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The Kenny Report | 13 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: While the alban Easy Labor government is sworn in for
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  Speaker 2: its second term, the Liberals turned to Susan Lee as
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  Speaker 2: their first female leader. Senator Justenta nabajibber Price joins me
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  Speaker 2: live to discuss why she withdrew from the deputy leader's contest.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens are the only party without a leader now,
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  Speaker 2: unless the Tills want to fess up and admit they're
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  Speaker 2: a party. We'll head to the outback tonight and speak
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  Speaker 2: with a bloke who gets a bird's eye perspective of
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  Speaker 2: Lake Eyre's spectacular flooding. Also independent political commentary at the
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  Speaker 2: ABC Spoiler Alert its anti Conservative plus Tim Blair, Susio
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  Speaker 2: O'Brien and Stephen Senatiempo.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. So the Liberal Party has a
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  Speaker 1: new leader.
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee, the former deputy, is now the leader of
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  Speaker 2: the opposition, the toughest of political jobs in the toughest
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  Speaker 2: of times, and the Liberals have done what Labor has
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  Speaker 2: never done. That is elect a woman as leader from opposition.
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  Speaker 2: The only woman to lead Labor was Julia Gillard, who
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  Speaker 2: knifed Kevin Rudd when he was Prime Minister, and was
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  Speaker 2: later knifed by him in return.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, so Lee's assent is.
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  Speaker 2: Not just a first for the Liberals but a significant
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  Speaker 2: moment for women in the major parties, and the achievement
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  Speaker 2: wasn't lost on her as she shared some personal trauma today.
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  Speaker 3: I would acknowledge my mum Angela in Aubury on. My
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  Speaker 3: mom is very sick and on Mother's Day before I
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  Speaker 3: came up here, I called in to see her and
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  Speaker 3: I thought that it might be the last time that
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  Speaker 3: I did. She is in end of life care and
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  Speaker 3: this week has been tough because I've kept in touch
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  Speaker 3: with her and her medical team and my family, and
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to mention my mum this morning, and
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  Speaker 3: I know you'll understand that after I've taken all of
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  Speaker 3: your questions exhaustively, I will be heading home to be
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  Speaker 3: by her side.
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  Speaker 2: We wish Susan Lee and her mother some special time
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  Speaker 2: together as oppositionally to Lee face as a monumental challenge.
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  Speaker 1: She has a remarkable CV.
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  Speaker 2: A one time farmer, agricultural and commercial pilot, tax accountant
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  Speaker 2: and tax office executive, Lee is the epitome of a
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  Speaker 2: self made woman as depinely a Liberal leader, though she's
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  Speaker 2: not been prominent in daily debates so she won't be
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  Speaker 2: familiar to many voters, and many of her colleagues have
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  Speaker 2: dismissed her as a political force. Now is her time
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  Speaker 2: to deliver. The task is daunting and after Lee. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: Lee defeated Angus Taylor by only four votes, so the
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  Speaker 2: party is almost evenly divided between the Conservatives who backed
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  Speaker 2: Taylor and the Moderates who rallied behind Lee. Stepping up
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  Speaker 2: as her deputy is Ted O'Brien. He's been the climate
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  Speaker 2: and energy spokesman and did all the detailed policy work
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  Speaker 2: on nuclear, so.
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  Speaker 1: That's encouraging and that policy, along.
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  Speaker 2: With the coalition's commitment to net zero by twenty fifty,
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  Speaker 2: will be top of the list when the party gathers
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  Speaker 2: to review and debate policy.
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  Speaker 1: Lee was noncommittal today.
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  Speaker 3: Now, we need to reduce emissions in this country and
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  Speaker 3: Australia needs to play its part in reducing emissions. That
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  Speaker 3: I absolutely sign up to. We also know that if
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  Speaker 3: we don't do energy policy well, we can crash the
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  Speaker 3: energy grid, we can cripple Australian manufacturing, we can have
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  Speaker 3: a situation where sovereign manufacturing capability in this country is
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  Speaker 3: going out the door backwards or going overseas, which is
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  Speaker 3: what I have seen under mister Albanese's government.
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  Speaker 1: So we have to.
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  Speaker 3: Get energy policy as a whole right, but we have
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  Speaker 3: to recognize that we need a strong country that is
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  Speaker 3: committed to a manufacturing base that relies on cheap, reliable energy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to say it was a pretty impressive start
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  Speaker 2: lead today. She offered a confident presentation and she dealt
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  Speaker 2: with some tricky issues quite deftly in the media conference,
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  Speaker 2: strengthening her support for Israel and showing common sense on
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  Speaker 2: the indigenous flag and welcomes to country looking to unify
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  Speaker 2: the party behind her. Lee held out an olive branch
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  Speaker 2: to those who'd lined up on the other side of
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  Speaker 2: the leadership contest.
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  Speaker 3: I welcome to send her into the little party room
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  Speaker 3: this morning with a big hug, and I know many
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  Speaker 3: of my colleagues did just Center is an amazing Indigenous Australian,
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  Speaker 3: but someone who is a clear and talented communicator. So
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  Speaker 3: I want to make it very clear, and I know
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  Speaker 3: I have many times how much we welcome to Center
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  Speaker 3: into this party room. I will have more to say
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  Speaker 3: about the shaping of my shadow cabinet going forward, but
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  Speaker 3: I will say this, my shadow cabinet will include people
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  Speaker 3: who did support me in this room this morning and
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  Speaker 3: people who did not.
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  Speaker 2: As for the returned Labor government, they had a great
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  Speaker 2: day today with the swearing in of the new ministry.
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  Speaker 2: Always a time of s libration and recognition, and I
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  Speaker 2: suppose affirmation that the hard toil of politics can actually
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  Speaker 2: be worthwhile.
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  Speaker 1: But it's worth.
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  Speaker 2: Sounding a strong note of caution for Labor and many
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  Speaker 2: in the press gallery, I suppose, who are talking about
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  Speaker 2: this government being on a trajectory to rival even the
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  Speaker 2: hawk Keating era.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, give me a break. In terms of seats one.
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  Speaker 2: This is a huge and historic win by Labor, There's
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  Speaker 2: no question about that. So again, congratulations, but that's just politics.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not kid ourselves. The hawk Keating era changed the nation,
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  Speaker 2: modernized the nation, improved the nation with groundbreaking reforms many
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  Speaker 2: supported by the coalition at the time. The first term
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  Speaker 2: of the Albanezi government didn't improve.
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  Speaker 1: The nation at all. It made matters worse.
