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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-21-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Shawn ESPN seven hundred to
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  Speaker 2: ninety two one.
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  Speaker 1: I f M.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us, As is always the case,
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  Speaker 2: should be a fun show. Today, we've got Gordy chiasa.
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  Speaker 1: Lebron James will not be rushed.
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  Speaker 2: Don't try to rush him, don't try to force it,
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  Speaker 2: don't boss around King James.
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  Speaker 1: Sammy Moore is gonna swing by.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk a little Utah football as they are just
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  Speaker 2: days away from opening fall camp here in Morgan Scalley's
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  Speaker 2: first go as the head coach, and Amy Hoague, member
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  Speaker 2: of the nineteen ninety one women's softball team that is
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  Speaker 2: being inducted into the Utah Athletics Hall of Fame. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk a little bit with Amy Hoag in our one
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  Speaker 2: o'clock hour. James Peterson is behind the glass, as is
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  Speaker 2: always the case, or at least we try to make
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  Speaker 2: sure it's always the case here. And we've got a
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  Speaker 2: lot to talk about as SEC media days continue, and
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  Speaker 2: the SEC likes to be thought the thought shapers and
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  Speaker 2: the trend makers in college football, and they're hilariously watching
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  Speaker 2: that status sort of slip between their fingers because the
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten is now the most powerful conference in college athletics,
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  Speaker 2: and the panic reaction slash reaction.
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  Speaker 1: Has been.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting to observe because, look, we've been here before.
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  Speaker 1: We know what this feels like.
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  Speaker 2: University of Utah football fans watched the Pac twelve go
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  Speaker 2: from being this like heritage, powerful, incredible brand to being
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  Speaker 2: nothing to hopefully this year being some like mere shadow
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  Speaker 2: of its former self. But it's a it's a slippery
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  Speaker 2: slope in college athletics. It's the terrible time for some people.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great time for others. It's a neutral slash
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  Speaker 2: scary time. I think for teams in the Big twelve conference,
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  Speaker 2: where there's reasons for optimism, but there's probably also reasons
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  Speaker 2: for fear. The SEC is actually, you know, they don't
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  Speaker 2: know how good they have it, probably because it can
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  Speaker 2: always be a lot worse. It can always be a
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  Speaker 2: lot scarier, it can always be a lot more difficult.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Somewhere, George Khliovkov is trying some like new brand. He's
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  Speaker 2: now he started his own company, right and he's watching
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  Speaker 2: Greg sank Sounds come out on ESPN and having a
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  Speaker 2: little chuckle to himself, like, this guy has no idea
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  Speaker 2: how scary it is. This guy has no idea what
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  Speaker 2: it's like to watch the conference beneath you crumble and
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  Speaker 2: for everyone to blame you for it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to happen to the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: The SEC is not anywhere near danger of collapsing or
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  Speaker 2: really of even losing its status. I mean, the status
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  Speaker 2: that had already lost was number one conference in college football.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not like it's not reattainable for the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: If the SEC wins a couple more recruiting battles and
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  Speaker 2: wins a national championship this year, then they climb back
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  Speaker 2: on to the top of the heap for bragging rights.
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  Speaker 1: They get the phone calls, they get.
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  Speaker 2: The number one billing on all these networks that right
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  Speaker 2: now are trying to flip a coin and decide whether
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  Speaker 2: they're going to talk more about Michigan and Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: or Alabama and Georgia. Right, it's just it's not bad
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  Speaker 2: in the SEC, but they're kind of like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We did our PFL event this past weekend on the
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  Speaker 2: campus of University of Texas. It was at the Moody
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  Speaker 2: Center where the basketball team plays. That arena is nicer
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  Speaker 2: than the Delta Center. It's not bigger, it's not as big.
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  Speaker 2: But when you walk like in the bowels of that thing,
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  Speaker 2: like the stuff that's not even public facing, right, it's
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  Speaker 2: for it's the tunnels between locker rooms, where the workers are,
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  Speaker 2: where the student athletes and the coaches are. Every single
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  Speaker 2: bell and whistle is there on a college campus. It
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  Speaker 2: was absurd, like they have you know, you know how
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  Speaker 2: people have that that jellyfish lighting or whatever it's called.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's a bunch of different brands, but they
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  Speaker 1: put it on They.
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  Speaker 2: Put a permanent permanent Christmas lights. Yeah, they put it
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  Speaker 2: on their you know, gutters and on their gables or
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  Speaker 2: permanent Christmas lights, which means you can make them Saint
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  Speaker 2: Patrick's day lights, you can makely lights, arbor day lights, which.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, you know, it's kind of a thing.
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  Speaker 1: They have those.
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  Speaker 2: They have those like in the hallways between the maintenance
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  Speaker 2: closet in the bathroom at the Moody Center.
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  Speaker 1: It's like.
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  Speaker 2: It's lighting that they can adjust the output of to.
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  Speaker 2: It was all pfl stuff. They have these video board walls. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you're walking in the maintenance tunnel, James and the walls
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  Speaker 2: are video boards displaying PFL main events, Sung gonn Eye,
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Eblin, I'm just like, what the heck is this place?
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  Speaker 2: And that's Texas, right, And Texas was a Big twelve team,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously they're like one of those, they're they're one
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  Speaker 2: of the big boy kind of programs in all of
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  Speaker 2: college sports. But they're an SEC team now and I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, man, this is wild. And listen, you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: just how close the SEC is for being the SEC again.
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  Speaker 2: Right in football in particular, Texas has the roster to
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  Speaker 2: just go out and win a national championship this year.
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  Speaker 2: They've had the roster the last three or four years,
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  Speaker 2: so they're Yeah, Texas being in the SEC really has
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  Speaker 2: really helped them. Just looked up the capacity by the
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  Speaker 2: way of the Moody Center, it's only a couple thousand
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  Speaker 2: less than the Delta Center. It's fifteen thousand, So it's
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  Speaker 2: not that far off from the pro basketball arena we
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  Speaker 2: have here. It sounds like it might be even nicerly,
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  Speaker 2: and it is there effectively, it is their pro basketball
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  Speaker 2: arena because as of now they don't have a pro
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  Speaker 2: basketball team, although they've thrown their hat in there. For
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  Speaker 2: potential hockey expansion. Yeah, so maybe basketball eventually too. I
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  Speaker 2: mean Austin Moody Center could be adapted for NHL hockey.
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  Speaker 2: If they don't build their own, they probably would build
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  Speaker 2: their own. They would eventually, but that's where you would
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  Speaker 2: put it in the meantime, and everyone would look around
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  Speaker 2: and just be like, this is a pro arena, because
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  Speaker 2: it's treated like.
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  Speaker 1: A pro arena.
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  Speaker 2: When a big concert act goes to Austin, Texas, they're
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  Speaker 2: playing at the Moody Center, So it's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: this hybrid space. But the point is right, the SEC
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  Speaker 2: is doing their media days and the keeping up with
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  Speaker 2: the Joneses game that has happened for years and years
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  Speaker 2: and years and years in the SEC. I didn't go
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  Speaker 2: to Atlanta last week. I didn't go to Tuscaloosa last week.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm using Texas as the example. But like they
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  Speaker 2: have to keep up with one another so aggressively that
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  Speaker 2: you can almost justify taking your eye off the ball
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  Speaker 2: and looking at it and going like, oh, yikes, look
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  Speaker 2: what happened in the Big ten? Like they just got
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  Speaker 2: all these great things going on and they're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be fine.
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  Speaker 2: The most predictable thing ever was that at this SEC
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  Speaker 2: media day there was going to be so conversation about, hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you support the Protect College Sports Act? Do you
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  Speaker 2: support a certain college football playoff expansion? Do you support
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  Speaker 2: a specific model for NIL regulation?
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  Speaker 1: Do you?
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  Speaker 2: And the SEC again fancies themselves as sort of the
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  Speaker 2: leaders here that the thought shapers to where, well, what
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  Speaker 2: we want is this. Now, everybody get on board and
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  Speaker 2: get in line. They're in a different spot because they're
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  Speaker 2: having their media days after the ACC media days, after
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  Speaker 2: the big twelve media days, so everyone else has kind
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  Speaker 2: of already voiced their opinion on this, and the opinion
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  Speaker 2: is just that it's not going to create any concrete
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  Speaker 2: change by itself. But the SEC wants to be in
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  Speaker 2: that position where they're like, this is what we want,
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  Speaker 2: And the subtext at this SEC media days in Tampa
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  Speaker 2: is this is what we want to happen.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we hope happens.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, if it doesn't look something
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  Speaker 2: like this, we have the option and we're keeping the
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  Speaker 2: option open of just exiting, just seceeding from the union,
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  Speaker 2: just pulling out, which might be indelicate of me to
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  Speaker 2: say it that way since we're talking about the Southeastern Conference.
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  Speaker 2: But SC seeding, that's the headline SC sension that James,
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  Speaker 2: you you just wrote everyone's head session SEC all in
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  Speaker 2: capital letters and then you you finish se seeding from
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  Speaker 2: college football. That's what it is. But I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there's any real danger of this right now. This is
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  Speaker 2: this is peacocking, this is posturing, this is whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: it's still something that we will keep half an ear
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  Speaker 2: and half an eye on the SEC. How they compete
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  Speaker 2: this year very similar to well, I shouldn't say very
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  Speaker 2: similar on the same vein at least of how the
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  Speaker 2: Big Twelve does this year in the College Football Playoff
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  Speaker 2: as a twelve team format. If again this year it's
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  Speaker 2: a one bid league like we anticipated being, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: tell you a lot about what the Big Twelve.
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  Speaker 1: Wants from the future of college football.
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  Speaker 2: If the SEC is out of the conference, out of
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  Speaker 2: the National Championship game again this year, it's gonna tell
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  Speaker 2: you a lot about what they want from college football
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  Speaker 2: moving forward. If Texas is there, or LSU is there,
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  Speaker 2: or Georgia's there or Ole Miss Hasty pretty incredible roster
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  Speaker 2: this year. Like if any of those teams are there,
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  Speaker 2: then similarly, your predictive model can be like, Okay, well
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  Speaker 2: I know what they're going to say postseason springball, offseason
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  Speaker 2: media days, because now they're back at or near the top,
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  Speaker 2: even if even if they have a team in the
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  Speaker 2: championship game. It's different than this last season where all
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  Speaker 2: of us kind of dancing on the grave, just like,
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  Speaker 2: oh what happened to you?
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  Speaker 1: Sec? I thought, it just means more, where are you
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  Speaker 1: guys at?
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  Speaker 2: You had all these teams in the field, and you
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  Speaker 2: had all these teams complaining about not being in the field,
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  Speaker 2: while James Madison was there, and Tulane was there and
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech was there, but even your best teams didn't
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  Speaker 2: advance to to do like it's it's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the spectators making fun of the pro athletes in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: where you're just.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what's wrong with you? You just got Rudy Gobert just
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  Speaker 1: blocked your shot. Why aren't you crying? You just get
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  Speaker 1: dunked down.
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  Speaker 2: Loser, And you know the pro athletes like rolling his eyes, like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? You work a regular nine
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  Speaker 2: to five and I'm gonna get on a private plane
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  Speaker 2: with a five course meal in front of me in
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  Speaker 2: ten minutes like so there's a little bit of that
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  Speaker 2: when you're dancing on the grave of the SEC. However,
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  Speaker 2: it's worth keeping an eye on because if they get
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  Speaker 2: more and more petulant, and if they get more and
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  Speaker 2: more frustrated with what's going on in college football specifically,
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  Speaker 2: but college sports in general, they do have the potential
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  Speaker 2: power to.
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  Speaker 1: Really cause a lot of upset.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, this will be the last thing I say
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  Speaker 2: about SEC media days. Weirdly, I think that it is
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  Speaker 2: in the best interest of the University of Utah, and
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  Speaker 2: of BYU by extension, and of the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: Big Twelve by extension, to actually get on board with
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  Speaker 2: some of the things that the SEC is resisting about
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  Speaker 2: to Protect College Sports Act. A lot of times the
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  Speaker 2: SEC is acting in its own interest and with some
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  Speaker 2: sort of veiled like ally interest that also favors the
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten, like doesn't really do much for the ACC
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  Speaker 2: certainly does almost nothing thing for the Big Twelve In
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  Speaker 2: most of the policies that the SEC wants to support
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  Speaker 2: the way that they're pushing back on certain aspects of
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  Speaker 2: the Protect College Sports Acts, with the most salient and
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  Speaker 2: important ones being the expansion limitations the expansion rules. That's
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  Speaker 2: something that if you're a Utah fan, you're actually like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Greg Sankee, I hate ninety nine percent of the things
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  Speaker 2: that you say, but I vote in support of this
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  Speaker 2: particular clause that you are pushing back. You don't want
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  Speaker 2: to limit on eighteen or nineteen or even twenty teams
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  Speaker 2: in these super conferences. You don't want a five year
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  Speaker 2: forced independence if you do move from conference to conference.
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  Speaker 2: You want there to be a little bit more flexibility
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  Speaker 2: and mobility in the eventual landscape.
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  Speaker 1: If you're Utah, you need for that rule to not
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  Speaker 1: be put.
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  Speaker 2: In place because if somehow it passes through and we
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  Speaker 2: talked about this a little but yesterday, if to Protect
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  Speaker 2: College Sports Act passed as proposed, and you would have
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  Speaker 2: to serve this five year penalty before you could transfer.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, you're probably not going to get
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  Speaker 2: invited anyway, because we're capping these leagues at nineteen teams.
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  Speaker 2: You are sentenced to purgatory in college sports for the
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  Speaker 2: indefinite future. It's not hell all right. You're not a
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  Speaker 2: Mount West Conference team, you're not a new Pac twelve team,
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  Speaker 2: you're not the Conference USA team that eventually those guys
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  Speaker 2: are all going to have to be like, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: we have to play in the spring. Now we have
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  Speaker 2: to do something else. We can't be expected to compete.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna no longer have Alabama on our scheduled period.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to go and play preseason games against Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: It's getting to a point where it's absurd and ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, the conferences, the big conferences, are
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  Speaker 2: eliminating those types of games year by year. Anyway, It's
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  Speaker 2: not unlike the way that the IVY League a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago was like, yeah, we're not going we voluntarily
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  Speaker 2: choose not to be part of big time college athletics. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we and for obvious reasons, they're like, we want to
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  Speaker 2: keep it about academics, which of course if you're an
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  Speaker 2: IVY League school. But yeah, in a different way, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be playing it a They're not going to
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  Speaker 2: be banished to FCS type play, these these group of five,
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  Speaker 2: group of six schools, but they will be They will
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  Speaker 2: decidedly not be even in the zip code of the
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  Speaker 2: power for zip code, by the way, is the right
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  Speaker 2: way to put it, because the most visible representation that
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  Speaker 2: all of us have in resource disparity is your zip code?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We know who you are, we know your background, we
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  Speaker 2: know your job, we know your finance. In a lot
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  Speaker 2: of cases is based on your zip code. Right, all
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  Speaker 2: of us know it. Like, Oh, what neighborhood do you
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  Speaker 2: live in?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations, Wow you were like that europlastic surgeon. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know you're an attorney. Wow, good for you. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sorry I wasn't familiar with your game, right I I uh.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the one of the things I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: about the Avenues. By the way I live in the avenues.
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  Speaker 2: You could tell people you live in the avenues and
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  Speaker 2: they're just they're just like, oh, because there's parts, right,
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  Speaker 2: you don't know that you have to narrow it down.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be like, which avenue, what part of
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  Speaker 2: the avenues, And if you're trying to impress, you'll be
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  Speaker 2: like this part, and if you're trying to be like mysterious,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be like just the avenues, because like great neighborhood,
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  Speaker 2: but eclectic, quite a mix some different things, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? Based on how high on the hill
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  Speaker 2: you are is a lot of the way. So something
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  Speaker 2: I would never understand so just another way that you
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  Speaker 2: are just way, you're just at a higher level than me.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's it's but that's the thing is you don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's a higher level or not.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like that's exactly what people from the avenue
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  Speaker 2: is like say.
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  Speaker 1: Like, which avenue are we on here?
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  Speaker 2: Like, because I mean there's a there's a bunch of like,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's a broad range in a broad mix. If
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  Speaker 2: you tell people you live in Pepperwood, they're just like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's no small houses there, there's no cheap houses there,
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  Speaker 2: there's no apartment buildings there. So it says something about it.
