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UK Column News - 20th August 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's just gone one o'clock on Wednesday, the
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Speaker 1: twentieth of August twenty twenty five. Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Charles Mallett and I'm joined in the
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Speaker 1: studio today by Mike Robinson. Welcome to the program, Mike,
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Speaker 1: thank you, Charles. Good and by live link by Vanessa
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Speaker 1: Bilee from Lebanon and Sandy Adams from Somerset. Now in
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Speaker 1: today's program, we will be covering a great range of
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Speaker 1: topics from JD Vance's visit to the UK, including a
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Speaker 1: look into his past and how that relates to his
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Speaker 1: relationship with Peter Teel and Pallanteer. A further look at
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Speaker 1: online safety and in particular how it's being used as
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Speaker 1: a pretext for pushing to get rid of VPNs, as
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Speaker 1: of course was predicted by UK column. A further look
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Speaker 1: into the fallout from the Alaska meeting between Trump and
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Speaker 1: Putin and how that bears relation to what's happening in Syria.
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Speaker 1: News from Australia concerning the suggestion of financial motivation for
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Speaker 1: abortion and cybersecurity in the wake of the Bayesian disaster
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Speaker 1: of a year ago. Also an on the ground update
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Speaker 1: from the precarious situation in Lebanon and the ever increasing
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Speaker 1: reach of the bi security state. Now, before all of that,
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Speaker 1: we will go to Mike for his take, and indeed,
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Speaker 1: a report on the Coalition of the Willing.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, we can't really call it that because it
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Speaker 2: wasn't the whole coalition of the Willing. They're not claiming
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Speaker 2: that the Coalition of the Willing is thirty heads of state.
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Speaker 2: But nonetheless several of them headed off to the United
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Speaker 2: States on Wednesday. Starmer, the EU leaders and Celensky landed
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Speaker 2: in Washington on Wednesday to try and keep the Ukraine
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Speaker 2: war going, and I determined not to be left eyed.
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Speaker 2: They worked on Trump to try to get boots on
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Speaker 2: the ground otherwise known as security guarantees. Trump has apparently
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Speaker 2: not ruled out the possibility of US boots on the ground,
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Speaker 2: but the main aim is to deploy EU troops and
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Speaker 2: I include the UK and that as one of the
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Speaker 2: leaders of European Defense Union.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: Trump said, there'll be in a lot of help when
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Speaker 2: it comes to security. It's going to be good. They
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Speaker 2: meaning Europe are first in line, first line of defense
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Speaker 2: because they're there, but we're going to help them. Also,
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Speaker 2: will be involved when it comes, he said. And as
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Speaker 2: I mentioned, he also refused three times to rule out
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Speaker 2: sending US troops to Ukraine, despite previously saying that he
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Speaker 2: would not put American boots on the ground. We'll let
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Speaker 2: you know that maybe later today, he said. Now, Starmer said,
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Speaker 2: when we talk about security, we're talking about security not
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Speaker 2: just in Ukraine. We're talking about the security of Europe
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Speaker 2: and the United Kingdom as well, which is why this
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Speaker 2: is such an important issue. But your indication and of
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Speaker 2: sure security guarantees, speaking to Trump of some sort of
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Speaker 2: Article five style guarantees, I think we could take a
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Speaker 2: really this could take a really important step forward today,
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Speaker 2: a historic step actually could come out of this meeting
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Speaker 2: in terms of security for Ukraine and security in Europe.
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Speaker 2: I will come back to that in a moment. But
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Speaker 2: asked about sorry, asked what security guarantees he needed to
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Speaker 2: agree to peace, Zelensky said, everything. It includes two parts. First,
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Speaker 2: a strong Ukrainian army. It's a lot about weapons and
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Speaker 2: people and training, missions and intelligence. And second, it depends
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Speaker 2: on big countries, on the United States, on a lot
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Speaker 2: of our friends. Trump suggested a permanent peace could be
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Speaker 2: negotiated without a ceasefar Mert said no to that, I
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Speaker 2: can't imagine. He said, the next meeting would take place
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Speaker 2: without a seas far. Let's try to put pressure on Russia,
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Speaker 2: because the credibility of these efforts depends on a seas far.
