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Reclaiming the Stolen American Dream with Batya Ungar-Sargon (Ep.221) · V

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Speaker 1: They used to call it the American dream. One job,
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Speaker 1: one income, a family, a house, a future. That's all
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Speaker 1: it took. But for my generation, Gen Z, that dream's
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Speaker 1: starting to feel kind of like a cruel joke. We're
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Speaker 1: not building wealth. We're barely treading water. And the truth
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Speaker 1: is that it didn't have to be this way. This
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Speaker 1: country didn't collapse. It was sold off. The people who
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Speaker 1: were supposed to protect us, our politicians, our executives, our elites,
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Speaker 1: They didn't just fail us, they betrayed us. They stripped
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Speaker 1: our factories for parts, shipped our jobs to slave wage
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Speaker 1: economies overseas, and handed the profits to Wall Street, all
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Speaker 1: while telling us it was moral, moral to let China.
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Speaker 2: Eat our lunch.
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Speaker 1: They called it free trade. But if we're being honest,
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Speaker 1: that trade was never free, and it was never fair.
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Speaker 1: It was always rigged, rigged against the American worker. These
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Speaker 1: aren't captains of industry. Really, they're pirates in suits. And
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Speaker 1: while they fly on private jets and hoard real estate portfolios,
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Speaker 1: the rest of us are stuck in a renter's economy.
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Speaker 1: Young people today can't afford a home, can't raise a
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Speaker 1: family on one income, can't even picture retiring without debt.
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Speaker 1: We've become a nation of lifelong tenants paying rent not
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Speaker 1: just to landlords, but to institutions that own everything. The land,
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Speaker 1: the food, the medicine, even the data on our phones, assets,
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Speaker 1: essential resources are being vacuumed up, centralized. in the hands
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Speaker 1: of very few. And when someone finally dares to challenge
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Speaker 1: this rigged game, someone like President Trump, he's not just
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Speaker 1: up against the left, he's up against everyone. Democrats, Republicans, lobbyists,
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Speaker 1: media corporations, they're all closing ranks. Because Trump's not just
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Speaker 1: challenging a party, he's challenging a system that's been broken
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Speaker 1: for decades. You think the left ever cared about Occupy
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Speaker 1: Wall Street? The movement was a flash of anger from
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Speaker 1: the people, but their political class They squashed it. Because
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Speaker 1: deep down, the ruling class on both sides serves the
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Speaker 1: same master. But something's happening right now. Populism is rising,
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Speaker 1: real populism, not the kind that gets bought off or
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Speaker 1: focus grouped into nothing. People from left, right, and everything
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Speaker 1: in between are waking up and they're realizing that this
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Speaker 1: country has been hollowed out, not by accident, but by design.
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Speaker 1: A lot of us are realizing that we're not enemies.
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Speaker 1: We are fellow citizens who have been played, pitted against
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Speaker 1: each other, while the people at the top cash out
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Speaker 1: and fly away. But now, I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: us are done watching. We're done waiting. We want our
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Speaker 1: country back. And one voice who has been incredibly strong
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Speaker 1: in this area is Batia Ungar Sargon. We've played many
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Speaker 1: of her soundbites on this show, and she's someone who
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Speaker 1: I perhaps disagree with, and many of you in the
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Speaker 1: chat may disagree with on various topics, but can find
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Speaker 1: common ground on this idea of the American dream, the
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Speaker 1: preservation of the middle class. Batia, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being here.
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Speaker 3: It is such an honor to be here with you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. You come from
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Speaker 3: a family that I admire in my bones. Your parents
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Speaker 3: are the most incredible, incredible people, brilliant and kind and
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Speaker 3: good and patriotic. And it's such an honor to be
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Speaker 3: here with you. That opening was just.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 3: I got chills listening to it because you totally nailed
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Speaker 3: the proposition of the Trump administration right now, this second
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Speaker 3: Trump term, and how unifying it is in terms of
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Speaker 3: delivering for the American people what they have wanted for
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Speaker 3: so long and not been able to get either side
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Speaker 3: to deliver on. So all of which is to say,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 1: Well, it means a lot to hear that from you, Batia,
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Speaker 1: because you've been so strong on this issue. And so
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Speaker 1: wonderful at articulating what's really happening. Where are the sides here?
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Speaker 1: And you're going on to places like MSNBC and CNN
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Speaker 1: and articulating this to an audience that I think can
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Speaker 1: actually really get something out of it. You have a
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Speaker 1: unique voice here because You're somebody who's identified for a
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Speaker 1: very long time as a liberal, and yet you're a
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Speaker 1: supporter of President Trump. Talk to me a little bit
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Speaker 1: about what you've observed change in the Democratic Party, why you,
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Speaker 1: I think maybe perhaps, I don't know how you voted
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Speaker 1: in the past, but perhaps voted for Democrats in the
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Speaker 1: past and have changed and evolved, and why you think
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Speaker 1: other Democrats maybe should reconsider.
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Speaker 3: So, For a very long time, the Democratic Party was
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Speaker 3: built around the idea of representing the common man, the
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Speaker 3: working class, labor, middle America. And the Republicans were the
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Speaker 3: party of the elites and the country club and corporations
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Speaker 3: and trickle-down economics and foreign intervention. And what basically happened
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Speaker 3: was over the last 50 years, there's been a realignment
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Speaker 3: of to where the Democrats now represent most of the
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Speaker 3: rich people in this country, as well as the dependent poor,
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Speaker 3: the very poor. And the Republicans under Trump now represent
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Speaker 3: the vast American middle, the middle class and the working class.
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Speaker 3: And the way that President Trump managed to do that
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Speaker 3: was he effectively ripped off all of the best parts
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Speaker 3: of the Democrats' platform and that they had used for
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Speaker 3: 100 years to attract working class and middle class voters.
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Speaker 3: And that platform consisted of three things. It was not
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Speaker 3: socially conservative. It was socially moderate. So it was very
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Speaker 3: respectful of the people, of the common view of religious people,
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Speaker 3: but also very tolerant towards people who might not see
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Speaker 3: things the way that we do. It was economically protectionist.
