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Brian Laundrie Captured in Family Camping Selfie? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Was Brian Laundry captured in an unintended selfie at Fort
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Speaker 1: de Soto Campgrounds. This is after Gabby Petito is killed,
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Speaker 1: her body decomposing in Wyoming, a whole country, far far away.
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Speaker 1: He's on a camping tip with his parents. Is it
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Speaker 1: true that his parents specifically signed into DeSoto Campgrounds for
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Speaker 1: a water front slot? Is that the key to Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry's disappearance? Regarding the selfie, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Sightings about Laundry's whereabouts are literally all over the map.
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Speaker 1: John Walsh, host of In Pursuit, says he has tips
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Speaker 1: showing Laundry is hiding out in Mexico, or the Bahamas
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Speaker 1: or the Appalachian Trail. A new witness is coming forward
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Speaker 1: to say he encountered Laundry drinking a loan at this
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Speaker 1: Bullwinkles restaurant in Montana. I'm on August twenty sixth, the
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Speaker 1: night before Gabby was last seen alive. It was almost
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Speaker 1: like he was sulky or mad or in deep thought
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Speaker 1: about something. I really didn't pay him that much attention
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Speaker 1: until he spoke up and did it. Was aggressive and
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Speaker 1: made a comment out about stupid Southerners Okay, did he
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Speaker 1: just say made a comment about stupid Southerners? So well,
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Speaker 1: here's my big question. All of us stupid Southerners are
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Speaker 1: wondering who killed Gabby and then went camping on a
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Speaker 1: pleasure trip with his parents a whole country. Oh wait,
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Speaker 1: that's what us stupid Southerners are wondering right now again.
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Speaker 1: I mean, see Graces his crime stories, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. From being caught sulking at Bullwinkles restaurant
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Speaker 1: the night before Gabby was last seen alive. Another couple
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Speaker 1: has come forward in Florida saying they captured him and
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Speaker 1: intentionally in a selfie. So you've been wondering where he is.
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Speaker 1: Apparently we've got photographic proof with me and all star panel.
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Speaker 1: First of all, high profile lawyer joining me out of Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Former FBI agent Dale Carson, police psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University,
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Speaker 1: consultant with Blueball Institute, author of Operation SS. Doctor Jorry Crossen,
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Speaker 1: founder director of the Coldcase Research Institute, Joining us. Cheryl
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Speaker 1: McCollum at Coalcase Crimes dot Org. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and star of a brand new hit series, Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. But first to Michael Rui's
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Speaker 1: reporter Fox News Digital, who's been camped out down at Northport, Florida.
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Speaker 1: You know, Michael Ruise, just wing you think everything's going cold,
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Speaker 1: something else happens. Let's just start with the unintentional selfie.
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Speaker 1: What happened. Well, this family was camping at the same
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Speaker 1: campground as Brian Laundry when he came home from Wyoming
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Speaker 1: and Gabby Petito's van. Without Gabby, his family decided to
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Speaker 1: pack up, go on a little beachfront camping trip and
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Speaker 1: back campground. It's a pretty popular campground. I was just
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Speaker 1: there the other day. There's a lot of people there.
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Speaker 1: The campsites are actually very close to each other and
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Speaker 1: they're kind of small, so if you're doing something next
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Speaker 1: to the other campsite, there's a good chance that you're
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Speaker 1: going to be, you know, in the background of their pictures.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what these people say happened. It's a
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Speaker 1: little hard to identify the person in the background as
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, but it's the right time and the right place,
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Speaker 1: and it does look a lot like him, and the
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Speaker 1: right truck and the right camper according to eyewitnesses. Let's
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Speaker 1: just go straight out to Cheryl McCollum, director of the
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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, Let's look at the timing everybody.
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Speaker 1: Michael Ruise guests joining us from Fox Today, saying that
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Speaker 1: there very possibly is a selfie a Brian laundry there
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Speaker 1: at Fort DeSoto. My first question to you in general
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Speaker 1: as why does this family capture him on surveillance video?
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Speaker 1: In other words, a selfie and the surveillance video we
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Speaker 1: think of them driving in and out. If there's a
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Speaker 1: camera and the FEDS don't know about it, how does
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Speaker 1: this family, some campers and dog the bounty hunter fare
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Speaker 1: it out this location and the Feds don't question one?
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Speaker 1: Question two and possibly more important, Cheryl McCollum. A water
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Speaker 1: front spot. I mean when I take the twins camping,
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Speaker 1: and I usually get it ahead of time, because that's
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Speaker 1: what I put in my book, don't be a victim
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Speaker 1: plant ahead of time. I try to get a waterfront
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Speaker 1: spot if there is one. If there's a lake, we
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Speaker 1: can't there. But in this case it takes a new significance.
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Speaker 1: Were they planning his getaway the a waterfront your first question.
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Speaker 1: The answer could very well be there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of people that had much rather talk to somebody like
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Speaker 1: Dog the bounty hunter than an FBI agent. Some people
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Speaker 1: just do not feel comfortable to talk to the law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they have a background themselves. Maybe they feel like, hey,
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Speaker 1: Dog's gonna make me famous, or maybe he can get
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Speaker 1: me a reward. The second thing is, we don't know
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Speaker 1: that the FBI doesn't know it. They are close, you know,
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Speaker 1: they're holding everything pretty close, which I believe they should.
