive turning point on, on so
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many levels. And we still don't really know
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what happened. Would would you say that the
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COVID event was bigger than 911? They're both they're moving the
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needle or pushing society in a certain direction.
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So yeah, 911 was huge. I mean, I was 16 when that what
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happened. I was still in high school when
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when 911 happened. But I mean, immediately after
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that, we got the Patriot Act and we got TSA, Department of
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Homeland Security, like all this stuff that came in within like
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weeks after. So that was already the the plan
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was already in place to bring in all this stuff, all the
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surveillance, but they just needed a catalyst.
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Same thing with COVID, you know, just doing the same thing 20
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years or 19 years later, both bad and they both they keep re
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reauthorizing emergency, you know, stuff with the Patriot
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Act. So it's, it's just, it's
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something you keep, keep recycling and it's not going
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away, you know, so and, and so which one was, I mean, they were
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both huge. Nothing is I mean that we want
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and they both launched the what invisible wars on an invisible
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enemy, the War on Terror, you know, the war on a disease.
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You know which what, what built by by the military, funded by
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the US government, maybe in a lab in Wuhan, you know, like
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it's it's, it's insane. Can you remember what you're
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doing, by the way, on 1911? Oh, of course I was.
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I was at open gym and doing basketball practice before
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school started. I used to play captain of my
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basketball team. Yeah, I remember I came, we came
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out of open gym and I'll sweat and go into the parking lot and
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my coach just yelled out they're bombing the Pentagon.
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And I was like, what? Like, because my coach was
18:50
pretty crazy. Anyway, I just thought he was
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saying, spouting some weird thing.
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But now we were all glued to our in school and class for the next
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couple of days. Nobody taught anything.
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We were just glued to our the televisions every single class.
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Yeah, yeah, I remember it also. I was at my, I was visiting my
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girlfriend at the time and I don't know, I think we were
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watching MTV or something and her brother came running in
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shouting America's under attack, World War 3 is beginning.
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And then we switched over. We switched over to CNN.
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Those were the days when I still watched CNN, you know.
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Yeah, I didn't even watch. I mean, it was on.
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I mean, it was on every channel as well, you know, like I was
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like wanting to watch ESPN. I was trying to watch Sports
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Center and. But no, they're showing that
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too. So yeah.
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I mean, I feel like an idiot in hindsight because I didn't catch
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on to any of this stuff. I thought.
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I thought the official story was what happened for years and
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years and years and years. I mean, even when it first
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happened, I went out and got a little tiny American flag, put
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it on the antenna of my car and was like trying to be all
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patriotic and stuff like that, you know, not not knowing
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anything about it. Just because, you know, I'm a
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teenager with my world was high school and in sports, that was
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it. When did you start getting your
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sort of Damascus moments? Actually it was like around
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20/11/2012 and that's when I started.
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I started seeing on YouTube the stuff of Bill Cooper and David
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Icke and those. Yeah.
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I mean, it was like in 2012, I'm like, huh, Huh.
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And then, you know, from there, I kind of, I think what happens
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maybe with people who first get awakened.
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I don't want to say awakened, but all of a sudden, like they
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realized that one thing wasn't really true.
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And then you always start listening to this one person or
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another and they start digging and going down the rabbit holes.
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Then you're like, nothing is true.
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This is all like anything else that comes up.
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No, that's because of this. That's because so I think people
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kind of lose their minds for a bit.
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I don't know if Candace Owens is in that realm right now where
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like she just kind of starting to gradually discover like, oh,
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this isn't right, Then this isn't right.
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And then it goes full on meltdown and about everything.
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But yeah, but but I think that's AI think that's a natural
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process of like almost like a deprogramming thing where it's
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like, well, if this isn't true, nothing's true.
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But it's a little bit more nuanced than that.
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It definitely is more nuanced than that.
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I think you're right. I mean, we're talking about
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complex systems. Yeah, definitely.
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So. So with the 9/11 stuff, yeah, I
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want us to Start learning about, well, even then in 2003 when the
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US went to war with Iraq, I was like, what did that have to do
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with Afghanistan and 9:11 and then looking at, you know, in
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the Taliban and Al Qaeda and stuff like that.
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But then it's like, well, no, the people were from Saudi
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Arabia and where was, where was bin Laden allegedly found in
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Pakistan? And so I'm like, and then
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there's also the whole thing about Israel dancing Israelis.
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So like, and then, you know, celebrating right on 9/11.
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So I'm looking at Israel and then and they found their, you
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know, the, the, the, the, the hijackers passports in, in a
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twisted bubble, all, all, you know, good.
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So these complex things, it's the more information that comes
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in. And that's our thing too.
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You know, we got the Internet became, you know, so there's in
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social media, they came Internet got more users, you know, more,
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more people online sharing information and stuff like that.
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So before, you know, you say you used to watch CNN because, yeah,
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I mean, there wasn't really much out there on Alta Vista or
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CompuServe or AOL kind of stuff, you know, back in the day.
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What do you make of AII I I'm in two minds.
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I don't think it will ever take over because I don't think it
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has a will or a desire. But I think it's highly advanced
22:49
algorithms that can be used for very nefarious for very
22:53
nefarious purposes. Yeah, I mean, because it can.
22:58
It's really good at, you know, handling just a shit ton of data
23:03
and processing it and trying to make some sense out of, you
23:06
know, spitting out whatever results it does.
23:09
And that can seem, you know, right now it's, it's it's, you
23:13
know, generative AI is really shit at getting, well, they do
23:18
is like go to Reddit or Wikipedia or whatever, you know,
23:21
so it's not going to get to that.