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  Speaker 2: So this is why I Spence Check. It's as a
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  Speaker 2: man of the people, and you are Sean O'Connell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, the but the zip code of college football, right,
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  Speaker 2: we know what the zip code of the Big ten
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  Speaker 2: looks like. Even even the cheapest house on the block,
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  Speaker 2: even the Maryland You're just like, yeah, dude, you have
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  Speaker 2: a bad house, but you drive nice cars. Were living
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  Speaker 2: right over here in the best way that we can
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  Speaker 2: over here in the Scataway Rushers Universities. When someone's just like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: we're in the sec zip code you're just like, WHOA,
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  Speaker 2: okayre you Arkansas, because that's not great.
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  Speaker 1: But you live in a trailer park.
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  Speaker 2: You still you have two boats though, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so there's like there's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of double wide.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways that that zip code thing applies,
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  Speaker 2: and the SEC is always going to be a league
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  Speaker 2: that you keep your eye on it, or at least for me,
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  Speaker 2: I'll keep my ear on what they're what they say.
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  Speaker 2: Because trickle down economics and more importantly trickle down power,
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  Speaker 2: power plays, power dynamics absolutely do exist in college sports.
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  Speaker 2: And for one of the biggest challenges I think for
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  Speaker 2: Brett Yormark and for the ACC commissioners and athletic directors
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  Speaker 2: and stuff, and for Mark Harlan and company, one of
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  Speaker 2: the biggest challenges of the position they're in right now
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  Speaker 2: is knowing the appropriate amount of pushback, the appropriate amount
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  Speaker 2: of resistance, the appropriate amount of compliance to show SANK
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  Speaker 2: and the SEC to show the big ten because you
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  Speaker 2: can't just be like, yeah, what they want is find
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  Speaker 2: for us as long as we get invited to the party.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do that, or you're creating this parent child relationship.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're too resistant, if you're too obstinate. If
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  Speaker 2: you push back, just based on principle, if you're not
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  Speaker 2: realistic about your place and self aware about your position
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  Speaker 2: in the power ladder of college sports, then they will
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: crush you. They will put you under their gold clad thumb,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and they will press down until you're suffocated. And there
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: are mechanisms that the SEC wants to maintain in order
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to be able to do that. So that's the other
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: thing about this. If you're the president of the University
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of Utah, you're the athletic director at the University of Utah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: you're the head coach of the football team, the head
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: coach of the basketball team. Right, you're dynamic with the SEC,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and more importantly, with the SEC. Leadership and decision making
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: has to be markedly different than your commissioners, because your
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: commissioner has to be like, let's do what's best for
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: all of us and for your athletic department and your university.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: You have a little bit of that, but mostly you
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: should be like, what's in our self interest?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no secret that conversations happen, at least
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: on an exploratory level for what would it look like
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: if we were to join the Big ten. What would
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: it look like if a super conference happened? How do
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: we get on the right side of that line? Brett
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: yor Mark is the George Kleiovkov in this situation where
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: he's just like, Nope, nope, nope.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: We're hanging on.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: We're hanging on, We're clinging, we're desperate, we're squeezing. We
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: we have an alliance. We have an alliance with the ACC.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: There's no contractual obligation here, there's no signatures on paper,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: but it's a gentleman's agreement. We looked each other in
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the eye. That's We're not even making that up for
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: effect for those that forgot, that's really actually said, we
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: looked each other in the eye. That's that's enough of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: an agreement. That's as binding as it needs to be.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So the SEC, as we're talking about their expectations relative
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to the Protect College Sports Act, I listen to this
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and think about it with two things. Two filters on
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: your ears for the Big twelve? What works for the
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: University of Utah?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: What works right?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: The SEC offered ten common sense suggestion. That's selling it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: They're calling him common sense suggestions. That's yes, that's what
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: they call him okay, okay, Thomas Paine. That's according to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: what they say, and then it's based on four key principles,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: which makes it a little bit more confusing. Football one
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: of their key their core principles. Did we ever get
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: any explanation on that? Did we ever get any clarification?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Did anyone ask any follow up question?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: No one did.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason why is because
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: because Brett Yormark's opening address went in so many different
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: directions that I think by the time he was done
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and it was, you know, twenty ish minutes, people were like, people, remember,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember all that what he actually said,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: because he went in so many different directions with that,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: people had completely lost the fact that he said flag
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: football at the beginning of his it's a core principle
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: of a core tenant whatever term he used of the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Big twelve conference, that had to be some he just misspoke, right,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think he did. I think that he was going.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I think he was thinking, like, we're the NFL. You know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the NFL is like they have they have put out
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: there that we, yes, we are obligated to grow the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: game at the grassroots level too, so that's why that's
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: why flag football is important to us. I think he
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was trying to think along those same lines and express
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: those same lines, but it just doesn't make sense for
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve conference. I'm going with he was he
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: got a tongue tied with something about like flagship programs
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: football and ended up saying flag football because it makes
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: zero sense.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: But we don't need to backtrack that far.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That was in the side and in any case, the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: SEC has ten common sense suggestions to Congress to improve
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the Protect College Sports Act, but they're really four things.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Enforceable national standards.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, we can all get on board with this through
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve lens and the SEC lens.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Enforceable national standards, clear rules that apply across the board
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: on the national front and are enforceable, meaning you can't
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: just go to a judge, you can't go to a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: state's attorney and have them create an injunction. They want
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: federal precedent to be set. Okay, we can all get
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: on board with this. And that's where clause number two
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: comes in. State law preemption limit state laws that circumvent
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the rules that you put in place, limit them, right,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Now we saw this play out with the Brendan Sowsby
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: situation right where they basically just went and called a
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: bunch of people until they found a semi retired judge
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that was just like yeah injunction. Granted, they literally were
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: just like, can you do it? No, I'm not gonna
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: touch that. What about you, Well, you'll do that?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: No.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: How many judges are there? How many justices are there
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: in the United States of America? Thousands and thousands?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Appeals Court, you have Circuit Court, you have Supreme courts
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: in every state and the one in the land.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: It's just so many.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this other retired ones and active ones, this other
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: one is just hilarious. Principal number three that the SEC
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: wants to center on transparency and accountability. Now we can
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: rewind less than a decade ago where there was zero
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: transparency in where some of the money was coming from
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: for coaches, players, programs in the SEC, and accountability was
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a matter of basically waiting until cam Newton's style investigation
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: lost its luster in the news cycle right where it
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: was just like, so, wait.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Was it determined that you was it determined that you
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: gave bags of cash for cam Newton to be at Auburn,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: yes or no?
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: That investigation dragged on for like three years, and then
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the average college sports fan, if you ask him today,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: would just be like, what was the ruling on?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: That was the official NCAA ruling on that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: All of us would kind of shrug and just be like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's generally accepted that that probably happened, but
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: there was no real sanction for it. Remember when Laramie
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Tunsel got like bribed by his stepdad on the day
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: of the draft or whatever, Yeah, and was asked about it,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: like he was not bribe blackmailed kind of with the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the gas mask bong, and then he decided to just
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: come clean, just clear the air, and five minutes after
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: he's out of college, he's just like, yeah, if I
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: needed money, I just went to my position coach and said, hey,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: mom's got to pay the bills, and somebody took care
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: of it. And everyone was just like, Oh, that's weird
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: that he's admitting that. Anyway, look the other way. Yeah, right,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So the SEC saying that they want accountability is quite hilarious,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: but I applaud their efforts in making us think that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: they're serious about common sense principle. By the way, do
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you have a guess and how many real quick, how
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: many judges there are? I just I found the approximate
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: number thirteen thousand. There are thirty thousand state judges approximately,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and approximately seventeen hundred federal judges.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, so according to the University of Denver.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So let's say that the Protect College Sports Act and
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the the SEC suggestions are enough for them to be like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you know what, Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's preempt
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: state law that likely removes the influence or at least
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: severely diminishes the influence of those thirty thousand estimated state justices.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: But there's still seventeen hundred federal level judges that you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: now could potentially I mean, that is what a legal nightmare.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe really what college football and really the big conferences
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: need or the eventual superconference needs is an anti trust
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: exemption like the NFL's got, where everyone is just like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: h we're not like, let these other leagues try to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: compete like it's they don't have a to my knowledge,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: they don't have it, like a literal on paper anti
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: trust exemption, but they are a monopoly a monopoly. I
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: learned about this recently. The league's pro sports leagues do
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: have anti trust exemptions, which is why they have unions
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: players unions. So anti trust comes comes with collective bargaining agreement,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: which means unions for players, referees, coaches, whatever, which goes
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: all the way back to the sports broad all the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: way back to nineteen sixty one because the struggling league,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: they were just like, we have to do something for
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: them so that their games will stay on broadcast television.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Which is another hilarious thing because what has happened in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: They're going off of broadcasts.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: They're going off of regular old broadcast television.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Now you've got to have the streaming service.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: You got to have the Amazon Prime Netflix sooner than later.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: All that anyway, the SEC's core principles behind the ten
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: common Sense Suggestions finish with preserve voluntary decision making, maintain
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: fair standards without overly mandating specific organizational outcomes. So principal
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: number one is, hey, we want uniformity and clear rules
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: that apply to everyone. And principal number four is, but
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: still make sure that you're not mandating everything, and you
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: allow us to maintain sovereignty over our decision making as
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: conferences in individual universities.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: That is going to be a significant rub. Right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: We want Congress, the United States government, to step in
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and create a standard that everyone has to live by
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and that cannot be threatened in state courts. But also
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: we don't want you telling us what to do. I
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: feel like this happens on a daily basis at my
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: home where my kids want to be left to play.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: They want to be left to like create their own
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: little lord of the fly's kingdom in the playroom.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: But then when someone receives or is at the receiving
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: end of a grave injustice, what's the first thing they do?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: They call for mom and dad. They want mom and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: dad to enforce the sharing rule. They want him, Yeah, like.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: She won't give me that toy, that's my toy.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's just like, all right, you guys have to share.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, oh, yes see, you got to share,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: so give it to me. No, no, you both have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to share, so you have to take turns with it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: They're like what, No, No, they're supposed.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: To be but no, I don't want to have to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: share there. They are supposed to share here, right, I.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Feel like that's what the SEC is doing to some extent,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll keep an eye on it. SEC media
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: days continue today. The Big twelve is not operating.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: In a vacuum.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It is influenced very heavily by everything that comes out
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: of SEC and Big ten media days, and more importantly
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the decision makers that speak there. Gordy Chiays is going
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: to join us. We've got Sammy Morris still to come.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: We've got Amy Hoag. We're getting started on a Tuesday.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven ninety two ONEm.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Peace Out.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy. Come for the hoops talk. Stay
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: for his list of the day.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Our list today, here's o C with Basketball sob on
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Gordy Chiasa on The Sean O'Connell Show.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to the Seat O'Connell show.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Welcome in, Gordy chias are resident NBA.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Guru Hi Gordy showing how's it going?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: That's going all right, I want to start with something
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: we just hit on in James's update. The commissioner of
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the NBA has expressed some interest in hurrying Lebron James
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: along because his lack of a decision so far makes
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: them feel like, you know, it's hard to schedule, which
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I think we could push back on pretty significantly if
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: we wanted to. But is Lebron's destination that important that
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the NBA doesn't already kind of know where the star
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: power is in their league.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: The answer is no, that they're going to wait to Lebron,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: and the reason why it's usually is going to go
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: to probably a team that might go deep into playoffs,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: all right, So it could be the Cavaliers, possibly could
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: be the seventy six ers, could be the Mammy Heat,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: which then would add to them going deeper into playoffs.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: And an outside situation could be the Golden State Warriors
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: for all those older guys, one last run because because
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: we're all basically friends via the Olympics and that we
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: think we could surprise people. So it's held up. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: also add to that, showing the Christmas package, you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Christmas Day. Basically it's the opening part of the NBA
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: season where they showcase seven games and they're waiting for
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Lebron to see where he goes where they maneuver those games.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: So it's unheard of that only one player holds it up,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: but I can see why they're doing it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So Lebron has expressed the opinion that he's not going
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to be rushed by anybody. He's going to take a
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: sweet time, and I suppose he has earned that right here.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: My question is like, what does the courtship process look
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like at this moment?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: You know, he kind of knows what everyone else has.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: For the most part, I think we all have at
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: least some strong opinion about who's going to win and
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: who's not. He probably has a good idea of who
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: are contenders without him and who could be sincere contenders
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: with him. This is not going to be a salary
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: based decision by all accounts.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So what are the teams?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: What are the teams using to make a case for
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Lebron to come there right now?
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Anthem with the players comfortable? In other words, those veteran
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: players that he knows for a long time, that he
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: keeps talking to them about something behind the scenes, that
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: they could tell him that maybe he didn't know about
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: So it's more just being comfortable. This last contract will
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: be will be done. The next two years, we'll put
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: in twenty five seasons in the NBA, and so that's
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: why it's important, and I would really the team I
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: like the most is the seventy six ers because they
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: have Terteries Maxi, who's very good, and Joel Embiid, which
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: is the X factor. When he's healthy, he is tremendous.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Let's not forget Joel Embiid. He's averaging twenty seven points
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: per game for his career and so he gives him
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: a low post option. The problem again, he's been hurt
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: last year. Joel Embiid played the most consecutive games last
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: season with six, so that is a concern. So with
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: the seventy six ers, with Terrey Maxi being absolutely a
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: star player and with Jellen Brown being there another star player.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: They had a Dean Way from the Cavaliers who's a
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: good outside shoot, all around player, and then with VJ. Edgecombe,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: they have a young star. It's probably the best basketball
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: to fit that and possibly they heat because of Gianni's
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: being there. So there's so many reasons why he should
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: go to certain teams, and again it's more feeling how
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: he feels with the teammates in the last two years
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: of his career.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: When you say the seventy six ers or maybe the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: best basketball fit, what percentage of that being the best
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: fit is with Joe l Embiid healthy versus not? Because
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: if I'm Lebron, that's a big part of this decision.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: If I feel like I could win championship there as
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: long as Joel is healthy, I have to believe that
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: he's going to be mostly healthy. So how much of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the fit that you're talking about is attached to a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: healthy Joel Embiid.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Dramatically if fit? The answer is yes, that if we
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: knew Father's time what would happen, it would be done already.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: And just trying to get all information about Joel Embiid,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: either talking directly or talking to people that are around him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Joel Embiid, you know, hous his work, ethics, but if
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: it does get hurt as he come back, these are
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: all things they're just trying to outsource the people that
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: he trusts so he can make a better decision. And
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: also Jimmy Butler also with the Warriors, you know Jimmy.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Jimmy's hurt right now, is coming back probably sometime in December,
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: and what is he going to play like as far
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: as his skill set, injuries, et cetera. The recovery time
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: is a role. Again, He's all question marks and Lebron
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: has to try to figure it out. Like money is
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: no issue. He's probably going to sign for the veteran
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: minimum of three point eight eight million dollars, so money
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: is absolutely no issue as far as his point of view,
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: and also the salary cap structure or luxury tex it's
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: irrelevant right now in this situation. So it's exciting. We'll
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: see how it all plays out. Lebron still at each forty,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: it'll be forty two in December. He's still an elite player.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: He can really he can score twenty nine in a
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: playoff game to hold off the opponent to win by one.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: And that's why those three four teams I mentioned, that's
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: the reason why they want them.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm asking this question because it matters
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: in every other case, and it probably matters here, but
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much. But he's Lebron James, and
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: he could be the head coach of whatever team he's
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: on if he wanted to. So how much does the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: fit with the coach matter?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Here?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: We know that in LA he was kind of able
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to put who he wanted in place, and if you're
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: only signing for two years at the end of your career,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think a franchise is going to give you
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: that kind of latitude anymore. So when you look at Minnesota, Cleveland,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Golden State, seventy six ers and all these options. Obviously Miami,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: he's very familiar down there. Like, how much does the
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: coach matter in this decision?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think?
