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'Mother you don't want to mess with': Ex-cop seeks help in finding daughter's killer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one two. This gives me close, but what has happened
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Speaker 1: to our family would never close. A gorgeous young woman
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Speaker 1: strangled dead while on vacation right here in the US,
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Speaker 1: vacation in San Diego. Her mother now begging for your help.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, and joining me
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Speaker 1: right now is Josephine Funez Winstel, the mother of a
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Speaker 1: gorgeous young girl, her daughter murdered, Crystal strangled dead. She
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Speaker 1: wants answers, and I believe that you have those answers.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Josephine Funez Winceel, the mother of
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Speaker 1: Crystal ms Wincel. Thank you for being with us, Thank
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Speaker 1: you for inviting me on. I appreciate your effort. Your
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Speaker 1: daughter was found dead on vacation in San Diego. We
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Speaker 1: have learned that this guy, Raymond McLoyd, is the killer,
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Speaker 1: but he's not in jail. He's not even even in
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Speaker 1: the county jail awaiting trial. Let me take you back
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Speaker 1: to the moment that you learned something had gone horribly wrong. Josephine,
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Speaker 1: what happened? Well, you know she had sent her children
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Speaker 1: to us UM in Washington State for the summer for
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Speaker 1: the summer. While she was working in Phoenix, she worked
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Speaker 1: as a property manager. And as you see, she's a
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Speaker 1: beautiful woman, and so she attracts a lot. And so
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Speaker 1: this man came to rent a place there and he
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Speaker 1: started stalking her. Unbeknownst to her, he was stalking her
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Speaker 1: as a victim already because he kept going in there
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Speaker 1: and going in there and staring at her in her office.
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Speaker 1: And so I remember her calling me and say, Mommy,
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Speaker 1: and this guy that's moving in here, he comes at
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Speaker 1: my office and he keeps staring at me, and you know,
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Speaker 1: and so it just kind of like, well, you know, Crystal,
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Speaker 1: oh wait a minute, Wait a minute, Josephine, you just
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Speaker 1: gave chills running down my arm. I mean, also with
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Speaker 1: me high profile lawyer out of Seattle, my colleague and
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Speaker 1: friend and Bremner, Vincent Hill, private investigator, renowned New York
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Speaker 1: psychologist Karen Stark and joining us judge Ashley Willcott and
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Speaker 1: of course Alan, do you can Jackie Howard and Bremner
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Speaker 1: right there? How scary is that to be sitting at
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Speaker 1: your job, sitting in your office and you have some
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Speaker 1: creepy dude. It reminds me and Bremner. I went home
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Speaker 1: to my hometown of Macon, and I drove the children
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Speaker 1: by the apartment I lived in a law school, and
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Speaker 1: they went, Mom, you live behind a gas station, and I, yes,
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Speaker 1: I did. It's a very high end gas station. Hello.
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Speaker 1: But you never know who's living around you, who these
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Speaker 1: people are. And this freaky dude comes up stairs at
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Speaker 1: Crystal every day is she's sitting there trying to rent apartment.
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Speaker 1: So it's just beyond scary. And I'm so thrilled to
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Speaker 1: be on with all of you, and Nancy with you,
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Speaker 1: my good friend and colleague, and I think the best place,
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Speaker 1: I think for her mom to be here with you,
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Speaker 1: to get the word out about her daughter and the
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Speaker 1: fact that this he's not even prosecuted now, and it's
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Speaker 1: just an amazingly scary, scary thing that she went through.
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Speaker 1: And the first person she called was her mom, who
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Speaker 1: I saw nobody should mess with because she's been working
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Speaker 1: really hard on this case. Man, you're not kidding. Back
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Speaker 1: to Crystal's mom, Josephine, Finn his wincel. So, Josephine, she
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Speaker 1: calls you as his mom. This guy keeps staring at
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Speaker 1: me in the office. What happened then, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: it just kind of like, I mean, she gets stared
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Speaker 1: at all the time. You know, she looks like a
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Speaker 1: bubble star and so um, and she had that bubbly personality.
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Speaker 1: She has a big smile on her face. She's I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's just beautiful inside out, and so it was kind
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Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, I mean, you're a beautiful girl.
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Speaker 1: People are gonna stare at you. I mean, I didn't
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Speaker 1: know the extent. Okay, this is something I'm discovering after
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Speaker 1: the fact, after I investigating his background and find out
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Speaker 1: that he's had domestic violence. He was out on fifty
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Speaker 1: thou dollar bond for trying to kill his strange life,
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Speaker 1: and his parents gave him ten thousand dollars to flee
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Speaker 1: and then retain an attorney and refused to cooperate. Oh
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Speaker 1: my stars, I did not know he had that kind
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Speaker 1: of a violent history. I mean, I mean the deal.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Vincent Hill, you're the private investigator. Wouldn't that
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Speaker 1: show up on his record? I mean, I guess there's
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Speaker 1: no way you can turn down someone just because they
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Speaker 1: have a record to live in an apartment well, Nancy. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: a lot of times when charges are pending, they don't
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Speaker 1: show up onto your record. So I'm sure, as most
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Speaker 1: departments do, they do background checks, but since those charges
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Speaker 1: were pending, they probably didn't show up on record when
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Speaker 1: she did that background series. Oh man, oh that hurts
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Speaker 1: me so, Joseph, and your daughter's calling saying, this guy
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Speaker 1: who has been coming to the office over and over
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Speaker 1: is now renting there. Then what happens? Well, and then
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was, like I said, it
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Speaker 1: was no big deal for me because she works in
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Speaker 1: a place where there's people in and out, so I
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Speaker 1: didn't know the extent of it. And then um, she
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Speaker 1: had called me and she goes, oh, yeah, that guy
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Speaker 1: came in here and started talking to me, and he
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Speaker 1: has a son that he just dotes on. He loved
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Speaker 1: his son, Mom, He absolutely loved his son. And he's
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Speaker 1: a former marine, just like my sister Leanna. And you
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Speaker 1: know he's he's really nice guy, Mom, He's a really
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Speaker 1: nice guy. Because this is his mL okay, and we
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Speaker 1: have distarbed this guy is is beyond sex in his mind.