23:23
But yeah, as it keeps advancing, you know, whatever.
23:26
And, you know, people look into it like as maybe some kind of
23:29
form of government, others look at some kind of form of
23:31
religion. But the answer is as the, as the
23:35
more data gets collected and the more it processes it, it's going
23:38
to be, you know, it's beyond our comprehension.
23:40
So whatever like result it turns spits out, it could seem totally
23:44
alien to us, you know, and, and like, if we surrender our
23:50
decision making to it, that's when we got really big problems.
23:52
We do a lot anyway, you know, even just the search engine,
23:58
like we don't memorize stuff anymore.
24:00
We don't really kind of go go into physical books, which like,
24:03
if you want to know something like, oh, just look it up.
24:05
And so we've lost, you know, just like we don't really know
24:09
people's phone numbers anymore. We don't have those memorized,
24:12
you know, so we just said, oh, I got to go look it up.
24:15
But what, you know, with AI and, you know, being so reliant on
24:19
technology, then, you know, what happens if the signal stops?
24:23
You know, what happens if you're not be able to do that?
24:25
You know, our, our knowledge base now is not just, you know,
24:30
written in stone like it used to be.
24:32
It's not in these papyrus papyri in the desert where it can be
24:36
preserved. It's in the cloud, it's in
24:38
screens and stuff like that. So if you so, you know, if
24:42
there's any kind of cyber warfare that goes on or if
24:45
there's some kind of natural disaster of, you know, something
24:49
that messes with all these systems, we're going to be kind
24:53
of stupid. You know we're going to.
24:57
Yeah, Tim, if, if there are so many psyops going on and so many
25:01
distractions going on, where should we be looking?
25:05
Well, the old philosophy is look within.
25:07
No, The thing is, you got to I, so I, yeah, I look at and follow
25:14
tons of sources, you know, even the ones don't agree with or
25:17
disagree or even one that seems so fantasy fantastical that I
25:22
don't know. But The thing is getting
25:23
information from everywhere you can and then applying your own
25:28
discernment, your own judgement, your own, you know, so I
25:32
wouldn't say, you know, like follow or worship anybody.
25:35
You know, like you can have like people you look to as trusted
25:38
sources, but always question, you know, like look at, you
25:40
know, when they're saying something like do they provide
25:43
evidence? They back it up and you look at
25:45
that. And then even if they are
25:47
providing evidence and have the sources, do you come to the same
25:50
conclusion or not, You know, based on everything else that
25:53
you know about and just based on your own real life experiences.
25:56
What did Gandhi say? That you must be the the light
26:00
you wish to see in the world or the change you you must be the
26:03
change you wish to see in the world, which can be used for
26:06
good or I'll. Yeah.
26:08
So I mean, what? And for, I mean, for some
26:11
people, I mean, there are psychopaths out there, There's
26:13
narcissists and the ones who want to start within, if they
26:17
actually could, are able to start within.
26:19
But what they're going to project onto the world is
26:23
something truly horrible. But no, for, for people with the
26:26
consciousness and empathy and, and normalcy and, and, and a
26:29
decent idea of logic or even the abstract.
26:34
It's good to, to do that because in little ways, you know, I'm,
26:37
I'm a relatively small account, you know, on social media, it's
26:40
starting to grow a little bit, but there's been so many times
26:43
where I, it's like planting seeds, you know, like I'll put
26:45
out something and it like, it doesn't get any traction
26:49
forever. And then like a year later, then
26:50
someone else shares this little bit and then it goes big and
26:54
then gets shared. It gets filtered through lots of
26:56
different accounts and never goes back to me.
26:58
Well, not, not never sometimes, but in a way it's like I, I can
27:02
see that influence playing out. I can see that what my words
27:05
just, you know, like just the other day on Sky News Australia,
27:08
I saw they, they quoted from one of my articles just on air.
27:11
So it's like, oh, these little seeds, you know, if you plant
27:15
out there and this comes from within, this is like your own
27:17
doing the research and coming to your conclusions and doing it
27:20
all in good faith, and that's from within.
27:24
One of my rules of thumb when it comes to following media sources
27:29
is generally to have more faith in the media sources like the
27:35
sociable, for example, because you're a smaller outfit and what
27:39
that means is that you've got more skin in the game.
27:43
You know you've got more to lose if you get it wrong.
27:46
If CNN or Fox gets it wrong, nothing really happens.
27:51
Yeah, especially early on in the pandemic when when I was going
27:56
on about all this Great Reset stuff that that really put my,
28:00
that's really put myself out there.
28:02
I knew that, you know, I got so much.
28:05
Actually, a lot of the condemnation came from a lot of
28:08
people who are close to me, not really out there in the public
28:10
sphere, but I got that as well. So yeah, just.
28:14
And when it comes to bigger organizations, yeah, they they
28:19
even if like the whatever big news is out there, it doesn't
28:22
matter if it's true or not. Like a week later or something
28:25
like that, they make a tiny retraction, but by then it's
28:27
already spread and no one cares. But I appreciate you saying that
28:30
about sociable and yeah, because it's just, yeah, I'm not,
28:36
there's no outside influences there.
28:38
Like, like not, well, there's influences, of course, but
28:40
there's not any incentive for me to do this.
28:44
I'm doing this out of because I really, I don't.
28:48
Well, basically it comes down to I just want to be left alone.
28:51
You know, I don't want all this control.
28:52
I don't want all the surveillance.
