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JonTron Made Us Laugh, Dropped Some Racism Then Disappeared Forever · Papa Gut

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  This just proves people will believe what anyone says to
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  them. They don't.
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  They don't bother to do the research.
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  I mean think first. What the fuck was that?
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  That might not age very well for him.
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  Wealthy blacks also commit more crime than poor whites.
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  Wait. What?
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  I love racism. On the one hand it's destroying
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  the country, on the other hand it makes people into local
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  house. Not to mention he apparently had
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  a background in theater. How would I have ever predicted
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  that the allowed boisterous online person was a theater
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  major? John went on a podcast with his
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  friend Ethan Klein from age 3. John is just like, I really
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  don't want to talk talk about this.
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  The fact that, like Jontron, would even expect to be able to
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  go on Ethan's show without having to address it is
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  entitled. Why is he not uploading?
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  Well Jon just started posting anti vax tweets, whatever the
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  that means. Like he has no actual brain.
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  All right, guys, let's do something a little different.
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  It's a Jontron video. Jontron's life and death from no
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  bed. Yeah, I haven't really.
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  I guess it's a rise and fall type video.
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  I'm kind of curious. I mean, I know he fell pretty
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  hard, like years ago. Has it been a decade since he
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  did some weird white supremacist conversation with Destiny?
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  I think it was. I got it on my my Papa got
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  archive channel. I did like a react to it.
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  The downfall of Dontron. Whoa.
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  You can watch it there if you want.
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  Or you could just fucking just turn the video off for the hate
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  me. Anyway, I'm curious.
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  Let's take a look. You guys know the deal really
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  quick. We got stickers link in the
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  description, fun stuff, nice and quick.
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  I got a podcast on my wife, fun stuff, nice and quick.
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  And we got memberships also fun stuff, nice and quick small gut
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  access to the live streams after I'm offline and the members only
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  Discord medium gut both of those things, plus members only
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  content, exclusive videos, cool stuff.
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  We're going to do it do through desktop because it's cheaper.
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  All right, I like doing these quick.
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  Let's go. Let's get it going.
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  I don't know where your children is, but I also don't know where
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  Jontron is. Seriously, it's been, I think.
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  He just got offline because he's rich, right?
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  Has he even started doing anything lately?
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  Like a year since he uploaded a not uncommon leave of absence
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  for a man like John. But there's a reason we wait.
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  A guy who initially started that was a dime a dozen game reviewer
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  on YouTube quick. Was he?
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  I used to watch him. I thought he was kind of cool.
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  I thought he was like, fun, you know?
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  Quickly shaped up to be not just one of the biggest gaming
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  channels on YouTube, but. Oh yeah, he hasn't done anything
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  in the year. Anamorphs.
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  Cool. At his peak was a genuine pillar
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  of the Internet. Even if you haven't watched
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  Jontron, you have experienced something that was a direct
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  result of his doing. Jontron lives in my head as a
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  golden standard of YouTube content creation.
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  Even despite the racism. What was?
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  That and the racism. How could he get more relatable?
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  Oh, I'm supposed to use my gun here, I think.
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  Damn it. Considering I've spent over half
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  of my life on YouTube, I have come to view some of it with a
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  lens of prestige, seeing YouTube as a genuine art form that can
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  take shape in multiple ways as time goes by.
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  There are still some people. I never looked at Gamer Grumps.
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  People talk about that. I never saw that.
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  I just saw the regular schmegular, is that a word Stuff
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  stuff, you know what I mean? I would just watch like his
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  Jontron stuff. Some videos that occupy my head
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  as being more than a video, an experience that stays with you
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  because I have probably rewatched that experiences
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  almost a dozen times at this point.
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  But how do you even make videos like that in the 1st place?
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  How do you get to be able to make videos with a set to make
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  your YouTube channel feel like a show?
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  Well, why not go back in time and?
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  Is this an ad? Are you about to do an ad read?
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  Do a retrospective on Jontron's channel.
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  Isn't that right, John Pierre? Did he have the bird and his old
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  stuff? I don't remember that.
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  I remember the Angry Video Game Nerd doing like the shit Pickle.
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  I kind of feel like he's close to John.
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  John Ish, you know. For some context, in the mid to
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  late 2000s, one of the earliest forms of gaming content on the
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  Internet would be in the form of angry reviews.
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  We're so. Hell yeah.
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  Someone would review it. I feel like this guy looks
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  familiar. Who is this guy?
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  Childhood game but give an explosive overreaction to the
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  medium this format. Being started, it's because
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  everybody, because everybody was like everybody on line is like a
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  loser. Everybody on line is a theatre
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  nerd. They all want to do theatre, so
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  they're all, they're all theatre nerds and they're making
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  content. By none other than a figure
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  called the angry video game nerd, also known as James Rolfe,
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  also known as in a massacre. The concept of someone watching
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  or playing something and giving an overreaction to it has taken
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  on many forms over the years on YouTube.
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  Not just gaming reviews, but movie reviews, commentary
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  videos, video essays, you name it, the AVGN is to.
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  Yup. That's when everything was just
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  the that's what. It's so funny to me.
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  Everybody wants to go back to the golden years at YouTube, but
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  it was all just theatre shit. So it's like, shut up, you know?
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  YouTube what Doom is to games. His influence is so widespread
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  that people who have never watched him will be inspired by
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  someone who did. But those who were inspired by
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  him made it very. Very What the fuck?
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  Apparent. This looks like a fucking
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  chocolate chip cookie. And it might sound unnecessary
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  to get into YouTube history when talking about Jontron because he
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  wasn't really just a gaming channel, but when he.
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  Started. Did he really come out before
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  Angry Video Game Nerd? I don't know if I believe that
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  that. What the fuck?
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  Put it down in 2010, the odds were against him.
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  He was dipping his toes in what seemed like an oversaturated
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  market and that's because it was.
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  And fighting that oversaturation is where the story of Jontron
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  has to begin. It's a 20 year old wide eyed kid
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  who has to make a name for himself, and we get to see the
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  growing pains of someone who would eventually make some of
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  the best content on this platform.
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  And Speaking of Doom, John's first review would be of
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  Daikatana, a game made by John Romero, creator of Doom, and he
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  made that game with a bunch of other I.
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  Feel like I watched this before when I was younger.
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  What the fuck? Ellis.
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  But they didn't make Daikatana now, did they?
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  For a first video. You can tell this is a heavily
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  invested project because he feels obligated to tell you in
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  Comic Sans that this video was written and directed by John
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  Jafari. But the effort is there.
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  I mean, he has a theme song. Damn it, I don't even have a
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  theme song. It's me neither, man.
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  I heard. It's tacky.
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  You know, I wanted to make a theme song, but actually I did
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  have a theme song. Remember when I used to have the
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  one song, Papaga? I wish Papaga would pee on my
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  face. That was Ryan Beard's song.
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  Wow, crazy. It's not to say I haven't tried,
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  but whenever I try to make one, it just ends up being same old
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  Love by Anita Baker. Now when it comes to the angry
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  review, there are a few trademarks we need to identify.
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  First of all, does your game have a rundown of its creation
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  if possible? Fast forward to 1997, John
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  Romero leaves its software to Co found another company called Ion
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  Storm. Two, can you find something you
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  hate about the game before you even play it?
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  Look at this. What the Hell's happening?
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  Your guess is as good as mine. And three, find a mildly
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  annoying game mechanic that you can blow out of proportion.
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  Because of this fatal flaw, if it wasn't for the Internet, I'm.
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  No, don't make me a theme song. I'm not going to use it.
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  I don't really want a theme song.
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  I think it's tacky. No, they.
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  Have never gotten past the first 3 minutes of the game.
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  You know what's so funny? Can we talk about that?
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  So funny. This is like so true.
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  Like if Jontron and so many other people were like this huge
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  representation of how bad old video games used to be because
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  they did like, right. Like they used to be a ton of
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  old, old bad video games because a lot of OK, a lot of stuff was
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  just made just to make it. There were so many horrible
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  video games and they were so frustrating and it was like
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  angry and it was like annoying. But then like now every single
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  weird like white supremacist online that can't find a
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  girlfriend, but then doesn't want girls to play video games
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  because even though it's the only hobby space, they'd have
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  complaints how that you games used to be so good.
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  Yeah, games used to be pretty fucking good.
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  Whatever happened to all those good games?
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  Like ET is like, what are you talking about?
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  Games have always sucked. Like games have in some way,
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  shape or form or capacity have always sucked.
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  You know, not all of them, but just like a lot of them.
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  OK, That's just how it's always been.
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  There's always been good games and bad games, but they always
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  go back to the golden age. But there's like an entire
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  market of people like, oh man, fucking video games suck.
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  So I don't know, I think it's a little bit, it's kind of funny
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  to me, by God. He's a natural.
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  If you watched this video for the first time back in 2010, it
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  probably would have been a pretty unremarkable video,
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  especially among his contemporaries.
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  You know, thinking about it now, this video is from 2010, sixteen
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  years ago. This thing 16 years ago in 2010
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  was 1994. How old was I?
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  Oh, I was 20 years old, dude. Holy bazookers, man.
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  I'm fucking old as hell. Look how time flies now if
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  you're a long time viewer of the channel, first of all, love you.
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  But second of all, if you remember, I made a video a long
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  time ago about Normal Boots, a gaming collective that was made
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  because of YouTube's lack of monetization back then.
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  So the solution to making money from your videos?
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  Make an entire website that you can put ads on.
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  Now since then, the dope kind of smart man has been claimed by
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  the Indonesians, but back then this was a pretty special
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  website. The earliest documentation of
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  this website is November 15th, 2010, consisting of Jontron and
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  Austin Hargraves, also known as Peanut Butter Gamer.
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  I know. I have no idea who that is.
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  I'm so not in it on the I'm so not with it on the old video
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  game culture. I've said this before but I
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  remember back in the day I saw Scarlett takes a tumble.
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  I thought that was a friend of my ex girlfriends because I
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  didn't understand what YouTube was.
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  Isn't that crazy? I feel like there's probably so
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  many people who wanted to be like Youtubers and like I was
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  able to become a YouTube and so many other people wanted it so
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  much more. Isn't that so interesting?
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  Wow, fun to think about. Right BB and J, but compare
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  these two in the videos they were making, John's quality was
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  at a clear deficit at the time PBG was uploading an HD.
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  He didn't have radio static playing in the background and he
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  had better comedic timing. I also feel like PBG was able to
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  develop a much more unique gaming presence on YouTube.
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  Unlike a lot of the other angry game reviewers back then, Austin
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  had a much more relaxing video presence.
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  He found a lot more like a guy just just talking about games.
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  Compare that to Jontron. He was definitely trying to be
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  angry over the games he was playing.
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  Oh, you can't touch? Hey, sometimes you just got to,
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  you got to put it on. You know, that's just got to put
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  on the put on an act, a complete a farcical act, dude, you just
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  got to put it on. Fucking water.
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  Yeah, that's Cornell giving Konami the fucking.
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  Bird now looking at the Jontron channel.
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  The timeline looks simple enough.
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  First you have the early reviews, then he starts
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  developing a style wrong. There are so many videos you do
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  not see on Jontron's main channel because he took them
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  down, but I think. Why?
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  Did he have like bad reviews or something so he took him down?
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  Was he self-conscious? They're kind of important
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  because you see, there's Jontron the channel and Jontron the
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  show. Jontron the show being the
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  review format that he was doing, but he had a few other series up
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  his sleeve. Jontron the Show was the review
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  show that everyone came for the main course, if you will.
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  But he also just uploaded stuff. Just stuff.
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  I don't really remember any of this.
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  I wonder if I was a true YouTube watcher back then every.
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  Monday I'm going to release a real game.
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  Like most mediums, most video games are crap and you have to
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  wade through the slop to get to. Yeah exactly.
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  I agree with that 1000%. I just don't think that other
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  people understand that. Like from back in the day,
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  people have a meltdown because like there's more gay shit in
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  games or something and it's like, oh I wish we were back in
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  the back in the day when games were made for me.
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  And it's like, dude, shut up. Not everything needs to be made
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  for you. I don't understand.
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  And there's always been different types of video games.
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  I don't even know what that means, you know?
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  Like that's like complaining that games aren't made for you
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  because they're not all fucking side scrollers or something, you
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  know? It doesn't even make any fucking
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  sense. Game review, like a current game
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  and I'm going to give it a score and everything, and every Friday
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  I'm going to release what is being called a Jontron original.
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  Nice. This experimenting would
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  feedback into his main channel being able to do a bunch of
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  different stuff eventually fed into the main Jontron show and
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  it's a shame we don't really get to see that.
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  The only way we really get to see it is through various
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  archives re uploaded by other people.
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  Take for example this review of W7 he did which was just a
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  straight up review. No comedy, no intro.
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  I'm not even sure if it's a review because he put a question
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  mark after the word reviews, but it's a concise enough.
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  Sounds like maybe he just played the game.
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  I thought I could latch on to that.
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  So I guess maybe he just wanted to play the game.
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  Yeah. Should I do game reviews?
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  I feel like game reviews just like fucking terrible.
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  Like, I don't know. I just like, I don't know if I'd
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  ever really want to do some kind of a gaming review.
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  Personally. I don't know.
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  I like video games, but I don't know if I could like sit down
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  and play Lego game, especially nowadays, games last so fucking
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  long. Like you're playing games for
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  like fucking 30 hours and they're, they can be
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  entertaining, but like, how do you do a review on that?
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  I think it's very time consuming.
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  I don't know, I think I'd very quickly hate video games if I
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  was doing video game reviews, but I guess that was like the
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  only hobby people really had back then.
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  I mean, I still have it as a hobby.
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  I guess it's just, you know what I mean, so.
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  Analysis of the game in the vein of IGN.
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  Or actually this would have been 2010 G4.
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  The goal of the single player game is to mine enough elements
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  to build your own safe, hold clothes and weapons to last you
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  through the night when the monsters come out, and try to
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  dissect your anus from your sphincter.
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  Oh, what is that? Minecraft?
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  It's better than getting predatorized by the people who
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  play the game. You know what I'm?
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  Saying other series was gaming in public where he would take a
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  contemporary gaming issue and put it out on the streets say
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  for example this one about the 3DS where he made a point that
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  people. And what the hell happened?
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  Why did you start doing all this like ethnostate shit?
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  But will believe anything even without a credible source, which
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  John would never do well. This just proves people will
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  believe what anyone says to them.
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  They don't. They don't bother to do the
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  research. I mean think first.
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  Don't just believe, well, what anyone tells.
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  You Tom tans were a super popular.
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  That might not age very well for him.
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  Their format, they were easy way to get a lot of gaming opinions
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  out really really fast. Want to talk about Mario Party
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  mini games, but only for the really good ones in a really
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  cohesive list. This is also where you got to
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  see the most opinionated form of Jontron talking about his
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  favorite commercials. Really getting to see into the
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  mind of Jontron, like how his favorite gaming commercial was a
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  Halo commercial called Believe. Why is it his favorite?
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  Well. These commercials were just
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  plain beautiful, you know? OK, I don't really have anything
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  else to say. I I really liked my favorite
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  commercials, the old Girls Gone Wild commercials.
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  You guys know what, where they would put the DVDs over the
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  girls tits and you'd still Jack off to it.
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  Not me, you specifically, not me.
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  I would never Jack off to that. That would be disgusting, of
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  course, but you guys would do that all the time.
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  It's kind of gross, but yeah, you remember all that shit was
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  cool. See you guys next time.
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  I mean, he also talked about his most overrated games hitting the
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  flames, upsetting the Dame. Final Fantasy 8 fuck this game.
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  Seriously, take this game out back and.