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Speaker 2: And he went on to say, the question of who
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Speaker 2: will participate in the security guarantees and to what extent,
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Speaker 2: and it is something we must of course discuss between
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Speaker 2: our European partners and with the US administration. It's absolutely
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Speaker 2: clear that the whole of Europe should participate. After all,
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Speaker 2: it's not just about the territory of Ukraine. It is
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Speaker 2: about Europe's political order. And that is an absolutely incredible statement, Charles,
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Speaker 2: because as you know, he is arguing for a real
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Speaker 2: EU level military deployment as being key to the development
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Speaker 2: of the EU itself. And that's exactly what we've been
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Speaker 2: warning about for a decade or more so. Anyway, later
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Speaker 2: yesterday evening, NATO or sorry, on Wednesday evening, NATO Secretary
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Speaker 2: General Mark Ruddis spoke to Fox News and this is
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Speaker 2: what he had This is reported by Rutters here, but
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Speaker 2: let's have a look at what he had to say.
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Speaker 2: He said, the situation is this that the US and
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Speaker 2: some other countries have said that they are against NATO
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Speaker 2: membership for Ukraine. The official NATO position is that there
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Speaker 2: is an irreversible path for Ukraine and NATO. But what
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Speaker 2: we're discussing here is not NATO membership. What we're discussing
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Speaker 2: here is Article five type of security guarantees for Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: and what exactly they will entail will now be more
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Speaker 2: specifically discussed. So clearly they are expecting that while Russia
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Speaker 2: considers nittle membership for Ukraine to be a bad or
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Speaker 2: to be a red line, sorry, that they'll somehow that
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Speaker 2: Russia will somehow capitulate on an alternative, which is tantamid
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Speaker 2: to it to nittle membership. So we'll see how that goes.
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Speaker 2: And well, because I can't possibly let this report conclude
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Speaker 2: without some degree of said amstochistic torture, here's a little
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Speaker 2: of what care Starmer said following the meeting.
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Speaker 4: So back at the British Embassy. Now, after a long day,
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Speaker 4: but a good day and a productive day because both
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Speaker 4: of the outcomes that we the United Kingdom most wanted,
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Speaker 4: we've moved forward in a material way and there was
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Speaker 4: a real sense of unity between the European leaders that
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Speaker 4: we're here today and President Trump and Present Zelenski, and
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Speaker 4: two big outcomes, a breakthrough when it comes to security
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Speaker 4: guarantees with now the coalitional willing countries, that's the thirty
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Speaker 4: or so countries that we've been coordinating for some months
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Speaker 4: on security guarantees, now working with the US at pace
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Speaker 4: to work up those security guarantees. These guarantees will ensure
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Speaker 4: that if there is a piece, if there is a deal,
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Speaker 4: then we hold to it and there isn't further conflict.
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Speaker 4: So really important for Ukraine, really important for Europe, and
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Speaker 4: really important for the United Kingdom as well. That's why
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Speaker 4: it's an outcome we really wanted to achieve today. The
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Speaker 4: second is that there will now be a bilateral meeting
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Speaker 4: between President Putin and President Zelenski after a phone called
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Speaker 4: by President Trump during the course of this afternoon to
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Speaker 4: prison and Putin, followed by trilateral meeting with President Trump
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Speaker 4: as well. Now that's really important because it's a real
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Speaker 4: recognition of the principle that no decisions about Ukraine can
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Speaker 4: be taken without Ukraine. Ukraine must be at the table.
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Speaker 4: So whether it's territorial issues, whether it's prisoners, whether it's
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Speaker 4: the missing children are really important step forward there. Now,
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Speaker 4: these were both the outcomes that we planned for and
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Speaker 4: wanted from today because with that sense of unity, we're
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Speaker 4: able to make real progress.