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  Speaker 2: The budget, the electricity grid, foreign affairs posture, social cohesion,
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  Speaker 2: our immigration program, all weakened, and I could go on,
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  Speaker 2: of course, but the point is the Albanezi government did
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  Speaker 2: not get on top of any challenge, with the possible
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  Speaker 2: exception of seeing inflation lowered, but they always blame that
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  Speaker 2: on global factors anyway, and their spending continues to be
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  Speaker 2: at record levels. So for this government to be a success,
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  Speaker 2: not a political success, not just beating the opposition, but
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  Speaker 2: to be a success for the country, to make the
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  Speaker 2: country better, it's going to have to do a lot
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  Speaker 2: better than it did in its first term. It's got
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  Speaker 2: to control spending and repair the budget, cut regulation and
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  Speaker 2: boost productivity, give us the reliable and affordable energy it promised,
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  Speaker 2: upgrade our defense capability, stand up to China and sort
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  Speaker 2: out our tariff woes with the US. Labor can't afford
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  Speaker 2: to believe its own publicity. It needs to do much better,
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  Speaker 2: and frankly, going on past performance, of course, we can't
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  Speaker 2: expect much, which means the coalition needs to get its
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  Speaker 2: act together very quickly, because it could be back in
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  Speaker 2: the game sooner than a lot of people think. The
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  Speaker 2: other leadership yet to be settled will be finalized on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: That's when the Greens will choose their new leader. Now,
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  Speaker 2: many of you will say, who cares, why would this matter? Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually very important. I mean, will the Greens choose
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  Speaker 2: an economically illiterate person who doesn't understand science, wants to
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  Speaker 2: put the nation's security at risk and jeopardize society by
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  Speaker 2: legalizing drugs and will stir up horrible ethnic and religious
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  Speaker 2: divisions by demonizing Israel and anyone who supports it. Or
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  Speaker 2: will they choose an economically illiterate person who doesn't understand science,
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  Speaker 2: wants to put the nation's security at risk and jeopardized
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  Speaker 2: society by legalizing drugs, and will stir up horrible ethnic
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  Speaker 2: and religious divisions by demonizing Israel and anyone who supports it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there are slim pickings. Whoever you choose, you get a Green.
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  Speaker 2: Which is why this comment from one possible leader really
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  Speaker 2: stood out for me.
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  Speaker 4: Today we've lost three magnificent men, really good men and
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  Speaker 4: wonderful representatives.
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  Speaker 2: Three magnificent men. Who on earth could she be talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Apparently she was referring to the three Green's lower House
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  Speaker 2: members who lost their seats, the man who led them
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  Speaker 2: to the election, Adam Bant, who lost his seat of Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: their housing spokesperson Max Chandler Mather who lost his seat
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  Speaker 2: of Griffith in Queensland. And Stephen Bates, who, frankly most
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  Speaker 2: of us had never heard of who lost the seat
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  Speaker 2: of Brisbane. Yeah, that's who the Greens lost. Yet Waters
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  Speaker 2: expressed it.
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  Speaker 4: Like this, We've lost three magnificent men, really good men
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  Speaker 4: and wonderful representatives.
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  Speaker 2: Look for a moment, I thought Larissa Waters must have
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  Speaker 2: been watching old movies.
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  Speaker 3: Seven magnificent men in one magnificent most picture, the Magnificent Seven.
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  Speaker 1: They were the magnificent men when I was growing up.
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  Speaker 1: But there were seven of them, not free.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe Luisa Waters was getting her movies mixed up.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she was thinking of this one.
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  Speaker 5: But right, these three amigos, they were the biggest stars
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  Speaker 5: of their day.
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  Speaker 1: The three Amigos are history. They sure are.
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  Speaker 2: The voters have spoken, we wish the Greens good luck
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  Speaker 2: in choosing a new leader. Over at the public broadcast,
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  Speaker 2: they're obviously happy that the Labor Party has been returned,
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  Speaker 2: although they'd be pretty shattered about the poor showing by
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  Speaker 2: the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: Some on the Green left have taken that pretty hard.
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  Speaker 2: Remember I showed you the podcast a Abby Chatfield and
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  Speaker 2: her reaction to Adam bans loss.
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  Speaker 6: It's not looking good and I feel sick if Adam
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  Speaker 6: Bantle los this, I didn't expect the highest worn.
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  Speaker 7: Off, guys, the highest one off.
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  Speaker 8: The joy's worn off.
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  Speaker 6: Now I want to create a sadness cool.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: This world of podcasting and social media influencing has been
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  Speaker 2: all the talk of the election campaign, and the ABC
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  Speaker 2: has been into it too. Here they are discussing the
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  Speaker 2: impact of the likes of Chatfield on the campaign.
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  Speaker 5: Just because ab Chatfield sells vibrators or butt plugs, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: it does not mean that she can't sell political ideas,
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  Speaker 5: and she does. They're called influencers for a reason because
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  Speaker 5: their reach and impact is huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He went on to wonder why politicians would subject themselves
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  Speaker 2: to a grilling from a journal when they could be
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  Speaker 2: hugged by a podcaster, and then we heard this.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think it's a hug though, and I also
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  Speaker 9: think this is the first time our country's ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: Politics made hot. I think in the US.
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  Speaker 9: It is like a fun conversation where celebrities get involved,
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  Speaker 9: but this is the first federal election in Australia where
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  Speaker 9: people are actually excited and think it's cool to get engaged,
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  Speaker 9: and you know, it used to be that it's the
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  Speaker 9: young lives in young Labor and I cover my drinks
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  Speaker 9: around them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to be around those people party.
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  Speaker 9: I've got to say that for the jury. But I
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  Speaker 9: think that Abby Chatfield and other influence in this space
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  Speaker 9: are saying it is cool to care.
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  Speaker 1: Politics made hot. Really, so the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Thinks Chatfield is the way to go in political debate.
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  Speaker 2: But who was this new commentator passed off as some
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  Speaker 2: kind of independent expert.
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  Speaker 10: And our panel Todd Samson, Toby Ralph, Hannah Ferguson, Annie
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  Speaker 10: O'Rourke and Russell how God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hannah Ferguson. She has a small online media company
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  Speaker 2: and as you'll see, she seems to be anything but neutral.
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  Speaker 11: Here's ten things to remember about Peter Dutton so that
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  Speaker 11: you can have better political conversations in the lead up
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  Speaker 11: to the election, and so that you can talk about
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  Speaker 11: him when you're wearing the good Morning to everyone except
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  Speaker 11: Peter Dutton shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so she's happy to wish everyone on a happy
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  Speaker 2: day except Peter Dutton, but her personal and political vitriole
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  Speaker 2: gets much worse than that.