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  Fuck it, but I do feel like these top 10s presented a side
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  of John. I wasn't a big fan of the Final
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  Fantasy. I beat the UF 7 when I was a
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  kid, but I don't know, never really resonated with me, you
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  know? That we didn't see in the other
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  videos and we wouldn't really get to see in other videos ever
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  again. It was moments like these where
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  you were really able to get attached to John, not just as a
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  creator, but as a person. With that said though, these
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  early Jontron videos and John himself would fall into an oh so
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  common trap that so many of these game reviewers would fall
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  in. They just weren't that good at
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  reviewing games. Nothing feels like it should.
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  I mean, what makes a good reviewer reviewer?
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  You just play a game and you're like, I didn't like that.
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  I think they were stink. It was stinky little shit.
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  Zombies do minimal damage, your guns RIP through them like
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  nothing, you move too fast. I never quite feel like I'm in
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  control of the action, or even playing a zombie game for that
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  matter. Zombies should move slow, damn
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  it. Don't get me wrong, they were
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  able to express their hatred for the game.
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  Perfect. Yeah, I guess so.
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  I mean, I guess it would depends on what kind of zombie you like,
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  but you know what? I agree, dude.
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  And you want to know what hot take this game mediocre as fuck.
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  I know people like it. I don't know, I just want it to
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  be kind of fucking all right. But I'm not a game reviewer,
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  dude. That's just it's just opinions
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  based. Typically, but to actually
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  deconstruct it and give a thorough analysis, not so much.
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  The Castlevania Legacy of Darkness review comes to mind.
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  What he wanted to try to actually review the game in some
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  capacity, but his first critique is that this 3D Castlevania game
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  doesn't feel enough like the 2D Castlevania games and the way
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  it's presented. It's like he wants to get mad
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  over something before he plays the actual game.
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  I'm not saying. That's how I like to be.
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  I like to be mad at everything all the time, just like an old
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  grumpy bitch, you know? I wish I had some ammunition.
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  Oh well, fuck me. Legacy of Darkness is a good
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  game. I'm never going to play it, but
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  John can never. Legacy of Darkness, was that a
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  good game? Really develop his feelings into
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  something a little bit more concrete.
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  Hey, look. Oh yeah, no, it's well, I
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  remember playing this for like 10 seconds.
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  It wasn't very good. I think that the actual
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  Castlevania people like abandoned this game like it's no
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  longer Canon because it was so bad.
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  Agronicon that should be a playable character, don't you?
• 17:06
  Birdman say the same thing about solar blade.
• 17:08
  Good. It's fucking mediocre shit man.
• 17:09
  I fucking this game sucks. The tits don't wake up for like
• 17:14
  how sticky everything feels. Now maybe that's just I keep
• 17:17
  coming all over the controller but I don't know dude.
• 17:19
  I feel like solar blade is just not.
• 17:22
  It's not that good. It's not a hot Dick.
• 17:25
  I don't know man, I'm out of shit think.
• 17:27
  The book, play the the book. A lot of these videos, I was
• 17:31
  struggling to tell what was supposed to be actual criticism
• 17:34
  and what was anger for the sake of anger.
• 17:35
  Like he looked at the Star Fox adventure characters and started
• 17:38
  throwing up over them. And it's like, huh, That that's
• 17:41
  what made you want to throw up? What did you want a HD version
• 17:44
  of Slippy to look like? John?
• 17:45
  I don't even want to know what you think of the Switch 2
• 17:47
  designs. Otherwise, the next Jontron
• 17:49
  episode might be directed by David Cronenberg.
• 17:51
  I think it looks good, dude. I could goon to that.
• 17:53
  I could do some Star Fox gooning to that.
• 17:55
  All in all, so this variety of content in hindsight allowed
• 17:58
  John trying to grow in ways that a lot of other reviewers weren't
• 18:01
  really growing. The little things he picked up
• 18:03
  along the way gradually developed him into a more
• 18:05
  well-rounded creator. Not to mention he apparently had
• 18:08
  a background in theatre, which explains.
• 18:13
  I think that we should all just take a moment to just understand
• 18:15
  how how accurate I am all the time like everything is.
• 18:19
  All jokes aside, dude, of course he's a fucking theatre major.
• 18:23
  How would I have ever predicted that the allowed, boisterous,
• 18:26
  obnoxious online person was a theatre major?
• 18:29
  And I'm not. That's not even me criticizing
• 18:30
  John. I'm just.
• 18:31
  I am just saying. I'm simply pointing out a fact.
• 18:36
  I'm not afraid to point out facts.
• 18:38
  You know what I'm saying? Is why his voice was just as
• 18:41
  strong as it was and you can hear this especially develop in
• 18:44
  2012 to what he would eventually be able to do.
• 18:46
  Those belts, those screams, they're so difficult to pull off
• 18:50
  yet John made it look so effortless.
• 18:52
  You don't even realize it initially because he was just
• 18:54
  pulling that shit off so smooth. Whenever I try to tell people
• 18:57
  that I'm working on screaming, they just look at me like I'm a
• 19:00
  crazy person. Like I don't know how to explain
• 19:02
  it. Like I've been so soft spoken
• 19:03
  all of my life that I genuinely just never developed the ability
• 19:06
  to like scream scream like obviously you have to practice
• 19:09
  training your voice to even make it be commanding in the 1st
• 19:12
  place, but to actually scream like.
• 19:14
  I remember when I used to be able to scream like a girl when
• 19:18
  I was like a kid when I was a girl, but I can't do like a high
• 19:21
  pitched screech anymore. Like I scream like a fucking old
• 19:24
  person and then I hear fucking 22 year old Jontron and I'm like
• 19:27
  damn, why? Why did I have to be so scared
• 19:30
  all the time? Fuck you.
• 19:31
  Production quality would be a consistent theme in Jontron's
• 19:34
  content throughout this decade, especially as he focused on
• 19:36
  using games as a vessel to try out new editing tricks and tell
• 19:39
  jokes. John.
• 19:40
  How did we escape? I just left that seems too easy
• 19:44
  I. Just left the cartridge wasn't
• 19:45
  gaming history as much as it was a prompt that was meant to be
• 19:47
  destroyed. The Mighty Man's cartridge.
• 19:50
  In my mind, Max episode was just my neighbor's game.
• 19:54
  The Dino City review I remember fucking nothing from this video
• 19:56
  and I watched this video last week.
• 19:58
  For this video, all I remember is the ending where he's saying
• 20:00
  Katy Perry's firework because. Were you just binge watching old
• 20:03
  Jontron videos for fun? Is that what you're telling me?
• 20:06
  I guess that's cool. Good for you, man.
• 20:08
  I think that's excellent. Oh fuck my balls.
• 20:10
  That's all that anyone remembers when John trying to hit 100,000
• 20:12
  subscribers, he celebrated with a video about Banjo Kazooie Nuts
• 20:16
  and bolts. Not only can you fill the amount
• 20:18
  of effort that he put into. I looked that up before and I
• 20:20
  just got a lot of porn. This video but you can see the
• 20:23
  style he had developed over the last couple years being put into
• 20:27
  such a fun and exciting video on YouTube.
• 20:29
  It was one of his longest videos to date and by God did it have
• 20:32
  the highest production quality. I think this video can be seen
• 20:35
  as a send off to his oldest era of videos and it was the
• 20:37
  accumulation of everything he had worked on so far in one
• 20:40
  video. He had gotten so much command of
• 20:42
  his voice at this point. The screaming.
• 20:44
  By God, the screaming. I remember watching that, I
• 20:49
  liked that video. I'll be honest with you.
• 20:51
  Am I supposed to have more ammo or something?
• 20:53
  Like why am I getting my fucking tits twisted?
• 20:56
  You don't understand how hard that is to pull off.
• 20:58
  But he still hadn't gotten the really good camera quality just
• 21:01
  yet. He still had the remnants of
• 21:02
  being an angry reviewer with his back story about rear wear and
• 21:05
  how every fucking. But I feel like that's that's
• 21:08
  almost endearing. You know, it's almost endearing
• 21:11
  when you, when your camera sucks and your quality's terrible.
• 21:17
  It makes you seem like a real person.
• 21:20
  You know what I mean? Like wow, this is a real guy.
• 21:23
  YouTube retreated. This is just a normal rash,
• 21:26
  roots, salt of the earth guy. You know what I'm?
• 21:28
  Saying I'm like God's chosen game developers.
• 21:30
  It takes him 8 minutes to actually review Banjo Kazooie
• 21:33
  Nuts and bolts, but it honestly didn't matter.
• 21:35
  I think this video proved Jon's biggest strength more than any
• 21:38
  other Jontron video. Was being entertaining to other
• 21:40
  people online that like theatre ships.
• 21:43
  But again, that's it. The world is run by the theatre
• 21:46
  now, it is true. When it came to a game review,
• 21:49
  John never had to make points in his video.
• 21:52
  You just had to feel hell, he felt, and this video did such a
• 21:55
  good job at capturing that. And to this day, I think it's
• 21:58
  the most inspiring Jontron video.
• 22:00
  John admitted in later interviews that he did gaming
• 22:02
  content because it was the popular thing to do and, well,
• 22:05
  it's. Probably because he liked the
• 22:06
  gaming content as well. Because he's a gamer, so.
• 22:09
  And it was more just used as a vessel to Dick around but his
• 22:12
  Dick and got good his. Dick and got.
• 22:15
  Real good. I loved John sticking and I was
• 22:17
  willing to get more of it. OK, I like the way that you
• 22:20
  think. Beautiful thing, man.
• 22:24
  Why is he not uploading? Well, there's a reason he was
• 22:26
  playing video games when the channel game.
• 22:29
  I feel like they should talk more about Donkey.
• 22:31
  Dude, Donkey doesn't upload anymore.
• 22:33
  That guy's cool as hell. You guys remember video game
• 22:36
  Donkey? I think he does upload actually.
• 22:37
  I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 22:39
  What am I saying? Gums first came out.
• 22:40
  It was an unintentional match made in heaven for a bunch of
• 22:43
  people. Let's Plays we're an emerging
• 22:44
  genre on YouTube, and Gang Grumps themselves were inspired
• 22:47
  by Felon. Never watch gamer grumps.
• 22:49
  I don't remember that at all. I literally never watched it.
• 22:52
  Normal boots members continue Jon and Erin Ego Raptor Hanson
• 22:56
  decided to sit down on the couch and play a bunch of video games.
• 22:59
  A lot of their identity came from the games they played.
• 23:01
  They didn't focus is. That what my biggest issue is.
• 23:03
  Should I be playing more video games with the friends I don't
• 23:06
  have? Was nuts and bolts just like
• 23:07
  Tears of the Kingdom. I didn't play that one either.
• 23:11
  On playing the most popular games at the time, they focused
• 23:14
  on games that they wanted to play.
• 23:16
  Like one of the first games they played on this channel was
• 23:18
  fucking Goof Troop and from there it created a.
• 23:20
  Dude, I heard a goof Troop was actually a pretty good game.
• 23:22
  Huge community, a community of people who also animated before
• 23:26
  them. This was in the form of Game
• 23:27
  Grumps animated, some of the most popular content.
• 23:29
  They wouldn't make all this channel.
• 23:30
  What can I say? People warmed up to the Grump,
• 23:32
  which meant you got a lot of Jon.
• 23:34
  You got Jon almost every single day.
• 23:36
  What you didn't get was Jontron upload.
• 23:39
  John was on the Game Grumps channel for like.
• 23:41
  He wouldn't upload his own content.
• 23:42
  Is that what you're? Saying a little less than a year
• 23:44
  and between that time he uploaded 2 Jontron episodes,
• 23:47
  Night Shade and Space Ace. Space Ace in particular having
• 23:50
  more. Ace focusing on that quality and
• 23:52
  making money I guess. More views than my entire
• 23:55
  channel has ever gone in its lifetime.
• 23:57
  Cool because there's levels to this shit.
• 23:59
  Trust to believe that despite the like.
• 24:01
  Hey, listen, you know what? I feel like you don't have to
• 24:04
  get that as many views anymore as you used to, to be able to be
• 24:07
  popular, you know what I mean? Of uploads, the uptick in
• 24:11
  quality was going up the same, so in between months you would
• 24:13
  see this drastically increasing change in quality between
• 24:16
  uploads. I guess in that way he could
• 24:17
  argue that the year of Gang Brums was a transitionary period
• 24:20
  for Jon and this would not be the last break that Jon would
• 24:22
  take. As a matter of fact, one of the
• 24:24
  most infamous parts of Jontron is that he would take multi
• 24:26
  month long breaks. For the entire history of his
• 24:29
  channel, this has practically been a thing.
• 24:31
  It's a little bit funny to me though.
• 24:33
  Again, he's like kind of like a weird right winger now.
• 24:35
  So it's like, how are you going to take a bunch of like multi
• 24:37
  month long breaks and then complain about what's going on?
• 24:39
  Elsie's from I think Iran, so. Thing that has defined him.
• 24:42
  Do you realize how much support is needed from people in order
• 24:45
  to even be able to do something like this?
• 24:47
  Hey guys, why don't you support me more so I can just not do any
• 24:50
  work anymore? Only upload 2 YouTube videos in
• 24:53
  a year, you know what happens to me.
• 24:54
  I go back to bagging groceries. This meant that people were
• 24:57
  eager to find new Jontron by any means necessary, even if.
• 25:00
  So they look at the imitators. They meant going through old
• 25:03
  Contron videos, and I mean old like going through cartoons he
• 25:07
  made on new grounds when he was 14 and somehow sounds almost the
• 25:10
  exact same old. Now I Krauser will show you what
• 25:15
  real power is. Expect any.
• 25:17
  More. Onion Videos How do you know who
• 25:22
  told? You Another infamous example was
• 25:24
  the video Apples and Breaks. Now this video was.
• 25:27
  I remember that. I don't remember that at all.
• 25:28
  I do remember going on new grounds.
• 25:30
  I remember I watched a cool new grounds thing one time where it
• 25:35
  was, fuck what was it? It was like like there are Mario
• 25:37
  people storming the castle to some song.
• 25:42
  It's kind of bad ass man. People used to make some cool
• 25:44
  shit back then. Different in that it wasn't
• 25:47
  really a review, but it wasn't really a skit either.
• 25:50
  He hadn't really made anything like this.
• 25:52
  The issue was that no one had it saved.
• 25:54
  I know Jontron is. Everybody archives everything
• 25:58
  nowadays, isn't that crazy? Lost media.
• 26:01
  It didn't help that Jon alluded to this video with references
• 26:04
  like apples and grapes and when asked about it in conventions,
• 26:07
  treated it as this forbidden video that made him really
• 26:10
  uncomfortable. When might we?
• 26:12
  Why the fuck would you ever talk about it?
• 26:13
  The apples and breaks again, or any of the other.
• 26:17
  Oh boy, I don't know. I just why you put me on this
• 26:20
  spot, I don't know. I don't.
• 26:21
  Know why? Do you think it was cringe or
• 26:23
  something? What?
• 26:24
  I don't know. But that made people all the
• 26:26
  more eager to find this forbidden video.
• 26:28
  I mean, people have scarce memories of what the video was
• 26:30
  like, and whenever they described it, it was like an
• 26:32
  Internet horror. The intro started off as normal
• 26:34
  before distorting before our very eyes and cuts to a video of
• 26:38
  John crying in the mirror. It sounds like a fake Horror
• 26:40
  Story like this sounds like a fake video.
• 26:42
  But that's what makes it all the more weird that it was real,
• 26:46
  practically became a part of Jontron mythology, this
• 26:48
  mysterious hidden video that no one could find.
• 26:51
  But one day it happened. Someone had the video archived
• 26:54
  on ACD and was able to read. So that's no way they had an odd
• 26:57
  enough fucking CD. We uploaded for all the world to
• 27:00
  see, so let's see what this Lost Jontron video was like.
• 27:09
  Well this is scary man. What the fuck?
• 27:13
  Who's over here? I was over here.
• 27:16
  I put my knee. I put my knee.
• 27:20
  I broke the screen. What the fuck was that?
• 27:25
  I don't understand what that was.
• 27:32
  I was over here. I was over here.
