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The CFL Outsiders S02/E06 "Take That all You Rouge Haters!" · The CFL Outsiders

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  Hey kids, welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain as always your 100 % impartial, completely unbiased co-host, Oldman Shoutingatclouds Joining me as usual tonight is GT in his Canada Day Canada Celebration
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  Outfit.
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  Hey, this is, hey, how you doing?
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  Welcome aboard again.
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  This is leftover from, I can't see, I don't know if you can see it at the bottom, but below it, it's got the year on it, because this is leftover from the 1988 Calgary Winter
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  Olympics.
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  This is the official sweatshirt.
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  So I figured it's as Canada as you can get on Canada Day.
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  So there you go.
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  Yeah, and it gets Calgary in there for you, so hey, I like it.
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  And then we've got a slight change this week.
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  Unfortunately, MJ's on the one game list.
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  So off the bench, we like to keep it simple around here.
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  It's MJ2.
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  Hi MJ2.
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  Yes, coming to you from Calgary, but representing the Ti-Cats.
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  So I like the sweater.
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  It's great.
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  Thank you.
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  And you picked a good week to be the guest co-host if you want to talk Hamilton because
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  like this is the only week and I love that I'm stealing MJ's thunder.
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  uh Hopefully she'll get a chance to talk about a second win before the season's over.
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  uh Actually, they look pretty good.
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  But I'm going to start off here with a bit of a rant.
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  I do this every now and then when I get annoyed at something that's going on out there.
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  And I've got one here.
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  And this rant today is...
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  I guess it's directed at the football gods, frankly, because I'm getting a little sick of how you're handling this year.
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  I know your job as football gods is to keep things interesting, to move things around, get somebody hurt here and there.
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  Maybe somebody makes a silly mistake, but come on.
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  What's with all the injuries so far this season?
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  We're, we're four games in, so not even a quarter of the way in.
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  Last week of our eight quarterbacks,
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  Three of them were the starters that were intended to be there, and the rest were all backups.
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  The three that were there are all playing at least one game less because they've all had a bye.
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  In fact, four, because Calgary had the bye last week.
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  So anybody that's played the full four games has lost their starting quarterbacks.
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  TSN went out and put up this beautiful new opening to Friday Night Football with the players all singing.
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  There's 17 of them.
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  I counted.
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  Seven of them are off injured.
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  And those are your best stars in the league.
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  So come on, give us a break.
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  Let's let some of these people come back and maybe we can get some real good football rather than the excitement we get with the backups in there.
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  And that's about it.
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  just, no one really to rant to on it, but I can't believe what we're getting with just the number of injuries that are out there.
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  ah And moving on, sorry.
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  even in game there was a few more and yeah, just it's crazy again.
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  you know, there was that year a couple years ago where I think there was seven out of eight starting quarterbacks were down.
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  so it happens.
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  But we need those guys back for sure.
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  I didn't even get into these sort of lesser stars, but there's at least three teams that are really struggling on their own lines because of injuries.
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  There's defenses that are there.
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  It's just, it's a little bit ridiculous, but hopefully we're getting a bunch of it out of the way early and a lot of these players will be back and maybe the last half of the
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  season will be a real barn burner.
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  I also have, I have to do a Mia culpa here.
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  because I was just sort of rifting last week when we were talking about the games and
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  Huh?
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  I don't know who Daniel Campbell is.
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  If he plays left tackle somewhere, he's nowhere near as good as Daniel Johnson, who's playing left tackle for the Riders here.
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  So my apologies, Mr.
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  Johnson.
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  I was talking about you.
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  Great job in there.
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  shaky start to the week this week, first couple of plays, but it was good from there.
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  So that's all cleared up now.
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  All right.
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  Well, you could have called him anything and I would have believed you.
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  I didn't even realize it until I was doing the editing.
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  thought what the hell is that?
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  But we got it right anyway.
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  then just the other thing real quick is I talk each week about my fantasy in the podcasters fantasy league.
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  Had a good week this week managed to pick some players that were doing fairly well.
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  think ended up 118.5 and a victory over the Elks herd.
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  So I've clawed my way back up to two and two.
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  Hey, anytime you beat Edmonton, it's a good thing.
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  There we go, yeah?
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  Okay, well definitely there, and it was a bit of decisive victory, so you can feel better about that.
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  we don't have a lot of other stuff to talk about before the game tonight.
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  One of the things was, MJ is going to tell us about the new minority ownership in Hamilton.
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  Yeah, this is really exciting.
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  especially on Canada Day, this is a Canadian story that I think is such a great thing to share.
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  So Marwan Hage just became part owner of the Hamilton Sports Group and he actually is an immigrant to Canada, moved to Montreal in 1990 and went down to the States, but then came
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  back and played for the Ti-cats for quite a long time.
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  got there in 2004 and was on the O line.
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  Yeah, if you remember back then, yeah, like such a great place.
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  So he was there for almost 10 years and he started a program called Hage's Heroes.
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  And I think I was trying to look for numbers and I think he gave away something like 5,000 tickets in his time there to kids.
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  and was helping to feed families.
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  And so he had this whole corner.
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  They had like a huge poster, he just heroes.
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  And it's really exciting to see him back in Hamilton.
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  He never really left the area.
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  He owns some Tim Hortons and like today he posted a video of them delivering Timbits or donuts to first responders.
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  So he's always been part of the community and has been awarded for that.
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  In 2009, he won
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  an award for outstanding sportsmanship.
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  So I just thought what a great time for Hamilton.
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  Getting someone who was not just a great player but was such a part of the community to come back in, especially in the owners group.
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  He said on his Instagram, he had an interview and he said we can only go as far as the community.
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  so we're going to go together and I thought this guy gets it like Hamilton is smart to bring him in because he is all about the community and I know when
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  caretaker Bob Young, same thing, like this idea of engaging the community.
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  So I just thought what a great week for the Ti-cats You you've got Bo Levi winning the most, you've got Marwan Hage coming back in, and I just thought that's really exciting for
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  Hamilton.
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  And so yeah, I wanted to just share that today.
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  They never did say how much of the ownership that he got though, right?
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  In that it just said minority, but it never said how big.
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  And it never put a figure on either the dollar amount or the percent.
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  That's what I thought.
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  It'd be interesting to be able to extrapolate the cost versus the share versus the value, you know?
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  And think you're totally onto something for them.
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  It's who knows the number he bought in, obviously.
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  I mean, he's got those two franchises.
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  So I don't want to guess, but I think you're onto something of the value of having him on that team and the work he like the people in the community already know him.
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  So I think that's really smart for Hamilton Sports Group to get him in, in that community.
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  Yeah, I would have to agree with that.
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  I remember him playing and he was a character.
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  He was hell of a good lineman and he got under the defense's skins a bit.
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  He drew a few penalties with it, but he was also always a big fan favorite there.
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  So that kind of continuity from player to owner and keeping the same names around the building and everything, that'll just...
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  And they'll eat that up in Hamilton where tradition is so much a point of what they do.
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  Yeah, they named him to the all-time Tycats team in that final game in Iverwind.
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  So clearly it means a lot to the community.
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  congratulations to Marvin for getting body in there and I'm sure it'll be a great addition.
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  Now before we get into the game, so GT, you had something else you wanted us to talk about here.
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  Yeah, I just wanted to go over something that kind of came a little bit out of nowhere, and that was OVO getting involved with the CFL for the first time.
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  OVO, if you're not aware, is the company owned by Drake and his manager, and it's a clothing company that they've had for quite a few years.
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  And it's very well known.
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  It does very big business.
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  It's in with a lot of other leagues around the world, including major soccer,
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  all kinds of baseball teams, basketball teams, the NHL, even the NFL.
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  Obviously Drake and the Raptors has been a huge deal for, tie in there.