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  Speaker 11: When I look at Peter Dutton supporters. The one thing
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  Speaker 11: I think is you are proudly backing a man that
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  Speaker 11: was one of George Pearl's biggest advocates, that attended his funeral,
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  Speaker 11: that released.
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  Speaker 9: His statement at the time of his passing, that defended
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  Speaker 9: him widely.
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  Speaker 11: Is that not enough of a communication about who he
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  Speaker 11: is as a person?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: She slurs Dutton with reference to horrific allegations because he
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  Speaker 2: supported an innocent man. How about that even standing up
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  Speaker 2: for the innocent is now fair game for the federal left.
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  Speaker 2: It turns out that this new ABC favorite who pushes
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  Speaker 2: her original views on air and then the ABC amplifies
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  Speaker 2: them online. What turns out she's just another rather hateful
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  Speaker 2: green left activist.
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  Speaker 11: It Dunton referred to Donald Trump as a big thinker,
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  Speaker 11: and he described our Prime Minister to Anthony Albernezi as
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  Speaker 11: limp wristed, which is a homophobic slur. This is Donald
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  Speaker 11: Trump without the factan This is a blatant mirroring of
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  Speaker 11: the US and we are seeing how that's going.
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  Speaker 2: And so thanks to the ABC, we get to hear
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  Speaker 2: what advice Ferguson would offer the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 9: I wish that someone from the Liberal Party would bring
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  Speaker 9: me in for a day. I'd given them a course
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  Speaker 9: on something.
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  Speaker 5: It'd be very helpful.
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  Speaker 8: What would you say to.
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  Speaker 9: Them, I would say, wake up tomorrow and to side.
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  Speaker 1: You're the Tills.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how well they would work in seats
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  Speaker 2: where they defeated the Tills. This is what passes for
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  Speaker 2: independent political analysis on the ABC now. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: the public broadcaster has a new minister as of today
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  Speaker 2: with Anika Wells, the Sports Minister sworn is in as
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  Speaker 2: Communications Minister. Look, you'd be foolish to expect anything to change.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, we can expect it to get worse because
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  Speaker 2: it's not our ABC or your ABC, it's their ABC.
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  Speaker 1: And they know it.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 2: As you've been seeing in the bottom corner of the
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  Speaker 2: screen there, Donald Trump, the US President, has arrived in
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  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 1: These are live pictures.
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  Speaker 2: Of him getting off Air Force one in read meeting
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  Speaker 2: the officials there. He will meet the Crown Prince and
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  Speaker 2: others in the Saudi Royal family of course, who govern
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  Speaker 2: the Principality of Saudi Arabia, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 2: This is an extraordinary trip by the president going to
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  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, to Qatar, to the region that this stage,
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  Speaker 2: though not traveling to Israel. I'll talk about these issues
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  Speaker 2: later in the program with Kristen Tape. But there are
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  Speaker 2: live pictures of the President of the US, Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: in Riad, the desert capital of Saudi Arabia, one of
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  Speaker 2: the strangest places I've ever been to in the world,
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  Speaker 2: I must admit, But these talks will be crucial, not
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  Speaker 2: just when it comes to Middle Eastern affairs and peace
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  Speaker 2: in the Middle East, but also to global trade and
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  Speaker 2: global economic dealing. So we'll keep you up to with
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  Speaker 2: those live pictures there from Saudi Arabia. Let me bring
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  Speaker 2: you back to the desk though now and introduce my
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  Speaker 2: guest for the evening, and that is just Into nawbajimp
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  Speaker 2: for Price joining me here in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, just center, Good to see you too.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us first up, why you withdrew from the deputy
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  Speaker 2: leaders contest today?
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  Speaker 12: Sure well, I declared that I was running on a
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  Speaker 12: leadership ticket with Angus Taylor, and I had made my
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  Speaker 12: mind up prior too that if Angus was unsuccessful that
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  Speaker 12: I would allow on you that Ted wanted to run
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  Speaker 12: for the deputy leadership that I wouldn't contest that and
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  Speaker 12: withdraw from that point onward.
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  Speaker 2: You think your ticket with Angus Taylor and your sort failed.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, look, there's many probably reasons why it failed. I
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  Speaker 12: guess I can reflect on that, or I can look
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  Speaker 12: at the fact that we've got to move forward as
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  Speaker 12: a party, as a coalition in fact, and there's a
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  Speaker 12: lot of work that needs to be it needs to
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  Speaker 12: occur to rebuild. And you know, I absolutely respect the
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  Speaker 12: outcome of what the party room decided, and of course
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  Speaker 12: my concern is the state of the country under three
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  Speaker 12: more years of labor, and I think that's where we
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  Speaker 12: can all say we all are on a unity ticket
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  Speaker 12: with that.
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  Speaker 2: Was this a contest between the Conservatives and the moderates
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  Speaker 2: in the party room?
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  Speaker 1: Was it that clear cut?
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  Speaker 12: Look, there was probably an element of that. I think
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  Speaker 12: there was different approaches to how we would take things
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  Speaker 12: depending on what the leadership was going to be. And
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  Speaker 12: I think it's going to now provide an opportunity for
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  Speaker 12: row bust debate.
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  Speaker 1: In the party room, which probably we.
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  Speaker 12: Didn't have so much of before under Peter. So going forward,
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  Speaker 12: that provides that opportunity. I know that there's probably many
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  Speaker 12: on you know, throughout the party room that are prepared
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  Speaker 12: to have good, robust debate within our party room.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly said some generous things about you and her press conference.
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  Speaker 2: What's your view of her leadership and are you prepared
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  Speaker 2: to serve in her ministry shadow ministry.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, I mean, you know, Susan Lee welcomed me
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  Speaker 12: into the party room. She's got a huge job ahead
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  Speaker 12: of her. Obviously, you know, I don't envy that it
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  Speaker 12: is going to be a huge job to build from there,
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  Speaker 12: and you know I will, I will look at what
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  Speaker 12: the opportunity is, what opportunities come or don't come. But
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  Speaker 12: ultimately it's about ensuring that we hold labor to account
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  Speaker 12: in the next three years. You know, for me, I've
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  Speaker 12: always fought for particularly some of the most marginalized out
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  Speaker 12: of site, out of mind. If we look at the election,
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  Speaker 12: I don't think there's such a huge divide now between
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  Speaker 12: remote communities and particularly our major cities. And you can
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  Speaker 12: only you can see that from what we just saw
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  Speaker 12: with the Abbey Chatfields of the world, who are completely
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  Speaker 12: and utterly removed. It's important that we ensure that I
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  Speaker 12: ensure that their lives are a front and center.