• 27:35
  I put my knee. I put my knee.
• 27:39
  I broke the screen. I don't understand what I'm
• 27:46
  watching right now. That's it, That was the last
• 27:49
  episode. That was just a cheap joke
• 27:51
  video. Maybe he was just trying to rile
• 27:54
  people up, get him to goon up a little bit and get that
• 27:59
  anticipation going up for no fucking reason.
• 28:01
  Just it was like a big long edging joke or something.
• 28:05
  Maybe he was being vague on purpose, but I.
• 28:08
  Maybe, I mean, maybe he just wanted some attention.
• 28:12
  Maybe he just wanted some attention, man, You know what?
• 28:15
  I'm. Saying, I don't know.
• 28:15
  John has a history of being needlessly vague about things
• 28:18
  that always blows them out of proportion.
• 28:20
  Speaking of, in June 2013, John left Game Grumps to focus on his
• 28:24
  channel and move to New York. It was a small, eventful
• 28:26
  timeframe. Wow, Is he still in New York?
• 28:28
  Oh, yeah. You know what's crazy?
• 28:29
  Oh, dude, he is, I think. Well, maybe he's not here
• 28:30
  anymore. Years ago, I remember I went up
• 28:33
  to, I went up somewhere. I'm not going to say where I
• 28:37
  went, but I remember I went somewhere like it's with state
• 28:41
  and I saw I saw somebody there and they're like, oh, are you
• 28:45
  Papa Gut? I was like, oh, yeah, nice to
• 28:46
  meet you. Bah, Bah, Bah.
• 28:47
  And they're like, you know, Jontron lives around here.
• 28:50
  He's like, don't tell anybody. I told you, though, because I
• 28:52
  don't want to get he. He doesn't want anybody to know.
• 28:54
  I was like, OK, so I just never told anybody.
• 28:59
  But I get he, I guess he lives by there.
• 29:01
  What the fuck am I in combat with?
• 29:02
  What the hell? Oh.
• 29:03
  For him, and he felt it was necessary to move on and evolve
• 29:06
  with his content. He was replaced by Dan Avidan,
• 29:08
  and that's all that happened. Things were not made needlessly
• 29:11
  weird and awkward by everyone involved, including fans who
• 29:14
  couldn't comprehend social cues that well.
• 29:16
  For the next couple years, whenever asked about Game
• 29:18
  Grumps, people affiliated with Game Grumps would be needlessly
• 29:21
  weird and awkward, and people eventually theorized that John
• 29:24
  punched Aaron's wife in the face.
• 29:25
  Well, this event. That makes a lot of sense.
• 29:27
  Is that his wife? She looks like she got punched.
• 29:29
  Now I'm just kidding. Charity of the conflict ranges
• 29:32
  from theory to theory. The most infamous?
• 29:34
  Is this the Internet, anarchist or whatever?
• 29:36
  This is the claim that John hit Susie.
• 29:39
  And then why would he hit her? Why would they think that?
• 29:41
  Promptly fled to New York to escape Aaron's wrath.
• 29:45
  What? What makes them think this?
• 29:47
  That's the real question. What makes them think that that
• 29:51
  would happen? Could you tell us what street it
• 29:55
  was on? You think I have a memory to
• 29:57
  tell you what fucking St. it was on?
• 29:58
  I was at a fucking Applebee's. There's your answer.
• 30:01
  I was not a fucking Applebee's. Actually the guy.
• 30:05
  Remember where it was? Now, there was at least an
• 30:07
  implication that something behind the scenes happened, but
• 30:10
  I think on paper, John leaving to New York and not being with
• 30:14
  the guy where they have to do a physical show together, yeah,
• 30:17
  that's grounds for leaving the show.
• 30:19
  Like if John said he. Maybe it was like the racism
• 30:22
  stuff, Maybe it's all the racism, you know?
• 30:25
  He left Jontron over creative differences and then proceeded
• 30:28
  to create different things. He's probably telling you the
• 30:31
  truth. If you're harassing someone
• 30:33
  about the truth and they shut you down, it's not because
• 30:35
  they're shutting down the truth. It's because you're being
• 30:37
  fucking weird. And I wish someone Aaron or John
• 30:40
  were directing. Maybe they just didn't want to
• 30:42
  tell the people the reason, you know?
• 30:43
  I think that that's perfectly respectable generally.
• 30:46
  Generally speaking, they just don't want to give out that
• 30:49
  information. Up to their fans that they could
• 30:51
  have just extinguished this swarm of overanalyzing fans like
• 30:55
  this was 13 years ago. John leaving Game Grumps is
• 30:57
  closer to 911 than to the present day, and there's still
• 31:00
  somehow. What the fuck?
• 31:02
  Drama about this. So the moral I guess is be
• 31:05
  transparent with your fans. Try to communicate with them.
• 31:09
  I'm going to eat my words saying that, aren't I?
• 31:10
  Now would that say. Why do you feel that way?
• 31:13
  And this might come off as toxic, but there are some
• 31:16
  pairings where even though they might not be the best of
• 31:18
  friends, their energy as performers just work so well
• 31:22
  that it's genuinely lighting in a bottle.
• 31:24
  Even if Game Grumps wasn't the best channel, even if Stir Crazy
• 31:26
  isn't the best movie, there's an undeniable energy when these two
• 31:30
  come into a room together. It was an That's kind of gay and
• 31:33
  gross. Environment where two people got
• 31:35
  to hone their improv skills to riff, be funnier, and John got
• 31:38
  funnier because of it. And it showed in his new videos.
• 31:41
  In his departure video Ode to Jon, he mentioned that after
• 31:44
  leaving the Grumps, he wanted to make a Jontron season 2, at
• 31:47
  least mentally. It was the dawn of a new
• 31:49
  approach to Jon. It would take some radio silence
• 31:51
  before we saw Jon get his bear. It's interesting 'cause there's
• 31:54
  like a lot of intentional announcements, like, oh, I want
• 31:56
  to do this, oh, I want to do that.
• 31:59
  It's like if there's some people where they do more announcements
• 32:03
  than they do actually like changing like, like actually,
• 32:07
  you know, making the meaningful content, if that makes sense,
• 32:09
  you know what I mean? Always announcements.
• 32:11
  Oh, I'm going to do this meaningful thing.
• 32:13
  That's why I try not to like make a meaningful and meaningful
• 32:15
  announcements when I do stuff, you know what I mean?
• 32:16
  Because it's like the content world can be a little funky
• 32:20
  sometimes where you might, like, make, you know, change your mind
• 32:23
  all the time. Pairings together and create a
• 32:25
  new Jon Dron video. When Hercules games came out a
• 32:28
  lot of things happened. This was Jon's first video in
• 32:30
  New York and Oh my God did he upgrade nearly every aspect of
• 32:34
  his videos. Look at the new intro.
• 32:36
  It's a pixel art animation that is some timeless shit right
• 32:40
  there for season 2. Most of the animation was done
• 32:42
  by someone named Micah Frahr and man I love the animation they
• 32:45
  did at the beginning of these videos.
• 32:47
  Those little animated bits they did that showcased the game they
• 32:50
  were talking about. It's like getting a a scoop of
• 32:52
  ice cream before eating a delicious steak.
• 32:54
  And they even had Halloween variants.
• 32:57
  I don't think that would match. I feel like steak matches grapes
• 33:00
  for some reason. Grapes and steak works with me.
• 33:03
  How does that sound to you guys and Chris?
• 33:05
  Did I not finish everything down?
• 33:06
  Here, Miss Variance. Oh my God.
• 33:08
  And man, John was already looking crisp in his last couple
• 33:11
  of videos. But there's something especially
• 33:13
  detailed about this era. Maybe it was the New York era.
• 33:16
  I don't know to describe the production quality.
• 33:18
  I don't know if I would consider it professional because it still
• 33:20
  just felt like people making videos, but it was really
• 33:23
  ambitious and when it came to reviewing a game I also.
• 33:26
  Think How much fucking money did this guy make you?
• 33:28
  Think like how much fucking money do you think this guy was
• 33:31
  making on YouTube? I guess a lot like probably
• 33:34
  millions of he's able to like not make anything anymore.
• 33:36
  John improved his craft in this department as well, not because
• 33:39
  he gave legitimate criticism to a game.
• 33:41
  But it was broccoli and steak. I mean, no, Why would you do
• 33:43
  broccoli and steak? At least fucking steak and
• 33:46
  asparagus. What are you talking about?
• 33:47
  Broccoli and steak? What?
• 33:49
  Do you hate me? What do you hate yourself?
• 33:52
  So much more focused about letting us see the game through
• 33:55
  his lens. When you watched him play
• 33:57
  Takeshi's Challenge, you experienced the difficulty and
• 34:00
  batshit nature of a proto Yakuza game.
• 34:02
  Did you know him or when he reviewed movies like Food Fight?
• 34:09
  It just becomes a disastrous deep dive into this disgusting,
• 34:12
  psychotic film. All you need to know about this
• 34:14
  movie is what you're seeing before your very eyes, and all
• 34:17
  Jon has to do is hold your hand and comfort you through this
• 34:19
  traumatizing experience of a movie.
• 34:21
  When it comes to early Jon Trundo, something in these
• 34:24
  videos that will never appear again is that you never knew.
• 34:27
  It was him because he's not going to be.
• 34:30
  Yeah, mash shows is good, too. But you can.
• 34:32
  You can do steak, mash retails and asparagus.
• 34:33
  You know that, right? Come on, you guys got to get
• 34:36
  your fucking game together. Knew how the video was going to
• 34:38
  end and it was in a way that just felt so energetic a little
• 34:41
  bit of a hot take care but in the more rapid fire reviews you
• 34:44
  know Hercules games home alone games Barbie games war games
• 34:48
  funny games these were a general.
• 34:50
  Oh, I remember that was a, that was a movie.
• 34:53
  It wasn't funny though. It's pretty fucked up actually.
• 34:55
  It's actually a little dramatizing if you've ever
• 34:57
  watched it. Holy bazookers.
• 34:58
  Like general reviews and a lot of the time I always felt
• 35:01
  underwhelmed by the actual analysis of the game.
• 35:03
  There is usually one. Did you or did like did you the
• 35:06
  first time or like a Hon rewatch 'cause I feel like this is one
• 35:08
  of those things where if you started watching Jontron today,
• 35:11
  you probably aren't going to like Jontron.
• 35:13
  Just like if you start watching like ATV show from like the
• 35:16
  fucking 1960s, you're probably not going to be a huge fan of
• 35:20
  the TV show. OK, great.
• 35:24
  You're probably not going to be a huge fan of the TV show,
• 35:28
  right? I just feel like maybe they
• 35:30
  don't age well. It sounds like you rewatched a
• 35:32
  lot of the content to make a video, which is cool.
• 35:34
  It's a good video. I'm just saying like I feel like
• 35:37
  I don't remember having that feeling and I'm not going to go
• 35:40
  back and rewatch it because now if I rewatch it, I probably
• 35:43
  maybe would have that feeling. But that's more of a situation
• 35:48
  where, like, it just maybe Jontron just just doesn't age
• 35:53
  well. You know, that might be part of
• 35:56
  it. That might be like the entirety
• 35:58
  of it actually. Under 2 reviews in there, but it
• 36:01
  continued much more as a vessel to make as many jokes as
• 36:04
  possible about each game. But then there were.
• 36:06
  Maybe he wanted to be a comedian.
• 36:08
  Maybe he's like Ethan Klein. Oh well, fuck my ass.
• 36:10
  For times where he would review something like the Barbie game
• 36:13
  on the Game Boy Advance and it would just be this.
• 36:16
  I did. I did not.
• 36:18
  I did not add this music. I would never have thought to
• 36:22
  add this music. This is the real music.
• 36:25
  I'm never. I like the music, I think it's
• 36:27
  kind of calming. What the hell are you talking
• 36:29
  about dude? We're going to sleep again now.
• 36:31
  Like that was it just like looking at the main title screen
• 36:34
  and then moving on to the next game?
• 36:35
  I wanted to know what this game was like.
• 36:37
  Like, was there more to say about an Equestrian Barbie game
• 36:39
  for the Game Boy Advance? Probably not, but I just would
• 36:42
  have wanted to see more. And really the only way to do
• 36:44
  that is to just play it myself. Why wouldn't there be more to
• 36:47
  talk about though? I don't understand that.
• 36:49
  I like. There'll be plenty more to talk
• 36:50
  about now. Greetings, and if you don't know
• 37:23
  who I am, will you do now? This is the gaming gnome man and
• 37:26
  today. That's fucking ridiculous.
• 37:30
  But he's kind of capturing the same energy.
• 37:32
  I will. I can respect that he's
• 37:34
  capturing the same energy today. I have boom blocks.
• 37:37
  Throw, grab and blast your way to victory over 300 level set in
• 37:42
  five action-packed worlds. Take on single player or
• 37:45
  multiplayer Co-op and versus gameplay with up to four players
• 37:48
  at once. Tweak any level or build your
• 37:50
  own. It sounds like you got it, man.
• 37:52
  I feel like you're 10 or 15 years too late because this is a
• 37:54
  little too, it's a little too ghetto, you know, like it's a,
• 37:58
  it's a little, you can't really, you got to, you got to up the
• 38:00
  system a little bit. You really just got to get a
• 38:03
  better microphone. You know, that's pretty much it.
• 38:06
  You'll be. You'll be set.
• 38:07
  Then share them over. We connect 24.
• 38:09
  Yeah, try doing that now from Steven Spielberg in EA.
• 38:14
  Steven Spielberg? You mean this Steven Spielberg?
• 38:21
  What's next? A Schindler's List game that.
• 38:25
  Would be cool. That wouldn't be cool, but it
• 38:27
  could be interesting. I don't remember how well this
• 38:30
  game holds up looking at the manual inside you.
• 38:35
  Where the fuck did the game go? What the fuck is happening right
• 39:01
  now? Was this actually like a game
• 39:04
  reviewer that would do stuff like this?
• 39:06
  Is this creepy as hell? Also I just want to reiterate
• 39:09
  this is this game sucks. This is so fucking boring.
• 39:13
  This entire level where I run around and shoot things.
• 39:15
  This is so fucking boring. Why did they add this?
• 39:17
  How do people praise this game in the same way that they
• 39:20
  they're like oh God of War it's so bad.
• 39:23
  They praise this fucking pile of horseshit.
• 39:26
  It's fine. It's like mediocre.
• 39:27
  It's not right. This is like Jontron.
• 39:29
  I don't remember ever doing anything spooky like that.
• 39:31
  Dude I would have been so scared it I wouldn't even bother
• 39:33
  watching it. What was that?
• 39:37
  With that said though, the videos where he compiled a lot
• 39:39
  of games did get the most amount of views and it did accumulate
• 39:42
  to his most accomplished gaming video plug and play consoles.
• 39:45
  I don't know what it is about this video specifically, but it
• 39:48
  does just work. It just had the sauce and John
• 39:51
  was already a pretty saucy guy. A sauce I envy at times, but
• 39:56
  like that thumbnail. Why was?
• 39:58
  Spider Man's joystick Dick a joy Dick a game job.
• 40:01
  At his core, though, plug and play consoles were something
• 40:04
  everyone born between 1990 and 2005 had a pretty bootleg
• 40:08
  kinship with. I even had the Scooby-doo plug
• 40:10
  and play that John showed in the video and the Namco plug and
• 40:14
  play that John showed in his video and.
• 40:17
  Those are cool though. I feel like that's just what but
• 40:19
  that's what things are becoming nowadays, which is so funny.
• 40:22
  Plug and plays, except it's like, hey, you want to buy like
• 40:24
  a emulator that can play like PlayStation one games and
• 40:28
  earlier and just play it in your hand for 50 bucks on the TikTok
• 40:31
  shop. But you could do that or you
• 40:33
  could just download all that stuff for free.
• 40:35
  Emulating games is free. I think it's illegal, but that's
• 40:41
  why you definitely should not do it guys.