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Not as much? Truly not, because he's going to go
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: to a veteran team where the players somewhat are self
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: directed team internally, which is absolutely critical, and that's most
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: teams that have vetteran players. The head coach is absolutely
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: in charge of leadership, but the internal part of it
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: where the teammates where they really police themselves, whether it's
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: whether it's training habits, whether it's curfew, whether on a
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: four game losing streak, that they all come together for
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: a meeting and say, what's going on here? When I'm
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: move in the ball, we're not playing help to help defense.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: So the coach with these type of players, they really
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: are on the floor coaching, So it doesn't it's not
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: as relevant as far as importance versus a younger team
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: where the coach is absolutely critical, as far as development,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: good habits steep Now with Steve Curtive Warriors, he knows
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: him very well. Eric exposed them of the heat. He
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: knows very well. Nick Nurse in a good way is
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: a wild card, so he doesn't really know him as well.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: But Nick Nurse is absolutely tremendous coach. He's a really
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: great communicator, and he's got a he has a he's
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: got a personality a good way where he lets the
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: stars be stars and he never overacts even though he's
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: emotional in a good way. He fights with his players
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: on the sideline. So sheld be very interesting.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: If you're an opposing GM, an opposing owner and opposing
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: coach and Lebron ends up in your division and even
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: in your conference in the Eastern Conference, right we're seeing
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: teams and I think the Jazz had some of this
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in their mind, you know, building their roster. You're seeing like, hey,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: you have to counteract what the other contenders in your
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: space have. Is Lebron still a big enough factor of
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: wherever he lands, that roster construction around him or in
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the other teams around the league and the other teams
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: around the conference and the division will potentially change to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: try to counteract Lebron's presence.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: No, not right now, not at age forty two. No,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: the answer is no, he's a tremendous player, but they
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: wouldn't try to just counteract him.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Do.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Only people trying to counteract this Victor Wembiampa because he
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: is such an oddity in a great way, So you
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: have to get big guys to try to match up
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: with him. That's big guys that have mobile feet that
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: can be able to guard him out on perimeter. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: so Lebron right now, it's not. But again the seventy
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: six is with Jael and Brown being there, who's a
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: tremendous two way player, and so is Lebron, so is
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Tari Maxi and Joel Embiid when he's healthy, and so
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: and so is young VJ. Edgecombe that they have a
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: really great roster the seventy six ers, and if Lebrin
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: did go there, it will be advantageous for him to
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: try to attempt again to win a championship. It's winning
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: is so hard in the NBA. There's so many factors
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: that are involved. There's so many ups and downs in
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: the postseason where one or two players could turn around
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: your season by for example, we're praising the Knickerbockers, but
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: the Spurs in those five game series, they lost some
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: of those games that were self inflicted themselves where they
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: were up, you know, fourteen sixteen points and they weren't
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: able to watch hold on a lead. Was it the
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: nixt great defense, was it John Brunston, brilliant usually in
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. Yes, However, from the Spurs point of view,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: they lost those games that were themselves and then they're
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: going to try to correct it. Thunder Here in the West, also,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: they're saying game seven that we are Jaalen Williams full force.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: As far as last season, gul To knocked out the
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: upstart Spurs. So again we'll see in Jazz basketball they're
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: trying to get their young talent and to a defensive mindset,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: and so in Jazz point of view, as far as
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: they're moving up in the standings, they've got to address
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: that defensive lack of Philip blankson whether it's brow containment,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: whether it's what getting to the corner, the challenge of
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: three point shot, whether it's not playing consistent, help to
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: help the defense is all little These all little slash
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: big things that will will help a team win. And
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: it's again it's most times when teams win. It's it's
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: the almost like the invisible things where a team win.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: The nuances of a certain things short like in football
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: when when the running backs what cracked somebody as far
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: as on the edge rushers to get the quarterback extra
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: what second to what step into a throw? Little things
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: help to help a defense. Little things mismatch rebounding. These
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: are all things that make basketball and football so unbelievable.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: Nuance oriented.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Gordya Chase our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Our conversations with Gordy, the resident NBA Guru, brought to
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  Speaker 2: you by Aladdin Industries. If you're looking for a skylight,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: maybe even exploring that idea, a Laddin Industries is your
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: vlux dealer here in the state of Utah. You mentioned
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the thunder just a second ago, and they made a
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: sneaky big trade. They unload lou Dort and the salary
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: associated with lou Dort. He goes to the Hawks in
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: a three team deal, three second round picks coming to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, Zachary reesa Che goes to the Mavericks, and
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Ryan Emhart ends up in Atlanta. Obviously, lou Dort has
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: been very important to what the Thunder dude defensively. Especially
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: let's start there, what does that roster look like without
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: lou Dort? This feels like it's pretty salary driven.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: For me, oh, very much. As an understatement, Sewan, So
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: the Thunder. First thing about the Thunder, they have wicked
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: smart people that work there, meaning Sam Pressing absolutely and that.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: So they have a tremendous situation and they had to
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: make a financial move with lou Dort, whose defensive minded,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: but we saw in the playoffs that his lack of
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: overall consistent shooting expose them somewhat. So they make that
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: trade with lou Dort going to the Hawks and entering
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: right now seawing the fregency After the draft, the Thunder
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: were going to pay two hundred and twenty four million
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: dollars in payroll and money tax as we speak right now,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: they're going to pay nineteen million. That's it. They went
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: from two twenty four million extra dollars to downton nineteen
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: just by just by moving lou Dort, Aaron Wiggins, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: Asaiya Joe. So they did that for financial reasons and
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: they they're able to maintain those showing by doing that, though,
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: they still maintained their core. So lou Dort everyone likes,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: but he was a luxury, so they still were able
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: to they still kept Shay Jill's Alexander Jillen Williams chet
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Hunger him. They're able to keep They are able to
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: keep Cason Wallace, able to keep Kru Alex Crusoe, they
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: are able to re sign as Aia Heartenstein and so
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: eventually they got to the eventually they're gonna have to
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: give money to Cason Wallace, they know that and aj Mitchell.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: So they kept their core people for another great run
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: for the Thunder and a Jet basketball that he tried
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: to chase.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: What do you think I mean, is lou Dort going
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to justify kind of a close to max extension or
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: max extension with the Hawks. I mean, he was part
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: of the reason that he was so important for the
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Thunders because they kind of have everything else
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: and he's a great defensive player, He's got some offensive limitations,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if he's as valuable of a
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: piece for a non contender as he is for a contender.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's unfair me to call the Hawks a non contender,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: but I think you understand the point. Is lou Dort
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: going to be as valuable and will his salary and
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: potential extension reflect that for Atlanta as he was for
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City?
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: Well, like extension right now is probably not on the table.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: He makes nick this year coming up the twenty six
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: twenty seven season, he makes seventeen point seven million dollars.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: He's a one dimensional in a good way, defensive minded,
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: and the Hawks have some of the good players also
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: to defensive minded and Dyson Daniels and they have this
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: young talented star player in Jalen Johnson, and so everything
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: is based on Jalen Johnson as far as what they're
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: what they're doing right now, and they really they really
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: like their team with also Nikel Walker, Alexander and so
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: the good they have a good young core. Jijiy McCollum.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: We all like, tremendous all around player at age thirty five.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: They gave him the one year contract. So the Hawks
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: are trending up, but they didn't overpay dramatically to just
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: a one year contract. So I always say this all times, Sean,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: is that when it's a one year contract that you
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: inherited or by the way, we are engaged, we're not
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: married to the player. So one year contracts are never
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: bad because it's one By next July, you can get
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: out of it, or we like what we saw, we
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: want to resign somebody. You meanwhy lou Dort. So the
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Hawks did the right thing for them, and so did
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: the Thunder did the correct thing for them. And that's
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: what the Thunder and the Spurs and all the teams
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: here in the West right now, Sean, I'm looking forward
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: to one little quick side note about this as far
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: as I'm really I'm trending right now, looking to see
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: the Portland Trailblazers, if it works or not. Where Joe
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: Morant goes to the Trailblazers, it's not his talent, it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: more where his heads at right now. Dame Lillard's there
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: right now too, a tremendous two way player, and is
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Scoot Henderson, who played very well for them. So I'm
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: looking forward to see which guy is moved. So it's
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: got to be probably through holiday, because Scoot Henderson's the future,
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: John Moran is the president right now, and Dame Lillard
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: is going to try to recapture what he once did
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: there as the franchise player. So I'm looking to see
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: what happens with Drew Holliday between now and training camp.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's your list today?
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: All rights today, Sean, let's talk offense vers second today,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: this blest is that bakers dozen all time NBA Korean
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: leaders in most regular season games of scoring twenty five
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: points or more. For the all time leaders, how many
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: times these players scored twenty five points and more in
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: an NBA game regular season? It's really who's who in basketball?
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: Number thirteen Steph Curry did it five hundred and forty
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: three times. Number twelve, Shaquille O'Neal that is five point
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: fifty five. Number eleven, James Harden has done it five
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: sixty three, Number ten, Dominique Wilkins five seventy four, Number nine,
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: Jerry West five eighty one, Number eight, Oscar Robinson five
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: eighty four, Number seven, Will Chamberlain six thirty two number six,
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: Kobe Bryant six ninety two, Number five, Michael Jordan seven
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: sixty nine, Number four, Kevin Durant seven seven seven, Number three,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Carl Malone scored twenty five points or more in seven
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: hundred and eighty nine regular season games. Number two all time.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: He did it with a skyhook. Kareem Abdul Jabbar scored
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: seven hundred and ninety three times twenty five points and more,
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: and number one Sean right on Cue and I talked
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: about him previously a few minutes ago. Lebron James is
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: the all time leader in most ever twenty five point
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: games or more regular season with nine hundred and eighty
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: nine times. So he should get it. He should crack
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: that list of a thousand times. He'll score over twenty
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: five points. The more his next team, wherever it might be,
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: whether it's seventy six, is Warriors eight or Caps, he
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: shall do it. So it's really an unbelievable list where
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: the consistency of scoring points in the game twenty five
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: points more. Lebron's number one, Carmelona Jazz Basketball is number three.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Wow, number three.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Speaking of Will, Speaking of World Chamberlain, you see today
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: about his about his auction. What happened with Wilt Chamberlain, Yes,
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: auction you off, Yep, the.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Warm up jacket. Yeah, we've got that for the Daily
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Dump later. So Gordy's teasing something we're going to talk
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: about in about thirty minutes. A Wilt Chamberlain jacket found
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: at effectively the d I will tell you the full
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: story coming up here.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Gordy, you're the man. Appreciate your time as always, Thanks
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: you on peace out. That's Gordy Chiasa. We'll double up here.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: We'll start our number two with Sammy more talk at
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Utah football on ESPN seven hundred nine.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Ecuse me from my hand to not be listen.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: You're two to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN one half am.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Out number two on the Shot O'Connell Show. We're gonna
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: talk a little.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Utah football here. Camp begins on well, not this next Monday,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: but the Monday after August third. We're less than two
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: weeks away now from the beginning, excuse me, the beginning
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: of Morgan Scalley's first camp as head football coach. We'll
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: ask Sammy Moro when she joins us this same question,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: but eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I want to.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Hear from you as well. What what do you need
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: to see changed?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like, oh, I want to see
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: more access to the team. I want to see more
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: interesting interviews from the head coach. We know that this
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: is a different era in Utah football. What's the biggest
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: change you need to see? I'm talking about from a
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: tactical standpoint. I'm talking about what would have been the
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: thing that got Utah over the hump last year? They
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: were a really good team last year. Ten regular season wins,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: eleven wins after the bowl game, which, of course, Morgan
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Scalley coached as the headman in his first real game
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: as head football coach, Kyle Whittingham leaving for Michigan prior
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: to that. Right, So, what is the thing that you
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: want to see change? What is the change you want
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: to see? Is a better way to phrase that. We
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: know there's going to be changes, but I'm not asking
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: what you think. I think they're going to pass more
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: this year. What do you want to see be the change?
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Morgan scally calls you as a fan and said, look, man,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: it's a clean slate. I get to do whatever I
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: want to do. I get to make this my product.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: The Utah football team this year is going to look different.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: How do you want it to look different? We know
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: all the ways we want it to be the same.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: All of us are just like, Yeah, you better play
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: great defense, you better be able to run the ball.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: What's the change you want to see? I got a
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: couple ideas myself. I want to hear from you. Eight
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: seven seven three five to three zero seven hundred. The
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: change that you have to see in Utah football, the
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: change that you think is absolutely necessary for them to
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: achieve what they can at, what they should achieve, what
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: they want to achieve this coming season.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Sammy Mora kind enough to join us UT's Insider Friend
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: of the Program.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Hi, Sammy, Hey, how are you? I'm all right.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you that exact same question I just
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: threw out there for our text line. We know it's
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: gonna look different somehow, we don't know all the ways
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: that it's gonna look different. We don't know all the
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: ways that it's gonna look the same. But Morgan scally,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: he gets you on the phone, and he says, look, Sammy,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: it's it's a fresh start. Okay, we got we got
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: vanilla ice cream here. What toppings are you putting on
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: this thing? You know, the ice cream is good, you
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: tough football by itself is good. But what is something
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you want to be part of this program that maybe
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't last year And it could be as specific, it
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: could be as tactical as you want it to be.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: What is something a change that Sammy Mora demands to see,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: needs to see in Utah football under a new head coach.
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: I think there's it's twofold for me. I think the
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: the defensive tackle room you want to I want to
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: see them get back to the defensive tackle rooms of
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: the past, like you know, like the Starlo twole, that
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: era of Utah football. Defensive tackles just guys that are
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: absolute game changers on the interior of that defensive line.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: I think that the defensive tackle room this season I
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: have a lot more confidence in than I.
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: Did last season.
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: From a side perspective alone, there's a lot bigger bodies.
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of guys who you know are going
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: to make their money on stopping the run. Which is
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: something that Utah struggled with last season, especially.
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: In the back half of the year.
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: So I think that is the first one that I
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: want to see, and the second one is I want
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: to see a truly balanced offense. I know that Kyle
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: Whittingham talked a lot about having a balanced offense, and
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: you know, you you run to open the past and
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: all those types of things, but if you look back
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: at like statistics specifically last year, like Utah the run
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: game blew the passing game out of the water. You know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: Devin had, Like the passing game had twenty eight hundred
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: yards to the rushings thirty four hundred. That's not balanced.
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: As much as people want to claim it's balanced, it's not.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: I want to see a more balanced offense. I want
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: to see Utah be in contention with some high level receivers,
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: whether it be high school kids, portal kids. I want
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: kids to be, you know, want to join Utah because
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: they're willing to air it out as well as throwed
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: as well as run the ball. So I think those
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: are the two big.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: Things for me.
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: But offensive, the offensive identity of this this program needs
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: to change because you know, teams know that Utah is
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: going to run the ball and it's time for that
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: to change.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: We've already got that answer a couple of times. So
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: there's other Utah fans that feel the same way. And
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: you know, we have talked about that. We talked about
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: it through spring ball, We've talked about it kind of
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: at Big twelve media days. Morgan Scally has said, you know,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: all the praiseworthy things for this wide receiving and it
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: one thing is like I could make demands of this
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Utah football program and just be like, well, I need
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: you to have the best defensive back in the entire country,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: and it might be possible, it might not be. It
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: feels like with the bodies they have in the wide
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: receiver room and what the quarterback room looks like, that
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: this year might be the right year to put that
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: on paper, to put that out there, to put that
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: on film and show people that this is not a
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: three yards in a cloud of dust offense, not exclusively anymore.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Is this wide receiving corps ready for that duty if
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: indeed the coaching staff puts it on them.
