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Dugout Dish: In the Clubhouse with EMD | Admissions Process · Dugout Dish Baseball Recruiting Podcast powered by EMD Baseball

• 0:00
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• 1:12
  Speaker B: Welcome to this week's edition of in the Clubhouse with EMD Baseball. I'm Andy Kittis, drawn by my wonderful co host who may or may not be colorblind, Keith Glasser. How we doing?
• 1:23
  Speaker C: Great. How are you?
• 1:24
  Speaker B: I'm good, I'm good. It's that time of year, so we're going to give a little crash course on some admissions related information. Early decision, early action ED2 regular admissions, rolling admissions, little little primer for this. As we get a little bit closer to September, October, where people are starting to pull together applications, you're starting to make decisions, all that kind of good stuff. So this, this particular topic is right up in your wheelhouse as you spend some time doing some admissions work as one of your your many duties at RPI. So let's start with ED1. What do we got there?
• 2:11
  Speaker C: Hold on.
• 2:12
  Speaker B: Holding.
• 2:14
  Speaker C: Let's, let's backtrack for a second. The first thing that we're going to have to determine prior to what admissions deadline we're going to apply to is what application you're going to fill out. You're going to want to either a go to the two big ones, which I'm fairly certain are have kind of cornered the market. Here are the Common App and the Coalition app. Pretty much every school in the country accepts those applications. Some schools do have their own version of their own application. I know RPI had their own. I don't know if they still do, but some do have their own. And I do think it's worth noting that, you know, some of the I would probably say that most of the state system universities out there have their own model, if you will, where you can fill out an application once to, you know, let's say in the state of New York, to UAlbany, Brockport, Binghamton and Oswego and you can fill it out once it goes to all those schools. The common app and the coalition app, I believe the common app I know for sure, I believe the coalition app might too. They work with Naviance, which this is just irrelevant to 99.9% of people out there. But it is a software system that most high schools use to be able to send documents safely to colleges. So essentially you fill out your application, you submit it to the school, you pay your application fee and then your counselor gets notified that you've applied to said school and then they can just go in and upload all of your documents via the interwebs to those schools. Now to the deadlines, I think it's important to note that the vast majority of schools are just going to require that you have your application in by the deadline. The rest of your supporting and supplemental materials, excuse me, can come after said deadline. But as long as your app is in by the deadline, you have a seat at the table here, so to speak. What's the first one you want to tackle? Ed 1.
• 4:32
  Speaker B: Yeah, let's go with 81 since I think for guys who are committed for going to be committed prior to that deadline, this is the most likely path that you will take in terms of your application process. Sure.
• 4:47
  Speaker C: So early decision one. Now, some schools only have one early decision date. Some do have multiple one or two. Early decision one is generally going to be sometime between November 1st and November 15th. They're going to take the first part of November and that's there'll be a date in there. Usually it's something round like the 1st or the 15th that your application has to be in by. You'll be notified usually in mid December. You know, so the turnaround is pretty quick. Right. Like if you're going to apply early decision one, November 1st, you're going to know in, you know, five to six weeks whether or not you've been into that you got admitted to that school, you'll have your financial aid package, all that other stuff. Now obviously if you've gone through the early read process and you've quote unquote committed to a school, you know, as long as you haven't failed all of your courses at this point in the year you're getting admitted, you're going to get your financial aid package and you're going to be done. The key to know about early decision is that it is binding now. It's binding in that it is financially affordable for you. You know, I'll let the cat out of the bag here. None of these schools have, you know, a task force assigned to show up to your house and audit you to see if you're telling the truth. Like, we got a lot of bigger fish to fry here. They ain't showing up. So yes, it is binding and I think that's the one thing that scares people. But it's binding in that it is financially affordable for you. That said, if, if we're strictly talking athletics, you know, you're going to have a really good idea of what it is you're going to be paying anyways. So, you know, early decision one is a great option because it allows you to literally be done with this process by early December and you can just go enjoy the rest of your senior year academically, athletically, in all the sports it is that you play without kind of the stress and everything hanging over regular decision and decision deadlines and all those things that are going to come.
• 7:03
  Speaker B: I also think it's important in all.
• 7:05
  Speaker C: Of these you can appeal your financial aid package as well. You know, generally speaking, there is. Some schools have a formal process, some just have like a, you know, shoot an email over here, we'll review it. But you know, you can go through the review of the financial aid process to try to get a little bit more money. My argument would be like, just appeal. The worst thing that said they come back with is like, yeah, no, this is the best we can do. But hey man, they come back with another 2, 3 grand, that's 8 to $12,000 less that you have to pay over four years.