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Speaker 1: He takes pleasure in torturing women, torturing them. He would
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Speaker 1: he would find a day and take them to another part,
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Speaker 1: you know, of the of the country and leave him
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Speaker 1: stranded and drag to his friends. How he left a
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Speaker 1: beautiful woman stranded and what I noticed about him, and
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Speaker 1: even in tracking him and the women he's coming upon,
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Speaker 1: the women look similar. They have long, dark hair, and
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Speaker 1: and they're beautiful and their can skin, And those are
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Speaker 1: the women he goes after. And I am looking at
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Speaker 1: your daughter and she's she's going as she looks like
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Speaker 1: a model. She's got beautiful brown eyes, flawless skin, it
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Speaker 1: looks like she's carved out of marble, and long brunette hair. So, yes,
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Speaker 1: she looks exactly as you're describing. Okay, So he would
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Speaker 1: brag about torturing people. Yes, he's a very sick man.
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Speaker 1: And you know he had a he had a domestic
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Speaker 1: violence in Phoenix, Arizona. For those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: a gorgeous young mother, Crystal goes missing. She is discovered
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Speaker 1: strangled dead while on vacation. She was in San Diego.
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Speaker 1: The guy we believe murdered her, Raymond mccloyd, a thirty
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Speaker 1: four year old U. S. Marine veteran, apparently takes the
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Speaker 1: car to the airport, rents a new car and drives away,
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Speaker 1: never to be prosecuted. So, Joseph, and you know, he's
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Speaker 1: basically stalking your daughter. Does she fall for him? Does
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Speaker 1: she get sucked in by his lies? Well, here's what
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Speaker 1: he did. Christine was raised around guns because of my
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Speaker 1: previous long enforced made background. So you know, she was
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Speaker 1: dealing with um. She had been dating, you know, meeting
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Speaker 1: people differently, and she there was somebody that she was
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Speaker 1: dating and this person was trying to get back with her.
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Speaker 1: She broke up a long time ago, and and she
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Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with this person. And so
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Speaker 1: this man came across as the hero. He says, hey,
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Speaker 1: I collect a lot of guns. Would you like a
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Speaker 1: gun to protect yourself? And she's like, oh sure, And
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Speaker 1: he gained her confidence and he became the big brother,
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Speaker 1: a doting dad with protecting you and I'm gonna protect
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Speaker 1: you from the bad guys. And that's what he did
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Speaker 1: to her, and he charmed her into his life. And
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Speaker 1: I know, my daughter, this this is not something that
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Speaker 1: would have been a long term relationship. It was for her.
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Speaker 1: It was probably like, Hey, I'm gonna check this out.
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Speaker 1: This guy, I'm gonna see what he thought about, and
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Speaker 1: that's all it was. And that night that he killed her,
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Speaker 1: or that morning. I know my daughter she was trying
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Speaker 1: to get away from him when she saw what he
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Speaker 1: was about. She said, no way, because there was an
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Speaker 1: altercation at the place where they went to. That he
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Speaker 1: had gotten involved, he had punched somebody there at a bar,
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Speaker 1: club or someplace. And I cannot even imagine hold on.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott joining me, founder of child crime watch dot com,
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Speaker 1: juvenile judge and practicing lawyer, Ashley, can you imagine if
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Speaker 1: your husband you're out and you get it, say, you
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Speaker 1: get into a fuss with somebody at the movie line,
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Speaker 1: and your husband turns around and pudges him in the mouth.
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Speaker 1: I would be mortified, not only mortified. To me, it's
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Speaker 1: a red flat walk away, walk away, walk away, because
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Speaker 1: that kind of anger management going unchecked is scary and
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Speaker 1: arrest Well, apparently that is exactly what Crystal tried to do.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, this beautiful, young,
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Speaker 1: dedicated mom just thirty years old, is murdered, strangled dead
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Speaker 1: on a vacation to San Diego. Her killer gets her
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Speaker 1: little car and drives away into the sunset, and I
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Speaker 1: am not having it. Listen to her mother, who's joining
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Speaker 1: us right now as she begs for your help to
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Speaker 1: bring her daughter's killer to justice. Listen, you know I've
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Speaker 1: been on the side where I had to give the
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Speaker 1: message to parents sometimes I want to give the message
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Speaker 1: that the child has been murdered. And I'm on this side,
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Speaker 1: and I received that message that night, and it's it's
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Speaker 1: been the hardest thing. Um. But I'm just appealing to
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Speaker 1: the public. I mean, we have America's best behind me.
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Speaker 1: We have one of the greatest teams there is. But
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Speaker 1: sometimes best is not good enough. Sometimes we just need more.
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Speaker 1: And and I'm appealing to the public, both in Central America,
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Speaker 1: at San Diego, anywhere, please help us bring peace. As
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Speaker 1: you see this, it's the children that have to sleep
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Speaker 1: at night, and I just want to bring peace. I
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Speaker 1: know that finding him is not going to bring my
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Speaker 1: daughter back, but it's gonna save the life of your daughter,
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Speaker 1: your granddaughter, your mother. This shouldn't happen. There's so many
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Speaker 1: victims to murder, and it continues on. It doesn't end.
