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Credlin | 29 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandlin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on Kredline. Barnaby Joyce slammed the
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Speaker 2: tone deaf comments at a rally over the weekend. Now
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Speaker 2: he's apologized, but the PM says he should resign. But
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Speaker 2: the PM's a hypocrite here when it comes to heated language.
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Speaker 2: I'll show you tonight. Speaking of that weekend rally was
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Speaker 2: all about renewables as regional communities pushed back against Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen's huge wind farm rollout. We'll speak with one of
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Speaker 2: the organizers. Has thousands turned out in protest on the
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Speaker 2: south coast of New South Wales. Plus it might not
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Speaker 2: be front page news, but concern is mounting, particularly in
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Speaker 2: the country that essential pallative care drugs are being quietly
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Speaker 2: cut from the PBS. It's got so bad that one
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Speaker 2: bishop has written to the Health Fitnesster demanding answers. Now
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Speaker 2: i'll speak with that Bishop. Tim Harris a little later
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Speaker 2: and lots to get through with the PM's cabinet reshuffle.
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs effectively gutted. I'll talk to Andrew Hasty concerns
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Speaker 2: too over Tony Burke's record and immigration, and a long
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Speaker 2: overdue demotion of both Minister Andrew Giles and Clara O'Neill.
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Speaker 3: This reshuffle has been an admission of failure on behalf
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Speaker 3: of the Albanezi government, particularly in those areas of immigration
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Speaker 3: and housing.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to stay with that reshuffle. I'll
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Speaker 2: explain why it matters, because it's just another sign that
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Speaker 2: Labour's setting up for an early election. Now I am
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Speaker 2: not saying they will go early. That decision won't yet
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Speaker 2: have been made. And anyone who says they know what's happening,
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Speaker 2: well they don't know anything about politics or elections.
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Speaker 4: But what the.
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Speaker 2: Reshuffle says to me is the Prime Minister is clearly
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Speaker 2: wanting all options on the table to go before the
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Speaker 2: economy gets worse, and that's what this reshuffle will give him.
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Speaker 2: It's an attempt at a brand refresh, a chance to
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Speaker 2: clear out the ministers who were demonstrably failing, like Andrew
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Speaker 2: Giles and Clara O'Neill, and to book more firepower in
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Speaker 2: place in key portfolios like immigration, which will be one
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Speaker 2: of the big battlegrounds at the next election. Hence, Charles
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Speaker 2: and O'Neill are out to try and blunt the opposition's
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Speaker 2: attack on border protection and all those failures in immigration detention.
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Speaker 2: It's why too they've put Tony Burke in to try
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Speaker 2: and mop up the mess and return fire on the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: But the move of Burke out of Industrial Relations and
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Speaker 2: into Immigration is not just about Charles and O'Neill. It's
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Speaker 2: also about preempting the attack against Burke over CFMU and
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Speaker 2: Burke's capitulation to union demands that the building Watched be
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Speaker 2: abolished in both portfolios now Immigration and IR. The response
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Speaker 2: to criticism from Peter Darton will be that was then,
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Speaker 2: this is now and all the usual spin outlining all
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Speaker 2: the moves the new ministers are making to turn things around.
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Speaker 2: For close to a year, Labour's polling has been in
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Speaker 2: free fall pretty much since the Prime Minister's diabolical result
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Speaker 2: on the Voice. Labour's primary vote is languished in the
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Speaker 2: low thirties and the Prime Minister's own personal ratings have
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Speaker 2: dived into negative territory. Today, the trend has been against
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Speaker 2: a Labor majority and settled into a position at best
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Speaker 2: that looks like there'll be a minority government outcome, so
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Speaker 2: Labour sharing power with either the Greens or what I
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Speaker 2: regard as the well heeled sister party, the Teals. In
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Speaker 2: recent weeks it's even got worse for labor with a
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Speaker 2: last few poles showing the opposition in front, including today's
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Speaker 2: Red Bridge pole in the Daily Telegraph. It's got the
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Speaker 2: coalition leading on two party preferred fifty one point five
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Speaker 2: percent to Labour's forty eight point five percent. So the
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Speaker 2: prospect for the Prime Minister is not just minority governors
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Speaker 2: with the support of the Greens all the Teals, but
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Speaker 2: actual defeat. The commentariats still regard a one term government
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Speaker 2: as unthinkable, which is good for Peter Dutton because that
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Speaker 2: makes him the underdog. But the biggest reason for the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister to go early is to avoid opinions hardening
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Speaker 2: against his government, which they're likely to do given that
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Speaker 2: the government's got no answer to cost of living other
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Speaker 2: than more handouts, which is robbing Peter to pay Paul,
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Speaker 2: and voters tend to see through that anyway. The reshuffle
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Speaker 2: is significant for another reason too, not so much the
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Speaker 2: personnel changes here, which are about replacing some inadequate ministers
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Speaker 2: with other inadequate ministers. But what I was looking at
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Speaker 2: closely was the administry of changes which reflect Labour's leftist
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Speaker 2: instincts and are unlikely to improve the quality of our government.
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Speaker 2: The whole point of creating our Home Affairs Ministry, like
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Speaker 2: the American Department of Homeland Security and the British Home
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Speaker 2: Office as well, was to ensure that domestic security issues
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Speaker 2: didn't fall between the administrative cracks. Hence, Immigration, Border Force,
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Speaker 2: the Australian Federal Police and ASIO were all under the
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Speaker 2: one ministerial and bureaucratic roof. Ultimately, the same ministers and
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Speaker 2: same officials were responsible for all of it. Hence the
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Speaker 2: usual blame gabe was limited, and so you ended up
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Speaker 2: with someone directly responsible with things went wrong. And that's
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Speaker 2: essential for good government, that someone is accountable for failure. Now,
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Speaker 2: the fact this doesn't happen enough in modern politics. It's
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Speaker 2: part of the problem we have at present. Get all
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Speaker 2: that accountability or that's now gone with these changes from yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Many that under this Prime minister we're back to the
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Speaker 2: old Labor way where no one's ever to blame for
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Speaker 2: anything except the former government. Not a single minister in
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Speaker 2: this reshuffle has been booted to the backbench because this
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Speaker 2: prime Minister's unwilling to make any internal enemies that sacking
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Speaker 2: someone creates. In any event, it's not even the prime
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Speaker 2: Minister in Labor who makes the cause. The factional warlords will.
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Speaker 2: They make the picks. They then tell Alberaneesi who's in
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Speaker 2: his ministry. All the Prime Minister gets to do under
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Speaker 2: Labor is choose the portfolios they get. Hence this reshuffle
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Speaker 2: has been carefully crafted to maximize the spin. But I
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Speaker 2: won't leave the government any stronger or the country better off.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke was a CFMU patsy in workplace relations and
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Speaker 2: when he was last the Border Protection Minister in the
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Speaker 2: Rudd Gillard government. There are eighty three illegal boats in
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Speaker 2: just eighty days under his watch, and already the Liberals
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Speaker 2: are out with their attack ads on this very point,
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Speaker 2: given the pressure he's under from Islamist activists in his
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Speaker 2: own seat, a tough line on repelling boat people and
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Speaker 2: a push for Australia to take more from Gaza is
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Speaker 2: the lasting we can expect from Burke. He won't stand firm.