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Speaker 3: So it believed in protecting the product and the labor
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Speaker 3: of working class people by limiting the supply of labor
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Speaker 3: through strict immigration laws and with things like tariffs that
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Speaker 3: limited the free trade. You pointed out it's not really free.
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Speaker 3: It's very unfair to protect the product of the American
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Speaker 3: working class people.
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Speaker 2: And it was.
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Speaker 3: Anti-war because, of course, war is always fought by the
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Speaker 3: children of the working class who get shipped into the
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Speaker 3: maw of endless warfare that the elites profit from. That
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Speaker 3: was the winning formula that the Democrats had throughout the
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Speaker 3: 20th century. And what happened was they abandoned all three
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Speaker 3: of those things to cater to the elites. Whether it
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Speaker 3: was on the free trade stuff, which rich people love
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Speaker 3: free trade because they get cheaper stuff. Whether it was
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Speaker 3: on open borders, rich people love open borders because they
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Speaker 3: get free cheap labor. Whether it was on foreign policy,
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Speaker 3: suddenly you have the Democrats who are obsessed with endlessly
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Speaker 3: funding this war in Ukraine. or whether it was on
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Speaker 3: social issues where the Democrats became not the party of
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Speaker 3: respect and dignity for everybody, but the party of trans extremism,
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Speaker 3: abortion in the ninth month. Trump basically realized that the
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Speaker 3: views that the vast majority of Americans hold, 60, 70%
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Speaker 3: of Americans, nobody was representing those. And so he rebuilt
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Speaker 3: the GOP in the image of the American worker. The
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Speaker 3: GOP under Trump was socially moderate, not socially conservative, but moderate.
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Speaker 3: Very protectionist on the economy, which we've seen how angry
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Speaker 3: Wall Street is about that. But working class people love that.
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Speaker 3: And then anti-war. President Trump just hates war. He thinks
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Speaker 3: it's unbelievably wasteful. And he has a very emotional reaction
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Speaker 3: to the kinds of images that as president you have
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Speaker 3: to look at to understand war. stakes of what's going
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Speaker 3: on around the world. So he basically took this abandoned
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Speaker 3: agenda that had always been my values and reintroduced them
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Speaker 3: on the right. And so I don't see how any
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Speaker 3: Democrat could not love the MAGA agenda, but it's very
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Speaker 3: hard to get them to admit this. They will say
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Speaker 3: it's because of President Trump's character. But to me, I
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Speaker 3: think it's that They can't stand to admit that this
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Speaker 3: man that they called a threat to democracy is the
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Speaker 3: one doing everything they have promised to do for 40
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Speaker 3: years and did not do. So he was the one
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Speaker 3: who raised the wages of the bottom 25% more than
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Speaker 3: the top 25%. He was the one who there were
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Speaker 3: no new wars on his watch. And he was the
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Speaker 3: one who got the country back to a status quo
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Speaker 3: on something like abortion that feels right to the vast
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Speaker 3: majority of Americans. Where, you know, we're not banning it,
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Speaker 3: but we're also not allowing it the way that Roe v.
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Speaker 3: Wade did into the second and third trimester on demand
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Speaker 3: in a way that most Americans consider to be quite barbaric.
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Speaker 3: It's back with the states now. And that status quo
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Speaker 3: feels very comfortable to most Americans.
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Speaker 2: Including most Republican voters.
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Speaker 3: So long way of saying I still consider myself to
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Speaker 3: be a lefty, but I'm now a MAGA lefty.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fascinating thing that you just articulated, Batia,
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Speaker 1: because there's such an amazing, like a realignment. It feels
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Speaker 1: like everything is in flux right now. And what we
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Speaker 1: traditionally thought of as a Republican or a Democrat is
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Speaker 1: changing in a really dramatic way. And I think it
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Speaker 1: was the only demo Kamala Harris did better in than
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Speaker 1: Biden in 2020 was white college-educated, and it might have
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Speaker 1: been women, but definitely college-educated individuals. So really, every working-class
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Speaker 1: individual in this country across gender and racial lines is
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Speaker 1: not buying what the Democratic Party is selling right now.
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Speaker 1: The narrative, the idea that they're for the working man,
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Speaker 1: that they're anti-war, you're right, has just completely been dismantled
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Speaker 1: by President Trump, who's proved them wrong and, frankly, forced
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Speaker 1: them to disavow everything that they branded themselves as. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about Gen Z a little bit with you, Batia.
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Speaker 1: As a young person going out into the world, a
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Speaker 1: lot of us feel really disillusioned. We don't really have
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Speaker 1: a future to look to. If you are starting a family,
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Speaker 1: you're a young couple, it's really inconceivable that you could
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Speaker 1: raise children on one person's income anymore. It's pretty inconceivable
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Speaker 1: that you're going to buy a house in your 20s,
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Speaker 1: let alone even your 30s at this point. What do
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Speaker 1: you think needs to happen, not just in the executive,
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Speaker 1: but for long-term change, perhaps in Congress, in the courts,
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Speaker 1: to make sure that we have a future that is sustainable,
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Speaker 1: that we take back our country and can have the
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Speaker 1: American dream that our grandparents had that clearly my generation
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Speaker 1: just isn't seeing?
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Speaker 3: It's really heartbreaking, the betrayal of young people, of young Americans,
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Speaker 3: of very hardworking people. For a long time, the Democrats
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Speaker 3: created an economy.
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Speaker 2: In which if you went to college, you could.
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Speaker 3: Still achieve that American dream, which, of course, It's obvious
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Speaker 3: why they did that, because the number one predictor for
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Speaker 3: whether somebody will vote for a Democrat, as you pointed out, Vida,
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Speaker 3: is whether they've been to college. But even now with AI,
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Speaker 3: that's changing as well. AI is going to decimate about
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Speaker 3: 20 percent of white collar jobs in the coming years.
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Speaker 3: And so really, we have to start thinking about what
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Speaker 3: are the jobs of the future and how can we
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Speaker 3: make sure that the hardest working Americans, working class and
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Speaker 3: middle class Americans have access to them?
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Speaker 2: So that they are.
