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Jenn Nizza: Counterfeits, Candles, Chakras, And Warning Christian Parents · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hello again, welcome to World View Matters.
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  We appreciate you guys so very much, especially your prayers and encouragement and God bless
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  you.
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  We're driving this thing, but you guys are very kind to be praying for us.
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  And thank you for that.
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  Very good show today.
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  I've got planned with Jen Niza.
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  I haven't talked to her since last year, and I'm looking forward to this conversation
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  catching up.
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  And there are some things that I don't think in all the interviews we've had with her or
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  Doreen Virtue.
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  I don't think there's some things we haven't touched on.
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  So we'll see what we can get to today.
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  What's in your bookstore to be careful of and all that and more.
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  Let's bring her in right now.
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  Jen Niza, expsychicsaved.com is the website expsychicsaved.com.
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  Good to see you, sister.
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  It's so good to be with you, David.
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  God bless you.
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  Yeah, God bless you.
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  Now, before we jump in, since you were on last, praise God.
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  We've got newer listeners and viewers.
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  So let's go to your books, your first book that came out, which was from psychic to saved,
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  correct?
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  Yes.
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  And then, of course, the one we've talked about before, out of the new age and into the
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  truth.
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  You guys might need to be checking these out because this has not gone away.
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  It's permeating our culture from Hollywood to libraries to books and movies and everything
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  else.
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  But before we jump into some of these issues that you want to warn Christian parents about
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  Jen, last time we had you on, we were both almost in tears at the end.
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  Of our conversation, why people are going really, because the day after Charlie Kirk
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  was assassinated, we decided to come into the studio and to continue with our schedule
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  and do record a bunch of podcasts.
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  And Jen was one of those guests that next day that we recorded with.
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  And Jeff, if you want to bring that up, people can search that out.
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  I really liked that conversation.
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  And it was powerful.
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  It was, yeah, go to worldviewmatters.tv and just type in Jen, Niza, N-I-Z-Z-A.
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  And that one will come up.
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  But the title of that one was The World View and Spirit Behind Today's Hate.
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  So Jen, Niza, what in your observation has changed if anything, or what have you seen
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  since September 10, 2025, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated?
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  Well, it's interesting, and I'm definitely interested to hear your opinion on this
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  too, David, because at first, it almost seemed like we saw this rise in the desire.
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  And I think we did.
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  It didn't seem like it, for salvation, people were coming to Christ.
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  I would say revival, to an extent, even, right, revival.
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  And yet now, I mean, I'm just being totally honest with you.
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  I'm seeing some division, things were getting very political, and that does tend to happen.
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  And especially with the organization, of course, the Charlie started.
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  But we start to see a lot of division, which I don't think Charlie would have been too
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  thrilled about if I'm being totally honest.
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  So that's what I'm seeing.
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  Actually as a social media, having a social media platform and being a content creator,
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  seeing a lot of that on Instagram, and just seeing what's happened when you speak the
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  truth, because there was a time, and this may upset some people, but I'm going to say
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  it.
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  I actually stayed in my wheelhouse, David, which of course you know is exposing the new age
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  and the occult.
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  And when Kansas Owens had a dream, and she believed that she was really talking to Charlie
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  Kirk, and she did believe that, and she's clear about that.
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  That's when I made a video about that, just about Necromancy and about demons, masquerading
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  and such.
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  And it caused such a, oh gosh, I'm going to be like an old woman now, a bruha ha, it caused
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  such a...
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  Who says that?
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  Nobody says that.
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  But it was, it was just crazy to see, and I think it almost brings you to a little bit
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  of idolatry, a little idol worship looking at these people, monitoring also Erika Kirk's
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  feelings and the way she's acting and all of these things getting thrown out there.
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  And I would pray that we would go back to seeing more people just with a desire to see
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  God and no God, you know, from and through these trials in life and these tragedies.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, so when you say division, you mean division obviously on the right or division
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  in the conservative movement or in the church, right?
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  Yes, exactly.
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  And of course we did see, oh I'm sorry.
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  And yeah, and there are many, many reasons for that, but you're right.
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  I think it wouldn't, it would dishonor Charlie to be divided with people that we are supposed
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  to be united with.