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Speaker 2: Claara O'Neill, the minister who couldn't work out how to
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Speaker 2: stop criminals getting out of attention, which is hardly likely
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Speaker 2: to work out how to fix our housing crisis, given
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Speaker 2: she was in charge of our record high migration numbers
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Speaker 2: and that's a big part of our housing problem. Andrew Giles,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, had a back that blow would have
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Speaker 2: been punted to the back bench, not merely shifted to
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Speaker 2: the outer ministry as the new skills Minister. And as
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Speaker 2: for Julie Collins, going back to the agriculture portfolio she
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Speaker 2: held in opposition. Someone who couldn't explain Labour's position on
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Speaker 2: the live sheep trade or wouldn't explain it in terms
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Speaker 2: of labor visas well. That shows that Labor disrespects farmers
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Speaker 2: and regional communities.
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Speaker 5: Labor had a policy of phasing out live sheep exports.
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Speaker 2: Will you do that?
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Speaker 5: You're committing to that?
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Speaker 6: Well, we're going to be making an announcement about a
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Speaker 6: broader animal welfare policy later on in the campaign.
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Speaker 7: Now that you won't reveal whether Labor will support or
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Speaker 7: carry on with an egg visa. But this visa was
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Speaker 7: announced almost.
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Speaker 2: A year ago.
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Speaker 7: Why is it taking so long for Labor to come
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Speaker 7: up with a position on it.
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Speaker 6: The main priority is that I'm hearing from farmers. Their
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Speaker 6: biggest concern is around climate change.
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Speaker 5: And Collins Krishani was asking why it's taking Labor so
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Speaker 5: long to say whether or not she will support the agvisa.
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Speaker 6: Label will be making announcements in relation to visas later
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Speaker 6: on in the campaign.
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Speaker 7: Labor then have an alternative policy that if you were
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Speaker 7: to win government, you would immediately be able to action.
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Speaker 6: I'm very proud of Labour's policies to date and I'm
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Speaker 6: very proud of the policies that I've been working on
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Speaker 6: with my colleague Christina Knelian relation to visas.
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Speaker 5: That question about why it's taking Labor so long to
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Speaker 5: declare its position on the agvisa, and I'm.
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Speaker 6: Very proud of the policies Labour's putting forward and I
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Speaker 6: think that the farmers will be very proud of it
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Speaker 6: and we'll have more to say well before polling day.
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Speaker 6: I think the farmers and regional Australians were very pleased
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Speaker 6: with Labour's policies.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she is hopeless. You can see today why
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Speaker 2: farmers are so angry in terms of creating a stronger
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Speaker 2: and more responsive government. The pity is the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: has it used the retirements of two ministers to reduce
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Speaker 2: the size of cabinet. Now at twenty three, cabinet is
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Speaker 2: ridiculously unwilly. No successful business has anything like twenty three
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Speaker 2: directors on any bought twenty three in cabinet and just
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Speaker 2: seven in the outer ministry when it really should be
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Speaker 2: ten to twelve in cabinet and eighteen to twenty in
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Speaker 2: the outer ministry, all of them under pressure to perform
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Speaker 2: in order to get promoted. Instead, the vast number of
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Speaker 2: cabinet ministers and their bewildering range of portfolios is a
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Speaker 2: function of a week. Every child must have a prize
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Speaker 2: sort of government. Bolshey junior ministers and Bolshey lobby groups
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Speaker 2: are always bought off by labor by putting their minister
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Speaker 2: into cabinet and their concerns incorporated into these super long
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Speaker 2: and slightly ridiculous ministerial titles. But operating like this makes
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Speaker 2: cabinet government unwilly and ineffectual. It means that no one's
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Speaker 2: really responsible, least of all a week prime minister who's
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Speaker 2: clearly not across the detail. The Prime minister now will
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Speaker 2: be obsessing over next week's Reserve Bank meeting. With any
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Speaker 2: suggestion that inflation will stay high and that rates might
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Speaker 2: go up, adding more pressure to go early to the
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Speaker 2: election before you wake up and our economy and gets
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Speaker 2: even worse. So watch this space. I want to hope
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Speaker 2: too that the opposition is ready to go early if
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Speaker 2: and when labor panics. All right, let's go to Caman.
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Speaker 2: Out the headlines, Skynies's political reporter Cam Breddan.
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Speaker 8: Unveiling a new look lineup in Canberra. Eight ministers will
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Speaker 8: take on new responsibilities ahead of the election, in the
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Speaker 8: first shake up of the Prime Minister's team in two years.
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Speaker 9: That reflects well on the stability of our government.
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Speaker 8: Clara O'Neil and Andrew Giles have been moved out of
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Speaker 8: Home Affairs and Immigration. Tony Burke takes on both portfolios,
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Speaker 8: leaving Industrial Relations to Queenslander Murray. What while Melanderie McCarthy
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Speaker 8: succeeds Linda Bernie as the next Minister for Indigenous Australians.
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Speaker 8: Goodbye firing up protesters in the Illawarra. And the bullet
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Speaker 8: you have is that little piece of paper and it
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Speaker 8: goes in the magazine called the Voting Box. Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 8: fires a warning shot at politicians who advocate four offshore
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Speaker 8: wind farms, telling those gathered.
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Speaker 2: Get ready to load that magazine.
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Speaker 10: Go goodbye Chris, goodbye Stephen, goodbye Albow.
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Speaker 8: His remarks triggering a furious response from the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 9: What does this bloke have to do to lose his job.
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Speaker 9: We've seen other incidents which should have cost him his
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Speaker 9: job and Barnaby Joyce should go.
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Speaker 7: Here we go.
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Speaker 2: I apologize for using that metaphor.
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Speaker 8: The Prime Minister also demanding restraint be shown in the
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Speaker 8: Middle East following a deadly rock attack by Hezbollah on
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Speaker 8: the Israeli occupied Golden Heights.
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Speaker 9: His bala represent a risk of a far more savage
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Speaker 9: conflict with consequences for Israel, for Lebanon, for the Middle
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Speaker 9: East and for world peace.
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Speaker 11: Right.