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: I think so. And like we've talked a lot about
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: you know, the wide receiver room over on zone going
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: back to before spring ball started on and I'm still
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: in the camp that on paper, this is probably the
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: one of the more deep wide receiver rooms Utah has
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: had in recent memory. I mean Creed Wittemore, if you
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: take him for example, here's probably wide receiver three, maybe
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: four last year when everything was said and done, but
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: this year, with just the sheer depth they have Greece
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: might be wide receiver six. Like it's just there's so
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: many different guys that can do so many different things,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: and you know, a lot of its projection, Like you know,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: Brandon Pagan, he had nine hundred yards as a receiver
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: last year in the same offense. Can he do the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: same thing this year? It's it's projection right now. But
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: until if they can put it on the field, then yeah,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: I think that you should expect that change from the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: wide receiver room. But until then, it's kind of one
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: of those things where it's like, well, the projections are
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: saying this, can they actually do it? When you know
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: the stadium lights are on and the TV cameras are
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: rolling and things like that.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: You also mentioned the defensive tackle room, and this is one.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: This is the thing that I talked about with the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: access we got at spring football, I'm very much like, Okay,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I'm hearing the same names from guys and they like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: like Ji moy is the guy whose name came out
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: of everyone's mouth, and I'm like, cool, I love that.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: He's small right now, That's fine. You can be small
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: and be successful as a defensive tackle. Maybe the best
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: interior defensive line in the history of the NFL is
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: a guy who's forty pounds later than everyone around him.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Steve Fafita was one of the best to ever do
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: it at the University of Utah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: He was well, not height wise, he was small.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Wait wise, he wasn't small, And that's kind of where
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Ji fits in from a physical profile standpoint. And you mentioned, hey,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: there's you know, there's some bodies in this room that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: make you feel confident that we could get back to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: this being a Utah D line that people are really
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: excited about. Who are they because you lost a couple
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: you know, Jonallea is someone that you did not want
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: to lose.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Out of the room.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Who are the names that you're looking at and saying like, yes,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: this is why the D line can get back to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: where it.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: Was I think the two for me, like you mentioned,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: Gi is going to be He's going to do what
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: he needs to do, and I think he's going to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: have some big place for you taught this fall like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: like size is not an issue with and like he's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: told many people that you know, he uses that size
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: as his you know, superpower, Like he's like, I know
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: that I'm small, and I want to prove people that
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: just because you're six foot you can still play defensive
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: tackle at a high level. And you know, if you
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: have offensive linemen at Utah, who are you know, six
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: seven inches taller than him that are saying like, yeah,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: guy's hard to defend. I mean that's something that you know,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: accept But I think from outside of him, the two
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: that are the biggest for me literally and like in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: terms of like what they're going to produce hopefully is
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: Carson Kafusi and Lucas Amsula. Carson six six three oh
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: five and then Lucas is six four to three oh six.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: Like those are some big guys.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: In the interior of that defensive line. And Lucas even
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: told us during spring, like, you know, I want to
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: stop the run. That is what I'm here to do, Like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: I don't want people to be able.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: To run the ball on me. So I think.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: That's really encouraging when you have someone who that's literally
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: all you want to do is stop the run. And
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: Carson is someone that that we you know, we saw
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: in at spring. He looked completely different than he did
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: last fall. He has reworked his body. You know, people
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: talk about that man strength the kids get, you know,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: around the second year, Carson has fully has fully gotten that.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: He looks just like a mountain of a man. And
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: he had some in spring. You and I said, next
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: to each other, we watch the defensive tackle was like
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: a couple of times he had some big plays like
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: he was getting off that off the offensive lineman really quickly.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: So I think those are probably the two biggest ones
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: that I you know, I'm circling. Jamal Wallace, I think
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: is going to be someone that you know, fans kind
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: of said are sleeping on right now. But I think
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: he might have a couple of good moments this fall.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: And then obviously poo poo Ceppalona. You know, he's he
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: came in as like a high four star and I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: think that you know, last season was rough, but you know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: true freshman. He wasn't here for spring, so it's gonna
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: be interesting to see how he has reacted to, you know,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: a full off season with Utah.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: So camp less than two weeks away, and we don't
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: know we did the whole Camp Kyle thing for twenty
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: one years, right, we don't know what bent or flavor
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Morgan's gonna put on it. There's there's going to be
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: more similarities than differences in my opinion, and we'll see
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: what level of access we get during actual fall camp
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: versus spring ball, which it was a little bit more
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: open than we are accustomed to. But for what conversations
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: you've had and just kind of what we know of
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: the vibe, do you think fall camp is significantly different
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: for this team in any way?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: Well, I think the big thing is that outside of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: you know, a small handful of you know, position battles,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: where it be backup or stuff like that, Like we
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: kind of have an idea of who the starting eleven
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: are going to be on both sides of football, and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: I think that, at least from my vantage point, that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: takes a lot of pressure off because it feels really good,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: specifically at quarterback, that this is what We're not heading
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: into this fall camp with like some sort of quarterback
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 6: battle hanging over our head, like we know who, we
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: know Devin's starter, we know Birds' is backup.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: Like that's cut and dry.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: And I think that it benefits that you're not every
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: week like, oh, well, how's this battle going, how's that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: battle going, how's this doing, how's that going? Because now
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: you can actually focus in on locking in those finer details,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: you know, getting ready to actually play a game against
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: someone who's not wearing the same jersey as you. Game installation,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: game preparation, preparing for your opponents, all sorts of things
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: like that, And I think that's the big thing and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: it helps. Like obviously, offensive line, there's still some things
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: that I got to figure out there, the outside corner
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: spot opposite Scooby still needs to be figured out, what
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: the true rotation looks like at defensive end defensive tackle.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: But you know the names that are going to be involved.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: It's not like you still don't know who's going to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: be in contention for those roles. Like it's just solidifying
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: things this fall, which I think is going to help.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: It's just it's going to take things off of Morgan,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: you know that's a fit As a first year head coach.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: There's a lot that's thrown at you, and there's a
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: lot that you have to get used to. And I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: think not having eighty four billion position battles as something
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: that should, you know, make things a little bit easier
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: this fall.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Sammy Moore, as our guests here on the Shoan O'Connell
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: schotalk in Utah football, who begins fall camp on August third,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: That is less than two weeks away. We are almost there, people,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Football season is right around the corner. I think the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: early enroll, the prevalence of early enrolldies for top recruits especially,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: has kind of taken a little bit of the fun
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: out of this. But every year that I can remember,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: you know, either being part of Utah football or being
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: close to watching Utah football, there's always like a guy
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: who shows up, whether he's you know, a random juco dude,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: or he's a freshman coming out of high school, or
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: he's a transfer that maybe he didn't get on everyone's radar,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: who starts to pop in fall camp. It's the smell
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: of the grass, it's the whatever that just like wakes
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: something up in these people. And they become suddenly an
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: unexpected part of the present plans for Utah football. Like
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: I said, early enrolldies kind of like take a little
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: guess where out of this because you get the best
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: players on campus in January for the most part. But
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: is there anyone that is going to start off in
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: fall camp in two weeks that you're like, this person
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: might actually see the field when we get to September third.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: I think there's there's two that might.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: But they're both, you know, in that category of early
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: enrollligues and stuff. I think Bear Fish or the tight End,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: and I think Nick Brown the Corner are two that
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: you know might see some time. I'm not going to
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: say they're going to start, but they probably will chot
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: out the field in you know, garbage time situations things
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: And you know, with the.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: New five or five, you know that that's going to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: allow a lot of these kids to see this field,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe a little bit sooner, just because you know,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: red shirting's not a thing anymore. So in garbage time,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: you're not like, oh, well, I can't play this guy
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: in garbage time because we've already played him, you know,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: three and a half games and if we play him again,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: he's going to lose.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: His red shirt type of thing.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: But I think Bear at tight end tight ends are
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: those positions. It feels slightly weird to me right now.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: Like we know that Noah Benny is, you know, he's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: all reports coming out of spring ball was that he
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: was making big time plays, that it looks to be
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: another option in the passing game, all of those things
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: that Utah needs from a tight end. After him, it
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: gets kind of questionable. I mean, I'm not going to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: include Hunter Andrews in this argument. I'm not going to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: include Semi and in this argument because those three play
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: a very very different role than what the traditional tight
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: end role that Utah has plays. So it's outside of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: is outside of Noah? Who is that you know tight
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: end too? Is it Will Moni or is it Bear
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: Fisher or is it a combination of the two. Will
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: played a lot, He's played a lot of football, he
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: played at Utah State, he played at Oklahoma State, He's
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: played at multiple different schools. But does he have what
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: it takes to get into that second tight end role
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: or does Bear make that jump? Because Bear had some really,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: really really impressive catches this this spring, Like I remember
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: seeing him make some one handed grabs that I was like, Okay,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: this kid, this kid has it. And he came into program.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: Are you a good weight so you're not worried about
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: putting weight on him? So that's one that I've I've
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: kind of circled. Nick Brown is the other one, you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: came in a little bit undersized. He is like I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: think he's at like one sixty I want to say
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: on the roster right now in terms of weight, one
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: seventy actually, like he looked small, he looked skinny. Did
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: he put on the weight necessary this summer to.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: Be the backup Nickel?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: Because shrey Shat talked about him a lot, especially in
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: the back half of camp, and that how Nichol's one
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: of the hardest positions you have to play on this
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: Utah defense. And Nick rose to the challenge and roast
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: the opportunity to play Nickel at this level. Can he
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: you know, did he do what he needed to do
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: this off season to put himself in a position to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: possibly back up rock Calbell at Nickel and see some
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: time on the field.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Noah Benny Jackson.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Benny is a guy that like it's like, Okay, this
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: dude's going to be an all conference level performer, but
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: where doing what?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: What is it actually going to look like?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: His versatil I think actually ended up like hurting him
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: as an individual a little bit last year because they're like,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: all right, you got to be a receiver today, you
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: got to be a nickel today. You know what You're safety?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Is there a more articulated plan you think getting into
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six for Jackson?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Benny Well, I.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: Think you're going to see him at safety. I think
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: that's the big thing for him. The reason why you
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: saw him moving around so much last year is because
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: of one, lack of depth at wide receiver and lack
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: of you know, experience there. And two you had him
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: playing nickel for half the season because they didn't know
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: who because Smith was playing on the outside. And then
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: you moved people around and then you have Jackson go
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: back to safety when Rabbit gets goes down, and it
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: was just he never truly settled into one position, it
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: felt like, and I think that if you have him
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: focused on just one position, and I personally think it.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: Should be safety, Jackson's he.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: Has to be all conference, you know, He's already on
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: a bunch of pre twenty twenty seven draft boards as
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: one of the best safeties in the nation. So I
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: think you're going to see him more at safety because
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: you don't need.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: Him to play nickel.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: You have Rock, you have potentially Nick Brown, you have
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: James Channel, you have a bunch of different guys that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: can play that nickel if need be. But safety is
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: where Jackson should be. Center field, you know, blitzing occasionally
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: in run support, occasionally dropping him into coverage. That's where
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: he needs to be. He had the team high four
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: interceptions last season. I honestly think he could match that
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: or maybe even do more if he's playing safety full
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: time this fall. So I think safety is where he
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: needs to be. I think that's where you're going to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: see a majority of the season. And you know, let
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: him just play, like, let the kid go. He's so
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: dynamic and he's such a playmaker that if you just
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: let him, let him roam around the field and do
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 6: what he needs to do, Jackson's gonna come up with
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: the play. He's always around the ball, and I think
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: that's where he needs to be.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: We got an email the other day about the Hall
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: of Fame inductees Zaane beat Delon Right, Daria Bijack, the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one softball team. We're gonna interview Amy Hoagu,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: who was part of that softball team, coming up here
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: on the show today. And you know, it's a it's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: a it's a great list. Your thoughts on the inductees
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: to this Hall of Fame.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: Class, Well, first of all, it makes you feel kind
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: of like weird that like, now we're at that point
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: of like Hall of Fame people that I remember watching
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: when I was little and growing up, Like I remember
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: watching Delon Wright when I was in high school. I remember,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: like I have a photo of me and my little
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: brother was Zane.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Beatles, Sammy. I was a full blown old man by
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: the time DELONN. Wright was coming through this program. So
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: imagine how it makes me feel. But I'm glad. I'm
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: glad you've got this recognition.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: See.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: Now it's like it's like one of those things about
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: like you know, you're finally an adult when moment it's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: some one of those like Eureka moments for me, I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: feel like, but you know, it's it's it's a cool
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: it's a good class, you know, I like Yan is, like,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: you know, one of those players that ever, well every
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: year people are like, well, why can't we have another
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: DeLong right type on the basketball team? Why can't we
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: have we miss the lawn, Like Delann would have been
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: great on this team. Like he's one of those guys
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: that everyone just everyone loves and and he's such a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: he was such a great player for Utah. Same was saying,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: like Zane Beeles is like one of those other guys
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: that you when you think of, like good really great
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: offensive lineman for Utah and that that time period, it's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: like Jordan Gross, Zane Beetles, like those are two of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: the biggest ones that you think of. But it's exciting,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: you know, it's always a fun time when you see
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: who gets inducted into these Hall of Fames because they
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: go through a lot to get into these positions. And
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: you know, like Mark Carlin said in his little video,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: like only one or two percent of student athletes from
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: Utah get inducted into this Hall of Fame. So it's honestly,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: like just a massive honor for them, and it's always
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: exciting to see who it is. Like every year, it's
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: just like a like a like not Russian roulette, but
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: it's like spin the wheel of who could it?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: Who could it be?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: Now? Because there's just historically across every sport, there's so many,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: so many athletes arrived doing what they did.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a couple unfair questions for you to
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: finish things off. We'll start with the one that is
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: less unfair, but it's predictive. So the toughest game on
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Utah's schedule this year is what, oh.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: God, Arizona. You're on the road, You're in Tucson. Tucson's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: never been you know, the greatest place for Utah Noah
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: Fafida is is Noah Fafida. He's an elite quarterback.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: In this conference and in this league. And I think
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: that game.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: That games, it's in a weird position on a schedule.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: I think Arizona is probably the hardest. I know people
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: are like, Sammy, why didn't you say BYU? You know,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: Morgan Scalley played in this game. He grew up around
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: this game for a long time. I think he's going
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: to bring a different edge to this game than there
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: were the previously was. And I'm not saying that that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: it's going to get like even more vitual and vile
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: than it has been. I think that Morgan knows how
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: like not to say Kyle didn't know how important the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: game was, but Morgan truly knows how important this game is,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: you know, as someone who's lived at his entire life.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: So I think having Morgan in charge of that, having
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: BAU at home, I think that that one's like a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: very close second. But I'm going to go with Arizona
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  Speaker 6: as the toughest game on the schedule.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say that, and I
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: don't disagree with you at all, because, yeah, I mean
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: the low hanging fruit is, of course, BYU the rivalry game.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Probably you could circle that every single year, but that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Arizona game looms large for me as well. And I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: heard I think it was Joel Klatt said he thinks
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: the winner of that game ends up as one half
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: of the Big twelve championship games. So I don't I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: don't know that he's far off in his prediction if I.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Have that right.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that game is just there's just so many conference
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: implications that are hanging over on that game, specifically because
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: BAU and Arizona meet very early in the season, so
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: their head to head matchup will be done like by
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: the time conference play starts, if I remember correctly, that's.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Right the week their week two.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so it's like you'll know what, like that's
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: going to be a key a key game for the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: conference that week. And I think that you know, you
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: kind of learned a lot about both teams that weekend.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: So I still think, you know, if whoever wins that
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: game is sitting pretty in the conference standings, but then
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: that that Utah Arizona game is just even more massive.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, now this this next question, this will be my
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: last question, and it's completely irresponsible to even ask, but
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: that's who I am, so I guess you could deal
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: with it. Pete Hamill reported from SEC Media Days yesterday
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: that you know, going through the fine print and talking
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: about to Protect College Sports Act, and one of the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: things that is really causing an issue for the SEC
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: getting on board and some other some other programs getting
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: on board is that there's a clause in there that says,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: if conference realignment happens, if you're a power for team
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: that wants to go to a different conference, you would
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: first have to be an independent for five years. In
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: college football, and I had a good laugh about this yesterday,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: but just for the sake of conversation, knowing full well
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: that it's not a reality at this moment, would it
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: be worth it for Utah Athletics if, like the Big
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Ten came a column and said, hey, we want you
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: as soon as we can get you, but that rule
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: is in place, would it be worth it for Utah
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Athletics to be independent for five years to get into
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten? And I guess the extension of that
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: question is could you survive those five years if you
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: had to?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think that that's like one of those things
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: that you know, I've been thinking about since that came
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: out yesterday as well. But like, I think one of
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: the things that it depends on is who else is
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: in that situation, because there's no I don't think there's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: a way in which, like I understand the nineteen teams
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: thing is like still on the table too, But like
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: if the SEC also goes like after teams, there's gonna
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: be a bunch of teams that have to be independent
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: for those five years. So who are those other five?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: Who are the other teams?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do this together.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: So let's say the nineteen teen thing goes away, right,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: and the SEC is just like, we're gonna add Texas Tech,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna add Miami and North Carolina and Florida
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: State just for the sake of the conversation, right, and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: the Big ten just like, okay, fine, we're gonna grab
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Utah and BYU and Colorado and.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Whoever else you want to put in there. Right.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: So it's it's a it's another mass round of realignments,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: so to speak. You're not doing it just by yourself.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: But not everyone is in the same financial situation. Not
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: everyone is in the same situation from a competitive standpoint, like, uh,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: some teams like Colorado is gonna they're already a mess, right,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: They're already digging themselves this insane hole. I don't know
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: that they would make it the five years at there's
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: current rate of spending if you're not getting television revenue
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So like, if you extend it out to
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: that level of hypothetical, I'll leave the floor to you.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: I think it again. I think it's still it kind
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: of depends, like what is Crimson Brand Partners doing? Is
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: there enough of a nest egg for you ta to
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: keep themselves afloat for all those years because I like,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: I don't think scheduling would be an issue, especially if
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: there's a large number of teams that you know, go
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: at the same time, because then you just schedule each other.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: That's the way you get around, like scheduling and stuff.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: But like, I like, financially, I think that's the biggest thing,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: and I think, you know, Crimson Brand Partners is the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: biggest part of it, Like, is are they doing what
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: they need to do in terms of helping Utah max
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: out the revenue that they can possibly generate.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: Because if they are, then I think.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: Utah's probably in a better position to be able to
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: stay afloat for those five years. But if they're not,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: then yeah, I don't know if it's worth it. Like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: I know, Utah fans are probably like screaming at their
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: their radio or computers or whatever they're listening to this
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: on right now and being like, but we but the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: Big Ten. I understand that. But at the same time,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: like the long term, the long term goal shouldn't be
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: outweighed by a short term gain. I think that's the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: big thing, is like short term Like, yeah, in that moment,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: the Big Ten offers and says, hey, like we want
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: you to come.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: Up five years, you have to wait.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: Are you going to be able to stay afloat for
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: those five years? That's the biggest thing financially, because you know,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: you're seeing teams across the country or athletic departments across
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: the country start cutting and cutting out those Olympic sports,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: Like the Olympic sports matter at Utah. Utah takes a
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: lot of pride in producing Olympians no matter what sport
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: it is, and if you start cutting Olympic sports, you know,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: that's a short.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: Term solution, but it's still going to be a long
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: term problem.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: So that was kind of a roundabout answer to say, I,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: you know, who knows. I think a lot of it's
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: just depend on Crimson Brand partners and where you ta
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: that financially. But I also just I just have a
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: hard time believing the Big ten and the SEC are
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: going to sign off on this thing. And if they don't,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: like it's just going to create chaos, Like like just
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: be prepared for ultimate chaos and college athletics again.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Time.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, no again again.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: But like I feel like it's gonna be like a
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: million times worse this time because you're just gonna see
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: like any team with a pulse trying to bid their
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: get into their like the good graces of the Big
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: Ten in the SEC. Like you're just gonna see it.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: Like obviously Utah, I think.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: Stanford and col would probably throw their hat in the
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 6: rings as well. I wouldn't be shocked to see the
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: Arizona schools, you know, Kansas, the schools that you know
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: have these have one or two sports that would prove
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: you know, big value to these conferences and stuff, like
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: obviously San Francisco is a massive media market, which might
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: you know, turn the ties for those two schools. Kansas
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: has basketball, Arizona has basketball, and football seems to be
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: on the up. Arizona state football Like it's gonna be insane,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be chaotic. I am slightly interested in it,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: but also like slightly not interested in it at the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: same time because I know of just how chaotic the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: last time of realignment was.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: So you know, we'll see. I just I have a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: hard time believing.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: That this bill is going to pass, just because you know,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: the SEC and the Big Ten are just digging themselves,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: digging their heels and stuff, and yeah, it's it's not
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: it's not fun. But at the same time, I'm glad
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: I'm not in those rooms, in those conversations.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Same Sammy, you're the best.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Look forward to seeing you up there at practices and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: such with media availability.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: And thanks for jumping on today.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for having me oc. I appreciate coming on again.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: That's Sammy Mora Utes insider friend of the program. They're
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: doing really good work over there at Ute Zone, so
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: get on board. It's now on three by the way,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: they're under that on three umbrella umbrella. So speaking of realignment,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: s underscore Mora on three is the new Twitter handle
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: if you're not already following Sammy mora little little Utes
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: recruiting publication realignment going on as seems like a lot
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: of those publications are going away from twenty four to
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: seven zone, one of them recently moving and moving to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: on three. All right, the Daily Dump is coming next.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: We got a lot to get to actually in this
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: daily dump. The Utah Mammoth with a big extension for
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: one of the players, you know, And Gordy Chiesa mentioned
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: this when we were talking to him. A Wilt Chamberlain
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: warm up jacket story that you're gonna want to hear.