28:54
I don't want what's coming, you know, all the stuff that's
28:56
coming. And so I want to let people know
28:58
about that and then have them come to their own conclusions.
29:01
One of the big difficulties, though, is discerning which
29:05
battles to fight, because some of these battles are really
29:10
pointless. They're not worth fighting
29:13
because you can't win them. You know, you want to fight the
29:15
battles that you can win. And I sometimes wonder whether
29:20
folks quote UN quote on our side, just stretch themselves
29:26
too thin by fighting too many battles.
29:30
Yeah, because you got to pick, pick and choose which ones are
29:33
the most important to you and and things.
29:34
So, yeah, you know, when it comes to conflicts that are far
29:38
away from me, like Ukraine, Russia, Palestine, Israel, I'm
29:42
not really vocal about them. I have my opinion, of course,
29:45
but that's not that's not my battle.
29:47
You know, other people are doing that.
29:48
Other people are getting stretched than doing that, but
29:50
that's not that's not mine. Yeah, I'm, I'm just because
29:54
again, that's coming from something within.
29:56
I just want to be left alone. I don't want this to this stuff
29:58
happening to me. I want to let the world know
30:01
what's going on here. And if you choose to pay
30:02
attention to it, that's on you if you want to or not, if you
30:05
want to pick it up, if you want to go to.
30:07
Yeah, everywhere in my stories, I put every single source so you
30:10
can go look at that, you know, like every report.
30:13
And that's another thing too. But when you talked earlier
30:15
about which, you know, Media Trust, I really, I don't read
30:20
newspapers. I haven't read newspaper.
30:21
Like it's only on occasion if something crosses and even if
30:25
then if I'm going to report on it, I'll look at whatever the
30:28
media report was and I go, OK, where are their sources in this
30:31
story? And then I go directly to that
30:32
source and then I go from there. I, so I never on face value, I'd
30:36
never trust a media publication. I'd say do the same for my own,
30:40
you know, as an outsider. But even when I read more
30:44
independent journalist stuff, you know, from time to time, you
30:47
know, there's a circle of a few that I that I pay attention to,
30:50
but I also look at their sources as well to, you know, make sure
30:53
they're not full of it and, you know, keep.
30:55
So we're all still kept in check.
30:59
Yeah. But I mean, have you found that
31:02
there is also a problem with the alternative media space?
31:06
Yeah, I don't know, because you also hear a lot about
31:09
infiltration and subversion and maybe like some aren't.
31:12
I mean, some are out there just get a buck and get the clicks,
31:15
and some are just completely not even real.
31:18
Like, you know, 2 two sources which get huge traction are in
31:24
this category are the People's Voice TV and Slay News, which
31:28
they've ripped off my stories. Yeah, Slay News is not real.
31:33
Frank Bergman, the main writer, whatever they say, that's not a
31:36
real person. They, what they do is like they
31:38
take stories and then it's a little bit of truth, you know,
31:42
you know, putting 11 truth and two lies or whatever together
31:46
and totally distort and twist information and it gets them
31:50
clicks. Like I was looking back at
31:53
something just even a couple nights ago that some big, huge
31:57
account was sharing of Oh yeah. It was about the, the World
32:01
Economic Forum publishing their blueprint for, you know,
32:04
financializing, monetizing nature and stuff.
32:06
And some other huge accounts got that and it went viral.
32:10
And I, this is one of the times I went to grok and I was like,
32:13
so why did this one get all the traction?
32:15
And, you know, I put that news out there, I put that out there
32:18
a month before. And then it's like, well, this,
32:20
this account uses sensationalist framing and this is what our
32:25
algorithms love. And so that's why it got
32:27
disseminated. So there's people out, you know,
32:29
there's sources out there that are just all in it for that to
32:32
monetize and to get big that way.
32:35
I'm not like that. I actually prefer, I like flying
32:37
under the radar. You know, I don't know if I had
32:39
a huge account if I don't know how I'd deal with all that extra
32:42
attention. But yeah.
32:44
And then other ones, bigger ones, you know, like, like Alex
32:47
Jones and stuff. Like, it's going back to what I
32:49
said earlier about, you know, whether it's the most
32:51
fantastical stuff to look at or, or mundane, you know, you know,
32:56
consume it all, but don't believe everything.
32:59
You know, It's like, because even even what Alex Jones is
33:01
saying, there's some truths in there and there's some not so.
33:05
So make up your mind. Yeah.
33:08
I mean, and on that, something that really bugs me is the sort
33:12
of doom scrolling mindset of so many people who claim to be
33:17
pushing back and fighting the system etcetera, but all they do
33:20
all day long is share sensational stories, but they
33:25
don't do anything. Have you noticed that?
33:28
Oh, yeah, I try not to fall into that category myself, you know,
33:32
as especially as someone I used to be out in the field talking
33:35
to people. You know, when I first started
33:37
out in journalism, when especially when I was in Ghana,
33:39
I'd go to all the press conferences.
33:40
I went to the former president's house, John Koufour, you know,
33:44
and with, with 20 Zongo chiefs talking about tribal land rights
33:47
and stuff. So I used to go to, you know,
33:49
out there and, and here in Colombia in my earlier days, I
33:52
was an editor at, in a reporter at Columbia Reports, which is in
33:56
English about news about Columbia.
33:59
And I, you know, I went out on the streets and where people
34:02
were marching to get hostages released from the, the FARC
34:06
guerrilla group. So I used to be out there.
34:08
So the doom scrolling stuff now, Yeah, I sit behind a computer
34:11
all the time. I'm not, you know, I'm, but I'm
34:13
not, you know, the doom scrolling.