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  Speaker 2: Well, would you want to be Shadow Minister for Indigenous
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  Speaker 2: Australians or given the fact that you had a quasi
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  Speaker 2: economic role in looking for government efficiency, would you be
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  Speaker 2: looking to go to a more mainstream portfolio, an economic portfolio.
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  Speaker 1: What's your aspiration?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I mean, you know, those things are all
• 18:36
  Speaker 12: to be considered. I guess you know, I'm not sort
• 18:40
  Speaker 12: of focused on any particular way forward, other than to
• 18:44
  Speaker 12: say that it is absolutely about rebuilding the party, fighting
• 18:49
  Speaker 12: together against the enemy, which we know is labor and
• 18:52
  Speaker 12: the left, and also working with our National Party colleagues
• 18:56
  Speaker 12: most certainly.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Now Angus Taylor, should he stay on the front bench
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and would you be encouraging him to stick around as
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Shadow treasurer if Ted O'Brien doesn't want that job.
• 19:06
  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I think Angus has got a lot to offer. Absolutely,
• 19:12
  Speaker 12: I would expect that he would be on the front bench.
• 19:14
  Speaker 12: Definitely offer plenty to give. You know, He's got a
• 19:19
  Speaker 12: lot of wealth of experience and knowledge and I would
• 19:22
  Speaker 12: hate to see him, you know, relegated to the back bench.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Will climate policy and net zero and nuclear energy be
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: a flashpoint at the first Coalition policy forum when you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: revise your policies both the Liberal Party and the Nationals.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: What do you think you can stick with something roughly
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: equated to to what you took to the election.
• 19:42
  Speaker 12: Look, I think definitely. I think they're going to be
• 19:44
  Speaker 12: there's going to be some robust debate around energy, around nuclear.
• 19:47
  Speaker 12: I think there are those of us who are absolutely
• 19:49
  Speaker 12: of the view that we need to stick to nuclear.
• 19:52
  Speaker 12: It's the cleanest, greenest energy.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That we have.
• 19:55
  Speaker 12: Obviously we're now being put many years behind that, but
• 19:59
  Speaker 12: we need to be smart in terms of our energy
• 20:01
  Speaker 12: as well.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Does that mean sticking to net zero because of the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: whole basis for going nuclear is to get to net zero.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 12: Look, I think we need to have all of those
• 20:09
  Speaker 12: conversations on the table as part of a party room conversation.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Will the party unify now behind Susan Lee?
• 20:16
  Speaker 12: Well, I guess that is the hope. I mean, ultimately,
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: like I said, you know, I'll be supporting you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: the leadership obviously, because that's what we have to do
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: if we want to do a good job in opposition.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Do you regret leaving the Nationals party room?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Perhaps you would be the deputy leader of the Nationals
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: now if you'd stuck.
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: Around I don't regret that at all. I wanted to
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: become a Liberal Party member when I was very first elected,
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: and there were blocks in the way. At that point,
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: I was new to the game. But I absolutely feel
• 20:47
  Speaker 12: like I am in my home.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Will you stay in the Senate? Is that your home?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Or will you look for opportunities to get to the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: lower House at some stage?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: Look, you know the Senate is where the biggest battles
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: are going to be bought right now, and I'm geared
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: up for those battles and to support the Coalition from
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: the Senate absolutely.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Never switching to the lower House.
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: Look, the Senate is where I'm focused.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Well, David Little Pratt was talking about the Nationals not
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: being able to give you the sort of the ambitions,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: settle the ambitions that you might have. I mean, but
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: you can get to the top of the Nationals and
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: be Deputy prime Minister. The only job higher than that
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: is Prime Minister. And to be Prime Minister, of course
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you need to go to the lower House.
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: Well, there is that, you know, and I know there's
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: a lot of Australians who'd love to see that. But
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: right now, as I said, you know, my focus is
• 21:36
  Speaker 12: the Senate.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Great stuff you, Cinda. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: What's been a difficult and monumental day. Thank you. There
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you go, Senator.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Just sent to Namba jimper Price, who was going to
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: put up a hand up to be the deputy leader
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party today in the first meeting of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party party room. But as you heard, she
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: withdrew when Angus Taylor. She withdrew her nomination when Angus
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Taylor failed to win the leadership. Let's go to Tim
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Blair now to see what he's been making of all
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the comings and goings in politics.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Tim, great to catch up with you again. I loved
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: your column today.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: You found enough silliness in every party, in any corner
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: of the political landscape.
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it isn't difficult, and I think that's the As
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: the illustration of the column showed, it's as though that
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: your Mighty himself was so annoyed by a very boring
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: election campaign that he's delivered unto us, an incredibly cootic,
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: chaotic and entertaining and popcorn worthy post election. It's just
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: nothing but chaos. It's beautiful.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I loved your line, particularly about labor people complaining about
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the you know, the factional bobber.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Boys or whatever.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: You remember the term you used, but you said, that's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that's a term they love so much they probably use
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: it as their as their password for their Guardian subscription.
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: They It's as though, Yeah, like people who are acting
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: all shocked about a factional blow up in the labor
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: party really really a bit like expressing a surprise at
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: a fight in a rugby league game or some sort
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: of biffo in a hockey match. It's a factional brawl
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: is always going to break out. The interesting thing is how,
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: at least in that little part of our camera world
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: of dispute, the interesting thing will be how long it
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: rolls on. You get the impression. I think that certainly
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: with ed Husick that he doesn't like to have a
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: lot of mates. There's not a lot of support for him,
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: So maybe that particular dispute won't go on too long.
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: Not sure how it's going to go with the former
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: Attorney general, maybe that'll have some more echoes. But again,
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: you know he's pushing seventy years old. Maybe it was
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: type him as well, So maybe this won't be the
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: big labor blow up that some people are calling it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think well, I think dreyfusill retire, and I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: think Ed Hughesic's probably done himself a bit of damage
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: by complaining so publicly. I want to get to border issues,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and we've kept an eye on the UK, where of
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: course they've tried to implement some sort of border security,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and of course the Conservatives are hold down whenever they
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: try and do that. Well, now labor's empower and Kistarma
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: suddenly realizes that borders are actually quite important.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: So when you have an immigration system that seems almost
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: designed to permit abuse, you're actually contributing to the forces
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: that are slowly pulling our country apart. So, yes, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: believe in this. I believe we need to reduce immigration significantly.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It's astounding tim that you watch these people for decade
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: after decade that the leftists will demonize anyone who talks
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: about these issues, and then when they get into the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: government they actually are confronted by reality and realize, oh, yes,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it's not xenophobia, it's not racism.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: It's just called managing your sovereignty.
