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Patriots Unfiltered 11/6: Bears Preview, Wednesday Media Access, Practice Report · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Is Wednesday here at
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  Speaker 4: Jillette Stadium. We're getting ready for the Chicago Bears. Gerard
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  Speaker 4: Mayo had his Wednesday press conference where he turns the
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  Speaker 4: page to the opponent, changes the page and you know,
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  Speaker 4: no surprise. But he was very complimentary about Caleb Williams
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  Speaker 4: and his ability to extend plays and his athletic ability
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  Speaker 4: and all that, and said it'll be quite a challenge
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  Speaker 4: for them. And I'm sure it will.
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  Speaker 5: Be absolutely a lot of different things. Chicago has this
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  Speaker 5: this is Wednesday's our data turn the page too. However,
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  Speaker 5: that's on the field. Off the field, I think Chicago's
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of a mess. Yeah, yeah, that that
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  Speaker 5: Hail Mary has left a mark.
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  Speaker 4: Really.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's questions about the coach, Ibra Flus. I
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  Speaker 5: think is in some trouble, didn't get seemingly a lot
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  Speaker 5: of support from his players. This could be something to
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  Speaker 5: keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 4: Huh. Okay, yeah, I know that one of your shows
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  Speaker 4: they were talking about is Ebra Flues on the Hot Seat.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, as you say, the Zoe and the Beatle, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: talking about it right now. But yeah, I think DJ
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  Speaker 5: Moore is a guy who's, you know, it's been a
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  Speaker 5: really good veteran player. You know, his effort has been
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  Speaker 5: called into question a little bit. He went out of
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  Speaker 5: bounds on an early scramble by by Williams in the
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  Speaker 5: game against Arizona.
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  Speaker 4: He's been somewhat critical of of well, not not necessarily critical,
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  Speaker 4: but not really backing his coachy.
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  Speaker 5: You know. It's sort of like sometimes it's what you
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  Speaker 5: don't say, yeah, that tells you a story. So Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they're a little bit of a crossroads. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they have some talent offensively. I don't think that's overstated.
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  Speaker 5: I think Williams has a lot of ability. You know that.
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  Speaker 5: I like him more than probably most, but he's been
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  Speaker 5: a little erratic and he has good weapons to use.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the difference between right now him and May.
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  Speaker 5: I think that both of them has some questions with
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  Speaker 5: you know, the coaching that they're getting. Shane Waldron got
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  Speaker 5: there as the offensive coordinator. He's been under fire a
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  Speaker 5: little bit too. The offensive line is a mess. They
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  Speaker 5: get a lot of pass protection breakdown, just like Drake May.
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  Speaker 5: The difference is they have three three you know, Dj Moore,
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  Speaker 5: Keenan Allen, the rookie, Roma Dunze at wide receiver, Cole
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  Speaker 5: Comet at tight end, and DeAndre Swift at running back.
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  Speaker 5: So I would say that core of offensive options is
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  Speaker 5: better than the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So that's where I think Drake May is a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of a disadvantage. And Drake May has played better
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  Speaker 5: with less.
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  Speaker 4: And he's had a few more extra games. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so I would say on paper, their offense looks a
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  Speaker 4: little bit better than the Patriots offense. But as we know,
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  Speaker 4: the offenses don't play against each other, you know, so
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  Speaker 4: how do you think we match up defensively against them?
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  Speaker 5: Or I would worry about Swift? Yeah, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: just not trying to like split the atom here, just
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  Speaker 5: based off of what the problems have been over the
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  Speaker 5: last say, six or eight game games. Swift has been
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  Speaker 5: as productive as any running back in the league over
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  Speaker 5: the last month or so, both as a pass catcher
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  Speaker 5: in a runner. And the Patriots are we talked about
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  Speaker 5: it yesterday, of about one hundred and sixty or more
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  Speaker 5: yards on the ground in for the last five games,
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  Speaker 5: So that to me is a major concern.
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  Speaker 4: It seems to not get better as the game goes by,
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  Speaker 4: almost sometimes gets worse. So that's something that we'll have
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  Speaker 4: to look at. Is will the Patriots be able to
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  Speaker 4: stop the run? And on the other side, establishing the
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  Speaker 4: run has been non existed as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and now that's an area of Chicago struggles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you know, their defense is pretty good, but their run
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  Speaker 5: defense hasn't been very good. They're down in the lower
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  Speaker 5: five anyway. I think they were twenty eighth against the run,
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  Speaker 5: So maybe this is a week that you can turn
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  Speaker 5: it around a little bit with Formadre Stevenson.
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  Speaker 4: Yep okay, and then trade deadline is over, Patriots made
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  Speaker 4: some kind of roster moves, more less trades, but more
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  Speaker 4: more kind of roster moves.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they they sent out one of those linemen, uh
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  Speaker 5: that they picked up on waivers, Zach Thomas, one of
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  Speaker 5: the guys, one of the four that they claimed on
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  Speaker 5: the eve of the regular season. They let him go
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  Speaker 5: yesterday and they brought in and now I don't have
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  Speaker 5: the name in front of me, the gentleman's name that
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  Speaker 5: they brought in, but he's an interior. The guy that
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  Speaker 5: they just signed is an interior lineman. So they're still
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  Speaker 5: searching in there to Freddy you know, you know, we
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  Speaker 5: know it's been you know, a when who in and out.
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  Speaker 5: It's been Michael Jordan left left guard, Leyden Robinson sort
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  Speaker 5: of struggling a little bit at right guard. City so
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  Speaker 5: had had some snaps at left guard. He's been in
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  Speaker 5: and out. They're still looking for answers there. And I
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  Speaker 5: think that's where the latest edition is a is.
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  Speaker 4: A guard Monty Rice. They signed linebacker. Yeah, that's They
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  Speaker 4: released Zach Thomas and they signed enter Brian Hudson.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think they released him off the practice squad.
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  Speaker 4: Did they not release them? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: they only signed Monty.
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  Speaker 5: Is another guy that they signed the day before. That's
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  Speaker 5: not all the day before. Maybe it's not official official yet, okay,
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  Speaker 5: and that's why we didn't get a release on it.
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  Speaker 4: But that could be.
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  Speaker 5: But the Twitter machine had them signing a guy two
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  Speaker 5: days ago. I can't remember his name, Okay, I apologize.
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  Speaker 5: When Mike gets here, he'll he'll fill you in with
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  Speaker 5: the details.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, but it's not that consequential for this game coming up.
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  Speaker 5: No, he's a guy they signed off for someone else.
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  Speaker 5: It's another guy they signed off for someone's practice squad,
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  Speaker 5: I believe.
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  Speaker 4: So what do you what do you think they'll go
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  Speaker 4: with in terms of the offensive line this game? You
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  Speaker 4: know where they go back to where they were two
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  Speaker 4: games ago?
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  Speaker 5: So do you stick with Michael Jordan or do you
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  Speaker 5: give City so another opportunity?
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  Speaker 9: Right?
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  Speaker 5: I think that all those things, I would definitely have
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  Speaker 5: Trey Jacobs at right tackle and Michael Winnu that I
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  Speaker 5: that I feel pretty you know, I feel pretty strongly
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  Speaker 5: about that because I think a win who was a
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  Speaker 5: better guard than tackled. He struggled at both, but he's
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  Speaker 5: a better guard than tackle the other. The other guard,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Except for grabs and then Ben Brown sticks at center.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I think that that's the way
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  Speaker 5: it shapes up right now. And then you got a
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  Speaker 5: hope Badarian Lowe is physically up for it to stay
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  Speaker 5: at left tackle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's no like, it's not like they have
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  Speaker 5: five guys that you look, if they could just get
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  Speaker 5: these five out on the floor, out on the floor
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  Speaker 5: on the field, we're gonna be okay. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: they have that. I don't think they have that kind
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  Speaker 4: Anything else? So anything we need to talk about before we.
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  Speaker 5: Just I'm trying to remember everything. So we heard from Hunter, Henry,
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  Speaker 5: Drake May, and Dietrich Wise. I did not hear from
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  Speaker 5: Why because I left to make sure I was at
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  Speaker 5: the show on time. I just I come away and
• 10:29
  Speaker 5: I walked in and I said to you, I just
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  Speaker 5: really like Drake May a lot, like just I like
• 10:34
  Speaker 5: I like his sort of aura, Like I like the
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  Speaker 5: way he presents himself. It just seems like and I
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  Speaker 5: know this sounds like patronizing, but I just feel like
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  Speaker 5: he's a good kid and they are kids, dos I
• 10:47
  Speaker 5: mean let's face it. Yeah, they're a lot younger than us,
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  Speaker 5: so they're just kids. I mean, he's only a couple
• 10:53
  Speaker 5: of years older than my oldest son. So I just
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  Speaker 5: feel like he clearly came from a good family with
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  Speaker 5: good values, and he comes across that way. And I
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  Speaker 5: know that sounds like really corny and who cares can
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  Speaker 5: he play? You know? I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: guys in the league that came from a good background,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, I you know, Caleb Williams is really
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  Speaker 5: tight with his dad, right, That's that was supposedly one
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  Speaker 5: of the problems. His father was too involved, right you know,
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  Speaker 5: Like doesn't mean that either one of these guys are
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  Speaker 5: going to be successful and be able to play. But
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  Speaker 5: I just I kind of like the way that Drake
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  Speaker 5: May presents himself.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, one of the stories that Drake May
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  Speaker 4: when he was drafted is his family and the fact
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  Speaker 4: that he had all those brothers, similar to you know, Gronk,
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  Speaker 4: and when you have all those brothers, you can't help
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  Speaker 4: but be competitive.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and heaving Mason Rudolph. I think we
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  Speaker 5: said this yesterday, but like having him say because I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if people realize they talked about this during
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  Speaker 5: the broadcast, that there's a connection there. He was very
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  Speaker 5: good friends with Drake's older brother, I think Luke when
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  Speaker 5: they were growing up, So Mason, Rudolph and Drake may
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  Speaker 5: have known each other for a long time, even though
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  Speaker 5: Rudolph is older. But Mason Ruodolf said, you know, it
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  Speaker 5: was pretty clear that Drake was the best athlete of
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  Speaker 5: the family. And to me, that spoke volumes that's a
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  Speaker 5: very athletic family that's been very successful at high levels
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  Speaker 5: in different sports, basketball and baseball. Yeah, so to have
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  Speaker 5: a guy from the outside say, oh, yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 5: good family, that's a lot of good athletes, but this
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  Speaker 5: guy was the best athlete. Yeah, pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Well we're starting to see that, yeah, I mean we're
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  Speaker 4: starting to see his mobility and the way he just
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  Speaker 4: you know, scoots around the field there. You know.
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  Speaker 5: It's yeah, you know, and you know, Henry talked a
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  Speaker 5: little bit about you know, that play at the end,
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  Speaker 5: and he was like sort of very critical of himself,
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  Speaker 5: which I liked, Yeah, because he's like, you got bounced
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  Speaker 5: back and can't get knocked out bounced there, it's not
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  Speaker 5: a good play, he said. I know, people have been
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  Speaker 5: trying to give me credit for being heads up. It's
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  Speaker 5: not a good play, but you know what had happened.
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  Speaker 5: I think that he's also being a good teammate there,
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  Speaker 5: because then moments later you hear from May and May says, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of think I had him right away on
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  Speaker 5: that play on the initial you know, I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 5: had to go through all that to have to score.
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  Speaker 5: He probably missed him on an initial read. So I
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  Speaker 5: kind of liked the way that they talked about themselves
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  Speaker 5: rather than they were critical of themselves, rather.
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  Speaker 4: Than sure they went over that tape already. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and they pointed it out. So but again, we talked
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  Speaker 4: about it yesterday. This is why we all pushed for
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  Speaker 4: May to play, so that he could have experienced these
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  Speaker 4: scenarios and learn from them.
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  Speaker 5: And it's exactly right. It's like a it's riding on
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  Speaker 5: a curve. Like the game that he played the other day.
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  Speaker 5: I think you could make a strong argument that there
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  Speaker 5: was a lot of good stuff in Yeah, if the
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  Speaker 5: same game gets played two years from now, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: going to talk about the good stuff. I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: talk about the bad stuff, right because after you know,
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  Speaker 5: twenty five thirty starts. Those kinds of things shouldn't be
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  Speaker 5: happening anymore. You learn now, you learn.
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  Speaker 4: You try not to repeat your errors. So so so
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  Speaker 4: it's all good there, It's all good, baby. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: Patriot's Nation is very nervous right now.
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  Speaker 5: Why is Patriot Nation nervous?
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  Speaker 4: They're nervous because the team seems to have taken a
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  Speaker 4: step backwards, not just from where they were last year,
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  Speaker 4: but from that where they were at the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: the season. And they're nervous because they're not quite confident
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  Speaker 4: that they have the people in the front office to
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: do the job of rebuilding this team.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I think the last part of that is a
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: fair concern, like do we have to do we pick
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: the right guys? And you don't know, I mean, even
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: if you're fully confident that they did, you don't know
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: that Mayo and Wolf is going to be the combination
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: that works. So I get that. Do you think that
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: they've taken a step back from last year?
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  Speaker 4: From last year? I do on defense, and I know,
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: like a lot a lot of last year's defensive stats
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: were yeah, a little bit down, but from a depth standpoint,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: game to game they were in better shape last year.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, not again not to make excuses, but
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  Speaker 4: it is what it is. They're under manned. They don't
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: have the horses on defense. They just don't.