• 1:23:28
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  Speaker 2: After I tell you this story, everyone's gonna run to
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: the d I or to Sabers or to the Salvation
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Army store or whatever.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: So this is legitimately wild.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: There there's a young man who is in the uh,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: he's in the thrifting business. You know how this is
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: like a hobby for a lot of people. You go
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: and you find vintage clothes. There are some people who
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: like actually know what they're looking at when they go
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: and they sift through the bins at these like secondhand stores,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: or they go and they you're pushing the musty old
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: jackets on the racket the d I and you're just like,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: oh wow, that one is kind of rare.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: That one is something. Well, this this.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Young man who is a he's a teenager from Portland, Oregon,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: nineteen years old.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: His name is Quinn Brown. He went to a goodwill store.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: And he saw someone like looking at something, and he
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: cut a little.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Glimpse and he was just like, that looks like a
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Lakers thing.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: And he found a nineteen seventy two game worn NBA
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Finals Wilt Chamberlain warm up jacket at a goodwill in Portland.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Somehow nobody knows how he got there.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, he bought this thing for I will give you
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: a thousand of your own bonus points, James, if you
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: could tell me how much he had to pay for
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: this at a goodwill in Portland. You know how many
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: of these kind of jackets I can get with a
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: thousand James Pearson bonus points. This is this is a
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: lot of steaks here. How much she got it for?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: How much did he buy it for at a goodwill?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Of course, they have no idea that it's a game
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: warn They just think it's an old Lakers jet donated
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: like a donated vintage Laker jacket. Who donated that? Is like, wow,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: fifteen bucks? He bought it for three dollars and I
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: think with tax it came to like three dollars and
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: seventeen cents or something.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: This is your kind of story, by the way. Oh
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: see my favorite thing of these deals, dude, if you
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: could find a deal like this.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: So uh, he he picks it out and he's just like,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this is says Wilt. This is Chamberlain
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: on it. This is Wilt Chamberlain's jacket. And so he's like, uh,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: And you could apparently there's a service. There's like a
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: photo service where if you find something, you can have
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: it kind of like authenticated.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: You could take pictures of it.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: You could plug it into this database and they will
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, this is where he wore it,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: this is when he wore it.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like a thing.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Like take a picture of it and you can get
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: it authenticated pretty quickly.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: So the whole deal with these like antiques or memorabilia
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: things is they have to be authenticated.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: And even when I was a kid and you were
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: buying things or you were finding things, like if you
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: caught a ball at a game.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, they.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Didn't find you and give you a certificate of authenticity,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: that that was a real piece of Major League Baseball memorabilia.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Someone from someone from the memorabilia authorities running into the stands.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Here you go, they do that, now, Yeah, they did
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: not when I was a kid, right, And so now
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: every piece of memorabilia that you buy has a certificate
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: of authenticity. There's provenance, you can figure out where it
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: came from, and it's traceable. Not the case back in
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two, obviously. So this kid figures it out.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, look what I found. This is Wilt
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: Chamberlain jacket. He posts a picture of it online and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: set the bees. The auction site contacts him, is just like,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: how about you can sign that to us. We'll auction
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: it off for you. Of course he has to pay
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: a fee. I have no idea what the percentage on
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: that fee is. But he ends up selling it for
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: eighty nine six hundred dollars at auction. A three dollars
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: investment turns into eighty nine six hundred dollars. Now, let's
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: say Southeby's takes ten percent. Hopefully it's not more than that.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: This kid is still making eighty grand on a jacket
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: that he found by going into a good will store.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: How cool is that?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: By the way, seventy two not exactly a insignificant year
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: in Lakers history, Like that was Jerry West's only NBA
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: championship that year, Will Chamberlain's only one as a Laker.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: It's the they at the time they broke there, they
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: set the NBA record or sixty nine wins. That's obviously
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: been topped a couple of times now since then. Like
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: that is a significant year in NBA history and particularly
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Lakers history. So to have not just to get a
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: if it were just just a Chamberlain warm up jacket
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: that he wore in the NBA Finals for the Los
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Angeles Lakers, no matter if they win or lose, that's
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: gonna be valuable. It's probably even more valuable because that
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: was such a special year as well. So that's that's awesome.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: The I mean so jealous that I haven't been able
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: to just stumble on a stumble upon a piece of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: cool memorabilia. I feel like, oh see, I would as
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: much as a monetary gain, that is, to sell it,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: I would have a hard time parting something like that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: if I just like I've basically found it, like twenty bucks.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: You find twenty bucks on the ground and be like, no,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: this is this is mine. I want to keep this. Yeah,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: that's really cool. Then you hear it can go for
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: ninety thousand, and you're like, okay, I need ninety thousand dollars.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: He's nineteen years old, and he's like, that's a nest
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: steak for him. I mean, that's awesome. You're nineteen and
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: now you've got go put a down payment on a
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: house with that right now. Seriously, he's got so and
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: this is what he does. By the way, this kid
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: he has like a vintage shop on an app called Deepop.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with deep Pop, but he's a thrifter.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: He goes and he finds stuff and he puts it
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: on the line and he sells it. And that's how
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: he was found what he was figuring out how authentic
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: this thing was. He went and looked at it, looked
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: for other similar jackets, and he's like, I found basically
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: the same jacket sold for fifty grand previously.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: So he was all excited.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: And while I can't verify this one hundred percent, it
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: looks like Jack Nicholson bought this jacket really the Laker
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: fan the icon named Jack Nicholson. Is it like Seinfeld
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: John Voight's car situation?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: They were.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: He went on a sports talk a mid day sports
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: talk radio show in Portland and they asked him about it,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: and this the host reference that, Oh, so Jack Nicholson
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: bought this jacket. That must be a pretty cool finish
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: to the story for you. So that's the only thing
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I can see. But how cool is that man? Ninety
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: grand out of a three dollars find? And by the way,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: I lied, the final price was three dollars and seven cents,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: So so that ate into his profits a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: that kills you. Oh see, where do you stand on that?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: If you if you ever stumble upon a treasure, a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: memorabilia treasure at a di I at a at a goodwill,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: wherever would you be, Yeah, let's try to turn a
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: profit on this, or would you want to keep that
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: for a while? You know, I think I probably would
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: end up keeping it for a short time, enjoying it,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: taking a bunch of photos of it, show all my
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: friends and family that I think will care about it,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: and then I'll sell it. That's good middle ground, I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: think that for me short like a few months, yeah,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: like up to a year maybe, you know, like like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: let all the sports fan like and for me it
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: would have to be a pretty lofty, like amazing find, right,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: But I'm always gonna have that story no matter what.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: I have my own thrifting stories that are not Wilt
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Chamberlain jackets that to me are precious because of the story,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: not necessarily because of the object itself.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Why people get probably continue to thrift. It's like a
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: it's like a it's a hook for you. Like, man,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: the stories you get out of doing this, Like you
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: chase that every time you go to a thrift store, right,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: like that whole Like it's the reason I watch American Pickers,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like they just go into
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: random barns in the middle of nowhere and they find
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: these priceless items and you're just like, that's really cool.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: I want to I want that.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: I want to do that, LP to the Star American Pickers, Right,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: didn't he pass? Did Frank pass? There's one of the guys.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: One of the guys passed away in the last year
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: or two. Oh no, you're about to ruin my days.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: We've addressed this before on the Arrow. See I thought
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: I was I think I thought I was just Frank Fritz. Yeah,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Frank Fritz. We missed you, Frank, I miss I told you.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: I told you I met Frank and that's right, yeah
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: in Iowa, right, yeah, okay, yeah, all right, we have
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: been down that road before.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Brain feart for me for a second. Okay.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: Uh So that's a happy, fun, cool, amazing story for
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: this kid out of Portland. Wilt Chamberlain warm up jacket
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: buys it for three dollars and seven cents, sells it
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: for just under ninety thousand dollars.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: This happened. This is wild, James.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: I know you saw this because we were on air yesterday, Okay,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: And we have a television in our studio right now.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: It's Little League World Series, Little League Softball World Series.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Yesterday we're watching and Ryan Clark is on television. Yeah,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: Ryan Clark is doing a live show on ESPN yesterday
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: during our show, Spence. Spence brought this up to on
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: his show because he was like, I was just watching
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: him earlier today.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: He was effectively fired during that show.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: As they're going through a bunch of cuts, layoffs, downsizing
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: at ESPN, because why would you do that your jerks, And.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: It didn't used to be this way at ESPN.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: It is now since in the last ten years or so,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: they've just done this seemingly every year, they've lost so
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: much heritage, tradition, great talent. Jeff Van Gundy on the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: NBA side was one of the one of the casualties
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: of this. Keishawn Johnson was a casualty of this. Absolutely.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Carl Ravich got fired today. He called a game last night,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: Ryan Clark. I was watching the Phillies Dodgers game last night, Ravach,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: David Ross, EDWARDO Perez, I don't know if if his
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: longtime Sunday Night baseball and now they do a couple
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: of games midweek. Edwardo Perez, I don't know if he's
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: if he's on his way out too. Those got those
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: two have been a staple the last half a decade plus.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: Like that. That was wild to me that I heard
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: that this morning, like he was just on the air
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: and not even twenty four hours ago. Look, I've been
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: part of these unfortunate happened stances in sports media where
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: you get fired and you got to find a new
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: gig and stuff like that. It is, it's part and
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: parcel to the industry. The fact that it happened while
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: he was on air. The decision was made to inform
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: him that he was being downsized while he was on air,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: and then he didn't finish the show.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Of course, was just like, oh, really, okay, I'm done.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Then, just like tarmact, if you will just set so
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: talking about Ryan Clark now, yeah, I'm talking about Ryan Clark.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: He started the show. It's the equivalent of like, we're
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: halfway through a little over halfway through today's show, right
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: if in the next break you were just like, hey,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: by the way, we're firing you tomorrow, stay tuned, it's
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: the equivalent of that, which it really is, like it's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: really I finished his assignment, the day's assignment for you.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: And the justification that they gave the explanation because of
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: course everyone's just like that is unprofessional, that is brutal.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Why would you do that? Why would you have him
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: on air? And then minutes later he's fired. And ESPN's
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: justification of it was actually pretty interesting because there's all
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: of these reporters now, right, these scoopers that were they
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: were worried had the information that the downsizing was happening.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: It's been kind of anticipated, kind of expected quarterly earnings,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Right, And ESPN was like, well,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: we were worried he was gonna find out by opening
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: a tweet and seeing that he'd been downsized before we
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: could actually fire him. So we wanted to be the
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: ones who actually told him. So their justification was we
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: wanted to do like the correct professional thing. Yeah, And
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: obviously the argument to that is just like, well, why
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: just you should have brought him in before the show then, Yeah,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if you like, don't don't put
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: him on air that day, or like be very clear,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: like we really want you to do one last show
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: and let him and maybe he maybe that's what it
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: was like. Maybe ESPN was not anticipating that he would
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: just walk off the set. But you can't really blame
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: a guy in that situation. I'm not I'm not employed
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: by you anymore, I'm not finishing your show. It is
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: general practice then unless it's a retirement. If you're being fired,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: they don't let you go back on air, which is
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: an old thing. Now you can do the exact same
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: thing by just pulling out your phone.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: And if you want to burn it down, you can.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Right if Ryan Clark wanted to tell a bunch of
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: tales out of school and he wanted to get mad.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: Good point that puts the company is that is potentially
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: very exposed, a very way too vulnerable, way too at
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: risk to say, yeah, go ahead and finish your show.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: I mean it's again, I've been part of it.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: I've been part of this in radio where they go
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: they call you in after your show's over. Yeah, they
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: don't say tomorrow's going to be your last show because
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: they don't want you coming on the air and saying, oh,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: by the way, this place sucks.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Oh by the way, did you have.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: That bad pr James Peterson beats me up every day,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: right allegedly like they they aren't throwing that word in
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: there at the end, so they it's it's it's sort
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: of corporate practice that you don't and like, yeah, they
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: walk you out of the building, they have the dumb
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: security guy come and stand there while you get the
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: stuff off your desk. Damn Patrick, the Damn Patrick has
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: talked about he got that treatment when he left ESPN
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: and It's like, I'm Dan Patrick, Like why I'm I
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: am Sports Center?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Why do I need to be walked out by security?
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: You know, it's really funny is that that happened to me?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: And they were like, you know, it's this guy who
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: is not in the building every day. It's like an
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: off duty cop that they had they call to like
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: handle these types of situations or whatever. And he's standing
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: there and waiting for me to like pack up my stuff.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: And because I'm a because I'm a jerk. My what's
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: going what's going through my mind, James is I'm just like,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: if I wanted to freak out right now, what are
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: you gonna do?