34:14
I'm not trying to do this for attention.
34:17
Well, the attention I do want to get is not on me.
34:19
It's on the information. And again, like I said before,
34:23
even if it's just a little tiny seed, even if it's not
34:25
recognized, you know, other bigger ones.
34:29
Yeah, that's another love hate thing.
34:30
So some of the more sensational people that doom scroll and put
34:34
that out, some of that, it is information I've put out there
34:38
as well. And so it comes back, at least
34:42
it's out there that that's that's what I care about.
34:44
Just get information out there. But I mean, what do you do with
34:47
that information? I mean, isn't that the ultimate
34:49
white pull? You know, you've got all this
34:51
information. You've got to do something with
34:52
it. Yeah, so my, well, what I do is
34:55
just tell the world about it. That's a lot, you know, because
34:57
I, I figure that there are people who are a lot smarter
34:59
than me, you know, I'm because I'm not a solutions person.
35:03
My solution is, well, I work under the, the, the, you know,
35:07
the axiom or what the saying knowledge is power.
35:12
And like you said, what do you do with that knowledge?
35:14
Well, you can do whatever you want with it.
35:15
It's your power to do with it. And So what I'm doing with
35:18
knowledge is I, I, I'm talking to you and talking with you.
35:23
And I write stories and I put stuff out on the Internet
35:25
that's, you know, and when I go back and visit the States, I
35:28
mean, if I try to talk about that stuff with people here in
35:32
Colombia in Spanish, my vocabulary, vocabulary is a
35:35
little bit limited when it comes to technical stuff.
35:37
But once I start talking about people are like, OK, that's
35:40
fascinating. And then and then they're like,
35:42
OK, what's the price of avocados?
35:44
You know, so it's not like they don't really care that much
35:46
here. But so yeah, the internet's the
35:48
the forum to do it. By the way, you mentioned
35:52
Colombia a few times. How is it living there?
35:55
Oh, it's wonderful. I've been here 11 years.
35:57
It's especially great out in the countryside.
35:59
You know, I lived in Medellin, the city, the big city there for
36:03
three years. But price of the price of living
36:06
and stuff that are relatively cheap, it's about four to five
36:10
times cheaper than living in the United States.
36:13
No GMOs fresh. I mean, still after 11 years,
36:17
I'm, I'm seeing like alien fruits that I've never heard of
36:20
or tasted or tried before. So it's it's really great food.
36:25
The infrastructure is pretty darn good.
36:28
I mean, as long as you don't get too far out into the, you know,
36:31
jungle areas. We still got a lot of crime got
36:34
a lot of the government is corrupt as hell.
36:36
You still got narcos, you still got guerrilla groups.
36:41
Yeah. And actually just I woke up to
36:44
the news today that Trump cuts aid to Colombia because he said
36:49
the president Gustavo Pedro here is a is a drug dealer and stuff.
36:52
So, yeah, that's interesting. But here they only have
36:55
elections every there's only one term elections.
36:59
Now that that I've been here long enough to know that.
37:04
So 2 presidents ago, Santos won when?
37:07
Well, Santos, he had two terms, but in his second term, he
37:10
eliminated two term presidency. So the next guy, Yvonne Duque,
37:14
he had five years. And now this guy, President
37:17
Pedro, he's going to, they've got elections, I think starting
37:20
next May. So that's going to be
37:23
interesting. But no, it's a, I've, I've seen
37:27
violence, I've seen weird stuff. But overall, it's it's, it's,
37:34
it's a wonderful place to live for, for me.
37:36
It sounds exactly like South Africa.
37:42
You could be talking about my country.
37:47
Yeah. I mean, you know, yeah.
37:48
Do you, do you find them that in that sort of chaotic environment
37:54
there is a a sense of freedom that you don't get in other
37:59
countries? Yeah, I've always felt like it's
38:01
like the Wild West here a bit like it's or like even like with
38:05
the mom and paw shops everywhere.
38:07
They're more popular than the big chain stores, you know, so
38:11
it, it just feels like because of that and, and cash is like
38:15
mostly king here, even though, I mean, it's changing a bit, but
38:19
still a lot of people pay everything in cash.
38:21
You know, your neighbors that there's a big sense of community
38:24
here. And while they are installing
38:27
cameras and stuff, they're like their agencies, organizations
38:32
don't talk to each other. It's it's so hilarious because I
38:35
like even with immigration, they don't talk to the Department of
38:39
State. So one of them issues a visa,
38:42
the other one just stamps your passport, but they don't talk to
38:45
each other. And I love this.
38:46
It's not like I love how how unorganized and uncentralized
38:50
this. Yes, they have lots of data like
38:52
everywhere, but so they don't know how to connect it yet,
38:56
which is I'm so happy about, you know?
38:58
We have the same. We have the same thing.
39:00
Yeah. And I think it's a blessing.
39:01
I'll give you a quick anecdote. My wife and I were driving this
39:05
weekend. We went on a short road trip, a
39:09
few hours drive and there was a roadblock and the police pulled
39:14
us over and he said, just what can I see your driver's license?
39:17
We're just doing a routine inspection, a routine check.
39:20
We're just going to put your card into the machine here to
39:22
see if you have any outstanding fines.
39:24
And I said to my wife, Oh no, he's going to pick up on this
39:27
because I've got loads of outstanding fines.
39:29
Why? Because I don't pay my fines
39:30
because there's no, there's no system in place that can follow
39:33
up on it, right? So.