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  Speaker 5: See. Like I said, I'm not going to bog the
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  Speaker 5: show down by telling you that I don't think this.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's much different. I really don't like.
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  Speaker 5: They played large you know, the last what thirteen games
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  Speaker 5: last year without judaon and Gonzales I know, you know,
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: without Marcus Jones, but with a lot of guys that
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: weren't there last year either. Now, the big difference this year.
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  Speaker 4: Is is bar more but and Bentley.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm talking about like the real standout players.
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  Speaker 5: You have Gonzales in, Marcus Jones now in your secondary
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  Speaker 5: and it's not really any better.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, they just, you know, just they except
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  Speaker 4: for in the early in the season when they were
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  Speaker 4: getting blown out for a couple of games, they were
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  Speaker 4: able to keep the score down, you know, and they
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: finished in the top of the you know, last year
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  Speaker 4: they finished in the top of the league, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in points allowed, and you know, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what's the top of the league, eleventh, It's a
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  Speaker 5: lot better than you know. Yeah, I mean I just
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: feel like, like I said, I don't want to what
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  Speaker 5: they're saying. I just feel like people have not used
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  Speaker 5: any nuance when talking about the numbers, like saying that
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: they lost ten to seven to the Giants with Tommy
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  Speaker 5: DeVito playing quarterback, Like you're not really telling the whole story. No,
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  Speaker 5: but do you know what I mean? Like, well, just
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  Speaker 5: it only allowed ten points? No, but but I mean
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  Speaker 5: Gardner minshew, they only allowed ten like you didn't see, Like, No,
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  Speaker 5: the run defense of the run defense is absolutely valid.
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  Speaker 5: Step back, that's.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Valid, you know. So I look at things like that
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: and it worries me. But again, you have to be
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: fair and say, okay, would they be better with Bentley
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: and Barmer in there?
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: Probably because I would also say.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Lawrence guy isn't there anymore? You know match you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: well judn wasn't really there last year either, but they're
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: just under manned.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that it's it's absolutely fair to
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: say it's a step back the run defense. I also
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: think the nuance counts there too. You know. Again, I'll
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: go back to the Giants game. So they play the Giants,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: and what's the main weapon on the Giants last year,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley. Well, I can shut him down because I
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: have no fear of Tommy DeVito. Now here's where I'll
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: be fair about it. Yes, there is nuance, and they
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: might be said, I don't think this team right now
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: would shut down Saquon Barkley with a backup, with a starter, whatever,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: because they haven't really been able to do that. So
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: that's fair to say that they've taken a step back.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I would say in run defense, I think that there
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: was a line of thought that this defense will keep
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: you in every game, and I think that was wishful thinking.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And the other thing I think people are just you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: just annoyed with is other than may this draft is
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: not producing any contributors, starting with Polk, who I thought
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: was you know, a pretty much of a shut thing
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: at least to be an adequate you know receiver.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a lot of questions about that. Today,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: you know, they have seven wide receivers on the active roster,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: which is high, particularly when you're not really getting a
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: tremendous amount of production from them. And then Polk in particular,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: and you know, I thought Mayo talked about that a
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: little bit. He used the same anecdote that he's using
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: the past about you know how sometimes rookies can struggle,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: and he got benched on third downs early in his
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: you know, early in his career in a game in
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: San Francisco, and he felt like he had a pretty
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: good rookie year. He mentions, you know, I ended up
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: being a Rookie of the Year that year and he
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: went through it. So I think, I think, if you're
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: a Patriots fan, that's got to be your hope that
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: this is just part of the growing process and maturation
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: for Jalen Polk, and this isn't the end. I've been like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: you guys know that I was not overly all aboard
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: the who Who Jalen Polk train, But that doesn't mean
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I'm saying like, let's, you know, closed the book on
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Jalen Polk. He's a bust. He's done. No, it's only
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: nine games, and I've seen guys get off the slow
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: starts before and be able to rebound.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was listening to one of your guys in
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: the This Morning on the radio, Mark Daniels, and he
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: was talking about how, in his opinion, in camp like
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Polk was a standout, like he never dropped the ball
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: and always seemed to make a play, you know, per practice.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: I heard that he was shocked.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I, like I said, I didn't see
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: it that way. I saw a lot of short, little
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: catches that were kind of man and that's all we saw.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: That's all we really saw. I didn't see a lot
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: of separation. I saw good hands. The thing that's really
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: surprised me is that he's me dropped a couple. He
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: hasn't dropped a lot. Yeah, I think that's been overblown
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: a little bit, but he's dropped. He had a couple
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: of easy drops, and that surprised me because he had
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: really good He showed really good hands, strong hands. I
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: mean I thought in camp.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Like I'm trying to remember, but like the first few
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: games he did okay, and then something regulars.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, No, he's never had any success in the regular season.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I thought, he doesn't even have one hundred yards.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: No, I know, but I thought starting out like he
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: had a few catches.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he had like three catches for fourteen yards like
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: stuff like that. No, like he has not made any plays,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: but something happened and yeah, he's fighting something from a confidence.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's Bill blasts or you know.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: I do think he's fighting something.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not just the drops, it's the it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: the mistakes you crack me on. It's you know, like
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: you get on the field for two plays and.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: That's when you know a guy is fighting it mentally
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: because he's thinking about everything he's doing. He gets a
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: holding penalty, he's trying to block a on a wide
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: receiver screen. He gets a holding call. He gets a
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: shift penalty, which seems to be a problem for all
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: the receivers. But again, I'm not ready to just say,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Jalen Polk, is you know this is a wasted pick.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: I'm not ready to say that. I need to see
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: some more.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: But they're they're looking at him, they're looking at the
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: the they're all sign that they picked.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: So I'll tell you what they're looking at too, is
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: what's hurt in Polk is there are guys that were
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: picked around him that are contributing. They're not no one's
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: you know, blowing doors off or anything. But we talked
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: about some of those guys, Xavier Leaguet, Xavier Worthy, Kean Coleman,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Lad McConkie. These are all guys that were taken within
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: three or four slots of where the Patriots originally sat
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: in the second round, and they decided to move down.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: They I think personally they tried to move up to
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: get Lee get and you know, they weren't able to
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: pull it off, so then they moved down. So in
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: moving down, the one guy that they passed on is
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: your guy McConkie, Ladd McConkie, who's been okay. He's I
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: think he's got like four hundred and fifty yards or so,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: you know in his rookie year, So it gets open.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: That's pretty good production, you know. And he's playing for
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: a good team too. It's not like he's putting up
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: plastic yards. I mean the Chargers are playing in pretty
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: well well.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: So that has Patriot's Nation nervous. Is the rebuild seems
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: other than May there wasn't a lot of building.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: And that's not enough, Like I understand, like the quarterback
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: is the only thing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Like you, if.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: You asked me to decide, if I had to pick,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: it's a good pu topic. If you had to pick,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: you get a really good draft class. Polk and Baker
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: are good, Wallace and Robinson are good, like these are
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: really good players, but May's a bust or May's a
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: really good player, and you don't get much from the rest.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Of course, I take May, would you he's the quarterback? Yeah?
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: For me, it's easy. And I think people might argue
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: with you on that.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: But why can't I Why can't I have May and
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: one or two others? You know what I mean? Like that? No,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: but to me, it's not a dilemma. You know, you
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: got May great.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Now you need to have a couple of those guys
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: lablished themselves as stars.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: It should be less difficult to pick guys at other
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: positions than the quarterback and be successful. You know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think I think there's a good
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: study that could be done on that. I would push back.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: I think there's plenty of misses at all positions.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Well that's why. But but when you're missing quarterback, there's
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: only one of them and now you have to.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Right and it's and it's a glaring thing. You could
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: say that when when the quarterback misses and a tackle misses,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: you know, it's pretty you know, it can be pretty
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: obvious both ways. But who do you think people remember?
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Right? You know, the quarterback all right, let's get to
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: the tpx hutline. We'll start with Eldred in North Carolina.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: What's up Eldred heyd Hey in Nashville. I was with
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Trey in Melvin and they were like, oh, we gotta
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: meet Aldred.
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: Melvin, me and mend But I like to meet Trey
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: y'all too.
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: I would like to do that also.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Trey was saying, I gotta meet up. I gotta
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: meet Aldred.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: You were missed, biggie. They were missing you. They wanted
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: to see you.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: I wish I could have made it there, but I
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: don't know. But what my end is, I can't get
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: to Nashville if I take the long way around. Yeah, okay, well,
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: because forty forty is still knocked off from that hurricane
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: without twenty six going.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: To Tennessee and you're a banded most of the other roads.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: So that's you know, right, too much honky in of
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: the horn, right, yeah, too much radio listening.
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: But Fred, I agree agree the rest of past nations.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: I don't trust people in the front offs to rebuild
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: because two of those guys being with the other regimes,
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: and to me, like I said during the draft, besides
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: Mate and Paul. You know I didn't want that pig either,
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: but I also say, if you show, I'll come around.
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: I'm coming around.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: You did, and you're being fair about it. Absolutely. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: remember you saying that, Yes, if I.
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: Wanted a d Mitchell or if we couldn't get him
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: or somebody like you know, but I can't understand why
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: I see people through make some moves, you know, Bith Brown,
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: fourth rown, popping forth from field, retell me Elliott Wolf
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: couldn't find a certable tackle, not a started tackle, but someone,
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: you know, better than what we got for at least
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: a third, fourth round or fifth crown pick. You know.
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: You gotta be somebody somewhere on the online that's like that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: And I think that jackson be gone, Well, not that
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: Jacksonville guy, but the Minnesota guy says Darius gone. You know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: I think they got another one. That young guy's still there,
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: and I know he's work in progress, but he's got
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: to be better than what we got because they picked
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: him in the second or third round. Gotta be.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: But I'm like past Nation, man, I'm a little nervous too, okay,
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: because Wolf supposed to go like a pack of wide
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: receivers but I ain't never seen pack with wide receiver
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: beside six two and float. Besides, those are just somewhere
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: else now anybody else. They can block, they can run,
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: they get over, they got speed, and I never so
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: you know, if he took the pack of way pick
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: these two guys. And I didn't like Folk anyway. If
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: he's down, hope for a Tuesday. But I know we
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: were gonna get him, and I'll let you go from them.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: You'll have a good one, all right, thanks, Eldred.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a lot of the stuff that Aldi
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Jeff said. I do remember him talking about like he
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: didn't he wasn't a huge may guy, but he did say,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: you know, listen, if if he comes in he plays, well,
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I'll i'll, I'll jump on board. And he did not
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: like the selection of Polk when they made it. So
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: and you know, like I said, the jury's still out.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: And he mentioned something we talked about yesterday that this
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: front office regime was there when Bill was there. Uh
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: so are we getting more of the same? And the
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: question we raised and we don't know the answer to it,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: is what say did they have during that regime? And
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: are they now? You know, obviously they have the ability
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: to now make those decisions. But it's the mindset different
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: right now than it used to be. And right now
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the results are maze good and everybody else is not.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: So it's still it's still I am not on the
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: let's fire everybody bandwagon, which I've heard, I've heard clear
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: out the front office.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not on that either. I have my reservations,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: just like you said, like with some people you know
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: or not are unsure. But I feel like that's a
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: bad cycle to get on. Yeah, like we're going.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: To hire me now, you're the team that you make
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: fun of.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: We're going to hire people and we're going to cycle
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: through them in one year. Now, there's a fine line
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: because if you decide, if you get to a point
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: where you're like, this isn't the guy, then you need
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: to be aggressive and pull the trigger. I just don't.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: I just don't think they we're there yet.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: No, we're not there yet.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And to me, it would be more about some
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: of the stuff that you see off the field, sort
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: of a lack of organization, a lack of direction. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you everything has been perfect in that regard.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: You know, we talked about the overtime taking into the wind.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: So I'm not telling you everything has been buttoned down,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: you know, perfect, But I haven't seen, you know, the
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: kind of insubordination that you see sometimes. I think, like
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I said, I think she's seen some signs of that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: In Chicago, Jerrod kind of had an admission of bad
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: mistakes while at the same time saying, I'm the one
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: that has to make the decision, and you know, you
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: don't have to agree with it. But he did mention today,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: you know, first time, you know, I feel I need
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: to get better in you know, uh, situational decisions, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: as I see more, I'm you know, I'm going to
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: get better. So that was without saying it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Maybe that was a really good question. I think it was.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Andrew Callen.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: It might have been a mission. I don't know if
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: we're in particular to that wind decision, but maybe that
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: was on his mind as well, because I'm sure he's
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: doing self scouting as well. Yeah, and knows that I
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: can be back.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: I'd be curious to see how that decision was made. Yeah,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: is there someone that you know is in charge of
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: you know, Okay, so the wind, the wind is going
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: this way. Hey, the wind patterns have changed or whatever.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Is there someone in charge of.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: That but see or is it just I don't know
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: what he was talking about, because the wind pattern did
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: not change.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: But I have had people tell me on the field
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: that there wasn't much wind. I've had people in the
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: press boxes that there was a significant wind. It was,
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: you know, like ten miles an hour like I'm sure.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Like it came and went. But I was you know, again,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I wrote it down in the blog, so I have
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: record of it. I'm not this is in hindsight. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: noticed a very stiff wind going from left to right
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: as you look at the Patriots bench. Then I looked
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: up and saw the flag, which verified that. I made
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: note of that, you know. And and then later on
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I did not see that flag ever go down, ever
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: go limp.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: So you don't want the flag.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: We don't want the flag to go limp. No, so
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: and then he said that after the game, and I
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: was like, hmm, that's that's doesn't sound right to me.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: So I and I do. I. You know, I gave
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: a lot of praise to Drake May for how he
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: handles himself. I think that was a very minor but
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: maybe the first and only example of a misstep for
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: him talking about that throw into the wind, because I
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: don't think that would have been a huge topic of
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: conversation had he not said that. Do you do you
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: think people would have gonna be saying, what are they
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: doing that? Like the broadcast didn't mention it.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: You're right, you're right, and that's radar, And yes it did.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: You're right, you're absolutely right. He said it right after
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: the game, and you know, seeing it live, I didn't
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: know that. It didn't seem to me like that was
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: a wind affected throw. It seemed to me like I'm
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: not sure it was.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: But that's not the point.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, but just looking at it, it didn't
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: seem that way. It just seemed like he didn't see
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: the center fielder. You know.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's how I saw it. I know, Evan said,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: he felt said.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: That I believe it. I believe in his mind that
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: ball was affected.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: No, but my point is, when you're the quarterback hits you,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: it's on you. And then I think.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: He he said it was a bad decision the next day. No, no, no,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: he said right after the game, he said that was
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: that was a bad decision.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Me because of throwing into the wind.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Whatever he said, he didn't put enough on it into
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: the winds.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: But he said it was a bad decision.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he really backtracked the following day, saying
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: the wind didn't have anything to do with that. It
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: was a bad play by me. But you know, I'm paraphrasing,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: but I did like that he did that the day after.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: But just going back, you know, it's it can come
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: off as excuse making. I don't take it that way.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: How do we know that the next day he wasn't
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: talked to about you know, it was the coach's decision
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: to go that way. You're you're undermining your coach by saying.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: That, Oh, that would be that would be my guest.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that because you know, one of
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the great things about talking to players right after the
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: game is you get what they're really thinking sometimes. And
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I think he really did think that the wind affected
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: that throw.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: Oh I'm sure he did. Yeah, but don't you think
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: that's an excuse Even if it did affect the throw,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: it's it's an excuse, right.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Well, but he said it was. But he followed that
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: up with saying it was a bad decision by me
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: right to throw that throw because of the wind, like
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I should have known better.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's an excuse. I think that's bad.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Like I think that. I think that's an Aaron Rodgers
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: like response. Now, Aaron Rodgers has twenty years of blaming
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: other people and the things and other factors. This is
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: like a half of minor one little thing by Drake
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: May that I'm completely ignoring.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I kind of look at it. I
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: knew the wind was against me. That was a bad decision.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: But so it's not a bad decision you threw into
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: double coverage. It's bad decision you threw into double coverage
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: into the window. That's kind of like my point, like, yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: he might God have gotten it there if it wasn't
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: for the wind. Right, Okay, like it now again.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it was a
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: bad decision to go that direction.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: On the toss.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Correct, That's what it comes down. And I just wonder
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: back to square one here, I just wonder what went
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: into the process. Did did Girod just say like at
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: one o'clock the wind is going this way, and we're
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: going to do this and then at four point fifteen,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: he just said, well, you know whatever we already determined
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: at one o'clock whatever, like, because either way it's bad.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Like if it did change and he didn't take it consideration,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: it's bad if it didn't change and he still went
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: into the wind knowingly, that's bad too, you know, And
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: I like part of it. I put on like it's
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: the coach's decision. Did he actually tell Joe Cardona, if
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: we lose the toss, we're going this way or that way?