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Speaker 2: So hopefully that wasn't too pinless but pin full. Sorry
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Speaker 2: to apologize.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: All of this was followed up with a virtual meeting
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Speaker 2: yesterday of the so called Coalition of the Willing that
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Speaker 2: Starmer mentioned there, and according to the READUD, the Coalition
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Speaker 2: of the Willing is planning that teams will meet with
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Speaker 2: their US kind of parts in the next few days
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Speaker 2: to quote further strength and plans to deliver robust security
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Speaker 2: guarantees and prepare for the deployment of a reassurance force
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Speaker 2: if the if the hostilities are ended, so apparently there
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Speaker 2: will be As Starman mentioned there, there's going to be
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Speaker 2: this bilateral Zelenski put in meeting full by a trilateral
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Speaker 2: adding Trump back into the mix with the aim of
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Speaker 2: an Article five style guarantee for Ukraine with EU Defense
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Speaker 2: Union boots on the ground, so called reassurance force. This
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Speaker 2: is all setting up a scenario for some kind of
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Speaker 2: incident I would argue blamed on Russia, which enables permanent
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Speaker 2: conflict perhaps Russia would be mad to accept this in
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Speaker 2: my opinion, although it has to be streadded stressed that
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Speaker 2: nothing has been said yet about Russia about what Russia
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Speaker 2: is being offered. It's going to have to be something big,
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Speaker 2: probably an offer they can't refuse, so to speak. So
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know Charles what you make of it,
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Speaker 2: but you know, you notice when Starmer was speaking there
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Speaker 2: the coalition that we are coordinating. This is a British effort.
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I mean I think there are so many
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Speaker 1: points to drawer to this and I'd say we won't
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Speaker 1: have time as we'll go on into into extra with this,
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Speaker 1: but I think one of the first things just finishing
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Speaker 1: on what you were saying there. In terms of reassurance,
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Speaker 1: I think it would really only be the defense industry
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Speaker 1: that takes reassurance from anything that's being proposed so far.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting to see how the narrative has moved
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Speaker 1: on over the last few months because, of course, when
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Speaker 1: we were discussing this several months ago, this coincided with
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Speaker 1: the supposed deal for rare earth minerals that Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: had apparently struck with Ukraine, and that was when there
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Speaker 1: was a suggestion of a peacekeeping force, and that's of
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Speaker 1: course been pushed quietly to one side, because certainly, if
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Speaker 1: one is to follow what the United Nations sets out,
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Speaker 1: a peacekeeping force specifically requires the consent of all parties
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Speaker 1: to a conflict, and of course Russia had been very
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Speaker 1: clear state that they were not going to guarantee that
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Speaker 1: they would go along with any such things. I think
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Speaker 1: that's an important point. I think the other thing really
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Speaker 1: is just the that you know, you've brought a lot
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Speaker 1: of the sort of narrative points out of this, and
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Speaker 1: I've printed out a little bit of it, but it's
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Speaker 1: the language used is just completely suggestive of.
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Speaker 4: War.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about peace and then talking about
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Speaker 1: a force that can deploy in the days following the
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Speaker 1: cessation of hostilities. Of course, we've got four point five
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Speaker 1: billion pounds worth of military support going to Ukraine this year,
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Speaker 1: talking about the drone industry and all the rest of it.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing I think is radikin Chief of
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Speaker 1: Defense Staff, who should be regarded absolutely as a politician
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Speaker 1: and a propagandist in all of this, and to consider
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Speaker 1: that he has any other part to play, I think
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Speaker 1: is willfully naive. But he spoke last week in Washington
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Speaker 1: to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and he
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Speaker 1: said his sort of opening gambit was to say that
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Speaker 1: we're in a new, more dangerous era, but Britain remains safe,
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Speaker 1: NATO is stronger, Russia is weak, and that was the
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Speaker 1: line of what he had to say. He went on
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Speaker 1: to talk about the sort of advent of conflict, and
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Speaker 1: again I think the point to be made there is
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Speaker 1: we're right back to the beginning in terms of suggesting
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Speaker 1: that we must be next, rather than listening to anything
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Speaker 1: that Putin or the Russian administration has actually said about
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Speaker 1: their objectives. This insistence that Kiev should have fallen because
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Speaker 1: that's what they were setting out to do, and an
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Speaker 1: actual fact, there's no substantive evidence of that point being
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Speaker 1: pursued at all. So I mean a huge amount come
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Speaker 1: out of this, but as I say, it's all pointing
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Speaker 1: towards the reconstruction and the seizing of I mean, ironically,
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Speaker 1: the seizing of all things Ukrainian by this supposed coalition
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Speaker 1: of the willing, to the benefit of the defense industry.