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Speaker 2: Let's get across all those headlines. I'm joined now Byska
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Speaker 2: and news clitical reporter Cam Reddin and senior writer for
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Speaker 2: the Herald Sun Patrick Carline, Well Jents, welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: We'll start with that reshuffle announced technically announced Thursday with
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Speaker 2: the retirements of Linda Berni and Brendan O'Connor. But because
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister doesn't choose who goes into his ministry,
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Speaker 2: the factional warlords had four or five days to sort
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Speaker 2: it all out. He got told, let's assume Saturday and
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Speaker 2: night Sunday morning. He then chooses the portfolios and announces
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Speaker 2: it yesterday. He went out today. Cam this surprises me
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Speaker 2: and was defending the pair that moved on and blame
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Speaker 2: the coalition quote for the mess that was handed to
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Speaker 2: Giles and O'Neil. I find that extraordinary. But what's been
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Speaker 2: the reaction to the changes in Canberra today?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, genuinely a bit of curiosity, I think, Peter about
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Speaker 8: the fact that those two roles, the Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 8: and the Immigration Minister, have now been merged into one.
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Speaker 8: Tony Burke was not really a name that had been
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Speaker 8: thrown around even in the days prior to the Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister making that announcement. And then suddenly he finds himself
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Speaker 8: off on a plane to Indonesia in a couple of
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Speaker 8: days to talk with officials over there about people smuggling.
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Speaker 8: But that's the role that he finds himself in. You
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Speaker 8: really laid out though at the beginning of the program,
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Speaker 8: how different this portfolio is to what it was when
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Speaker 8: Clara O'Neil inherited it at the twenty twenty two election.
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Speaker 8: The AFP's no longer there. Asio has been taken out
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Speaker 8: now that's part of the Attorney General's Department. You add
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Speaker 8: Ostrak and others as well. Mike Bazillo is gone. He's
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Speaker 8: no longer there either, So it's just a very different
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Speaker 8: portfolio now. The d DNA has changed. It's been gutted
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Speaker 8: like a fish essentially, with many of the main parts
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Speaker 8: moved over to other portfolios. And perhaps that's why now
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Speaker 8: those two roles have been merged into one under Tony Burke.
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Speaker 8: He'll get an Assistant Minister for Immigration as well, but
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Speaker 8: perhaps that's why one person can now do the two jobs.
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Speaker 8: It's just a different role now. I think one aspect,
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Speaker 8: though broadly, that's been welcomed Peter, is the fact that
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Speaker 8: immigration as a portfolio is now moving into cabinet alongside
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Speaker 8: Home Affairs with Tony Burke. That is one shift that
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Speaker 8: seems to have been welcomed by both sides.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, by Dad, it was always in cabinet and the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: It's just they didn't need the word in the title
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs as said at all. And I think the
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Speaker 2: moves is much about Burke getting out of the CFMAU portfolio,
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Speaker 2: so he's out of the gun in question time and
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Speaker 2: ahead of the next election as it is about mopping
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Speaker 2: things up in relation to immigration. Let's go to Barnaby
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Speaker 2: Joyce's poorly worded metaphor used at a rally yesterday. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister came out pretty hard, went after Joyce. That
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Speaker 2: deflects from any questions there Patrick about his own reshuffle.
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Speaker 2: But he's got a poor memory. Have a look at
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Speaker 2: this clip from twenty fifteen. This is the only way
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Speaker 2: to get a member of Ballarat.
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Speaker 1: Smash on the point of order.
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Speaker 10: Smash on the point of order.
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Speaker 8: Smash on the point of order.
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Speaker 9: This is the sort of language which has no place
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Speaker 9: in any part of Australian society, let alone in public life.
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Speaker 2: So fair enough, you know, say Barnaby Joyce should do better.
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Speaker 2: But when the Prime Minister wants to go hard on
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Speaker 2: the issue of domestic violence and the treatment of women,
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Speaker 2: and I've been in the chamber, I've heard what gets
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Speaker 2: thrown across from one side to the other. He doesn't
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Speaker 2: have clean hands here with those comments you made about
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee.
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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, Look, he stands to look very hypocritical at
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Speaker 4: this point, given I mean that footage of Elbanie there,
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Speaker 4: it sort of strikes me as sort of more jarring
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Speaker 4: than anything Barnaby Joyce said on the weekend. If you're
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Speaker 4: going to change these things, then you actually have to
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Speaker 4: live by the rules that you're trying to apply. And
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Speaker 4: I think the thing with the Barnaby Joyce thing over
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Speaker 4: the weekend is, look, he said some silly things. It
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Speaker 4: was a very labored sort of analogy to try and make.
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Speaker 4: It's probably two out of ten for offensiveness. And to
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Speaker 4: actually say that, to claim that this is a hanging
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Speaker 4: offence is totally misplaced and it's all about It's a
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Speaker 4: faux outrage, isn't it. And that footage of alban Easy
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Speaker 4: tells us that as well. I mean, things get thrown
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Speaker 4: around all the time, and the Labor government is sort
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Speaker 4: of going on about Barnaby Joyce primarily to distract from
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Speaker 4: its own problems at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Well it works. I suspect this putting in the opposition
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Speaker 2: and I'm happy with Barnaby's comments given I think they've
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Speaker 2: got the government on the ropes at the moment. And
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Speaker 2: we can see this today with a red bridge pole,
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Speaker 2: this actually has. It's not that the minority government talk
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Speaker 2: for labors there anymore. In fact, we've had two poles
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Speaker 2: that show the coalition actually pulling ahead here can this
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Speaker 2: one's got the coalition ahead three points fifty one point
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Speaker 2: five to forty eight point five. We had a poll
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Speaker 2: last week fresh Water which gave it to the coalition
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Speaker 2: fifty one to forty nine. So this is a government
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Speaker 2: loss sort of territory, a government defeat territory. And the
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Speaker 2: cash splash from the budget seems to have failed. Certainly
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Speaker 2: it's long gone. This will make them worried internally.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And the real warning signs for labor, particularly in
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Speaker 8: that Redbridge pole today Peter, show a drop in support
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Speaker 8: amongst low income earners and also those who are under
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Speaker 8: particular household or financial stress. Now those are the low
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Speaker 8: points for labor, which is typically a strong point for
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Speaker 8: the Labor party. So that's where where the real sort
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Speaker 8: of alarm bells would be going off. Some within labor
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Speaker 8: and some labor figures will say, well, it's only still July.
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Speaker 8: The tax cuts aren't being felt yet, people still haven't
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Speaker 8: got their energy relieve, so it's coming. Things will turn around.
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Speaker 8: But those figures that you've outlined there. They match what
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Speaker 8: we've seen across Europe, across Britain and other parts of
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Speaker 8: the world where in cases where people are doing it tough,
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Speaker 8: where inflation remains high, incumbent governments are getting belted because
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Speaker 8: people are doing it tough. They look to the people
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Speaker 8: that are in charge and they say, well, you're not
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Speaker 8: making things better, I'm going to take my anger out
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Speaker 8: on you at the polls. So that seems to be
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Speaker 8: the concern for Labour. Yes, there's still time before an
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Speaker 8: election is called, whether it's at the end of this
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Speaker 8: year or the beginning of next year. But the trend
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Speaker 8: isn't the friend we saw that last year and the
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Speaker 8: last few months, particularly after the Voice where that slide,
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Speaker 8: particularly for the personal rating for the PM took hold.