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Speaker 1: This case may close, but what has happened to our
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Speaker 1: family would never close. And it's our faith that's taken
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Speaker 1: us through so far. But we really appeal to you guys,
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Speaker 1: please help help us for justice for Crystal and for
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Speaker 1: her son and her daughter who needs to know that
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Speaker 1: it is safe to sleep at night. You know, Josephine,
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Speaker 1: hearing your words just it brings tears to my eyes
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Speaker 1: because I can remember. And you're gonna laugh at this.
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Speaker 1: My other guests have heard this before. Karen Stark, New
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Speaker 1: York Psychologists. I know you've heard this story. I had
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Speaker 1: the twins and the babies or us, and I was
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Speaker 1: looking for organic sun Tanne Lucian okay, to protect them,
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Speaker 1: way down on the bottom shelf. And I had Lucy
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Speaker 1: beside me and John David. They were both playing and
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Speaker 1: they were wearing those little rubber crocs okay. And I
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Speaker 1: was down there digging around. And when I finally stood up,
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Speaker 1: I picked up Lucy. I turned around and there was
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Speaker 1: no John David. And I immediately thought of Adam Walsh,
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Speaker 1: John Walsh's son that was abducted when he was in
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Speaker 1: a store with his mom. He was one isle and
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Speaker 1: he was killed. Honey. I started screaming and crying. I
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Speaker 1: picked Lucy up like a football under my arm and
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Speaker 1: took off running screaming. They did a lockdown. Well we
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Speaker 1: found him, of course, he had snuck away on his
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Speaker 1: little crock silently. And I'll never forget that moment. And
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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine if one of them had met the
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Speaker 1: fate that Crystal did and there was no justice and
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Speaker 1: hearing you beg for the public's help, it's just breaking
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Speaker 1: my heart. I want to find this thirty four year
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Speaker 1: old US Marine veteran, Raymond mccloyd, who I believe killed
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Speaker 1: this mother of two, Crystal Mitchell, just thirty years old,
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Speaker 1: while they were on vacation. So when did you learn, Josephine,
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Speaker 1: that something horrible happened. I woke up that morning and
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Speaker 1: I something was wrong. I was feeling something was wrong
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Speaker 1: with me. I didn't know what was wrong. That didn't
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Speaker 1: it wasn't anybody specific. I just thought it was me.
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Speaker 1: I want to I want to hear this because I
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Speaker 1: have long said that. For instance, when my fiancee was
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Speaker 1: murdered and I called my job at the library to
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Speaker 1: tell them I was running light from an exam and
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Speaker 1: they said, call Keith family. I knew right then that
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Speaker 1: Keith was dead. I don't know how I knew, but
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Speaker 1: I knew. Now you're saying you woke up and you
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Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. Tell me that feeling. It was
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Speaker 1: a vacant feeling. I wasn't. I couldn't put my finger
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Speaker 1: on it. It felt like my I was just vacant,
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Speaker 1: like like I just I called a friend and I said,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what was wrong with me. I I
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Speaker 1: don't know what I'm feeling. It's weird. It's I just
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Speaker 1: feel like something like vacant inside. And I had no
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Speaker 1: idea what it was. I just thought it was me,
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Speaker 1: you know. And so later on that day, um, I
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Speaker 1: had text her saying, hey, how's it going, how are
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Speaker 1: you doing? No response, and and then it wasn't uncommon,
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Speaker 1: you know, she could have just been the beach or something.
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Speaker 1: So later that evening I knew something was wrong. It
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Speaker 1: was a gut feeling. It was just a gut feeling.
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Speaker 1: I got very sick. I started shaking. I was just trembling.
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Speaker 1: I called her friend and I'm like, Diana, Diana, have
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Speaker 1: you heard from Crystal? Have you heard from Crystal? Because
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Speaker 1: the last picture she showed me because she was on
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Speaker 1: the way either you know, driving, And I said, well,
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Speaker 1: what does this guy even look like Well, those pictures
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Speaker 1: that you see circulating all over the place where the
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Speaker 1: pictures she sent me. And so when the police told me,
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Speaker 1: I was able to just send them the pictures right away. Um.
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Speaker 1: But that night, you know, my husband had text her
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Speaker 1: and said, please, your mom's really worried, Please call her.
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Speaker 1: And about that time, the detectives saw that tax in
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Speaker 1: Calm And when I saw six one nine Nancy, I knew.
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Speaker 1: I just I just covered my ears and I started screaming, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: And if I didn't have those Grandchidred's there, I would
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Speaker 1: have been in the car and I would have canna
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Speaker 1: slide down to San Diego from Vancouver, Washington. And I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to take her body out of that bard
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Speaker 1: because mind you, I've been in that job. I've got
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Speaker 1: on the other side of this role that I'm in now,
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Speaker 1: and it's a painful thing. So I know the scene.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to describe what happened. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to tell me what a scene a murder scene looked like.
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Speaker 1: I know, when I saw cones of the newspaper in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot, I knew it was a struggle because
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Speaker 1: that was my job, if you know where he's at,
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Speaker 1: if you know anything about him, if you know someone
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Speaker 1: that knows him, if you have family in Central America,
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Speaker 1: alert the world, get this man off the streets that
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Speaker 1: he doesn't strike again. With me is the mother of
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Speaker 1: a just beautiful, beautiful on the inside and the outside,
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Speaker 1: A loving and dedicated mother of two. Thirty year old Crystel,
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Speaker 1: murdered on her vacation to San Diego. Her mother, Josephine
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Speaker 1: Funez Winstel, is with us sharing her story. She's not
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Speaker 1: just sharing, she's enduring the pain of reliving these moments.
