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Is The Southern Border About To Get Worse? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Well, here we go, third hour morning show with Preston Scott.
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  Speaker 1: How are your friends? It's Wednesday, July twenty, fourth show,
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  Speaker 1: five thousand, two hundred and two. Jose, can you see
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  Speaker 1: over there running the radio broadcast in Studio one A.
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  Speaker 1: I am here in Studio one B, and I'm thrilled
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  Speaker 1: to have back with us on the program. Good friend
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  Speaker 1: of the show, he is Heesus Rodriguez, retired US Border
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  Speaker 1: Patrol agent. As always, thanks for your service to our country,
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  Speaker 1: my friend. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Sarah? Doing well in yourself?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you I've been anxious to get your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts from your perspective on the events of the last
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  Speaker 1: few weeks. Let's start with what was your reaction? Where
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  Speaker 1: were you when you heard about what was going on
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  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the yard working on a project and
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  Speaker 2: my daughter came out to tell me that something had happened,
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  Speaker 2: and so we were I walked in the house and
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  Speaker 2: we started looking at, you know, watching the TV, and
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  Speaker 2: I well, something that one of the guys, one of
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  Speaker 2: the agents that sent me on half of social media.
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  Speaker 2: And you can tell that when he turned his head
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  Speaker 2: and also he grabbed his ears like thor and said,
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  Speaker 2: oh smokes, they took a shot at him. And so
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  Speaker 2: you know it went from there shocked, I mean shocked,
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  Speaker 2: and actually to be very honestly pressed and very upset
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  Speaker 2: mad because you know they let that happen.
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  Speaker 1: Define that for me when you say I know what
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  Speaker 1: I think when I say they, what do you think it?
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  Speaker 2: The way? There's always all of these people that have
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  Speaker 2: come out against and and and I keep telling my
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  Speaker 2: wife and you know, I'm going to take this this route.
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  Speaker 2: It's I I truly believe it is. There are evil
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  Speaker 2: people all over and that don't want him in there
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  Speaker 2: for various reasons. And I think it's just the goodness
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  Speaker 2: versus the evil and people, and it's not going to stop.
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  Speaker 2: I don't foresee it stopping it. I think it's just
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  Speaker 2: going to keep ramping up. And if you know, God willing,
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  Speaker 2: he comes out in victorious in November. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: just not it's going to continue. They don't want him
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if if you were
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  Speaker 1: to guess at the polling, if there was one of
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  Speaker 1: the Border patrol agents that are tasked with keeping people
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  Speaker 1: out of our country that are trying to come in
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  Speaker 1: illegally and bring some kind of order to what is
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  Speaker 1: a very burdensome process. Would you say that the majority
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  Speaker 1: or what percentage would you place on those that would
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  Speaker 1: prefer Donald Trump in office versus those that would prefer
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden and now Kamala Harrison office.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say probably over seventy five to eighty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the agents are are in supportive of President Trump coming
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  Speaker 2: back in the office. And I mean, it's just it,
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  Speaker 2: you know. You I'm talking to the agents and even
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  Speaker 2: some of the younger agents that are that are coming
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  Speaker 2: in or are barely starting in their career. I've heard
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  Speaker 2: comments saying I didn't sign up for this moment, and
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  Speaker 2: I always saw him. I understand that. But the pegelon
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  Speaker 2: has swung a different and a different direction than what
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  Speaker 2: it was before. But like my journeyman once told me
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  Speaker 2: years ago when I came in, he says, the Pegeant's
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  Speaker 2: going to swing in different directions. But when it swings back,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in a direction that's favorable to us, you goes.
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  Speaker 2: In some instances, it can swing back pretty hard, he goes.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, you got to be ready for these
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  Speaker 2: for these swings like that. He goes, Just do do
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  Speaker 2: what you're supposed to do with the oath that you took,
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  Speaker 2: and do it to the best of your ability. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we can't control politics.
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  Speaker 1: When when I'm gonna I'm going to make a phrase,
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  Speaker 1: I give you a phrase here, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: get your reaction. As a former Board of Patrol agent
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  Speaker 1: and from the perspective of someone who has still got
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  Speaker 1: many friendships and relationships within Border Patrol, Jesus Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 1: borders are.