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Speaker 8: And the danger for Labor is that if that trend
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Speaker 8: continues at fifty one and a half to forty eight
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Speaker 8: and a half, that is trouble. That's not just minority
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Speaker 8: government you're talking about. So that is the trend, and
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Speaker 8: it's going to be difficult to arrest if the economy
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Speaker 8: doesn't turn around soon and there's no clear cut sign
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Speaker 8: that things are going to get better anytime in the
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Speaker 8: MBS future.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more comfortable to say at the end of
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Speaker 2: next week with I think the government's going to go
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Speaker 2: early if the odds are slipping into an early election,
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Speaker 2: I think it's fifty to fifteen hour. But we'll have
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Speaker 2: obviously the inflation data out on Wednesday. On Tuesday next
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Speaker 2: week we'll have the Reserve Bank meeting. I want to
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Speaker 2: look not just at the decision they take, but at
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Speaker 2: the minutes, the deliberations of the bank, to see how
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Speaker 2: they are placing things in the economy, how demand is tracking,
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Speaker 2: and look, if it looks like it's going to get worse,
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Speaker 2: this government's going.
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Speaker 1: To go early.
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Speaker 2: Let's go down to Victoria Patrick where you are. We
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Speaker 2: learn today the police there will trial handing out more
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Speaker 2: cautions and diversions to teen offenders. Despite the state being
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Speaker 2: in the grip of a youth crime wave, the latest
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Speaker 2: stats show teenagers aged between fourteen and seventeen accounted for
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Speaker 2: more than eighteen thousand crimes last year. That's an increase
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Speaker 2: of thirty percent. These crimes consisted largely of assaults, burglaries,
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Speaker 2: car thefts and robberies, so pretty serious crimes. The data
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Speaker 2: also shows offences by children aged between ten years of
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Speaker 2: age and thirteen are up twenty two percent over the
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Speaker 2: last year. I don't understand this, Patrick. We've got bail
21:20
Speaker 2: reforms that have already proven the criminals just abuse any
21:24
Speaker 2: of the chances get to them. So why are we
21:27
Speaker 2: going ever more softly softly with youth offenders.
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Speaker 4: I don't know anyone, Peter who would actually agree that
21:35
Speaker 4: we should go softly softly as a Melbournian. And you
21:40
Speaker 4: talk about those numbers there, you just got to talk
21:42
Speaker 4: about some of the stories, some of the awful things
21:44
Speaker 4: that have happened to innocent people, like the twenty eight
21:47
Speaker 4: year old doctor who was sitting in his car waiting
21:50
Speaker 4: to turn right the other week and a stolen car
21:52
Speaker 4: driven by allegedly driven by seventeen year old crashed into him,
21:57
Speaker 4: killed the doctor. The drive got charged, they all got charge.
22:02
Speaker 4: The driver then got bailed and then breached his bail
22:05
Speaker 4: within thirty two hours. And you're hearing these stories all
22:08
Speaker 4: the time about this hard core group of a few
22:11
Speaker 4: hundred kids, because they're all under eighteen, who are menacing,
22:16
Speaker 4: breaking in the houses at night, trying to steal cars,
22:20
Speaker 4: wielding axes and knives, and then killing innocent people on
22:24
Speaker 4: the roads. It can't go on. And you hear these
22:27
Speaker 4: stories about people getting bailed for the ninth time and
22:30
Speaker 4: going out and doing exactly the same things, or allegedly
22:34
Speaker 4: doing the same things for the ninth time, again and
22:36
Speaker 4: again and again. I think public safety really does trump
22:39
Speaker 4: any need for the welfare of these offenders at this
22:43
Speaker 4: point in time, and unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: For Victoria, they're a long way off from a state election.
22:50
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, both cam and Patrick Carline.
22:53
Speaker 2: Half the break, I'll speak with Andrew Hasty about concerns
22:56
Speaker 2: at the cabinet reshuffle shows up Labour's lack of commitment
22:59
Speaker 2: to national security. But can we trust Tony Burke to
23:03
Speaker 2: make the right decisions for Australia when it comes to
23:05
Speaker 2: immigration rather than what's politically expedient for his seat. A
23:10
Speaker 2: Western Sydney welcome back is still to come. Trouble brewing
23:19
Speaker 2: for Labor on the news tap about South Coast with
23:21
Speaker 2: thousands turning out to push back on a massive wind
23:24
Speaker 2: farm project, And just into the newsroom, I have been
23:28
Speaker 2: on air an announcement that the Opposition leader, Peter Dutton
23:32
Speaker 2: will travel to Israel this week. He will meet with
23:35
Speaker 2: senior government officials, and he'll also meet with community leaders
23:39
Speaker 2: and people affected obviously via the atrocities on October seven
23:43
Speaker 2: last year. But first let's go back to the whole
23:46
Speaker 2: new look ministry for the Albert Eazy government and the
23:49
Speaker 2: potential national security ramifications from the front bench shakeup to
23:54
Speaker 2: discuss this and more. I'm joined now by Shadow Defense
23:56
Speaker 2: Minister Andrew Hasty. Will no big surprises that the pms
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Speaker 2: moved out Andrew Giles and Clara O'Neil. Andrew Hasty, I'm
24:05
Speaker 2: just surprised it took so long. What's significant here is
24:08
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has basically gutted the Home Affairs department.
24:12
Speaker 2: First out went the AFP. Now asio both moved into
24:17
Speaker 2: the Attorney General's portfolio. What sort of concerns do you
24:21
Speaker 2: have about this move?
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Speaker 11: That's right, Peter, this is a weak national security government.
24:28
Speaker 11: They're very weak on borders. I'm surprised they took so
24:31
Speaker 11: much water on before they moved Clara O'Neil and Andrew
24:34
Speaker 11: Giles out of the portfolio. What they've done here is
24:37
Speaker 11: that they've gutted the Home affairs portfolio of the key
24:40
Speaker 11: operational agency. So Home Affairs no longer has operational authority
24:45
Speaker 11: for the Australian Federal Police or ASIO. They've instead gone
24:49
Speaker 11: to the Attorney General's portfolio, who issues the warrants. Before this,
24:54
Speaker 11: under the Coalition, we had a good, healthy balance, a
24:57
Speaker 11: healthy tension at the cabinet table, with the Home Affairs
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Speaker 11: to running operations and the Attorney General holding essentially the
25:04
Speaker 11: Home Affairs Minister accountable and also issuing the warrants. Labor
25:08
Speaker 11: have broken that down and Home Affairs is all but
25:11
Speaker 11: name only.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just so people understand and how that point you're making.
25:17
Speaker 2: It's like giving the judge all of the powers as
25:20
Speaker 2: opposed to the barrister presenting the case of the court
25:23
Speaker 2: and the judge being persuaded whether or not to sign
25:25
Speaker 2: off the warrants. And we call it contestability, don't we
25:28
Speaker 2: andrew around the cabinet table having contestability? Having two different
25:33
Speaker 2: ministers battle it out on the decision I think makes
25:36
Speaker 2: for good government and that's been eroded with this change.