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Speaker 1: To ask for your help in finding Cristel's killer, Raymond mccloyd,
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Speaker 1: who gets a riddle car at the airport and disappears
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Speaker 1: into the sunset. But he is somewhere. He is within
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Speaker 1: the long arm of the law, and God help us,
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Speaker 1: we will help find him. I'm listening as her mother
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Speaker 1: describes getting a phone call from a six one nine
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Speaker 1: area code, and she says, at that moment she knew. Josephine,
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Speaker 1: you said you knew when you saw that area code.
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Speaker 1: What went through your mind and your body. I remember
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Speaker 1: it was before people had cell phones, and I was
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Speaker 1: told to call Keith's family, and I knew, and I
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Speaker 1: had to find a quarter, and I had to use
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Speaker 1: a pay phone, and I can still remember, you know
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Speaker 1: how a moth looks batting around a light. My hand
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Speaker 1: was just flittering around. I couldn't dial the numbers. I knew,
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Speaker 1: I knew you that my life was going to be
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Speaker 1: changed forever. When you saw six one nine? What went
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Speaker 1: through your mind and your body? How did you know
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Speaker 1: Crystal was gone? Because of all the feelings? And I
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Speaker 1: just I knew, I just I knew before I got
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Speaker 1: the call that she was say, I just I just
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Speaker 1: started trembling. I was sick to my stomach. I wanted
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Speaker 1: to throw up, you know. I liken it to being
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Speaker 1: punched in your stomach so hard that you could read.
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Speaker 1: And I stayed in that state for days. It's just no,
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Speaker 1: it's I don't even remember the first six months after
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Speaker 1: her death. I don't even remember anything. I don't even
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Speaker 1: remember who showed up my side. I don't remember anything.
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Speaker 1: It was so traumatic for me, you know, Josephine, I
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Speaker 1: thought it was just me because for huge chunks of
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Speaker 1: time after Keith's murder and right before his murder, I
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Speaker 1: can't remember, I can't. I only have one blurry memory
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Speaker 1: of going to his grave at the funeral. I only
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Speaker 1: have fragmented memories of the funeral itself, and then big
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Speaker 1: chunks of time events that happened I have no memory of.
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Speaker 1: And when you're describing this, I didn't feel like I
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Speaker 1: got punched in the stomach. I felt just just sick.
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Speaker 1: The smell of food, the side of food just make
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Speaker 1: me sick. I couldn't stand it. In fact, I lost
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Speaker 1: down to eighty nine pounds because I could not stand
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Speaker 1: the smell of food at sound, music, clocks, everything just
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Speaker 1: I understand. I really can't describe it here, and I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to touch it real quick because he was
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Speaker 1: out on bonds for that. It gets this. He assaulted
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Speaker 1: his first wife, He violated a restraining order, heard her
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Speaker 1: at their children and or their child one son, and
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Speaker 1: it was a misdemeanor. And all he had to do
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Speaker 1: was watch a DVD to get off of it. A video.
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Speaker 1: You had to watch a video. I'm so embarrassed for
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Speaker 1: the justice system. Karen Start, New York Psychologists renowned mental
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Speaker 1: health worker Karen This feeling two things. First, this feeling
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Speaker 1: before you're told that we get not just Josephine and myself,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of people, hundreds of people that I
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Speaker 1: know of that you know before you're told what is
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Speaker 1: that in number two? Why do you lose memory of
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Speaker 1: the events surrounding a traumatic event? Well, the feeling that
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Speaker 1: you get. No one really understands it scientifically, but I
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Speaker 1: think about it as um synchronicity, the kind of connection
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Speaker 1: that you have with another person that somehow there's that absence,
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Speaker 1: as she was explaining, as Josephine was explaining, this feeling
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Speaker 1: of something is missing, like an emptiness. And you hear
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Speaker 1: that story so many times, Nancy, not just for the
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Speaker 1: two of you. I had it before I got the
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Speaker 1: phone call that my father had died. It's just um,
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Speaker 1: like we have a sense that nobody knows about UM.
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Speaker 1: And I know this all sounds very esp non scientific,
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Speaker 1: but UM, I do believe that it's about a connection
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Speaker 1: that all of a sudden is severed. About the memory
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Speaker 1: loss that Joseph and the memory loss that is very
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Speaker 1: common when you are talking about a traumatic event. It's
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Speaker 1: as though your brain shuts down. It's an overload. There's
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Speaker 1: something that's happening that you just can't process and so
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Speaker 1: in fact, literally there are parts of your brain that
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Speaker 1: the messages are not computing. You're not being able to
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Speaker 1: deal with the unthinkable that's just occurred the way it
23:19
Speaker 1: happened to you with Keith, and it will stay with you,
23:22
Speaker 1: the memory of that for the rest of your life.
23:24
Speaker 1: The fact that you just went on autopilot and we're
23:28
Speaker 1: not able to really process this huge, horrific event that
23:34
Speaker 1: had happened to you with me. Is Karen Start, renowned
23:37
Speaker 1: New York psychologist, Josephine Funez, once Sold, Crystal's mother, and Bremner,
23:43
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, Ashley Willcott Alan, do you can, Jackie Howard?
23:49
Speaker 1: We are seeking justice in the murder of thirty year
23:53
Speaker 1: old mother of two, Crystal, just loving, dedicated, beautiful on
24:01
Speaker 1: the outside and the inside. Josephine, her mother, begging that
24:07
Speaker 1: her killer be brought to justice. I'm looking at him
24:10
Speaker 1: right now, Raymond mccloyd, thirty four years old, and in
24:14
Speaker 1: the photos I'm sing of him, is such a turn off. Josephine.