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  Speaker 2: Not needed. She never she never showed up at the border,
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  Speaker 2: So what's the point, I mean, what's the point of
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  Speaker 2: putting her in that position? You have to have somebody
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  Speaker 2: that will learn about the border and will take action
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  Speaker 2: on whatever the agents or whatever the higher ups are
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  Speaker 2: are asking for it in order to control the border.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we've got a lot of issues to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. Hazos stand by. He's kind enough to join
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  Speaker 1: us as we kind of try to understand what's happening
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  Speaker 1: on the southern border. Because in every survey it is one,
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  Speaker 1: two or three. Usually it's one or two as the
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  Speaker 1: most important issue in the upcoming national election. Some subjects
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  Speaker 1: will just make you furious. Don't worry. We're here to
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  Speaker 1: make it all better. There you go, Yes, it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, This is the.
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show with Preston Scott Levin passed the hour. Hazeus
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  Speaker 1: Rodriguez with US US Border Patrol agent retired our guests,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus no particular order here, but Joe Biden's stepping down.
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  Speaker 1: It's Kamala Harris. What what do you think is is
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  Speaker 1: that impacting numbers at the border right now, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it it looks as though Trump may come back
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  Speaker 1: into office.
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  Speaker 2: So the numbers are down right now in some parts.
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  Speaker 2: I know in California they're still pretty they're pretty busy
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  Speaker 2: out there. And if you've seen some of the news reports,
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  Speaker 2: there's that huge gap that they have in the in
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  Speaker 2: the border wall out there. So they just all come
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  Speaker 2: into that one area and and just wait for the
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  Speaker 2: Border Patrol to come pick them up there and and
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  Speaker 2: take them to the stations. So the numbers are down,
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  Speaker 2: like and like in Arizona, the numbers are down because
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  Speaker 2: it's the monsoons are here, the rains are here, so
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  Speaker 2: it slows traffic down because a lot of the access
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  Speaker 2: roads that lead to the to Some of these spots
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  Speaker 2: where they're crossing are not passable because of the rains,
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  Speaker 2: But as soon as it drives up, they're gonna it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna start kicking ramping up again. So now now you're
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  Speaker 2: hearing that there's another caravan coming, and that's what I was,
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  Speaker 2: That's what I have been fearing for quite a while
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  Speaker 2: that if the numbers and everything starts to trend in
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  Speaker 2: the direction of forty five, that the numbers are going
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  Speaker 2: to start to increase come fall into winter, and then
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  Speaker 2: if he will become victorious, I think the numbers are
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  Speaker 2: gonna just explode because they're going to try to come
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  Speaker 2: get in before he he takes office. And so with
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  Speaker 2: that present, I fear also that you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna you might have that problems where some of
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  Speaker 2: these illegal aliens are gonna take on the age in
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  Speaker 2: order to avoid being apprehended, and you could see some
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  Speaker 2: assaults taking place out in the border as well, because
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  Speaker 2: you know that when if it comes back in that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to go back home and they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to be you know, cut loosen and be allowed to
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  Speaker 2: remain in the country as they are right now.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of the polling that shows that
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  Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of Americans believe and support the notion
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  Speaker 1: of mass deportations of people that have illegally broken into
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  Speaker 1: this country.
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  Speaker 2: You know, President, That's been discussed a lot out here,
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  Speaker 2: and I will tell you that it honestly, on paper,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds, it sounds good, But in reality, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how you're going to be able to pull it
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  Speaker 2: off because you'd have to pull agents from the field
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  Speaker 2: out in the border to to do such a project
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  Speaker 2: like that, are such an enforcement action like that, plus
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  Speaker 2: you know the ICE agents as well, you'd have to
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  Speaker 2: Really there's a lot of logistical nightmares that I could
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  Speaker 2: say of that you know that you would have. And
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  Speaker 2: where do you start, you know, and where does it end?
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  Speaker 2: Because I mean, honestly, personally, I think you can you
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  Speaker 2: can probably close your eyes, put your finger on a
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  Speaker 2: map of the United States and if you were to
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  Speaker 2: look around there, there's probably legal aliens everywhere in this
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  Speaker 2: country now, even though we person we used to get
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  Speaker 2: them out in the desert and some of them were
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  Speaker 2: headed up to Alaska. What does that tell you? And
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  Speaker 2: this was years ago? Can only imagine what.