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I was going to say that, but I said, allow,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: that seems so ridiculous that you don't have that.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: I tho where you go out for the toss because
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: we have been here for twenty five years and we
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: know that that would be ridiculous. But we're just like
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: everybody else. Now, as you said a little while ago,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know if everything every.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Little given the directions if we lose the toss, this
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: is direction we want to, Like.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: We know Matthew Slater was always told, but all your
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: scenarios ID.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Like Joe's been out there for tosses before, like even
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: he should know you know which way we're gonna go, Coach.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: It's a great point.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Or maybe the excitement of that last play was just
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: still so much that it was an oversight, I don't know.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Or maybe the win wasn't that big of a factor. Yeah,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: or maybe and it didn't matter right.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Right, Uh, let's go to Chris in New Hampshire. What's up, Chris, Hey.
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: Fellows, how are you doing good? I won't say Fred,
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: thank you very much. I've incorporated the Fred Smiff into
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: my life and since then I've had the courage to
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: post my girlfriend to start my own company. So I
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: really appreciate you show me that power move.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: It's absolutely a power move. Good job by you. I
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: like it, so thank you very much for sure.
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: And if mister Craft is listening, Paul Priuliu needs a
• 36:12
  Speaker 13: new car. The PU crew have been the most entertaining
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: part of this team for going on but five years.
• 36:19
  Speaker 13: And if Paul can't get to work, that's gonna pick
• 36:22
  Speaker 13: the team.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Well, the letters can go to one Patriot Place.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: I love this campaign postmarket.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: I feel like you know, like.
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: You guys are great?
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: Thank you?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Chris.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: That high school teacher that everybody like rallies around, I feel.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Like that Yeah, you're gonna walk out one day and
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: it's just start crying. We're all going to be start crying. Yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: we'll put it on me. I get emotional, We'll put
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: it on the social media. Speaking of emotional, Hey.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Look who's back from the locker room? What was the mood?
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: Zoom out, Mike, what was it like the locker room?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: What was it like in the.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Wistful kind of you know, I found myself kind of
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: humming it the other day? Hey, indeed, so Mike, what
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: was it like?
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: It was a pretty standard day. I wouldn't say there
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: was overwhelming energy or things usually we get in I
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: feel like wenesdayse guys are coming out of meetings and resetting,
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: so not a lot of you know, hanging around guys
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: getting ready for practice. We did hear from Christian Gonzalez,
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: Vaderian Lowe, and Kendrick Bourne. I really like Vederian low
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: I just he's just really accountable. He says the things
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: that I feel like you're thinking when he's like, yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: you know, we had the run game. We felt like
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: going early and it's an attitude we've got to get
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: back to it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 15: You know.
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: He was accountable on a lot of the mistakes that
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: you know happened some of the run you know, specific
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: run game questions that were asked to him. So I
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: just like how accountable he is.
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: I know it's it's been up and down for him
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: and a lot of injuries have affected him. But I
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: think all the guys are saying the right things right now.
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: You know, it's just a year two and seven. It's
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: you're up against it and you only keep pressing certain buttons.
• 38:05
  Speaker 16: Over and over again.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: So you know, I guess urgency is the thing of
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: the week.
• 38:09
  Speaker 16: That's what Jarrod said at the top. It felt like
• 38:11
  Speaker 16: a lot of the guys are like, we got to
• 38:12
  Speaker 16: be urgent every week.
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: So they're all very aware of where they're at, what's
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: going right, what's going wrong right now? And yeah, it's
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: just overall though, felt like kind of a standard day.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: And so some of our fans may not realize this
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: is a new thing this year, but cameras are no
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: longer allowed in the locker room. If you want to
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: do a video interview with somebody, you make a request
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: and they they walk them across the hall to the
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: old to the REVS locker room. Revolutionary in the building.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: It's the locker room that they use, so it's a
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: separate room. Have you been in that room? And what's
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: the vibe in the camera room?
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: Oh, it's it's definitely different because, as you guys are
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: well aware, the camera men are a little different there.
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: You know, some salty dogs in there. Of course, you
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: know our steamed colleague. I guess Dan roach Of he's
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: on all access, right, we can call him a colleague. Yeah,
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: he's always in there asking questions. He makes fun of
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: me a little bit though, as I lurk, which I
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: like to, you know, listen and I walk around a
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: little bit. You know, Dan's right in the middle there
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: firing off the questions. But yeah, all the cameras are
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: set up, you know, they're already. They're all just kind
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: of sitting around waiting instead of standing in the middle
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: of the locker room waiting.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Different for different vibe in the camera room than the lock.
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: I think it is a different vibe because you don't
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: have to have your head on a swivel anymore. You know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: you don't have to be ready for a scrum to
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: break out at any moment. You know they're gonna just
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: bring the guys to you, so you can just sit
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: there and you know, be on your phone for a
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: little while if you want, you know, have some quiet time,
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: and they'll walk Christian Gonzalez right up to you.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: And so when you when you're a camera person, you
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: request you know, let's say Vederian Lowe and the is
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: it kind of etiquette that okay, that's that person's interview.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: No, No, everybody does it.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: It's full. It's a full scrum.
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: Everybody sets up in a semicircle. You got, you know whatever,
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: it is five to ten cameras.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: They request players like they as a media group players
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: and like Stacey and Aaron will get you know, the
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: three or four different guys that were requested.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Lucas go to that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: Lucas does a great job. Lucas has been wrangling guys.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: Asked them today who we got? He was on top
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: of it and he had guys ready to go.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: So say what do we got?
• 40:20
  Speaker 16: Yeah?
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he efforted Vedarian low that he wasn't sure I
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: level we did get Vidarian love.
• 40:26
  Speaker 16: So that was that was exciting.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: How did Vederian Lowe look.
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: Physically physically not as uh not as jarring as I
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: saw last last week? I think when I was in
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: the locker room, it was like giant you know, shoulder
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: strap and a knee brain. I mean he was still
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: not quite dressed for practice yet, Paul. I know they're
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: wearn'ting full pads today, so I assume he probably will
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: be suiting up with a bunch of different braces and
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: slings of things of this nature. But uh, you know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: we talked last week, and yeah I talked again this week.
• 40:54
  Speaker 16: He's just I think I read in.
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: One of the doctors The's books he said, you know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: recommending covering football teams always talk to the offensive lineman.
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: They're the ones who know everything and are usually the
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: most talkative. And I think he's a He's just a
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: good example of that of a guy who I think
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: says all the things that you kind of want to hear.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: You want to hear the accountability, you want to hear
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: on the bad plays.
• 41:12
  Speaker 16: You know, what went wrong?
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: Was?
• 41:14
  Speaker 16: Is my fault?
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: You know I have to be better on that, So
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: plenty of that. Of course, you know two and seven,
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: it starts to get old, and it's like, all right,
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: we just can't keep saying my bad, my bad every week.
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: At some point they've got to turn it around.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: So there was no residual comments about the shift of
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: the line, you know, the change that they made that
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: to start the game.
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: No, no, no one really asked him about about that personnel,
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: but you know it did say shoot, what play was it?
• 41:39
  Speaker 16: I forget there was.
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: One play he said, you know, specifically him and him
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: and Jordan had a miscommunication.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Second and one second and one run to hasty there
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: was only one guy over there. Neither one of them
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: blocked them. Yeah, so yeah, it wasn't great across the
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: board for for all, I would say six guys that
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: played significant snaps.
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: Now and he and he he said it. I mean,
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: he's like, we have to do better as an offensive line.
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: We just can't get the run game going. That's on us, and.
• 42:03
  Speaker 16: You know it's it doesn't fix.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: It, but at least you know that they're well aware
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: of what.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: The what's the last time people have talked to Scott Peters? Defensive?
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Last? Defense? Defense?
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Last?
• 42:15
  Speaker 16: We should hear from him on Thursday.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Thursday will be the.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Next That will be interesting see what he has.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: He talks every two weeks the position coaches. They alternate
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: offense and defense.
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, a little rotation goings.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Go back to the tpx houtline eight five to five
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: past five hundred, fidel is in Tampa. What's up, Fiddel?
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: Hey you guys, Hi.
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: I had a couple of things I wanted to follow
• 42:38
  Speaker 15: up on. I called the pregame show this past Sunday,
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: and I was basically saying how Matt Smith was wrong
• 42:47
  Speaker 15: about and how Paul was right. But then Paul yesterday
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: you got me. You're upset because now you're wanting to
• 42:55
  Speaker 15: and usually I'm always team Paul all the way.
• 43:00
  Speaker 16: Not today you.
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: Said about none. It's about yesterday one point specific like
• 43:05
  Speaker 15: bringing in other teams rejects where I receivers like Jonathan Mingo.
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: I do not want that. I'm tired of the Taekwon Thornton,
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: the Jalen Polk's already I'm already tired of it. The
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: Chad Jacksons. I don't want anyone to reclamation project.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: None of those are those are all draft picks.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not really a reclamation project. The guy in
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: the second year he caught like forty balls as a rookie,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 43:29
  Speaker 15: But he's obviously they're obviously wanting to move on because
• 43:31
  Speaker 15: they're like they don't like him, or they don't want
• 43:33
  Speaker 15: to see the potension with him. If he was good,
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: he's going through a rough time, they would put up
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: with it, especially it's a rookie contract.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean yeah, and I get your point.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: For Dell, just you know, real quick and we can
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: move on. It wasn't necessarily specifically Jonathan Mingo. It was
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: a guy not being used much wherever he is.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Kyle van Noy, Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: Maybe you maybe you take him. That's that's the example
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: I used on the radio and the pregame show on
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: the other on my Chin Wing on the China.
• 44:05
  Speaker 16: The good stuff.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Well, Darius Slayton was one I used. You know, I
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: was okay, But I'm just like a guy who's not
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: playing a ton where he is that might be looking
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: to get into another situation, and you have eight games
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: really of no pressure to see if he can establish
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: a connection with Drake May. I'd be interested in that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: But Fidel to you a point. It didn't have to
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: be Jonathan Mingo. You're right, he hasn't really done anything
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: this year.