24:19
Speaker 1: He's got his shirt off, he's totally buff, like he
24:23
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time working out in the gym.
24:27
Speaker 1: He's completely buff. He's ten, He's still got the marine haircut.
24:33
Speaker 1: I know they're not proud today because he's a marine
24:35
Speaker 1: vet and he's covered in tattoos, full arm sleeves, covered
24:42
Speaker 1: in tattoos, you know, looking like he's about to appear
24:48
Speaker 1: to Steven Seagal movie. I mean that that's what That's
24:52
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. And he murdered your daughter. You
24:57
Speaker 1: got that call? And what did police tell you? And
25:00
Speaker 1: what did you do? Josephine, Well, I was watching, I
25:04
Speaker 1: was going in and out of the room. I had
25:06
Speaker 1: still had my hands over my ears, and I still screaming, no, no, no, no,
25:12
Speaker 1: let's go get her, Let's go get her. I know,
25:14
Speaker 1: I know she's okay, she's okay. I know she's okay,
25:16
Speaker 1: And that's all I kept saying. And I looked at
25:20
Speaker 1: my husband, who was on the phone, and he was
25:22
Speaker 1: looking downwards, somber in Yeah, I knew, and I just
25:29
Speaker 1: wanted to leave, and I was screaming. I totally forgot.
25:32
Speaker 1: The kids were with us, so of course you know
25:36
Speaker 1: they run down. What is wrong with Nanna? No, no,
25:41
Speaker 1: that's wrong, and you know they were risked off. My
25:44
Speaker 1: sister happened to be there visiting, and she took them
25:48
Speaker 1: off to another room, and it's it's a feeling like
25:52
Speaker 1: no other. It's a feeling like no other. I've had
25:57
Speaker 1: a lot of losses in my life, but you know,
26:01
Speaker 1: through family members and war, but it's just something about
26:06
Speaker 1: losing a child. But there's even something else you get
26:09
Speaker 1: quick in the different categories, and it's murder, because with murder,
26:15
Speaker 1: nobody understands that pain. I felt the same thing. At first.
26:19
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe Keith was dead. I couldn't believe it.
26:22
Speaker 1: I thought there must be some accident. If I could
26:24
Speaker 1: get to him, I could somehow affected and I could
26:27
Speaker 1: save him and it was going to be okay. And
26:29
Speaker 1: it wasn't true. And I had nobody was at home
26:33
Speaker 1: at our family home, and I I saw cars partnered
26:37
Speaker 1: our church, and I went in and my pastor got
26:40
Speaker 1: on the phone and I was sitting across his desk
26:42
Speaker 1: and I saw a red upside down when he wrote
26:45
Speaker 1: Bernstein Funeral Home. And then I knew, And it really
26:50
Speaker 1: didn't sink in. You had Josephine, You had Crystal's children
26:55
Speaker 1: with you. Could you are they still with you? Where
26:58
Speaker 1: are her children? I? You know, the other tragic event
27:02
Speaker 1: to this is the children's father is a disabled war vet.
27:06
Speaker 1: He's a young man who ran over ninety and so
27:11
Speaker 1: he's not capable of taking care of him because it
27:15
Speaker 1: was a a state of mind. And so this whole thing
27:18
Speaker 1: about him being a marine, it's really turned off. And
27:21
Speaker 1: I really wish they'd not put him out there as
27:23
Speaker 1: a marine, you know, um, because we are a gold
27:27
Speaker 1: star We are gold star family. I agree. My father
27:30
Speaker 1: is a military vet too, and my family fought in
27:34
Speaker 1: the war. So did mind, Josephine. You know what's interesting,
27:39
Speaker 1: Josephine with me, Josephine fune is once. So this is
27:42
Speaker 1: Crystal's mom. Um, you were so preoccupied with the fact
27:47
Speaker 1: your daughter, uh was worried about an ex who was
27:51
Speaker 1: bothering her, you became concerned with mccloyd loaned her a gun,
27:57
Speaker 1: and amidst all this going on on, he surprises Crystal
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Speaker 1: with a trip to San Diego to visit friends. And
28:05
Speaker 1: it was those friends who find Crystal dead in a
28:10
Speaker 1: bedroom inside their home with an obvious sign of struggle,
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Speaker 1: and McLoyd disappeared. To Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge, founder of
28:24
Speaker 1: child Crime watch dot com, it's like she knew the
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Speaker 1: mom Josephine knew ahead of time, but there was nothing
28:33
Speaker 1: she could do to stop it, and now her children
28:36
Speaker 1: are left behind without a mom. I think she did
28:39
Speaker 1: know ahead of time because listen, my heart goes out
28:42
Speaker 1: to you as her mother, and we have to our
28:45
Speaker 1: instincts are right, our feelings are right. I believe it's
28:50
Speaker 1: not scientific, but the feeling that you get when something
28:53
Speaker 1: happens to your child, because no mothers should lose their child.
28:56
Speaker 1: It's the same feeling that the victims have before something
29:01
Speaker 1: happens to them. She tried to get away from this beast.
29:05
Speaker 1: He's a predator, he's a murderer. She tried to get away.