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  And so it was interesting that it just kind of came out of nowhere all of a sudden on the weekend and going back to actually preseason, there was that whole thing about Drake
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  showing up with the big chain with the Saskatchewan logo on it and what was that about?
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  So I guess maybe that's what this was about.
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  but they just kind of dropped it on the odd late on the weekend and it was going to be available to all this merchandise as of yesterday ten years ago.
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  This would have been a Huge deal with Drake five years ago.
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  It would have been a big deal this year I'm not so sure you know, I think we missed the limit type of thing.
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  I think it's
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  a little bit past, but it's still pretty important.
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  So I went on the CFL website, no mention of it.
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  Not a single thing anywhere today.
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  If it happened yesterday, you think it would at least be on the page in their news somewhere, stories, whatever, not a single thing.
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  Went on to each of the individual team sites and the merchandise is there on most, but not all the teams.
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  Winnipeg doesn't show anywhere.
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  Saskatchewan, it's right on the front page.
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  Really well done in Saskatchewan, of course, because they sell merch.
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  BC doesn't even have it.
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  Toronto, where Drake's from, doesn't even have it.
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  he's got millions of followers on his social media sites.
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  Yeah.
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  got to let them know that it's available.
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  It seems like a fail to me.
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  If you're going to go there, you're going to go there.
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  It's the same t-shirt at every team site with the same basic pattern with a different slogan and the team name on each of the sites.
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  And then in the background,
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  it when you look at it closely, lists the number of Grey Cups that each team has won and the years that they won them.
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  So it's not a bad looking shirt.
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  I wouldn't spend $68 on it, but it's not a bad looking shirt.
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  And the hats are kind of cool.
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  They have the OVO owl logo And that's sort of, cool to have on your head.
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  So and then it's got retro style helmets with the each of the team logos on each of the
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  helmets.
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  it's not bad merchandise, but I just think if you're going to do something with that kind of media personality, take advantage of the media personality put something out there that
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  people know that the kids, they're not kids anymore because Drake's not a kid anymore and none of his fans are kids anymore, but there's certainly still have, they're still
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  long-term fans.
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  And they are that demographic.
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  They are the 30 to 45 year old that is now a parent that has kids.
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  And then if you get them going with their kids, you're going to get both generations.
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  it just seems like a bit of a fail for something that could have been done better.
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  on the OVO website, it's completely different.
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  The front page for Canada is all these old video clips from CFL games.
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  yeah, yeah.
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  So it's really surprising to me that the CFL has nothing.
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  But I mean, is it surprising?
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  I don't know.
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  Like I think you were talking in an earlier podcast about like the lackluster merchandise this year, how it doesn't, I mean, it's there, but so it.
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  It's interesting.
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  I haven't checked out the hats, but Hamilton does not have a shirt yet.
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  And I'm wondering if that's like a Toronto Hamilton decision.
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  It's interesting.
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  Hamilton has shirts.
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  You can see them on, if you go in their store, you go to each of the individual stores and you pop it up, it's there.
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  on the OVO website, so I was like, that's interesting.
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  So I'll have to look now.
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  Yeah, I don't like to be banging on the CFL all the time because, you know, again, we're not the biggest league in the world, but they do seem to mess up the simple stuff so much
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  of the time.
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  Things that should be just easy to do.
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  Slam dunk don't cost a lot of money.
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  Just put the time and effort into it and they find a way to
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  make it look less than what it is.
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  Yeah, can you say no Canadian flags on the Montreal jerseys on Canada Day weekend?
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  I mean, come on.
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  oh
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  flaring here, whatever.
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  you know, and that's because they couldn't get them the flags there on time is what they are saying today.
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  if you can't even do that, come on.
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  That's just logistics.
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  You don't put out something as big as that and make all the noise about it and then not have it executed.
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  Yeah.
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  they do such a good job on Instagram.
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  Like I don't follow a ton, but they've had some really good interviews.
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  They've had all Canada Day weekend.
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  They've been celebrating Canadian players and showing clips of them.
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  And so it's surprising to me that if this is a huge drop, it's Drake, this big Canadian.
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  And they, yeah, missed out on this opportunity for this big reveal Canada Day weekend when they've been pumping it up so much, maybe.
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  it's interesting.
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  It's late because, and I said this earlier in the thing, was one of the things Randy said last year before he left was that they were going to announce a halftime extra gray cup
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  way earlier than they ever did before.
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  Because if you remember last year, they announced Jonas Brothers in BC in May.
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  rather than in October like they normally do.
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  And yet here we are again with no act.
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  I'm just wondering, could it be Drake does this year make more sense given everything that's going on to have a Canadian act,
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  as the halftime yeah
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  think of is he to compete with Lamar because he did the Super Bowl halftime show.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, I don't know that I've got really anything much more to say on this.
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  I wish that they could become a little more detail-oriented in their marketing.
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  This game and this league feels to me like there's so much there that people could fall in love with if you just find a way to get them a bit of an entrance into it.
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  And unfortunately, the CFL seems to drop more of those opportunities than make the most of them.
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  But let's talk about the more positive, like the gameplay, because at least, at least that was fairly good on the weekend with, with, with some exceptions there.
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  But we'll start with the Thursday nighter where Edmonton went into Winnipeg and it was 36-23 for Winnipeg in the end, but it was a better game than I was expecting.
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  got to say Edmonton looked like they had some fight in them
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  Yeah, Edmonton looked like they played two quarters rather than one quarter and rather than no quarters.
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  So last week they played one quarter, this week they played two quarters.
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  So they're on the right path.
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  And at some point they'll play four quarters and win a game.
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  Winnipeg to sum it up, I will, you know, use that quote that's often mangled and I will do the same, but the rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated,
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  Winnipeg is not going away by the looks of it.
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  They looked like they were bound and determined to just show the league again.
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  And whoever was watching that, no, we're not going away.
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  We still own this division.
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  And they were, they just came out of the box and were incredible.
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  And then they kind of let Edmonton back in in the second quarter and then out in the third quarter.
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  And then in the fourth quarter just went, okay, enough again and put it away.
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  Dempski, was this his fourth touchdown in three games?
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  Like, how do you stop?
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  Yeah, Winnipeg, how do you stop this?
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  great touchdown too.
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  Yes, and apparently they did their best to stop him because he was a game time decision and he still powered through and and performed like that but now the only caveat that I
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  that I give to the bomber fans that are Celebrating as hard as they are as I think fully deserved with 3-0 But keep in mind it's been BC and Edmonton That's you can only play who
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  you play, but that's who they've beaten up on so far
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  Yeah, the interesting thing there is there's only three teams that haven't played each other and they're all the three best teams.
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  So everybody can say that about their opponents so far.
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  So it's only Calgary and Hamilton.
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  It's only Ottawa and BC.
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  It's only because the only teams that are playing it are well are Winnipeg, Saskatchewan and Montreal.
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  So those three teams haven't played each other.
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  So we're not going to know until they do.
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  Yeah, well, and it's great to have Collaros back.
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  Like that made a huge difference.
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  the fans went wild when he scored that touchdown and I just think they've got something going.
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  I don't know if they're in a bye week, but they've got something going and that's hard to stop.
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  Well, he did.
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  And again, this is Possibly the other person I share this brain with who's the big Ryder fan screaming at me about his bombers.
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  But, but I will also say though that Collaros what I've seen is he has about one or two of those games a year and he was phenomenal.
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  Do I expect that to happen next week again?
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  I don't.
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  Do I expect them to win?
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  Yes, because of the defense that they've got in the offense is good, but those three or four touchdown games for Collaros and big passing yards are few and far between because
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  their running game is so good.
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  I take it, I look at it from when I'm doing the fantasy picks and whoever picked Kilaris this week was great.