• 40:43
  I don't know where either of those win.
• 40:44
  I say all this but the plug and play consoles that he talks
• 40:46
  about in the thumbnail are only there for the 1st 4 minutes of
• 40:49
  the video and even then you got the intro taken up like a minute
• 40:52
  of that. I think plug and play consoles
• 40:53
  was able to be as high quality as it was because John was just
• 40:57
  able to go through so many different games and out of those
• 40:59
  hundreds of games he was able to filter out just a handful that
• 41:02
  he could actually talk about. Compared to something like Home
• 41:04
  Alone where he would have to acknowledge every single game
• 41:07
  even if he had nothing to talk about.
• 41:09
  What can I say, it seemed like John was making higher quality
• 41:11
  content. He got more views and money
• 41:13
  because of it, and in return he was able.
• 41:14
  To Was he supposed to play every single game?
• 41:15
  That'd be kind of crazy. Make even higher quality
• 41:17
  content. John wasn't the first YouTube to
• 41:19
  take sponsors, but he is one of the first Youtubers I can think
• 41:23
  of that uses the modern approach the sponsors, which is just the
• 41:26
  standard this video is sponsored by.
• 41:29
  And I remember absolutely that John was getting some backlash
• 41:32
  over this. John what doing sponsors?
• 41:34
  Really? Why do people feel like he was
• 41:37
  selling out or something? Tron is free to watch, but
• 41:40
  here's a list of things that aren't free food.
• 41:43
  Which in hindsight is crazy. He's not wrong about that.
• 41:45
  I got to give him credit for that.
• 41:46
  That's not That is a factual statement.
• 41:47
  That someone got pushed back for taking sponsors knowing it's
• 41:50
  more rare now to see someone not take a sponsor for their videos.
• 41:53
  Dude. Yeah, I mean, like, listen, I
• 41:55
  don't take sponsors, but it's only because I'm a really good
• 41:57
  guy and I'm not going to sell out.
• 42:00
  And also nobody offers them to me.
• 42:02
  So makes it a little tough to take a sponsor, but I probably
• 42:07
  wouldn't accept the most sponsorships honestly.
• 42:10
  Maybe for, you know, maybe for some stuff, cigarettes, I don't
• 42:22
  know. Do not interpret that as a
• 42:23
  humble Prag, but this was money to help Jontron produce videos
• 42:26
  for his channel and you could see that in the quality of his
• 42:29
  channel. Like what other channel was
• 42:31
  looking like this in 2014 I don't fucking know.
• 42:34
  Now Jontron at the time was a part of Maker Studios which was
• 42:36
  a multi channel network which helped John produce his videos.
• 42:39
  But in 2014 Maker Studios was bought by the Walt Disney
• 42:43
  Company for half a billion dollars.
• 42:45
  To put that into perspective, that is merely an eighth of the
• 42:48
  money they used to buy Star Wars, which speaking, you know,
• 42:51
  by 2014, Disney was teasing a new Star Wars movie coming out,
• 42:55
  The Force Awakens, and in order to.
• 42:57
  You know, here's my thing. Can we talk about the Force
• 43:01
  awakens? I feel like we got so fucking
• 43:03
  everybody got so anti woke on those games that we never really
• 43:06
  got like the a meaningful criticism.
• 43:08
  I mean, they kind of sucked the seven and was OK, but the rest
• 43:12
  of them just constantly didn't really have a kind of, you know,
• 43:14
  a congruent storyline. But I mean, you know, the
• 43:17
  prequels were better only for the fact that, like, it kind of
• 43:21
  made sense. I mean, the regular games was
• 43:23
  about overthrowing an oppressive government, not political at
• 43:27
  all. Strange to have MAGA Star Wars
• 43:31
  fans, though. The prequel was about the
• 43:34
  destruction of like a democracy. Feels like feels like feels like
• 43:41
  today. But then the this, the, the,
• 43:44
  this the sequel trilogy was the same as the regular trilogy,
• 43:50
  right? Like it was just about
• 43:51
  overthrowing an oppressive government again.
• 43:53
  But like they overthrew the oppressive government.
• 43:55
  I think it would have been so much cooler to be like, hey,
• 43:58
  let's let's create a new government.
• 44:01
  It might not have been as entertaining, but I mean, like
• 44:06
  we had the stable government. We had the overthrow of that
• 44:09
  government or did the stroudfall of that stable government.
• 44:13
  We had a stable government and the downfall of it in the
• 44:15
  prequels, the overthrowing of, you know, unimpressive force in
• 44:19
  the you know, originals, and now it's time to establish a new
• 44:23
  thing. It's not sexy, but I feel like
• 44:25
  that would have made so much more sense and there's something
• 44:27
  could have been something interesting to look at, but
• 44:29
  somehow the empire was like more powerful in the pre the sequel
• 44:32
  trilogy's. I don't really get it.
• 44:35
  It doesn't make any sense. I feel like they really kind of,
• 44:39
  I feel like they threw away something that could have
• 44:42
  potentially been like so interesting and good just for
• 44:45
  some, like just for like just to be lazy.
• 44:47
  I think it was just lazy at this to be honest with you honestly.
• 44:51
  To generate hype for this new movie, they decided to do tie
• 44:54
  insurance with Youtubers. On the surface, Starrcade can
• 44:57
  come off as a black sheep compared to Jontron's other
• 44:59
  videos. By that I just mean that Jon
• 45:01
  looked scared. Maybe he was right to be
• 45:03
  nervous. Disney demanded about 32
• 45:05
  episodes of a series that had him review every single Star
• 45:08
  Wars game ever made. And.
• 45:10
  Wow, that's ambitious. Until Starrcade was finished,
• 45:12
  Jon could not work on Jontron videos.
• 45:15
  The Starcade that we got was only 9 episodes, but it was way
• 45:18
  more manageable for John to make.
• 45:20
  Starcade notably featured a winery.
• 45:22
  Is that tobuscus? Two of us like Chris O'Neill,
• 45:24
  Zach Hadle, Markiplier and Ross O'donovan.
• 45:26
  In hindsight, this cast keeps getting more and more star
• 45:29
  power. Zach and Ross created TV shows
• 45:31
  and Markiplier is a fucking director now with a $50 million
• 45:34
  movie to his name, Starcade. I still haven't seen it.
• 45:37
  Is it any good? I don't know.
• 45:39
  A more polished approach from the Jontron apartment that we're
• 45:42
  used to at this point. And from the looks of it, I
• 45:44
  think John really liked being in the studio for these videos
• 45:47
  because by the time you return back to regular Jontron episodes
• 45:50
  we would be in a full on studio. More on that later.
• 45:52
  Looking back at Starrcade, it was as good as you make it out
• 45:55
  to be. A pessimistic viewpoint might
• 45:57
  look at it as a growing pain John went through and ordered
• 45:59
  the further up the quality on his main series.
• 46:01
  And some people didn't want that.
• 46:03
  They wanted him to be grounded. But at its best, though, this
• 46:05
  was a love letter to Star Wars and all of the weird shit that
• 46:08
  it could make. I think what a lot of the
• 46:10
  appreciation for this series weighs on how much you
• 46:12
  appreciate Star Wars. I like some of the movies.
• 46:16
  I like Starcade some. I like the movies.
• 46:19
  It's hard to man. The new trilogy just fucked it
• 46:22
  up for me. I don't know.
• 46:22
  I think that because it was again, it was just like not good
• 46:27
  in my opinion at least, I guess. Right.
• 46:29
  But it's just, I'm like one of those people, I guess.
• 46:32
  I'm like, I'm really only a loyalist stuff that's good.
• 46:36
  So like Game of Thrones, I cannot watch any of the new
• 46:40
  stuff that they made. And it sounds like it's great,
• 46:42
  like House of the Dragon and whatever, it's probably
• 46:45
  excellent. But the last season, maybe the
• 46:47
  last couple seasons, but it was so bad because the like the
• 46:52
  directors of the show wanted to go move on to do Disney stuff.
• 46:55
  They rushed it to death. It was so bad.
• 46:57
  Like I just hate the show now. Like I've rewatched it before
• 47:01
  and it's like, wow, it's incredible.
• 47:02
  It's a little, it's incredible. It's like honestly an incredible
• 47:05
  watch. But then it's like, oh, wait,
• 47:07
  this is so bad. This is like it becomes so bad
• 47:12
  because of the ending that it's like, I can't watch this
• 47:14
  anymore. And I really just wish they
• 47:15
  would fucking remake it, man. Like you guys can you guys can
• 47:19
  do that. You guys can remake this, this
• 47:21
  show. Not even we can make the whole
• 47:22
  thing. Like you guys can make a movie.
• 47:23
  You guys can redo the other episodes.
• 47:25
  We got AI now, all right. The only the only proper usage
• 47:28
  of AI would be to remake the last couple seasons of Game of
• 47:31
  Thrones in my opinion. Of course, you know what I mean.
• 47:34
  I don't know, that's something to think about.
• 47:37
  Regardless, the. It's just fucking sucks though.
• 47:38
  It really is fucking ass. Now he had Aaron as Darth Vader.
• 47:43
  Oh my God, the gang grubs don't hate each other.
• 47:46
  I can have a life again. Just kidding, I'm talking about
• 47:49
  Jontron. I think the biggest thing people
• 47:51
  point out in Starcade though is as the episodes progressed they
• 47:54
  eventually got better. Jon felt way more comfortable in
• 47:57
  front of the Starcade setting. I think it took a few episodes
• 48:00
  and a few months before Jon got the major studio heebie jeebies
• 48:04
  out of him, and once that was gone you got a really enjoyable
• 48:06
  miniseries out of him. After Starcade, Jon would go
• 48:09
  back to his main channel and start making main videos again.
• 48:12
  You know, I haven't seen Andor. I heard it was really good.
• 48:15
  I just can't watch it, so I don't.
• 48:19
  Star Wars kind of. Also, this is going to be a
• 48:22
  spicy take. Mandalorian just not good from
• 48:24
  the start. I remember watching the first
• 48:26
  episode and I was just like, oh, this doesn't make sense.
• 48:29
  Oh, this doesn't make sense. Oh, this doesn't make sense.
• 48:31
  Oh, nothing made sense. You know, maybe if people yell
• 48:34
  at me and complain enough about my take on this, I'll, I'll,
• 48:39
  I'll watch something. I'll watch it with my wife or
• 48:41
  something. Oh, OK.
• 48:42
  Well, my balls just got licked. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll, maybe
• 48:45
  I'll do a review of it on the Robin Dan channel.
• 48:47
  I don't know. And yeah, but something was a
• 48:50
  little different. His videos were about movies and
• 48:53
  not games. Now considering John started out
• 48:55
  as a gaming channel and focused on primarily games being a well.
• 48:59
  It makes sense that he would want to make a little bit of a
• 49:00
  change, you know, There's nothing wrong with wanting to
• 49:03
  change some of your stuff. Part of the normal boots
• 49:05
  collective. He felt more distant from that
• 49:07
  more than usual. And this is probably where you
• 49:10
  get the biggest divide of Jontron fans.
• 49:12
  You have the collective of people who appreciate the normal
• 49:15
  boots era the most and then everyone else.
• 49:17
  Now rudimentary speaking, it makes sense.
• 49:19
  People came for the games, they wanted to watch games.
• 49:22
  I like it more when Jon talks about movies I think.
• 49:24
  It's more interesting when somebody talks about something
• 49:26
  that they're interested in, you know?
• 49:28
  So if like he's moving, oh fuck my balls.
• 49:29
  If he's, if he's moving on from, if he's moving on, Jesus Christ,
• 49:35
  if he's moving on from games, I think that could be a good
• 49:37
  thing. You know this.
• 49:38
  Is the way he structured his show at this point it was about
• 49:41
  bits and when you review a short blip games it could be a lot
• 49:44
  more difficult to find things to point and laugh at.
• 49:46
  It's why he usually leaned towards the bootleg games as
• 49:48
  they tended to be much more absurd.
• 49:50
  And I do think those are much more special, deep down to my
• 49:52
  heart. And when you look at, I mean,
• 49:53
  how many old games can you really complain about, you know?
• 49:56
  Something like food games? It's still a great video but I
• 49:59
  feel like the bits are clashing with the actual talking of the
• 50:02
  games. Like the gags.
• 50:03
  The beginning and the end of the first video were longer than his
• 50:06
  review of Yoshinoya, whereas John had a lot more margin in a
• 50:08
  movie review. His bits could be longer but
• 50:10
  they had the cohesion of a singular property.
• 50:13
  Another notable thing is that he was on a set which that was
• 50:15
  another thing where it's like if you're a new viewer you might
• 50:18
  look at it and say hey that's kind of cool, but if you're an
• 50:20
  older fan you might not like the set as much.
• 50:22
  It could just come off as too much and I completely understand
• 50:25
  why. The camera work in his new set
• 50:27
  had the function like a multi camera sitcom where although he
• 50:29
  was talking to you, he couldn't show the back of the couch
• 50:32
  without breaking the immersion of his room, which was different
• 50:35
  from how dynamic his apartment felt.
• 50:36
  And I like that about the apartment more.
• 50:38
  It's a similar quality that I feel about the AVG in.
• 50:41
  There's just something about these gaming reviews and being
• 50:43
  in a room specifically that just feels so much more immersive.
• 50:47
  I guess I'll be, I'll tell you one thing.
• 50:48
  I like the angry video Game Nerd stuff at this point.
• 50:53
  And I, I feel like I felt somewhat similar back then.
• 50:56
  I, I skip it all. I skip all that gay ash.
• 51:00
  I skip all this stuff that's like, I don't know, all the, all
• 51:04
  the theatre shit. I skip it.
• 51:06
  I, I can't, I can't do it. It's too fucking cringe, you
• 51:08
  know, I mean, it's just me and I'll, I'm not saying they should
• 51:10
  change it. I mean, who the fuck am I?
• 51:13
  I'm just saying I don't resonate with it.
• 51:15
  I find it fucking, it makes me cringe out a little bit too
• 51:19
  much. But maybe that's my problem.
• 51:21
  Maybe that's why I didn't take the risks I should have taken
• 51:23
  when I was younger, because I was too afraid what other people
• 51:25
  thought. You know, maybe everybody who
• 51:28
  finds people cringe like the angry video game nerds, you
• 51:32
  know, theater nerd stuff. Maybe maybe that's why you're
• 51:37
  not as successful as you could have been if only you weren't a
• 51:40
  slave to what people thought about you.
• 51:41
  You maybe you'd be a little happier, a little healthier.
• 51:44
  Maybe you would have dated that £350 girl that sucked a good
• 51:48
  Dick and made really good food, that loved you a lot, but you
• 51:51
  were too self-conscious. You know what I mean?
• 51:55
  You know, maybe you would have, maybe you would have wiped up
• 51:58
  that boy wife FM boy boy wife that would have, they said that
• 52:02
  they would have, they would throw at you and, you know,
• 52:07
  sniff your feet. I don't know.
• 52:10
  I don't know. You know, it's just a lot of
• 52:12
  that's a lot of philosophical stuff for you all to think
• 52:14
  about. Yeah, dude, you know what else?
• 52:17
  For all jokes, I would skip mother, mother fucker mic or
• 52:20
  whatever. I don't know, not bad, I just
• 52:22
  didn't like him much. He's not.
• 52:24
  It's just person, it's opinions based.
• 52:27
  Being able to see the entire room and be in the entire room
• 52:29
  just made these reviews. Feel.
• 52:30
  What are you wedding me for? Don't fucking don't say that.
• 52:32
  So much more warm. Also, for some reason it took.
• 52:35
  Him I'm making an advanced level joke I saw.
• 52:38
  While to figure out the color grading in the studio like his a
• 52:41
  talking cat video. Why is the color grading so
• 52:44
  depressing? You're talking about a fucking
• 52:46
  cat. I'm.