29:08
Speaker 1: I think she absolutely knew, and I think that she
29:11
Speaker 1: couldn't escape his clutches. Well what about this, Ashley, I'm
29:17
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why I have such a horrible
29:19
Speaker 1: vibe about Raymond McLoyd. I would flip out if my
29:24
Speaker 1: husband stripped off his shirt at a gym and started
29:29
Speaker 1: taking selfies of himself. And that's why the feeling I said,
29:32
Speaker 1: he looked like he worked out at the gym. He's
29:34
Speaker 1: taking selfies of his buff self in the Gym's a
29:40
Speaker 1: steroid user. You know what? If you have time to
29:42
Speaker 1: do that, you need to be working to bring home
29:44
Speaker 1: money for the family. I mean, it looks like it's
29:49
Speaker 1: just a horrible vibe of this guy. And he looks
29:53
Speaker 1: like a creep to Dudney Nancy in the picture he
29:55
Speaker 1: does he does, and Crystal just could not see it.
30:00
Speaker 1: And Bremner, what about this? What about his history? How
30:05
Speaker 1: did this happen? I mean, if you look at his history,
30:09
Speaker 1: he had already gotten away with so much. He had
30:12
Speaker 1: been charged twice with domestic violence, one that occurred just
30:16
Speaker 1: three months before Crystal Mitchell was murdered. He pled not
30:21
Speaker 1: guilty to assaulting second wife in Riverside, California, and got
30:26
Speaker 1: off on bond. I mean, when Josephine first posted a
30:31
Speaker 1: wanted poster with mcloyd's picture on Facebook, she got a
30:35
Speaker 1: flood of messages from past girlfriends. And how is this
30:40
Speaker 1: guy even walking free? You know, it's amazing. I'd be
30:44
Speaker 1: interested to see all the different sentences he had. I mean,
30:46
Speaker 1: we've heard about it from Josephine. It sounds terrible. He
30:49
Speaker 1: has to watch some DVD. I mean, these are very
30:51
Speaker 1: serious crimes, you know, for which he has been prosecuted.
30:54
Speaker 1: And if he thinks he's going to be able to
30:55
Speaker 1: get away by being in a different jurisdiction ad diction
30:59
Speaker 1: and dealing with ex tradition issues. It doesn't matter where
31:02
Speaker 1: you are. As you know, Nancy, if there's a treaty,
31:05
Speaker 1: he comes back. If there isn't a treaty, through comedy
31:08
Speaker 1: of nations at c O M I t y you know,
31:11
Speaker 1: good relations between nations, he comes back. So I'm so
31:14
Speaker 1: glad Josephine's on top of this, and you are too,
31:16
Speaker 1: because the word needs to get out. So he's identified,
31:19
Speaker 1: picked up and extracted. Man, you're not getting a Bremner.
31:25
Speaker 1: We'll take a listen to the San Diego prosecutor. Cloud
31:29
Speaker 1: had a disturbing history of violence against women with whom
31:35
Speaker 1: he had a relationship, and a pattern of abuse that
31:39
Speaker 1: had been escalating. McLoud had prior violence against two of
31:45
Speaker 1: his previous wives. He had a pending six blany case
31:53
Speaker 1: and riverside for strangling one of his wives. A roommate
31:59
Speaker 1: interrupted it the woman being strangled. That set the scene
32:04
Speaker 1: for what would be a deadly trip to San Diego, California.
32:09
Speaker 1: There were clear signs of a struggle and Crystal had
32:14
Speaker 1: numerous injuries. There was blunt forced trauma, including to her
32:20
Speaker 1: face and torso. McCloud had brutally strangled Crystal to death,
32:28
Speaker 1: choking the very life out of her. There were multiple
32:32
Speaker 1: fractures to her neck area. McCloud then, like a coward,
32:39
Speaker 1: stole her car and ran to the border. But we're
32:43
Speaker 1: not going to let this coward run from justice and
32:48
Speaker 1: get away with murder. We need your help. Make no mistake,
32:53
Speaker 1: we are on a hunt for justice and we need
32:57
Speaker 1: your help. We're asking any want with information to come
33:01
Speaker 1: forward so McLeod can be arrested, returned to San Diego,
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Speaker 1: and held accountable for this brutal crime. Anyone with information
33:12
Speaker 1: on the murder or Raymond McLeod's whereabouts is asked to
33:16
Speaker 1: submit a tip through st crime stoppers dot org. There's
33:21
Speaker 1: an eleven thousand dollar reward for information that leads to
33:26
Speaker 1: the arrest in this case. Anonymous emails and text messages
33:31
Speaker 1: can be sent through st crime stoppers dot org as well,
33:36
Speaker 1: or you can use the crime Stoppers app. McLoud is
33:40
Speaker 1: a former marine who may have access to weapons. He's
33:44
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, five ft eleven inches tall, and
33:48
Speaker 1: has multiple very recognizable tattoos on his arms and chest
33:54
Speaker 1: and body. He goes by the nicknames r J, but
33:58
Speaker 1: maybe using the name Matt or Matteo to attempt to
34:01
Speaker 1: hide his identity. It's very likely he strived to change
34:05
Speaker 1: his appearance, grown a beard, he may have put on weight.
34:10
Speaker 1: There's a very real concern that McLeod's history of violence
34:14
Speaker 1: will continue to escalate and he will strike again while
34:19
Speaker 1: he's on the run, most likely against an unsuspecting woman.
34:24
Speaker 1: Back to Josephine Funez went, so this is Crystal's mother,
34:28
Speaker 1: and what is just a stab in my heart? Crystal's
34:32
Speaker 1: best friend, Diana Oliveras said that, um, this guy, Raymond
34:38
Speaker 1: mccloyd had a quote spotless record, and that she said,
34:45
Speaker 1: Crystal said, hey, you know I'm good. He passed two
34:48
Speaker 1: background checks, so this is his background is clean and
34:52
Speaker 1: he has a good job and a child he does on.