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Speaker 1: But again, if this is him, then we know exactly
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Speaker 1: where he was on September sixth and the time of day.
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Speaker 1: Can we go to the waterfront slip now? Yes to me,
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Speaker 1: I'm just like you Walton. I always get waterfront if
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Speaker 1: we can, if it's available. It could be that, or again,
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Speaker 1: it could be let's test this raft we got or
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Speaker 1: this boat, or can you hit that waterway just right
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Speaker 1: at the right time to take you to a little
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Speaker 1: deserted island that y'all know about. It could be one
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Speaker 1: or the other. Let's go straight out to Michael Ruis
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Speaker 1: standing by in Florida. What can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: this selfie? We believe Brian Laundry is picked up in
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Speaker 1: a couple of selfie at the Florida camp site, seventy
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Speaker 1: five miles away from his home, days before Gabby Petito
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Speaker 1: was reported missing. Gee, I think I know what they're
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Speaker 1: talking about him on the camp fire, how to cover
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Speaker 1: up Gabby's death. Now, the lawyer for the family, Michael Ruiz,
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Speaker 1: has confirmed that the family stay there. And I'm looking
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Speaker 1: right at the selfie and it's him. It looks like him,
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Speaker 1: and the baggy shorts that come down to his knees,
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Speaker 1: a light colored shirt loping across in the background. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you've seen it. What do you know, Michael, Well,
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Speaker 1: we know from his lawyer, like you just mentioned that
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Speaker 1: he was there. The lawyer confirmed he was there on
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Speaker 1: the sixth and the seventh of September. We actually have
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Speaker 1: obtained the log keeping book from the park which shows
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Speaker 1: the Laundry family checked in under Roberta. Laundry's name, that's
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Speaker 1: Brian's mother. She checked in on September sixth, and she
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Speaker 1: checked out on September eight And according to their lawyer,
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Speaker 1: they all checked out together. According to other sources, maybe
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Speaker 1: they didn't, maybe only two of them left. But we're
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Speaker 1: still looking into that. But this does tell us that
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry was one hundred percent in that part while
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Speaker 1: Gabby Patio was fifting in the wilderness of Wyoming and
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Speaker 1: probably dead too. Dale Carson, high profile lawyer out of
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville and former FBI agent Dale I wonder if the
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Speaker 1: family isn't leaving the home so they can talk freely
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Speaker 1: away from any concern about wire taps, bugs, surveillance in
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Speaker 1: their home. What do you think? I absolutely agree with you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the government has the capacity to monitor structures remotely,
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Speaker 1: and certainly that is a possibility. Well, when you say
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Speaker 1: things like monitor structures remotely, aren't you just talking about
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Speaker 1: a bug? There's one in every US embassy around the world.
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Speaker 1: What are you talking about. I'm talking about lasers. You
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Speaker 1: put a laser up against a piece of glass and
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Speaker 1: it'll catch the vibration from the conversations inside the room
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Speaker 1: and you know straight out to you, Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: the way that wire chaps, bugs, laser listening is conducted,
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Speaker 1: it's almost undetectable. So if you want to have a
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Speaker 1: private conversation and you think you're I'll just say bugged
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Speaker 1: and that covers the whole gamut of listening devices. The
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Speaker 1: only place to go is out in nature. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've actually had cases just scott where police,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily the fast but local police would go and
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Speaker 1: bug the grave of the victim, would bug the fire
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Speaker 1: escape outside the defendant's apartment because they go out there
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Speaker 1: to smoke, or they go to the grave and unload
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Speaker 1: their conscience. You can put bugs under the law out
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Speaker 1: in the open anywhere a private individual can be standing.
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Speaker 1: You can stick a bug, you sure can. How does
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Speaker 1: it work? Yeah? Absolutely. And one of the things you're
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Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, you're talking about that at the graves.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking about spontaneous utterances, you know, these things that
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Speaker 1: you don't you don't suspect that anybody else is listening,
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Speaker 1: and of course they're hot on your tail there. And
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Speaker 1: so yeah, electronically, when these things are planted either in
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Speaker 1: a hardline phone or perhaps they're listening in over wireless anything,
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Speaker 1: if they have a warrant for this, they can record
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Speaker 1: this and then feed it back that they'll actually, I've
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Speaker 1: seen these before. They actually have a tighted out statement,
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Speaker 1: you know, relative to each one. A transcript if you will,
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Speaker 1: like we're using television and you'll see this. You'll see this,
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Speaker 1: and it really paints this picture. So you have a
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Speaker 1: reasonable expectation of privacy within your own home. They have
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Speaker 1: to get a warrant for that. But if you're out
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Speaker 1: in public, all bets are all at that point in time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm look, just look at the look at the mobsters
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Speaker 1: over the years where they go outside. They even use
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Speaker 1: lip readers, and Carl, I mean, I'm sorry, Dale can
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Speaker 1: probably speak to this. These guys would go outside and
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Speaker 1: they put their hands over their mouths so that you
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Speaker 1: can't actually see what their lips are doing. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know they know, even the mob knows that anybody
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Speaker 1: can be listening and watching at any point in time.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's bring in our psychologist,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jerry Cross. And doctor Jerry thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. And also, I think there is you know,
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Speaker 1: just think it through. Gabby is decomposing out in Wyoming
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Speaker 1: and Brian Laundry knows it and therefore his parents know it.