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: There's going to be a more powerful phrase than closing
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: the door after the horse has bouldered, because this is
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: this is closing a gate and then put up a barrier,
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: and then building a moat, and then cutting off that
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: edge of the continent after the horse has bolted. This
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: is coming four or five decades after Britain. You know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: all very well meaning in the initial phases, But this is,
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: this is several decades, probably even more than four or
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: forty or fifty years ago, that Britain started down this
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: path of blind multiculturalism with no real consideration or or
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: thought given to the deep issues beyond that, especially especially
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: given the rate of arrivals and the assimilation of those arrivals.
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: And this is what Stars now addressing. He actually sounds
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: in that in that SoundBite, he sounds as though he's
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: opposing himself. You know that this is this is how
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: Britain's got now. They're at war with their own thoughts
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: and beliefs and previous policies. It's it's very confounding. It
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: must be terrible to be in Britain to try to
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: find a path all of this.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And you're so right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's left trying to undo decades worth of mismanagement.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It t iimpossile. Thanks for joining us. Tim will catch
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it later in the week. Tim Blair there, you can
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: read his stuff in the Daily Telegraph. We're going to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: get to a break on the other side. I'm going
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: to head out to the outback, so we'll catch up
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: with a bloke who gives us a birdseye perspective of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: this spectacular.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Flooding of Lake Air in the heart of the continent.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: We talked last night about the circle of life playing
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: out in the heart of this great continent.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Lake Air is filling.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: With water, floodwaters they're flowing in from thousands of kilometers away,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of course, across western Coeensland. This video was captured by
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: my next guest, Phil van Wigan. He's Arid Airs chief pilot.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I caught up with him earlier and asked him if
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of excitement in his outback town of Marie.
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Mate, there's a lot of interest in it at
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: the moment.
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: The phones are running pretty hot and the emails are
• 26:53
  Speaker 14: coming in thick and fast, so yeah, a lot of
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: interesting and it's a pretty unique opportunity and pretty amazing
• 26:58
  Speaker 14: event to witness.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And you're flying people out there just to have a look,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: or do you have scientists and others who are keen
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: to get into the area.
• 27:09
  Speaker 14: Obviously, we get a lot of tourists coming up just
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: for a look, like that's the main part of the business,
• 27:13
  Speaker 14: I suppose. But yeah, we're getting a few other people
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: just interested in it, and yeah for different aspects coming up.
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: They have a look for different things, but mostly tourism
• 27:22
  Speaker 14: and photography is what we're doing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It's quite extraordinary.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So you actually see the water flooding out over you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you see the front of the water as it floods
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: down south into the basin, and there's a long way
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to go yet, isn't there before you get even close
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to fall.
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: It's a long way to go.
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: The water today is sort of just getting towards that
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: southern end of the lake to start filling up the
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: bottom end Belt Bay. But there's a lot of water
• 27:47
  Speaker 14: right back up, you know, up back as far as
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: birds All. The Cooper Creek hasn't even gotti yet. It's
• 27:51
  Speaker 14: got a lot of water to come. So yeah, it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: going to run for a few months yet, and.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Then it will be around for a long while.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: You'll be looking forward to being very busy flying tourists
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and others around the area.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: For months, maybe even a couple of years out of this.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it could be. That's right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: Like the water, I think if you go sort of
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: right back to even seventy four, they end up with
• 28:10
  Speaker 14: water for two or three years. This one, you'd expect
• 28:13
  Speaker 14: is going to stick around for a wile, especially if
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: we get a little bit more rain again even next year,
• 28:18
  Speaker 14: because the system will have quite a lot of water,
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: and so I guess it's probably going to keep water
• 28:22
  Speaker 14: in there for a while.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, now it's going to be big.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Is there any sign already of wildlife coming in or birds?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Are pelicans or even seagulls? Have they cottoned onto this
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and started to move in land?
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: Yeah, the birds are definitely on it. They're a bit
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: sharper than the rest of us. They're moving in already.
• 28:40
  Speaker 14: So there was this bit of a surge of birds
• 28:43
  Speaker 14: right at the start of the Pelicans they tend to
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: and other birds they tend to come down with that
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: surge of water As it's coming into the lake. There's
• 28:50
  Speaker 14: a lot of fish and stuff pushing to the front
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: of that water, so they're obviously in there getting the feed.
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: Probably today when I was up there, not quite as
• 28:58
  Speaker 14: many around at the moment. But I've just up in
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: the river systems. But they're certainly all starting to migrate
• 29:03
  Speaker 14: to this area at the moment. There'll be a huge
• 29:06
  Speaker 14: amount of wildlife.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I just want to show a clip from the last
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: really big flood in the area about sixteen years ago,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: to give people an idea of what we're heading for
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: in coming months. This is from two thousand and nine.
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: Had the early explorers ventured out to Central Australia in
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: a season like this, they would have been forgiven for
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: believing that they truly had discovered Australia's inland sea. Even
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: seagulls are found here nesting on islands in the middle
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: of Lake Air. It's an astonishing transformation. This is what
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: the lake normally looks like, a glistening white soul, one
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: hundred and forty kilometers long and eighty eight kilometers wide.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Wow, it's a hell of a transformation. Fill you're getting.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: A bird's eye view of it. It must be amazing
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to watch. You had a bit of a flood a
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: few years back of it. Have you seen anything like
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: this before? Do you know exactly what you're going to
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: be looking at in coming months?
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: Look, I don't think anyone knows exactly what's you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: we know there's with the Diamond Tein, there's a lot
• 30:25
  Speaker 14: of water going to come in, so that's you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: that'll be as big as twenty ten, twenty eleven just
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: the Diamond Teina alone.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: So we've got an idea there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: But then with the Cooper Creek coming in on top
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: of it as well, Yeah, I guess that's going to
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: mount up. It'll be anyone who guess as to how
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: much we end up in the lake. We just know
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: it's going to be a lot of water and just
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: to flow alone coming down what we call the Warbden Groove.
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: Flowing into the lake at the moment, like.