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: See where energy to your bad neighbor? You're looking at it,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: You're looking at the ring camera and be like if
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: that wasn't there, what would I do?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: I just but I'm looking at this guy. This is
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: years and years ago.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at this guy, and I'm just like, if
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: I decide that I want to cause a scene right now,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: you cannot do anything. Like if they're really worried about
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: about a scene being caused, an issue happening, which of
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: course they didn't have to worry about I'm not gonna
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna burn bridges. I'm not gonna act like
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: a psycho.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm just like, why do they think this rent
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: a cop is the right thing for them?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Right now?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: He can't stop you. This guy's not gonna do anything anyway.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: It was funny, but it was not funny for Ryan Clark.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: It's not funny for anyone who is being laid off
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: by ESPN today. It is Unfortunately, it's part of the business.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: And if there's a silver lining, I'm usually not the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: silver lining guy. But if there's a silver lining, it's
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: that it does open opportunities for other people, for younger people, right,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: because all of this is cost cutting, right, So, like
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: there's a there are literally thousands of folks who would
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: do anything, myself included, who would do anything to have
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to call games, call college football games, called
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball games, called whatever.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Studio analysts like and.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: When you get to a point where like Ryan Clark's
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: making a couple million bucks a year whatever, they might
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: be like, we don't think you're worth that anymore.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Now the next guy.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: They save money on that guy, Yeah, he's gonna make
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars and sixty millions. If you
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: look at who hosts Sports Center now, it's like a
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: bunch of twenty eight year olds, and it's it's people that,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: all due respect to them, you've never heard of them exactly. Now,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: to be fair, Scott Van Pelt was that at some point. Yeah,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: he's the only one you've heard of. They were like
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: all those guys. Linda Khne at some point was just
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: like a random person moved up the ranks, and you
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: move up the ranks, so like you.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Got to give them credit.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: You got it's you got to allow you know, you
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: never want to be the person to follow the iconic person,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: but you'll take that job if you're a young person
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: on the climb. And it's just it's unfortunate, but it's
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: the way it is. And sorry that you got pipped
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: on your own show, Ryan Clark.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: That's tough. It's too bad.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: We don't have time for anything, but this one very
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: important thing in daily to fit in Daily dumpoc and
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: it's that the Red Sox are winning games. They're fourteen
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: straight wins. Everyone cares about this, right, they're about to
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: go for their fifteenth straight win, which would be a
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: franchise tie, a franchise record.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: They play the Orioles snide.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: That's the biggest, that's the most important story in sports
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: today and on the show.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: So this coming in from Sam, I have to do
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: this because it pertains to our Wilt Chamberlain thrifting story.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's wonderful here. Shout out to Sam. Shout out
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: to Sam on the text line.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: So, and yes, part of the story with the Wilt
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Chamberlain jacket is this kid saw somebody else had the
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: jacket in their hands and put it back in the bin.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: That's how we saw, Okay, So like someone had it
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: in their possession first, and it was just like, nah,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna realize what they had. I don't have
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: three dollars.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Put it back. I hate the Lakers. Put it back. Yeah.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: So this is from Sam.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: I had a buddy with an exact similar story the
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: Goodwill Bins here in Salt Lake City, someone had and
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: threw back a game used Celtics Raijon Rondo jersey.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, the game used jerseys.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: Now have authenticity tags on them, so you could authenticate.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: No idea how it got there.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: My personal best find was at Deseret Industries. I paid
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: five dollars for a game used Brandon Burton number twenty
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: seven jersey. Long story, but I used to work in
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: the Athletics department of Utah. I knew Brandon no certificate
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: of authenticity, but I would take his word for it
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: that it was a jersey from the Brandon Burton kick
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: block of twenty ten. I gave it back to Brandon
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: as opposed to selling it. If anyone should have it,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: it was Oh my gosh, Sam, that is so cool.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: I just got chills literally. That play is one of
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: the top five most iconic moments for me in Utah
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: football history. Of my own personal memories of the Utah
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: football BYU rivalry, that is one of the most distinct
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: because I've told the story on the air before. I
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: was fighting with hundreds of people at a Washington, DC
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: bar sports bar to keep that game on the television.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: They all wanted other games on the TV. And I'm
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: sitting at a sports bar watching it and the bartenders like,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: I got to change this man, and I'm like, dude,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: do not. And I don't have a tab because I
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: don't drink right, So they're profiting nothing off of me.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I will take care of you. Leave this
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: game on. Oh, you're just like tipping him. I'm like,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Fighting this out with hundreds of washingt to nights and
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: I was devastated. I thought the game was over, and
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: then it was Brandon Burton's block and I'm celebrating by
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: myself freaking out in anyway. The fact that you had
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: that jersey, the fact that jersey ended up at the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: d I. What the cra Brandon Burton, Why did they
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Why did it end up there. I'm glad you gave
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: it back to him. That's really really cool, Like that's elite.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if you still have that, I
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Burton, if you're listening and you still have that,
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  Speaker 1: It from you.
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• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: local sports memorabilia stories that you pick up at a
• 1:45:48
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  Speaker 2: There was a d I that you found this the
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: fact that how random is it that a Rajen Rondo
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: game warn Celtics jersey it up in a good will
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  Speaker 2: in this in Salt Lake City, Like you know, you
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: know the story part of that story, the story of
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: the flu game shoes where the ball boy had the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: flu game shoes and yeah, selling them right, Like that's
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: still a wonderful story. But it makes sense it was
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: in salt Lake City, that it was in Salt Lake
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: and he like recognized these are Michael Jordan's playoff shoes.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep these.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put him in a safety deposit box, that
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: kind of thing, and then it paid off years later.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: How does something like that ever end up in the
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: d I like or in the goodwill?
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: Bit? Was that?
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Was this before or after Danny Ainge was hired by
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz? Did he donated to good will? Danny
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Age just cleaning out all the Celtics stuff he's got,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: just like, ah, I don't want this anymore. Rondo's out
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: like he's been on fifteen teams, He's a Laker champion.
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• 1:46:51
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• 1:46:54
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• 1:47:08
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• 1:47:24
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  Speaker 2: Our number three begins with the Utah Athletics Hall of
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Famer Amy Hoague, Utah softball coach, also a member of
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety one Utah softball team just named to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. We'll talk with her about that honor,
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  Speaker 2: about the Utah talents, sharing dumb key and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ninety twoe fmf.
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  Speaker 4: You're listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in to
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  Speaker 1: our number three.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little Utah softball Here with
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  Speaker 2: Amy Hogue, the coach of your.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Utah softball team.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame class for the Utah Athletics Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame this year includes the nineteen ninety one team
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: that participated in the longest game in softball history in
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: NCAA softball history. I'm not going to regale you with
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: the details. Hopefully, if I'm lucky, I can get Amy
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: Hoag to do that. At some point during this conversation,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Amy Hope joins us now on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 1: Coach, welcome, How are you.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: Hi, Sean? I'm doing great.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: What are you doing all right?
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  Speaker 2: How did you find out that you and your nineteen
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: ninety one teammates were going to be inducted into the
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Utah Athletics Hall of Fame.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: Well, believe it or not, a lot of my youth
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: have a tech thread that includes coach Evans, Coach Joe Evans,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: and she announced it to us on the text thread,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: so all of us got to hear at the same
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: time from her.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's really cool.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: You're so a bunch of your teammates are still on
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: a text thread together. The text red would not have
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: started back in nineteen ninety one, but the team of
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one is on that on that text head.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: That's that's pretty cool. There's some longevity with that relationship.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Coach.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not everybody, but most everybody. I mean we still
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: we find each other in different cities. They and they
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: know on around and watch the football game, or in
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame or how about you know, meeting at USC
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: the Utes are playing on the weekend, like we'll meet
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: at football games. We are youths through and through, and
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: so yeah, those of us that have been doing life
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: together for years are are part of this. And it's
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of times youth stuff and a lot of
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: times just live stuff, announcements of things good or bad.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, through and through, we're teammates and friends.
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  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: As I was, you know, kind of looking up the
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: history of this team, came across on the official Utah
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: you Tell You Utell Youth dot com website, and we
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: were just talking earlier today, there's some great like vintage
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: memorabilia stories out there where people are finding like someone
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: found a Brandon Burton game warn jersey at the DII,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: and there's a Wilt Chamberlain jacket I don't know if
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: you saw that story that got sold after being founded
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: a goodwill. And there's this awesome picture of your nineteen
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: ninety one Utah so off ball team in some really
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: slick unis with the Utah script across the chest and
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: the numbers are like kind of down on the like
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: the belly instead of being on the back or on
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: the shoulder or something like that. Do you have any
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: of this gear left coaches? Any of this in a
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: closet somewhere?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: I do not know, and I really hope nobody does.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, that stuff was pretty trashed. I'm pretty sure
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: we wore the same uniforms all four years and for
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: we probably had two uniforms, a red one, a white one,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: and that was it. So yeah, no, we probably wore
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: them completely out and they have holes in them. And
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I guarantee nobody has one of those. Well,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: we're gonna throwbacks. Maybe we'll do some throwbacks.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Gotta do some throwbacks.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Chamielle, who's on the team with you, obviously
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  Speaker 2: she's got some cloud you you two together could make
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  Speaker 2: this throwback happen. We could recreate this picture I'm looking
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: at from the nineteen anyone you to softball team?
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  Speaker 3: Nice nice, all right. Back then, they probably handed them
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: down from the baseball team. So that's part of why
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: the number was tucked into my pants. That that needs
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: to happen. I'm sure I always charm will make it happen.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sure people the kids these days, coach, they have
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: no idea what it was like to be a student
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: athlete back in the day. I was up there in
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: the early two thousands and our football helmets didn't even
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: match the color of our jerseys.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: It was like a red the red didn't match.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: And telling the players that now when they have a
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: practice helmet, they have a black helmet, they have a
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: hand painted helmet, they have a red helmet, and they
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: have a white helmet, they cannot relate at all.
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  Speaker 5: They can't.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: And they have a different helmet for every game. And yeah,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: it's different and it's fun. It's fun to be a
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: part of it. Then, am now each each generation announced
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: and story?
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: All right, before we get to the now of Utah
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: softball if you don't mind for those who have not
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: heard the stories, those who are uninitiated, take us through
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: a fifty six inning doubleheader for the nineteen ninety one
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: Whack Championship, playing softball through the night against Creighton, back
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: to back games, like just your your memories of that,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: the grueling grind of two games that ended.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: Up being you know, however long that was hours and
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: hours and hours.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: It was twelve hours if Bendwin was counting. We started
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: at six pm ish the night before and ended about
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: six am. The sun was coming up, the grass was
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: wet from the morning, do the bird were singing.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: It was nuts.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: I actually talked to the Creighton coach and they they're
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: having to get together this fall with their team, and
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: I'm really I think we should crash their party and
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: everyone should get together and tell the stories, because everybody
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: tells different stories. What I remember about it was, you know,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: the first game, we were the undefeated teams, so as
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: long as we win, were in. And we lost, so
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: we had to turn around and play another game. And
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: I remember in the second game having just you know,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: we're a team that has a lot of superstitions, and
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: so you've got to stand here, You've got to do this.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: And at that point we'd gone through everything we could
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: think of to try to get a run, and so
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: we changed uniforms, like in the middle of the inning,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the dugout, like everyone swapped uniforms.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: But it was it was crazy. Charmel was by far
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: our best player and got seven hits in the first game.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: She was like seven for fourteen or something. And it's
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: not like we weren't getting hits. Both teams got lots
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: of hits, but you know, they beat us in the
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: first game. We turned around and beat him in the
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: second game. But it took twelve hours to get it done.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: And I remember calling my parents because they weren't there
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: and you had to call from like a payphone, no lie,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: so yeah, to call I called. I told him i'd
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: call him as soon as the game was over, and
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: they were pretty mad when I called in the morning
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: and said you forgot to call us, and I said no,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: we literally just ended. So but it was nuts. Their
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: picture through fifty one of the fifty six, so I'd
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: say she was the superstar. Kelly Brookhart lefty and she
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: was their best hitter too, So between her and Charmel,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: both lefty hitters. They I mean, there were some superstars
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: on the field that day, and it was definitely either
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: our catcher or their catcher that squatted for twelve hours
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: or you know, the picture set through all night. But yeah,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: we got it done, and it's been a fun story
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: to tell.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: It's really unbelievable, especially not like you said, you stayed involved.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: You're you're a coach now, and like this would not
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: be asked of modern day athletes, right, I mean, there's
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: got to be rules against this.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: If the game goes past.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: A certain time or a certain number of innings or whatever,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: you got to like pause it and pick it up
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: the next day.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: Back then they're just like, yeah, let them play until
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: you find a result.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, there would be so many rules against everything that
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: happened that night, and I don't want to hear all
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: the story, but it was it did feel a little
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: bit dangerous. I remember our trainer actually went down. She
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: was the one whose eyes rolled into the back of
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: her head and she needed treatment because she kind of
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: lost it at one point. But yeah, it was when
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: the trainer goes down, you know you probably should shut
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: it down. But the commissioner was there at the game.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: So in championship play, they don't do what's called the
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: international tiebreaker rule, which means that you know, if you're
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: tied at a certain inning, then you put you start
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: with a runner at second, and it usually gets the
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: game to end a little quicker. And she was there
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: and she's like, no, in champanship play, we don't do
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: it that way. And we actually did do it in
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: that twenty fifth inning of that second game. They started.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: What she goes, I don't care what the rules say.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: I'm the commissioner, and we it's six am and we're
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: starting with the runner at second and we happen to
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: win it in that inning. So there's a little controversy
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: over that, but both teams agreed to it, and yeah,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: it got it done really quick. So but I yeah,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it'll happen again. I sure hope not.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: Even if there are any rules, like, hope it doesn't
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: happen again.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know much, but I can confidently say that
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: we are never again going to get that many innings
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: played over a twelve hour span in college softball. When
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: they when the rule change happened in the second game,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: was there any objection?
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: Was it was Creton just like, no, you can't do
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: that now?
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: Or were they Was everyone so exhausted and so just
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: fatigued by that marathon that even they were just like,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: all right, fine, just let's figure out who's gonna win.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I certainly don't remember the conversation happening, but what
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: I do know is they had to agree, We both
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: had to agree on it happening. And I don't think
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: there was a doubt in anyone's mind. It was just
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: the commissioner making the decision, and we said, yes, whatever
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: it takes to have this thing. And I remember at
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: one point and I'm competitive as they come, and I
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: honestly didn't care if we won or lost. I just
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: wanted to be done. I remember hitting every emotion and
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: I was a freshman. We had two seniors on the team.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: That just I mean, we all had no quit in us.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: But that was pretty extreme. I had sprained my ankles
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: like three days prior, so you know, everyone was taped
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: up like over top of their uniform. By the time
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: it was all over, we had ankles taped over cleats,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: and yeah it was it was pretty ugly, but yeah,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: we got it done and ended up going to College
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: station and upsetting them to go to the World Series.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: So it actually spurred us into a really magical ending
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: to our season. So it wasn't just that game, it
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: was the it qualified for us for postseason. We went
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: to regionals and upset a former champion. They had won
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: the World Series. They were a front runner and we
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: upset them at their place and went to the final eight.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: So it's pretty magical first year for me in my career.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: Utah softball coach Amy Hogue is our guest here on
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell show. She and her teammates from this
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: legendary nineteen ninety one not only extreme doubleheader, but the
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: WAX Championship and College World Series appearance. They are going
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: into the Athletics Hall of Fame this year. This season,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: that'll be game week three, if I'm not mistaken of
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: the football season. And do you expect that everyone's going
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: to show up for the actual ceremony induction to get together?
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: Coach?
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: I do think everyone's going to show up. It was
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: fun because I got the opportunity to well, I nominated
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: myself to reach out to everyone because I have all
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: their numbers, and I just reached out to everyone and
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: made sure they knew about it. And surprisingly it didn't
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: take that long because a bunch of us were on
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: that tech thread, and the few that weren't they answer
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: right away. And honestly, we only had fourteen on our rosters,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: so it really isn't going to take that much to
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: get everyone there. I couldn't believe that we only had fourteen,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: but we did. It was the squad of fourteen. So yeah,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: I'd bet money that everyone shows up.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: How aware are your current players of that nineteen ninety
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: one season, because like in sports talk radio, we get
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: to this thing where we're if we don't know the history,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: we familiarize ourselves with the history of the the programs, right,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: and the recruiting pitches and the legacy and all that
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then you've talked to families and
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: you talk to kids who are seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: and they're just like, man, I don't even know what
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: happened in the Sugar Bowl year for football?
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You know what I mean?
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: So nineteen ninety one, none of your gals were alive.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: Obviously their parents were maybe, but like, how aware are
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: they of that insane doubleheader and your championships and things
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: like that?