25:40
Speaker 2: I'm also concerned, to be honest, Tony Burk's under pressure
25:43
Speaker 2: in his seat. We know from a very high Muslim vote,
25:46
Speaker 2: Labors under pressure to give more visas to people coming
25:49
Speaker 2: out of gaza now, surely putting him in charge of
25:53
Speaker 2: this via this portfolio with these changes, that's also a risk.
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Speaker 11: That's right, Peter. This isn't about the national security or
26:03
Speaker 11: strengthening our border. In fact, Tony Burke when he was
26:05
Speaker 11: last Immigration Minister let in about eighty three votes and
26:08
Speaker 11: more than six and a half thousand illegal arrivals, so
26:11
Speaker 11: he's not tough on boorders. This is about empowering Tony Burke,
26:15
Speaker 11: who is under immense pressure electorally. We know that there
26:19
Speaker 11: is a very strong Muslim vote in Western Sydney. They're
26:22
Speaker 11: very energized around the gaza issue, and Tony Burke's under pressure,
26:27
Speaker 11: and so this is about giving him a portfolio that
26:29
Speaker 11: has cachet with the migrant community and empowering him so
26:33
Speaker 11: that he can hold his seat. We don't expect any
26:36
Speaker 11: significant change or toughness out of Tony Burke on some
26:39
Speaker 11: of the pressing questions around border policy.
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Speaker 2: Can I get a comment from you. Labour's decision to
26:46
Speaker 2: reverse the decision it may to throw Asio out of
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Speaker 2: the National Security Committee of Cabinet. I mean, I think
26:54
Speaker 2: it's a good decision that's now. I think it's good
26:57
Speaker 2: that they've now reversed that poor decision. They should never
27:00
Speaker 2: have made it in the first place. Why on earth
27:04
Speaker 2: has it taken them so long to put Mike Burgess
27:08
Speaker 2: back in given the terror threat we know we face
27:12
Speaker 2: in this country.
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Speaker 11: That's right, Peter. We've got a huge espionage foreign interference problem.
27:19
Speaker 11: Mike Burgess has told us multiple times on the public
27:22
Speaker 11: record that it's unprecedented at historic highs. We have a
27:25
Speaker 11: growing terrorist threat, and it's really odd that it's taken
27:29
Speaker 11: this long for him to be reinstated back into the
27:31
Speaker 11: National Security Committee of Cabinet. All it shows again it's
27:35
Speaker 11: just another data point that this is a weak government
27:37
Speaker 11: on national security. They can't be trusted with national security.
27:40
Speaker 11: And if their first instinct was to kick Mike Burgess
27:42
Speaker 11: off the National Security Committee of Cabinet, it makes sense
27:46
Speaker 11: with all the other bad decisions they've made as well.
27:47
Speaker 11: I'm just glad he's back on there, because Mike Burgess
27:50
Speaker 11: is a serious operator who wants to keep our country safe.
27:55
Speaker 2: Why on earth, Andrew Hasty, have they not listed has
28:00
Speaker 2: we know they are a listed terror organization around the
28:04
Speaker 2: world with many of our allies. Why is Labour still
28:07
Speaker 2: refusing to list them? Here?
28:10
Speaker 11: That's right. His wook to Reas celebrated the October seventh
28:13
Speaker 11: attacks on Israel. They're basically soft support for terrorism. They
28:18
Speaker 11: tread the line very carefully, but in the UK and
28:22
Speaker 11: Germany they are both listed as terrorist organizations. So on
28:25
Speaker 11: the coalition side, we would welcome the listing. If we
28:28
Speaker 11: want to have good social cohesion in Australia, if we
28:30
Speaker 11: want everyone to feel safe, we can't afford to have
28:33
Speaker 11: people who provide support for terrorism, and I think that's
28:35
Speaker 11: what his Wookteria does.
28:39
Speaker 2: Look. Just on another matter, I know you take your
28:41
Speaker 2: Christian faith very seriously. A lot of criticism around the
28:44
Speaker 2: world for the mocking of Christianity over the weekend the
28:48
Speaker 2: Paris Olympics opening ceremony. This is a country France, obviously,
28:54
Speaker 2: where we've known Catholic priests to be murdered by radicals.
28:57
Speaker 2: In recent years, we've had teachers issue with death threats
29:01
Speaker 2: because they've had depictions of Mohammad shown in a classroom.
29:05
Speaker 2: I mean, who can forget a cartoon and Charlie ebdoh
29:08
Speaker 2: the terrorism there? Why is Christianity fair game?
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Speaker 11: Yet again, I think people think Christianity is fair game
29:17
Speaker 11: because Christ teaches us in the New Testament to love
29:20
Speaker 11: your enemies and to turn the other cheek. That's not
29:23
Speaker 11: always easy, but that's the commandment. But I think here
29:27
Speaker 11: the deeper point with the Last Supper parody, which was
29:30
Speaker 11: shameful for a number of reasons. It was sexualized, it
29:32
Speaker 11: was debased, but it was also ugly, the deeper point
29:35
Speaker 11: here is the decay that's happening inside the West. If
29:38
Speaker 11: this is the best that France can do at an
29:41
Speaker 11: event that's watched by the whole world, we are in
29:43
Speaker 11: big trouble. Our great Western cultural achievements have always celebrated
29:48
Speaker 11: the good, the true, and the beautiful. This parody celebrated
29:53
Speaker 11: the bad, the false, and the ugly. And on the
29:55
Speaker 11: third point, don't take my word for it, you've seen
29:57
Speaker 11: it with your own eyes. So if this is the
30:00
Speaker 11: the best that we can do in the West right now,
30:01
Speaker 11: with woke ideology becoming part of the establishment everywhere, if
30:05
Speaker 11: this is the best we can do, we've got more
30:07
Speaker 11: to worry about, I think, than just terrorism and autocrats.
30:11
Speaker 11: We have serious cultural decay at the heart of the West,
30:13
Speaker 11: and that has consequences if we don't fight back.
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Speaker 2: Beautifully, said Andrew Hasty. Thank you for your time. You
30:22
Speaker 2: can see there, can't you, my dear audience, what people
30:24
Speaker 2: think he's a future Liberal leader? All right? After break,
30:27
Speaker 2: pressure mounting on Labor as thousands turn out to push
30:29
Speaker 2: back against a massive wind farm proposed for New South Wales.
30:33
Speaker 2: We'll talk to the organizer up next, plus the Bishop
30:36
Speaker 2: imploring the health fitness to act as essential end of
30:39
Speaker 2: life palliative care drugs are removed from the PBS. Welcome back.