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: It's it's probably a thirty second flight just across that
• 30:52
  Speaker 14: flow of water at the moment. Just it's so wide already,
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: so you know, probably forty five seconds to get across it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: It is so isolated though. I'd love to get up
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: there and see it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I hope maybe I will, But just to give people
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a bit of an idea plug your business as well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: they've got to get to Marie first.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: How do people get to mari I mean it would
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: be what a twelve or more hour drive from Adelaide.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: If you're going to Murray, no.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: Makee a bit less.
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: And that's about seven hours from Adelaide, so we're four
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: hours north of Portagusta. But we're bitchamen all the way
• 31:22
  Speaker 14: to the front door of Murray's at the end of
• 31:24
  Speaker 14: the bitchamen.
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: So we're an easy strike. You can get here in
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: any vehicle and.
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah, give us a buzz and we'll get you up
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: in there and go and have a look at this
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: bloody this amazing.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Event, perfect stuff.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Seven or eight hours up the road from Adelaide and
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: then go out and have a look and pop into
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the Flinders on.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: The way back. I'm envy us of you, Phil.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: It looks fantastic and thanks so much for sharing your
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: experience with us.
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: All good, thanks Chris.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to get out there. I know
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: many of you will too. Many of you will be
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: hitting out there. It's going to be a story that
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: keeps unfolding over many money months to come, and it's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: going to be spectacular. So will check in and check
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: in on every night now and then I got to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: take a break now though after that we'll catch up
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: with the panel. We'll talk about what's happening with the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party and the Labor Party with Susie o brian
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: and Stephen Senate Tempaign, There's been a fair bit happening
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: in politics today. Hopefully someone will get back to running
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the country soon. Let's bring in Causey O'Brien from The
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Herald Son and Steven Senna Tiempo from two Double C
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: in camera. Good to talk to you both had all
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the election carry on for so long, Susie. Now there's
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the swearing in for the government today and the Lives
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: choosing their leader. So as soon as it'll all be
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: over and get back to sort of getting some stuff done.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But what's your take?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: First up on Susan Lee is becoming the first opposition
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: leader from the Liberal side as a woman.
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: Well, you know, the men market up and the women
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: are bought in to clean up the mess.
• 32:50
  Speaker 16: You know. That's what she was accused.
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: Of being on the glass cliff because only way is down.
• 32:56
  Speaker 15: But look, I mean they needed to do something about
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: their voting, their patterns with women and electing a woman.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Who's a good start.
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: It's not everything, but it's a good start, and certainly
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: under Susan Lee we will see a move to the
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: sensible center, which is what she calls it. The party
• 33:11
  Speaker 15: entirely united behind her. There was a very divided vote.
• 33:14
  Speaker 15: She didn't overwhelmingly win it, but she won it and
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: for now that will be enough.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take your point about ending up in
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the job when it's a difficult time. We've seen that
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: before with Carmen Lawrence and Joan Kerner and others. But Stephen,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the other point here is the only time Labour's out
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: of female leader federally is when Julias sort of knifed
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Kevin in the back in government. They yet to actually
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: elect a woman as leader when they've had the chance
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to do so in opposition.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 17: Look and look, I don't want to don't prepend to
• 33:47
  Speaker 17: speak for all women, but I'm not convinced that female
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: voters think that any woman will do. And unfortunately that's
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: where we seem to end up in Australian politics. I mean,
• 33:57
  Speaker 17: Susan Lee's got to take her part of responsibility for
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: the Apps capitulation the Liberal Party carried out in the
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: election campaign as well. I think this is you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: I think Angus Taylor would have been the least worst
• 34:09
  Speaker 17: option in this case because Obviously he's got to take
• 34:11
  Speaker 17: his responsibility for his part too. But the victory here
• 34:14
  Speaker 17: is not for women, it's not for the Liberal Party.
• 34:17
  Speaker 17: It's for the factional bosses in the New South Wales
• 34:19
  Speaker 17: division of the Liberal Party.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Who have hand picked their leader.
• 34:21
  Speaker 17: Now and some of the dirty deals that were done
• 34:24
  Speaker 17: behind the scenes to get Susan Lee across the line
• 34:26
  Speaker 17: are going to really come back to bite them in
• 34:28
  Speaker 17: the backside.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Over the next couple of years. We will see.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I suppose climate and energy policy might be the first
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: test there.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: But I thought Susan.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Lee did very well in the press conference today. She
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: was very confident to her way around a number of
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: tricky issues.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: He's just a little bit of what she had to say.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I am humbled, I am honored, and I am up
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: for the job every day. We will stand up for
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: our values to anyone anywhere, and we'll do it in
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: the public debate and we'll do it in the Parliament.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: There's true, Suzie, that she hasn't been a powerful political force.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: She's been deputy leader, she hasn't really led any arguments
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: on any particular issues. But then again she has been
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: deputy leader and a shadow minister she's got the leadership.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Now there is an opportunity, isn't there to You've just
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: got to seize the moment and run with it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: You never know what she could do.
• 35:22
  Speaker 15: And it was interesting too when she was asked about
• 35:24
  Speaker 15: nuclear and she was asked about climb and she did
• 35:26
  Speaker 15: sort of sidestep and she said, you know, she's not
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: going to make the captain speak and say what should
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: happen as of now, unlike Angus Taylor. So I think
• 35:33
  Speaker 15: we will see someone who will in time certainly unite
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: the party, be a much more moderate voice, be a
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: lot more consultative, and look, the only way is up
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: for the Liberals and they desperately need to get back
• 35:46
  Speaker 15: up there.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it's horrible when there's an embarrassing image to go
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: with a political defeat, and there are a lot of
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: nasty people showing this footage around the place today, Stephen
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of Angus Taylor.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: In his hoss.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And just terrible of my producer to put that in
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the rundown. But he tried to open the wrong door,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: He tried to pull the pull the wrong leaver here
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: when it came to the leadership. Do you think that
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: he will unite now behind Susan Lee or is this
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: going to be troubled down the trail?
• 36:24
  Speaker 17: Look, I don't know. Look, I think this is going
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: to be a very divided party room. But what the
• 36:28
  Speaker 17: what the coverage fails to tell you is he was
• 36:30
  Speaker 17: about one of about six or seven that tried the
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: wrong door, because it's clearly the normal.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Door that they go in. So you know, I mean's
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: let's call it for what it is.
• 36:37
  Speaker 17: But I want to go back to what Susan Lee
• 36:39
  Speaker 17: said there. She said we'll stand up for our values.
• 36:42
  Speaker 17: What are the Liberal Party's values?