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Speaker 3: Once again competitive against the elites in things like the
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Speaker 3: housing market, that they are able to retire in dignity,
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Speaker 3: that they are able to afford health care, and that
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Speaker 3: their children are able to live in safe, lovely neighborhoods
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Speaker 3: in which they can thrive and have more choices than
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Speaker 3: their parents. I think President Trump is off to a
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Speaker 3: really good start. Limiting the supply of labor is a
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Speaker 3: really big deal to raising wages naturally through the free market.
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Speaker 3: So if you have 15 million illegal immigrants suddenly imported
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Speaker 3: into seven, eight industries in the United States, the wages
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Speaker 3: in those industries, of course, are going to plummet. And
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Speaker 3: that's what we just saw. So number one, secure the border, deportations.
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Speaker 3: This stuff has an immediate impact on the wages that
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Speaker 3: working class people can command.
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Speaker 2: Number two, tariffs.
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Speaker 3: Just a brilliant mechanism for doing so many things, ensuring
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Speaker 3: national security, generating revenue, getting concessions from countries who were
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Speaker 3: not doing things like policing their side of the border,
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Speaker 3: getting fentanyl out of our country, which is murdering 100,000
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Speaker 3: Americans a year. But most importantly, they help reshore manufacturing
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Speaker 3: and they protect the product of the labor of the
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Speaker 3: American working class. What we had under these NAFTA agreements,
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Speaker 3: the free trade that was implemented in a handshake agreement
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Speaker 3: between both parties for many years, was effectively a situation
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Speaker 3: where not only Americans, but the world could not afford
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Speaker 3: to consume the product of the labor of an American
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Speaker 3: worker because they could get it for 10 times cheaper
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Speaker 3: from somebody in China. But if you put a tariff
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Speaker 3: on a Chinese product, suddenly there is a cost to
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Speaker 3: buying cheap stuff that was produced by slaves. Suddenly, it
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Speaker 3: makes a lot more sense to start considering, well, what
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Speaker 3: if we brought that factory home? We wouldn't have to
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Speaker 3: pay for shipping. We wouldn't have to pay the tariffs
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Speaker 3: that other countries put on us. Suddenly, we would have
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Speaker 3: American workers employed in great jobs in factories in the
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Speaker 3: United States.
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Speaker 2: And here's the key.
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Speaker 3: We thought that you could separate innovation from manufacturing.
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Speaker 2: You really can't.
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Speaker 3: The innovation happens close to the factory floor where the
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Speaker 3: worker can go to the manager and say, hey, I
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Speaker 3: think we could be doing this more efficiently. Or, hey,
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Speaker 3: I buy this product, but this piece, this widget is
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Speaker 3: working in this way. I think it could be working
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Speaker 3: in this way. There are no workers as brilliant and
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Speaker 3: hardworking as the American worker. But what we've done is
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Speaker 3: we've kneecapped them. In STEM, we have made STEM jobs
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Speaker 3: not pay a living wage, not pay for the American
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Speaker 3: dream because the majority of them are being done by immigrants,
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Speaker 3: by people who are here on H-1B visas, the majority
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Speaker 3: of people coding in Silicon Valley. are foreign workers, 75%,
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Speaker 3: which means that because those people are on visas, they
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Speaker 3: can be paid $ 50, 000 less than an American. What American
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Speaker 3: kid is going to go through college, get that degree,
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Speaker 3: get a master's degree, only to have a job that
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Speaker 3: pays $ 50, 000 instead of $ 100, 000? We kneecapped our own innovation.
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Speaker 3: And we're doing the same thing by importing foreign students
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Speaker 3: into the universities instead of giving those spots to brilliant
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Speaker 3: Americans who never get a chance. So all of which
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Speaker 3: is to say I think President Trump is dead on
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Speaker 3: with the fights that he's picking. The one thing I
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Speaker 3: would love to see him embrace is vocational training. This
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Speaker 3: was defunded under President Obama. It used to be that
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Speaker 3: high schools would teach welding and construction and all sorts
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Speaker 3: of skills— electrician stuff, plumbing, where kids could graduate from
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Speaker 3: high school and enter the trades and be making six
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Speaker 3: figures within a couple of years, three or four years.
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Speaker 3: And that already gets you really on the path to
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Speaker 3: being able to afford a home and afford the American dream.
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Speaker 3: So I would say that would be the next thing
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Speaker 3: I would really push them to do. I know the
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Speaker 3: Department of Labor is thinking in very interesting ways about
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Speaker 3: how to educate young working class people in AI and
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Speaker 3: So that when they come into the workforce, they have
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Speaker 3: a skill set that will enable them to go from
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Speaker 3: being a worker directly into management without having to get
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Speaker 3: a college degree. Again, just a great way to get
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Speaker 3: kids into the middle class.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is such an incredible roadmap. I wish we
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Speaker 1: could just clip that little soundbite, send it over to
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Speaker 1: the Trump admin. I mean, it's wonderful. But I want
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Speaker 1: to touch on the H-1B visas. You mentioned that. And
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Speaker 1: you've had a really good take on this. But there's
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Speaker 1: been some disagreement in MAGA world on how to handle
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Speaker 1: H-1B visas. So just for everybody's context, these are temporary
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Speaker 1: work permits that allow U.S. companies to hire foreign workers,
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Speaker 1: often usually for lower wages than American counterparts. We're told
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Speaker 1: that these are jobs for highly specialized fields, that it's
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Speaker 1: very hard to find good people for this position here
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Speaker 1: in America. But if you actually look at the H-1B
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Speaker 1: visa applications, you'll see entry-level accountant. So there is not
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Speaker 1: necessarily an Elon Musk being imported on these H-1B visas.
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Speaker 1: These are regular workers who are, like you said, Batia,
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Speaker 1: devaluing the labor of American citizens by creating essentially a
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Speaker 1: slave class of low-wage workers, of foreign low-wage workers here
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Speaker 1: in America, undercutting especially the tech industry. But the argument
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Speaker 1: from a lot of people on the political right, and
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Speaker 1: I would say probably more the libertarian right, is that, well,
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Speaker 1: this is like DEI for Americans, and we should just
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Speaker 1: be letting the best and the brightest in and opening
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Speaker 1: up our job markets to everyone in the world so
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Speaker 1: that America can thrive because the best people for the
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Speaker 1: best jobs are coming in and taking these positions. How
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Speaker 1: would you respond to that, Batia?