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Speaker 1: So if they have any concern, have you ever noticed
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Speaker 1: how paranoid like dope dealers are, Hey, forget dope dealers,
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Speaker 1: there are parents of children. They go to school with
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Speaker 1: our children that are convinced the federal government's listening in
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Speaker 1: on them, and they refuse to have an Alexa. They
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Speaker 1: have all sorts of safety devices on their home internet.
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Speaker 1: My theory is, if the fans want to listen to you,
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Speaker 1: they're going to find a way. So you know what,
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Speaker 1: have at it. Listen all you want to about David
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Speaker 1: and arguing with me about who's going to clean out
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Speaker 1: the guineas that morning, the guinea pig cage. So how
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Speaker 1: about it go crazy? But my point is if they
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Speaker 1: know Gabby is out there decomposing, their sun comes all
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Speaker 1: the way across the country undetected, never reports a thing.
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Speaker 1: Of course they're going to go camping because they're paranoid.
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Speaker 1: They're probably convinced they're being listening on and by now
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Speaker 1: they probably are doctor Joy. Yeah. I think by now
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Speaker 1: when that camping trip started, that was to get out
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Speaker 1: and either initiate a plan to get him gone, because
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Speaker 1: definitely he disappeared after that point. And I could see
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Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the soda park down there in that
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Speaker 1: part of Florida, and right there with a waterfront, it
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Speaker 1: would be easy to get to a boat in the
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Speaker 1: Bay and then come out of Tampa Bay and get
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Speaker 1: right into the Gulf and go anywhere from there. So
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Speaker 1: what do you think, Cheryl McCollum, Do you think they
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Speaker 1: were hatching a getaway spot from right there? There ain't
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Speaker 1: no doubt my mind. Of course. I think they went
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Speaker 1: to like you said, huddle up, be together, be without
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Speaker 1: any distractions. Nobody's coming to the door, because again they're paranoid.
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Speaker 1: They don't know when law enforces coming with a warrant.
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Speaker 1: They think it's coming any day, so they're hiding, so
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Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to know where they
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Speaker 1: are in that moment, so they can just have all
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Speaker 1: this time to plot, scheme and plan. There's no question.
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Speaker 1: For the minute he returned on the first to the seventh,
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Speaker 1: they're planning, and then he goes on the hiking trip
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Speaker 1: where they give him afore day head start. And let
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Speaker 1: me say one thing about Mexico. If he was headed
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Speaker 1: to Mexico, why would he drive all the way across
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Speaker 1: the state of Texas and never take a hard ride
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Speaker 1: and go there. Yeah, good point. Well, I think he
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Speaker 1: wanted to come home and huddle with mommy and daddy. Correct.
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Speaker 1: Don Michael Luise joining us from Fox Digital there on
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Speaker 1: the Saint Michael. Did they go camping there twice or once?
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Speaker 1: FA's that we're still trying to figure out. Now, we
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Speaker 1: had we had intelligence that we got basically handed over
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Speaker 1: to us and dogged the bounty hunter. If subjected they
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Speaker 1: went to wife, the time would have been on September
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Speaker 1: first to the third, right when he got back into town.
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Speaker 1: The second time we have confirmed is the sixth to
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Speaker 1: the eighth. Now, that first trip, their lawyer says they
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Speaker 1: booked it and then they canceled it, and then they
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Speaker 1: went back the next week. So we're still kind of
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Speaker 1: teasing that out. But if they had gone back twice,
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Speaker 1: that raises a lot more questions about what they were
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Speaker 1: doing in that campground. Guys, cycle is to our cut
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Speaker 1: one ninety eight. This is Mark Wilson, Fox thirteen, Tampa.
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Speaker 1: We are learning now about a new detail in the timeline.
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Speaker 1: After Brian Laundry returned to Northport. Fox thirteen has obtained
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Speaker 1: a copy of the registration logs for Fort de Soto
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Speaker 1: showing a ROBERTA. Laundry checking in to the park on
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Speaker 1: the sixth of September. Last week, neighbors told Fox news
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Speaker 1: that the Laundry family, Christopher and ROBERTA. Laundry and their
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Speaker 1: son Brian, appeared to go on a trip in a camper,
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Speaker 1: a new camper about a week after Brian got back
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Speaker 1: to Florida. Police say he returned in Gabby's van on
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Speaker 1: September first, and then a short time ago. The Laundry
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Speaker 1: family attorney confirmed all three members of the family went
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Speaker 1: camping at Fort de Soto on September sixth and left
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Speaker 1: on September seventh together. He says, they all left the park. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So Michael Luise, what do we know about a second
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Speaker 1: trip after that where they go back and then Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry is not seen again at the family home. So
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Speaker 1: we heard from the neighbors across the street. Their names
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Speaker 1: are Bill and Charlene, and they told us that they
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Speaker 1: saw the camper leaves and they saw the family come back.