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 36:44
  Speaker 17: I mean, you know that was the problem that that
• 36:46
  Speaker 17: nobody knows what the Liberal Party stands for anymore. So
• 36:49
  Speaker 17: it's all well and good to say you're going to
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: stand up for values, but then sidestep all of those
• 36:53
  Speaker 17: values when you're asked about them. So look, I have
• 36:55
  Speaker 17: no hope that this is going to be a good
• 36:57
  Speaker 17: move for the Liberal Party.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be incredibly fted.
• 37:01
  Speaker 17: As I said, this is the factional bosses in New
• 37:04
  Speaker 17: South Wales installing their pick. And this is not about
• 37:06
  Speaker 17: gender or male, female or otherwise. This is about the
• 37:09
  Speaker 17: factional bosses picking their person for the leadership. So that
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: they can dole out jobs to their underlings. So what
• 37:15
  Speaker 17: it means is the Liberal Party has learned nothing from this.
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: We all say, you know, they've got to listen to
• 37:19
  Speaker 17: the voter, but what we really mean is they should
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: listen to us, the commentators, who aren't listening to the
• 37:23
  Speaker 17: voters ourselves. So let's be fair think about what's happened here.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope they're not listening to the factional power brokers,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the Photius Klan. I do want to point out something
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: that Chris Bowen tweeted today about Ted O'Brien who's become
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the deputy Liberal leader, and Chris Bowen said that O'Brien
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: is the author of the coalition spectacular failure of a
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: six hundred billion dollar nuclear policy.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: They don't seem to be listening to Australians.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Susie this blog has just been sworn in again as
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: minister and he's still pumping out absolute lies about the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: nuclear option. It doesn't give us much hope for future.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Does it.
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: Well, you know, who knows what the Liberals are going
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: to do. I mean that there was no overwhelming endorsement
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: of that policy from Susan Lee today, but what's interesting
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: is that people do seem to be in agreement that
• 38:15
  Speaker 15: the Liberal Party did not properly enunciate their plan for
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: nuclear during the election campaign. In fact, they seem to
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: be running a mile from it. So if they are
• 38:23
  Speaker 15: going to stick with it then, and no doubt they
• 38:27
  Speaker 15: need to, then they need to properly enunciate what it's
• 38:30
  Speaker 15: going to look like, how it's going to help, how
• 38:32
  Speaker 15: it's going to impact on energy prices, what it's going
• 38:35
  Speaker 15: to mean, like really flesh this out. It's not something
• 38:38
  Speaker 15: they can just drop in and expect people to be
• 38:41
  Speaker 15: on board for something that big, that's like a nation
• 38:44
  Speaker 15: building generational idea.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But it's not just about politics.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: It's about reality and policy, and they and the media
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: need to do more about pointing out Stephen that what
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: we're doing at the moment is a disaster. There is
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: no way to knowwn that our current electricity grid, we'll
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: see lower prices, all get us to net zero, all
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: give us the power we need.
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: And I think three years from now that'll become even
• 39:07
  Speaker 17: more evident than it is today. So I mean, maybe
• 39:10
  Speaker 17: that's the best thing that has happened to the coalition
• 39:12
  Speaker 17: here is that Chris Bowen has been reappointed as the
• 39:14
  Speaker 17: Energy Minister. They're going to keep pushing this six hundred
• 39:16
  Speaker 17: billion dollar line. But I think the best thing the
• 39:19
  Speaker 17: coalition could do is actually pivot here and change their
• 39:22
  Speaker 17: nuclear policy to simply lifting the moratorium and saying, okay, well,
• 39:25
  Speaker 17: if you don't want the people to own nuclear nuclear production,
• 39:29
  Speaker 17: well then let's open it up to industry and then
• 39:32
  Speaker 17: further down the track, if that works, we'll then go
• 39:34
  Speaker 17: back and revisit the idea of publicly owned nuclear generation,
• 39:37
  Speaker 17: which I know a lot of people are talking about
• 39:39
  Speaker 17: this being illiberal and anti conservative.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: It's not me. That's the reality of it that to
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: governments can own.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Stuff exactly, but better if it's privately funded and invested in.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Stephen and Susie.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Will catch you next week.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Got to get to a break on the other side
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: of this break and to catch up with Kristen Tate.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Amazing time to talk about what's happening in American politics,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of course, because President Donald Trump has just arrived in
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the Middle East, and that's on the back of that
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: last remaining American Israeli hostage being released. I'll cross to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Christen Tate in the US in just a moment. But
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: first an update on the Middle East. Now, many of
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: you have been watching for a long while. Well know
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that I put this badge showing the Israeli and Australian
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: flags on my lapel on the six month anniversary of
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the October the Seventh atrocity. Is there in memory of
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: the hostages. So six months in I put that badge on.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I said I'd leave it on until all the hostages
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: are freed.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: That's more than a year ago.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Now the hostages who survive and who remain in captivity
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: in the hands of Hummas have been there for more
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: than nineteen months and Hummus, though overnight, has released the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: last surviving Israeli American hostage, I Dan Alexander. This is
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: ahead of President Donald Trump's one week visit to the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Middle East.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Have a look at Dan reuniting.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: With his family after spending five hundred and eighty four
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: days in captivity.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Ah ah.
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a dark.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Wow. He said.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: The cruelty of Hummas is just unimaginable, the trauma there,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: but the relief obviously brilliant to share.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Let's cross now to Christen tight it joins us from Boston.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump won't be going to Israel as files Rena.
• 42:08
  Speaker 16: Yes, however, he's been in close contact with Nawhu. And
• 42:11
  Speaker 16: this is just such fantastic news about the hostage Dan Alexander.
• 42:16
  Speaker 16: This hostage spent nearly six hundred days, five hundred and
• 42:20
  Speaker 16: eighty days in captivity in the Gaza Strip.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, think of it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 16: This is a twenty one year old, a young person.
• 42:27
  Speaker 16: This is dramatic. But the fact that he was released
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: and reunited with his family is a wonderful moment for
• 42:33
  Speaker 16: the world, for America and for Israel. And this happened
• 42:38
  Speaker 16: because of the pressure being applied both by the Israeli
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: military but also by Donald Trump, Net and y'aw who
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: called that combination a winning formula. I know Steve Whitcoff,
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: the US Special and Envoy to the Middle East, has
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: been working hard to make this happen, and so as
• 42:54
  Speaker 16: President Trump, and of course Net and Yahoo.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: So this is just wonderful news. He is a little
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: bit of what Donald Trump had to say about it.
• 43:02
  Speaker 18: So it's twenty so they have twenty live hostages there.