• 52:47
  Going to be real with you, I never would have ever given a
• 52:49
  singular fuck about color grading inside of a Jontron
• 52:52
  show. It's interesting that that's
• 52:54
  what the is interesting to me. I guess that's just like a very
• 53:01
  theatre nerd observation of a Jontron.
• 53:05
  This time there were also these shorter sponsored videos that I
• 53:08
  feel like I have to mention. Companies would just throw an
• 53:10
  amount of money at John, an amount of money I don't even
• 53:13
  want to know the number of. I do John, how much did they
• 53:15
  give you to do their fuck ass games?
• 53:17
  Play. How many subscribers did he have
• 53:19
  then making an entire dedicated video?
• 53:22
  How? How much money would that be?
• 53:23
  It's fucking Ubisoft. But yeah, some videos he would
• 53:26
  just play games like Guns of Icarus and Far Cry Primal.
• 53:29
  A game then I completely forgot existed.
• 53:31
  And if not for this video it very well could have been lost a
• 53:34
  time and again. I can imagine an.
• 53:36
  I've never played any Far Cry games.
• 53:37
  How you guys think about? That older fan of John looking
• 53:40
  at these videos and feeling disconnected, it was very clear
• 53:43
  John had. It's funny because I feel like
• 53:45
  nowadays I get it and sometimes you got to do stuff for money.
• 53:48
  As long as you don't give a dishonest review, I think it's
• 53:49
  totally fun to do something like that.
• 53:51
  It could be entertaining. Fuck it man.
• 53:53
  Different direction than what he initially created.
• 53:55
  As long as you're not some kind of weird white supremacist, I
• 53:57
  think it's totally fine. It did for Normal Boots, but I
• 54:00
  do think there was one more video that served as a proper
• 54:04
  send off to this era. On the Banjo Kazooie charity
• 54:07
  fundraiser stream, John claimed that if the stream got $25,000
• 54:11
  in donations, he would do a cover.
• 54:14
  A full cover of Katy Perry's firework, you know.
• 54:17
  Wow, why? Why would that?
• 54:19
  That sounds like he wants to do that really bad, but he needs an
• 54:22
  excuse. So it's like, yeah, I got I'll,
• 54:24
  I'll do this really cringe thing if you make me, you know.
• 54:26
  Or the one he did at the end of his Dino City video.
• 54:29
  And that's exactly what happened.
• 54:30
  They got the money, he did the song.
• 54:32
  It also featured an entire collaboration of animators that
• 54:35
  all animated different little Johns.
• 54:38
  Oh cool. And it does feel like the
• 54:40
  accumulation of Jon's fan base at this point so far in his
• 54:43
  career. I also think I've
• 54:45
  unintentionally listened to this version of Firework more than
• 54:48
  Katy Perry's version, but. I wouldn't have admitted that,
• 54:50
  but God bless Kate Cat. Katy Perry is a is a banger for
• 54:54
  the most part. It was just it happened like
• 54:57
  going back to some of these animators like Ferg.
• 54:59
  Who the fuck is Ferg? Ferg.
• 55:00
  The fuck is Ferg? Are you watching this?
• 55:03
  What's Fergalicious? Yeah.
• 55:04
  How did you animate Jon's run with a bulge?
• 55:07
  Why would you do? Well, I don't think it's with a
• 55:08
  bulge he that is just, it's like the bulge, you know?
• 55:12
  Do that. Why would you animate his bulge
• 55:13
  and then have that bulge thrust in the air with these why not
• 55:16
  multi animator projects? It's so fascinating to see how
• 55:19
  many of these guys interpret Jontron.
• 55:21
  Like why is this Jontron skinny? Why is this Jontron so fat?
• 55:24
  Or how you see multiple people have the same idea of Jon riding
• 55:27
  on jocks or just seeing cat fat's animation completely blow
• 55:30
  everything else out of the fucking water.
• 55:33
  Like that little snippet. It still leaves me in all every
• 55:35
  time I see it. So I went to see what Catfat was
• 55:38
  doing now and he retired from animating, which is sad to see.
• 55:41
  Why? What is he doing now?
• 55:42
  Did the animating not like pay enough money or something?
• 55:44
  Recognize some animators from the gang Grumps animator that
• 55:47
  they would put on their channel and I wanted to see what they
• 55:49
  were doing like Steve Dorian, so I looked at his channel and that
• 55:54
  that he he died it was a. Wow, what the fuck?
• 55:57
  I was not expecting that. COVID related illness It also
• 56:00
  doesn't help. That's really bad foreshadowing.
• 56:02
  Like really fucking bad. Why did John Tron die?
• 56:05
  What the fuck's happening? So what the fuck am I supposed
• 56:08
  to do in this game? This is so fucking stupid.
• 56:10
  I'm scared I and I'm sorry and I'm I'm also, I'm really scared.
• 56:13
  But it's nice to see these animators live on and display
• 56:16
  their talent and it's nice to see John display his talent.
• 56:19
  Even though this was strictly a video for the community, it's
• 56:21
  his third most viewed video with 37 million views.
• 56:24
  People just kept re listening to Jontron's firework cover and
• 56:27
  would do. You make any money on that or is
• 56:29
  that illegal? Is it illegal for him to make
• 56:32
  money on that? I don't know.
• 56:33
  It's not illegal. But you know what?
• 56:35
  I. Mean time to move on to a new
• 56:36
  Jontron. Specifically, there were new
• 56:38
  Youtubers he was collaborating with like.
• 56:40
  Ethan Clyde, dude. Oh fuck.
• 56:42
  H3 HD Productions. Yeah, Captain Israel, right?
• 56:47
  Oh fuck my ass. Ethan and Heila Klein would
• 56:51
  appear in his videos, Heila as a producer and Ethan as a guy who
• 56:54
  would show up sometimes. Their channel featured
• 56:56
  commentary videos about what seemed like anything and
• 56:59
  everything, and gradually you could see the.
• 57:00
  Style. That's so cool all.
• 57:02
  The content influenced John. Why should he just talk about
• 57:04
  video games and movies? Disney Bootlegs was a great
• 57:07
  video, but it would be John's last gaming video to this date.
• 57:10
  But if this was the last gaming video John was going to make, I
• 57:13
  feel like it was also the most well constructed.
• 57:15
  All of the games he talked about I felt immersed in the games.
• 57:18
  I felt like I was playing the games with him, even the ugly
• 57:21
  ass Elsa games. He spent actually way too much
• 57:24
  time on those because they made me really uncomfortable.
• 57:27
  But I think the new stuff he was doing had a liberation to it
• 57:29
  that I wasn't getting from anything else.
• 57:31
  What about Jon looking at weird drunk PSA's?
• 57:33
  That's one of my favorite Jontron videos and.
• 57:35
  Why, what's What is it that really gets you there?
• 57:38
  Particularly this moment in Ghoul where Jon does this moment
• 57:41
  and it just, it hits the right synapses in my brain.
• 57:44
  Well, there's still second left. This let me check for ghoul.
• 57:47
  No ghoul, no ghoul on this. This one is false advertising.
• 57:50
  Why does that work so well? I don't know, but it just does.
• 57:53
  All in all, the pacing of a video like this just hit the
• 57:55
  right parts of my brain. Just a punchy, entertaining
• 57:58
  video. The last video.
• 58:00
  Watching this video made me realize that I was never as much
• 58:02
  of A Jontron guy as I thought. I just remember watching some of
• 58:05
  the stuff and thinking it was good.
• 58:06
  But this guy is fucking. This is the Jontron guy.
• 58:10
  I mean, he fucking blows me out of the water here.
• 58:12
  He would upload in 2016 was Christmas with the cranks.
• 58:17
  I love cranking it. After this video, John would
• 58:21
  take another extended break that would take multiple months.
• 58:23
  But what was John doing around this time?
• 58:26
  But seriously, you know, it is it is that similar straw man of
• 58:28
  like, you know, the Jews this the Jews that it's like the
• 58:32
  white man this the white man that it's like then explain like
• 58:35
  a Jesus. Christ, it's just fucking in
• 58:37
  March of 2017, John. What the hell was that about,
• 58:40
  man? What is this guy, a white
• 58:41
  supremacist? No way.
• 58:42
  John would go on an online debate with a streamer named
• 58:45
  Destiny and just give me a minute.
• 58:48
  Just. When people, you know, let's say
• 58:50
  the French see an influx of Islamic migrants who come in and
• 58:55
  say you don't give us good enough handouts.
• 58:57
  It it the, the stats don't back you up on I mean, this word
• 59:01
  racist, this word racist. What does it mean?
• 59:03
  Come. Outside, throw that fucking
• 59:05
  body. Come downstairs and throw that
• 59:07
  block, OK? OK pretty sure Jontron's like
• 59:10
  from Iran too, so it makes it even funnier that he did this
• 59:13
  weird white supremacist shit. In March of 2017, Jontron would
• 59:18
  go on an online debate with a streamer named Destiny.
• 59:20
  What was your first like debate? It was against the YouTube
• 59:23
  Jontron. On the stream Jon made a series
• 59:27
  of statements that made him appear anti immigration.
• 59:30
  This caused a lot of outrage from a lot of news out.
• 59:33
  Well, I think the problem is is that the reason I made him feel
• 59:35
  appear that way is because he was very even though he was a
• 59:39
  literal immigrant from Iran. I'm pretty sure it is Iran.
• 59:42
  Let's put The average Jontron fan did not really know what was
• 59:45
  going on. Not to mention, news outlets are
• 59:48
  known for blowing things a little out of proportion,
• 59:50
  especially during a time when publications like BuzzFeed were
• 59:53
  notorious. It wasn't really that out of
• 59:55
  proportion. Jontron was a it's a weird white
• 59:58
  supremacist. I remember watching it.
• 59:59
  It's for creating artificial outrage.
• 1:00:01
  Is it Persian? I thought it was Iranian.
• 1:00:04
  Maybe I got Iran on the brain. Maybe I should start running.
• 1:00:08
  The joke is I'm fat and Iran sounds like Iran.
• 1:00:12
  I should have. I saw I have to say Iran.
• 1:00:15
  The hell says Iran? Dude?
• 1:00:16
  What am I, some kind of fucking white cock?
• 1:00:20
  What? Against broad demographics, IE
• 1:00:24
  white males, straight white males, you don't suck Dick.
• 1:00:28
  Why do you need a special garment to hold your boobs?
• 1:00:31
  You don't see us get a special garment to hold our.
• 1:00:33
  Balls. I got to do, man.
• 1:00:35
  I get some. I get, I get ball supporting
• 1:00:38
  boxers. Prisons are Iranian, you know,
• 1:00:43
  It's so interesting, the Middle East and I don't care.
• 1:00:47
  Thank you so much. Jontron fans, including myself,
• 1:00:50
  thought these publications were just making a quick buck and Jon
• 1:00:52
  probably didn't do anything that wrong.
• 1:00:54
  The thing is, is that this debate is widely viewed as drama
• 1:00:57
  to a lot of people, and whenever you do talk about Jontron in a
• 1:01:01
  Jontron video, people want you to talk about this Destiny
• 1:01:04
  debate. When I made a video about.
• 1:01:05
  Well, it kind of makes sense. I feel like it's a pretty big
• 1:01:07
  part of his life here. About normal Boots, I chose not
• 1:01:10
  to talk about the Destiny debate because I just didn't want to
• 1:01:13
  talk about it. I haven't watched the Destiny
• 1:01:15
  debate because I didn't want to watch it.
• 1:01:17
  I wanted to talk about. I think you probably should
• 1:01:20
  though. About the Jontron videos I did
• 1:01:22
  watch. The main reason being I don't
• 1:01:24
  want to sit through a 2 hour debate, but deep.
• 1:01:26
  It's pretty entertaining. Down.
• 1:01:27
  I knew what the truth was, I just didn't want to hear it.
• 1:01:30
  If Jon really was saying hateful stuff, then it was going to
• 1:01:33
  permanently damage my perception of him.
• 1:01:36
  And if I could just keep the illusion that the funny Internet
• 1:01:39
  man was the funny Internet man. Besides, you have a moral
• 1:01:41
  compass, you know racism is bad. Besides.
• 1:01:44
  Wait, what? I mean how racist really was
• 1:01:47
  John? The only way John could have
• 1:01:51
  been more racist in this debate is if he just said the N word.
• 1:01:54
  Being Irish. Could have been pretty based.
• 1:01:56
  Just kidding, it'll be bad. Or people not liking the Irish
• 1:01:59
  or people not liking the Italians doesn't make them not
• 1:02:03
  white, it just makes them not like I had.
• 1:02:04
  Perhaps they had some traits that were undesirable.
• 1:02:07
  I hear the Italian mafia made the rounds.
• 1:02:09
  Listen, I know, I said. Based on John.
• 1:02:13
  Just kidding, obviously. Wasn't the best at critical game
• 1:02:16
  reviews but I didn't know this would seep over into critical
• 1:02:18
  race theory like. Jeez, that's pretty good.
• 1:02:21
  That's a pretty good joke. Says John.
• 1:02:23
  I knew you were in theater, I just didn't know you were
• 1:02:25
  playing Jared #10 John Area and Jafari more like, what the fuck,
• 1:02:29
  John? So what is this debate actually
• 1:02:32
  about? Well, that's the first issue.
• 1:02:35
  There's no definitive argument from John.
• 1:02:37
  The clearest statement I could get was.
• 1:02:39
  I'm simply arguing that it's clear that whites are not
• 1:02:42
  allowed to speak up against their demographic oblivion.
• 1:02:48
  I mean, they're not being killed, man, but they're being
• 1:02:51
  displaced. Well, they're getting displaced
• 1:02:52
  too. I have no idea the best way I
• 1:02:54
  can well. It's because there's more brown
• 1:02:55
  people coming to America and stuff.
• 1:03:01
  That's it. I just don't really know why
• 1:03:03
  people care in America. Like here's here's the thing.
• 1:03:08
  If you're in some kind of other country that's like white, like
• 1:03:12
  Poland or something and you're like, Oh well, I guess Polish
• 1:03:15
  people are being displaced. Not even white people, but
• 1:03:17
  Polish people are being displaced.
• 1:03:19
  Whatever. I think I could be.
• 1:03:20
  I think I could just not give a fuck.
• 1:03:23
  Whatever. Like that's cool, I guess you,
• 1:03:25
  you do you. But this is America.
• 1:03:27
  We were founded on a not being white and we were founded on
• 1:03:30
  like heavy immigration. This is not this is not Poland
• 1:03:36
  or Italy or whatever other fucking shit ass country.
• 1:03:41
  I don't care about it. This is America and like, that's
• 1:03:46
  what's made of such a powerful country.
• 1:03:48
  So when people complain about that kind of shit, I'm just
• 1:03:50
  like, oh, I don't care because this is not meaningful to me.
• 1:03:52
  And it's always like, oh, it's always like fucking Italian
• 1:03:54
  people or Irish people in America that complain about this
• 1:03:57
  shit. And it's like, OK, like go back
• 1:04:00
  to your country. I I like this is your country.
• 1:04:04
  But if you're going to play this game where you come over here
• 1:04:06
  and you're like, oh, I want to change everything that has made
• 1:04:08
  this country great because I'm an upset white boy and I'm a
• 1:04:12
  bitch. Like, all right, Like what am I
• 1:04:16
  supposed to? How do you interact with some
• 1:04:19
  dumb ass fucking shit like that? It's just impossible to.
• 1:04:21
  Those people are stupid as fuck. Can summarize this debate is
• 1:04:24
  that Jontron conflates immigration with colonialism,
• 1:04:28
  yet he undermines the actual colonialism of America.
• 1:04:31
  In this debate, John targets African Americans, Muslims,
• 1:04:35
  Mexicans, Irish, Italians, communists, like half of Europe.
• 1:04:39
  Now, obviously the big bad racism is the big bad racism,
• 1:04:42
  but Oh my God. Yeah, it's all in America.