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  The first, the top six scorers in my podcast league all had Collaros or sorry, top five.
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  And then I was number six who took.
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  bow instead, but you know, when he has a game like that, it's great, but I, I wouldn't count on it.
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  do think Winnipeg's a very good team and I think that they're going to be right there at the end of it.
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  They're playing better than I thought, but I am curious to see what happens, when they play against, either Saskatchewan or Montreal, but even a game against Ottawa, if Drew
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  Brown is in there, that would go a ways to letting me see what.
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  more what they actually are as a team.
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  This Calgary game coming up could be a good way to answer it, although my fear is that with the linebacker situation Calgary's been going through, even with bringing Kyle Wilson
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  in, I don't know they'll stop that Winnipeg running attack.
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  But I guess that's for later.
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  Yeah, I think so far the Wheatball is my breakout player of the year.
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  He's having a great start to the year.
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  He made it again, a couple of outstanding catches and routes that he's running.
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  He's really been impressive so far for a guy that was down the list there last year and certainly has showed some promise.
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  But this year, I think he's the breakout player of the year so far.
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  And yeah, just, yeah, they're just playing great.
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  I did think Trey Ford stood in the pocket much better.
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  I think he threw from the pocket much better.
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  He hit a couple of nice long passes in that opening drive from the pocket.
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  So I think there was a lot of things for Edmonton to be happy about, but still not enough and certainly not consistent enough yet
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  they're going to have to start winning pretty soon because otherwise they're going to fall behind and just not be able to make it up.
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  many seasons that you can come 0-5 and come back, right?
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  Especially when this season, the football gods with injuries, you never know.
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  Those early wins really add up.
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  Yes, they do.
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  And that's the other thing is to me that their defense is starting to pick up a little bit better, but I still don't know that it feels to me like a team that doesn't know who they
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  are yet.
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  They haven't really figured out what their identity is, what kind of football they want to play.
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  And I think that that's something that'll probably hopefully gel over the next two or three games.
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  And you know, they'll have the last two thirds of season to start actually making a push for something.
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  as even though was a game with a lot of scoring and that it to me was pretty much what you said, GT Winnipeg doing what they can do, takes a foot off the gas for a while, which they
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  seem to do in the second and third quarters usually, and then come back and win it.
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  Yeah, think the score flattered Edmonton to some extent.
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  mean, it was 13 points, but it could have been worse.
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  just based on play of the game.
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  Anything else for us to talk about there?
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  No?
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  Okay.
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  So that takes us on to game two, which was Montreal 17 at Hamilton 35.
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  The main thing that I had confirmed for me this week in this game was that GT and MJ1 are smarter than me.
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  And as a result of that,
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  As a result of that, the podcast took Hamilton in the Pickum this week and got a win, whereas I took Montreal and got a loss.
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  I was quite surprised at how much that Hamilton defense was able to keep MBT looking confused.
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  He's, I expected more out of him.
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  He's been a good quarterback through most of his career.
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  If anything, maybe he, he gets through, it gets a little too.
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  Gunsling happy now and then but to see him missing and just not see not being able to make the reads that were there when they when he saw them, you know just His accuracy was low.
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  That's what surprised me the most out of that game.
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  I think
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  Well then you have that compared to Bo Levi who got to that 100 win game.
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  it was an interesting quarterback game for those reasons because you've got these two veteran quarterbacks and one's missing and not connecting and for whatever reason in that
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  game the alouettes did not look as prepared and the tie cats just came out guns ready to go it felt like.
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  Well, thought it was just Montreal's defense played as well as they did.
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  Again, I thought the score doesn't indicate the game because it was a lot in the fourth at that point and a lot of scoring in the fourth for Hamilton.
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  or Hamilton drove the ball on the first drive all the way down the field and Bowe looked really good.
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  but then got to the goal line and Montreal stopped them cold at the goal line.
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  Montreal's defense they were playing really well.
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  But their offense was doing nothing.
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  And I really thought that MBT, as you said, MJ, just wasn't on at all.
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  And listening to the flight deck guys at post game thing, they were just spitting Chicklets about MBT.
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  They were not impressed and not happy at all.
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  and I don't blame them I agree with you.
• 24:10
  He looked almost as bad as Mazzoli and that's pretty bad.
• 24:13
  I thought Montreal's defense played pretty well.
• 24:15
  And if you look at it, I mean, at the end of the first quarter, it was
• 24:19
  chaos because I was sitting there going, can't believe it, we're going to have the most outstanding CFL score that's absolutely possible.
• 24:28
  1-1 at the end of the fourth quarter.
• 24:32
  And then there was an interception for Hamilton and I thought, oh, there goes the 1-1.
• 24:37
  And then Montreal got it back and I go, oh, there it goes.
• 24:40
  And then it was, and it ended up being 1-1 at the end of the first quarter.
• 24:46
  And take that all you rouge haters.
• 24:48
  There you go.
• 24:50
  It was the most CFL score you can get.
• 24:52
  Too bad it wasn't a final, but nonetheless, I thought that was great.
• 24:56
  So that just shows that for all the stuff that was going on on the field, there was no scoring at all.
• 25:02
  In the first quarter, it wasn't until late where they really kind of took over.
• 25:07
  And by that time, think Montreal's defense just had...
• 25:10
  Just couldn't keep up because their offense was constantly giving the ball back to Hamilton and allowing Hamilton to just continue to drive.
• 25:18
  Well, Hamilton, I can't pronounce his last name, but that rookie, what a game he had.
• 25:23
  Like it said, think eight tackles and then the touchdown.
• 25:27
  Verosok.
• 25:28
  is a, yeah, there is a, yeah.
• 25:30
  Yeah, so I mean, that's exactly it.
• 25:33
  Like if you can't get fired up and you can't get in as a team, I feel like the tie cats, like it just really sparked something and it almost was like a different game in the
• 25:44
  second half.
• 25:44
  Yeah, you're right.
• 25:46
  And I can't wait to see more of Ericek because frankly, he was in the right place for that interception and getting a pic.
• 25:55
  yeah, two Alouette receivers both standing side by side that neither of them should have been there.
• 26:00
  And then it was like, yeah, so he made a great interception and was able to score on it, was, and MBT shouldn't have thrown the ball.
• 26:07
  It was just a bad offensive play that he took advantage of, but that's what you have to do.
• 26:12
  And yeah, he was a great, great draft choice by the time catch.
• 26:15
  He's going to be there.
• 26:16
  He's Zambiasi coming next.
• 26:18
  He's going to be there forever.
• 26:20
  Yeah, that's what, what I was going to say is, you know, right place, right time for the interception and that, but I can't wait to see him with another four or five full games
• 26:29
  under his belt because he was playing well.
• 26:32
  But to me, he was playing like a rookie.
• 26:34
  was still playing a little bit more safety than linebacker.
• 26:37
  He was making sure he had room to get to and make the tackles and that once he starts just trusting his instincts and crashing when he reads run and stuff, I think they've got a
• 26:47
  keeper there.
• 26:48
  He's gonna be very good.
• 26:50
  Absolutely.
• 26:54
  My nephew, I think, as you know, is an Als fan and well, that's fan and after, I think it was after that special team throw where the punter threw the ball.
• 27:04
  He took off his jersey and threw it down the stairs.
• 27:09
  no, yeah.
• 27:15
  Yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  Gonna be a great CFL fan.
• 27:18
  Yeah.
• 27:18
  The other...
• 27:20
  Yes.
• 27:20
  uh
• 27:27
  really good play.
• 27:27
  There were some again for all the shenanigans on the weekend, there was still some individual terrific plays.
• 27:34
  There was that one.
• 27:35
  There was the Najee Murray hit on the goal line as well where he just came across and popped somebody.
• 27:41
  It was unbelievable.
• 27:42
  But yeah, there was some there was some good stuff.