• 43:05
  Speaker 18: The rest are dead bodies. We hope that We're going
• 43:08
  Speaker 18: to have other hostages released too.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what we want, all of the live hostage release.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: He's suggesting more will come.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not totally convinced that Donald Trump won't pop into Israel.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe they don't want to flag it. Maybe there could
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: be a surprise visit. We will see. That would be
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: hard to arrange given who he is, but we will see.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: The visit, no doubt.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: To the Middle East is very very important, especially when
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: you talk about global economic issues. Kristin and the great
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: news of this tariff pause, the paws in the tariff
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: war between the US and China.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: And US stocks have surged today in the US after
• 43:51
  Speaker 16: that announcement was made. And you know, this kind of
• 43:54
  Speaker 16: goes to what we have been guessing about for the
• 43:58
  Speaker 16: last month or so, which is that perhaps these tariffs
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: are in fact short term tools rather than a long
• 44:06
  Speaker 16: term strategy. Another interesting point is that the Treasury Secretary,
• 44:11
  Speaker 16: Scott Bessont said that the US and China had put
• 44:14
  Speaker 16: in place some other sort of mechanism to make sure
• 44:17
  Speaker 16: that the tariffs don't raise to that high level. Again,
• 44:20
  Speaker 16: unclear what that mechanism is, but that does signal that
• 44:23
  Speaker 16: the worst of the tariffs are behind us. And again
• 44:27
  Speaker 16: this was a short term tool, although of course there
• 44:29
  Speaker 16: are still some tariffs in place.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: There are and day, let's have a look again at
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: what the president had to sign.
• 44:36
  Speaker 18: The talks in Geneva were very friendly. The relationship is
• 44:39
  Speaker 18: very good. We're not looking to hurt China. China is
• 44:42
  Speaker 18: being hurt very badly. They were closing up factories, they
• 44:46
  Speaker 18: were having a lot of unrest, and they were very
• 44:49
  Speaker 18: happy to be able to do something with us. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 18: the relationship is very very good. I'll speak to President
• 44:56
  Speaker 18: she may be at the end.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Of the week. Yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: It to underline your point there, Christen, and that is
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that this suggests that what Donald Trump's play is is
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: for free trade.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: He doesn't believe in tariffs for tariff's sake.
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: This is what we're all.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Hoping, or you and I was certainly hoping that it's
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: really a push to get rid of trade barriers around
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Some say, no, no, Trump really wants tariffs him for
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the long term.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: This suggests not and he and China direct talks there
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: with their officials looking at.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Getting rid of those trade barriers. It's encouraging, Yes.
• 45:28
  Speaker 16: Scott Bessent was actually in Geneva over the weekend speaking
• 45:31
  Speaker 16: with Chinese counterparts. I mean, nobody thought that the talks
• 45:34
  Speaker 16: would be this consequential and significant, but here you have it.
• 45:38
  Speaker 16: And you know, I don't think Trump wants the economy
• 45:42
  Speaker 16: to spiral here in the US into a recession. So
• 45:45
  Speaker 16: d escalation has sort of staved off that possibility of
• 45:50
  Speaker 16: a recession or very high inflation, two things Trump absolutely
• 45:55
  Speaker 16: does not want.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Now, one interesting sidelights, it's the president trip to the
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Middle East. Is he's going to accept an airplane, well,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the defense force the American government is accepting applying from
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Qatar because there's a bit of a hold up in
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: replacing Air Force one. But listen to the president be
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: writing a journalist for raising this as some sort of
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: direct gift to Donald Trump.
• 46:19
  Speaker 16: Mister president, what do you say, people who knew that
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: luxury jet as a personal gift to.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: You, why not leave it behind?
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: ABC? Fake news?
• 46:26
  Speaker 16: Right?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Why not only ABC?
• 46:28
  Speaker 18: Well a few of you would, let me tell you,
• 46:31
  Speaker 18: you should be embarrassed asking that question.
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: They're giving us a free jet.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I could say, no, no, no, don't give us.
• 46:38
  Speaker 18: I want to pay you a billion or four hundred
• 46:41
  Speaker 18: million or whatever it is, or I could say thank
• 46:44
  Speaker 18: you very much.
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: Not a gift to me. It's a gift to the
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: Department of Defense.
• 46:49
  Speaker 18: And you should know better because you've been embarrassed enough,
• 46:51
  Speaker 18: and so has your network. Your network is a disaster.
• 46:54
  Speaker 18: ABC is a disaster.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: A gift to the US Tristan, it's an unusual one.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: We would be willing to accept a nuclear pad submarine.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: By the way, if Donald Trump wants to give something
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: to Australian.
• 47:07
  Speaker 16: I mean, look, Chris, you know I love Donald Trump.
• 47:09
  Speaker 16: I literally have an oil painting of Donald Trump in
• 47:12
  Speaker 16: my study. But I need to be honest here. We
• 47:14
  Speaker 16: should not be accepting a four hundred million dollar gift
• 47:18
  Speaker 16: from a terror state. Qatar infiltrates American universities and spreads
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: their anti American, anti Jewish propaganda. They fund terrorist groups
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: and front groups. And Guitar is not giving President Trump
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: this four hundred million dollar gift to just be nice.
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: They will throw money at anyone if its they it
• 47:38
  Speaker 16: will benefit them, Democrat or Republican. They gave him one
• 47:41
  Speaker 16: million dollar gift to the Bill Clinton Foundation when Hillary
• 47:44
  Speaker 16: Clinton was Secretary of State and at the time by
• 47:47
  Speaker 16: the way Trump criticized them for it, saying they shouldn't
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: accept it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: So, like you know, I'm not a big fan of this,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: like the like the commander in chief, I know the
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: out of a deal and I want something, no idea.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Christian to you as ever, Christien Tate,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: they're live in the US.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Before we go tonight, I want to share some of
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: your feedback on that wonderful chat we had last night
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: with Johannis Leek and Alex Ritchen and that portrait that
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: was entered unsuccessfully for the Archibald Prize. Ian says, why
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: are we not surprised? Thank you Johannas and Alex David
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: says it's not a matter of how skilled you are
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: as an artist. The subject must be a left wing figure,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: which makes the prize meaningless.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Another viewer says, politics in a bloody painting competition unbelievable.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yep, unbelievable, but you better believe it.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: And finally, Ed says, I gave up on the art
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: gallery and my subscription years ago.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Too much rubbish on display and self conglagerates, congratulatory backslapping.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Well said, yeah, we love the painting. I know you
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: did too. Thanks for watching. I'll be back tomorrow night
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: at five o'clock. Here's Peter Quilin