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Speaker 1: And the timeline right that we've confirmed is we know
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Speaker 1: about the sixth of the eighth trip. We still don't
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Speaker 1: know about a separate trip. But the lawyer then said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: they went other campgrounds, not Fort Soto, So that raises,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's a different trail that we were still
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Speaker 1: looking into about where that might have where they might
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Speaker 1: have gone there. So you just got Morgan, are familiar
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Speaker 1: with the slips, well, the spots down on the water
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Speaker 1: where people can pull up with their camper. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about the particular spot that Roberto Laundry signed for. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the report out of Tampa lackt a one one thing
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Speaker 1: relative to when she signed in. It was actually slot
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Speaker 1: number one, Nancy. And when you make it through the
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Speaker 1: gate at DeSoto, you're going to kind of bear to
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Speaker 1: the left and continue on kind of westward and then
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Speaker 1: it will be right in front of it. It's actually
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Speaker 1: the first slot that's on the water. And let me
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Speaker 1: tell you what on the water means. It's beach front.
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Speaker 1: This place actually has a beach. Now keep in mind,
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Speaker 1: the rest of this island has we are referred to
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Speaker 1: as mangrove trees that kind of surround it. And they're beautiful.
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Speaker 1: If you've never I know that, maybe you've been on
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Speaker 1: a kayak trip, you know, down in Florida and you
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Speaker 1: can do and they cover you. It's like you're in
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Speaker 1: a tunnel. Yeah, but this this slip itself, slip number one,
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Speaker 1: it's spot number one, it's camping spot number one, it
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Speaker 1: didn't have mangroves. There's actually beach front right there. So
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Speaker 1: you know, to my contention yesterday I mentioned this, you
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Speaker 1: can go to any box store that you want to.
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Speaker 1: You can pick up a kayak if you don't, and
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Speaker 1: that kayak would fit easily within that camper along with
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Speaker 1: a paddle. You go there, it's on the beach. It's
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Speaker 1: easy to launch. You just kind of push off and
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Speaker 1: you're moving quietly, Nancy, And there's all of these little
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Speaker 1: keys out there that you can kind of plant yourself.
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Speaker 1: Now do I believe he's out there, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think it'd be kind of hard to get by
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Speaker 1: and and stay below the radar, but I know that
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Speaker 1: from that point you can launch out into open water. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the whereabouts so called boyfriend Brian Laundry.
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Speaker 1: More internet speculation has been focused on the mother of
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, Roberto Laundry, Cheryl McCollum. She has been captured
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Speaker 1: on video and photos as well many times as she
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Speaker 1: walks around with a cell phone. There is speculation that
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Speaker 1: cell phone is actually a burner phone. How would that
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Speaker 1: be visible a regular phone versus a burner phone? Well,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, and you can tell an iPhone
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Speaker 1: certain cases, you can you can see an android. So
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Speaker 1: they're going by, you know, the size and the shape
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Speaker 1: of it. I cannot tell whether or not it's a
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Speaker 1: burner phone the way she's holding it. But I tell
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Speaker 1: you what I do know. She's so worried about her
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Speaker 1: son and his whereabouts. When Dog the bounty hunter shows up,
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Speaker 1: she calls the police on him. This is somebody that's
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Speaker 1: looking for her son. You know, she's so worried about everything.
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Speaker 1: She won't answer calls from Gabby's family, she won't talk
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Speaker 1: to the police. She won't, you know, produce her son.
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Speaker 1: She won't produce his whereabouts. She won't say what she
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Speaker 1: knows about Gabby. You know, everything she has done points
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Speaker 1: to her having guilty knowledge of what her child possibly
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Speaker 1: we feel like definitly has done to Gabby, and she
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Speaker 1: has done nothing but try to protect him since he
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Speaker 1: showed up on the first, if not a little before that. Hey, Max,
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Speaker 1: So she does actually know how to doll nine one one? Right? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I would imagine she not only knows to have but
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Speaker 1: is willing to do it when it's somebody that's not
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Speaker 1: breaking the law at all crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Back to Michael Ruis joining us there in Florida. Tell
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Speaker 1: us what happened when Dwayne Chapman knocks on the laundry
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Speaker 1: door in his effort to help find Brian Laundry. Well,
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Speaker 1: you saw the video. He walked up, he knocked on
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Speaker 1: the door, he waited patiently outside. We know they were
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Speaker 1: home because we saw them pull up, and then we
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Speaker 1: haven't seen anybody leave. And ROBERTA. Laundry called nine one
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Speaker 1: Dog the bounty hunter to Jerry Cross. And if somebody
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Speaker 1: offered to find my missing son that I was rorried
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Speaker 1: could be committing suicide at that very minute, you think
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Speaker 1: would it make sense to call the cops on that
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Speaker 1: person offering to help find your son. Not at all.
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Speaker 1: I would be cooperating with everybody, including the dog. You
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Speaker 1: know what's also significant. Let me throw this out to
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Speaker 1: Dale Carson. You know we've talked about how criminals often
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Speaker 1: return to a scene or they committed crimes where they're comfortable,
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Speaker 1: and I like to use the example so obvious Scott
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Speaker 1: Peterson dumped Lacy and Connor's body where he goes fishing
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Speaker 1: all the time in San Francisco Bay So why would
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Speaker 1: you commit a crime or cover up a crime somewhere
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Speaker 1: where you're familiar, that you're used to, where you know,
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Speaker 1: if you think it through, cops are gonna look same
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Speaker 1: thing here. What do you make of the fact del
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Speaker 1: Carson that photos have emerged of Gabby Potito and Brian
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Speaker 1: laundry at Fort de Soto in February They were just
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Speaker 1: there a few months ago. Well, clearly he likes that area,
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Speaker 1: and you're entirely correct. Many individuals who commit crimes go
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Speaker 1: back to the scene they want to see what's going on.