30:50
Speaker 2: Still to come, mounting concerns that Labor isn't serious about
30:54
Speaker 2: palladive care, but rather forcing people into euthanasia, especially if
30:59
Speaker 2: you live out site a major city. But first anger
31:03
Speaker 2: mounting in the Illawarra region just south of Sydney, Chris
31:06
Speaker 2: Bowen pushes ahead with his massive wind farm project off
31:10
Speaker 2: the coast. Now. Thousands turned up yesterday to a rally
31:13
Speaker 2: in Woollongong, angered by the lack of consultation they've received
31:16
Speaker 2: from Labor. For more on this, let's bring in one
31:19
Speaker 2: of the organizers of the rally, spokesperson for Responsible Future,
31:23
Speaker 2: Alex O'Brien. Alex, thank you for your time. Take my
31:27
Speaker 2: viewers through what's actually being proposed here, because there are
31:32
Speaker 2: also concerns that this wind farm will be visible even
31:35
Speaker 2: from parts of Sydney.
31:38
Speaker 11: That's correct.
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Speaker 12: We're talking about a zion that's one thousand square kilometers.
31:44
Speaker 11: It's massive. It's six to.
31:46
Speaker 12: Seven times larger than our Royal National Park. It's absolutely massive,
31:52
Speaker 12: and it's discovered to be only twenty five kilometers off Cronulla.
31:57
Speaker 12: Further to that, it's thirty to thirty fiveometers off eastern
32:02
Speaker 12: suburbs areas like Malibar, Little Bay and of course you
32:07
Speaker 12: know Bondai. When you actually look at how those coastal
32:12
Speaker 12: areas look onto the wind farm, there are actually a
32:15
Speaker 12: lot of areas that are south east facing. So this
32:18
Speaker 12: is not an Illawara issue anymore. This is a Sydney
32:22
Speaker 12: issue regarding offshore wind.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that worries me so much about
32:29
Speaker 2: wind farms besides it, so that the visual pollution, if
32:32
Speaker 2: I can call it that, damage to BirdLife and sea life,
32:36
Speaker 2: and the fact that even with the best analysis out there,
32:39
Speaker 2: we're told we're lucky to get twenty years out of
32:42
Speaker 2: the heads of these turbines. There's no great remediation plan,
32:45
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong to remove them then, or
32:48
Speaker 2: even to replace those heads. They're just left to rust
32:52
Speaker 2: in the sea. That's just not good environmental practice anyway
32:56
Speaker 2: you cut it.
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Speaker 12: No, that's right, and look only have to look at
33:01
Speaker 12: the high Wind project in Scotland. After six years, you know,
33:06
Speaker 12: the turbines have been brought into for heavy maintenance. So
33:10
Speaker 12: you're talking about some pretty harsh conditions out in the ocean.
33:13
Speaker 12: And we're talking about one of the potential proponents for
33:17
Speaker 12: many of these projects along the coastal areas of Australia
33:21
Speaker 12: bringing in the turbines after six seven years and for
33:24
Speaker 12: four to five months of the year no energy is
33:27
Speaker 12: being provided. So there's a lot of issues there from
33:31
Speaker 12: the environmental impact. And I don't know if you saw Peter,
33:33
Speaker 12: but just the last couple of weeks there's been floating
33:37
Speaker 12: debris off the east coast of the US where the
33:42
Speaker 12: wind turbine debris has been washing up on the beaches,
33:46
Speaker 12: shards of turbines where they actually had to force the
33:49
Speaker 12: closure of those beaches, and that'd be absolutely devastating to
33:53
Speaker 12: the Illawarra and to Sydney suburbs which rely on those
33:58
Speaker 12: beaches for bringing in tourism dollars. But also the fact
34:01
Speaker 12: that many Australians enjoy our beaches and that's why we've
34:05
Speaker 12: got some of the best beaches in the world.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're the point of end of this. If
34:12
Speaker 2: it gets up in your area, this is what's going
34:15
Speaker 2: to be confronted by regional communities, coastal communities right around
34:19
Speaker 2: the country. So I think we've all got a stake
34:21
Speaker 2: Alex and you and your community raising your voice. How
34:24
Speaker 2: can people stay across what you're doing and support you
34:28
Speaker 2: speaking out about these wind farms.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, very simply, we encourage communities to jump on
34:35
Speaker 12: our website Responsible Future dot com dot au and we
34:39
Speaker 12: encourage members in the community to talk to their local
34:42
Speaker 12: politicians if you're living in these areas that are going
34:45
Speaker 12: to be impacted by these turbines.
34:47
Speaker 11: And it's very simple.
34:48
Speaker 12: You know, sixty five percent of our communities opposed it.
34:51
Speaker 12: We've got thousands of petitions we've now got to set
34:54
Speaker 12: in enquirns, so we ask people to share their experience there.
34:58
Speaker 12: But it's a very simple message that we've got and
35:00
Speaker 12: we're united with this around regional Australia and rural Australia
35:05
Speaker 12: that the very simple solution to this is to vote
35:09
Speaker 12: Labor Greens and the Teals. Last that is the only
35:12
Speaker 12: way that we're going to be able to stop these
35:14
Speaker 12: projects happening at this fast pace and in this reckless nature.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Alex O'Brien, thank you for your time, all right.
35:24
Speaker 2: In the past year, as many as six essential drugs
35:27
Speaker 2: that are used for palliative care, including morphine, have been
35:30
Speaker 2: withdrawn from the market. The moves prompted the Australian New
35:34
Speaker 2: Zealand Society of Pallative Medicine to call for a longer
35:38
Speaker 2: notification period to be introduced if essential drugs are going
35:41
Speaker 2: to be taken off the market. They also want substitutes
35:45
Speaker 2: to be listed on the Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme as soon
35:48
Speaker 2: as possible. The Catholic Bishop of Townsville, Tim Harris, has
35:53
Speaker 2: written to the Health Minister Mark Butler, warning that the
35:56
Speaker 2: lack of alternative medications could lead people to seek out
35:59
Speaker 2: you in Asia, even if that's not their preference. Bishop
36:03
Speaker 2: Tim Harris joins me, now, well, thank you for your time, Bishop.
36:07
Speaker 2: I mean palliative care, indeed death it's not something we're
36:12
Speaker 2: going to talk about. I know that. But if you
36:14
Speaker 2: need support at the end of your life, or someone
36:17
Speaker 2: you love does, but you find there's no support there
36:21
Speaker 2: that it's too late then to raise concerns what's the
36:24
Speaker 2: problem here with these drugs and what's then the impact
36:28
Speaker 2: on individuals now that they've been withdrawn.