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: Right, that's a good question, you know, any of the
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: teams that involved. To me, I haven't really talked about
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: it that much because that's awkward, right to talk about
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: you and your team. But I have done quite a
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: bit to integrate our alum with our current teams, and
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: I do it in a lot of really odd ways,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: fun ways. I think they probably think odd, so I
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: said odd trying to Each year, I'll make them connect
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: with someone that wore the same number as them and
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: write them a letter. Or we do a fitness challenge
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: in the fall. We call it eleven seventy six which
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: is the distance between our stadium and the Hall of
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: Fame Stadium, which is where they play the World Series,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: so eleven and seventy six miles, So we called this
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: fitness test eleven seventy six, and we match up our
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: current players with an alum. The alums do not have
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: to run it, but they do help them, cheer them
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: on and help them count their reps for this magical
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: day in their lives that they do in the fall.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: So we connect them that way also. And last year
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: we celebrated our fiftieth season of Utah Softball and we
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: had a ginormous event where all kinds of alum came
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: back and we had a banquet and a lot of
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: mingling between our players. So I don't know if they
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: talked about the all nighter game or not. But they
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: certainly know a lot of the people that I've played
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: with and that we're involved in that team, and a lot.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: Of them come out and watch games.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: So I do know they know a bunch of alum
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: because I've made that happen and make them do that
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: and appreciate where things were and why they have it
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: so great now and why they should be grateful. But
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they know much about the game.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: So maybe I'll sit down and make them watch it.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: One day, make them watch the entire doubleheader all twelve hours.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: That's its own that's its own fitness test. Coach, You're
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: just like, all right, you got to stay awake, you
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: got to watch the whole thing. I had to play
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: in it for twelve hours. You could watch it for
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: twelve hours to watch it.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do have it. Apparently it's on YouTube somewhere.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: I have not watched it. I know I was the
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: last out of the first game, which is heartbreaking. So
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: I don't want them to have to watch that. But
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: I do think that making him watch it would probably
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: cost me an entire week of practice because of the
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: allotment of ours that we get, So I don't think
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: I want to do that, but maybe some of the highlights.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: Really incredible story.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the direction of you know what's going
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: on in softball right now, how much talents softball were
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: able to take in they share your home field and
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: you know they're off to their own championship competition and
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: athletes unlimited softball league, So how much were you able
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: to see of that?
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: A lot?
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: Actually, they played most of their home games at the
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: front end of the season for them, so they were
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 3: done with their last home game in July fourth, so
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: it's actually in town a lot. Recruiting from the portal
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: and hosting some of those recruits. It was a nice
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: little way to show off our field when we have
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: the best talent in the world down there playing on
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: the field they would play on. So it showed really well.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: So I saw quite a bit.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: I bought three season tickets on my own so that
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: I could have a seat. I didn't know quite where
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: to sit. I hadn't really sat in the stands before,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: so that was I had to ask some friends and family,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: but I bought three tickets and I actually sat and
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: watched a handful of home games. And now we're out
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: recruiting Nationals is this week, so I'm actually in California
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: right now. I'm heading to Indiana tomorrow for the other Nationals.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the talents are in the championship this weekend.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: They'll start on Saturday.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: They are, and we talked with coach Bear yesterday on
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: the show, and obviously former Ute is on that squad,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: so we're hoping they can go back to back. They
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: won the championship last year in the inaugural season. That
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: was before they had settled down here in Salt Lake City,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: and now even more reason for us to root for them,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: and I hope they can go back to back. Are
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: you good being a fan? Can you sit and watch
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: a softball game and just enjoy it? Or does the
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: competitor and the coach and you take over?
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'd say it depends. It depends on the game.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: I'm a mother of three, and I think when I'm
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: in the stands, when it's my own kids, I'm really
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: good at being a fan. I enjoyed just playing the
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: mom role and I think I got really good at
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: it because it was I wasn't willing to I didn't
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: ever coach my kids, and that was precious to me
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: to just be the mom. So it worked hard. I
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: learned how to do that for my parents really well.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: But when I'm just watching like the talent, and yeah,
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: there's definitely a lot of people around me that I
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: like talking shop with, and you know, I throw it
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: down and in here, or I think they should finch
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: the metal and roll it up instead, And yeah, I'm
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: probably doing a little bit of that, but usually I'm
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: partaking in a beverage or two, so I probably don't
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: So during Interestingly enough, the Soccer World Cup sparked a
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: lot of conversation about youth sports and talent development in
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: the United States. And obviously it started with soccer because
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: we're not very good at it as a nation compared
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: to some others. And then it expands that conversation expands
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: is that more and more parents get involved and they're
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, it's hard to have elite level soccer
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: players because you've got to be a millionaire to afford
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: the travel teams, and you know, you've got similar situations.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: Elite softball is expensive, and crazy, volleyball expensive and crazy.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: Football used to be a sport only for the fall.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: Now you've got leagues and seven on sevens and private
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback coaching and all this crazy stuff. And youth sports
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: has changed very drastically since I was a kid and
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: you just signed up for your rec league. You know,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: baseball during baseball season, and football during football season, and
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: wrestling or basketball, and you're recruiting these athletes, so it
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: matters a lot more to you than it does to me,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: at least for now. I've got three girls of my
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: own that are eventually going to have to figure this
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: stuff out.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: They're young enough now we don't have to worry yet.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: But coach, I'm asking because, like you know, you're getting
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: players out of these elite clubs, and do you want
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: them to be multi sport athletes? If they are multi
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: sport athletes, does it take away from the technique they
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: need to have by the time they get to college
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: to play softball. We don't have many opportunities to know
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: what the philosophy is from somebody who's actually recruiting.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: I love that question. I'm old school on both ends.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 5: Of it.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: I wanted my kids to play all the sports, and
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: I want all my players to play all the sports,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: and I played all the sports. I think it's important
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: mostly for their full body training. You know, when they
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: get to me, they will probably play a different position
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: than they use to play, and I want them to
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: be able to move their bodies in different ways. They're
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: getting so specialized that they play for space and that's
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: all they do, and it's not good for them. I
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: might need them to play third or right field, and
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: so I think also having an escape from playing first
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: makings every day is playing volleyball and doing something different
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: and making new friends and appreciating the sport by taking
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: a break from it. Your body needs a break from it,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: your mind needs a break from it. I'm convinced it's
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: the way that we should be doing it. And are
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: there some that just don't like any of the other sports, Yes,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: but most are told that they can't and that's hard
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: for me. So I like for them too, which means, yes,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: they'll take a few less reps during the fall, but
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: I also know if they're playing volleyball in the fall
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: and softball in the spring, that they're not going to
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: be as burnout maybe of softball when they get to me.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: I equate it. I know this is random, but I
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: always think of random thoughts, and I'm going to share it.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: When you want to be a doctor, and I know
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: because my brother's a doctor, you can be whatever major
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: you want in your first four years. You just have
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: to take the pre REGs for medical school and then
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: get into medical school because they'll teach you how to
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: be a doctor when you get to medical school. And
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: to me, I feel like it's the same thing. You
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: need to play enough softball that you're elite at it
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: and for everybody that's different, and then when you get there,
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: be ready to do nothing but softball. And I think
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: those that played a lot of sports have been my
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: most personal kids. They've gotten hurt less and they've enjoyed
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: their entire career and haven't had to worry about as
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: much burnout. So I'm going for that.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: I thought you would answer at least somewhat that way,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: because most of the coaches that we do get an opportunity,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: they want multi sport athletes. And so my big question
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: now is one I don't even think you'll be able
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: to answer, but like, why is the disconnect between parents
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: and the coaches who are actually because every parent is
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm going to get my kid into volleyball
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: camp or softball camp or soccer camp when they're eleven,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: because that's going to turn into a scholarship when they're eighteen.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: And the coaches that are actually handing out the scholarships
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: are like, no, let them play all these different sports.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: But then the parents are like, no, I'm going to
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: specialize them. Where is this disconnect happening? Oh?
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 3: How much time do we have you want to talk
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: about the disconnect between parents and coaches. I don't think
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: we have enough time. I think my battery's gonna die
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: on my phone.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't believe us, I think, and they just
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: want to control what they can and that's what the
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: piece they think they can control. And I do think
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: the coaches, the travel ball coaches are part of that too,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: and the volleyball coaches and the high cool coaches, because
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: they're the one saying no, you can't play the other sports.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: So it's probably more the travel ball coaches and the
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: parents versus the college coaches. So yeah, there's some disconnect,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it feels like it feels too vulnerable and
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: scary to let them play all the sports, and especially
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: if they think that it's going to cost that scholarship
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: that they want their kid to get at divisional level.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, well we'll find time and we'll get deeper
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: into that conversation when we don't have to do it
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: on the phone because the battery will run out.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: There's so much nuance to it, coach.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: And when your girls get older, well you can doubt
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, seven, four and two right now, So I need
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: you to stick around for another at least eleven years.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: All right, Okay, no problem, I love it.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, coach, you know we'll be up there, so I'll
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: come say hi at your Hall of Fame induction. Congratulations
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: to you your team all the success, and and thank
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: you so much for giving us some time today.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I enjoy the time and I
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: appreciate your support.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: That's Amy Hoague, Utah softball coach, member of the nineteen
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: ninety one Utah softball team, just named to the Hall
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: of Fame. We should this should be like some homework
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: we have to do right. Fifty six innings, the longest
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: game in softball history was the first of a double header.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: They played a thirty one inning game. It ends it's
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: a six pm start, it ends just after midnight. They
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: take a twenty minute break and then they start the
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: second game, and that game ends at six h eight am.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: So they're both six hour games, five plus hour games.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: That second game was twenty five innings.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: And listen, I you you did a good job of
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: pulling back to curtin a little bit for our listeners
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: as to why we seem to be informed about everything,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: even just even by just a little bit. We have
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: to we have to be a quick study. We have
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: to know at least a basic knowledge of the news
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: items that come out. A lot of times we learn
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: it from the news articles. In this case that that's
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: what it was for me reading about like I see
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one softball team. Why what's significant about the
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: night softball?
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: What are we celebrating about them?
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: And Paul Kirk, head of communications who who uh does
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of the writing and sends out a lot
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: of the emails on this It sent out the email
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: on this sort of thing.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: He wrote a really good summary.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: It tells you, Okay, this is why the nineteen ninety
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: one softball team is is uh.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: Notable, And so we had a few days to study
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: that a little bit.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: Oh see, which is why you did you sounded it
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: did such a great job with coach Hoage just now.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: But also I thought I knew all the basics that
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: I would need to know to sound intelligent about it.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: But then but then Amy informs us that was in
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: a whack championship. That wasn't a whack tournament, that was
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: for the whack Championship. I did not know there was
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: that those kind of stakes. Yeah, on that double header,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: it was a doubleheader, they had to win one of
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: those games against Creighton. Creighton won the first game, which
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: by the way, I think they won one to zero
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: in the first game, that is thirty one innings and
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: only one run thirty one innings for a run. Yeah,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: they won the opener one zero in thirty one innings
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: and that forced a second game in that championship round
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: twenty minute break, finishing at six oh eight. The Utes
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: won the second game four to three, and they got
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: into regionals because of that, and then they made it
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: into the Women's College World Series because of wins at
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: region So they Charmel Green, who you all of you
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: have seen her. I don't know how many of you
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: know Charmel. Charmel is on the sidelines all the time.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: Charmel was a member of this team. She holds the
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: NCAA record for most hits in a single game. She
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: had seven hits and coach told us that in fourteen
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: at bats in that first game. Uh.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: And she's obviously still part of Utah Athletics today.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, chief chief operating officer for Utah Athletics, Deputy athletic director.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, she's like the number two to
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: Mark Carlin right now, or she's at least in the
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: top echelon of the Utah athletic department. Can you imagine
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: getting fourteen at bats in one game? Four players on
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: the Utah team had fourteen at bats and everyone else
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: had thirteen at bats in that game, that first game,
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: and then they're just like, Okay, have an orange slice,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go play another twenty five inning games. Sip
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: some gate or not, sip chuck some gatorade. Let's get
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: back out there. Which, by the way, that is the
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: thing when you when you said to coach Amy Hoague,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: just now there's no there's gotta be rules against playing
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: that much in a twelve hour period. The middle break
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: is the big thing. That's like, there's no way they
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: would they would move that to the next day. This
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: postponed to the next day, and it would be an
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: evening game the next day. How about the fact that
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Creighton's pitcher, again, according to coach, went fifty one of
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: the fifty six innings. Shout out to her, your arm
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: would fall off. Yeah, what are you doing anyway? Uh
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: we that needs to be like a thirty for thirty.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: I want I want there to be a bet, like
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: a mini doc on the at the very least on
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: that doubleheader.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: That is insanity.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: I want to be I want to be invited to
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: the reunion when the Creighton players and the Utah players
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: going they tell their stories because think.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: The trainer, she said, the athletic passed out, like the one.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: In charge of keeping the kids so that they don't
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: pass out and have bad injuries and bad health scares
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: or whatever she had kind of a health scare or
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: he did, whoever it was. Imagine you're like, Okay, we're
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: gonna play this. We're gonna play this very important whack
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: championship game. All right, whack championship doubleheader. If we have to,
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: it's six pm. We'll be out here at midnight. Nope,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: seven inning games by the way, softball, So you're really thinking, oh, yeah,
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: we'll definitely be out of here before midnight, because that's
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: two winnings less than a baseball game. So these are short.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: These are shorter games.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: They really aren't used to playing, you know, hours long
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: games more than a couple hours. Well done, James, getting
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: Amy Hoague.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: On shout out.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: Shout out to her for being willing and for spending
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: the time. She mentioned she is actively recruiting right now. Uh,
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: so that busy coach is busy. We appreciate her giving
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: us about a half hour over time.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: Now, my fellow Utah Athletics Hall of.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: Famer, Yeah, I was waiting for you to you half
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: jokingly welcome her into the Hall of Fame.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: Oh see, I don't know why you didn't do it.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what's really funny, is she said oll
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: of her she thinks all the teammates will show up
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: for the reunion. Uh, the the all four team. Most
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: of the good players on the team didn't show up
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: for the reunion. The reunion was like us. It was
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: like the backups, the walk ons. Uh, the guys who
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: are local still that were good players on that team.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: They showed up, but there weren't like a ton of
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: people who flew in to be part of the festivities.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: Well you think about Alex Smith and Eric Weddle were
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: both still playing in the league.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that they have a pass. They have an
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: excuse there.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: So you I mean, it was recent enough there were
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: they were still their careers were still going on, so
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: you got you got a lot of that going on.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: That's obviously not the case with the ninety one, not
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of that going on.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: There was only like three guys from the team still
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: in the league, so few then, like you know, so
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: they get a pass. No one expects them to like
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to show up to walk through because
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like I'm going to this dinner I'm going to
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. But like you know, and Morgan
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: was on the staff obviously and had to be there.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: Was on the staff, had to be there. Didn't want
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: to be there, they just had to be nutskin. But
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: there there were a lot of guys that just weren't
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: there like really good important players on the team, and
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: you're just like, why didn't you show up Urban still coaching?
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: Urban was there? Was he there?
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, he wasn't coaching. He was he was just left
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: Ohio State maybe in that time. Yeah, Urban Urban was there,
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: but like it was. We had a good laugh about
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: it with all the guys that were just like the
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: if I don't know, let's say fifty guys showed up,
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: thirty were people who had zero stats on the team.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, cool, I guess we're all
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: living in the days. And the guys who actually played
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: were just like, no, I live that, I have fun.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: My memories are elsewhere. So anyway, we went way over
• 2:22:08
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  Speaker 2: earlier in the show, what is a change you want
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: to see happen for Utah football this year? Morgan Scalley
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: has a bit of a blank slate. The identity is
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of similarities. He RSNB relentless, smart
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: and nasty ballhawks. He wants people running to the ball.