• 27:44
  But that was a well executed play.
• 27:46
  And it was also, what a great game if you're a fan of the safety play in the CFL.
• 27:51
  Cause to me that was almost worth the admission watching Marc-Antoine Ducrois on one side and Stravos Katsantonis on the other.
• 27:59
  They were both having great games back there.
• 28:01
  And I go back and forth in my mind over which of them is the best safety in the league.
• 28:06
  It usually has to do with who's played last
• 28:08
  Well, I'll tell you another guy that's making inroads and we'll talk about him in a little while, but Boilier in BC put him on that list because he's playing like he's really coming
• 28:20
  into his own.
• 28:21
  he made some very good plays this week.
• 28:24
  And so unless we've got anything more to talk with him, let's go on to the game that he was in then.
• 28:30
  Okay.
• 28:31
  So this is game three.
• 28:33
  This was the Saturday night as we're back across all four nights for the next, think eight weeks or something until week 12.
• 28:41
  Anyway, so this was BC 17 at Saskatchewan 37 and
• 28:48
  My notes that I had was basically it was the battle of the backups.
• 28:51
  It was one of two games that had the backups in there.
• 28:54
  And unfortunately, Mazzoli still looks like he's struggling badly to pick up what they're doing there.
• 29:01
  And Maier didn't have a barn burner game, but he did what was asked of him.
• 29:07
  He didn't give the ball away.
• 29:08
  He didn't fumble, didn't turn it over.
• 29:11
  And that seems to be what they needed for that win.
• 29:13
  Yeah, this is a game that actually the score was kind of indicative of the game because BC just did everything wrong.
• 29:22
  It was incredible how bad they were in every sense of the game.
• 29:27
  and Saskatchewan just managed it, that AJ Ouellette running hard the entire game from the beginning to the end.
• 29:34
  And as I said, my note was AJ running hard, Maier doing Maier things.
• 29:39
  Lots of short sideline passes.
• 29:41
  He did nothing that was going to, as you just said, man, that was going to get him in trouble.
• 29:44
  He did, there was one pass that I think more than went more than 10 yards and it was a nice one, but the receiver is wide open because BC finally decided to blitz and left the
• 29:54
  guy wide open down the sideline.
• 29:56
  It was crazy.
• 29:57
  So this game and you know, we can say, you know, here's another team that you can say, well, they've only played because they, Saskatchewan's four and they haven't played
• 30:06
  anybody good yet.
• 30:07
  And they played, you know, literally who have they played?
• 30:10
  They played three teams.
• 30:13
  is the best that you can say because they had Brown in there for them.
• 30:16
  just because they haven't played each other, it's hard to get a feel for any of them there.
• 30:21
  because I didn't, I honestly didn't think Saskatchewan looked terrific.
• 30:25
  I just thought they looked okay at best.
• 30:27
  And it was because BC just did absolutely everything wrong that you could possibly do and still play 60 minutes of football.
• 30:36
  They fumbled, they intercept, they did nothing.
• 30:40
  mean, and Benavides, they couldn't stop the run, at all.
• 30:43
  It was a waste of time.
• 30:45
  If Ben Avedis, I don't know how he still has a job after last week, he should have never had it to begin with as the DC and BC.
• 30:52
  And I don't know how he has it after last week.
• 30:55
  The first coach to be fired, my hot take should be Ben Avedis.
• 30:58
  Well, like I've set his name around, but he had, yeah, a hundred yard game.
• 31:03
  Like that's huge.
• 31:04
  So BC clearly had no answer for what was going on for anything, right?
• 31:09
  That was going on.
• 31:10
  All my notes said, penalties And then we left early.
• 31:15
  yeah, yeah.
• 31:17
  Penalty after penalty.
• 31:19
  Every time they got some momentum, they buggered it up It was either a penalty or an interception or a drop ball or something.
• 31:26
  It was just one thing after another.
• 31:29
  What did I, here's the note that I put down.
• 31:31
  They showed the stats at the end of the first quarter in 15 minutes.
• 31:35
  or Saskatchewan had the ball 10 and a half minutes in the first quarter.
• 31:39
  That's crazy.
• 31:41
  You're not winning a football game.
• 31:43
  exactly.
• 31:43
  And I think, I think they ended up over 40 minutes of the game time.
• 31:47
  So, doubled up the time that the BZ had.
• 31:50
  And, like you said, they were, their defense was playing well.
• 31:53
  Their offense was running the ball well.
• 31:55
  Passing game wasn't great, but it got done what it needed to.
• 31:59
  And to what you said, even the one deep throw to Robustelli there, he was wide open.
• 32:04
  If that had been a good throw, that's a touchdown.
• 32:07
  Yeah.
• 32:08
  as it was where the ball was placed, he had to twist around in the air and turn himself into a pretzel to even get it and get one foot down.
• 32:15
  So it's not like it was a stellar game for Maier, but like I said, I think to me the biggest thing was what they wanted and what they got out of him was he didn't turn the
• 32:26
  ball over.
• 32:28
  Yeah, was interesting.
• 32:30
  So we had all my family together.
• 32:32
  Saturday night we had a barbecue and the game was on.
• 32:35
  So you had the TV on and all you could hear is that we were with a bunch of BC fans, not a single Saskatchewan fan in the bunch.
• 32:42
  And just like, yeah, lots of yelling at the TV.
• 32:45
  So you're trying to have a conversation.
• 32:47
  And I just thought, you're not running, just turn off the game.
• 32:50
  And then like I said, we ended up leaving early.
• 32:52
  But for a Saskatchewan fan.
• 32:54
  Yeah, it was a consistent game.
• 32:56
  It was nice to see.
• 32:57
  Not for BC man.
• 32:59
  and really the only thing that, the only time that it looked like it was actually a game and not a complete blowout was that one drive that, BC put together where they went hurry
• 33:09
  up midway through the second quarter.
• 33:11
  And for whatever reason, Saskatchewan had no answer to that.
• 33:17
  and at that point, they actually were up by a single point, seven to six, because Saskatchewan, for all of their moving of the ball, know, typical Jake Maier, they ended up
• 33:26
  having to settle for two field goals because he couldn't get them in the end zone.
• 33:31
  I wouldn't be if, you know, they went into the bye on a four and and they were talking about how much better it feels about going into a bye of four and rather than three and
• 33:40
  one.
• 33:40
  I wouldn't feel that great after that game if I was Saskatchewan.
• 33:43
  I'd be like, man, we got a lot of work to do because we, won this game, but so what?
• 33:49
  There was a lot of things that they didn't do right.
• 33:53
  how many penalties have Saskatchewan taken this year and how many yards that totals and then how does that affect your overall game plan?
• 34:01
  if you can't have dis...
• 34:02
  like no matter how good your running is, no matter how good your receivers are, if your defense is on point, if you're taking all those penalties, you're just, you're leaving
• 34:13
  yardage out there that is hard to get back.
• 34:16
  Yeah, I didn't see what was the final on the penalties this week with Saskatchewan there.
• 34:23
  I think they ended up somewhere around about 90 yards or so, which is more than you want, but much better than the week before.
• 34:32
  for this season, that week before had been the anomaly, because up until then, the first two games, didn't take many at all.
• 34:40
  And it just seems like
• 34:41
  They've been the worst of the poster trials for it, but this last two weeks the penalties, in my mind, have gone up more across the board than we saw in the first couple of weeks of
• 34:51
  the season.
• 34:51
  That's interesting.
• 34:52
  wondering if that's a...
• 34:54
  Because there's so many injuries, I'm if that's a, hey officials, let's get together and rethink these rules, or not rethink the rules, but how are we calling these games?
• 35:03
  I mean, I don't know if a lot of the plays that were called had anything to do with that, that might be something.