• 44:32
  Speaker 15: No, of course, And I'm not saying oh specifically him,
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: I just I'm tired of us having these players as
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: to our team, who I already could tell was not
• 44:41
  Speaker 15: gonna do anything. Even in PEAKEE Brady and Belichick, we
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: couldn't even get Mohammed Sanu to do anything for us.
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: So like, even if we had the best coach, best
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: quarterback of time, Mohamasanu was not studying us our team
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: at twent nineteen. I don't think Jonathan Mingo or any
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: other receiver, not just him specifically.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I just really Mama Sanu was at
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: the end of a decent career, thanks, and had nothing
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: really left to give physically, Like Jonathan Mingo was a
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: young guy, like there's no juice, Like Jalen hy is
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: a young guy like that, it's not a physical problem.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Is he good enough? I don't know, the answer might
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: be no. But like Mohammed Sanu, he was brought in.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: He had a good career. He had a good career, yeah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: like you know, and then they brought him in sort
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: of the end of the line. You couldn't run anymore.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: And if you remember, he heard his ankle really quick too.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I think that that ended before it even began. Now,
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: I would have never given him a second round pick
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: for him, you know, at the peak of his health.
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: Right, that's jarring, Like you're expecting to get a lot
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: out of him, Like you're expecting him to really like
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: get you know, Fred brings.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: Up Kyle van Noy, Like that's a good example, Like
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Danny Woodhead. That's someone else's cast off that you found
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: a role for.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: You know, and they've got to be creative like that
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: when you're at this point, you know, at this point
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: in the league, when you're at the bottom, you need
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: to turn over every single rock that you can. That's
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: why I like some of the stuff. Yeah, it's a
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: great one, Like and that was a team that.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Was Now my guess is you need to do that
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: like ten times to get a Ninkovic or to get
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: a van neyd. But like, you don't know if you
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: don't try.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Right, Kevin Ferry, he's a football coach and he's a
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: coach at the school he teaches that and he was
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: wondering if he could reach out to the gal that
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: does the Evan is back from practice and also Mike's
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: back from the locker room and the other jingles. I
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: would love to hear. I would love to talk to
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: her and hire her to work on a walkout song
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: for our football team next year. All Carrie Underwood, let
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: me know if she is at all interested we do
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: we pay. Feel free to give her my info.
• 46:51
  Speaker 16: I already sent her the email.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: This is what you can get, so we'll be I'll
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: be interesting.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Opportunities, Mike, we provide opportunities.
• 47:00
  Speaker 16: I've been waiting all night for Friday night. Will that
• 47:02
  Speaker 16: be what it would be for the high school?
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah? So so Matt follow up on that and Kevin,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: if it works out, we'd love to know, you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: how it worked out. That would be great. So that's
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: pretty cool.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: Go shoot it, you know, to watch his team walk
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: out to chill and kate to be pretty cool.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see, I've got a lot of emails coming in.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of emails. Yeah, and again, I just
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: want to remind people but that when you email the show,
• 47:31
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• 47:36
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• 47:38
  Speaker 4: just email the show and we'll get your name into
• 47:41
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• 47:42
  Speaker 5: No big whoop, Nope.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Josh writes in how do you see the current receivers
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: developing over the next few years? Right now, I very
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: much see the players as very similar to what the
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Patriots have had in the past, but they need a
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: real threat so everyone can play where they actually fit
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: if they can get consistent. I see Pop Douglas as
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: an Edelman two point zero, as Edelman didn't really blow
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: up until a few years after he was on the team. Also,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I see Booty as an Ammondola two point oh and
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: if you can start catching the ball, I see Poke
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: as a LaFell two point zero. I think they just
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: need an upgrade at the number one receiver position and
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: at tight end with Henry turning thirty this year and
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: virtually nothing behind him long term.
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: I don't really see I don't really see Douglas.
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: I mean I don't want to. He's not Edelman. I
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: mean Edelman was every down kind of guy. Isle Yeah, physical,
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: and I like Pop Douglas.
• 48:37
  Speaker 16: I think he's uh.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: I mean, I hate calling him the number three four
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: kind of but that's like, but.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Was really physical after the catch, they would he was durable. Welker.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Those guys were tough, and they proved it over and
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: over and over again across the middle with breaking tackles
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: and making guys miss yards after catch. I haven't seen
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: that from to Mario Douglas. He's right. Edelman didn't blow
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: up until later. But Edelman caught forty passes as like
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: the fifth option, yeah, like as.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: A rookie, and he had some injury, Yeah, he.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Had he had injury problems at first. So maybe this
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: is the same kind of stuff with Douglas. Maybe all
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: of a sudden year three, year four, he's comfortable, he
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: clicks and he's more durable. He gets a little bigg absolutely,
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: But I'm with Mike, I don't I'm not looking at
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: that yet.
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: The thing that that could be interesting or it could
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: be at this point you're frustrated with is that all
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: those receivers are running contract for two more years. You know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: except for kJ Osborne, who's currently on the team, he's
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: on a one year deal. But Polk and Baker, we know,
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: Thornton's you know, got the rest of his deal, Douglas
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: got the rest of his deal, Booty's got two more
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: seasons on a hit. So I mean, I feel like
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: you have to just keep stacking these guys and making
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: them compete and hoping that that competition can bring out
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: the best in those crew because like the what we've
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: talked about. Do you feel assured of any of those
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: guys right now? Like, I like Pop Douglas, but he
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: is a slot receiver, like specialty kind of guy, which
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: is nice to have, but it's kind of like a
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: cherry on top of a Sunday that you know when
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: you don't have the fudge or the ice cream yet
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: you know you gotta go get.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: The one guy. And I don't think he's really similar
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: in style to to Amandola. I think Amandola is the
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: slot guy like Edelman.
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: That's that's the Pop Douglas coump I was Booty.
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: I think I'm intrigued to see if this continues, Like
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: does he continue to find a way to get open
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: deep because he's been doing that. Yeah, and I and
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that's something that he can just consistently
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: as a knack for doing. The production hasn't been there.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: I mean we remember because it's downfield plays, but he's
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: catching like two basses of the game.
• 50:50
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: I thought it was interesting too, low uh Lo said,
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: I mean kind of what Evan was saying to us,
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: like they were dialing up that shot play at the end,
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: the interception they were that was one hundred percent.
• 51:00
  Speaker 16: This is we're going to win the game right now.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: With no question.
• 51:03
  Speaker 16: That was kind of cool.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Roy about the overtime win call, says, I'd rather believe
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Cardona blew the call to play against the wind than
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Mayo and the entire Pat's brain trust. Hopefully it's just
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Mayo having his back.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I'd rather believe that too. Yeah, yes, I totally one
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: hundred percent agreement with that email. That'd be a much
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: better sign that the captain went out there and made
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: a mistake, then the head coach didn't even think about it, right.
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: Maybe guys got to be pretty aware of the window.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I would have say, sailors and did your sales. Yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: L from Wisconsin says I feel very down on the team.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure we'd have the coaching front office to
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: build a good one for the team. This reminds me
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: of the old Colts. Manning would constantly press because he
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: knew if he punted the game was lost. I know
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: the points aren't similar.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: This reminds you of the old Colts.
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: The score thirty five every night.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they had one game in Denver where they didn't
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: punt the whole game. One game. I know the points
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: aren't similar, but this kind of feels the same. May
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: is the entire team. They can't run, they can't catch,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: They just rely on him for everything, and the defense
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: doesn't help. Sure, the Titans only score twenty, but when
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: they go straight down the field on the first drive,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: you're immediately playing from a deficit. So Elle is warried.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, Worry, I just don't. I don't
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: necessarily agree with the comp one of the best teams
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: really of the last twenty five years.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: The goals.
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: I mean, I found myself going back looking at the
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: ninety and ninety two pass just to like, for like
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: comps sick, that's like what that's a better con like
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: what we're what? We're bad teams? Know they what did
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: they really look like? But I mean I did look
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: at the ninety three season though, you know what, I
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: think it was four wins at the end.
• 52:48
  Speaker 16: I mean, it wasn't a great season, but.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: No, they were one and eleven, but they lost a
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: lot of close games in November and then they started
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: winning those games in December, just like this season, and
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: you had something to build on.
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: Honestly, some signs of life, some signs of what kind
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: of identity this team is.
• 53:02
  Speaker 16: Are they tough to play against? Are they?
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: You know, it's just right now, it feels like teams
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: are licking their chops waiting to get right against them
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: for all the things that have gone wrong for these teams.
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: And you know, I think, you know, you look at
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: like the Chicago pass game. Evan was telling me he's
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: looking at some of the Chicago Beat writers and everybody's like,
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: do we get the third best quarterback in this trap?
• 53:20
  Speaker 16: You know, like they're like worried.
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: And it's like, have you met the Patriots defense yet?
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: Because this might be just Caleb Williams needs.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: To get And it is funny because like two weeks
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: ago in London when he ripped apart Jacksonville, everybody was,
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: you know, singing the praises of how much development he.
• 53:35
  Speaker 16: Came back on.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: And then you know, the fourth quarter in the Washington
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: game when he goes and he leads them on two
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: touchdown drives, one of which they botched because they tried
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: to hand the ball off to the offensive lineman. People
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: were like, wow, even when he had a bad game
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: for three quarters, he played his best and now all
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: of a sudden they give up a Hail Mary. The
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: team completely mailed it in last week. I think I
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: explained they gave up a fifty three yard run with
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: like four seconds left in the half, Like that's a
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: hard thing to do. You don't see that. Basically, they
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: were running the clock out and the guy took it
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: to the house and it was fourteen to nine at
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: the time. That ended the game.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: That play seth and Portland, and that's the one in Oregon,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: he says, not made. You were touching on this yesterday.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: But the one thing I love the most about May
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: is that he's exactly like his draft evaluation, same strength
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: and same mistakes. That means they got it right, which
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: is most of the battle. It's all coaching, roster building
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: an experience from here. So the question is I didn't
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: expect them to be good this year and win a lot.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: But the operation, as Paul often says, doesn't look right.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: What do you think is the cause talent coaching or
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: absence of on field leadership due to injuries or something else.
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: I think all of those are an element of how
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: you get to this point.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: But those kinds of things like the operation doesn't look right,
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: like that's part of the evaluation. Like did they get
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: it right? Like he's I agree with the idea that
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: may is playing to his draft profile. Yeah, I think
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: that's the easy part, that's identifying what the guy physically
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: can and can't do. I don't think there's a lot
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: of misses on that. I don't think there's a lot
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: of guys drafted because we think this guy can throw
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: the ball a country mile and then you get him
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: and he's Jones. Like the miss comes with quarterbacks in particular,
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: is what's upstairs right and his ability to operate an
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: offense and a lot of that stuff you can't really
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: know for sure, and that's why some guys are good
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: from a physical standpoint, Like just pure physically, do you
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: think there's a huge difference between say, the top twenty
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the league. Now, there's obviously a Lamar Jackson,
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: you know, Patrick Mahomes and a Josh Allen you know,
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: like that have a little bit more of a varied
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: skill set.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: For the top twenty, but like, yeah, I mean.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Physically, Kirk Cousins has everything you need.
• 56:05
  Speaker 16: Yeah, Like, yeah, there's little shades.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: But he's not as good as some other guys.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Jared Goff, it's the decision making in crunch.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: Time, right, and some guys are really good at it. Yeah,
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: some guys are inconsistent, you know, from week to week,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: from game to game, series to series, whatever. Trevor Lawrence,
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Let's use Trevor Lawrence as the example, because I think
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: physically there's nothing he can't do right. But he's not
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: as good as Josh Allen right, well, Patrick Mahomes right Right. Physically,
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: he's probably on par with those guys. I'll bet you
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: he can throw the ball as well. I bet you
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: he can ry. I bet you you know. And I'm
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: not talking about his like forty times at the combine.
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about what's the guy play, yea, what can
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: he do physically right? Justin Herbert, what can't he do
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: physically right? But he's not as good as those guys.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: That's where the evaluation comes in. Yeah, he run the
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: offense every week the way we want it run.
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: That's what's I think encouraging to me about May I mean,
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: I don't know claim to know that I can identify
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: him going through progressions, but I do know what a
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: quarterback who's calm in the pocket looks like. And I'm
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: excited about that. But at the same time, I feel
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: like I saw that with Mac a little bit at
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: the beginning and it faded. He kind of lost it, right,
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: he lost his pocket presence when right out of the gate,
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: I thought that was one of his best things.
• 57:19
  Speaker 16: So hopefully they can stay on that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: I agree, because I took that cheese too. Yeah, I
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: mean in twenty one, I what I saw for stid
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: him in nineteen I saw a poise in the pocket
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: from front of the mac Jones early in his career
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: that really disappeared as time went on.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Devin in Belleville, Canada rites And every time I see
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: at Toyota, I think of Paul's car woes. And this
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: has led me to think of some side hustles from
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: mister Perrillo. Oh, I suggest during the off season between
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: noon and two on Wednesdays, Paul should host an online
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: course for NFL coaches from the Perillo School of Clock Management.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: He could also have a course for outsmarting analytics with logic.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: Surely mister Krafft would let him host these as long
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: as he less Patriots coaches in for free. Good one.
• 58:06
  Speaker 16: It is one that's pretty funny. I was.
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: I was thinking they should have you like sit next
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: to the Madden guys when they do their mad although
• 58:12
  Speaker 8: they don't play it, but I think it'd be funny
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: if you were like letting them Madden. They're playing Madden,
• 58:16
  Speaker 8: you were yelling at them about like poor clock decisions,
• 58:19
  Speaker 8: like you.