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  Now, not united on every theological or every doctrine of Scripture, but at least the
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  main, the essentials of the faith, Jesus is Lord.
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  No one comes to the Father except through him.
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  The biblical world view, how we see the world through the lens of Scripture, there are
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  some things we can unite around, but then people get off into the weeds and we've seen
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  all kinds of that.
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  So I see, and then I'll get, I'll throw it over to you again, the double-ledged sword
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  I think.
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  We saw good and we saw bad.
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  We Bible sales searches for God or truth off the charts, young people, young people going
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  to church, older people going back to church after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and
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  turning point USA, growing like crazy chapters all over the place.
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  But then we also saw, and this was eye opening to me, not surprising, but eye opening to see
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  the reaction of too many on the left who were openly celebrating his death.
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  So our country and our culture reached a very different place last year.
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  And part of that is because of the angst stirred up on social media.
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  And the division that is, the left really tries to, you know, push, divide and get people
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  pet it against each other.
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  They're really good at that.
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  It's evil.
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  But they're really good at that.
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  And then when it gets into the church, we have a problem.
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  And it all comes back, in my opinion, to a lack of understanding of the Bible, the biblical
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  illiteracy in the church.
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  And so people get divided over those issues.
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  They shouldn't be divided in, like, immigration or borders or different Israel, different things
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  like that.
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  We should not be divided on.
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  But so what do you think?
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  Before we move on, Jen.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well, yeah.
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  No, I concur.
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  And what I was going to say is we also saw some activity with the witchcraft.
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  Yes.
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  We probably spoke about that on that show.
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  I forgive me.
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  My memory isn't that good.
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  But the witches coming out saying that they were casting spells on Charlie Kirk.
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  And then you have people kind of saying, well, oh, my goodness, Ken, which is cast these
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  spells and cause my demise, my physical demise, of course, not your soul.
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  But can they do that?
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  And they were trying to get some sort of credibility for his passing, giving themselves
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  credibility.
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  Like, yeah, we did this in a sense.
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  You know what I mean?
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  So that prompts fear in the body.
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  And it was like, wait a minute, don't forget that God has control over everything.
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  God has control over everything.
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  So Charlie went home when it was Charlie's time to go home.
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  God is the only one with the say so about everything.
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  So we do not need to live in fear.
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  We need to be aware of the spiritual battle and we have biblical weapons for the spiritual
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  battle.
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  But that was just really sad for me.
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  It's always sad for me to see the witches come out and just be so bold and, you know,
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  make these claims.
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  So talk about that just a little bit more, please, because I think we did touch on that.
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  I don't remember how much we got into it in part of that podcast because there was a
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  lot to discuss in light of what just happened in public at a university where free speech
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  used to be valued and defended.
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  But so witches, they can cast spells all day long.
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  The devil is real.
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  There is some sort of power there because people can be influenced by Satan.
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  But what power do witches have when they cast spells?
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  Talk to us a little bit about that.
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  Yes.
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  So when a witch is casting a spell, they are invoking demons.
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  That's what they are doing.
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  And demons do have power to do things to afflict, of course, all people afflict all people.
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  They cannot possess a Christian.
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  A Christian cannot be possessed by a demon.
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  We certainly can be oppressed by demons.
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  And they have the power to do this and, and, you know, these demons, you know, respond
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  to these witches and will start some trouble and afflict people, but they are on a leash.
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  They are on a leash.
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  That's the best way to put it.
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  You know, God has control and authority over these demons.
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  They have to ask permission.
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  And when you go into the Bible, you'll see,
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  that go to the book of Job, right, go to when the Jesus is casting the demons out of
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  the man.
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  And they ask permission from Jesus to go into the swine demons are not on the same level
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  as God or as our Lord Jesus Christ.
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  Nobody is Jesus has authority over all creation and demons are created beings.
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  So we should not be afraid at all of that, but it should be more reason why you would
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  want to come to Christ, put your faith in trust, believe in your heart and confess with
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  your mouth that Jesus is Lord, that he died for your sin and that he was buried and raised
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  the third day, truly come to him and truly because then you have the true protection.
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  That's the true protection.
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  We cannot be destroyed.
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  A demon cannot destroy us.
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  Not decides, you know, when we go, but we have that ultimate protection because they bow
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  down to Jesus Christ only.