• 7:42
  Speaker B: Yeah, and two things with this, you can only apply early decision to one school. It's an important thing to note because we're going to get into early action, which is slightly different. The other thing that I would implore people to do is that if the finances are a concern, right? For some people they aren't. For some people they are. Do your due diligence on what it's going to cost so you don't get that financial aid or the merit based money back and go, wow, that's not even close. Because you should have enough information going into your early decision application where you have a pretty good idea of what you're getting in. Most of these schools have tools that will allow you to paint a pretty clear picture of what it's going to cost. You out of pocket once you factor in potential financial aid, merit based money, scholarship money, so on and so forth. So you should be, if finances are a concern, you should be talking to the coaches and making sure they're pointing you in the right direction to get a clear picture. You can use these net price calculators to get an estimate on what your financial aid might look like, what your merit pays package might look like. But don't go if finances are a concern, do not go into early decision one or early decision two for that matter, because it is another binding process. Don't go into it blind, have a pretty good idea of what to expect, especially if those finances are going to be a concern. Anything else on ED1?
• 9:21
  Speaker C: No, which I guess we can segue into ED2, which is literally the exact same thing we just talked about. It's just a later date for early decision 2. So early decision 2 is usually going to be, you know, mid December ish, as those Ed1 decisions are going out, Ed2 apps are coming in and then those are getting ready to have that turnaround, usually in early January. So you know, kind of the benefit if schools have early decision two is that maybe your recruitment process is a little bit longer or you know, let's just face it, if you're looking to go to a school, it allows you to, you know, take a little bit more time to figure out, yeah, this is the place for me. You know, maybe go on an official visit, maybe you stay overnight, maybe, you know, you weren't able to get to this school early enough to be able to make a decision, but you were at some point in the fall and you know, after visiting a couple other places and you know, sitting down over the holidays around Thanksgiving and talking to your family, that that's the place that you decided is the best fit for you. Same thing. It's turned around in a month and you'll have everything it is that you need to know slash you're going to be admitted and you can go on with your life. So you know, those are, it is still binding. Again, it's the same thing we Talked about in Ed 1. It's just a later, a later deadline to apply and then a obviously a later. You know, it's actually a little bit of a quicker turnaround because it's about a month, but nevertheless you're going to know what's going on within, you know, 30 to 40 days as to whether or not you're getting into that school and what you got to do. Pause, pause, pause.
• 11:15
  Speaker B: No early Action. There's a couple layers to this one, but I think the simplest way to put it is that applying early action somewhere allows you to get a decision on your admission earlier. You can apply to multiple schools in the vast majority of cases. But a thing to know about early action and you need to do due diligence on this is there's non restrictive early action and then there's restrictive early action. And essentially the biggest difference between those is that a restricted early action school only allows you to apply early action to that one school. Non restrictive allows you to apply early action across multiple different schools. And that decision is non binding, meaning that if you get accepted, you don't have to actually enroll in that school. You can make some decisions there. So just from an early action perspective, just understand that the vast majority of schools that have early action, they're non restrictive. But there are some out there like Harvard and Princeton and Yale, if you're going that route, that you can apply early action to, but you can only apply early action to those particular schools or one of those schools, I should say just one school you can pick. Most other schools will allow you to apply to three or four or five different schools. Early action, you get a decision earlier rather than later. So typically it won't be as early as the early decision. Probably kind of the end of December, early January is when a lot of those notices will go out. But it's still going to be far earlier than if you applied regular decision. Did I miss anything there, coach?
• 12:57
  Speaker C: No, I just think it's the only thing I'd add is I think that most early actions are around the ED deadlines too early to mid November. So you're going to have to have all your stuff in. But no, there's pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I would say that the vast majority of schools are non restrictive. I'm just, I'm just gonna spitball here for a second. And I'm not, I'm not trying to, you know, spit away, ruffle any feathers, but like, how do they know?
• 13:36
  Speaker B: You know what I mean?
• 13:38
  Speaker C: How do they know? Is there a watchdog out there that's like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 13:44
  Speaker B: I guess if say you're Harvard and you take the Common app that gets put into a database, you select Early Action, they see that you submit to other schools. I guess they'd be able to track it that way. But it's a great question, Keith. I'm not sure are we doing that?
• 14:03
  Speaker C: We have, we have enough time on.
• 14:05
  Speaker B: Our hands to do that apparently apparent. Apparently. Apparently they do. I'm just. I'm just.
• 14:12
  Speaker C: I'm just throwing that out there.
• 14:13
  Speaker A: I'm not.
• 14:15
  Speaker C: I'm not advocating for anyone to do it. I'm just saying.
• 14:19
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 14:19
  Speaker C: My question is, are we just making things up to make things up, or is there, like, are there guardrails put in place that doesn't allow you to do it?