• 1:04:44
  True. John is so fucking annoying in
• 1:04:47
  this video. He could have been arguing about
• 1:04:49
  bread and I would have hated him.
• 1:04:51
  This is the problem when you get condescending, people say fuck
• 1:04:54
  you, I don't want to listen and that's why you're seeing this
• 1:04:55
  big push back. I didn't start it.
• 1:04:57
  I feel like people like you, when they're talking about this,
• 1:04:59
  they just pretend they get you, gaslight you pretend that the
• 1:05:02
  last four to eight years didn't fucking.
• 1:05:04
  Happen. I'm not gaslighting your side.
• 1:05:06
  Is the definition of to. Give you an idea of how fucking
• 1:05:08
  stupid this debate is. At one point, John starts naming
• 1:05:11
  5 African countries to prove that he actually knows those
• 1:05:14
  things about Africa. I don't.
• 1:05:16
  I couldn't. I couldn't.
• 1:05:19
  Nigeria. Is that in Africa?
• 1:05:23
  Haiti. Yeah, it is.
• 1:05:29
  West Africa. I got it.
• 1:05:30
  That's two. There's one that's spelled and I
• 1:05:34
  can't say it because I might sound like a slur.
• 1:05:36
  Can. You name five countries in
• 1:05:37
  Africa. Yeah, of course I can name five
• 1:05:40
  countries in Africa, South Africa, Ethiopia.
• 1:05:43
  Is South Africa a country? Is South Africa a country?
• 1:05:53
  I didn't even know that dude. Zimbabwe.
• 1:05:58
  Nigeria, Zaire. After 30 minutes it literally
• 1:06:01
  just keeps looping over and over again, John says.
• 1:06:04
  I don't understand why it's bad for white people to resist their
• 1:06:07
  own demographic replacement. John starts talking about a
• 1:06:10
  different minority group, then talks about a different European
• 1:06:13
  country. Like seriously, UK, France,
• 1:06:15
  Germany, Slovenia, take your. Why are you guys?
• 1:06:17
  Why are you guys saying it was that?
• 1:06:18
  Is that fucking? Why are you making fun of me in
• 1:06:20
  South Africa? It's the South of Africa.
• 1:06:22
  That's like saying South America is a country.
• 1:06:24
  It's not. It's a fucking continent.
• 1:06:26
  What are we talking about? Why was this?
• 1:06:27
  Why is this cringe, dude? Why is this cringe?
• 1:06:30
  None of you even knew this anyway.
• 1:06:31
  You guys are Larping as if you know about all these other
• 1:06:33
  countries. Fuck you, dude.
• 1:06:35
  Shut up, dude. Yeah, South Africa is a whole
• 1:06:37
  apartheid. Yeah, but I thought that it was
• 1:06:39
  just like the South of Africa, bro.
• 1:06:41
  You know, like South America. Although we do call it a United
• 1:06:46
  States of America. That could also be confusing as
• 1:06:48
  well. But North America is not a
• 1:06:50
  fucking country. It's a continent, dude.
• 1:06:54
  The hell are you talking about? Everyone knows S Africans.
• 1:06:58
  No you don't, dude. The South Korea country, that's
• 1:07:00
  different. Those people are like white.
• 1:07:02
  So I I know what they are. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:09
  So like, I know what they are, you know?
• 1:07:12
  Fucking pigs. So what if whites?
• 1:07:13
  Became the minority, but most brown people assimilated to the
• 1:07:16
  culture. Would that be OK then?
• 1:07:17
  Yeah, but if they assimilated, they would enter the gene pool
• 1:07:20
  eventually and would just, you know, for Christ's sake, it says
• 1:07:24
  Hitler right here. Then every time destiny offers
• 1:07:27
  any semblance of a counter, John.
• 1:07:28
  You didn't know. You didn't know.
• 1:07:29
  Stop. Stop mocking me dude.
• 1:07:31
  I'm just goes you just want to argue or the stats don't back
• 1:07:35
  you up. You're, you're saying, I mean,
• 1:07:37
  this is just ridiculous that they, they're going to sentence.
• 1:07:43
  I just, I don't subscribe to that.
• 1:07:46
  But I mean that. Like does he not just want any
• 1:07:50
  resistance towards his opinions? Is this how political?
• 1:07:54
  He's a white supremacist. Streamers are able to debate for
• 1:07:56
  like 2 fucking hours on a Hassan stream.
• 1:07:58
  But the worst thing of all is that this debate introduced me
• 1:08:01
  to Destiny. Nobody should have to know who
• 1:08:03
  Destiny is. Destiny did a piss poor job at
• 1:08:06
  countering John and keeps allowing him to suck.
• 1:08:08
  I don't think that's true. I'm watching it.
• 1:08:10
  Go around over and over again this is a bottom 10 video ever.
• 1:08:14
  This and the woman I. Don't think it was that not bad
• 1:08:17
  from what I remember, I just think that the destiny hates all
• 1:08:19
  like high right out because it's still not looked out too greatly
• 1:08:25
  so. Getting hit by the train.
• 1:08:26
  By the way, a lot of these people come to make money, send
• 1:08:28
  it back, and then go back. Based.
• 1:08:31
  They don't come to go back. They do send money back, but
• 1:08:32
  they don't want to go back. That's just true.
• 1:08:34
  So they have no long term investment in this country, even
• 1:08:37
  though you know, apparently. What you have effectively
• 1:08:39
  described here is trading that. That's trading.
• 1:08:42
  And well, no, he doesn't start trading.
• 1:08:44
  I think there's this. I don't know what the statistic
• 1:08:45
  is. It might be like 10 or 20% of
• 1:08:47
  the money that like immigrants make, they send back to their
• 1:08:49
  families of the other country. I don't care.
• 1:08:52
  I literally don't give a shit. It's not really trading.
• 1:08:54
  It's just giving. It's just giving money to your
• 1:08:57
  family. He just happened to not live in
• 1:08:59
  America, so. Every time something political
• 1:09:02
  is brought up around him, you can just feel his body tense up
• 1:09:04
  and he just goes into this autopilot of people don't want
• 1:09:07
  to have a real conversation about these things.
• 1:09:09
  And it's also hypocritical to keep saying you want to have an
• 1:09:11
  honest conversation about race if you don't actually want to
• 1:09:14
  have an honest conversation about race.
• 1:09:16
  People like me are supposed to listen to people like you
• 1:09:19
  chatter on about this. This oppression in America.
• 1:09:22
  It doesn't exist, dude. It doesn't exist.
• 1:09:24
  What are you talking? About, he'll say talking points
• 1:09:26
  with. That is funny though.
• 1:09:27
  They'll say oppression in America doesn't exist, and then
• 1:09:29
  they will talk about how white people are actually oppressed
• 1:09:31
  because their demographic is being shifted.
• 1:09:32
  Without backing them up. But he believes in them.
• 1:09:35
  But whenever someone else brings up an article or source, he
• 1:09:38
  immediately rejects it. And I really do mean
• 1:09:40
  immediately. Wealthy blacks also commit more
• 1:09:43
  crime than poor whites. That's not true at all.
• 1:09:46
  That's a fact. That's not true.
• 1:09:47
  Jon. Jon, what are you talking about?
• 1:09:48
  Wait. What?
• 1:09:49
  Yeah, look it up. I.
• 1:09:50
  See an article written that says poor white kids are less likely
• 1:09:52
  to go to prison than rich black kids, but I'm pretty sure.
• 1:09:55
  This is. That's just some conjecture.
• 1:09:59
  I love, I love racism. It's so fun.
• 1:10:01
  On the one hand it's destroying the country, on the other hand
• 1:10:03
  it makes people into fucking lol cows and that's always fun.
• 1:10:05
  Really chooses to selectively believe things, which is the
• 1:10:08
  exact opposite of having a conversation.
• 1:10:11
  And it has caused so many people to have this uncomfortable
• 1:10:13
  feeling about this guy. It's not that I knew him or
• 1:10:16
  anything, but I was susceptible to conflating charisma with
• 1:10:19
  decency. It's like if you have a really
• 1:10:21
  heated argument with a friend about politics and from that.
• 1:10:24
  Yeah, but you got to understand like this is this is like the
• 1:10:26
  real problem everybody's talking about.
• 1:10:28
  How like, I don't know, there wasn't enough room for men in
• 1:10:32
  the Democrat Party or whatever victim complex people want to
• 1:10:35
  have, which I really don't think it's true in the real world.
• 1:10:38
  But in the online world, that's a different story.
• 1:10:41
  These people are terminally online and they're feeling
• 1:10:44
  frustrated. There's that's that's it.
• 1:10:48
  And they're online and they're just like consuming slop on
• 1:10:50
  fucking like 4 Chan and shit. And they're like, wait a minute,
• 1:10:54
  wait a minute, wait a minute. Black people bad.
• 1:10:56
  That's it. That's the entirety of these
• 1:10:58
  people's fucking mentality. That's all it is in general.
• 1:11:01
  That point on you know neither of you can be 100% with each
• 1:11:04
  other ever again. But that's also the thing, you
• 1:11:07
  were never really 100% with that friend because you never had a
• 1:11:10
  conversation like that. Now whether John's debate was a
• 1:11:13
  breakdown I can only guess, but he is intensely uncomfortable
• 1:11:16
  when talking about politics and speaks only through ineffable
• 1:11:18
  rhetoric. To this day, whenever I watch
• 1:11:20
  John, there is this slight discomfort where you see this
• 1:11:24
  guy. Surprised you're still watching
• 1:11:25
  that guy. You seem like you'd be kind of
• 1:11:26
  woke and you wouldn't want to consume some fucking white
• 1:11:29
  supremacist freak anymore, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:32
  Guys channel where he does such an impeccable job at keeping his
• 1:11:35
  videos accessible to as many people as possible, then the
• 1:11:38
  second he is out of this controlled environment he
• 1:11:41
  immediately alienates as many people as humanly possible.
• 1:11:44
  You know any of the things in the stream that could be
• 1:11:46
  considered weird sounding or off putting?
• 1:11:48
  I probably agree with you that they were, so I hope you don't
• 1:11:51
  read too much into. It if they were happy with
• 1:11:53
  Mexico, why would they come to the United?
• 1:11:55
  States because the better handouts a lot of them were on
• 1:12:00
  his. Biggest imperfections once being
• 1:12:02
  editing. Hey, better handouts.
• 1:12:04
  We love it. Mistakes and poorly executed
• 1:12:06
  jokes are now replaced with an ugly hatred.
• 1:12:08
  And also this debate just fucked up a lot of other Jontron
• 1:12:11
  discourse. Like instead of talking about
• 1:12:12
  Jon's borderline replacement theory in the debate, they want
• 1:12:15
  to talk about a Sonic R review from six years ago and call it
• 1:12:18
  racist and retrospect. Guys, Sonic R isn't about that
• 1:12:22
  kind of race, That would be Sonic Chronicles the Dark
• 1:12:25
  Brotherhood. Oh, I like that silly.
• 1:12:27
  Later, John went on the podcast with.
• 1:12:29
  Yeah John charm was cancelled while I woke mob.
• 1:12:31
  True. I wish I want to cancel this
• 1:12:33
  fuck ass game. Still sitting here exposition
• 1:12:36
  dump I I'm so sorry. Like, I want to have a stellar
• 1:12:40
  blade crash out even though it's completely irrelevant and I'm
• 1:12:43
  going to have a stellar blade crash out because this game is
• 1:12:46
  fucking such mediocre slop full of the most unskivable, long
• 1:12:52
  winded, boring cutscenes I've ever seen.
• 1:12:55
  And that's fine if you like it 'cause it's OK.
• 1:12:58
  It's mediocre. It's OK if the play's OK.
• 1:13:00
  It feels sticky to play a little bit.
• 1:13:02
  It's maybe just to come on my controller from looking at
• 1:13:04
  fucking big tits, I don't know. But it's just like, it's not
• 1:13:10
  that good. It's not good enough to like,
• 1:13:12
  cry about God of War, Lafay Lafay coming out.
• 1:13:15
  Oh my God, the girl's not hot. This game was so much better.
• 1:13:18
  This game kind of blows, dude. Entire like unskippable sections
• 1:13:22
  where you can't use your sword and you have to use this shitty
• 1:13:25
  fucking gun for it like this. Oh OK.
• 1:13:28
  Wow, this is inspiring. I'm inspired.
• 1:13:31
  I'm having so much fun. This game is a slog.
• 1:13:35
  This game is a fucking slog. And again, if you like it,
• 1:13:38
  that's fine, but it isn't nowhere near any God of War
• 1:13:41
  game. If this game didn't have tits in
• 1:13:43
  it, it would be fucking worthless.
• 1:13:45
  Frankly. It's just janky and kind of
• 1:13:48
  like, I don't know, it's like I fart.
• 1:13:51
  It's like I farted through a, through a fucking dryer sheet
• 1:13:54
  and it's like, that doesn't smell that bad, you know?
• 1:13:57
  I mean, you know what I mean? That's pretty much it.
• 1:14:00
  It's just like, OK, it just exists, you know?
• 1:14:05
  I just, if you know, if you like the game, like that's cool.
• 1:14:08
  Uh oh, that wasn't what I wanted to do, Goddamn it, whatever.
• 1:14:11
  If you like the game, that's cool.
• 1:14:12
  I just don't understand how people are going to compare this
• 1:14:14
  to any God of War and complain because that is just completely
• 1:14:17
  unjustifiable. Completely unjustifiable to to
• 1:14:22
  complain about any any God of War game past future presence
• 1:14:26
  and and then point to this as like the fucking representation
• 1:14:32
  of something amazing. So maybe more solid substance
• 1:14:35
  maybe, I don't know. With this friend Ethan Klein
• 1:14:39
  from H3 and at the beginning of the podcast, Ethan addresses the
• 1:14:42
  oh. Look, I just finished like a 10
• 1:14:45
  minute cutscene and I got to walk for 35 seconds back into a
• 1:14:50
  cutscene. OK, sorry, let me get back into.
• 1:14:54
  This kind of rays that would be Sonic chronicles the dark
• 1:14:58
  brotherhood. A while later, John went on a
• 1:15:00
  podcast with his friend Ethan Klein from H3, and at the
• 1:15:02
  beginning of the podcast, Ethan addresses the elephant in the
• 1:15:05
  room. And John is just like, I really
• 1:15:07
  don't want to talk about this. But Ethan kept pressing I.
• 1:15:10
  Think he had to talk about that? There's no way he's going to be
• 1:15:12
  on there without that. It sounds like he wanted to use
• 1:15:14
  Ethan Klein in that moment as a way to, like, refresh his brand
• 1:15:17
  rather than to be held to task. So he's trying to sacrifice
• 1:15:21
  Ethan's credibility at the time for to generate his own on a.
• 1:15:24
  Back outed and at the time people were upset with Ethan, it
• 1:15:27
  looked like he was using John's controversy to milk drama out of
• 1:15:30
  him rather than talk to him like a friend.
• 1:15:32
  And I doubt that. I mean, not at all Like he had a
• 1:15:35
  controversy. The fact that, like Jontron
• 1:15:37
  would even expect to be able to go on Ethan's show without
• 1:15:40
  having to address it is entitled.
• 1:15:45
  It's completely entitled. Yeah, man.
• 1:15:48
  I think it would have been kind of ridiculous.
• 1:15:50
  And it's entitled for him to think he would be able to go on
• 1:15:52
  there and not have to talk about it.
• 1:15:54
  What Jontron wanted to do is like, he had this debate where
• 1:15:57
  he just praised white supremacy with Destiny and he wanted to
• 1:16:00
  come back and not have to actually address anything on
• 1:16:05
  Ethan and like, use Ethan's credibility.
• 1:16:08
  Basically throw away Ethan's credibility and try to generate
• 1:16:10
  some credibility of his own by moving past it.