39:37
So he came back to the car and he gave me my my driver's
39:40
license. And he said, you're all good,
39:41
Sir. Have a good day.
39:44
My wife just laughed. She said.
39:45
My wife laughed. She said, OK, let's just go.
39:50
Yeah. I've got, I've got the same
39:52
thing. I drive an 88 Mazda and there's
39:55
cameras that give you tickets, which I didn't know about when I
39:58
first started driving. So I racked up a few of those
40:01
and I've been pulled over so many times.
40:02
A little checkpoints, yeah. And they just look at the
40:05
license and they don't, well, even for in my case, they don't
40:09
run it, they don't scan it. And in my case, my license was
40:11
printed out on a bad printer so that the, the thumbprint is
40:15
gone. It's, it's not even there.
40:16
Even the barcode is a little bit there that the head is twisted,
40:19
you know, it's like elongated on the photo.
40:22
But yeah, they don't talk to each other.
40:23
So like the, the ones that in every single year I have to go
40:26
in for inspection on the car, the technical, mechanical
40:30
inspection. And they don't talk to anyone
40:33
else either. So, yeah.
40:36
So every year it keeps getting renewed.
40:38
So The thing is though, I think when I have to renew my license,
40:41
my driver's license, which would be in two years, then they, I
40:45
think they ask for like, well, do you have anything, any
40:47
priors? So I don't know what's going to
40:48
happen then, you know, or I'll just go to the United States to
40:52
get an American driver's license and bring that over here.
40:54
Maybe that'll work. Who knows.
40:56
But then I have to sign up for a Real ID.
40:59
OK. But so I mean, are you a
41:00
Colombian citizen? No, no, still American.
41:03
I've been here just on different types of visas, work visa,
41:06
tourist visa, you name it. I've been, yeah, just been going
41:09
off of those. Why did you move there?
41:14
Yeah, so in, in 2011, I was living in Seattle.
41:18
I was working at a restaurant going nowhere, and I hadn't used
41:23
any of my education. I mean, I went to school for
41:25
linguistics, but I studied Spanish.
41:27
And so I, I, I was not liking where I was in life.
41:31
And so I did the digital equivalent of spending the
41:34
globe. So I just searched, I, I want to
41:36
do something with writing. So I searched writing gigs,
41:38
internships, and I was just like the world or South America or
41:41
something like that. And then there was the first
41:43
thing that popped up was unpaid internship in managing Colombia
41:48
for three months. And I was like, all right, I'll
41:49
go try that out and loved it. I was there for three months,
41:53
got cut my teeth into journalism.
41:55
The first, the first week, two days, I think 3 days into my
41:59
first time ever being journalist, my story got picked
42:02
up by Fox News, BBCCNNCB. They got picked up everywhere.
42:06
It was about Colombian soccer player who went to Saudi Arabia,
42:09
got arrested because he had Jesus tattoos on his arms
42:13
displayed. You can't do that.
42:14
So that was like my first week. I'm like, oh, OK, I can do this.
42:19
Yeah. And I fell in love with
42:21
Colombia. I went back to the IT was only
42:22
three months, went back to the States, tried to look for a job,
42:24
couldn't get 1. So in three months after that,
42:27
I, I did that again, I was like, well, I'm going to try to be an
42:30
intern. Maybe if I get some intern more
42:32
international experience, they'll be OK Did the same
42:35
search again, but for like Africa and I saw one in Ghana
42:39
for the Ghanaian Chronicle. And so I went over there.
42:42
So yeah, that that's. And then after doing that, went
42:45
back to the States, couldn't find a job again.
42:47
Worked in restaurants, worked at Applebee's as a waiter and and,
42:50
and Johnny Rockets as a waiter and a host at those restaurants.
42:54
And then I was like, no, I'm going to go to maybe I'll be a
42:58
travel writer. So I, I went to guy when we take
43:00
it to Peru, I thought I was going to be a travel writer
43:03
about, you know, going to Inca and ruins and stuff like that.
43:06
So I spent a month in Peru, didn't really do much there.
43:09
I just went and visited ruins, drank some wine and had two day
43:11
hangovers from the, from the altitude sickness.
43:14
And I was like, and then, so I, while I was three weeks there,
43:18
I, I rang up my old editor at in Columbia and I said, Hey, can I
43:22
just come stay with you and crash at your place?
43:24
Because I lived with this, this person in Meta Gene news, Dutch
43:27
anarchist, really fun, fun dude. And my intention was just to
43:32
stay in Colombia for another six months, just not doing anything
43:35
because I had enough money saved up that I was just going to hang
43:38
out. But he had The Newsroom in his,
43:41
in his apartment at the time for the Colombian 1.
43:44
And it was during election week. And I was like, oh, I got that
43:46
itch. And I was like, Oh my God, can I
43:48
come join you? And so then again, I worked for
43:50
free for another five months. And then I got from doing that a
43:54
local entrepreneur, an entrepreneur in in Colombia
43:57
who's American, offered me a space, a place working in PR and
44:01
then from PR getting into the sociable and which.
44:05
Yeah. So that's, that's, that's the
44:07
story. It's kind of long, but yeah,
44:08
it's been a lot of ups and downs and twists and.
44:10
Turns no but your your story is great in the sense also that it
44:14
shows that otherwise backward countries could actually be
44:22
great choices, particularly as we move into a more technocratic
44:26
future. There seems to be a bigger
44:30
buffer in these types of countries.
44:35
Yeah, and I was, I've said this for many years, is that for me,
44:38
Colombia was the the land of opportunity.