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  And like I said, we can't be possessed.
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  So please come to Christ.
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  The name of the Lord is a strong tower.
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  The righteous run to it and are safe.
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  The name of Jesus is the name of every name and at that name, every knee will bow.
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  Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of the glory of God the Father.
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  We can also, by our own choices, be influenced or allow and open up a door, allow influences
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  that are not godly because there is the Holy Spirit and there are unholy spirits.
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  The spiritual room is very real.
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  This is a good podcast to talk more about that with Jen Niza, something you wanted to share
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  as a concern, Jen, that there are hidden new age items in stores, everyday stores.
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  And one of the things you were concerned about is books that were marketed to children.
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  You've been trying to put out the warning on this for a while, tell us a little bit more
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  about that.
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  Yeah, I really have.
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  And I think a big, one of the big drives I have is that I was oppressed as a child.
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  And looking back, I can see now, just even the things I was watching, the books that
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  I was reading.
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  And so I have this eye now.
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  It's like, you know, laser focus when I go into these places.
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  And they have these, you know, friends sent me a yoga book for children.
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  They're a Taylor Swift books for children.
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  Wicked the movie.
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  Would you know how I feel about that, David?
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  I'm sure.
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  Well, Wicked the movie.
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  Wicked the movie.
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  And I did a whole video about this on my YouTube channel.
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  It just, oh my goodness gracious, number one, it promotes good witchcraft.
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  So there's a good witch.
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  There's a bad witch.
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  It's based off of the wizard of Oz and people say, well, Jen, what do you think about the
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  wizard of Oz?
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  The same exact thing.
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  There is no such thing as good witchcraft and what you think is fantasy and you're just
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  watching this movie, you know, maybe to escape to movie, just fantasy.
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  No, it's the enemy planting seeds in your mind of such a horrible doctrine of demons,
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  which is witchcraft that you have the power to control reality, your circumstances by
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  saying spells and as long as you have good intentions, then it's okay to do that.
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  And that is just not true.
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  Witchcraft is demonic.
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  We do not have the power over anything now by stepping into witchcraft, which God condemns
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  and divination, of course, we are then bringing that we have opened the door and then you're
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  inviting those demons into your life, which will only lead you to destruction, short term
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  and long term if you don't repent and come to Lord Jesus.
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  Yep.
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  A lot more to talk about with Jen Niza, author and former psychic medium, by the way, didn't
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  give her YouTube channel.
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  It's X, E, X, psychic saved on YouTube.
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  There she is.
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  Jen Niza, one thing I haven't heard a lot about is dream catchers.
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  What the heck?
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  I mean, it sounds like spiritual like it sounds like an Indian thing.
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  Tell me what your concern is and why Christians should be a little sensitive to this.
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  Yeah, it is of that culture actually and I would like to stress that I do not have any
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  issue with people and I do not attack people so the people of that culture because sometimes
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  people get offended easily.
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  What I'm doing is addressing the practice of using a dream catcher.
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  So a dream catcher, the idea is that you know you put it over your bed, hang it up.
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  Now it's marketed as decor which is one of my big problems and I talk about that in
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  that video because it's not decor.
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  It actually has spiritual roots and the idea is that it will trap demons or what they
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  might call negative spirits or bad spirits, nightmares, etc.
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  And this would be really looking at it as a tool of protection against evil and of course
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  it is not as we were just talking about Jesus Christ alone is the one who has the authority
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  over demons, not a crocheted looking spider web net with feathers and beads.
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  That's just not going to do it.
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  So you're getting the wrong idea when you have the wrong ideas, right?
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  You're just staying in the demonic oppression.
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  You're staying there.
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  You're staying in the unbelief and the ignorance to the truth of course and then where
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  are you then?
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  You're just inviting more demons in.
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  You're not getting rid of any by doing that.
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  So Christians should not have dream catchers.
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  It is not decoration though it is sold as decoration in our local stores, David, home goods,
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  all sorts of somebody told me they were selling them in Hobby Lobby.
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  Oh no.
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  So yeah, we have to be very discerning.
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  Yeah, it's interesting you say discerning, I mean that's the word of the year in my opinion
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  at least one of the words of the year for the Christian church in America discernment.
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  So just like dream catchers are not just decorations.