34:55
Speaker 1: It was a child he does on. That was key
34:58
Speaker 1: because I told her, as a single mom, when looking
35:00
Speaker 1: for a potential partner, do you want a man that
35:03
Speaker 1: loves children? And so that was key for her. What
35:07
Speaker 1: about this flood of messages about from former girlfriends that
35:13
Speaker 1: you got when you put Raymond mccloyd's picture on Facebook, Josephame,
35:17
Speaker 1: what happened? Oh my gosh. I even got contacted by
35:20
Speaker 1: people that were in the Marines with him, and one
35:23
Speaker 1: guy from I think it was South Carolina, and he
35:25
Speaker 1: said this guy is horrible and that none of the
35:30
Speaker 1: marine buddies are even surprised that this happened, and they
35:34
Speaker 1: were really sorry, but they were not surprised that he was.
35:38
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't confirmed all this. I'm sure you know,
35:41
Speaker 1: the marshals would, but he's had you know, a Walls
35:45
Speaker 1: and Due's and and dad. He's been bailing him out
35:49
Speaker 1: and baying him out and baying him out of all
35:52
Speaker 1: his troubles. He was a golden child. There were a
35:55
Speaker 1: wealthy family in Scottsdale. And that's what I'm up again. Well,
35:59
Speaker 1: where'd you running? Forces with you, Josephine. I want to
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Speaker 1: find this guy and I want him. I don't want
36:05
Speaker 1: him just in jail. I want him under the jail
36:08
Speaker 1: for what he did to not just Crystal, but to
36:11
Speaker 1: her children and to you going through life having your
36:16
Speaker 1: child murdered, having your mother murdered for what by a
36:21
Speaker 1: badass that had already been assaulting women for God only
36:25
Speaker 1: knows how long. Listen to Steve German, the commander of
36:30
Speaker 1: the future task Force. Listen. We are a multi agency
36:34
Speaker 1: task force, and in this case, we are one badge.
36:38
Speaker 1: Senegel ped DA's office and every other law enforcement agency
36:43
Speaker 1: in this county and in this country are working on
36:47
Speaker 1: this case. We adopted the case, and our involvement in
36:53
Speaker 1: the case is certainly the man hunting in this case.
36:56
Speaker 1: And that's what I would like to address today. The
37:00
Speaker 1: United States Marshal Service has elevated this to our major
37:03
Speaker 1: case status, which is part of the eleven dollar reward
37:09
Speaker 1: being offered where it is captured. It's also opened up
37:14
Speaker 1: a number of other investigative techniques that we have and
37:18
Speaker 1: are deployed. There is absolutely no resource that we have
37:22
Speaker 1: that we are not either prepared to are already using.
37:26
Speaker 1: And today I stand here to deploy our most powerful asset,
37:33
Speaker 1: our most powerful tool in law enforcement that we have,
37:36
Speaker 1: and that is the public's eye. That is what we
37:39
Speaker 1: need in this case at this time. And it doesn't
37:43
Speaker 1: matter how small your tip is. Over the years, I've
37:47
Speaker 1: seen the tiniest little scrap of information lead that that
37:52
Speaker 1: that little break from leads down the trail ultimately results
37:56
Speaker 1: in the capture, so I urged the public shared this
38:00
Speaker 1: on social media, even if you don't know where he is,
38:04
Speaker 1: If you have a friend down in Central America, if
38:07
Speaker 1: you have somebody that may know anything about this case,
38:12
Speaker 1: please share this. I also um want to address that
38:18
Speaker 1: he we believe he is in Central America, could he
38:21
Speaker 1: be anywhere absolutely our trail that we have followen him
38:26
Speaker 1: so far, we've confirmed that he left San Diego and
38:28
Speaker 1: went into Mexico, and then we've also confirmed that he
38:32
Speaker 1: was in police That tip actually came in anonymously from
38:36
Speaker 1: a female who met him dancing at a nightclub, got
38:40
Speaker 1: kind of a creepy feeling about him, and probably saved
38:43
Speaker 1: her own life by not going with him. That is
38:47
Speaker 1: the type of monster that we're dealing with here. He
38:50
Speaker 1: will repeat this action that he hasn't already, and that's
38:53
Speaker 1: why it's important for us to get him off the street. Okay,
38:58
Speaker 1: we also had a tip UH that showed him in
39:02
Speaker 1: Guatemala UH and it's important also know that these tips
39:06
Speaker 1: that we've received have been substantiated or passed on through
39:11
Speaker 1: social media. So social media obviously is a very important
39:14
Speaker 1: component of this UH investigation, and we encouraged the public
39:19
Speaker 1: to turn that on. McCloud. Let's using our power as
39:24
Speaker 1: a people, a guest a monster like this. There is
39:27
Speaker 1: an eleven thousand dollar reward and it is climbing to
39:34
Speaker 1: Alan Duke Alan. There have been sidings of McLoyd Raymond
39:39
Speaker 1: Cloyd uh in Belize, so he can easily take boats
39:44
Speaker 1: in and out of the country without being spotted in
39:48
Speaker 1: Mexico and the Honduras. What do we know Guatemala tell
39:55
Speaker 1: me about the reward and if there is a tip line,
39:59
Speaker 1: it's sad Diego Crime Stoppers is the tip line, and
40:03
Speaker 1: there is an eleven thousand dollar reward that's being offered
40:06
Speaker 1: actually by the US Marshall Services, as Commander German just
40:11
Speaker 1: told us. There's also a website and I understand, uh
40:16
Speaker 1: Ms Winstell, you've created a website for people to go
40:18
Speaker 1: to to submit tips. And what is your website, Josephine,
40:22
Speaker 1: I created a website to expose this man too. It's
40:25
Speaker 1: called Angels of Justice dot com. Angels of Justice dot com. Guys.