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Speaker 1: But in this case, of course, he's able to know
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Speaker 1: that area pretty thoroughly, and there are a number of
20:57
Speaker 1: islands available. There's the possible and we talked about this
21:01
Speaker 1: before his departure for Cuba. I mean, all of those
21:05
Speaker 1: things are possible depending on how well connected the family
21:09
Speaker 1: is to individuals who have access to that sort of
21:12
Speaker 1: travel arrangement, and that's certainly possible. This is South Florida.
21:17
Speaker 1: There are many Cuban nationals down there, and it's certainly
21:20
Speaker 1: possible they would know how to arrange something like that
21:23
Speaker 1: that puts him out a harm's way. And that's why
21:25
Speaker 1: she is not very concerned about where he is or
21:30
Speaker 1: what his status is, because she's fully aware of what
21:32
Speaker 1: his status is. One more point, Nancy, the FBI. The
21:38
Speaker 1: government now uses a device called the sting ray, which
21:41
Speaker 1: emulates the cell phone tower. So if she's using a
21:44
Speaker 1: burner phone, that's no longer a mystery to the government.
21:48
Speaker 1: They can certainly listen into any of that data, particularly
21:51
Speaker 1: text messages sent from that device. One of the things
21:55
Speaker 1: that alerted me to that potential of him them communicating
21:59
Speaker 1: with him by email is during their trip to visit
22:02
Speaker 1: a lawyer up in Orlando, they stopped at a library,
22:07
Speaker 1: and as we all know, libraries have internet access that
22:10
Speaker 1: typically is not trackable, and so that's an indication they
22:14
Speaker 1: need be communicating with him through some mechanism that the
22:18
Speaker 1: FBI is not even able to access at this point.
22:22
Speaker 1: Guys taken listen to our cut one ninety nine. This
22:24
Speaker 1: is JJ Burton ABC action. Well, we don't know if
22:28
Speaker 1: Brian or even her husband was here with her. Their
22:31
Speaker 1: lawyer confirms all three did go on this trip together.
22:34
Speaker 1: The lawyer also says that Brian did come home with
22:37
Speaker 1: the family. Here's video action ERE one took above from
22:40
Speaker 1: Fort de Soto. This morning, we flew out here to
22:42
Speaker 1: see if we could see any police activity, and we didn't.
22:45
Speaker 1: We also reached out to the Panella's County Sheriff's office
22:47
Speaker 1: to get the surveillance video of the entrance and exits
22:50
Speaker 1: of the park, but the sheriff's office say they can
22:52
Speaker 1: give us the video because it's part of an active
22:54
Speaker 1: investigation with Northport PD and the FBI. We also found
22:58
Speaker 1: out that if Penella's County of chopper was circling above
23:02
Speaker 1: Fort de Soto Park last night between eleven forty pm
23:05
Speaker 1: until twelve forty am. We asked what they were doing
23:08
Speaker 1: out here, and we're told as part of an active
23:11
Speaker 1: investigation with Northport PD and the FBI. So Michael ruis
23:15
Speaker 1: joining us. They are taking the Fort de Soto tips
23:19
Speaker 1: and evidence. Seriously, they're out there with a chopper. Yeah. Absolutely,
23:23
Speaker 1: And you know I was there the other day when
23:25
Speaker 1: Dog was there. I was kind of shadowing his investigation,
23:27
Speaker 1: and we overheard park employees admitting that the FBI went
23:33
Speaker 1: to the park and looked at the surveillance video. So
23:35
Speaker 1: that surveillance video that they wouldn't release must show something
23:38
Speaker 1: that's part of this investigation. It must have something to
23:40
Speaker 1: do with the laundry family coming or going. So how
23:43
Speaker 1: what was the inception of report? Cheryl McCollum that the
23:46
Speaker 1: family went there not once but twice. That's the report
23:50
Speaker 1: that we've been given more than once. And I think
23:53
Speaker 1: Dog went there to look to see if he could
23:55
Speaker 1: find the paperwork where you have to sign in to
23:57
Speaker 1: go in. But this is something that's important to me
24:00
Speaker 1: to point out again about his parents. They have, through
24:04
Speaker 1: their lawyer, made all these different statements about you know,
24:08
Speaker 1: Gabby and this, that and the other. They have yet
24:10
Speaker 1: to make a plea to their son to turn himself in. Yeah,
24:15
Speaker 1: I'm interested about where you can go when you leave
24:20
Speaker 1: for DeSoto campgrounds, Joe got Morgan, Michael Ruis the whole
24:24
Speaker 1: panel when you leave. If you look at a map
24:28
Speaker 1: for Tosto Campgrounds, believe me, they weren't there just to
24:32
Speaker 1: grill out hot dogs. If you leave there by kayak
24:36
Speaker 1: or canoe or any kind of small watercraft, what's the
24:41
Speaker 1: first thing you encounter, Joe Scott Morgan. I know that
24:46
Speaker 1: there are the many islands. I don't think that that
24:49
Speaker 1: is feasible for him because he can't live there forever,
24:53
Speaker 1: and he would be spotted depending on the size and
24:56
Speaker 1: the nature of the topography. So what's after the islands?