• 1:16:14
  And it was already going to be like a soft, like a softball
• 1:16:16
  interview anyway. So like, yeah, you have to
• 1:16:19
  address stuff. So I the fact that people felt
• 1:16:21
  that way is stupid. Honestly, knowing what I do
• 1:16:24
  about Ethan now, he very well could have been.
• 1:16:26
  But The thing is, if you have a friend and there's an
• 1:16:28
  uncomfortable elephant in the room, it's important.
• 1:16:31
  What do you know about Ethan now, dude?
• 1:16:33
  To your friendship to talk about that uncomfortable thing because
• 1:16:35
  I would. The elephant in the room.
• 1:16:37
  It's important to your friendship to talk about that
• 1:16:39
  uncomfortable thing because I would also be asking my good
• 1:16:42
  friend John why the fuck did he start talking about Gene?
• 1:16:45
  Pools. I hate what he said, but I still
• 1:16:47
  love him as a person and as an entertainer.
• 1:16:49
  I guess that's a timeless question.
• 1:16:51
  Yeah, well, it's that's been the that's been.
• 1:16:53
  The talk about Kanye. Through the ages, you know,
• 1:16:56
  right. But at the same time, I really
• 1:16:58
  just think that I don't, I just don't want, I really don't want
• 1:17:00
  to get into. This, and The thing is like, if
• 1:17:01
  you can't even talk about this from the friend directly across
• 1:17:04
  from you, who can you talk to this about?
• 1:17:06
  This effectively ended the last remnants of his normal Boots
• 1:17:09
  era, departing from the organization shortly after, and
• 1:17:11
  the fandom that had come to define John felt less like an
• 1:17:14
  actual fandom and more just like an exchange of engagement.
• 1:17:18
  This isn't to say John's career went downhill after this, but
• 1:17:21
  you either had to ignore what John said and watch him more
• 1:17:24
  objectively, or do listen to what he said and watch him way
• 1:17:27
  more objectively. You can tell me that I have a
• 1:17:29
  hard time separating the art from the artist, but from this
• 1:17:32
  point on I really only wanted to look at John as an artist, you
• 1:17:35
  know, keep it professional, you know?
• 1:17:36
  The last thing I want to do is have a drink with him.
• 1:17:38
  Like sorry man, I just can't fucking stand videos where
• 1:17:41
  people just go over and over and over again.
• 1:17:43
  Jontron very much just sounds like someone who consumed.
• 1:17:46
  Weight. I don't know man, I feel like I
• 1:17:50
  guess I understand people who talk about the art from the
• 1:17:52
  artist, but I also feel like that's some just lazy cock shit
• 1:17:56
  when you say some dumb ass shit like that.
• 1:17:59
  If you think somebody is like truly morally abhorrent, why
• 1:18:05
  would you continue to give them attention and money?
• 1:18:10
  Oh, it's not like there's nothing particularly robust to
• 1:18:14
  say. I just feel like, what's the
• 1:18:18
  hell, why would you do that? That just seems silly to me.
• 1:18:21
  Too much manufactured outrage on the Internet and let it seep
• 1:18:24
  into their personal beliefs. And it's just fucking like,
• 1:18:29
  couldn't you just like, eat fucking ice cream or something?
• 1:18:32
  Listen, I know that it's encouraged to move on from a
• 1:18:34
  creator to controversy, especially if it's nine years
• 1:18:37
  old. And if he made an apology
• 1:18:38
  instead of a statement, this would be an entirely different
• 1:18:41
  video. At the most, he just says he
• 1:18:43
  regrets certain things he says. But he said so much shit in that
• 1:18:46
  video that I have no. He's doubling down but trying to
• 1:18:49
  make it. He's doubling down, but he's
• 1:18:51
  like, no, no, I regret some stuff.
• 1:18:53
  I make it seem like he's not, no.
• 1:18:54
  Idea what he regrets and what he doesn't regret, because almost
• 1:18:57
  all of it was just the worst possible thing he could say at
• 1:19:00
  that time. And as time goes on we would
• 1:19:02
  find out that attitude has only persisted.
• 1:19:05
  Now he could have let this incident ruin his career as much
• 1:19:07
  as he let it, but for the most part it was still separate from
• 1:19:11
  the rest of his content. And when he did come back, he
• 1:19:14
  came back with the biggest fucking video of his career.
• 1:19:16
  Flex Tape is at least one of the top three Jontron videos in my
• 1:19:20
  my opinion. This actually almost never got
• 1:19:22
  released because John's standard equality had gone so high to
• 1:19:25
  this point that I'm not sure he even knew what he wanted from
• 1:19:28
  his videos. There very well could be a
• 1:19:29
  backlog of more than serviceable Jontron videos that I would be
• 1:19:32
  more than content with that I'm probably never going to see.
• 1:19:36
  The Flex Tape video is. Damn, he's like a really big
• 1:19:38
  fan. What the fuck?
• 1:19:40
  Shorter than the average John Tron video clocking a little bit
• 1:19:43
  over 10 minutes long, but every second of this video has
• 1:19:46
  something going on. Ever reaction?
• 1:19:48
  This guy die Billy Mays. Is perfectly.
• 1:19:50
  Encapsulated. That's not Billy Mays, is it?
• 1:19:53
  Sorry, I'm thinking of something else.
• 1:19:54
  Like John is having a conversation with the
• 1:19:56
  commercials themselves. Phil Swift here for Flex.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah, that's Phil Swift. My bad guys seal the easy way to
• 1:20:03
  stop leaks fast. That's a colander, Phil.
• 1:20:05
  It's supposed to have holes and leaks.
• 1:20:08
  What you've done is essentially you've made a bowl.
• 1:20:10
  I think half of the sentences said in this video have become
• 1:20:12
  Internet trends in one way or another, and I'll tell you why.
• 1:20:15
  Because like flex tape, it just works.
• 1:20:18
  It even works underwater. I saw this boat in half.
• 1:20:22
  No, that's a lot of data. Phil Swift is the most fucking
• 1:20:24
  magnetic psycho salesman in the world.
• 1:20:27
  And if you really thought about it.
• 1:20:28
  This. Hey good for him man, this
• 1:20:29
  should have been his awakening. Maybe he should have made a
• 1:20:31
  YouTube channel where he said white supremacist stuff, that'd
• 1:20:33
  be cool. This.
• 1:20:34
  Video is nothing more than a 10 minute advertisement for Flex
• 1:20:37
  Tape. If this video showed up as an
• 1:20:39
  advertisement for YouTube, I really wouldn't think twice
• 1:20:41
  about it. As corny as this sounds, the
• 1:20:43
  video is. Imagine he actually got paid to
• 1:20:45
  do it to make this video. Jontron was fucking finessing us
• 1:20:49
  the whole time. Just like flex tape, it's a
• 1:20:51
  super strong airtight video that grips firmly.
• 1:20:55
  But I have one question, John, when you.
• 1:20:56
  I have one question, if you put it inside of your Fleshlight
• 1:20:59
  would it make it grip harder or would it ruin the sensation?
• 1:21:02
  Put flex tape on your shower. Why did you turn the shower on
• 1:21:05
  then put the flex tape? Wouldn't it have been easier to
• 1:21:08
  just put the flex tape on the shower head and then turn the
• 1:21:10
  shower on? I don't know what it is about
• 1:21:12
  this video. Would I call it my favorite
• 1:21:14
  Jontron video? Probably not, but I could watch
• 1:21:16
  it. A billion times and not get
• 1:21:17
  tired of it when this video first came out, it almost got 10
• 1:21:20
  million views in a month since then it has gotten over 70
• 1:21:24
  million views. Also, it's just insane to me
• 1:21:27
  that John can spend thousands of dollars on a video like this and
• 1:21:30
  look at it just going this one isn't good enough.
• 1:21:33
  It's not good enough. Just scrap it.
• 1:21:35
  Just get rid of it. Like how many videos does he
• 1:21:37
  have like this in the vault like.
• 1:21:38
  That's interesting. This guy's, this is such an
• 1:21:40
  interesting video to me because this guy like really loves
• 1:21:44
  Jontron. Like you could this guy like is
• 1:21:46
  a huge Jontron fan because right now he's fucking, he's taking
• 1:21:50
  his Oval testicles into his fucking mouth and he's sucking
• 1:21:52
  as hard as possible. He's like, how many more
• 1:21:55
  absolutely magnetic and amazingly beautiful of other
• 1:21:59
  videos are there that Jontron has simply not released because
• 1:22:02
  he's so self-conscious, because even though everything he's ever
• 1:22:06
  done is so high quality, he's nervous it's not high quality
• 1:22:09
  enough. He's like, oh, maybe has an
• 1:22:12
  interesting thought that could be true.
• 1:22:14
  This guy, this guy like I feel like this guy might actually
• 1:22:17
  have like a Jontron. He might be the leader of like a
• 1:22:20
  Jontron like club. So interesting to me.
• 1:22:23
  Yeah, sure. Are they probably unfinished?
• 1:22:25
  A few touch ups couldn't hurt, right?
• 1:22:27
  So how did John carry on this momentum while he uploaded
• 1:22:30
  videos from September all the way to December and then
• 1:22:33
  proceeded not to upload for almost a year when he were good
• 1:22:36
  for him turned it was a sequel to his Flex Tape video.
• 1:22:39
  He's trotting all over the screen.
• 1:22:40
  Video and this time it actually was just an ad and also it was a
• 1:22:43
  20 minute ad. But look we got a new intro
• 1:22:45
  animated by Studio Yada and also another set that will definitely
• 1:22:49
  be used for a long time. I think a video like this really
• 1:22:51
  kick started John's commentary era and serves as the link
• 1:22:54
  between angry video game reviews and YouTube commentary that you
• 1:22:58
  see now. Dan Aykroyd's Crystal Skull
• 1:22:59
  Vodka workplace safety. These are some of my favorite
• 1:23:02
  Jontron videos. And instead of taking massive
• 1:23:04
  multi month breaks, John actually uploaded other things
• 1:23:08
  that weren't just the Jontron show.
• 1:23:10
  In a way, this provided a creative spike that I hadn't
• 1:23:12
  seen since his oldest era, which I think says more about 2017
• 1:23:15
  YouTube than anything else. It seemed like so many creators
• 1:23:17
  could upload anything and get millions of views even when
• 1:23:20
  uploading his own version. Well, somebody likes somebody,
• 1:23:22
  they're probably a lot more likely to watch the shit that
• 1:23:24
  they produce. And of the Ricky Gervais Show,
• 1:23:25
  now a bunch of episodes were classified as Jontron, including
• 1:23:29
  Johnny New English, where John goes to New Hampshire and things
• 1:23:32
  happen. But it's videos like this that I
• 1:23:33
  feel like brought new life into his channel.
• 1:23:36
  Some videos like architecture tier list hey I could pass on
• 1:23:38
  but there were some choices he did that I enjoyed.
• 1:23:41
  You didn't like the architecture tier list.
• 1:23:43
  I'm actually like, I'm ironically surprised because
• 1:23:45
  you're you're such, you're very heavily maybe even over analysis
• 1:23:50
  in some instances. I thought you would have liked
• 1:23:52
  something like that. Wait, like how he incorporated
• 1:23:54
  more of his staff into his videos as opposed to just kind
• 1:23:57
  of being in a room by himself? Nice dude.
• 1:23:59
  Yeah, stroke it. Stroke that stuff.
• 1:24:01
  Being constricted to a singular set and being able to kind of
• 1:24:03
  move around in a studio. Now, you could still tell when a
• 1:24:05
  video was like a main Jontron video.
• 1:24:08
  And by that I mean he was reacting to something real.
• 1:24:11
  Story of the pilgrims. Well, that's a side John, but
• 1:24:13
  goop, ghosts, weapons goop, now that's a main John.
• 1:24:17
  Now, the second Goop video has a little bit more context to it
• 1:24:19
  because that's where we entered John's quarantine era because of
• 1:24:22
  a certain virus going around unprecedented times.
• 1:24:26
  And by all means I would classify this as a new era, but
• 1:24:29
  stylistically the videos felt the same to me.
• 1:24:32
  He was constricted to filming just from a single angle, but
• 1:24:35
  there was a simplicity to it. He had to improvise and as we
• 1:24:38
  know, John is good at improvising improv comedy.
• 1:24:41
  This includes one of my favorite back-to-back videos, Kid Nation,
• 1:24:44
  and the Kid Nation interview with Jimmy.
• 1:24:46
  Now I was never going to watch this show, but having someone
• 1:24:49
  react to it in such a proper way just felt so satisfying.
• 1:24:53
  And particularly this one moment he has that just perfectly
• 1:24:56
  summarizes the feeling this show gives.
• 1:24:58
  And I have no idea how the fuck he found any of the Kid Nation
• 1:25:01
  children, let alone Jimmy the court.
• 1:25:03
  I don't even know what the fuck kid nation is that.
• 1:25:05
  What are we even talking about? I remember POD to the use of the
• 1:25:08
  nation. Let's see.
• 1:25:12
  OK, I've never heard of this before.
• 1:25:15
  Oh, OK. Teen ever was.
• 1:25:17
  Americans was a child survivor. Pretty short lived, but I liked
• 1:25:20
  it. And somehow John returned to a
• 1:25:22
  completely different set. Like how many sets has this guy
• 1:25:25
  cycled through I think. This.
• 1:25:26
  I don't know man, I guess maybe he has maybe his girlfriend or
• 1:25:29
  something, really likes to change it up.
• 1:25:30
  Who the fuck knows at this point.
• 1:25:32
  This is 7th at this point. What the fuck John?
• 1:25:34
  One day, completely out of the blue, John just started posting
• 1:25:37
  anti vax tweets or some sort of the fucking Schrodinger's anti
• 1:25:41
  vax because it was really tweets about questioning the science,
• 1:25:44
  whatever the fuck that means. That means he's a full blown
• 1:25:47
  MAGA conspiracy theory conservative, but he has no
• 1:25:50
  actual brain left. I don't know what point he was
• 1:25:53
  trying to make and his rebuttals included.
• 1:25:55
  Erm, your profile picture looks weird.
• 1:25:56
  Or erm, I have more followers than you.
• 1:25:59
  After this whole spill on Twitter, John resolved it by
• 1:26:01
  just saying I'm not saying you shouldn't get the vaccine or
• 1:26:04
  that it's unsafe. OK, if that's what you're not
• 1:26:06
  saying, I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
• 1:26:09
  And if he's trying to say not to blindly trust everything you
• 1:26:12
  see, he's doing exactly that by just showing this barrage of
• 1:26:15
  articles, some of which are from 2011.
• 1:26:18
  Like it just proves to me since he debated 4 years ago he's done
• 1:26:21
  absolutely nothing to change about the way he talks about
• 1:26:23
  social issues. He still blindly believes
• 1:26:26
  everything he wants. He's a fucking MAGA cultist
• 1:26:28
  dude. Like are you understanding this?
• 1:26:30
  What the fuck? To believe, but the second
• 1:26:32
  anyone has any sort of opposition to him he immediately
• 1:26:35
  flips the fuck out. And again, taking away anything
• 1:26:37
  political. Just trying to talk to someone
• 1:26:39
  like that is fucking insufferable.
• 1:26:41
  But this just proves people will believe.
• 1:26:43
  I'm so surprised. That was a weird, like, snorted.
• 1:26:45
  I'm so, so surprised if, like, this guy is somebody who would
• 1:26:48
  go much harder on like a white supremacist and he's simply not.
• 1:26:54
  But maybe I just had like a weird expectation on this person
• 1:26:59
  based on the way he looked. Maybe, maybe, maybe that's my
• 1:27:04
  fault, guys. Leave what anyone says to them.
• 1:27:06
  They don't. They don't bother to do the
• 1:27:08
  research. I mean think first.
• 1:27:10
  Don't just believe what anyone tells.
• 1:27:12
  Listen, fool me. He's in denial.
• 1:27:14
  He might be. That might be what it is.
• 1:27:15
  I mean he seems to really love Jontron so I wouldn't doubt.