44:41
You know, so many people want to get out and go to the United
44:42
States, but for me, I couldn't. Every single job I was looking
44:45
for wanted three to five years of experience.
44:47
You know, I mean, I graduated university in 2007, 2008, the
44:51
whole financial, the whole economy collapsed.
44:53
And so I couldn't get anything. And so I was just so frustrated.
44:56
And I was like, well, at least for me, it, it was, I wanted
44:59
adventure. But I, you know, maybe this is
45:01
my way in so I can come back to the United States and, you know,
45:04
work for a big news outlet or something.
45:07
I ended up falling in love with it here because like those
45:09
things you said, like, yeah, the, the infrastructure, the
45:11
kind of Wild West of it, the, the organized chaos and stuff,
45:16
it just really lent it to being the place where I can thrive and
45:22
survive. And especially like right now
45:23
I'm sitting outside. I do all my writing and working,
45:26
you know, outside on this, this front balcony and, and, or this
45:28
front little porch here and I've got a view of just beautiful
45:32
Green Mountains. I'm end up in the Andes, you
45:34
know, and so it's just, it's conducive for writing.
45:37
There's, I mean, there's stuff going on here, but you know,
45:40
it's, it just I can thrive in this environment.
45:46
Well, yes, and also because you know, Colombia and South Africa
45:51
and Ghana and you know, countries that are what you'd
45:55
consider developing or third world or whatever, they tend to
45:58
have lower starting points like the, the, the baselines are
46:01
lower. So there is actually opportunity
46:05
in many, many areas where as if you go to say Shanghai,
46:09
everything is developed and I'm not entirely certain how many
46:13
opportunities there are anymore. Yeah.
46:15
And there's less competition, right?
46:16
Like not, not, not, not billion, not like somewhere like India
46:18
where there's billions of people trying to get one thing, you
46:21
know, like or a billion people. Well, yeah, I mean, you're
46:23
looking at traffic and stuff like that.
46:25
I was just looking at this example from India.
46:27
I spent a month in India as well.
46:28
That was that was interesting. And, you know, like people would
46:33
just stop their cars in the middle of the road to walk over
46:35
and get something in the street from a store and block traffic
46:38
forever because it's that competitive.
46:40
Like, no, if I don't do this here, I'm never going to get a
46:41
spot. I have to do that to be first.
46:43
It's so competitive. Imagine like big old cities are
46:45
like that as well. But if you're out in a place
46:48
where there's, you know, it's not as developed.
46:49
There's not. Yeah, there's less, there's less
46:53
competition. And so even, you know, even if I
46:55
weren't doing what I'm doing here, doing what I do, I mean,
46:59
teaching English would be something that just everywhere
47:01
everyone's looking for that, you know, there's always something.
47:05
But the big thing for me is again, to try and be in a place
47:11
where you have, I think a better prospect of not being Privy to
47:18
all the sort of New World Order stuff, you know.
47:21
I mean, I don't know if you've been to Amsterdam, but I mean,
47:23
it's a 15 minute city in in the making.
47:26
You know, it's there's no reason for you ever to own a car.
47:30
You can just ride a bicycle and there's no reason for you to go
47:33
further than 15 minutes because everything is is there.
47:36
Whereas here in South Africa, a 15 minute city is not going to
47:41
be happening anytime soon because there's no
47:43
infrastructure. Yeah, and like I said about the
47:46
the mom and pops shops and things, it's, it's like stepping
47:49
back in time in a way, you know, like to the night when my, you
47:53
know, parents would talk about, about the 1970s or 1980s.
47:57
Well, even going back, you know, in Ghana, I remember the first I
48:00
got one of these fruit juices or a soda or something and it had a
48:04
pop top, you know, like the one that you can actually snap off.
48:07
And I thought those went away like in the 1970s.
48:11
I thought like I'd never see that before or, or even there.
48:14
OK, corned beef is a weird thing.
48:16
It's, I've never seen corned beef in in Colombia, but I know
48:19
in Brazil that they do it because when I was in Ghana, I
48:21
used to get corned beef and cans from Brazil.
48:24
And it was with those little keys you twist around and like,
48:28
I thought those were from Mres from World War 2, but those are
48:32
still here. This is awesome.
48:34
Yeah. And so it's like that you could.
48:36
So it's like, yeah, you're slowed down in time here.
48:38
I mean, I do feel it's going to eventually going to come.
48:40
But maybe you bought yourself 1520 years, you know of that.
48:46
They have the means to do it. They got the back.
48:48
They got the money. They got the funding for it.
48:51
Yeah. I mean, you've got Larry Ellison
48:52
funding the Tony Blair Institute.
48:54
You got Blair and Starmer being Labour, who are all Fabians
48:59
who've got tons of money and and things like that.
49:01
Lots of influences. Yeah.
49:04
And big, yeah. Like, again, Larry Ellison,
49:06
Oracle, big and media, yeah, just tons of stuff here.
49:10
We we got it. It's it's at the airports is the
49:13
most is is the is the biggest. Where it's rolled.
49:15
Out is like I couldn't believe yeah, the bio like the biomig
49:18
check thing that they have at the airports.
49:20
They just scan like I don't use it.
49:22
I think it's more more Colombian citizens, but it is completely
49:24
they don't even talk to an agent.
49:26
They just go right through scan themselves and then they they
49:29
enter the the country, you know. So I, I imagine that's I haven't
49:35
actually looked into what's Colombia system is but I imagine
49:37
this comes from somewhere else and it's definitely not home.