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Speaker 3: I think that it's actually the opposite. We know that
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Speaker 3: a lot of the people that are being brought in
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Speaker 3: are subpar when they're compared to American workers who would
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Speaker 3: be working in that field. DEI suggests that the people
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Speaker 3: are less qualified, but Americans routinely score much higher than
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Speaker 3: the countries that we're bringing in all of these people
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Speaker 3: to do these jobs from. So our workers and our
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Speaker 3: students are much smarter. They score much better. They're just
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Speaker 3: not going into these jobs because they don't pay enough
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Speaker 3: for our smart kids. So it's not a brain drain
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Speaker 3: from the rest of the world. It's just a wage
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Speaker 3: drain from Americans. It's not the best and the brightest
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Speaker 3: when you have, I think at this point, it's 600,000
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Speaker 3: foreign workers in STEM. I mean, that's not the best
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Speaker 3: and the brightest, right? Like by definition, that's 600,000 people, right?
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Speaker 3: So we're really not talking about some minuscule amount. I
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Speaker 3: actually think it's... Hundreds of thousands a year, possibly. I
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Speaker 3: have to look up the numbers there, but it's a lot.
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Speaker 3: And so it's definitely not the best and the brightest.
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Speaker 3: The percentage of people who enter and then make it
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Speaker 3: into an Elon Musk type position is minuscule at best.
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Speaker 3: And especially because we're leaving on the table all of
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Speaker 3: the Americans who potentially would have done that. It's funny
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Speaker 3: you bring up Elon Musk because he's very in favor
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Speaker 3: of H-1B visas, and I think that was the first
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Speaker 3: real rift between him and the MAGA base. He's now
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Speaker 3: on his way out. I think President Trump noticed that.
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Speaker 3: It's very amazing because... I think people on the right,
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Speaker 3: they like to defend Elon Musk because he was a
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Speaker 3: big supporter of the president. And I really get that.
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Speaker 3: And I, of course, am very grateful for the money
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Speaker 3: he invested in the campaign at a pivotal, crucial moment.
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Speaker 3: But he's been on the wrong side of a lot
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Speaker 3: of these issues. He's very close with China, the entire
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Speaker 3: supply chain for Tesla. is in China. The Teslas that
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Speaker 3: are made in the United States are an 84 percent
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Speaker 3: American made. But every Tesla that's sold in Europe or
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Speaker 3: in the Asian market, which is many more of them,
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Speaker 3: is made entirely in Shanghai, which means that his entire
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Speaker 3: fortune exists sort of at the largesse of Xi Jinping
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Speaker 3: and the Chinese Communist Party. And I think President Trump,
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Speaker 3: it was reported in The New York Times that his
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Speaker 3: first disillusionment around Elon Musk came when he learned in
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Speaker 3: The New York Times that Elon Musk had plans to
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Speaker 3: sit in on a top secret meeting about our war
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Speaker 3: plans with China. And President Trump was very clear that
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Speaker 3: he not be allowed to do that because President Trump
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Speaker 3: has been extremely clear about not infringing on conflicts of interest.
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Speaker 3: It's very important to him to be above board. And
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Speaker 3: I think throughout this process, he's been very clear about
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Speaker 3: what he thinks it is appropriate for Elon Musk to
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Speaker 3: be doing and talking about and what he doesn't think
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Speaker 3: it's appropriate for him to be talking about and thinking
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Speaker 3: about and participating in. So I think this immigration blowup
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Speaker 3: around the H-1Bs was maybe the first inkling that the
20:48
Speaker 3: tech bros are— They're great in many ways, but in
20:54
Speaker 3: some other ways, their interests are not entirely aligned with
20:59
Speaker 3: those of the MAGA base.
21:01
Speaker 1: And Bhatia, I'm most concerned with the welfare and well-being
21:04
Speaker 1: of the American people. But you mentioned Elon Musk and
21:08
Speaker 1: Teslas and even our iPhones, right? And this requires, the
21:16
Speaker 1: manufacturing requires a lot of minerals, many oftentimes sourced from
21:21
Speaker 1: the Congo, where you have Chinese companies, others from various
21:26
Speaker 1: parts of the world, really fueling a human rights crisis.
21:31
Speaker 1: But this is global capitalism, right? This is what happens
21:34
Speaker 1: when you rely on slave labor, essentially, to fuel your
21:39
Speaker 1: market and your economy and products that we know and love.
21:42
Speaker 1: And if you look at what China does, I mean,
21:44
Speaker 1: they have definitely slave labor wages. And you'll hear these
21:51
Speaker 1: stories every once in a while of some person with
21:53
Speaker 1: a little note and a product, and it'll say like,
21:56
Speaker 1: help me, I'm being exploited, or I'm on the verge
21:58
Speaker 1: of death. These things happen all the time. And it's
22:01
Speaker 1: funny to me that these people, especially on the political left,
22:05
Speaker 1: would defend a lot of these systems, despite caring about
22:09
Speaker 1: human welfare and well-being, and at the same time, of course,
22:12
Speaker 1: supporting a system that is full of just a lot
22:14
Speaker 1: of exploitation. There is a history here. In 1600, Queen
22:19
Speaker 1: Elizabeth I chartered the East India Trading Company. The East
22:22
Speaker 1: India Trading Company called itself the face of civilization and order.
22:27
Speaker 1: In reality, it really operated like a mafia cartel, backed
22:30
Speaker 1: by the full military power of the British crown. I
22:34
Speaker 1: think it pioneered modern corporate imperialism, a private company protected
22:41
Speaker 1: by government power looting the world while pretending that it's
22:44
Speaker 1: doing everybody a favor. We're talking about a genuine system
22:49
Speaker 1: of exploitation that's existed for centuries. It's daunting. I don't know.
22:55
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to even imagine what it's going
22:57
Speaker 1: to take to dismantle something that's been supported and defended
23:02
Speaker 1: and existed for centuries.
23:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trump has a real genius for getting his opponents
23:12
Speaker 3: and detractors to defend the most heinous positions and people. So,
23:17
Speaker 3: you know, the Maryland man who he shipped off to
23:21
Speaker 3: El Salvador and then the Democrats went, you know, full-fledged
23:25
Speaker 3: like Jesui, you know, Kilmar Garcia, you know, like staking
23:29
Speaker 3: their entire reputation on a gangbanger, wife-beater, human trafficker, right?
23:34
Speaker 3: Now they're saying they're not going to allow Chinese students
23:36
Speaker 3: into American universities because Just watch, the Democrats are gearing up,
23:40
Speaker 3: you know, to stake their entire reputation on the right
23:43
Speaker 3: of Xi Jinping to send his daughter to Harvard. Trump
23:47
Speaker 3: takes on Harvard, and you watch the Democrats, you know,
23:50
Speaker 3: foaming at the mouth, how dare you, how dare you
23:52
Speaker 3: touch our beloved Harvard. He just does this again and
23:56
Speaker 3: again and again and reveals that, as you said— The Democrats,
24:01
Speaker 3: to be total hypocrites, they don't have a single value
24:05
Speaker 3: that they will not turn on if they think Donald
24:08
Speaker 3: Trump supports it, which is one of the reasons— it' s not
24:11
Speaker 3: the only reason, but it's one of the reasons I
24:13
Speaker 3: really think that in the Senate version of the big,
24:15
Speaker 3: beautiful bill, they should include a raise on taxes for
24:19
Speaker 3: the rich people, for the top bracket, from 37 percent
24:23
Speaker 3: to 39 percent, because what you will get for that
24:25
Speaker 3: extra 2 percent, which is not very.
24:27
Speaker 2: Much— It's not just revenue. It's not just signaling.
24:31
Speaker 3: To the American people that the GOP now is the
24:33
Speaker 3: party of the working class and we're willing to put
24:35
Speaker 3: our money where our mouth is. But what a troll
24:39
Speaker 3: of the Democrats when he forces every single one of
24:41
Speaker 3: them to vote against a bill that raises taxes on
24:44
Speaker 3: the rich, the last thing that they still cling to
24:48
Speaker 3: as their identity. I just think this is like an
24:52
Speaker 3: obvious win for the GOP. But when it comes to China,
24:55
Speaker 3: you're right. decoupling, getting us weaned of our addiction to
25:02
Speaker 3: cheap stuff from China. The monumental effort that that took,
25:10
Speaker 3: the courage, the conviction. I can't think of another person
25:15
Speaker 3: other than Donald Trump who could have done this. Remember,
25:19
Speaker 3: he wasn't just taking on the Democrats when he took
25:21
Speaker 3: on China in his first term. He took on the
25:24
Speaker 3: entire GOP establishment as well. because they were so attached
25:28
Speaker 3: to this, you know, quote unquote, free trade model as well.
25:32
Speaker 3: He took on both parties and the entire elites and
25:35
Speaker 3: the entire economic global world order and said to Wall Street,
25:40
Speaker 3: I don't work for you.
25:43
Speaker 2: I work for the American people.
25:46
Speaker 3: That to someone of my age is just, it's unthinkable
25:50
Speaker 3: that an American politician would have the guts and the
25:54
Speaker 3: desire to so totally alienate the global economic elites. And
26:01
Speaker 3: so I think we just should be pausing regularly and
26:06
Speaker 3: reflecting on that. He has changed the game of what
26:10
Speaker 3: an American person can expect their president to do in
26:13
Speaker 3: their name in a way that I'm 44, I did
26:17
Speaker 3: not ever think I would see in my lifetime.
26:20
Speaker 2: It is stupendous.
26:21
Speaker 3: And I think it's really cool to be a young
26:23
Speaker 3: person right now and to know I.
26:27
Speaker 2: Voted for this person.
26:28
Speaker 3: Look how much he's done just for me in 100 days,
26:32
Speaker 3: 120 days. With every breath he takes, he's thinking about
26:37
Speaker 3: me and how to make my life better. Like you
26:40
Speaker 3: guys don't realize like this is so unheard of to
26:45
Speaker 3: be catering to the American people and the least of
26:49
Speaker 3: us instead of to corporate elites. So it's just, you know,
26:53
Speaker 3: I still say I'm a lefty, but it's like to me,
26:56
Speaker 3: I don't understand how you can be on the left
26:58
Speaker 3: and not acknowledge that. This is a sea change. It's
27:02
Speaker 3: not a vibe change. It's a sea change, and it's monumental.
27:07
Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly unprecedented. And it seems like President Trump
27:10
Speaker 1: is just taking on every single corrupted elite institution that
27:14
Speaker 1: exists in America today. And I want you to talk
27:16
Speaker 1: to me a little bit, Bhatia, about Trump's ban on
27:19
Speaker 1: Harvard international students. Because frankly, I'm a little bit confused
27:23
Speaker 1: why Chinese international students or any international student would be
27:27
Speaker 1: given opportunities at elite institutions which are subsidized by the
27:32
Speaker 1: American people in the first place. How is this even defensible?
27:37
Speaker 3: This is why I keep saying I think Trump has
27:39
Speaker 3: already won on this issue, whatever the Supreme Court comes
27:41
Speaker 3: down on, whether he has the right to do it
27:43
Speaker 3: or not. I don't think most Americans realized that we
27:47
Speaker 3: were paying $ 2 billion a year in taxpayer money so
27:52
Speaker 3: Harvard could educate the future apparatchiks of the Chinese Communist Party.
27:56
Speaker 3: I think most people just did not realize that. And
27:59
Speaker 3: now they know it and they are mad.
28:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because it is unacceptable.
28:05
Speaker 3: And it's so funny, you know, the liberals, like if
28:07
Speaker 3: you point this out, they get really mad on Twitter
28:09
Speaker 3: and they'll say, does she really think that they're paying
28:12
Speaker 3: the scholarships of these students? They bring in the money.
28:15
Speaker 3: They're paying ticket prices to go to our universities. Yeah,
28:18
Speaker 3: but money's fungible, right? Like we all know that, you know,
28:21
Speaker 3: this money is coming from the hardest working Americans who
28:24
Speaker 3: cannot afford the American dream. And it's going in institutions
28:27
Speaker 3: that instead of serving the public and the common good
28:31
Speaker 3: are serving the interests of the Chinese Communist Party because
28:34
Speaker 3: those are the interests of the Democratic Party. They are
28:37
Speaker 3: aligned with the interests of the CCP. And it's utterly unacceptable.