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: Know Madden, though I don't really know Madden. That would
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: be hard.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: If you could have a side hustle, now, would it.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: Be anything that makes me money? I need money?
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: So the thing could make you money? What would you do?
• 58:32
  Speaker 8: You parties as a stel getdy you know, as.
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I knew, and I would do.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: It UFC fighter hustling out. Yeah, you know, like I
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: wouldn't mind teaching tennis if I could, if it could
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: make you know, if I could make a good money,
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: and I.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: Should, I say coaching baseball. You know, I follow the
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: footsteps of my mentor Brian Moore.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what I'm talking about, right, Yeah.
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: So you somebody you really like to make money doing that? No,
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: you could make money teaching test You could make money
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: doing that, could I over? You know that's a that's
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: a rich man's sport.
• 59:08
  Speaker 16: Yeah, young rich wise to curse.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Oh we got a whole scandal white shorts. You love it.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: I think they make like sixty to one hundred bucks
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: an hour.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: And you would put put the grape smugglers on. That'd
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: be awesome. Oh yeah, the wooden racket still puts the
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: Felas shirt on a little board. Yeah, you puts it
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: all the way up here. Wilson T. Two thousands break
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: it out of retirement from the seventies. He actually has
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: an aluminum racket. You know, you know they have graphite now.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: Right, said Wilson T. Two thousands. That's what I just said, guy, racket,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: I know that's.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: You go with.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: The w was like the worst racket ever made.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: Wasn't really because I had one.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: It had a sweet spot the size of an apple.
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: Well, the rackets themselves at that time had very small
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: but this, this was like conn It was perfect for
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Connors because he hit the ball so flat, you know.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Uh. But it was a terrible racket.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: But at the time was it a terrible racket? I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: don't think so.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Well compared to wood you know, like when I was
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: I tried all those racks. I had Yamaha fiberglass, I had,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: I had them all. I had the head gammel v
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: loss racket.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 14: Whipping a whole.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my brother used to like joke all the time
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: because we had like a number of like the old
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: wooden rackets, and then he'd had a T two thousand
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: and you know, when he would go to his matches
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: in high school, he goes, yeah, I'm just gonna put
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: like four of them in the bag, you know, and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: show up. He did it once, he goes, yeah, I felt.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: Like felt like an idiot, right.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 17: Hey, guys. I've been reading a lot of different things
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 17: about the old line, especially from Evan, and it seems
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 17: in a running game really needs to get back to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 17: you know, North South instead of you know, trying to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 17: attack the edges. And it seems to be that they
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 17: just feel that they don't have the linemen to do
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 17: to this outside runs that they're trying to set up
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 17: for the system. You think that they'll be able to,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 17: you know, at least incorporate more you know, North South
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 17: type running. And do we have a fullback on the roster.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 17: I'm not sure if we were not. And I was
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 17: really curious.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: That as well.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they don't we don't have a full.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 16: Bet spare a lineman.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: I mean it's not like like I know, they have
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: been going east west a lot, you know, the wide
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: zone and all that stuff, but when they go up
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: the middle they don't do that well either. Now these days.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: They and they weren't. Like I just I think people
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: are forgetting how many broken tackles Stevenson created.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, they were getting penetration. It's either when they
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: were running well.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: It's been a struggle. I don't I agree with Todd.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think that all the alignment are necessarily built
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: for zone schemes. But I don't think that's the main problem.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: When cold Strange was picked, was he picked with zone
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: schemes in mind?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: You know, I think that's the theory.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, But who else was right?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Like that's well, because that's when they were good. That's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: when they the first the first attempt to change to
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: this style was twenty two with Maddy p problem was
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: they didn't have anybody who could implement it, install it right.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: And that's when the whole story just came out about
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: like Kendrick Bourne's like that's not right.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: Right now, they should have the pieces to install that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: they just I don't know if they have the pieces
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: to execute it or at least across the board where
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 8: I just wonder how much this scheme is tied to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 8: that outside zone that they're like.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't exist the best if if your
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: best supposed lineman is called Big Mike, is he suited
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: for this outside.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's why I said I agree with Todd.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: I don't think that.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: They're overly suited for it, right right.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: But I don't think that's the problem. I don't think
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: they they haven't run, you know, like like like Evan says,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: gap and duo all that effectively either, you know, like
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: how many games have they had, Like their long run
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: has been like five yards seven yards?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: You know Dan's and Daytona Beach. What's up, Dan? Are
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: you at the track?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 11: Can you hear me?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 18: So I have three I have three pics for you guys.
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  Speaker 18: What do you guys think about the grades that just
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 18: came out today from CBS Sports about they gave the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 18: Patriots the d H for often, the D for defense,
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  Speaker 18: and the Steve Bluff, which is an improvement from last
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 18: year from an F for special teams. And they gave
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 18: the overall coaching UH a key in minus. I think
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  Speaker 18: those grades, in my opinion, are pretty accurate for the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 18: current staden the Patriots. My second take is, I was
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 18: reading this report yesterday about uh a good veteran name
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 18: that could possibly could could could uh sense to come
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 18: in and help drive since he's having a lot of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 18: issues with uh, you know, trying to learn on the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 18: job as a head coach. They mentioned Ron Rivera since
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 18: he wouldn't really be, you know, interested in being a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 18: head coach a really good advisor.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 18: The last take that I have would be them adding
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 18: that that change in face backs that they need. I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 18: still don't think they running backs that they got are
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 18: besides Remandre Gibson. But I don't think that Michael anything.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, thanks for the call, Dan, So with a great
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: grades would.
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  Speaker 5: D on offense taking laps the offense, D defense, D
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: minus maybe and then D minus for coaching and a
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: C plus for special teams. Yeah, yeah, I would say, Yeah,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: I mean that's probably about right. I mean I think, yeah,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: I mean plus only because of the last two games
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: with Marcus Jones's punt returns.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if they were three and three or
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: four and four. Then okay, you get c's. Maybe I
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: would have had it.
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  Speaker 5: I would have special teams I don't think have been great.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: But the last two games, Marcus Jones has been electric,
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  Speaker 5: as I've often predicted, so he.
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  Speaker 4: Brings the grade up. But yeah, I mean, you can't
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: argue with d's when you're two and seven, right, and.
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  Speaker 8: There were games to be one. I mean there were
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: a couple of games they could have won too. You
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: know how much difference without to make a couple of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: extra plays a couple extra wins.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: Right, And that's like part of my my point, Like
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: everybody execution brings you scored. Everybody said that last year,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: you know, like, oh, they could have easily won X,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Y and C. Yeah, but when you're not a good team,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: you don't win those games.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 16: That's the sign.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: You know, they easily could have lost the two games
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: that they won too easily, right, I mean I think
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: there's a camera angle out there in the Jets game
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: that they actually lost that game. Like I'm just saying,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: that's how close it is. You know, you win, you win,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: you win a couple by by a blade of grass
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: in both cases, and you lose a game by a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: heel against Miami game that you easily could have won,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: and I'm sorry you lose two games in overtime. Those
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: are games you could have won, absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you kind of are what you are Franklin
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: and Baltimore. I know the absence of Pepper's, Barmore and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Jennings have been impactful.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: Jennings hasn't been out, No, I think you might have
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: missed one game. You missed one game anyway.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: I know they've been in on the capability of the defense,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: but I also think their impact has been quite overblown.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Those players, for instance, really didn't change the fact that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: for the past few weeks, any team with the semblance
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: of a passing attack pretty much had their way with
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: the secondary. And I still think they have a glaring
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: weakness covering scatbacks. The focus has been rightly on the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: offense in this post Brady era, but I also think
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: fans may need to realize the defense needs an overhaul too,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: at all three levels. Ps I would like to sign
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: up for the newsletter.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 16: You signed up?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, magic has I mean offenses had their way with
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: the secondary.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: I think passing games have Yeah. Yeah, I think you
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: can do whatever you want against the Patriots. If you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: have an offense like Tyler Huntley couldn't Yeah, but did enough. Yeah,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence certainly did.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, Yeah, it's true.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, it's just as hard when you
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: lose guy's injury what it could have been, and you know,
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  Speaker 8: when you spend all this time lamenting what Christian Barmore
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: would have meant to this team, what bril Pepper's presence,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: you know, might have meant to keeping these guys together
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: and maybe getting them over the hump in.
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  Speaker 16: A couple of those games that they were close.
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  Speaker 5: Tennessee threw for like two forty the other Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Right, but there's no question with a backup. Yeah, they need,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: they need, they need to add some bodies. I mean,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: you get Barmore back, and you got White and godcha.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: I mean those are three pretty good pieces to start from.
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  Speaker 8: But the edges, the edges of the defense need to
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: be reinforced. And I mean, we'll see with Jennings if
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: he's able to you know, really emerge as you know,
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  Speaker 8: I like him as a rotational guy. But to me,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: if you can't impact the past game, that's that's it.
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  Speaker 16: You know, for me, it's hard.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard Levron Gotchaw is I think a good run
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: stuffing defensive lineman. I just you know, I don't know
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: what that gets you, you know. And I think Anthony Jennings.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: You notice, but he's a physical player, Anthony Jennings. But
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: I don't think he impacts games. I don't. I mean
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: he's played well, I might try. Like Mike had a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: joke to, these.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Guys are being asked to be playmakers and they're a lot.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: No, those two guys aren't being asked.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: To be playing Anthony Jennings.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: No, he's not. He's not being asked to be a player.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: He's asked to set the engine.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: I think dfls, Yeah, I think, But.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: He's not like being asked to go out there and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: play like Lawrence Taylor.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, who's the guy on the front seven that's being
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: asked to do make plays? To make a play to
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: who's your playmaker in the front seven?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: They don't have any.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: It's my point. Somebody needs to step like these guys
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: are trying because no one.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: But Anthony Jennings's role is to make plays.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: It is right now because no one else is doing it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: No one else can, and his role should be.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: I think he's playing exactly the same as he did well,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: but that's like two years ago. Well, Matthew Judah and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: Joshua on the edge.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: His role should be a complimentary player to guys like.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: That critical of Anthony Jennings.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: But he can't be right now because he needs to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: be the guy.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's playing any different. He's doing exactly
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: what he did.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they could definitely use more out of him, but
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: I just he I mean, he might be playing more
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: snaps right and people points he's playing more snaps and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: he's got more pressures.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: But it's not like they're sending him on these like
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: it's third and ten in there and he's lining up
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: and you know he's got ahead of steam and he's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: trying to beat the tackle after you No, that's not
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: really what he's being asked to do.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and you mean you have to know when you
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 8: signed him to a three year deal that this is
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: kind of who he is, you know, like, and it's
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 8: fine to be part of a rotation, but you know,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: now you're seeing something.
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  Speaker 4: I think you've got a lot of complimentary players that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: aren't being allowed to be complimentary right now.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you see, I would agree with your thought here.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: If people are being critical of the players, right, Like
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: if you're saying, well, Anthony Jennings thinks, I mean, how
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: many plays does he make?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: That's unfair, right.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: Because that's not what he is. I don't think that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: people were doing that to Anthony Jennings like Keon White.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: If people are saying this guy should be a fifteen
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: sack guy, he should be like Chris Jones and be just,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: then that's not fair to Keyon White. That's not what
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: he is.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: He wasn't. Yeah, you know, we talk about the evaluation
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: coming out of the college. That's not what his evaluation was.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 16: No, No, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So if you know, and this is one of those
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: things that if that's the way people are perceiving these players,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: then I would agree with you. You're asking them to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: do too much.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: Then, But on every defense you need some a guy
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: or two that is your playmaker.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: They don't have it. They don't have it, certainly not
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: in the front seven.
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  Speaker 8: And especially against the pass. And I think that's what's
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: most glaring. Like I think like if the run defense stunk,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: but you had some good pass rushers that could, you know,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: like it would look a lot different than You've got
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: one guy who's able to set the edge, but otherwise they.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 16: Run all over them.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 8: They're in short distances, no way the passing defense can
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: get off the field.