• 35:09
  I think a lot of that is just, you've got second tier guys in there and they just make more mistakes so they get more calls, right?
• 35:18
  No.
• 35:18
  It has, it's not, yeah, it's not like there's been suddenly a rash of terrible play that people are out to injure each other and all of that.
• 35:24
  It's just a lot of them are concentration penalties.
• 35:28
  Like there has been an inordinately large number of offsides and illegal procedure penalties for the start of this year.
• 35:36
  I'm not sure how many I'll have to do some tracking on that, but it just seems like
• 35:40
  That's been the go-to penalty for getting called.
• 35:43
  And then of course every time they call it, takes twice as long now because they have to go up to the replay center and make sure that who they saw moved was actually who moved
• 35:52
  first and stuff.
• 35:53
  I wish they could find a way to stop doing that.
• 35:55
  I hate the way that slows down the game and you would think on something like that you could just let the ref call it on the line.
• 36:03
  Yeah, and then if it really matters, like figure it out after, like if you need to penalize a specific player and it wasn't called exactly right, correct that after.
• 36:12
  yeah, for a 15 yard penalty one way or the other, I think it's worth them taking a good long look.
• 36:18
  Five yards one way or the other doesn't need to slow the game up that much.
• 36:22
  I didn't think.
• 36:22
  What else did I have to say here?
• 36:24
  a couple of things that didn't get mentioned is Sayles for riders.
• 36:29
  Considering he's about, I don't know what his actual size is.
• 36:32
  He looks like he's about 180 soaking wet.
• 36:35
  And he put on another big hit this weekend.
• 36:37
  So he's been, something's got him eating his Wheaties and he's been feeling them and really laying into people.
• 36:44
  the other thing I was going to mention was the punter.
• 36:46
  I think it's Joe Coach, it?
• 36:48
  Yeah.
• 36:48
  So I wondered if he found out how popular John Ryan used to be in Saskatchewan and he's practicing his style.
• 36:56
  Cause there were two singles there that probably shouldn't have been.
• 36:59
  And that took Ryan almost his entire season back in the CFL to learn how not to do that.
• 37:05
  Yeah, I thought you were going to bring up the Casey's the Sayles hit and it was interesting because that was a big hit.
• 37:11
  But the thing that I thought about that was as I watched it was Butler, you know, popped right back up after that hit and he hung on to the ball and it was a four yard or five
• 37:22
  yard reception.
• 37:23
  So as big as the hit was, it was second and five and he popped right back up
• 37:29
  yeah,
• 37:29
  the hit was tremendous, you know, but I knew, that it would be exciting for Ryder fans.
• 37:34
  the next time the Saskatchewan had the ball, there wasn't a hit that I thought was as big or bigger.
• 37:41
  And that was Bouillieu coming over the middle and just laying out the receiver.
• 37:45
  And the receiver did not catch the ball.
• 37:48
  And it was a much longer pass in a second and...
• 37:51
  you know, converting.
• 37:52
  So that was a much more effective actual hit than the one that Sayles laid out.
• 37:57
  So it was tough.
• 37:59
  yeah, I'll give you that.
• 38:01
  That was classic safety play the way you played that.
• 38:04
  it was good.
• 38:04
  The only reason I keep mentioning it with sales is because again, if I see that from someone like Belle You or someone like, I'm trying to think of some of the safeties like
• 38:14
  Hitchcock back in Hamilton and day, but even the, even the fellow who, from played with Winnipeg and then Montreal, I know him.
• 38:21
  He's from Kelwona here.
• 38:22
  I shouldn't think of the name.
• 38:26
  Yeah.
• 38:26
  Yeah, yeah, I know exactly who you mean.
• 38:28
  Yeah.
• 38:28
  someone like that, they make a hit, a big hit in the backfield somewhere there and I expect it, but a corner that's the size of Sayles I feel like I have to celebrate it a
• 38:39
  bit.
• 38:39
  Yeah, and no disrespect, that was a big hit.
• 38:42
  was serious, but it was interesting.
• 38:45
  I thought, okay, but it still was a completed path.
• 38:50
  The difference there being that Butler got hit with the framing hammer and whoever the rider was got hit with the sledge from Belle U.
• 39:00
  The extra weight helps.
• 39:02
  And the difference was Saskatchewan 37 BC 17.
• 39:08
  So it doesn't really matter.
• 39:11
  Yeah.
• 39:12
  Okay.
• 39:12
  So I guess that takes us in pretty much to the end.
• 39:15
  The last game of the week, Toronto 29 and Ottawa 16.
• 39:19
  And my headline for this one was start the car because Toronto sure stole something there.
• 39:27
  They got out, played the entire game and then just got those freak plays and walked away with a victory.
• 39:34
  Like that, as much as I hate to give any praise to the Argos, I really like I missed the last half of the game because we were driving.
• 39:43
  that first half, I was so entertained.
• 39:46
  What a great start.
• 39:47
  I just I mean, there are a ton of penalties as well.
• 39:50
  But that Argos rookie whose name I can't pronounce.
• 39:54
  a game.
• 39:57
  Sluka.
• 39:57
  Yeah.
• 39:58
  Two touch zones of over 100 yards from a DB.
• 40:02
  Well, the interesting thing is, is my notes, you know, I wrote down is there was 10 minutes before anything happened.
• 40:09
  We were five minutes into the, like there was five minutes left in the first quarter before anything happened.
• 40:14
  It was just two and out, two and out, two and out, two and out, two and out.
• 40:17
  look, something exciting.
• 40:18
  it was crumb going into the end zone and getting picked off,
• 40:21
  Ottawa left 17 points on the board, at least, and that was what they left.
• 40:26
  10 of those points turned into touchdowns for Toronto.
• 40:28
  So that's another step.
• 40:30
  I mean, you can't win like that.
• 40:31
  was crazy circumstance.
• 40:33
  I had to send out, embrace the chaos, because it was crazy.
• 40:38
  Yeah, I did the math on it and I think if things had sort of gone the way that they normally would in a football game, that I think would have been something like Ottawa 33,
• 40:45
  Toronto 11.
• 40:48
  But as it was, just bizarre stuff.
• 40:51
  Although I will say this, I was mentioning last week about BC and just hustling after the ball I've always got that impression from Ottawa that they're a team like that, but
• 41:00
  It kind of bothered me when that first, or yeah, the first of Sulka, I can't pronounce his name either anyway, the first of his big plays came, frankly, Pimpleton fumbled the ball
• 41:13
  and then stood there and watched him pick it up and made no effort to even tag him down.
• 41:18
  And that to me feels kind of like the same, like the teams that are out there preaching in practice, every practice with your offense, you.
• 41:27
  You protect the ball and with defense, it's our ball.
• 41:30
  go get that ball every when, when teams harp on that, you see it show up in the play.
• 41:35
  And I get the feeling that there's, that that's not something Ottawa really preaches a whole lot or BC because again, we've seen to plays two weeks in a row that they've just
• 41:45
  been laxadaisical about giving up big plays.
• 41:49
  Well, there's a couple things there and I agree with you on that where people, and as I've talked about it too, where people don't play to the whistle.
• 41:56
  You're supposed to play to the whistle.
• 41:58
  There was no whistle on that play until he ran into the end zone the other way.
• 42:03
  Now, in defense of Pimpleton, there was a lot of controversy on that play that wasn't talked about on the broadcast at all.
• 42:11
  never even mentioned on the broadcast and somebody brought it up on blue sky and then it went back and forth quite a bit on blue sky and i'm sure it was over on the bad place too
• 42:21
  but it was because Franklin as he came over he went out of bounds came back
• 42:27
  into the play and then punched the ball out.
• 42:30
  Now that was a legal play, but it doesn't look like it.
• 42:35
  So in Pimpleton's defense, he might've just thought, this plays whistle dead.