• 1:27:19
  It nice but I'm not mad at John because of what he posted.
• 1:27:22
  I'm mad at John because he has an entire company depending on
• 1:27:25
  him and he does shit like this. Like, imagine you're a former
• 1:27:28
  Jontron employee trying to get into another production company.
• 1:27:31
  And when they look up your resume, they see who Jontron is,
• 1:27:34
  and they find these tweets. All I'm saying is that if
• 1:27:37
  there's someone that's not going to have a conversation about
• 1:27:39
  this, it's probably employers, They're just going to say no.
• 1:27:42
  And considering John's crew has fluctuated and recently shrunken
• 1:27:45
  down, this could be a very real possibility.
• 1:27:48
  And it also showed me that the four years from his debate to
• 1:27:50
  these tweets just showed he had no growth at all.
• 1:27:54
  And again, at least with the debate he did with Destiny, that
• 1:27:56
  was caused because he had a conversation on a podcast with
• 1:27:58
  someone else. But here on Twitter, absolutely
• 1:28:01
  nothing prompted this at all. And again, it's just like, you
• 1:28:04
  see stuff like this and you see the guy in the videos and it
• 1:28:07
  just, it doesn't feel like the same person and your brain tries
• 1:28:10
  to block out the fact that they're the same person.
• 1:28:13
  And honestly, this is going to be kind of a cop out for the
• 1:28:15
  rest of Jon's content. But anything after Kid Nation,
• 1:28:17
  anything after those tweets just kind of become a blur to me.
• 1:28:20
  There's still some Jontron Jontron videos, like the Steven
• 1:28:23
  Seagal video. However, as the content
• 1:28:25
  continued, it gradually felt less like the Jontron that I
• 1:28:29
  came to watch. It's just small things, like
• 1:28:31
  after a certain point he replaced the dash in his video
• 1:28:34
  titles with this divider. At least I think.
• 1:28:36
  Whoa, that's I think when things got really crazy.
• 1:28:38
  What the fuck was he reacting to The oh shameless dating show.
• 1:28:43
  Wow, I. Think that's what the symbols
• 1:28:45
  called. I tried to look it up on Google
• 1:28:47
  and I got this instead. So thanks Google, your AI is
• 1:28:50
  absolutely worth the mass famine.
• 1:28:52
  He also added this border in his videos which just felt off
• 1:28:55
  putting. And listen, I'm not going to
• 1:28:56
  tell you John's views are bad. He seems like some fairly
• 1:28:59
  pedantic criticism considering everything else.
• 1:29:02
  And by any means his least viewed video from this era is
• 1:29:05
  still more views than my most viewed video because again,
• 1:29:08
  levels to this shit. But compare these views to these
• 1:29:11
  views and mind you, the comments section in these videos from
• 1:29:15
  over 10 years ago, they're still active.
• 1:29:17
  Also, I think the camera is the biggest visual metaphor for
• 1:29:19
  Jontron's content. In the early era anything went.
• 1:29:22
  Seasons 2 camera was dynamic yet professional feeling.
• 1:29:25
  It expressed the most from John. Like during this set, the camera
• 1:29:27
  seemed to move a lot more and as it progressed it stayed in one
• 1:29:30
  handheld position with the occasional Lynn zoom and then
• 1:29:33
  boom, tripod. I feel like that handheld camera
• 1:29:35
  did so much to separate John from other reviewers as well.
• 1:29:38
  It was his greatest strength visually and helped him make the
• 1:29:40
  video so alive in a way that no one else really did.
• 1:29:43
  Is he? Wearing a beer shirt?
• 1:29:44
  What the fuck? And to this day, and although
• 1:29:46
  John always had a script, it just feels like he's reading
• 1:29:49
  straight from a teleprompter now.
• 1:29:50
  Or when he does a voice over, they just have his camera in the
• 1:29:52
  corner with a little yellow border for some reason, which
• 1:29:55
  just it looks wrong. Listen.
• 1:29:56
  Well, I think he's writing a little bit of the reaction out
• 1:29:58
  of there, so it's all good. It's just very interesting the
• 1:30:02
  criticism you have with John. I mean, he criticized him for
• 1:30:05
  being a white supremacist. It just feels wishy washy.
• 1:30:08
  It's like, OK, cool. I thought you would have ended
• 1:30:10
  with that. But instead we got like the hey,
• 1:30:13
  that was the thing that happened.
• 1:30:14
  And you know what I don't like about John is fucking dashes and
• 1:30:19
  the colours he uses. I don't like those colours.
• 1:30:22
  OK, that's pretty cool. I understand if John was slowing
• 1:30:26
  down the machine and he wanted to streamline his process a
• 1:30:28
  little bit more, but it just, yeah, this doesn't feel like
• 1:30:31
  John. I think it's telling.
• 1:30:33
  That's what I'm saying dude. It doesn't feel like John
• 1:30:34
  anymore. We need more of the racism.
• 1:30:37
  I think that I'm a lot more willing to watch his shitty.
• 1:30:39
  Need more racism and more unskippable cutscenes in this
• 1:30:41
  fuck ass game. Double O 7 review from 2010 then
• 1:30:44
  is really cleanly produced video about Teemo items.
• 1:30:47
  The best way I can describe these new videos is that he's
• 1:30:50
  talking to someone. It's just not me.
• 1:30:52
  I hate to do this with John more than any other YouTube.
• 1:30:55
  It's parasocial as shit, but I want to look deeper into this.
• 1:30:59
  The biggest reason, I think, is his longtime producer Sergio
• 1:31:01
  Torres seemingly departed from the show.
• 1:31:03
  And I feel like he was an integral aspect of Jontron since
• 1:31:07
  he moved to New York. And really the deeper question I
• 1:31:09
  have is about. You really know a lot of lore
• 1:31:11
  about this guy, holy fuck. This management company Makers
• 1:31:14
  First who was founded in 2024 but a seemingly gone back and
• 1:31:17
  updated every video after 2016 with Jon Jon's business e-mail.
• 1:31:21
  I can barely find anything about Makers First.
• 1:31:23
  All of them. Did you pay somebody to do that,
• 1:31:25
  you think? Their website is still under
• 1:31:27
  construction I guess. They don't seem to be a very
• 1:31:29
  large company and their main priority doesn't seem to be
• 1:31:32
  John, but rather a channel named Kalis who between 3 channels has
• 1:31:36
  a combined 50 million subscribers.
• 1:31:39
  What the fuck? I was like, oh, who the fuck is
• 1:31:41
  Kalis? OK.
• 1:31:42
  What I'm basically saying is that I think the management
• 1:31:44
  company is focusing a lot more of their resources on the 50
• 1:31:47
  million channel project rather than Jontron 6,000,000
• 1:31:49
  subscribers because again, there's levels to this shit.
• 1:31:52
  I guess so. Jontron also doesn't really seem
• 1:31:54
  like he posts very often. This is an overanalyzation, do
• 1:31:58
  not take what I am saying is fat, but I have been on YouTube
• 1:32:00
  long enough to have some sort of theory about Jon's content and
• 1:32:03
  really it's not that exciting. Basically, I feel like Jon just
• 1:32:06
  wanted to have is. That Shawn Michaels.
• 1:32:07
  Life outside of YouTube and the previous Jontron videos, as
• 1:32:10
  great as they were, just took up all of his time.
• 1:32:14
  Cool theory, man. Yeah, I think he just got tired
• 1:32:16
  of it. And also he's a white
• 1:32:17
  supremacist and got negative attention and that really pushed
• 1:32:19
  him away from wanting to make content too.
• 1:32:21
  Even if he wanted to make those and he's rich kinds of videos
• 1:32:23
  still, they were just too time consuming for him.
• 1:32:25
  So when he joined. I doubt it.
• 1:32:27
  The company like makers first I assume it was with the intent to
• 1:32:30
  delegate video making responsibility, but I think the
• 1:32:33
  catch is that so much of their attention is focused on careless
• 1:32:35
  or other content creators. Which in return I think a lot of
• 1:32:38
  the decisions they made towards John's channel wasn't really
• 1:32:42
  with 100% attention. But with something like the
• 1:32:44
  Teamu video, it feels really low energy.
• 1:32:46
  Like surprisingly low. Like the video is clearly edited
• 1:32:49
  by someone that isn't John. If it was something that was
• 1:32:52
  time consuming, why wouldn't he just put out one video every
• 1:32:54
  like 2 months then? You know what I mean?
• 1:32:56
  Like I think it's just, I think he just doesn't give a fuck
• 1:32:59
  about YouTube anymore because he made like a ton of money and he
• 1:33:01
  doesn't want to do any things anymore and he knows that he's a
• 1:33:03
  white supremacist and doesn't feel like making stuff into the
• 1:33:07
  atmosphere. He probably just donates his
• 1:33:08
  money to Trump or something at this point.
• 1:33:11
  And All in all, these videos just have this air of fatigue in
• 1:33:14
  them. Nice 10 out of 10.
• 1:33:17
  And you know what's more likely? Maybe he just doesn't have it in
• 1:33:19
  him anymore. Maybe he just doesn't really
• 1:33:20
  have it in him. You know?
• 1:33:22
  He's just like, yeah, it's not me anymore.
• 1:33:24
  He doesn't got it, you know. 10 What do you want me to say about
• 1:33:27
  this? And the last thing I want to be
• 1:33:29
  is one of those people where it's like, oh, John.
• 1:33:31
  So now he doesn't make the videos like they used to
• 1:33:33
  anymore. I completely understand and if
• 1:33:36
  he never makes a video like the ones he did 10 years ago, I feel
• 1:33:39
  like this management company is really controlling.
• 1:33:41
  But I have also seen what happens to John when he is not
• 1:33:44
  under a lot of control. Listen As appetizing as the
• 1:33:47
  Jontron podcast might be, you and I both.
• 1:33:49
  Well, it doesn't seem very controlling if they haven't
• 1:33:50
  really been able to make them put anything out in any
• 1:33:52
  meaningful capacity. Both know that this show could
• 1:33:54
  never ever be broadcasted live. Even Gingrim's knew when to edit
• 1:33:57
  John and at the time of recording, Jontron has been gone
• 1:34:00
  for about a year and a half now, which I think this has a lot
• 1:34:03
  more to do with the fact that he has had a literal a child.
• 1:34:06
  Wait a minute, a child, then that means my man.
• 1:34:12
  I'm not going to look deeper into this, but it it's.
• 1:34:15
  Just weird. Just feels like someone is being
• 1:34:17
  handsy with John's content that isn't John, if you know what I
• 1:34:20
  mean. I don't, I don't, I think
• 1:34:21
  you're, you get like conspiracy theories going on in your brain
• 1:34:24
  or something. Don't think it's that deep.
• 1:34:26
  The best way I can describe the relation between Makers First
• 1:34:29
  and John Tron is that it feels very binding but not very
• 1:34:32
  attentive. And it's not the first time I
• 1:34:34
  would see an angry reviewer get that sort of treatment from
• 1:34:36
  their management company. Well, I guess that was someone's
• 1:34:39
  life's work put into a video. Really.
• 1:34:40
  John never came off to me as an influential channel as much as
• 1:34:43
  he took the will and dipped it in gold.
• 1:34:45
  If there was any influence of John, it wasn't from his content
• 1:34:48
  creation, but rather his ability to set trends.
• 1:34:50
  To this day, it's unbelievable how much his growth just felt so
• 1:34:54
  exponential and it was unbelievable.
• 1:34:57
  And it's still hard to fathom someone being able to scale like
• 1:35:00
  that in such a short amount of time from the day he made those
• 1:35:02
  weird vaccine tweets. I think part of it's just like
• 1:35:05
  you kind of get him on the ground floor of YouTube and then
• 1:35:07
  a lot of people were able to get bumped, like bumped just because
• 1:35:09
  of that. Not that he wasn't entertaining.
• 1:35:11
  I mean, obviously I watched his stuff.
• 1:35:12
  It's just, I think it's part of it.
• 1:35:13
  It's the now not much has happened but take that same
• 1:35:16
  amount of time and apply it to his first video and Fast forward
• 1:35:19
  from there. What you would have is a man
• 1:35:21
  talking with Disney about making a Star Wars themed show.
• 1:35:25
  It's too late for me nowadays though.
• 1:35:27
  With how algorithmically focused people are with YouTube, it
• 1:35:30
  feels necessary to mention this. The number one thing that will
• 1:35:32
  get you views is making good content.
• 1:35:35
  Stuff that people can come back to over 10 years later and get
• 1:35:37
  the same amount of enjoyment from it after doing YouTube for
• 1:35:40
  three years. Maybe.
• 1:35:41
  I feel like at this point it's like the reactive meta.
• 1:35:45
  It's probably, I mean, maybe not, maybe people are getting
• 1:35:47
  sick of that stuff. I don't know.
• 1:35:48
  Who knows That's. Still a goal I strive towards,
• 1:35:50
  and suffice to say, some people find their footing easier than
• 1:35:53
  others. Like look at me man, I should be
• 1:35:55
  in a gaming duo, cracking jokes, riffing about the game I'm
• 1:35:58
  playing. But no, I got to overanalyze my
• 1:36:01
  childhood because the real world sucks.
• 1:36:04
  Man, I guess you could do both right I suppose.
• 1:36:09
  But if I can look at John as a creator, he was a damn good one
• 1:36:12
  and someone I still think about to this day.
• 1:36:14
  And knowing my luck, he might fucking release something the
• 1:36:16
  day this comes out and a lot of the things I say become
• 1:36:19
  irrelevant. But I also assume he's taking
• 1:36:21
  care of his own flesh and blood. You know, giving that whole
• 1:36:23
  undivided attention to. And grooming his kid into
• 1:36:26
  thinking that non white people are bad.
• 1:36:28
  All that fun stuff. But I think everyone has a
• 1:36:30
  different experience with John in one way or another.
• 1:36:33
  Whether you were an early normal Boots adopter or a Flex tape
• 1:36:36
  Finder. He was an important channel, The
• 1:36:37
  Manny. Also, I feel obligated to say
• 1:36:39
  this, someone by the name of Ali Starla also made a pretty long
• 1:36:43
  retrospective on Jontron which I normally wouldn't bring up
• 1:36:46
  except for the fact they name dropped me as an inspiration.
• 1:36:49
  Whoa, that's fun. Nice.
• 1:36:51
  And I already wrote this video. With these YouTube
• 1:36:55
  retrospectives, it's very natural for the same Youtubers
• 1:36:57
  to get mentioned, sometimes within the same 24 hour span.
• 1:37:00
  But if you think I missed something you want to see
• 1:37:02
  someone else's perspective on Jontron, look in the
• 1:37:04
  description. I put the video there.
• 1:37:06
  And in case you're wondering, no, I didn't watch all of the
• 1:37:08
  boy in the band videos because that would have sucked.
• 1:37:11
  I don't want to sit through that many reason tutorials.
• 1:37:13
  Here's the final drum and based seven day song.
• 1:37:18
  If I'm being honest, too, I didn't sit through some of those
• 1:37:20
  newer Jontron videos. I mostly just kind of watched
• 1:37:23
  the older ones. Speaking of, how did I end my
• 1:37:25
  Boina Band video? I I plugged my Twitch, didn't I?
• 1:37:28
  Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Yeah.
• 1:37:30
  The Twitch that I very much still use.
• 1:37:32
  Yep. Yeah, that's what I did.
• 1:37:34
  Oh, I'm assuming this is not the what this guy does full time or
• 1:37:40
  something. I mean, maybe he could, I don't
• 1:37:42
  know. I wonder if Jontron's still
• 1:37:44
  tweeting. Good question, man.
• 1:37:46
  I like that question. All right, That was certainly an
• 1:37:54
  interesting video. I don't think Jontron Sweeting
• 1:37:58
  anymore. I don't know if he has a fucking
• 1:38:00
  age. Yeah, I think that's it, man.
• 1:38:05
  All right, Cool beans, Pizza. Bye.