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  Speaker 1: If you took the approach of your leaving the personnel
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  Speaker 1: on the border, but you're going to just let kind
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  Speaker 1: of the internal apparatus. You're gonna you're going to follow
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  Speaker 1: through on the policies that are supposed to exist. Where
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  Speaker 1: there are detainers on people. When someone's arrested and we
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  Speaker 1: know that they're illegally in this country, Okay, that's you're
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  Speaker 1: starting to load up the train and the plane and
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  Speaker 1: the vehicles with those people. What if you just took
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  Speaker 1: a more pragmatic approach to the deportation issue.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's that's always that was always something
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  Speaker 2: that they would do. They would have a UNI in
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  Speaker 2: the stations called warcap Okay, and so they would go
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  Speaker 2: to the jails and interview people and they were if
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  Speaker 2: they determined they were legal aliens, they would put a
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  Speaker 2: detainer on them. So when they were going to get released,
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  Speaker 2: that agency would call the station or the stations and
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  Speaker 2: then they would go pick them up and then start
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  Speaker 2: the deportation process. And in some instances, in some areas,
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  Speaker 2: you still have local law enforcement that call the Verbtrol
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  Speaker 2: and they respond and then they determine their their ali
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  Speaker 2: image and then they go from there. If they're legal,
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  Speaker 2: they take them into Coustee unless the county or the
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  Speaker 2: state's going to take them into custy for whatever, you know, crime,
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  Speaker 2: And then of course you again you put a detain
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  Speaker 2: on them and hold them until they turn them over
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  Speaker 2: to you to the agency w.
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  Speaker 1: minutes past the hour, Heyeseus Rodriguez, US Border Patrol agent
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  Speaker 1: retired Mike guests he joined us multiple times a year
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  Speaker 1: here on the program. And certainly the southern border is
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  Speaker 1: a huge issue. Do you agree azeus that it's you know, one, two,
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  Speaker 1: or three on everyone's list of most important.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say so. I mean, it has to be up
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  Speaker 2: there because of all the previous activity that's been happening
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  Speaker 2: down there. I mean, in all the high numbers that
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  Speaker 2: the agency was seeing, plus the number of godaways, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that they're just taking a they're taking a stab
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  Speaker 2: at at the possible number of god aways, and it's
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  Speaker 2: probably a lot higher than what they've put out.
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I wanted to go here,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, one of the things that has been
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  Speaker 1: noted is literally nearly two hundred nations worth of people
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  Speaker 1: in the sense of different nations represented crossing our borders
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  Speaker 1: illegally but notably. We've got Islamic extremists, We've got Chinese nationals,
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  Speaker 1: and we know that almost weekly now China, these nationals
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  Speaker 1: are trying to get their way on the US military basis,
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  Speaker 1: and so I'm curious, is there ever any level of profiling.
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  Speaker 2: I would assume that with the intel that the agency
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  Speaker 2: now has with overseas, there probably already have an idea
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  Speaker 2: of the type of person the persons that are coming
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  Speaker 2: up towards the border, whether it's Chinese nationals or or
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  Speaker 2: from other countries. So it's it's kind of amazing that
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  Speaker 2: you have so many. I was shocked even in some
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  Speaker 2: of the numbers that some of the agents are telling
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  Speaker 2: me that they were they were getting from China and
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  Speaker 2: from some of these other countries. I mean countries that
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  Speaker 2: you that you have to look up on the map
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  Speaker 2: to see where they're where they were coming from. It's like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: it's amazing. And then I never in my career I
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  Speaker 2: had never seen that type of activity like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing for people to come across
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  Speaker 1: that are, you know, from Central or South America. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's sort of like okay, you can see the path,
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  Speaker 1: but I immediately am suspicious of people that are coming
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  Speaker 1: from the Middle East and from China because I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: to myself, how do you even afford the journey?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's that's mudgeling organization pressing that you know I've
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  Speaker 2: discussed before. You have a smuggling organization that is like
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  Speaker 2: an octopus. There's tentacles everywhere, so there are people that
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  Speaker 2: that will and and on top of that, you have
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  Speaker 2: these NGOs that exist in other countries that will kind
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  Speaker 2: of help people to get from you know, from point
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  Speaker 2: to point B all the way up to the border area.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it's all it's there. It's a very
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  Speaker 2: very sophisticated and a well funded and probably the logistical
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  Speaker 2: uh NGOs or other groups that help facilitate all these
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  Speaker 2: people that are coming up. And then of course the
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  Speaker 2: cartails are heavily involved in it because they're making money
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  Speaker 2: hand over fist, so they're you know, they know the
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  Speaker 2: logistical how to get people from you know, these places
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  Speaker 2: all the way up to the border and across. I
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  Speaker 2: was just going to ask you that they're coaching them
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  Speaker 2: too as they cross. What to say, what not to say?