28:42
Speaker 3: There are so many rural kids in Appalachia or black
28:47
Speaker 3: kids in inner cities, Hispanic kids living in rural areas
28:52
Speaker 3: who do not have access to this. Brilliant kids who
28:56
Speaker 3: are going to end up overdosing and dying of fentanyl
28:59
Speaker 3: instead of getting that spot at Harvard that they deserve
29:02
Speaker 3: because Harvard is too lazy and too cheap to spend
29:06
Speaker 3: any of its own $ 52 billion endowment. trying to find
29:10
Speaker 3: those kids and educate those kids.
29:12
Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
29:14
Speaker 3: And once again, just reveals like it is so obvious.
29:18
Speaker 3: One side is it's gunning for America. We want America
29:21
Speaker 3: to win. We want to put America first and Americans first.
29:25
Speaker 3: And the other side is thinking, oh, but what if
29:27
Speaker 3: my child is not exposed to enough people whose ideology
29:31
Speaker 3: hates America? And obviously, I'm not even going to go
29:34
Speaker 3: into the whole anti-Semitism thing, which is real and like
29:39
Speaker 3: amazing that it president cares about this. And it's absolutely
29:42
Speaker 3: devastating that there are so many American Jews who can't recognize, like,
29:48
Speaker 3: do you understand what it means to have a president
29:50
Speaker 3: who has our back? Like, that's something I have not
29:54
Speaker 3: felt in a very, very, very long time. Joe Biden
29:56
Speaker 3: was out there defending the protesters. So was Kamala Harris. Like,
30:00
Speaker 3: It's beyond that he's doing this for us. But of course,
30:04
Speaker 3: the interests of the Jewish community and the interests of
30:07
Speaker 3: America and the American working class, these are one in
30:10
Speaker 3: the same thing. And so to me, this whole war
30:13
Speaker 3: he's picking with Harvard, it is so brilliant. It is
30:17
Speaker 3: brilliant politically. It is right legally.
30:19
Speaker 2: And it is also, I think, just such.
30:22
Speaker 3: A great thing for young people to see.
30:25
Speaker 2: He's fighting for you.
30:27
Speaker 3: For 60 years, those snots at Harvard who hate America
30:31
Speaker 3: and hate the Jews were going to be able to
30:33
Speaker 3: afford to buy a home in their 30s, and you weren't.
30:37
Speaker 3: And this president said, forget that. We're not doing that anymore.
30:41
Speaker 3: The people who hate America the most are no longer
30:44
Speaker 3: going to be the only ones who have access to
30:45
Speaker 3: the American dream. We're turning everything around.
30:48
Speaker 1: Well, I've talked a lot about what's happening on college campuses.
30:51
Speaker 1: I mean, this is, we're not just the international students,
30:53
Speaker 1: but Bhatia, you're right. There's an ideological, an activist element
30:58
Speaker 1: where we're just not interested in truth seeking anymore. We're
31:00
Speaker 1: not interested in educating people. It is fully become just
31:05
Speaker 1: these massive houses of activist production. And I think the
31:12
Speaker 1: part of the problem with the anti-Semitism conversation is you
31:14
Speaker 1: go to these schools and they say everybody is oppressed
31:17
Speaker 1: or you're an oppressor. And we're going to put you
31:18
Speaker 1: in this box and every situation is going to be
31:20
Speaker 1: viewed through that prism. And there's no really room for debate.
31:24
Speaker 1: There's no honest discussion happening. It's really just through a
31:29
Speaker 1: very narrow Marxist framework that the whole world is viewed.
31:33
Speaker 1: And so I like that President Trump is trying to
31:36
Speaker 1: address this. I want to get your honest take here
31:38
Speaker 1: on this, Bhatia, because one piece of the Trump administration's
31:41
Speaker 1: fight against anti-Semitism is that the admin is demanding the universities,
31:47
Speaker 1: specifically the ones that they're targeting, so Columbia, Harvard, a
31:50
Speaker 1: few others, is that they adopt an anti-Semitism hate speech code,
31:54
Speaker 1: which is informed by the IHRA. And the definition, they're
31:59
Speaker 1: asking them to have an official definition of anti-Semitism at
32:03
Speaker 1: these schools. And some of the definition's included here, label
32:08
Speaker 1: criticisms of Israel as anti-Semitic. For instance, drawing comparisons of
32:13
Speaker 1: Israeli policies to Nazi policies would be considered anti-Semitic, or
32:17
Speaker 1: claiming that the state of Israel began as a racist endeavor.
32:21
Speaker 1: This would also be considered a violation of hate speech. Now, personally,
32:24
Speaker 1: I don't think Israel began as a racist endeavor. I
32:26
Speaker 1: think it began as a home for the Jewish people.
32:29
Speaker 1: But do you think that advocating for hate speech codes
32:33
Speaker 1: is going to get at the root of these universities, anti-Semitism,
32:38
Speaker 1: really cultural Marxism problem?
32:40
Speaker 3: No, I'm totally with you. I'm very against that. I
32:42
Speaker 3: hate the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. It's much more suited
32:46
Speaker 3: to a European context because they don't believe in free
32:48
Speaker 3: speech and we do. So I'm totally with you on this.
32:52
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's obvious that chanting for the
32:56
Speaker 3: genocide of the Jews is you know, chanting intifada revolution
33:02
Speaker 3: so that a Jewish student who's trying to study in
33:04
Speaker 3: the library can't concentrate, and then writing an op-ed saying,
33:08
Speaker 3: you know, Israel was founded as a racist endeavor. Obviously,
33:11
Speaker 3: these are not the same thing, right? I mean, so
33:13
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I don't like the speech
33:15
Speaker 3: codes at all. I think you're already seeing Colombia without
33:19
Speaker 3: any speech code. Really trying its best to get on
33:23
Speaker 3: the good side of the administration, the Trump administration. And
33:27
Speaker 3: they're already policing the protests and the disruptions and all
33:30
Speaker 3: the things that are not included in free speech. So
33:34
Speaker 3: I don't think that's necessary. But I think that the
33:37
Speaker 3: list of demands the administration gave was like a starting
33:39
Speaker 3: point for negotiation.
33:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:41
Speaker 2: Honestly, to me, the one that I think.
33:42
Speaker 3: Harvard probably most objected to was in the list of demands,
33:46
Speaker 3: it said that they wanted every single professor and administrator
33:48
Speaker 3: to submit to a plagiarism check for their academic work.
33:51
Speaker 3: And I bet you anything that was the real thing.
33:53
Speaker 3: They were like, absolutely not, because they have no professors left.
33:59
Speaker 3: But I totally agree with you. I'm not on board
34:01
Speaker 3: with that. I don't like anything that smacks of suppressing
34:04
Speaker 3: free speech. We have to win this war, and I
34:07
Speaker 3: think we are in the court of public opinion. Those
34:10
Speaker 3: student protesters are uniformly loathed by the American people, by
34:15
Speaker 3: upward of 90%, and I think that includes 75% of
34:17
Speaker 3: college students themselves. hate those encampments, which were, like, honestly
34:23
Speaker 3: disgusting in so many ways. I saw an interview with
34:26
Speaker 3: a cop on Fox News. He was talking about how, like,
34:29
Speaker 3: they had appointed one of the tents to be, like,
34:32
Speaker 3: where they would defecate.
34:33
Speaker 2: And so when they were forced to— So I think.
34:42
Speaker 3: We— it is— you know, Israel is winning in the court of
34:44
Speaker 3: public opinion as an ally of the United States that
34:48
Speaker 3: we— I completely agree with you. I'm really not comfortable with
34:51
Speaker 3: speech codes at all. Even if we can say, like,
34:54
Speaker 3: you know, there's—you know, what should count as code of
34:58
Speaker 3: conduct is not necessarily that every single thing that is
35:02
Speaker 3: constitutionally protected speech is appropriate to be chanted loudly on
35:06
Speaker 3: a college campus.
35:06
Speaker 2: That is very different than saying.
35:08
Speaker 3: We expect the university to treat, you know, even very wrong,
35:13
Speaker 3: false criticism of Israel as somehow, you know, objectionable.
35:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's a fascinating discussion. I mean, and
35:20
Speaker 1: there's definitely a separation here with, are you breaking the law? Like,
35:23
Speaker 1: were you taking over a campus and preventing people from
35:25
Speaker 1: going to and from class? That is definitely not acceptable.
35:29
Speaker 1: And I think there's a difference between that and having
35:31
Speaker 1: really overt speech codes on campus. And I'll just say,
35:34
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of students at the University of
35:37
Speaker 1: Chicago who Friends of mine who were there at the
35:39
Speaker 1: time of these protests, I had since graduated, but they said,
35:42
Speaker 1: you know, I have really nuanced opinions on what's happening
35:45
Speaker 1: between Israel and Palestine. These kids are the worst. I
35:48
Speaker 1: can't get to class. It's disgusting. They've destroyed our campus.
35:51
Speaker 1: So I think you're really right that a lot of
35:53
Speaker 1: people looked at what happened that summer and said, this
35:57
Speaker 1: is not something I support. And myself, too. I mean,
36:00
Speaker 1: I looked at it. And I said, this is giving
36:03
Speaker 1: me PTSD from when I was at college and getting
36:05
Speaker 1: bullied by all these same kids. And what I find
36:07
Speaker 1: interesting about the students, Batia, is why don't they care
36:10
Speaker 1: about anything happening in America? That's kind of my initial
36:14
Speaker 1: impulse when I see all of this just over obsession
36:18
Speaker 1: with what's happening on the other side of the world.
36:20
Speaker 1: It's like, why don't you guys protest about the American
36:23
Speaker 1: working class or even oppose the BLM rioting that happened
36:26
Speaker 1: in 2020, where we attacked the American, our own mythos
36:30
Speaker 1: and founding? And instead, we have people who seemingly are
36:34
Speaker 1: just preoccupied with everything that has to do with things
36:38
Speaker 1: that have to do with far separated foreign conflicts and
36:42
Speaker 1: not what's happening in their immediate communities or their countries.
36:45
Speaker 1: And I think that's a real problem. Something that you've
36:47
Speaker 1: brought up, Batia, that's kind of interesting as we talk
36:49
Speaker 1: about college campuses is this observation about men and women.
36:54
Speaker 1: Women are graduating from college at higher rates than men.
36:58
Speaker 1: And at the same time, a lot of traditionally masculine
37:01
Speaker 1: jobs are being shipped overseas or they are only being
37:06
Speaker 1: taken up by illegal immigrants who will then work for
37:08
Speaker 1: lower wages. So you've said that this isn't just an
37:11
Speaker 1: economic crisis that we're experiencing. It's actually a mating crisis.
37:16
Speaker 1: Can you expand on that?
37:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
37:19
Speaker 3: We know that women are 15 points more likely to
37:21
Speaker 3: graduate from college than men. On every measure, women are
37:25
Speaker 3: doing better than men right now. And yet you still
37:28
Speaker 3: have all these like, you know, Honestly, a lot of
37:31
Speaker 3: it comes out of Hollywood, these very rich women being like,
37:35
Speaker 3: you know, meh, meh, meh.
37:37
Speaker 2: Women are still struggling. Rights for women.
37:39
Speaker 1: Right.
37:40
Speaker 3: You know, you can't have a functioning society without a
37:44
Speaker 3: healthy love and respect for men and masculinity and men
37:50
Speaker 3: who want to be providers, who want to be defenders
37:53
Speaker 3: and protectors. I mean, this is stuff women want and
37:56
Speaker 3: need and crave, but have been told they're not allowed
37:59
Speaker 3: to admit to or say. It's so funny, the Democrats
38:03
Speaker 3: don't understand why they're struggling with men. And I just
38:06
Speaker 3: keep wanting to say to them, Oh, you mean like
38:08
Speaker 3: calling them rapists for 10 years like didn't work? It
38:11
Speaker 3: didn't make young men want to like come over to
38:13
Speaker 3: your side? We've totally overcorrected for any problems that we
38:18
Speaker 3: might have once had between the sexes. And I do
38:22
Speaker 3: think today women, especially on the left and in the
38:24
Speaker 3: Democratic Party, are overly catered to, whereas men are demonized.