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  You talk about other hidden new age and occult items that are in stores.
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  I mean, I think you did two different videos, part one and part two on some of these.
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  So can you condense some of those bullet points for us here?
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  Yeah, of course.
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  Well, the first one was about chakra candles.
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  Okay.
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  What is that?
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  Okay.
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  So well, first of all, a chakra is part of a, again, a doctrine of demons, meaning it's
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  not taught by God, the Holy Spirit, it is taught by the devil.
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  It is the idea in Sanskrit chakra means wheel.
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  So the idea is that there are 144 chakras and that it's an energy center, a wheel of energy
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  that when it moves clockwise, then you would have optimal health, whether that would be emotional,
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  physical and psychic and spiritual health.
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  So like the third eye, people probably have heard of the third eye, etc.
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  So of course, there is no such thing as a chakra that there are not little energy wheels
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  that need to be balanced like I used to do when I was a psychic medium, I used to do chakra
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  balancing with a pendulum.
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  So they correlate with colors, David, certain colors and just all of the psychic information,
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  it's so, it's so bad.
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  So I'm in CVS one day, just innocently in CVS doing your regular CVS thing, I don't
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  remember what it was that day, right?
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  And I see these candles and what drew me to the candle was the colors.
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  They were so pretty and they were kind of like, you know, on a low shelf and I had to
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  get closer because hello, I'm old and I couldn't say.
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  So I have to get closer to see what this is and I'm looking and it has these words on
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  it, whatever chakra, confidence, peace, like offering you these things, if you like this
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  candle, it will provide those things for you, okay?
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  Yeah, there it is, New Age and CVS.
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  These candles and think about how Satan masquerades as an angel of light, right?
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  Think about a candle, a candle offers you light, it offers you warmth.
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  These are pretty colors.
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  Not teenager, okay?
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  Do we know, okay, that isn't battling.
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  Some sort of issue in their life, some strife, maybe they don't like themselves, maybe
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  they're being bullied, maybe they're battling confidence and whatever these candles are
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  offering them.
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  Oh, here's a solution, here's a solution.
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  So I always say, you know, the New Age is always going to the problem for the solution.
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  Yeah.
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  It's also interesting, it's a counterfeit, Jesus is the light of the world.
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  And by the way, early on, I think there was a tradition that people put before electricity,
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  they put candles on their Christmas trees, I think I can't imagine that, candles on a
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  tree, but anyway, there is that kind of tradition, but just the fact of a candle with showing
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  the light, you think about the light of Christ and we are to be the light of the world.
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  So they're trying to kind of counterfeit that, but a couple of things, I think I got this
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  on your video in the description.
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  They're marketed these chakra candles as boosting confidence, opening your heart, promoting
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  emotional healing, increasing intuition, candles, how do they do that?
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  They can't.
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  They can't.
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  But they're selling the idea.
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  Right, that's it David, that's what it is, it's the concept, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Of course, these created things have no ability and besides that, like you said, it's a counterfeit.
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  We need to go to God for those things, right?
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  We go to Jesus to have peace, we go to Jesus to have joy and for our true identity in Christ
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  as His children, so that we're not running around thinking that we need to build this
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  sort of confidence, but here's the thing, right?
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  If it looks pretty, if it looks innocent, that's a great deceptive trick of the evil one
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  just to get you into the practice, right?
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  The promise of it, just to get you into the practice and it's idolatrous and it's going
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  away from Jesus.
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  So the enemy is keeping that person away from the truth, away from true protection, the
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  true identity and the true peace and getting them to step into the sin of divination and, you
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  know, and all of the doctrines of demons.
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  Yeah.
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  And we're just talking about candles and dream catchers.
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  I mean, there's, I mean, go back to, I don't know if anything was a greater move for
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  Satan and the advancement of witchcraft than the Harry Potter brand, the Harry Potter movies
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  in that series and then the vampires and zombies, Twilight and everything else.
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  There's this attraction to the spiritual and really zombies, think about that.
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  That's like, okay, you can't kill them.
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  They're dead, but you can't, you know what I mean?
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  It's just this, this, this supernatural.
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  But so there's this attraction, but before we run out of time, Jen, Neza, I wanted to ask
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  you about a video you did on crystals and sage and you had in the title, false protection.