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  Speaker 2: You know, all of these things that the agents will
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  Speaker 2: tell me that they would find multiple SIM cards all
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  Speaker 2: over the border because they would pull it out of
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  Speaker 2: the out of their cell phones before they cross, so
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  Speaker 2: the agents or the intel agents couldn't access it to
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  Speaker 2: look to see who they were in communications with or
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  Speaker 2: what they had.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I was just going to ask you, is there
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  Speaker 1: any has there been any change in the cartel activity
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  Speaker 1: since we've had this attempt at assassination or with Biden
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  Speaker 1: stepping down or is it too soon to tell?
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  Speaker 2: You shouldn't tell right now. I think it's gonna like
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  Speaker 2: I said, you'll see You'll see it. If the numbers
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  Speaker 2: start to ramp up in in uh in forty five
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  Speaker 2: directions and they start to really you know, take a
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  Speaker 2: take go up in numbers and people supporting him for
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  Speaker 2: return of the presidency, I think he's going to start
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  Speaker 2: to see a lot more of that activity on the
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  Speaker 2: border account.
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  Speaker 1: Do we still have more agents leaving than those that
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  Speaker 1: are interested in serving?
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  Speaker 2: I'd say that you do have quite a bit of
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  Speaker 2: agents leavings because they're frustrated with the job. Guys that
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  Speaker 2: and girls that probably wouldn't have retired, but are as
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  Speaker 2: soon as they hit that that point where they can retire,
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  Speaker 2: they're walking out. And and the other thing to Preston
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  Speaker 2: were losing them to two different agencies, you know, these
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  Speaker 2: different other federal agencies, and so you know, they they
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  Speaker 2: they're frustrated with what's happening and what's what's still happening,
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  Speaker 2: so they're they're looking elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but really, do we want to go work for
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  Speaker 1: the federal government somewhere else? At least for now?
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know. And then and it's sad because
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  Speaker 2: you know, in my career we've run into agents that
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  Speaker 2: you know, either that that I knew or that had
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  Speaker 2: were agents in the past. And the one thing they
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  Speaker 2: always say is that, man, I wish I could be
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  Speaker 2: back out in the field. I really miss being out
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  Speaker 2: in the field. And you left to these agencies. Why
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  Speaker 2: did you leave? You know, you should have stayed out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you should have wrote it out.
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  Speaker 1: But well, let me ask you this, if if if
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is returned to office, do you expect there
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  Speaker 1: to be a surge in those that are willing to
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  Speaker 1: serve on the border.
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  Speaker 2: I would hope so, Preston and and I'm I'm banking
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  Speaker 2: not that the recruitment recruiters are doing a good job
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  Speaker 2: of doing that outreach, which they are, I would hope so.
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  Speaker 2: But it's got it's not going to be an overnight.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna take am It's gonna take a while before
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  Speaker 2: you can start to see that those numbers of every
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  Speaker 2: increase of agents. But don't forget, you know, you have
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  Speaker 2: your local agencies and some of these local agencies and
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  Speaker 2: even county agents that are offering a lot of money
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  Speaker 2: too to these people, you know, to the same applicants.
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  Speaker 2: So you you know, they are an applicant now in
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  Speaker 2: today's in today's world for law enforcement, they can pick
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  Speaker 2: and choose where they want to go because there there's
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  Speaker 2: there's there's money being thrown around signing bonuses. All right.
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  Speaker 1: It is always it's great visiting with you. My best
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  Speaker 1: to you and your family is Zeus and thanks for
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  Speaker 1: the time, Thank you, sir. Kick care Hey Zeus Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 1: I'll point out up at five am before five am
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  Speaker 1: local time in Arizona to join us live here on
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  Speaker 1: the Morning Show with Preston Scott, twenty seven minutes past
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  Speaker 1: the hour.