• 42:39
  I don't have to worry about it that he punched the ball out.
• 42:41
  That's a, that's not a fumble.
• 42:43
  he might've thought that because it's such a bizarre circumstance because he didn't like tip toe.
• 42:49
  He went.
• 42:50
  right across the whole line and back into the play.
• 42:53
  It was blatantly obvious on the replay that he had done it.
• 42:56
  And people were, how can that happen?
• 42:58
  Well, I finally looked up the rule today because it was back and forth that you can't do it.
• 43:04
  And yeah, you can do it.
• 43:05
  And then someone else clarified finally that that is allowed.
• 43:09
  You're allowed to go out of bounds, come back in as long as you establish that you are back in bounds before you interact again.
• 43:19
  on the play, which he clearly did.
• 43:21
  So it was a legal play it was the right thing to do.
• 43:25
  I thought they should have done something about that on TV, explained it, showed it at all, because it was pretty obvious that he'd gone out of bounds, but they didn't.
• 43:33
  Ben Grant from the Argos broadcast explained the rule to, But I was surprised that it wasn't until today that people were finally, getting the right information about it.
• 43:44
  But that was a tremendous play where where Sluka just picked the ball up.
• 43:48
  Pimpleton was there on by himself on an island, right?
• 43:51
  Because he's the receiver.
• 43:52
  He's the receiver.
• 43:55
  in the meantime, there's four Argos there because all the defensive guys have rushed to the ball.
• 43:59
  he had Sluka had four guys to block for him right away as soon as they all started trying to run down the field.
• 44:06
  only Crumb had a chance to catch him and he didn't.
• 44:09
  on that play for Franklin, like he had a couple of penalties and I don't know if he was the one that Dinwiddie was really upset about the week before.
• 44:17
  But when he punched that ball out, I thought, okay, here's his redemption moment creating this opportunity that got run back for a touchdown.
• 44:26
  But I thought before then, like I think he had two penalties.
• 44:30
  before that happened and I thought, ooh, this guy has got to do something big.
• 44:33
  And then that happened and I thought, okay.
• 44:35
  big, big play that he, clearly was keyed into that play and wanted to make something happen to show coach, I can do this.
• 44:43
  Yeah, because he wasn't focused before that, because like you said, the penalties, and they were both offside penalties when he was playing press coverage.
• 44:51
  I've never seen a DB taken offside playing that before, two of them in a game.
• 44:56
  kind of a game.
• 44:56
  was so much going on.
• 44:57
  was just bizarro stuff from start to finish.
• 45:00
  So, yeah.
• 45:04
  Yeah.
• 45:05
  And, even Crumm made some passes that weren't bad.
• 45:09
  He didn't look fantastic to me, but I'll say frankly, he looked better than, Schultz.
• 45:15
  Yeah.
• 45:15
  When the one game he played.
• 45:17
  I would still love to see Tyree Adams get a chance, but.
• 45:20
  Me too.
• 45:21
  Me too.
• 45:22
  Yeah.
• 45:22
  But I, but I don't think Crumm played badly.
• 45:24
  And in fact, I thought he was, they were getting some momentum there in the, in the, into the late third and through mid part of the fourth quarter.
• 45:32
  And it looked like they were going to kind of make it back until Coxie that great catch and then kind of got the momentum back for Toronto.
• 45:40
  But, but yeah.
• 45:41
  And then, you know, we can talk about, there was, you know, the Ryan Hunter big guy TD, you know, which was terrific.
• 45:49
  And it was, you know, two weeks in a row we've had it and on exactly the same play.
• 45:52
  It was identical to the Winnipeg TV the week before.
• 45:56
  Same route, same everything.
• 45:58
  It was amazing to like, I guess that works.
• 46:00
  Now everybody will be running it.
• 46:02
  um But what would...
• 46:04
  coach, what do do now?
• 46:05
  That's great.
• 46:06
  But I thought what was better was Lee Jr.
• 46:10
  on Ottawa, the offensive lineman that caught the battered ball.
• 46:14
  And then the spin move and everything else, that was terrific.
• 46:19
  He was chugging there for five or years.
• 46:22
  yeah.
• 46:22
  And that five yards got them a three points because it got them back in field goal range.
• 46:26
  Yeah.
• 46:27
  No, I love to see those.
• 46:28
  Like you said, it was the same play call but the, it turned out completely different because whereas Eli from Winnipeg had to work for his Hunter was, he was the only one in
• 46:38
  the end zone.
• 46:39
  Yeah, he cruised.
• 46:41
  No doubt about it.
• 46:42
  thought, going back to what you said, G.T., about no one catching that rule.
• 46:47
  Like, La Police was doing colour commentary on that game, and he loves explaining things.
• 46:53
  So it's interesting that he didn't catch that one, because I'm sure that would have been, like, his thing.
• 47:00
  Well, they also missed something later on between the two of them were between him and why am I thinking Smith?
• 47:08
  The, you know, oh yeah, where it was second and goal and it looked like Ottawa got a touchdown, but it wasn't called a touchdown.
• 47:15
  So then they had to come back out and they kind of lost track of where the game was.
• 47:19
  And they came out and said, Rod Smith said, oh, they're lining up for a third, you know, for a two point conversion.
• 47:25
  And it was like, no, no, that's not a two point conversion.
• 47:32
  Well, and you had to be because the only signal that you got on that was on, or at least the only thing I saw that was televised was on the play itself.
• 47:41
  When he went in and there was the whole crash up at the line, the line judge came running in with the third down single and pointing at the one yard line.
• 47:51
  But that was the...
• 47:52
  So that's why I knew what was going on and knew that the announcers, I think it was Rod Smith in that one, wasn't it?
• 47:57
  That he was a little off, but he figured it out eventually too.
• 48:01
  Yeah.
• 48:04
  The other problem I had with Crumb, frankly, his accuracy was not bad, but he gets out of the pocket when he doesn't need to.
• 48:13
  And I don't even mean like his big wide scrambles.
• 48:16
  There were two or three times when...
• 48:17
  He could have completed a pass from within the pocket.
• 48:20
  And I don't know if he just couldn't see the showing lanes or what, but he shuffled usually to the left.
• 48:27
  Some do it once to the right, but usually to the left, two or three steps and then took two sacks doing that.
• 48:33
  So I don't know what the issue is with him.
• 48:36
  Like I say, whether it's just, he figures he's got no throwing lanes to, to put the ball through or what, but it didn't, didn't look impressive to me.
• 48:43
  I don't think he's.
• 48:44
  anything but a third string quarterback in this league and I think they need to be looking somewhere else for second.
• 48:50
  Yeah, well, again, as we said, you know, there was a reason he was fourth on the depth chart two years ago.
• 48:54
  he has gotten better, but he's not there yet.
• 48:57
  And whether he is ever going to get there, who knows, but he's certainly not there yet.
• 49:02
  And they desperately need to grow back.
• 49:04
  They desperately need.
• 49:06
  Well, and at some point your O line gets frustrated.
• 49:09
  Like how much more space and time can we give you if you're not going to use it for that play?
• 49:14
  and I didn't, I wasn't paying attention to the O-line lineup as such, but I did hear a lot of commentary about that was not Ottawa starting O-line again.
• 49:25
  Back to the injuries thing, they were missing a couple of key players apparently on the O-line.
• 49:30
  So that certainly doesn't help.
• 49:31
  then SLUKA got the block punt return as well for the touchdown.
• 49:36
  Yeah.
• 49:37
  incredibly, incredibly smart play by him, to turn it back and go the other way.
• 49:44
  the...
• 49:45
  for doing that.
• 49:46
  I thought he was going down for sure.
• 49:49
  And then...
• 49:50
  you know, because it was blocked in one direction and he went all the way to the end zone on that side, you got all the big guys out there on the field goal team, you don't have a
• 49:58
  lot of smaller players on that kicking team.