25:00
Speaker 1: Lets you break out of the little inlet islands, what's next? Okay,
25:04
Speaker 1: this is going to be kind of a wild idea.
25:06
Speaker 1: But if if he no, if he went north out
25:11
Speaker 1: of that area, okay, and just stayed close to the coastline. Now,
25:15
Speaker 1: if he's in a kayak, he's gonna have hell beat
25:17
Speaker 1: out of him by the surf. But if he is
25:20
Speaker 1: out in steady water and he is heading north, okay,
25:24
Speaker 1: as you had north, you're gonna wind up coming close
25:28
Speaker 1: to Saint Pete. Okay, Saint Petersburg, Florida, and then beyond
25:32
Speaker 1: that you got Tampa. Now, my contention, one of the
25:37
Speaker 1: things I thought about is where can this guy go
25:40
Speaker 1: without a passport and blend in? And I think our
25:43
Speaker 1: friend Dale mentioned this other day, and I kind of
25:46
Speaker 1: agree with him to a certain degree. I think he
25:50
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to blend in with a homeless population.
25:53
Speaker 1: He could be under a bridge right now and Sara Soda, Tampa,
25:59
Speaker 1: and also of Saint Pete have large homeless populations. Do
26:02
Speaker 1: you know why it don't get cold down there, so
26:06
Speaker 1: it attracts a lot of homeless, so he could blend in.
26:09
Speaker 1: And I just think, and if you've got a polo
26:10
Speaker 1: cash with you, you stick in your pocket, you shave,
26:14
Speaker 1: keep your head, shave, shaved that beard off, get you
26:16
Speaker 1: some grungy clothes, go to Goodwill, do whatever you got
26:19
Speaker 1: to do, and you blend in. I don't see it.
26:23
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get him as far away
26:24
Speaker 1: and as quickly as possible. Cheryl Nancy, he's gone, I'm
26:28
Speaker 1: telling you. In other words, they check out of the
26:30
Speaker 1: campsite on the seventh. Did mom and Dad get home
26:33
Speaker 1: the eighth, the ninth? Do the neighbors know? Do we know?
26:36
Speaker 1: We don't know anything until the eleventh of September, so
26:39
Speaker 1: they could have been going anywhere in the meantime. Here's
26:43
Speaker 1: the other thing. Has he ever actually in person met
26:47
Speaker 1: with his attorney? I doubt it. They've never produced him
26:51
Speaker 1: in any way for anyone when he goes hike in.
26:55
Speaker 1: Remember mama waited four complete days before she reported him missing.
27:02
Speaker 1: They got a plan. He's gone. He's got a water source,
27:06
Speaker 1: he's got a food source, and he's got a shelter. Yeah,
27:10
Speaker 1: let's take a listen to our cute one seventy nine.
27:12
Speaker 1: Sandra Smiths on American Reports. The Daily Mail is reporting
27:16
Speaker 1: exclusively right now TJ that the best friend of Gabby
27:20
Speaker 1: Petito is saying Brian Laundry is quote well equipped. She
27:26
Speaker 1: believes to survive months in that twenty five thousand acre
27:30
Speaker 1: Florida nature reserve. She says, he's gone off the grid before,
27:35
Speaker 1: he's survived in these mountainous trains before by himself, and
27:39
Speaker 1: he certainly can do it again. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,
27:55
Speaker 1: so what do you need to survive under those circumstances?
27:59
Speaker 1: Out to you, Joe Scott Morgan, because I disagree that
28:02
Speaker 1: they've got him hiding in playing site. No way he's gone,
28:07
Speaker 1: question where and how did he get there? The reason
28:11
Speaker 1: I care about how he got there is because that
28:14
Speaker 1: might help me trace where he is now. Well, okay,
28:17
Speaker 1: the only other option you have if he's not on
28:19
Speaker 1: a boat is he's got to get to a thoroughfare
28:22
Speaker 1: and something else I'd entertain the other day, And again,
28:24
Speaker 1: this is kind of a crazy notion. What if they
28:26
Speaker 1: went to a box store and bought him a mountain bike.
28:29
Speaker 1: He's staying on back roads, he's traveling across the country.
28:32
Speaker 1: He's always in motion, always in motion. He's supposed to
28:35
Speaker 1: be this great fit, outdoorsman kind of guy. But again,
28:38
Speaker 1: if you're traveling down the road, you're gonna pass police units.
28:42
Speaker 1: And will the police units have the awareness to recognize
28:46
Speaker 1: this guy on a bike? You know, maybe he's got
28:48
Speaker 1: spandex on it. He's traveling down the road. He just
28:50
Speaker 1: looks like any other biker that's going down the road.
28:52
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking biker like motorcycle. I'm talking about
28:55
Speaker 1: like cross country biking. Is that a potential. He's got
28:59
Speaker 1: to get to a road way somehow. And the trick
29:02
Speaker 1: is what kind of conveyance did he use? You know,
29:04
Speaker 1: I mean where we're gonna say he hopped onto a train,
29:08
Speaker 1: you know, is that even possible any longer? I don't know.
29:11
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a roadway. If he's
29:12
Speaker 1: not on the water, he's got to be on a roadway.