• 14:29
  Speaker B: I don't know. Restrictive early action sounds a lot like early decision, but not binding. And that doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
• 14:39
  Speaker C: Well, I guess if. I guess, like, if you're going early action to Harvard and Ed to Yale, like, whatever.
• 14:50
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 14:50
  Speaker C: But again, like, are we checking? I don't know.
• 14:56
  Speaker B: I don't know. Maybe somebody in the comments will be able to answer that for us.
• 15:01
  Speaker C: I'm gonna chat GPT that. See if they. I can get an answer. We digress.
• 15:08
  Speaker B: The. The other thing I'll know about early action is that it does give you a chance to, you know, say you apply early action to five schools. You get into four of them. You get a chance to kind of compare what those financial aid packages look like into a certain extent. You have a little bargaining room potentially. You know, you could go to a school and say, hey, I got. Yeah, I got into Harvard, I got into Yale, I got into Princeton. I really want to go to Brown. But the academic package that you guys gave, the financial aid packages you guys gave me doesn't add up to those other ones. You might have a little bit of a bargaining chip there. I'm using, you know, four really elite schools, but it also just gives you a chance to kind of see where it fits within your finances as well. So that's another additional benefit. Yeah.
• 15:59
  Speaker C: The last thing I'll add on early action other decision is that you can be deferred as well.
• 16:05
  Speaker B: Then you get kicked into the. You get kicked into regular pool.
• 16:08
  Speaker C: You can get kicked into regular decision because they might want to see another round of grades or what have you, so that. That can be an option for the schools to do as well that you get kicked into.
• 16:21
  Speaker B: You know, if you went to Ed1.
• 16:22
  Speaker C: And they have Ed2, they might kick into Ed2 to see another round of grades. If you go Ed1 or Ed2, they might kick you into regular decision just to see more grades. And then each school, I believe, kind of operates differently. You know, some of them will kind of say, like, yeah, you win, Ed, but we wanted to see another round of grades. Like, we'll give you your decision earlier than giving it to you. Some will just be like, yeah, no, you're going to get it with regular decision. That is something that can happen in early action early decision.
• 16:53
  Speaker B: The other piece invo that we kind of glossed over, but part of the reason that early decision can be popular, especially with high end schools, is that it does give you a better chance to get in. Right. I don't know if anybody states that publicly in terms of like increasing your odds, but having been in the room with admissions officers at elite schools, they've had the conversation with us like, if this kid's gonna get in, he has to apply early decision. Because if he gets into that regular admissions pool, it's going to get too competitive for him to be admitted and we need to know that he wants to be here or she wants to be here. So part of that commitment and early decision, it's a smaller pool of applicants that are going to be willing to commit to a school early decision. So in a sense it does increase the likelihood that you could get into a particular school. The other part of it from a baseball recruiting process is that most of these schools are going to nudge you. If you make a verbal commitment to them. They're going to strongly suggest and in some cases may require you to apply early decision to get that dialed in and get that commitment kind of on the board, if you will. Specifically at the Division 3 level where that is kind of the most binding of agreements that you can come upon. Although that has changed a little bit since the national letter of intent is, is no longer a thing.
• 18:19
  Speaker C: But so yeah, the only pushback I'll give you is that when I want to be clear, well, we should be clear when you do. When we say that you do have a better chance, we're talking about people that are still admissible at that school. You don't get a better chance getting into Harvard with a 950 SAT and a 2A GPA because you went early decision. Does that make sense?
• 18:52
  Speaker B: Yeah. No, like you, you still have to.
• 18:54
  Speaker C: Be wildly competitive in the process. Essentially it is like if it's a borderline scenario and you go early decision, there are less, there are less applicants and they can say like, okay, like no, this kid is strong, he's probably going to do well or she's going to do well here, like they can, well, you can admit them here, but if you were in the regular applicant pool, you might fall below what they would normally admit because there's a lot more people, it's a lot more competitive. That type Thing it doesn't. Just because you applied early decision, like you still have to be competitive admissions wise to be admitted there. It doesn't mean that you can just, you know, get into said school with a 800 SAT and a 2,4 GPA because you went early decision.
• 19:42
  Speaker B: Yeah, I should have elaborated that. That's true. Like should have elaborated that that conversation generally was if they're going to get in, they have to apply early decision, that is going to be their only option for potential admissions. To your point, you still need to be able to caught the mustard and that determination is still going to be made against the population of applicants that are in that pool, right? Yeah. All right. Regular decisions, pretty straightforward, non binding, usually happens kind of end of December, early January. Pretty straightforward. You know, if you're a little bit later in the process and your commitment happens a little bit later or you're still making some decisions on where you want to go, you know that regular decision deadline is, is a usable option. Yeah. Anything you got there.