• 50:02
  and they're all headed over there to make sure he doesn't come out.
• 50:05
  So then he turned it back the other way and it was wide open and off he went.
• 50:09
  it was really, that was...
• 50:11
  more impressive than the first one in my mind.
• 50:14
  it was football smarts.
• 50:17
  And frankly, Ottawa would have been better off in that situation if they had been kicking a 40 yard field goal, because then they would have had their smaller team into for
• 50:26
  coverage.
• 50:27
  Cause you can see, yeah, he's once he was in the end zone with 300 pound guys around him, it didn't look like it was going to end up good.
• 50:34
  And it certainly didn't.
• 50:36
  It was a good weekend for the rookies, that's for sure.
• 50:39
  One of the other things about the game, just to mention quickly, is that Toronto finally got a couple of players back.
• 50:45
  A couple of starters, Devaris Daniels came back and he looked quite good.
• 50:49
  I thought he played really well.
• 50:50
  He looked sharp, made a couple of really nice catches.
• 50:53
  And also, Janarian Grant came back.
• 50:55
  And while he wasn't the guy that made that punt return or anything like that, he had several decent returns.
• 51:03
  And I think he just puts a fear into the other team enough that they have to play differently than they would if he's not there.
• 51:11
  They cannot be as aggressive.
• 51:13
  So even just the mere fact that he's back there, what makes a difference.
• 51:17
  And this week, he'll probably be better.
• 51:20
  So yeah, I think the Argos might be getting some players back and we'll see how if this kick starts their season.
• 51:26
  So a lot of teams that were 0 and 3,
• 51:29
  Toronto, Hamilton especially, maybe have kick-started themselves in the right direction this weekend.
• 51:34
  and they'll need that because they also said last week, they came out and said that Kelly won't be back till what is it now?
• 51:42
  Week seven, cause they have two games coming up and then the buy.
• 51:47
  they said they were expecting him back after the buy.
• 51:49
  that would be.
• 51:51
  Yeah.
• 51:51
  We get seven or eight, something there, but yeah, they'll be without him for a while.
• 51:54
  that.
• 51:55
  That makes me wonder if maybe there's something else going on there with, with him and with the injury.
• 52:02
  I think about the fact that look at Mazzoli, what really did him in was getting that injury in Saskatchewan, which should never should have happened to him.
• 52:10
  And then when just when it was healing, he got infected and that kept him out for two years and he's never been the same player.
• 52:17
  So I'm hoping we're not seeing something like that with Kelly where it's.
• 52:22
  going to have longer term effects and just the recovery.
• 52:25
  mean when you think about it really it's seven months ago that he did that double fracture so that's a pretty aggressive schedule anyway but I hope he's going to be back soon.
• 52:35
  They need him.
• 52:37
  I checked the injury report and it said he was limited in practice.
• 52:40
  It didn't say not practicing, it said limited.
• 52:43
  at least he's on the field.
• 52:44
  three weeks now though.
• 52:45
  So, and, and, and again, you've got Pierce playing his games out in BC giving, Rourke reps in practice when everybody knows he's not going to be playing and
• 52:57
  Well, I read a report today on TSN that Rourke took complete first team reps today.
• 53:03
  Okay.
• 53:03
  Well that will be good because I, I don't know anything about an oblique injury like that, but I, I do know I, I was listening to one of the other podcasts out there and somebody
• 53:13
  was talking about their baseball experience and they said it's a common injury in baseball where it's from the throwing motion.
• 53:20
  wasn't a contact.
• 53:21
  And they said everything that they've seen, it's at least a month before you can be looking at going back to it.
• 53:27
  Now, again, maybe less of a torquey motion on the
• 53:30
  torso in football I don't know but maybe he'll be back this week and I guess we should go on to that now we don't we kind of were flowing down here so let's get to that so this
• 53:39
  week we were three and one since you two beat me into to going with Hamilton so that's not so bad I don't have our full records here but we'll go with that so this week we're
• 53:53
  starting with the Winnipeg at Calgary on Thursday night.
• 53:56
  What are we thinking?
• 53:58
  Oh boy.
• 53:59
  Olivera's coming back, I heard.
• 54:01
  And Collaros is on a roll.
• 54:03
  But I don't know.
• 54:04
  Like I really want Calgary.
• 54:06
  It's the Stampede Bowl.
• 54:08
  Talking about CFL merchandising I don't know.
• 54:11
  Stampede Bowl.
• 54:13
  I don't know.
• 54:13
  with that really nice trophy that looks like it's a kid's transformer toy or something.
• 54:19
  I posted it looks like Loki's helmet in red.
• 54:22
  Yeah
• 54:23
  Yeah, I'm taking Calgary.
• 54:25
  just feel like they're going to come out.
• 54:27
  Dickinson rarely loses coming off of a bye.
• 54:30
  I just have a feeling that they're going to end up winning this game.
• 54:33
  It's going to be, I think it's going to be a close one.
• 54:35
  I don't think it's going to be a lot of points, but somehow, and I think your Collaros statement to, you know, make sense that he's not going to have another week like last
• 54:43
  week.
• 54:44
  And I think, yeah, think the Stampeters are somehow going to pull it off.
• 54:47
  I don't think necessarily they're going to look great doing it, but somehow I think they're going to pull it off.
• 54:51
  VA has to have some like it has to start clicking so I'm going to go with you in Calgary too.
• 54:58
  Yeah, Calgary's got this next four weeks in their schedule, think makes or breaks Calgary, not doesn't necessarily make or break, but certainly tells us who they are over the next
• 55:11
  four weeks.
• 55:12
  Winnipeg, Saskatchewan, Winnipeg, BC.
• 55:14
  So that's, if they can be two and two coming out of that, they'll be in pretty good shape.
• 55:20
  I would definitely say so.
• 55:22
  the podcast takes Calgary.
• 55:24
  I'm going to be the dissenting opinion here again.
• 55:27
  And frankly, it wasn't for the fact that specifically the struggles that the Stampeders are having at Linebacker, if Lee was still in there, I might go Calgary.
• 55:39
  I'd be seriously tempted for it.
• 55:41
  But Wilson, I've picked him up from
• 55:44
  from when he was released in Hamilton, but I don't know that he's definitely the answer.
• 55:50
  I think it will be a good game.
• 55:51
  think that V.A.' gonna probably get definitely his first throwing touchdown this weekend and I wouldn't be surprised to see if he gets maybe a trio of them even.
• 56:00
  But I do think in the end that Winnipeg will control the clock with their running game enough and control the time and find a way to...
• 56:09
  to do what they do.
• 56:10
  Get an early lead, let it get close in the third, and then start just running the ball.
• 56:16
  They'll get themselves like a six point lead and start running the ball and take the entire last quarter running from one end zone to the other and the game will be over.
• 56:26
  All right, Hamilton at Toronto on the Friday night.
• 56:30
  Somebody's got a very Hamilton-type shirt on there, MJ-2?
• 56:34
  What are we gonna...
• 56:35
  Who are you picking for this?
• 56:37
  You know what have to go with with Hamilton like I just after both Levi's game.
• 56:42
  I don't know I feel like Things are coming together.
• 56:46
  They've got some good energy going in Toronto.
• 56:48
  I Can't ever cheer for the Argos
• 56:50
  hahaha
• 56:52
  You don't have to cheer to pick them.
• 56:54
  No.
• 56:55
  No.
• 56:57
  Although, although I gotta say, I didn't mention this during, just let me put this in, I didn't mention this during the game, but it was in my notes that at one point during that
• 57:07
  game, they panned the crowd and there was this great big burly guy in all of his tie cat gear and the hat and stuff.
• 57:12
  And he's cradling like a one year old in a fully swaddled in a tiger cat blanket and everything.