29:14
Speaker 1: And listen, we all know, we've all been well most
29:17
Speaker 1: of us have been to Florida. It is a confluence
29:20
Speaker 1: of interstate highways. We've got seventy five, we've got ninety five,
29:24
Speaker 1: We've got all of these. It's there's multiple ways to
29:26
Speaker 1: get out of the state. You got ten of north.
29:29
Speaker 1: Think about it, Joe Scott. I don't see him renting
29:32
Speaker 1: a car and being on the interstate. You can't drive
29:35
Speaker 1: a bike on the interstate. But one thing about a bike,
29:39
Speaker 1: Dela Carson, is you'd be wearing a helmet. Your face
29:41
Speaker 1: would be obscured. One of the things we've experienced here
29:44
Speaker 1: in Florida is that people will rent storage sheds, you know,
29:49
Speaker 1: the commercial storage sheds, and you could live in there
29:52
Speaker 1: for a protracted period of time. You've no prefisely where
29:55
Speaker 1: your son is. You could stock him with all the
29:58
Speaker 1: food you needed. A could just sit there and wait
30:01
Speaker 1: until things calm down, and once they've calmed down, then
30:05
Speaker 1: he's able to move more freely. Guys, take a loads
30:08
Speaker 1: to our one eighty five. This is from the Schmitt
30:11
Speaker 1: family press conference. We have occurred from the Laundry family
30:15
Speaker 1: and we haven't been able to hear much from the
30:17
Speaker 1: FBI to can't share a lot with us about Brian's whereabouts.
30:20
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you can tell us about the
30:23
Speaker 1: efforts to find him, what the family thinks about where
30:27
Speaker 1: he might be and the Laundry family silence again for
30:34
Speaker 1: the Laundry silence. The laundries did not help us find Gabby.
30:38
Speaker 1: There's sure is not going to help us find Brian.
30:41
Speaker 1: For Brian, we're asking you to turn yourself in to
30:45
Speaker 1: the FBI or the nearest law enforcement agency. You know.
30:48
Speaker 1: That just breaks my heart to hear Gabby's family begging
30:52
Speaker 1: for laundry to turn himself in. Where that's where we're
30:55
Speaker 1: at right now, laundry out in the wind. God only
30:57
Speaker 1: knows where. Michael Rui's joining us from Florida. Michael, what
31:02
Speaker 1: is the best theory out there right now? And what's
31:04
Speaker 1: happening where you are? Well, well, I've heard a few theories.
31:07
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of experts about this and that,
31:09
Speaker 1: you know, everybody kind of has a different take. But
31:11
Speaker 1: one of the big ones is the Appalachian Trail. And
31:14
Speaker 1: one of the reasons is because he has a history
31:16
Speaker 1: of camping out there before. Now. You know, we know
31:19
Speaker 1: the Florida Swamp where they were looking for for a
31:21
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, very inhospitable. The Appalachian Trail, He's much
31:26
Speaker 1: more comfortable there and there are much less risks there,
31:29
Speaker 1: So if he's up there. I was speaking with sources
31:31
Speaker 1: today who told me, he could have been as far
31:33
Speaker 1: as North Carolina by now he's just hiking up the trail,
31:36
Speaker 1: laying low, staying off the beaten path. So that's one
31:39
Speaker 1: thing to look at. I really am interested in the
31:41
Speaker 1: Mexico connection because if they're looking at that park, the
31:45
Speaker 1: Fort Tonsota Park south of Saint Petersburg, all he needs
31:49
Speaker 1: is a boat and he can go in any direction
31:50
Speaker 1: he wants and we don't know where he is. So
31:52
Speaker 1: did he get a boat. That's a question that we
31:55
Speaker 1: need to answer. That's something we need to look at.
31:59
Speaker 1: Is the tide. And let me tell you why. If
32:01
Speaker 1: you remember when they attempted escape from Alcatraz in nineteen
32:04
Speaker 1: sixty two, Robert Schablin was an inmate in make thirteen
32:08
Speaker 1: fifty five, and he was the only person that could
32:11
Speaker 1: read tide tables, and back then the San Francisco Chronicle
32:15
Speaker 1: would publish them. He told the escape bees, you've got
32:19
Speaker 1: to hit this tide just right, and it will help
32:23
Speaker 1: you get to the island. Y'all are trying to get
32:25
Speaker 1: two to get out of here. If you don't hit
32:27
Speaker 1: it right, you're gonna be slammed up against the rocks
32:29
Speaker 1: and killed. So again by them going to that camp
32:32
Speaker 1: site twice. Possibly they were watching those tides. What kind
32:38
Speaker 1: of a watercraft would it be? Anybody on the panel
32:41
Speaker 1: jump in, because I don't see it being a kayak
32:45
Speaker 1: out in the open water. There's a lot of fishing
32:47
Speaker 1: boats raiding that air, especially commercial shrimping boats that come
32:51
Speaker 1: out of the Tampa Bay and they got access to
32:55
Speaker 1: the gulf and they do the deep line fishing, which
32:57
Speaker 1: puts them, you know, hundreds of miles out into the gulf.
33:00
Speaker 1: So there's only one thing that makes me think he's
33:03
Speaker 1: not in a boat, or if he wasn't a boat,
33:05
Speaker 1: he's no longer run a boat. It's not really his mo.
33:09
Speaker 1: We don't hear about him fishing or doing water sports.