49:40
I don't think it's a home grown thing.
49:42
So yeah, they they've managed to do it there because it's a small
49:46
little what do they call it sandbox to do it in.
49:49
Try doing that on the people here when yeah, there's we still
49:51
got, I mean, there's there's child labour, there's child
49:55
soldiers, there's all the again, the infrastructure is not
49:58
connected so disjointed. That's a little more tricky to
50:01
do it on a larger scale. Why do you think Tim, so many
50:07
countries, though, have bought into this?
50:13
Well, and the first, I mean, their governments are normally
50:16
you got to be psychopathic to run in government.
50:18
And if you're not, as soon as they get in there, they take you
50:20
behind a closed door and say, huh, this is how things really
50:23
happen, so better change your tune.
50:26
But a lot of them, I think, want money from elsewhere.
50:28
And it's almost like, yeah, you know, they want that funding,
50:31
you know, in the states, like, we want that federal funding, so
50:34
we got to do this or whatever. So a lot of them, you know,
50:38
they'll sign up to stuff for, for the United Nations, You know
50:40
that that's the big one. The, the pact for the future.
50:43
Every, every single country. 193 agreed that they, they were,
50:47
they consented to rolling out digital public infrastructure in
50:50
their countries, which is digital public infrastructure,
50:53
DPI civic technology stack modeled after India's Adhaar
50:57
thing. It's digital identity.
51:00
It's fast payment systems and data sharing, data exchanges
51:04
between public and private entities.
51:06
So but it's. Not just that, though.
51:09
It's not just that. It's also, as Ian Davis points
51:12
out, it's sustainable development, which is the
51:14
ultimate Oh yeah, yeah, goal. Yes, it's it's all about yeah,
51:19
the the packs of the feature, the UN, their whole mandate is
51:22
Agenda 2030, Sustainable Development Goals.
51:26
This is one way of you know, this is just one component of
51:29
it. Of course, I mean, the the other
51:32
thing too is to and sustainability and this and net
51:35
zero stuff and it's all tied back.
51:36
You go if you want to do that, you know, digital ID, carbon
51:38
credit, social credit, you know, system thing, yeah, it's all
51:42
part of it. But the but DPI sustainable.
51:46
What is sustainable? If you get rid of carbon as the
51:49
boogeyman, everything falls apart.
51:52
There is not one argument and this just this just is the most
51:55
insane thing to me. And and now you're not even
51:59
allowed to question policy. The UN has been coming out
52:02
saying that even if you question policy, anything that impedes on
52:06
our progress towards 2030 agenda Sustainable Development Goals,
52:11
you are spreading disinformation.
52:13
So, and, and then they're creating a disinformation task
52:16
force as well to go after that. And, and in the EU, Ursula von
52:20
der Leyen was saying that misinformation, disinformation
52:22
bad. And the, the, the World Economic
52:24
Forum, everyone's saying that. And again, it's it is going back
52:27
to that Agenda 2030, the Sustainable Development Goals,
52:30
and without carbon as the boogeyman, it all freaking falls
52:33
apart. Yeah.
52:35
I asked you earlier about your sort of Damascus moments, and I
52:39
think my first one was around 2009, 2010, when I watched a
52:46
documentary called The Great Global Warming Swindle.
52:50
And that was the first time I started questioning everything
52:56
that I thought I knew. And little that I know how
52:59
important that film would be because everything actually is
53:04
centered around carbon dioxide, as you just pointed out,
53:08
everything. Yep.
53:11
Well, Even so where's the story that I did?
53:15
So I read, you know, I've read the Great Reset and the great
53:18
narrative, you know, from Klaus Schwab and Terry Mallory
53:21
actually interviewed Terry Mallory once as well.
53:24
But so the idea, even when the, when the pandemic came, it was
53:30
all what they did, is they took those climate change narratives,
53:33
slapped it on to COVID, and then once the COVID control narrative
53:37
went away, they went back to the climate net zero stuff.
53:40
So what 2 quotes from the The Great Reset which were really
53:44
kind of eye opening. One was some leaders and
53:48
decision makers who were already at the forefront of the fight
53:52
against climate change may want to take advantage of the shock
53:55
inflicted by the pandemic to implement long lasting and wider
53:59
environmental changes. They will in effect make good
54:02
use of the pandemic by not just letting the crisis go to waste.
54:06
That's one of them. And then the other quote is, if
54:10
in the post pandemic era, we decide to resume our lives just
54:14
as before, by driving the same cars, by flying to the same
54:17
destinations, by eating the same things, by heating our house the
54:21
same way and so on, the COVID-19 crisis will have gone to waste
54:26
as far as climate policies are concerned.
54:31
Sure. So yeah.
54:32
That's a that's. A great question of eating.
54:36
Yeah, and so yeah, it's it's whatever it was before like
54:39
lockdowns and what climate lockdowns back you know, you
54:41
know, lockdown of all of society use consume less, eat less meat,
54:47
you'll own nothing be happy. Whoa.
54:48
That's another one that that has to do more with the circular
54:51
economy, which is coming as well.
54:53
Circular economy is where you product as a service.
54:56
So anything that is a product and now you, it becomes a
55:00
service to rent out. So you.
55:01
Actually. Oh, like Apple Music?
55:03
Yeah, it's, it's a life as a subscription.
55:05
Yeah, that's, that's what the circular economy is.
55:08
That's a big one from the WEF club of Rome is huge on that as
55:12
well. And I think in Mackenzie,
55:14
Deloitte, all of like they love their circular economy because
55:18
that's you owe nothing. But it is also sometimes quite
55:24
handy to have what is subscriptions.