38:29
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of that has to do
38:30
Speaker 3: with the fact that the Democrats were shipping their jobs
38:32
Speaker 3: overseas and importing millions of people to do them here.
38:36
Speaker 3: So basically, they were dispossessing and disinheriting men in this country.
38:42
Speaker 3: So they needed a kind of alibi for that. They
38:44
Speaker 3: needed a way to justify it. So they came up
38:47
Speaker 3: with this idea of toxic masculinity. Well, wanting to be
38:50
Speaker 3: a provider is toxic.
38:51
Speaker 2: It's poisonous. You're poison.
38:54
Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter that we're shipping your job overseas
38:56
Speaker 3: to China and you're going to commit suicide or die
39:00
Speaker 3: of an overdose of fentanyl. You just can't have a
39:03
Speaker 3: functioning job. civilization, if you don't love men, like if
39:07
Speaker 3: you don't have a love and appreciation for what men
39:10
Speaker 3: bring to the table. You don't have a country without
39:13
Speaker 3: a military. You don't have a military without men who
39:15
Speaker 3: are willing to sacrifice everything for their country. And it
39:19
Speaker 3: just drives me crazy that the elites who benefit from
39:23
Speaker 3: all of the sacrifices that men make for this country
39:26
Speaker 3: then turn around and demonize those same men. And it's not,
39:30
Speaker 3: you know, for a long time it was mostly aimed
39:34
Speaker 3: at white men, which it was never okay. It wasn't
39:36
Speaker 3: okay when they were talking that way about white men.
39:38
Speaker 3: But it's very obvious now that it's not white men.
39:41
Speaker 3: It's all working class men of every race. So if
39:45
Speaker 3: you're a working class person of color who increasingly they're
39:48
Speaker 3: drawn to donald trump because he offers them that love
39:51
Speaker 3: and respect you two are treated now with the same
39:54
Speaker 3: like how they used to treat white people as poisonous
39:57
Speaker 3: and it's disgusting and you just cannot have a stable
40:00
Speaker 3: democracy in a country where the people who we rely
40:03
Speaker 3: on the most to protect and defend and provide for
40:06
Speaker 3: us are supposed to eat the contempt of the people
40:11
Speaker 3: who are benefiting from all of their sacrifices like that
40:14
Speaker 3: is that's not sustainable at all.
40:17
Speaker 1: There was this fascinating TikTok trend that happened, I think
40:20
Speaker 1: it was a year ago or a little over a
40:22
Speaker 1: year ago, where young women were calling their brother or
40:27
Speaker 1: their dad and saying, I just took a job. It's
40:30
Speaker 1: a really well-paying job. I'm going to make over $ 100, 000.
40:32
Speaker 1: And it was for underwater welding. And it was a
40:37
Speaker 1: joke because all these women were like, we would never
40:39
Speaker 1: be an underwater welder. It's a really difficult job. It
40:42
Speaker 1: actually has a pretty high mortality rate. just in terms
40:48
Speaker 1: of blue collar work. And it was a joke because
40:51
Speaker 1: obviously women don't want those jobs. Like there are certain
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Speaker 1: industries where you're seeing it 90 to 99% represented by
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Speaker 1: only men. And I think that we're seeing online, we
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Speaker 1: talk about the vibe shift a lot, but a lot
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Speaker 1: of women are attracted to things like trad wife content
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Speaker 1: and homemaking and And my view is not that women
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Speaker 1: want to be controlled and they're seeking an oppressive form
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Speaker 1: in the past, but just that we've taken away the
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Speaker 1: option for women to choose that path now. It's not
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Speaker 1: even an option for a young married couple with children
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Speaker 1: to say, well, I'll just be at home and be
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Speaker 1: a homemaker. Now we've said you actually have to work,
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Speaker 1: otherwise you are really not going to be able to
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Speaker 1: live in America. It's unaffordable. And so when I look
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Speaker 1: at the way Democrats are messaging to men When I
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Speaker 1: look at the way that they're messaging to women, right,
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Speaker 1: it's all about reproductive rights. And to men, I don't
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Speaker 1: even know what they're trying to do, but it's not landing.
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Speaker 1: And you're seeing an organic vibe shift, especially online, of people,
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Speaker 1: I think, just wanting the options that we economically had
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Speaker 1: in the past that we just don't anymore.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think you really nailed it.
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Speaker 1: Well, Batia, I am so happy that we were able
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Speaker 1: to do this. I am such an admirer of you.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I introduced you really poorly because I
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Speaker 1: was just so excited, but you are. You're an author.
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Speaker 1: You're an author of Bad News in Second Class, How
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Speaker 1: the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men and Women. We're going
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Speaker 1: to have a link to that in the description. You're
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Speaker 1: also a columnist at the free press and a contributor
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Speaker 1: at Newsmax. We had it in your little tagline, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't say it out loud. I'm so sorry about that.
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Speaker 1: But Batia, why don't you tell everybody where they can
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Speaker 1: go to buy your book, to follow your work?
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Speaker 3: Um, I'm on Twitter, although I'm trying to spend less time.
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Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram at Batia US. You could buy my
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Speaker 3: book on Amazon. This has been such a pleasure. Thank
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Speaker 3: you so much for having me. God bless you and
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Speaker 3: your whole family and everybody that you love. And thank
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Speaker 3: you for your love of country and everything that you're doing,
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Speaker 3: your brilliant insights, your kind personality, and you just, just
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Speaker 3: keep going. It's, It's such a pleasure and an honor
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Speaker 3: to be in this ecosystem with you. And I know
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Speaker 3: you're going to do amazing things.
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Speaker 1: You too, Bhatia. I so appreciate you joining. For all
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Speaker 1: of you listening, make sure to check out her social
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Speaker 1: media accounts, check out her book. And if you want
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Speaker 1: to follow me on Instagram and X, my user is
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Speaker 1: avitaduffy underscore one. I will see you all next week.
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