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  Speaker 5: I would say that the starting safeties Peppers and Dugger
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: and Gonzales, there are guys that can make plays. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: but I don't really see anybody in the front seven
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: that fits that description.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: With bar Moore out, yep, let's see, he writes in
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: h do you think instead of looking at Elliott for
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: the draft picks not working out so far, we should
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: blame the Italian evaluators for the team if the players
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: don't work out, since they see more games of these
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: players and the coaching staff well, no, I mean Elliott.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: They all see all the game, They see all the tape.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: They may not see them live like the you know,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: the area of scouts, but they all see all the tape.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's unfair to say, like, well, it's the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: scouts of bringing bad players to them, like they all
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: have access to everybody, right right, yeah, and ultimately one
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: guy makes the decision.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: How much change did happen to the scouting department though
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: with Bill leaving? I mean, did it mostly stay the same,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 8: and Elliot just kind of took it over, Like I don't.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: Think most of the guys stayed like Cam Williams and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: I think Patrick Stewart.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Stewart's still here, Marshall Ooms still here.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of those guys stayed the same.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 18: Ye.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: A little over undergame from Anthony Christian more games played
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: this season one and a hey under Underkay, I'll go over.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: I'll go over, okay four, I mean he hasn't even
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: started practicing.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: And he won't according to.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: Catch it today right catches by Poke rest of the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: season ten and a hey.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: I'm going to take the over.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 16: I am two, I am two. I am I gotta
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 16: believe he's got.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: A couple of touchdowns by Hunter Henry rest of the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: season two and.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: A hay.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: Under under, I'll take over.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: It's got one in nine games. Yeah, he's going to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: have three in the last eight. I'll take the under.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: Well, Mike gets better, I know, And I teach you
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: bucking I'm bucking your teachings.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: What did I teach you?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 16: Fall? The trends?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Trends, you know, That's that's why I'm driving around one
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty two hundred and fifty thousand mile.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 8: Trend that keeps running and it's going to continue.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: That can't get inspected.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: But as Drake gets better, maybe you know, maybe a
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: Hunter Henry has more chances. Maybe you know, you never know,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: and he's got something to prove now after being knocked out.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: Of play half of those games with Drake May.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: No, but Drake May is gonna get better now.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: Better than he's already been.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh yeah, I hope so. Yeah, Sash wait sacks
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: by key On White rest of the season four and.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: A hey, oh the rest of the see I think
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: he's got four. He hasn't had one since week two.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna that's a trend.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the trend there too, and say.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: Under players who end up with one thousand yards receiving
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: for the season.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: Hey for the Patriots?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Under Yeah?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: Is anybody even sniffing that?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't think so. A number of nods. Paul
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: gives the rest of the season a hey, oh oh
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: stop it way over that over for the Patriots.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: Oh that didn't say that?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: Ah, well, what if we it was for the Patriots?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: Under Hunter Henry has four hundred and fourteen yards. He
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: leads the team right then on then no one's even
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: close to a thousand yard pace.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's see lots of emails. Bad call, Paul, says
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: David in bethleem May took. May took blame by saying
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: he should have thrown the ball harder into the wind.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: If Paul said his wife picked out his shirt, he's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: avoiding blame and skirting disaster. Was that mean?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but yeah, how you could? You could
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: take it that way? That was how Fred took it. Yeah, Dave,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: that's how.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 16: That's how Fred took into the wind.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: He should have Well, he took.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: It that he was blaming himself for not throwing it
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: properly into the wind.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: I took it that he was blaming himself for even
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: making trying to make that throw.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: I think he shouldn't have talked about the wind. I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: think quarterbacks when they throw an interceptions shouldn't talk about
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: the wind. And just in full disclosure, Mike, I have
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: a crush, as you know, on Drake May. Yeah, I'm
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: not being critical of Drake May at all. I always
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: say like that might be the first example of a
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: minor misstep that. He immediately the next day took back.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: You know, I might have been trying to make myself
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: feel better. I think was the way he ended that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: like that on EI. That's all like, this is not
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: a it's not an Aaron Rodgers situation. You have to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: do it for like fifteen years on every interception to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: be Aaron Rodgers. Like Drake may had one minor like
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: half a line at the end of a very disappointing loss.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: I'm willing to give him a pass on that.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Melvin in Tennessee. What's up, Melvin? How
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: you doing?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: OK?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 19: What was going on?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 14: Hey? It was of course good thing you read Mike
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 14: Trey Barry. It was it was out the time in Nashville.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 14: So I just want to say that real quick. And
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 14: then to talk on Marcus Jwnes now probably been talking
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 14: about him, but see him lines like he's out something
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 14: about like how he run and he has just enough
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 14: distance to not get past up and kind of lost
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 14: defenders to sleep and then like starts around him. He's amazing.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 14: It was kind of alarming to see how, you know,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 14: electric he is. But it's great to that is that
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 14: offense is so bad. I know, I mean fraid you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 14: talked yesterday about which one DC. I guess more confident
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 14: going forward with and just I feel even though with
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 14: Jiri being there, and I know all these teams look
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 14: so good against us for some my reason on offense,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 14: but I'm gonna gets the defense a little bit more
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 14: of a fast. But i haven't seen anything on the offense,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 14: so I'm a lot more concerned with them going forward.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 14: And I don't know, like I said, Drake, of course,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 14: Drake is fine, but without some type of something from
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 14: some of those receivers, it just makes me feel It
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 14: does make me feel like we have the right people
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 14: in place. But I'm gonna give them a little more
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 14: time far I started just you know, going on a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 14: deep end about him, but I would like to see
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 14: the rest of the year him type of get some
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 14: type of development. I want to get away from the Bourne,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 14: get away from hunting hand and Henry support. I want
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 14: to see him developed something with pulp. We got to
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 14: get that going. If we're going to make anything in
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 14: the long run, they have to get at least some
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 14: type of deduction from those receivers so they can get
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 14: them the same TABE. Yeah, and that's about all I
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 14: get good stuff.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: I wonder how things are going in practice with Pope.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: That's a good question, you know, like does he look
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: better in practice? Is it well? Is you know what
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: you're seeing in practice, what you're seeing in the game.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: You know, recently, I'd be interested to know that.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: Bourne talked about him a little bit today in the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 8: locker room and said, you know, he's got to get
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 8: out there today and put start stacking a google of practice.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: But he also said, you know, he came in Monday
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: with me and we lifted together, and you know, I
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: just I think he's got the right mindset, and you know,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: I mean to be honest, I was a little bit bugged,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: like when they asked your Rod like do you feel
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: like he's past it? And he's like, yeah, I think'sas So
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: I'm like, why how has he passed it? Like he
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: had another game of no production, which I imagine is
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: continuing to weigh on him.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: So I'll tell you how I took I agree with you,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: by the way I took that as well. A couple
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: of weeks ago, I made it really innocuous comment about
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: him maybe having a mental hurdle that he needed to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: get over and it wasn't taken well by the player.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: And now he goes out. He's on the field for
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: whatever A handful of snaps couldn't have been too many, Yeah,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know off the top of my head. And
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: he gets one target, no catches two penalties. Instead, I'm
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: going to sort of give him a pass for that.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: I play good cop this week in an effort. I'm
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: not telling you that many it was right or wrong
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: for doing it, but I think that's what he was
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: trying to do.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: Somebody did on Ei too with that, because I think
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 8: he was a specifically about those penalties and kind of
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: pushed back on both of them being his fault.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 16: So tough, trying to make it work somehow, And I
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 16: think he's.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: Making an effort to say, Okay, I offered up what
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: I thought was kind of an innocuous comment and it
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: wasn't taken well. Now I'm going to go the other
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: way and try to you know, now this one, you
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: need to embrace him. We've heard that all off season.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: You know, you guys struggling a little bit. Let's make
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: sure he knows that we're not giving up on him.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: It seems to be a lot of okay, backtracking.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: You always know when Fred's ready on a.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: It's just this is too much being said, And because
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: too much is being said, there's too much of having
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: to now clean up what was said the next day.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: Well, there's way too much being said by the players,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: if you ask me, I don't want to get back
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: into that argument from two weeks ago, but I think
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: everybody's a little too comfortable.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 20: Uh.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: Steven Austin says, I love when Carlos call in and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of background noise and Fred's questions them.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: I love how he asked them with a straight face,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: what are you doing flying an airplane? Or the time
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: when Paul asked the guy did he drop his phone
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: in the volcano? My question to you guys is did
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: the receivers get worse every year in the past three years? Also?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: Was Jacobe Meyers our best receivers in the past five years.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: I know that we need a true number one, but
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: I don't even think we have a number two that
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: can get open and catch consistently like Myers did. Boy,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: we could really use a guy like him. Now, I
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: was hearing Pope was supposed to be the guy when
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: we drafted him, but I'm not seeing it anywhere. Also,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: I was already fired up about Drake Maye from his
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: play in the field, but he had an answer to
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: a question in his press conference about how he's not
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: going to change the player he is and he's gonna
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: make teams pay for dropping out guys, and boy, I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: was ready to run through a wall for that guy.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Never felt like we ever got anything authentic from that
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: from mac Jones.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's an element of Drake. I think that's just
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 8: a little bit more wearing his emotions on.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 16: His sleeve, and I'm not kind of telling you what
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 16: it is.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: I like him. Mack felt very much that comment, though, No, yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: I want I like the other comments that he had
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: today more than that about you know, it's the league.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: You need to you need to throw the ball, you
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: need to be you need to be able to perform
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: in the pocket more conventionally in this league. And that's
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: that's what I want to hear, because I think he
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: knows it. I think he's smart enough already to know
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: I can't do what I did Sunday and every week.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: The AVP told him that film stuff.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: But he also knows it.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: Too.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: You know, that's how you're going to succeed is being
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: able to throw the ball.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: But listen, if if on this team, no every no
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: one can get open and you see green Grass take it,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: take it.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would rather have him sit, sit in it
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: and like try to fight through the progression and figure
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: out where he's supposed to go.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: He's got so much time back there.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying never run. He takes off quickly.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: A lot he does, and I'm not telling you.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: Usually it's because the pocket is like this big around.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: But I don't want to lose that element. I want
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: him to get the other stuff down and then have
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: this in spots.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's all. I would prefer that too.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: I love the athleticism.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: I would prefer that.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: I don't really care about the success rate right now,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: like whether they you know it's the two and seven, Yeah,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: I think it's much more valuable if on third and
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: sixteen he can sit in the pocket and find a
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: play to make, as opposed to I might be able
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: to run for this. Yeah, well yeah you might.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I don't think there's that opportunity to sit in
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: the pocket.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: Well, that's a problem. That is a problem, and that's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: why people didn't want to play him. Well, not you
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: and I, not Mike.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: Nolan in California. I definitely do not want already what
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: I don't want to already look ahead to the off season.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: I just want to keep enjoying the development of May. However,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: at two and seven, I'm thinking of how well and
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: fastly he is developing. Next season will be huge, and honestly,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: I hope we get a wide receiver through free agency. Okay,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: that's good?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: Noah, Wow, Freddy's very I have you noticed Freddy's a
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: little dismissive today.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: Well, because I think he's having trouble getting through all
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: these emails trying to find good ones.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of emails.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: Mike, why don't you read tell over me? There you go,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: very undertoned, understated.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: Matt writes in what do you think benefits the Patriot's
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: future more A not winning any more games this year
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: and flipping the number one pick next year into multiple
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: number ones an additional later round picks. Or B winning
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: a few extra games this year and not getting any
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: additional picks, but showing some growth and gaining some confidence. B.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, B for sure, I have a question for the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: and I don't know the answer to this. Sometimes I'm
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: not a lawyer, so I can ask a question I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: don't know the answer. To get the number one overall pick,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: trade down how we get multiple ones?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: That's why I kind of questioned that when I read.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: It now, you might be able to get them in
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: future years, right right?