55:32
I mean, for example, you don't want to keep buying an album all
55:37
the time. Sometimes you just want one or
55:38
two songs, but you want access to all of it.
55:41
You know what I mean? Yeah, but how long is that
55:46
access available? A lot of times it's what they do
55:49
is it's they're licensing. So I remember I bought on Amazon
55:53
back in like 2012, the musical Danny K Hans Christian Andersen,
55:59
Amazon. And now I go try, try to find
56:01
it, get it again. It says, no, you don't own this.
56:04
Like, no, I bought that. Well, they don't own they didn't
56:07
own the rights at one point or they lost it or something
56:09
changed or is it a policy update?
56:11
So that's how quickly those things can go away.
56:14
I would like I still at least back in my folks home in in the
56:18
United States, we've still got a collection, not VHS anymore,
56:22
unfortunately, but DVDs, tons of DVDs and and records.
56:27
I do have records. Yeah, me too.
56:29
I've got a whole bunch beyond me.
56:30
Yeah, and it's just amazing to to have those.
56:35
I mean, if the Internet goes out, something goes wrong, some
56:37
kind of terms of service doesn't work anymore.
56:38
What if a company goes belly up some or they sell it to someone
56:41
else and comes more, you know, if you can't afford the
56:44
subscription anymore, this one type of thing isn't available.
56:46
They keep raising prices or they said, Oh, no, you can't share
56:49
this with this person, your accounts, it can only be limited
56:51
here and stuff like that or in this device, even though you
56:54
might own multiple. I mean, they can change at any
56:57
moment. So no, I prefer the physical of
56:59
yeah, I I prefer analog stuff. But no, you're right about
57:03
convenience. It is oh, especially OK, I'll,
57:05
I'll do it with books with books like I got my Kindle, you know,
57:09
I can't lug around cases and cases of books everywhere I go
57:13
to you know, I'm can't bring those on a plane with me.
57:16
So yeah, that it's really convenient when it comes to
57:20
from, in my case with a book. But it's what?
57:22
Yeah. Yeah.
57:23
I mean, it's what Catherine Orson Fitz often says, just
57:27
apply some discernment. You don't have to go in either
57:31
direction to the extreme. I mean, it is sometimes a lot
57:36
better to have 100 books on your Kindle, for example, than to
57:40
have 100 books in your luggage when you're flying.
57:42
Yes. Yeah, yeah, for obvious reasons,
57:48
yes. Yes, but then, but then playing
57:52
a vinyl, it's just so much nicer.
57:56
Yeah, it is, isn't it? Yeah, you don't.
58:00
Yeah, those are the things that you don't get to experience.
58:02
And well, Speaking of those things, you know, like when we
58:06
do talk about the incoming digital gulag, panopticon
58:09
control grid and stuff like that, as more and more people
58:13
sign up for it and agree to give privacy away, or if they don't
58:17
agree to it, just all of a sudden is inflicted A thrust
58:19
upon them, then, you know, future generations are never
58:22
going to know what freedom is, just like other ones are not
58:24
going to know what a vital record sounds like, you know,
58:26
and you can go back for, you know, every single century go
58:29
back, you know, all these things.
58:30
You know, we don't know what that smell is or the of the OR
58:34
the sound of the the blacksmith making that horseshoe, you know,
58:37
or, you know, doing things like that, you know, and what was
58:41
that old movie from Disney way back in the day, tall tale, the
58:45
adventures of Pecos Bill, like electric light balls.
58:49
Electric light balls are coming. How we're going to see the
58:51
stars, you know, that kind of stuff.
58:54
Let's. Talk about freedom.
58:55
What do you mean though? Talk about what?
58:59
When you talk about freedom, what do you mean?
59:01
Oh yeah. Well, just the freedom to be
59:06
without being monitored, like and kind of, and because just
59:12
because you're monitored, what you're doing is you change your
59:15
behavior if you know you're always being watched.
59:17
Then they did this. I remember this little
59:19
experiment they did I saw in the few years ago with kids like, so
59:24
the teacher, I think it was during lockdowns and the teacher
59:27
like went away for a second but kept the camera rolling, you
59:30
know, like for the virtual classroom stuff.
59:32
And then the kids started going, teacher's gone, we can do it.
59:35
And then one of them's like, well, hey, the camera's still
59:39
on, it's still recording guys, they can still see us.
59:41
And then we was like, oh, oh, OK, OK, So that, that's the kind
59:45
of thing because once, you know, you just can't go any.
59:47
That's what I love about nature. I love, I love kayaking, I love
59:50
fishing, I love hiking. I love going out in, in these
59:52
places where just no one can see you.
59:55
And you know, like you're kind of, it's that privacy thing, you
59:59
know, and some people say, well, well, if you've got nothing to
1:00:01
hide, well, what's the problem? You know, then I'm just and I'm
1:00:04
thinking like, well, why don't you just walk around naked all
1:00:06
day? You know, what's what's the
1:00:08
problem with that? You know, yeah, there's,
1:00:10
there's, there's limits here. All right, dude, I'm looking at
1:00:13
the time one more time. How can my audience follow your
1:00:17
work well? Thanks a lot.
1:00:20
Yeah, sociable.co is the website and on X it's at the Sociable.
1:00:25
And then for me personally at Tim Henchliff and Jeremy, Thank.
1:00:30
Thank you so much. Yeah, it's no, it's been an
1:00:33
absolute pleasure.