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  Speaker 2: He wants aggression, he wants intelligence that means before and
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: after the play, not as much trash talk whatever, Right,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: what do I want to see? What's something that I
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: want to see? There was a time where Utah football
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: was among the very best special teams squads in the nation.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: And we kind of laughed about it.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: We kind of joked about it sometimes where you're only
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: all American was a punter, You're only all American was
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: a kicker, right, and it was kind of like a
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: dubious honor to have. But then even in the championship years,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: the PAC twelve Championship years, like special teams for whatever
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: reason kind of fell off a little bit. I want
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: Utah to get that advantage back because it was a
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: serious advantage and one of my hottest Utah football takes
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: and something that people either agree with wholeheartedly, but most
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: of them argue against me. I will die on the
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: hill of if your kickoff team was better, you win
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl against Ohio State. If Ohio State's starting
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: field position was not half like fifty yard line or
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: better or near the fifty yard line every single drive,
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: then even Mackay Bernard at corner and fatigue in that
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: game and whatever else played into it, you end up
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: winning that game. It drove me absolutely in that there
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: was too much meat on the bone and people, we
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: all we talked about after that game was you know,
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: the fact that you had to, you know, to play
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: against the backups of an All American wide receiver room
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: and they ended up being just as good, if not
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: better than the guys that were replaced. And then you
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: talked about Cam Rising getting knocked out literally in that game,
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: and then you talked about Bryce and Barnes coming in
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: and still leading a drive and winning. For me, one
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: of the key aspects of that game. And I hate
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: to bring up old stuff, but I also kind of
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: love to bring up old stuff.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: You know this about me.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: If Utah football can get back to being an elite
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: special team squad, it gives you a bit of a
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: bit of an out on maybe not having an elite
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: offensive line for a couple of games, or maybe not
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: having a perfect pass rush for a couple of games.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: Starting field position, especially now in college sports, matters so
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: much for opponent play calling, for momentum in games and
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: things like that. I don't know what happened to Utah
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: special teams, but that was one of the blind spots
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: of the latter part of Utah. Of Kyle Whittingham's Utah
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: career is it was maybe the only regression that he had.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: Offense got a lot better, special teams got a lot worse.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: And I don't need a Ray Guy Award winner as
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: your punter. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: about your kick coverage teams. I'm talking about your return teams.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: And then and then there was also a lot of
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: speaking of punting and kicking. There was a lot more
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: of like, oh, that used to be a chip shot
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: field goal for us, and we're not talking I'm not
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: talking about Sam Gay fifty five yard sixty yard range.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about me, Matt Gay. Sorry, Matt Gay. I
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: don't know why I said Sam Gay, Matt Gay. I'm
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: talking about between forty and fifty yards. There was a
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: lot more of like, oh, we're missing those field goals. Now,
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: there was a lot more. The punters are like, oh,
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: they're shanking it a lot more. It's a lot shorter punted.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: You're right, the kick coverage is probably the most important
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: of all that, but also some of the other stuff
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: fell off. I'll ask you this. Jay Hill was the
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: special teams coordinator for a long time. If I'm not mistaken,
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: he left to coach to take the Weaber State head
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: coaching job in twenty fourteen. I wonder if and this
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: is no shot at Sharif Shaw, who's taken over, who's
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: now the special teams coordinator was for a long time
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: after Jay Hill. But I wonder if Jay Hill was
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: just so elite at that that him moving on to
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: take head coaching job and defensive coordinator's jobs now had
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: had a bigger effect on that sort of thing than
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: maybe realized he might I actually would really like to
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: get into the weeds on it, because, look, it's possible
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: that Sharif Shaw is maybe not the problem, but also
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: not an ultimate solution. It's possible that he outsourced too
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: much of it because there was like one thing about
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: this coaching staff. In order to retain coaches, right, you
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: gave people a lot of responsibilities.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: You gave people a lot of like titles, you know
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: So it's like, make sure they feel important, make sure
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: they have a big role that makes them feel like, yeah,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: they're investing in me here kind of thing. So even
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: while Sharif has been special teams coordinator, there were times
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: where he was not in charge of the kick coverage units.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: He was not in charge, like he was outsourcing some
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: of that. I don't know.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a benefit, maybe it's a problem. I truly
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think maybe a bigger thing for me
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: is there was a time it felt like where there
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: was a pretty distinct line between the types of players
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: who were playing on your special teams.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: Starters were not doing it right. For the most part.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: You did not have your starting linebacker, you're starting safety,
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: you're starting corner running down on a average team, and
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: there's multiple reasons for that. Injury risk is one. Also,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: no starter, no every down starter takes his special team's
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: duties as seriously as he's supposed to.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: They just don't.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's very rare exception to this bigger fish to fry,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: Like Cam Scataboo played every special team for Arizona State
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: when he was down there.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 1: But that's so rare.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's just because Cam Scataboo his brain only
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: works for football, So anytime he's playing football, he's playing
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: football one thousand percent. I think that he can't read, probably,
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: and football is just like the thing that he does, right,
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: So maybe he was an outlier someone who could do
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: that right, like maybe Taysom Hill. You can give him
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: special teams duties because that's what he is. And there's
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: been guys at Utah that did, like Chase Hansen played
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: great on special teams coverage before he was an every
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: down starter and even after he was an every down starter.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: But I think that's part of it.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: And you always hear me advocating for like the underdog,
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: the walk on the backup kid. That is where you
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: cut your teeth and that is how you get onto
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: the field. It just is and it always was, and
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: I think that there's been some departure from that in
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: certain years where maybe the guy who would be best
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: at it wasn't given the opportunity because well, now your
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: starter's getting paid, so milk as much a production out
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: of him as he can. Well, he doesn't run quite
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: as fast as forty as the starter, so don't put
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: him out there on kickoff because he's not gonna get
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: there as fast.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: And there's not enough nuance to the opinion like this
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: is his super Bowl every game.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: The starter, Yeah, runs a lot faster, but he's not
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: running a lot faster on kickoff because he's worried about
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: keeping a little gas in the tank for when he's,
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: you know, playing star as a starting defensive player. I
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: really don't know the exact and I know that they've
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: taken a look at it in every different angle, so
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: they probably would be laughing at me asking these questions,
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: but I really want to know, because there was a
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: time where you knew you were going to pin an
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: opponent back if you were punting, Like, dang it, we
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: didn't get our first down. They're not gonna have good
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: field position though, and even on kickoff, it's like we're
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: either kicking it out of the back of the end
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: zone or failing that, we're gonna make the damn tackle.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, urban Meyer had a lot of
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: flaws as a human.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: As a coach, though, he was fanatic about discipline on
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: special teams and about the importance of special teams and
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: he passed that on and it was part of the
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: thing for Utah football, and then it kind of got
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: lost and I don't know why I want it back
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: under Morgan Scalley. And I think we will have a
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: greater emphasis on it with Morgan Scalley. And I think
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: part of it is making sure it's the right players
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: on special teams. Anyway, eight seven seven three five three
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• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: need Utah football to have that maybe they didn't last year.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: And they were a really good team last year, really good.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: But sometimes good is the enemy of great. And this
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: is a good example for me. You can be an
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: awesome defense and awesome offense, but if you have a
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: liability in special teams, if you're turning the ball over
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: in special teams, or if you're giving up field position,
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: now your great offense and your great defense are at
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: a disadvantage because of that third phase.
• 2:33:32
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• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: Gordy Chez had joined us earlier and he talked about
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  Speaker 2: his list was of the players who had scored twenty
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: points or more in their in their career and that
• 2:34:55
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  Speaker 2: He's number one on the list. He's eclips one thousand
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  Speaker 2: the players all time number of games scoring twenty or
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  Speaker 2: more points eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Where did the iconic jazz man Carl Malone rank on
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  Speaker 2: Gordy's list eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 2: something we did not have enough time to really get
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  Speaker 2: to today, but we did talk about the the membabilia,
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  Speaker 2: the great find of a Wilt Chamberlain game war and
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  Speaker 2: warm up jersey or excuse me jacket that was then
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  Speaker 2: flipped after thrifting for three dollars and seven cents for
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  Speaker 2: eighty nine thousand, six hundred dollars at auction.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to get the same.
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  Speaker 2: Return on investment no matter how long you keep a
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  Speaker 2: Field of Dreams game.
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  Speaker 1: To Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: The Twins in the Phillies are playing in Dyersville at
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: the Field of Dreams game this year.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to the.
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  Speaker 2: Field of Dreams in Dyersville. Before it was a big
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  Speaker 2: modern megasports complex. It's a cool little spot, and now
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  Speaker 2: it's even cooler because it is a big modern megasports complex.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's great that they do Major League Baseball
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  Speaker 2: games there in the cornfields. I think it's wonderful. It's
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  Speaker 2: a great You know, baseball should, more than anything else,
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  Speaker 2: lean into its pop culture, lean us into its traditions and.
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  Speaker 1: Things like that.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think a Twins or Phillies Field of
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  Speaker 2: Dreams game jersey, the official jersey, not the game warn ones,
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  Speaker 2: but the fan ones. What do you think that'll run you?
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  Speaker 2: From fanatics this year? James special edition jersey. It's not
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  Speaker 2: like limited though, They're just doing a huge run of
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  Speaker 2: these things. Yeah, but it's got the Field of Dreams
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  Speaker 2: patch on it. It's a throwbacks pinstripe for the Twins.
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  Speaker 2: Phillies just looks like every other ugly Phillies uniform to me.
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  Speaker 2: But what what do you think it'll run you? And
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  Speaker 2: it's the nice one. It's not the screen printed it's
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  Speaker 2: the tackle twill Right, it's gotta be one hundred, couple
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  Speaker 2: hundred more than a than a regular jersey. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: say at least six hundred bucks. It's four hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty dollars. Okay, still a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing? Like you want fans to buy
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  Speaker 1: a four hundred and twenty dollars shirt? Yeah, knock it off. Cool,
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  Speaker 1: I'm all on.
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  Speaker 2: Board with right, Like you want an authentic NHL hockey
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  Speaker 2: sweater that's about two hundred bucks, right, that's expensive.
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  Speaker 1: They go up to three.
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  Speaker 2: That's expensive. The Winter Classic ones, they're probably gonna be
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  Speaker 2: four hundred, five hundred dollars. My little nephew is gonna
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  Speaker 2: want one, and I'm a I'm that uncle. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to get them one, and it's gonna drive me insane.
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  Speaker 1: But stop it.
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  Speaker 2: One game four hundred and twenty dollars for a baseball jersey,
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  Speaker 8: Don't you know about a website where you can get
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  Speaker 8: all these things for like five dollars?
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  Speaker 4: I do?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Oh, I see what we're doing.
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  Speaker 8: We're we're complaining about it publicly and putting the message
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  Speaker 8: out there that you're getting the actual jersey and then
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  Speaker 8: you're gonna pay the five dollars for the jersey.
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  Speaker 1: But no one knows the difference. It's more like thirty Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not it's okay, well whatever it is.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Honestly, this underscore is a bigger point where I
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  Speaker 8: was kind of following the secondary market for the World
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  Speaker 8: Cup tickets. Yeah, so I have a screenshot of the
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  Speaker 8: stadium the seat chart for the final two hours before
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 8: it kicked off, and tickets were still going for like
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  Speaker 8: ten grand, yeah, like upper level. My question is where
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  Speaker 8: are people getting all of this money to do all
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  Speaker 8: of these things.
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  Speaker 2: There was a bunch of social media accounts that were
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  Speaker 2: just like college age kids standing there with a microphone
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  Speaker 2: and going you go into the World Cup finals. People
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: are walking into the World Cup Final like, yeah, how
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  Speaker 2: much did you spend on your tickets? And the answers
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: were anywhere from ten thousand dollars to like eighty thousand
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 2: dollars for their tickets, And then the next question would
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: be like what do you do for a living?
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: And with rare exception, it was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I own my own company, I'm a lawyer, like
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  Speaker 2: I inherited this money whatever. And then there's like one
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  Speaker 2: person who's laughing and just like, oh, i'd drive a
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  Speaker 2: garbage truck and I probably shouldn't have bought this, and
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  Speaker 2: you're just like, Okay, I'm on that guy's level. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean pricing fans out of sport. It hasn't happened yet,
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  Speaker 2: which is odd because you look at it and you
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 2: see some of these numbers and you're just like, no
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  Speaker 2: one can do this, but then they're sold out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously some people can do it.
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  Speaker 2: If it keeps increasing the way it is, if the
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: greeting keeps increasing the way it has, then at some
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 2: point we are going to reach this point of no
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  Speaker 2: return where everyone's just like I'll watch it on TV
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  Speaker 2: and so.
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  Speaker 8: Many people are there anyway. You know, I prefer watching
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 8: games at home, I'll tell you that much. But it
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 8: wasn't just the World Cup. I remember like trying to
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 8: get to MSG for the NBA Finals. Yeah, and the
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 8: Athletic did this piece where one of their writers followed
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 8: some people and interviewed some people in the upper deck
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 8: and they were like, yeah, I took on eighteen thousand
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 8: dollars a credit card debt to go to a basketball game.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 8: It's like, well, and what's your APR? Like fifteen percent
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 8: on the low end, it's probably closer to twenty eight
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 8: or thirty usually. Yeah, so you're paying a thirty percent
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  Speaker 8: markup for a basketball game. And yes, maybe it's a
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 8: once in a lifetime thing if you're a Nick fan,
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  Speaker 8: But I don't know, man, it just it turns into
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  Speaker 8: the same old debate about capitalism and supplying demand.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, people are still going. But I'm
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 1: watching the World Cup final.
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  Speaker 8: I'm like, there are a lot of people that traveled
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 8: from other countries, right, and like made this track?
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  Speaker 1: Are you saving your entire life? Did you sell?
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 8: Did you take a second mortgage out? Are you literally
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 8: putting it on a credit card. It's it's just wild
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 8: to consider the financial ramifications of just wanting to have
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  Speaker 8: an experience maybe with your daughter and son.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder, if you're like from Cape Vaired, if you
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: can for the World Cup, you can get an American
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 2: credit card and just like and.
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  Speaker 1: Then just bounce it, just bounce. There's like good luck collecting.
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  Speaker 1: There's no extra good luck. Yeah, like, have fun collecting
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  Speaker 1: this money? Yeah, because in that case whatever.
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  Speaker 8: But and look, the reality of the business of sport
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 8: is ticket prices go up every year.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna they're getting.
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  Speaker 8: In with private equity involved in certain properties here locally
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  Speaker 8: that shall remain nameless. Those tickets might go up even
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 8: more than you're expecting. And look, only the only way
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  Speaker 8: to curtail this is to inspire some sort of massive
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 8: movement where you just say no, we're not going anymore.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 8: But the wait list for season tickets to Utah football
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 8: is pretty long, and so you say no, someone else
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 8: is ready to say yes, and then you're on a
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 8: waiting list again for another ten years.
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 1: Tough, tough deal. Yeah, it is a tough deal. You
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: ever been to a thrift store?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dollar store? You ever found no, not a dollar
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 2: store like a used like a di Yeah, good will?
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: You ever found a Wilt Chamberlain game?
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  Speaker 1: Warn? I saw the jacket.
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  Speaker 8: I will tell you what. As a result of some
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 8: spring cleaning I did once upon a time. There are
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 8: several people downtown that may not live in a home,
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 8: that have a bunch of RSL polos, a bunch of
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 8: like old school jazz polos. I gave away because in
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 8: this business you get a lot of free gear.
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  Speaker 6: Yay.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry if that sounds a certain way, but if
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 8: you don't start moving on from it, I've been doing
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 8: this twenty years. I'd box is full of like RSL
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 8: two thousand nine MLS Cup Champion T shirts.
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  Speaker 1: So the answer is no.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't make a hobby of going to thrift
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 8: shops and looking around to try to find sports paraphernalia.
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  Speaker 2: But I did see that, and it's worth what it
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  Speaker 2: was ninety grand. He sold it for eighty nine, six
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  Speaker 2: hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Good for him. Bought it for three oh seven.
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  Speaker 8: It was that expensive at a thrift store it was
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 8: seven oh I was thinking three hundred and seven three
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  Speaker 8: dollars and.
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  Speaker 2: Seven cents for a game worn NBA Finals Wilt Chamberlain
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  Speaker 2: warm up jacket.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe that's a good ROI maybe we need to start
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  Speaker 8: making a hobby of heading down to thrift stores.
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  Speaker 1: It's a three million PERCENTROI not bad.
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there might be a pair of Andy Williams shorts
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  Speaker 8: at your local d if you want to head downtown
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  Speaker 8: right now.
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  Speaker 2: All right, thanks everyone who listened today. Uh James you
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  Speaker 2: didn't Ryan Clark be on the show, so I'm going
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 2: to count it as a success.
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  Speaker 8: By the way, stay tuned. Let me let me ask
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 8: you because we were talking. I actually asked Bill. I
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 8: had Bill on the show yesterday when the news was breaking.
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 8: Bill was called off a road trip while he was
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 8: calling a basketball game to be fired. What's the weirdest
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 8: way you've ever lost a job? Is there one thing
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 8: that comes to mind?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you know what? We can go to break? I
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 1: just yeah, we might be. I might be sitting in
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 1: the same seat I heard I was. I heard what
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 1: I said out loud. I'm realizing the question I asked.
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  Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the Drive with Spens Check. It's thanks
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  Speaker 1: for listening. We'll do it again tomorrow. ESPN seven hundred
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