40:33
Speaker 1: The tip lines are six one nine, five, three, one
40:38
Speaker 1: two two nine three repeat six one nine five three
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Speaker 1: one two two nine three or six one nine five
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Speaker 1: three one two thousand, repeat six one nine five three
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Speaker 1: one two thousand one more number four you toll free
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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five eight zero eight four seven seven
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Speaker 1: repeat eight eight five eight zero eight four seven seven.
41:06
Speaker 1: You know, Vincent Hill, you're the private investigator. We know
41:10
Speaker 1: that the U. S. Embassy and Belize has issued a
41:13
Speaker 1: bulletin to police in media to be on the lookout
41:16
Speaker 1: for Raymond McLoyd. We believe he's staying near the coast
41:20
Speaker 1: in Belize, so we can take very easily boats in
41:23
Speaker 1: and out of the country. We also have had sightings
41:26
Speaker 1: in Mexico and Honduras. What do we do now, Vincent,
41:31
Speaker 1: how can we find this killer? Just turn up the pressure, Nancy.
41:35
Speaker 1: I mean someone there is either likely in the same
41:39
Speaker 1: boat as Josephine. They've either lost their child. Do the
41:42
Speaker 1: domestic violence to your victim of domestic violence. Nobody likes
41:46
Speaker 1: domestic violence. So wherever he is, we need to turn
41:49
Speaker 1: up that pressure and allow someone to come forward and
41:52
Speaker 1: say here he is, come and get him. You know,
41:57
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about something you mentioned. Joseph fine with
42:01
Speaker 1: me is Crystal's mom Josephine Funez Winstel about her children.
42:09
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine telling the children, telling children their
42:16
Speaker 1: mom is gone and is in heaven with the angels.
42:20
Speaker 1: How did you tell them, Josephine, Well, then the um
42:29
Speaker 1: I just sat them down and just said, you know,
42:31
Speaker 1: something terrible has happened, and mom has been guilt and
42:43
Speaker 1: so um as the psychologists. No, children that young, they
42:49
Speaker 1: can't really process that. They don't know how to process it.
42:54
Speaker 1: You know, It's just it was just like a stare.
42:56
Speaker 1: And then my grandsons Nana, how was she him? Was
43:01
Speaker 1: she amon? Where was she? Did somebody try to help her?
43:07
Speaker 1: I mean, it was horrible. It was just it was horrible,
43:12
Speaker 1: saying you have to tell him? And then how did
43:15
Speaker 1: aunt die? I said her heart stopped. I couldn't say
43:19
Speaker 1: she was murdered. I don't want to line it was
43:22
Speaker 1: an accident. I just said her heart stopped, which brought
43:28
Speaker 1: up other things in hand because later on he said,
43:31
Speaker 1: so when I'm thirty, my heart will stop, you know,
43:33
Speaker 1: So later on and explain what happened that Trump killed
43:38
Speaker 1: their mother. And he asked me, Nana, why didn't Mama
43:46
Speaker 1: fight back? Why didn't she fight back? And I said, well,
43:54
Speaker 1: we don't know. She probably did. We don't know if
43:59
Speaker 1: she I don't know. And what do you tell your child?
44:03
Speaker 1: What do you tell you a small grandchild about their mother?
44:07
Speaker 1: You know what, I have all the legal answers, I
44:10
Speaker 1: don't have the answers for that. Guys. I want you
44:16
Speaker 1: to hear Crystal's mother, Josephine Uneze Winstel, as she described
44:24
Speaker 1: her daughter Crystal. She was a lovely mother. She was
44:28
Speaker 1: beautiful inside et inside out. She was beautiful, and she
44:33
Speaker 1: was a single mom and suspecting of this man. There
44:37
Speaker 1: was nothing to alert her that he was a terrible person.
44:43
Speaker 1: For those of you listening now here on Syria six,
44:48
Speaker 1: I've given you the tip lines six one nine five
44:52
Speaker 1: three one two nine three six one nine five three
44:55
Speaker 1: one two thousand toll free eight eight five eight zero
45:01
Speaker 1: eight four seven seven. Police have released images of Raymond mccloyd.
45:07
Speaker 1: They show his chest, shoulder and armed tattoos. They show
45:13
Speaker 1: what he looks like with a beard or a clean
45:15
Speaker 1: shaven He's about five eleven at two pounds of pure muscle.
45:23
Speaker 1: He has known to go by the names of r J.
45:26
Speaker 1: Matt or Matteo. His name is Raymond Cloyd. He can
45:34
Speaker 1: be charming, he can be gregarious, he can be very engaging.
45:44
Speaker 1: Don't be fooled. He is a killer, and he robbed
45:51
Speaker 1: Josephine of her girl, and he robbed her little children
45:58
Speaker 1: of their mom. Listen to her mother. I know that
46:02
Speaker 1: finding him is not going to bring my daughter back,
46:06
Speaker 1: but it's gonna save the life of your daughter, your granddaughter,
46:11
Speaker 1: your mother. This shouldn't happen. There's so many victims to murder,
46:16
Speaker 1: and it continues on. It doesn't end. This case may close,
46:21
Speaker 1: but what has happened to our family would never close.
46:25
Speaker 1: And it's our faith that's taken us through so far.
46:28
Speaker 1: But we really appeal to you guys, please help help
46:32
Speaker 1: us bring justice for Crystal and for her son and
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Speaker 1: her daughter. I want justice. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,