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  So is it, my understanding that crystals or sage are things that kind of like shoe way
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  bad spirits are protect a person and that's new age, right?
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  Tell us about that.
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  That's exactly what the new age will teach you.
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  As a matter of fact, burning white sage is called smudging and is something that I used
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  to do before readings, before I was even going to do my own meditations and automatic
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  writings.
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  The idea is that you're, when you burn that sage that it is driving away evil spirits
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  or negative energy, we would have called it, okay, negative energy, we never would have
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  called anything a demon, but negative energy.
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  And the idea is the same with crystals that you could actually protect yourself with crystals
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  or shoe off demons with these crystals, right?
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  That there would be a crystal to protect you.
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  So I would have these crystals, a lot of people wear the crystals, which is, will wear them.
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  People will put them on the chakras that correlate with the chakras.
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  All the new age concepts overlap, by the way, they won't overlap.
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  But of course, this is not true.
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  Crystals are pretty rocks created by God.
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  And there's nothing wrong with having a crystal as decor, as we give glory to God for it.
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  Thank you, Lord Jesus.
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  This is a beautiful rock.
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  Thank you for making it fantastic.
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  And that's it, right?
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  It's when you step into divination with these created things.
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  I mean, sage is a plant, an herb, right?
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  So it has no control, authority or power over anything, over anything.
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  So talk to us a little bit more about crystals.
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  I know we're down to just a few minutes left with you, but I've heard Christians talk about
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  these things and have them on their mantle or whatever.
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  And it's concerning when you talk about Christians, is there an innocent way you can display
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  these or use these or is it all something to avoid?
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  No, you don't have to, as a Christian, you do not have to avoid them.
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  I would actually say if you were in the new age, of course, pray before, if someone,
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  because somebody might give you a gift or whatever, that could be a stumbling block for you.
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  That could bring, that could be a temptation for you.
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  So I would just say if you have a past like I do, I would not just go start buying
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  crystals and put them around, but if you don't have that past, absolutely have them.
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  I mean, look at wedding rings, right?
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  With diamonds and women wear jewelry and, you know, because gemstones and crystals are
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  created by God and they're beautiful.
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  Don't have anything, of course, that's idolatrous.
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  So you're not going to get a crystal figurine of a Buddha, something, you know, you're not
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  going to do that.
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  If you just simply think they're pretty and you have one around, that's fine.
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  There's no problem there.
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  Totally fine.
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  Okay.
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  Good.
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  I'm glad we clarified that.
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  Yeah, but they're not something that people can put crystals in with the idea that
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  the crystals will help bring peace to our home.
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  That's not right.
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  Right.
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  That's a little different.
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  Right.
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  That's the idea.
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  Like you said before, if once you get into the concept, the false concept, those lies,
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  the new age lies, that's where you have the problem with the thought, the practice
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  realm.
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  Got it.
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  Okay.
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  Friends, and we just touched on some of these topics.
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  Jen's got in-depth videos on her YouTube channel, ex-psychic saved, if you go to her YouTube,
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  on any of these.
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  And Jen, I bet you you've talked about yoga quite a bit through the years.
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  That's another kind of a hot, but an issue in the church, but it shouldn't be.
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  But anyway, we need to get educated on that.
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  Remember, friends, the Bible comes first.
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  Jesus.
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  That's our final authority.
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  So closing thoughts in about 30 seconds, sister.
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  Yeah.
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  To test the spirit.
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  So any practice, ideology, concept, you really need to take it to the Word of God and
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  test it.
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  And do your due diligence.
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  Look into these things.
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  I mean, I know that they, it's not as available as it should be.
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  And I pray that the church would talk more and more about yoga.
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  And certainly not offer it, not having it, I can be extremely confusing to the Christian.
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  So do your due diligence, because remember, there are people too that may just not know.
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  They may not know.
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  So go into what the spiritual roots are of things and learn from us ex-new ageers.
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  Yeah.
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  Thank you, Jen.
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  expsychicsaved.com.
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  Check out our website and get more information there.
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  Jen, thanks for your time.
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  Great to catch up with you, sister.
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  God bless you.
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  God bless you.
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  Thank you, friends, for sharing the podcast and for your prayers.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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  See you next time.