36:33
Speaker 10: Good evening, Peter, it's nice to be with you. Look, I,
36:36
Speaker 10: as you said, the Australian New Zealand Society Palliative Care
36:40
Speaker 10: raised this as an issue. I'm also the Australian Catholic
36:46
Speaker 10: Bishop's Delicate for Life issues, so I immediately became involved
36:51
Speaker 10: in this particular matter. And also I come, as you know,
36:55
Speaker 10: from regional Queensland, and I happen to know that that
37:00
Speaker 10: there are many regional Queenslanders. Some have spoken to me
37:04
Speaker 10: since I raised this matter, and they've really said to
37:09
Speaker 10: me that this is their lifeline. These drugs actually are
37:14
Speaker 10: critical for them to be to have their pain relieved
37:20
Speaker 10: significantly and to live a life, to tolerate life at
37:26
Speaker 10: the end of their life. So when drugs are not
37:30
Speaker 10: available anymore, people panic. People then need to look for alternatives,
37:37
Speaker 10: and I think it's true to say that some even
37:41
Speaker 10: contemplate doctor assisted suicide because those particular palleative care drugs
37:47
Speaker 10: are not available anymore. You see people take time to
37:52
Speaker 10: get used to particular drugs and so when they're withdrawn
37:56
Speaker 10: are not available. The alternative is quite confronting, as you'd appreciate.
38:07
Speaker 2: I always look at what happens when you bring in
38:09
Speaker 2: a move like euthanasia, and you see the concomminant reduction
38:13
Speaker 2: in palliative care funding and now you see the withstrawal
38:17
Speaker 2: of these drugs. It would leave a cynic in me
38:20
Speaker 2: to think that this is forcing people into euthanasia some
38:24
Speaker 2: sort of government values decision perhaps or a cost saving
38:29
Speaker 2: You've written to the minister. What are you asking the minister.
38:33
Speaker 10: To do well, I'm asking the Minister to do something
38:36
Speaker 10: about it, to take note what the Australian New Zealand
38:40
Speaker 10: Society Palled of Care have said, and to ensure that
38:45
Speaker 10: action has taken. I mean, I'm not actually sure why
38:49
Speaker 10: these drugs have been withdrawn. It could be cost but
38:53
Speaker 10: the implications of the drawing drugs like this are quite significant.
38:58
Speaker 10: So I've really asked the Minister Mark Butler to get
39:02
Speaker 10: involved personally and to do something about it. You mentioned
39:07
Speaker 10: funding before. In my own state of Queensland some years ago,
39:10
Speaker 10: the queens And Government promised one hundred and seventy one
39:13
Speaker 10: million dollars over six years that they would pump into
39:17
Speaker 10: Palette of Care. Well, the Australian Medical Association of Queensland
39:22
Speaker 10: and Palette of Care Queensland have actually called for an
39:25
Speaker 10: additional two hundred and seventy five million dollars a year,
39:28
Speaker 10: an additional to seventy five million a year to meet
39:33
Speaker 10: the growing demand. So we seem to be government's priorities
39:38
Speaker 10: are wrong. In my view, they're backing doctor assisted suicide.
39:44
Speaker 10: They're going down that particular route and they are neglecting
39:47
Speaker 10: Palette of Care and that has consequences. And I say
39:51
Speaker 10: from regional Queensland because we have to travel long distances
39:56
Speaker 10: and in these various towns that in fact, I was
39:59
Speaker 10: in Collinsville this afternoon. You know, these are long there's
40:03
Speaker 10: a long way. These places are a long way from
40:07
Speaker 10: from from doctors, from from from chemists, from specialists. So
40:12
Speaker 10: to actually travel, for example, into Townsville to kind of
40:16
Speaker 10: get some sort of advice or help, it's a real effort.
40:20
Speaker 10: It's a it's a day's trip. And these people are
40:23
Speaker 10: not well. They're they're they're sick, they're weak. And I
40:27
Speaker 10: would have thought that a humane society we talk about
40:31
Speaker 10: being humane, the humane society ensures that people in this
40:36
Speaker 10: particular state are given all the medical help that they
40:39
Speaker 10: can be given, and we shouldn't be counting the cost
40:43
Speaker 10: in that sense.
40:46
Speaker 2: Please stay in touch and let me know what the
40:48
Speaker 2: response from the Federal ministry is. Thank you for your time,
40:50
Speaker 2: Bishop Harris. I care very strongly about this issue. I
40:54
Speaker 2: want people to have choice, whether that's the euthanasia choice
40:57
Speaker 2: they want or well supported parati care. I was there
41:00
Speaker 2: when both my grandparents died with well supported palliaty of care,
41:05
Speaker 2: and everyone is owed that in a country like Australia.
41:09
Speaker 2: After the break, speculation mounts a prime minister is headed
41:12
Speaker 2: to an early election. Plus old comments have come back
41:16
Speaker 2: to haunt Trump's running mat JD events, talk that he
41:19
Speaker 2: may be dumped. Now this is interesting. I'll tell you what.
41:22
Speaker 2: It would be a mistake though, for the Republicans to
41:25
Speaker 2: underestimate Kamala Harris, welcome back. Let's bring you my panelful tonight.
41:33
Speaker 2: The Dynamic Duo SKYD his contributor, former Howard Governed Immigration Minister,
41:38
Speaker 2: one of the good guys, Gary Hargrave, an LMPMP Form
41:41
Speaker 2: Resources Minister Keith pitt Well. All the speculation gens of
41:46
Speaker 2: an early election. We've got the make or break inflation
41:49
Speaker 2: data that's out Wednesday. We've obviously got a Reserve Bank
41:53
Speaker 2: meeting next Tuesday. But this reshuffle, that looks to me, Keith,
42:00
Speaker 2: you better have your core flutes ready and you know
42:03
Speaker 2: policies in the band. I think you could go early.
42:09
Speaker 3: As minor reshuffles go. This is the biggest one I've
42:11
Speaker 3: ever seen. It's a lot of changes, and what's happened
42:15
Speaker 3: with Tony Burke. I mean, that's an enormous portfolio and
42:18
Speaker 3: you've now got what's allegedly the Union's man in canber
42:21
Speaker 3: in charge of national security. So I think you're right.
42:25
Speaker 3: It'll still come down to two things, the economy and
42:27
Speaker 3: cost of living. And if mister Albinezi thinks that either
42:29
Speaker 3: of those will get much worse in the future, well
42:32
Speaker 3: he'll go early. There's no doubt about that whatsoever. So
42:35
Speaker 3: we need to be ready. We've got to have a
42:37
Speaker 3: proposition that resonates, and it is all about people being
42:41
Speaker 3: able to afford to live, Peter, and right now they
42:44
Speaker 3: really really can't. So the individuals who are not earning
42:47
Speaker 3: a lot of money, they are really struggling.
42:52
Speaker 2: Gary's move though by Burke out of the CFMAU portfolio.
42:56
Speaker 2: That's what I now call ir is to say she's
42:59
Speaker 2: skin absolutely and to put him into immigration is also
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Speaker 2: for him to try and win over the disaffected Muslims
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Speaker 2: in his seat of Western Cydney. We know there's a
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Speaker 2: big calls for Australia to take more people from Gaza.