33:12
Speaker 1: We hear about him as a survivalist in the woods.
33:16
Speaker 1: He's looking for an escape route right now. It's not worthing.
33:21
Speaker 1: He's got to get out of here. Okay, what do
33:23
Speaker 1: you make of that, Joe Scott? Yeah, but you know,
33:26
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this. I've been around a lot of
33:29
Speaker 1: shrimpers in my life, and I'm thinking or commercial fisherman.
33:32
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what commercial fisherman in his right mind would
33:36
Speaker 1: take this guy on board? Unless unless somebody gave him
33:39
Speaker 1: a fistful of cash. You know, money mitigates any problem,
33:44
Speaker 1: many times, not any problem, but many problems. Is that
33:48
Speaker 1: is that the case here? And again going back to
33:51
Speaker 1: what you had said, he is on terra firma, he's
33:55
Speaker 1: he's out walking somewhere. He is on the road. The
33:59
Speaker 1: question is where is he headed and what path did
34:03
Speaker 1: he take? Is he I don't think he's necessarily on
34:06
Speaker 1: an interstate road, Nancy, And keep in mind, Florida is
34:11
Speaker 1: replete Lea's damn toll booths. They're everywhere, you know, and
34:15
Speaker 1: they've got biometric well not biometrics, but they capture your picture.
34:20
Speaker 1: If he's not on that, he's got to be on
34:21
Speaker 1: country roads, back roads, getting on these county roads and
34:25
Speaker 1: kind of weaving his way through there. You know. What's
34:26
Speaker 1: interesting also to Michael Ruiz, whenever it's brought up to
34:30
Speaker 1: the family lawyer, the Laundrys lawyer says they don't know
34:33
Speaker 1: where he is. That may actually be true at this point, because,
34:38
Speaker 1: as Cheryl McCallum says, he has long gone. But I
34:42
Speaker 1: find it really hard to believe that mommy can cut
34:46
Speaker 1: those apron ties. I think she knows the direction where
34:49
Speaker 1: he's headed. I would be willing to bet that it's
34:52
Speaker 1: out West or the Appalachian Trail, because he loves camping
34:57
Speaker 1: out west. That's his forte. It came all the way
35:00
Speaker 1: across the country once he could do it again. He
35:03
Speaker 1: does have that background and a lot of experience, and
35:05
Speaker 1: you know, we can just see we can see from
35:07
Speaker 1: his social media and his camping review site that he's
35:11
Speaker 1: been at all of these places a lot, and they're
35:14
Speaker 1: certainly they're just not as dangerous as some of the
35:18
Speaker 1: places in Quarter where he might have been. And they're
35:20
Speaker 1: definitely not as dangerous as going to Mexico, you know,
35:22
Speaker 1: where there's a bounty on his head. Right, Why why
35:25
Speaker 1: wouldn't someone they're just grab him? Why would they let
35:27
Speaker 1: him hide out? You're kidding right in Mexico, they're not
35:31
Speaker 1: going to try to help us. You think so that
35:33
Speaker 1: there's thirty thousand dollars. I mean, if a regular person
35:36
Speaker 1: sees Brian laundry in a different country, you think they
35:40
Speaker 1: really know, Wow, there's a thirty thousand dollar reward for him.
35:45
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I mean, how long has a
35:47
Speaker 1: living in John's boyfriend been hiding out in Mexico? He's
35:50
Speaker 1: still hadn't been caught. He where's this big flop he had?
35:53
Speaker 1: Everywhere he goes, everybody sees him. He's never been turned in.
35:56
Speaker 1: Has he been turned in yet? So? And he's high profile.
35:59
Speaker 1: Everybody knows what he looks like, at least I do.
36:01
Speaker 1: So Laudry could easily hide out in Mexico. But how
36:05
Speaker 1: would he get there? Okay, that's a serious question, not rhetorical.
36:10
Speaker 1: How would he get there? This Dale? Look, Look, you
36:14
Speaker 1: know Craig's Lift and all of those buy here, shell
36:18
Speaker 1: here sort of software programs will allow you to buy
36:21
Speaker 1: a boat. You buy a boat with a forty five
36:25
Speaker 1: horse on it, and load it with fuel and just
36:27
Speaker 1: head right down up Texas and just close to the
36:30
Speaker 1: shore and all the way to Mexico if you wanted
36:32
Speaker 1: to go. Okay, sul McCollum, is there any way on
36:36
Speaker 1: God's green Earth that the mother is not in touch
36:39
Speaker 1: with him? Zero chance? And I'll pay you one more
36:42
Speaker 1: thing for people to think about. Remember when she finally
36:45
Speaker 1: reports him missing on the seventeen Yeah, that's the same
36:47
Speaker 1: day his sister decides to speak. The only person in
36:51
Speaker 1: the whole family that's broken silence is her. Why because
36:55
Speaker 1: she was the only person we weren't looking at. She
36:57
Speaker 1: was the only person nobody had thought of. Where had
37:00
Speaker 1: she been from the fourteenth to the seventeen? We wait
37:04
Speaker 1: as justice unfolls. Tipline one eight hundred called FBI one
37:09
Speaker 1: eight hundred, two two five five three two four. There's
37:12
Speaker 1: a thirty thousand dollar reward to bring in Brian laundry.
37:18
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,