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But like.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: I think there's this notion like you're trade so I'm
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: gonna give you like two ones for your you know,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: in a two place here.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: First of all, they have to have to who is like.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: And I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: Who has them?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we just I don't know. I don't see it
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: this year with that, I don't want the number one
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: overall pick. I think it's gonna be hard to trade.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 8: I don't think there's a player that's like that.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: It seems not not necessarily YETI number one overall pick.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: Because I do think that the email is right, you
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: probably should be able to get multiple let's say day
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: one slash two picks. You should be able to get
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: another two another maybe a future one, you know, for
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: sliding down a little bit. But if you're asking me
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: what i'd rather have I'd rather have might do so
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: theory of nineteen ninety three. Let's show some some progress here,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: Let's find a way to win some games, and let's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: start establishing a winning.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: Culture that's more valuable. Let's go to Florida, but Toronto.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Aaron's there.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 21: Hey everyone, I want to make an observation about Drake
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 21: May and the offensive play calling backed up by real stats.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 21: So anecdotally, though, I think Drake looks confident at the
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 21: line of scrimmage when he's made audibles and he seems
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 21: to have the quote unquote answers to the test. And
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 21: the stat to back it up is he hasn't been
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 21: called for a delayed game yet, and I don't think
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 21: we've had to use the timeout to prevent being called
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 21: for delay game. We've seen the over the past couple
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 21: of weeks that Jets and the Titans burn timeouts and
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 21: I think being called a couple of times. So it's
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 21: a nice kind of comparison to see there. Thinks that's
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 21: very positive sign of Drake's comfort and optimism in his development. Thanks,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 21: I'll take it off the air.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, some observations from Aaron.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: You are being maintained.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, but guess what.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: Has returned from practice? Has returned from.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: Oh boy?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: I evn Hello.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: A quick question before you get into all your observations. Yes,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: during the game when you were there live, yes on Sunday,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: did you feel that last throw by May was affected
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: by the win? In real time?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: He said, yesterday?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: Oh did he?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: In real time? It didn't dawn on me in real time. Uh,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 7: definitely saw it on film that it died a little bit.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, That's all I wanted to know, because in real
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: time I didn't. That wasn't something that I was thinking about.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 22: No.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 7: I think the only thing that I thought of in
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: real time was like he underthrew him, like, you know, like,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: because that's not real time.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, you didn't see that, guy, I.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: Know, I really thought it was underthrown in real time,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: And I was like, I don't think I've ever seen
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: him underthrow a.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: Ball, Like I would say, both of those things are accurate.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like air mailing it, sure, underthrowing it.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: Okay. Anyways, anyway, more important, I digress. Who's there?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: So Patriots practice today in a very very sunny, very
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: very warm day at practice unseasonably warm. It was pretty
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: good attendance, but no Kyle Duggar still at Patriots practice
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: dealing with that ankle injury kept him out the last
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks, and a new absence to Michael Hasty
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: was not at Patriots practice today for reasons unknown. So
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: those are your two absences. Everybody else was dressed and
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 7: accounted for some stuff that we can discuss on the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: offensive line that had the media grousing, oh grousing, which
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: we do like some more rotation, and it looks like
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: the guards are going to be moved around potentially. Now,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: I want to just preface this with you know, it's Wednesday.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: They try out new things all the time.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: Time.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: We've seen some weird combinations at practice during our access
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: to practice limited in the season, and then we get
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: out there on Sunday and it's not what we saw
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, So let's not jump to any conclusions.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: But we did see Mike on went.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: Who at left guard and Leyden Robinson at right guard
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 7: for the brief time that we were out there, and
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 7: left guard Michael Jordan. I mean, I've written about it,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: everybody's written about it has really kind of dropped off
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 7: here and between Robinson and so, and then hopefully you
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: get cold strange back eventually too. The thought has crossed
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: my mind of how safe is Michael Jordan's job in
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 7: the starting lineup?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 7: I did not have Michael on Winho moving to the
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: other side on my bingo card.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: But that's where I say media was grousing about this.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 6: A little bit, okay, a little bit left guard.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Of all the media members, which media member is most
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: likely to just say all right, I've had enough and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: walk out on the field and start yelling at the coach.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 7: I don't think I don't think anybody would do that.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, I don't think anybody would do that.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: But look, I have a couple of people that think
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: that they should do that.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: I'm staying away from that, but one of them.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't have been that practice, though.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: I definitely understand.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: You know, look, they changed up the offensive line last
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 7: week seemingly to get Leiden Robinson in there after two
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: okay weeks you know for the group, certainly the two
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: best pass protecting weeks that the group has had all
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 7: season long. Then they put it in a blender and
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: now you're taking your best offensive lineman and on went
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: who who's played tackle, he's played guard. Now he's going
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: to potentially flip sides to the left side. There's just
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: a lot of moving around for Mike on Wendy right
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: now too. And I'm just you know, my thoughts on it.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: You just wonder how much he's on board with the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 7: fact that they just keep on moving him inside, outside, left, right.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 7: You know, it's not exactly a comfortable way to.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: Look look at the bear. Is there anything going on
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: with their front where you would say, okay, we need
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: to move one when.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 16: Year to the left.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: They have a really good front. I mean their pass
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: rush is really really good. But it's more, you know,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 7: Montes sweat on the edge if he does play, didn't
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: play last week, but he likes to rush over the
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: right tackle, So that one I can't really understand. You know,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: I don't really see them as a team like a
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: Jeffrey Simmons or something like that on the inside that
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: is going to necessarily draw a matchup like that. But
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: you know, in pass protection, you always want to put
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 7: your best guys on the blind side of the quarterback,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: and that includes that guard as well as tackle, So
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 7: that that could be the thought process. But again, I
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: just want to put it out there that this does
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 7: not mean that this is going to be the starting
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: line on Sunday.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: So we'll see, okay. And you said it was unseasonably warm,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: yet they were in pads today, correct.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: Full pads, full pads Wednesdays, and they were, yeah, it was,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 7: I mean it was. It was warm, like it was
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: seventy seventy five degrees like bright, bright sun right on you.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: A little windy, little wind, but it was warm.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 16: You said it was Robinson back on the right.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: Side, Robinson at right guard, who they they seem to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 7: obviously have some sort of infatuation with, And we all
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: went back.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 6: And forth on it.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: And I understand that he's a young player, rookie that
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 7: you like, that you're trying to develop, and you're trying
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 7: to see what you have and as a two win
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 7: football team, like that's sort of the types of things
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 7: you should be doing. But at the same time, he
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 7: gets in there and he really really struggles in pass protection,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: and you don't want to get Drake May killed. So
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: it's it's a tight rope that you're walking by having
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 7: him play so much. I would say until he's ready,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: and I.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 16: Don't think you's.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 8: We haven't seen him at left guard ever, have we.
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  Speaker 8: I mean I remember him right guard right now.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, So he played left guard in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 7: right guard in twenty one in Max rookie season, they
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  Speaker 7: up replacing him in the starting lineup that year because
• 1:32:29
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• 1:32:32
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• 1:32:36
  Speaker 7: the rest of the season, and that's you know, kind
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 7: of when they jelled and came together. Was on went
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: on when he went to the bench. So his one
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: stint that left guard back in twenty one did not
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  Speaker 7: go very well.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, do you go to a new place today, Fred?
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  Speaker 8: It seems like it takes a little longer you go
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  Speaker 4: I think they try to place called pizza time. Oh yeah, Well,
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  Speaker 6: You know, everybody's very well behind.
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  Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, think just this week Caleb Williams be able
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  Speaker 22: to do a lot. How much time did you spend
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  Speaker 4: Was it a WorldWind? What was it like for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 26: I think you know both as rookies, you know, coming
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 26: out as quarterbacks, you spend a lot of time with
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 26: those guys. We see him someone someone visits some at
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 26: the combine. Really with Caleb, I've seen him since high school,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 26: you know, going to the same camps, was at the
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 26: lead level with each other. We got some college visits together,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 26: so kind of the whole thing, kind of going through
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 26: the process again. You know, we cut up with each
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 26: other in college. You know, we were friends and and uh,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 26: you know, enjoyed watching him do his thing. And now
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 26: I'll get a chance to compete. So you know, anytime
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 26: you're going east to rookie quarterback and in the same class,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 26: or any quarterback in your class in general, you know,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 26: it's it's a little extra. So well, looking forward to
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 26: going out there and getting a chance to you'll play
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 26: the Bears, or how all these.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: Guys are doing throw up or how well have you
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: mind it? Or how these steps are doing.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 26: Yeah, I think the biggest things you see him on
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 26: the film. You know, I'm just watching Jayden play the
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 26: Bears defense and and watching these teams, and I think
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 26: that's it's pretty cool. I think you see some of
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 26: the highlight plays, and but I think the biggest thing
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 26: to see how the overall teams doing. And uh, that's
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 26: the main goal for you know, really all the spookys
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 26: and in this classes you'll put wins win calumn and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 26: you know, if we get no chance to do that
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 26: and we got to, we'll get some more in that column.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 26: That's the most impressive thing that Kiel does on the field,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 26: knowing his game as well as you do see him.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: Knowing him for so long.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 26: Yeah, I think just the play is never over with Caleb.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 26: That's the biggest thing. And also I think it's his
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 26: talent of throwing, making difficult throws, you know them kind
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 26: of kind of the normal, you know, the regular eye
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 26: if your quarterback you kind of see like Man's that's
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 26: a good throw. I think, you know, watching one week
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 26: he's played the Jaguar of this year. He get Keithan
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 26: Allen kind of on a little seam, you know, back shoulder.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 26: You see those like that, and like you kind of
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 26: you take that for granted. You know, he's just so talented,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 26: and I think just kind of getting through to like
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 26: I said, I get to know him and seeing compete
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 26: and you know, we never played each other, so his
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 26: first time, so it'll be pretty cool.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 20: It's been a few days, so you've got a chance
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 20: to really look at the film and reflecting that last
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 20: play and regulation in the game on Sunday. And if so,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 20: what did you see different from what you were actually
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 20: feeling at the time trying to move?
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 26: Yeah, you know they pop cover two and you know
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 26: I had Hunter. You know, within the first couple of
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 26: seconds of the play, I could have made it a
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 26: lot of easier in the back end zone. So arn
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 26: not just making a playing keep play a love, but
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 26: really probably just more you no matter myself for not
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 26: having making the play, having to play a lot less stressful.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 14: Said, he looked at you.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: Because he had a bound.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: If you give you a look.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: Like, don't you a fall exactly?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: I did?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 10: What was that look like?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 15: And what's that.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 26: Communication Like, Yeah, I think it's a better re move.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 26: You know, he's kind of waving in the back. I
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 26: saw him before, you know, I saw Madre kind of
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 26: peel back at the end. But uh, now we were
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 26: just laughing after the game about it. Those are the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 26: things that you remember, you know, looking back in twenty years,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 26: remember play like that. So it was a it was
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 26: a veteran move. And also just I think somebody told
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 26: him take hi knee, maybe coach McNeill said taking knee
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 26: instead of you know, waving like he's open.
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  Speaker 18: So understand it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I figured nobody.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 26: Nobody was guarding him, guarding him, so I figured he
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 26: probably had stepped out of bounds. So uh, just just
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 26: lucky we end up scoring.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 16: And forcing overtime.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 24: Drake character or starts now with you're looking to improve
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  Speaker 24: on and what.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: Do you think you can do better?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, affect the football.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 26: That's the biggest thing.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 16: I think.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 26: You know, there's times where you know my decision making
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 26: and you know whether it's ball scary in the pocket,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 26: and you know, knowing when that timer goes off of
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 26: my head. You know, little things like that, and other
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 26: than that, just taking taking the right play I think
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 26: is the biggest thing you're taken incompletion that last you know,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 26: it's first down, known situation, or at a third down
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 26: and around midfield the first interception I threw. You know,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 26: I think sometimes the punt's not that not the worst
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 26: thing there, you know, or maybe you go try to
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 26: make a play a check down and kind of get
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 26: a broken tackle and pick up the first so kind
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 26: of knowing the situationally, it ca almost the best play
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 26: for this football team instead of kind of you know,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 26: kind of being as aggressive in certain situations. I think
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 26: you're growing that and storing these in your situations and
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 26: these these uh kind of in my in my memory
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 26: bank for times when hey, you know I did this
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 26: last time. Maybe try a different thing, or maybe try
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 26: to be more conservative, and I kind of know when
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 26: to attack these football teams because I'm gonna be aggressive
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 26: that kind kind.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: Of over again.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 26: Yeah, No, it's cool. You know, I grew up, you know,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 26: my older brother Luke and Mason you were best friends
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 26: and got a It was pretty coul having U kind
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 26: of an older kind of friend that kind of went
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 26: through the quarterback, you know from he's from South Charlotte,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 26: was in South Carolina kind of rock Hill area. But uh,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 26: going off to college and going into the combine, going
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 26: to the drafts kind of had a guy I kind
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 26: of looked up to to kind of ask questions and
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 26: ask about the quarterback world that I knew on a
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 26: personal level. So it was it was awesome having a
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 26: guy like Mason that kind of shifted into Sam once
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 26: I got to North Carolina. But it was definitely a
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 26: pretty cool moment playing Mason and and have them growing up.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 26: And I remember being you know, five and six years
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 26: old and he was a teenager and playing quarterback in
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 26: the backyard. He was throwing me the football, So it
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 26: was pretty cool. No, it's not not toll yeahs not
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 26: toall defense. Yeah, I think I think it's the other
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 26: Bears defense. I think they're always gonna be you know, physical,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 26: physical defense. You know, the good up front, have some
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 26: good edge guys. Again, so like every d line's got
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 26: some good guys in the edge, but I got some
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 26: you know, they're gonna go after the football that we
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 26: were preaching ball security and you know, play a lot
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 26: of zone, so I think we're gonna have to You'll
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 26: find find times and in zone coverage where we gotta
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 26: find guys open and I kind of make guys uh
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 26: like yards after the catch and then they're gonna sprinkle
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 26: on some man, so win them one on ones. But
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 26: I think they're good up fronts think Edmonds in the
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 26: middle is a good player. And on the edge, like
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 26: I said, they got Montes so and you know, lockdown corn.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 26: In this league, it you got to be mindful of.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 26: So they can do a lot of different things. And
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 26: I think they they've played some good defense this year,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 26: so we got to We've got a tough challenge.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 20: With a bunch of erg What would you say in
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 20: the biggest areas and for the first five.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: Stars, where you feel like what you put on tape
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 7: and where you said, okay, I've gotten better in this
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: area incrementally you go through the first ye starts.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 26: I think my you know, my first and second down.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 26: You know, decision makings I think been big. I think
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 26: where it's run checks or you know, one high two
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 26: high stuff, different things that we're getting in out of plays.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: Be proud of the way that you.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 26: Know, I feel like I've done well. And it's perhaps
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 26: to TC in the quarterback room of what he does
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 26: and preparing us in the quarterback room of being ready
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 26: and really and that thing, you know, making some plays.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 26: I think that's part of my game and I'm proud of,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 26: you know, sometimes extending some plays and taking plays with
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 26: my feet and picking up a first down on third
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 26: down with my feet can go along way with with
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 26: an offense. So looking forward to hopefully helping do some
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 26: more of that, and you do a better job of
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 26: finding these guys you know, open and let them do
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 26: their thing.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: We can make it please.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: I notice you conferred to a bunch of long yardage situations.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: I was wondering to those kinds of get long yardage?