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Speaker 2: He's now going to be the deciding minister. Let's see
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Speaker 2: this for what it is. This is a sandbag strategy
43:19
Speaker 2: for Tony Burke.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right, but look, pet I've got
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Speaker 1: to say congratulations to you on the Kennedy Award nomination
43:27
Speaker 1: for the terrific work you had on the Voice campaign.
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Speaker 1: And doesn't that actually lead into a lot of what
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Speaker 1: we're talking about now, This business of Burke being appointed
43:37
Speaker 1: to this is actually also about Elbow trying to kill
43:40
Speaker 1: off who the New South Wales Right wants to replace
43:44
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Albanezi and I reckon one of the reasons
43:46
Speaker 1: he will go to an election is to make everyone
43:48
Speaker 1: sit up straight and follow him into battle because everyone
43:52
Speaker 1: knows this bloke is on the way. And yes, they've
43:54
Speaker 1: got problems in Western Sydney as people on the left
43:57
Speaker 1: and the Muslims are looking at the government and saying,
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Speaker 1: this is not what we thought we were going to
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Speaker 1: get with this mob.
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Speaker 2: They're running down all these.
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Speaker 1: Other left paths. So this whole thing is just balkanizing.
44:07
Speaker 1: Is there's a whole lot of feathering and splitting that's
44:10
Speaker 1: occurring on the labor side. And while the numbers are
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Speaker 1: encouraging for the opposition, and there's a four in front
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Speaker 1: on the primary vote, very important, it's still I think
44:19
Speaker 1: more likely that a hung parliament controlled by the Greens
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Speaker 1: and Australia will just go pear shape. Albo will be
44:25
Speaker 1: happy with that. But Tony Burke and the New South
44:27
Speaker 1: Wal's right, they actually think they could do a better job.
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Speaker 1: So I think watch this space for a lot of reasons.
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Speaker 2: Peter, all right, well let's stay with elections. We'll go
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Speaker 2: to the US. Donald Trump out there campaigning hard now
44:41
Speaker 2: against Kamala Harris, but a lot of name calling Calder
44:44
Speaker 2: of bum calder a failed vice president or hard to
44:47
Speaker 2: disagree with the second one. I'm worry they're not taking
44:51
Speaker 2: her seriously enough. Now. We all think she's hopeless. We've
44:53
Speaker 2: watched her for a long time, but for most people,
44:56
Speaker 2: she's a blank page, and she's managed to raise two
44:59
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars in one week. That's more than Trump
45:03
Speaker 2: and Biden have raised in a month. I think there's
45:06
Speaker 2: a problem here, Keith. She's got a record, it's a
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Speaker 2: poor record. Run on the record. Leave the personal spite
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Speaker 2: to one side, because that's a distraction, whether.
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Speaker 3: It's the US or Australia. Peter, you're exactly on the money.
45:23
Speaker 3: The people don't want to hear what you've got to
45:25
Speaker 3: say about your opponent. They want to hear what you're
45:27
Speaker 3: going to do for the country and why they should
45:29
Speaker 3: vote for you. And to raise two hundred million in
45:31
Speaker 3: that period of time, as you know, I mean, that's
45:34
Speaker 3: probably an entire election campaign in Australia, the whole lot,
45:38
Speaker 3: between the major parties and epe of others. So it's
45:40
Speaker 3: an extraordinary amount of money they're about to throw at
45:43
Speaker 3: the American election. And I just hate seeing democracy being
45:46
Speaker 3: about who pays wins. But Kamala Harris is dangerous that
45:50
Speaker 3: there's only two people in the race.
45:55
Speaker 2: Look, I agree with you, she is dangerous. I don't
45:57
Speaker 2: think they're taking it seriously enough. Lot of that money
46:00
Speaker 2: is about getting out the vote. So whether you like
46:03
Speaker 2: compulsory voting or not in this country, it at least
46:06
Speaker 2: saves us as tax pays a lot of money. JD Vance,
46:09
Speaker 2: if I can go there, Gary, those comments he made
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Speaker 2: about childish women, they were back in twenty twenty one.
46:14
Speaker 2: I'm a childless woman. I'm not excusing them. I don't
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Speaker 2: think i'd still I don't think i'd vote for Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris on the back of them. But it's a distruction
46:22
Speaker 2: they don't need. And I think a lot of women,
46:25
Speaker 2: a lot of women may move their vote because of this.
46:28
Speaker 2: I guess the issue for me is it's a bit
46:32
Speaker 2: of a basket of deplorable's moment. But the talk around
46:37
Speaker 2: Washington in the last twenty four hours is he could
46:40
Speaker 2: well be moved on by Trump. How real do you
46:42
Speaker 2: think that is? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I liked a lot of the backstory of JD Vance,
46:48
Speaker 1: But you know, we've got to play the ball, not
46:50
Speaker 1: the man, as the old metaphor goes. And there's a
46:54
Speaker 1: lot to all of this, and the two hundred million,
46:57
Speaker 1: well that was a lot of money being held back
46:59
Speaker 1: because they wanted to buy and gone to the big donors.
47:01
Speaker 1: And in fact of that two hundred million, a fair
47:04
Speaker 1: whack of it. Three quarters of it came in one
47:06
Speaker 1: lump out of a sort of a pool of money
47:08
Speaker 1: that was sitting there being held off from Biden. But look,
47:11
Speaker 1: just shut up and let the woman do the talking,
47:14
Speaker 1: because if she does the talking a bit like with
47:16
Speaker 1: the Voice campaign, Peter can I say that, you know,
47:19
Speaker 1: Albow did all the talking and sunk it. The problem
47:22
Speaker 1: is it's not necessarily just the personnel. It is the
47:25
Speaker 1: policy settings and the matter who is in place. From
47:28
Speaker 1: the Democrats point of view, it's still that same bad government,
47:32
Speaker 1: same bad record, So let it get a bit of oxygen.
47:36
Speaker 1: I've heard some suggestions in the United States that Trump
47:39
Speaker 1: should take dvance for a golfing tour and just shut
47:42
Speaker 1: the heck up for a week or two and let
47:44
Speaker 1: Harris sink herself because she's more than capable of doing it.
47:48
Speaker 1: So don't be the issue. Let her be the issue,
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Speaker 1: would be my strong advice.
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Speaker 2: Just quick one, Keith, Jillie Collins back in your portfolio
47:57
Speaker 2: of agriculture farmers can't be happy with that one.
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Speaker 3: Well, she held the shadow portfolio before, and who'd have
48:06
Speaker 3: thought you might have someone worse than Murray? What and
48:09
Speaker 3: from Tasmania.
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Speaker 4: But look, I just wanted to do well.
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Speaker 7: I really do.
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Speaker 3: It's an important portfolio to do well.
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Speaker 2: But hold I don't hold much hope. All right, Jens
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Speaker 2: got to leave it there amount of time. Thank you
48:21
Speaker 2: for your kind words there, mister Hargraves. I'll see you
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Speaker 2: both next week. That's it for me, see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: He's angreew Bolt