• 20:45
  Speaker C: Now I usually find out early March and then you'll have until May, usually early to the middle of May to let the school know where you're going.
• 20:56
  Speaker B: Put your deposit down.
• 20:58
  Speaker C: Yeah, same thing still, you can still appeal financially and all the other stuff. But no, that's about it then.
• 21:06
  Speaker B: The only other one for four year schools that's really relative is probably the rolling admissions, which given the title is probably somewhat straightforward. You can kind of apply whenever and get a determination on your, your admissions process. Some schools have it, some schools don't. But you know, you can apply anywhere in the application window and basically get a determination as to whether or not you're going to get into that school or not. This can be particularly useful for like if you're a 20, 26 and you don't get heavily recruited this fall, you don't have a place to go. But you go into the spring and you end up having a really, really good season and you start to get some interest there. The rolling admissions deadline can come into play. And I think that's from a recruiting standpoint that's probably the most likely scenario where you get a kid who kind of pops and becomes recruitable a little bit later and gets on somebody's radar and they say hey, you know, we'd like you to come here. You've already applied to some schools but don't have a dead set destination. You can get your application in via rolling admissions and potentially open the door that way. But something to just be aware of that, that is a Thing it's out there. Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker C: And I think that there's some schools, not all, but I. There are some schools that do not do rolling admissions on a first year student basis, but they do have rolling admissions on a transfer student basis. Some have hard deadlines for transfers, but some will have, you know, like, hey, we have rolling admissions from a transfer standpoint. So, you know, whether or not it's a four year school, you know, four year to four year or maybe it's two to four, whatever it might be, like some of those schools will have rolling admissions from a transfer standpoint where, you know, same kind of thing. Maybe I, you know, went to school, didn't love it and it was the wrong fit and I, you know, I missed some deadlines at some of these other schools, but, you know, these five or six have rolling and I can just apply and, you know, maybe see how my summer goes or just, you know, continue to just do it right away and see if I get in.
• 23:35
  Speaker B: Anything else you want to add on the admissions process here, coach?
• 23:40
  Speaker C: Just make sure that you. The only thing I'll add is that if you're applying to specialized programs, one, just make sure, you know, if there's any supplemental materials that go with it, like if you want to be an architect, you might have to submit some art or if you want to be an artist or a music major or something of the, like, you might have to submit some semblance of a portfolio, if you will, as part of your application as well. So just make sure that you know all the stuff it is that you need to apply so your ducks in a row and get your stuff in and, and your decision back as quickly as possible.
• 24:23
  Speaker B: Fair enough. I think the only thing that I'll add, and we've mentioned this on a couple podcasts recently, even if you're committed, you've got a place that you're going to call home. Do not half ass the application. Do it at the highest level you can. Write a good essay, get all your supplements in, get your recommendations, get all that stuff lined up, make sure you check all the boxes. Do not throw an unnecessary wrench in this process by not checking those boxes. I mean, if you're, if you're listening to this now in the middle of August and you've already got a place to play and you're committed, awesome. You got plenty of time to get your ducks in a row. Don't wait until the last week of October to start pulling this stuff together. Start writing your essay, start filling out the common app or the coalition app. Like get ahead of this process because it will sneak up on you as soon as you get into high school. And you don't want to have to deal with the stresses of trying to get this done and wrangle teachers for recommendations. You don't want to have to do that kind of stuff. So get ahead of it if you can.
• 25:29
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 25:30
  Speaker B: Anything else you want to add?
• 25:33
  Speaker C: Fail the plan. Plan to fail.
• 25:36
  Speaker B: Words of wisdom from Coach Glass. We might have Wisdom Wednesday. Moving forward on social media, we'll just have snippets from Coach Glass, the musings musings of Coach Glasser. Measure once, cut twice.
• 25:53
  Speaker C: Oh, good one.
• 25:55
  Speaker B: Good one. Your dad would kill me if he heard me say that.
• 25:59
  Speaker C: Good one.
• 26:00
  Speaker B: Yeah. All right. Well, thank you everybody for listening. Tune in next week. We'll talk to you then. Thanks, everybody. Thank you for listening this week. If you're watching on YouTube, go ahead and hit that subscribe button and smash that like button for us. Check us out on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, as well as Spotify. You can follow us on Twitter and Instagram MDBaseball. If you want to find out what me and Keith do to help families and players navigate the recruiting process, go ahead and check us out on emdbaseball.com take a few minutes to check out our new online academy. I promise you'll get some good information out of that. Thanks again for listening. Check in with you next week.