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  Speaker 2: Is it more instinctive when you want or are you saying,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: you know what, They're just gonna drop all the way
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  Speaker 26: Yeah, I think it's more instinctive things to kind of
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 26: feel back there. Obviously, you know, I'm I'm a pastor first,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 26: you know, I want to be a pastor in this league,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 26: and you got to be a pastor in this lead
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 26: to be successful. And I'm trying to find these guys
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 26: and when they're dropping, you know, when they're dropping seven
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 26: and rushing four and there's some rush lanes and they're
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 26: you know, the Titans had kind of a deepest mentality
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 26: to sit back and zone and kind of everybody's looking
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 26: at me. I'm like, yeah, go make a play. So
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 26: I think there's different times and times, and man, we've
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 26: got guys running away that you can kind of make
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 26: some scrambled plays. But you know, I'm trying to be
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  Speaker 11: How's it going good? Before I get to my main point,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 11: I have a comment for for Paul. I gotta tell
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 11: you you're in on it a little bit too. I
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 11: love the Seinfeld I think they're a lot more common
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 11: than people realize on the show.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 16: Had a good one today off air.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: Keep them up, Fred, Fred's a big Seinfeld guy.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, oh Fred, good, that's true.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 10: I have heard you.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: I discovered Seinfeld.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: He did.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 11: The guy Seinfeld that you Okay?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: I feel like Fred could have been on Seinfeld.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: Got that right.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got that kind of character.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 11: He got that right. And also, Paul, I don't know
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 11: if you know this, Kirkman and thinks very highly of you.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 11: He hates pretty much everyone, And he said the other
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 11: day Paul Barulo was a very nice guy. One of
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 11: the only guys who was ever nice to be treating
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 11: me normally. I like, thinks very.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: Highly Norman normally.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 11: I don't know, But.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Kirk normally and being a stand
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: up a hold of people, and that's what most of
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: the media have been to Kirk over the years was
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: not well.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, let's face that, I don't know him all
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: that well. But you know, I met him a few times.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: Seem like a guy. We actually did TV at NBC
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: Sports Boston a couple of times together. Seem like a
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: nice guy to me. I liked him. I liked him
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 11: Still rare, rare praise. But okay, into the uh, the
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 11: down part about my call. I've sort of sort of
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 11: been building up this as a Pats fans since January
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 11: when Kraft let Belichick go. I kind of sort of
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 11: turned on Craft. I mean, always love them for saving
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 11: the Patriots, but I think a lot of Pats fans
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 11: it's to me, I know you guys, you know, work
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 11: for Craft and work for Patriots, and I actually think
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 11: you're very honest, and you don't you know cowtail or
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 11: anything or you don't have any directives like you said,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 11: but I said, it might but it still might be tough.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 11: For you to think like this that he just it
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 11: sort of seems like he really just wants to be
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 11: liked by everyone. You know, he's he's turned on his
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 11: friends in the past to a p CNN and the Globe.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 11: You know, he didn't really defend Brady into flate Gate.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 11: He just wants to be liked by everyone and kind
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 11: of eventually countails to the noise when people want to
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 11: Belichick out fired the greatest coach of all time, all
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 11: he had to do was say, look, we've been trying
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 11: for a few years. At this point, you know, we
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 11: think it's best to move on. Bill's the greatest coach
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 11: of all time. We appreciate everything he's done, but we're
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 11: going to go in a different direction. He didn't do
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 11: it that way, and I think this is a major
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 11: mistake to get rid of Belichick. I'll never you know,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 11: have a different opinion on that they can win another
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 11: Super Bowl. It's not going to change my opinion, and
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 11: I'm willing to give Mayo a chance. But I think
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 11: the irony is Craft, who wants to be liked by
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 11: everyone's gonna kind of go into the end of his day.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 11: He's liked by less people for making.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: This move for getting rid of Belichick keeps me correct. Okay,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: all right, thanks Dennis.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I appreciate his opinion, and he said,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I'll never be convinced otherwise. I think it
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: was time. Yeah, And that's not because of you know,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: I kind of agree with some of the sentiments. I
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: think it would have been better if he had just
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: sort of if Robert had just sort of straightforward made
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: the move. I think he did try to kind of
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: middle it a little bit, and I think that's that's
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: backfire because I think it's drawn resentment from Bill now
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: and I think his point about being liked, Yeah, he
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: has probably alienated some people, but not I don't think
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: necessarily because he made the move. I think it was time.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: I think Robert was absolutely right to make the move.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: So I mean it's hard to I mean, I know
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: it's hard to say that when they're two and seven
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: and Mayo's going through all kinds of rookie growing pains,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: and you know, we see it every week, but it
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: wasn't people I think forget how bad it got.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: There were two and seven last year too, Yeah.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: And it looked miserable, just like it is now, Yeah,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: I think people forget.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, we all saw the dynasty and
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: all that, but I think there's still more details to
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: come out. There will be some other form of whether
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: it's a book or something that somebody else writes, that
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: will have more information on this interesting.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: So I would love it, I mean and honestly, like
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: I would just love to have and I know everybody
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 8: will clamor for the the controversy stuff, but I just
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 8: like to know his explanation for why did your football
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: team end up a four win team in twenty twenty three?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: How did you get to that point from twenty twenty
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: to that point those four seasons?
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: How why I'd like to have him honestly talk about
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: these things, you know, like so we can get into
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: the draft picks and what went into them and why
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: did they all of a sudden for five years didn't
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: have a draft class to fall back?
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: Are we talking about Bill or Bill? Yeah?
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just personally as a fan or whatever, like,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 7: I just don't really care about the owner.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: I mean that, with all due respect.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: Sports fans, we shouldn't care about the owner.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 27: Yeah, I just don't, right, That's what I mean, Right,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 27: The owner should get rich and enjoy being the owner
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 27: of the team, and fans should be focused on the
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 27: players and the coach.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: As long as as long as he's he's spending money
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 7: to make the team better and he's putting the right
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: people in charge to run the team. Those are the
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: two roles of an owner, whether he's doing things to
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: make his friends happy or not happy. Like the caller
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: was saying, like, I just don't know why that bothers you, Like,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: if that that does, that's fine. I just don't know
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: why that matters, Like why does it matter? You know,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: what he does to alienate people or not alienate people.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: Those are the two things of an owner. You know,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: mister Craft's done a great job of that for the
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 7: better part of his ownership.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: Their their job is to hire the head coach and
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: spend money when they're asked to spend money, Right.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 6: That's that's it.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 7: And if you want to critique him on the money thing,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: and I get it, But other than all his relationships
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: and stuff like that, I just I don't know why
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: that would impact how you think about him as the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: Patriots owner.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, let's kind of on the line of why it
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 8: interests me With Belichick, of just pure football, and Paul,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 8: your thing is like explicit at being like the truth,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 8: like be completely like tell us everything right. But that
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 8: to me is like, look, you won a Super Bowl
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: and then five years later you had a four to
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: one season.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: Why how like?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 8: And I think a lot of like you know, we
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 8: would sometimes joking sometimes not say that a lot of
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 8: the stuff that he was going to do was like
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 8: out of spite, like oh you want that, well, then
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: I'm going to do this. Like a lot of the
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 8: decisions along the way were kind of painted as that,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 8: which maybe there's some truth, maybe not, But I just
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 8: I still can't quite wrap my head around how the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 8: greatest coach of all time could make so many poor
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: personnel decisions over that period and not somewhere find something,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 8: you know, to stop, to build off of and to
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 8: kind of turn it around. It just a little spike
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 8: in twenty twenty one, but.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 16: Otherwise it was just straight down.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: I think there was I think, you know, things came
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: to a head with the handling of mac Jones and
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: the offense, and you know, whatever the reasons were, they
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: ended up clashing Bill and mac Jones, and you know,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: I think Bill was resentful of Mac for the way
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: he behaved in that year two and not really in
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: his mind giving Patricia in Joe Judge a chance at
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: their new positions, and so like their relationship, I think
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: fell off from there and it never got you know, healed.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: And then I think Bill was upset, maybe because he
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: felt he was forced to bring in Bill O'Brien in
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: year three. You know, so like those last four years,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: it fell apart. It fell apart. That's what happens. And
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: again I've said it before, the amazing thing is that
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: it didn't happen sooner. You know, us on teams, you
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: don't have all that success for twenty years and everything
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: you know, and you have that coach that lasts for
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: twenty years. And now I'm not saying everything was hunky dory,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: but like that you make it that far. Most teams
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: don't make it that far.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: It's it's more amazing that it did than oh, it
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: broke up after twenty four years. No, the amazing thing
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: is it didn't break up sooner.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: I think one of the more like underrated you know,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: things that are untold stories I guess that we don't
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 7: talk about enough is the amount of like brain drain
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: that left the organization. While all this was happening, you know,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: Nick Casario takes the Houston Texans job, Ernie Adams retires,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: Dante retires, Ivan Fears retires, Like you know, all these
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: guys from the dynasty that were Bill's guys that were
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 7: sort of developing these players on the coaching staff or
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: picking the players in Casario's case, like they all left
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 7: and it kind of felt like at least covering the team,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 7: that everything just then all of a sudden fell on
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: Bill And it's like, what he can't do everything right?
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: Like he couldn't evaluate the draft, coach the team and
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 7: all that all it was.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: And this is where I don't know the answer to
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: but did it have to fall on him? Was it
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: his choice to bring in maybe more high priced or
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: more experienced people to surround him, Like did he not
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: want that challenge to his authority or did he want
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: to do it and he wasn't allowed to. I don't
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: know the answer to that.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it just feels like those you know, those years
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: with those drafts, Like if you think about it, that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 7: Bill during the season is coaching the Patriots and then
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 7: he parachutes in for the draft, come January and February
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 7: and then tries to take over the draft and start
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 7: evaluating players. It's like these teams are to have these
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 7: scouting departments that are on the scene, you know, this
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: weekend at LSU Alabama, like the Patriots will have scouts there,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 7: and every other team will have scouts there, and so
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: on and so forth. And then you have the head
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: coach who's also the GM and all of a sudden
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 7: he comes in and is like, I'm gonna just cram
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: film for the next couple of weeks and then, you know,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: make my draft board out of that. I don't think
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: that that's how good teams draft, you know, how they
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: build a board. Building a board starts the fall prior.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah right, And I think if you have one
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 7: guy doing all that kind of stuff, you know it
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 7: did it felt like the details weren't there, like they
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: were spread a little bit too thin.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, and you know, and little things
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: like what happens when Robert Kraft questions him on that,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: what kind of respons does he get? Does he get
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: respected in a straight answer or does he get you know,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: and did that go on for twenty years?
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, while you're winning, you tolerate it.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you throw in there too. Josh McDaniel's
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 7: going to the Raiders and then taking like half the
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: offensive staff with him to Vegas. So you lose your
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: offensive line coach, you lose Lombardi, who is a guy
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: that they thought was, you know, coming up their ranks
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: a little bit. Josh takes all these guys with him
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: to Vegas. So that's another half the coaching staff that's
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: just wiped out. And now Matt Patricia is the offensive
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: coordinator and Joe Judges the quarterbacks coach, and like all
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: this stuff just kind of came to a head where,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: you know, all this exodus of football acumen just sort
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 7: of walked out the building.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 8: Since she's question though, I mean, certainly some of those
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 8: guys stayed the whole time, but like they had, you know,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 8: Charlie and Romeo left, and you know they were able
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 8: to overcome that, and a couple of years they had
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 8: one of the greatest offensive seasons in football history. So
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 8: it's just, well, I get it's a bigger thing of
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 8: like Ernie and Dante and you know, it's everybody, but
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 8: you can lose coordinators even.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: When you were losing Romeo. When Charlie Bill was complimented
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: for having a bench. Yeah, he's always complimented for having
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: that pipeline of young guys that started, as you know,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: assistants and had worked their way up so that when
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: you know, these guys left, somebody would start the role.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: They wouldn't get the title right away, but they'd start
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: in that role and then in a year or two
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: later they'd get the coordinator title.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: And you do wonder if it happened. I mean, obviously
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: the coaching situation you can see, but like in personnel side,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: and I don't have all the years that all this
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: stuff happened committed to memories. The timeline might not line up.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: But you talk about Cassario, he leaves, and you know,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: think about some of the guys they lost as top lieutenants,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 5: like Bob Quinn goes to Detroit to run Detroit for
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 5: a little while, Monte Austin Ford, you know, goes, John
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: Robinson goes, like these are probably guys that he probably
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: had earmarked for the replacement if and when I lose
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: Scott Pioli and then Nick Cassario and my bench is gone.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: Thomas Dimitroff even before that you know.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 7: I mean Dave Ziegler left the year afgu he went
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: with McDaniels, right, And Ziegler was a big part of
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 7: the twenty one which is probably the best draft, even
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: though it hasn't looked great now, it was probably at
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: the time the best draft that they had had in
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 7: this period of time that we're talking about.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 6: And then he leaves also.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: So it's been you know, four or five six years
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: of tough drafts. You wonder if you can tie it
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 5: back to they just didn't have the replacements in place
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: like they used to. Yeah, ye, in personnel.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, instead of a gradual exodus, it was starting to,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: you know, be more rapid fire and you couldn't keep up.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: But I don't know. It's like I said, I think
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of details that we're not privy to
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: that maybe someday we will. Let's go to back to Ohio.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: Brad's gonna give it another shot. What's up, Brad?
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 10: How you doing?
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 19: Guys?
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 11: Can you hear me?
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yep?
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 10: All right?
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 13: Great?
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 18: Uh, he love to go work, you would do great.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 16: Uh.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 19: Just a couple of thoughts I have here, Uh, primarily
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 19: about the offensive line obviously, was just the most glaring issue,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 19: is there ever a chance that will see City saw
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 19: again be able to run block even on the right
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 19: side of more uh? And then when will Kayden Wallace
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 19: be back? And is there any chance at all that
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 19: will see low sou Brown in a WINU and Wallace
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 19: all at their original position on the offensive line this year,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 19: which must sounds like it might be an asking law.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 19: But then my next question is, you know, so that
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 19: they can build continuities, do and stay keep that group together.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 19: And then with the receivers, I mean, does Evan have
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 19: any idea what's going on with Baker if he's gonna play.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: Or had a shot to play last game and he
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 4: you know, played a couple in there a couple of
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: times thanks to the call Brad.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 8: I mean, I Evan's report today with him when you
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 8: going back to left guard was like more of a
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 8: disappointment for me for City because it seems like they're
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 8: off of trying to work him in at all.
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