• 57:17
  And they've got the camera on them and the kid looks like they're like, he's just kind of half awake.
• 57:22
  And I fully expected him to turn to the camera and mouth.
• 57:25
  Argos suck.
• 57:27
  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
• 57:31
  Anyway, GT, what do you think?
• 57:33
  I'm actually going Toronto.
• 57:35
  I'm actually and not for I just feel like again, they've had a lot of things go wrong.
• 57:41
  They finally had some things go right and they got some players coming back I just I just feel like it's Toronto's night.
• 57:47
  They're, they're, they are a tough team to beat even when they're down and they're at home But I, I'm leaning towards the tie cats myself.
• 57:55
  think that just based on what I've seen the overall of the season from the two teams, I don't think it's going to be a blowout by any means.
• 58:03
  think it's going to be a very good Toronto Hamilton game, but I think Hamilton will take it.
• 58:07
  So we're going that way.
• 58:09
  We're going with Hamilton.
• 58:10
  Then we got BC traveling across the country and going into Montreal.
• 58:13
  Saturday game, so they'll be there Friday night for St.
• 58:16
  Catherine Street.
• 58:17
  I don't know if they still do that, but...
• 58:19
  Yeah.
• 58:20
  Again, this is like last week.
• 58:22
  This is all about quarterbacks, right?
• 58:24
  If at this point in time, it's, given the reports today, it's going to be Roark versus MBT, Montreal's defense against, BC's defense.
• 58:36
  So I don't know.
• 58:39
  I'm sticking with Montreal.
• 58:41
  just, again, as I said last week, I have no faith in BC.
• 58:44
  Yeah, I'm with you on that.
• 58:46
  I'm also going for Montreal like after last week like versus Saskatchewan like I you know, I think you said coaching all the things if Rourke is back is he even fully back so
• 58:59
  Well, and even if he's fully back, they've, I mean, let's be honest, they've had, they've played three games now because they had a bye, but of those three games, they've had maybe
• 59:11
  three good quarters of football.
• 59:13
  The last half of the Edmonton game and when Winnipeg was in BC.
• 59:17
  No, I think I'm going Montreal as well just because of the defense and another week of practice.
• 59:23
  MBT can't keep me in that bad, I think.
• 59:25
  So are we unanimous across that then?
• 59:27
  Okay.
• 59:31
  And the last one, which could be interesting depending again on who's in there because it is in Edmonton.
• 59:36
  It's Ottawa going out to Edmonton for Sunday night.
• 59:39
  I'm taking admin
• 59:40
  Edmonton played two quarters, Ottawa only played one.
• 59:44
  I'll take Edmonton.
• 59:47
  Yeah, I'll go, I'll jump on that bandwagon with you.
• 59:51
  I am not even a bandwagon.
• 59:52
  I really think Edmonton, you're right.
• 59:55
  Starting to make those connections in Ottawa doesn't have a lot of answer I'll go with Edmonton as well.
• 1:00:03
  Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  And I think that I would lean in and take Edmonton there too, just because if Brown is back, then I may change that on my personal one, because I think with Brown in there,
• 1:00:16
  they've got a chance to win it if he's back and if he's healthy.
• 1:00:21
  I expected a lot more out of Ottawa this year.
• 1:00:23
  They looked to me like a team that was really going to go places.
• 1:00:26
  And they've shown that without
• 1:00:28
  their starting quarterback.
• 1:00:29
  They don't have much to show for things.
• 1:00:31
  I'm surprised in some ways about Ottawa's lack of a run game.
• 1:00:35
  I think Stanback's been a real big disappointment so far.
• 1:00:38
  He's not, he's looked occasionally good, but not great.
• 1:00:42
  Adam Maboye had a better, much better game on Saturday or Sunday night than Stanback did.
• 1:00:47
  I'm disappointed they went out and made those moves and yet they don't seem to have been
• 1:00:51
  using them properly, but I guess that's Tommy Condell's offense again.
• 1:00:54
  He never ran the ball in Hamilton.
• 1:00:56
  I don't know why we expect him to in Ottawa.
• 1:00:58
  and they just haven't fixed a lot of the problems that we saw last year in their secondary.
• 1:01:02
  I'm a little disappointed in Ottawa too.
• 1:01:04
  I thought they would be better.
• 1:01:06
  I didn't think they were, the best team in the division, but I thought they would just look more
• 1:01:12
  cohesive than they have right now.
• 1:01:14
  And Edmonton is looking solid enough, like you said, that I think they're starting to put some stuff together.
• 1:01:21
  It could come down to breaks one way or the other, but I think Edmonton.
• 1:01:25
  Okay.
• 1:01:26
  So there we go.
• 1:01:27
  I don't gamble, so I don't look at the odds, but I'm guessing we've probably picked a couple of underdogs there at least.
• 1:01:33
  Yeah, again, we're far enough away that I haven't, you the odds will change based on all these quarterback moves anyways, right?
• 1:01:39
  And all the injury reports.
• 1:01:41
  Like we're way out there when we're picking Sunday night games on Tuesday.
• 1:01:45
  yeah.
• 1:01:45
  It's, it's almost, but that's the schedule with it.
• 1:01:50
  But no, I, I expect I'm just what I know about sort of how the lines go.
• 1:01:54
  I expect that even though it's in Winnipeg that the Winnipeg Calgary game, Winnipeg is probably going to be a plus two and a half or something like that.
• 1:02:01
  The later, the one I did see that one because it's Thursday, there are three and a half points.
• 1:02:06
  They are three and a half point favorites in Calgary.
• 1:02:09
  Calgary is the home ground.
• 1:02:11
  So they're really saying maybe a touchdown better.
• 1:02:13
  I don't know about that one.
• 1:02:14
  And I'm guessing again, Ottawa, you will probably be favorite over Edmonton.
• 1:02:19
  Any closing thoughts?
• 1:02:22
  And again, if you know, if you can tell people where to get you on social media, GT.
• 1:02:26
  No, that's all I've got.
• 1:02:27
  It's a GT at GT Barnum at Blue Sky and find me there for very rarely, but I am there.
• 1:02:33
  I'm going to update the latest bids on the Jersey.
• 1:02:37
  Apparently there's this huge rivalry going on.
• 1:02:40
  I don't understand it, but I will say it seems to be out there.
• 1:02:45
  So we'll leave it at that.
• 1:02:47
  Good, well hopefully it'll drive up the price a bit because all the money goes to CFL fans fight cancer.
• 1:02:53
  And if anybody missed that last week, GT is auctioning off a KC Printer's Hamilton number one jersey.
• 1:03:01
  that auction will run through basically the season and all the proceeds are going to CFL fans fight cancer.
• 1:03:07
  So thank you for that.
• 1:03:08
  And how about you?
• 1:03:10
  I need to stop bidding on this jersey because I need to wait until October at the last minute and smoke in.
• 1:03:17
  But secretly, because he's the Stamps fan, I don't think he wants it in the house.
• 1:03:22
  I'm gonna stop that.
• 1:03:23
  well, you know, you gotta fight for your space too.
• 1:03:28
  If you get it, make sure the first time that he sees it, you've laid it out on his side of the bed.
• 1:03:32
  Alright, any social media handles you want to give out, anywhere to get a hold of you people.
• 1:03:37
  If you want to get a hold of me, can bug my sister, MJ.
• 1:03:41
  I think she's a little bit plants and sports.
• 1:03:43
  I don't really have an Instagram or I'm not really a social media person too much.
• 1:03:48
  I have them with work, but if you want to follow me or complain, complain to MJ.
• 1:03:54
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• 1:03:55
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• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:20
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• 1:04:25
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• 1:04:27
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• 1:04:36
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• 1:04:38
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• 1:04:44
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• 1:04:48
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