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Speaker 2: I would say, Vanessa, before we move on to your
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Speaker 2: segment here, do you have any thoughts on that meeting.
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Speaker 5: No, except as I'll try to demonstrate in my segment
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Speaker 5: that I don't think you can divorce whatever conversations were
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Speaker 5: ongoing even before Trump's inauguration about the Ukraine deal and
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Speaker 5: how Syria in particular was involved in those conversations and
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Speaker 5: potential concessions made by Russia to allow the toppling of
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Speaker 5: the Syrian government after fourteen years of resistance against a
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Speaker 5: regime change war. And so I think while we're sort
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Speaker 5: of being tunnel visioned towards only looking at Ukraine in
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Speaker 5: this instance, in my opinion, it also incorporates other deals
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Speaker 5: that are going on globally between Russia and the US.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, why don't we move on to the potential
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Speaker 2: other deals. I mean, what are your thoughts on this
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Speaker 2: whole exercise right from the Alaska meeting.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean what we've actually seen, of course,
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Speaker 5: And we have to remember timing is always incredibly important,
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Speaker 5: and the timing has been just as Israel is ramping
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Speaker 5: up its final solution against the Gazas Garzens in sorry,
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Speaker 5: the Palestinians in Gaza and in the occupied territories, and
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Speaker 5: also increasing pressure on Lubanon for the resistance to disarm.
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Speaker 5: So all of this is going on at the same
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Speaker 5: time as the Alaska Summit, and that if we look
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Speaker 5: at what's going on in Syria, and this is very
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Speaker 5: much why I think it's intrinsically connected to discussions over
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Speaker 5: Ukraine and concessions potentially being made by the US and Russia.
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Speaker 5: And you will remember that earlier this year on uk Column,
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Speaker 5: we mentioned quite a few times that Tel Aviv, Israel
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Speaker 5: has been lobbying for keeping the Russian military bases in
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Speaker 5: Syria effectively to contain Turkey, prevent Erduine's near Ottoman expansionism,
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Speaker 5: but also effectively to keep Iran or Iranian influence out
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Speaker 5: of Syria. And then leading up to the Alaska Summit,
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Speaker 5: it's very interesting because we then had discussions between the
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Speaker 5: Syrian al Qaeda regime, of course put in place by
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Speaker 5: the Washington Alliance, meeting with Russia, and then suddenly Russia
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Speaker 5: having access again to the south in Syria, in other words,
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Speaker 5: restoring the patrols that it used to do under the
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Speaker 5: SAD government to one prevent Iran or any organizations affiliated
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Speaker 5: with Iran reaching the border of the occupied Goland territory.
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Speaker 5: But also I think In this instance, what is effectively
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Speaker 5: happening is Russia is collaborating with Israel to police the
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Speaker 5: south and to allow Israel to expand towards the David
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Speaker 5: Corridor going up the eastern border with Jordan and Irak
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Speaker 5: in Syria. At the same time Russia is expanding since
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Speaker 5: March isn't in northeast Syria, which of course is currently
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Speaker 5: held by the British factions under the control of the
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Speaker 5: United States, but also support by Israel because the David
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Speaker 5: Corridor will effectively link with the Kurdish health territory in
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Speaker 5: the northeast. Israeli think tanks have also been reporting on
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Speaker 5: this quite happily without any criticism. So this is from
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Speaker 5: Almo Research and Education Center, Renewed Russian entrenchment Northeastern Syria
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Speaker 5: in Karmishli and so as I said, since March, Russia
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Speaker 5: has been building not only its military reinforcements in Karmishlei.
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Speaker 5: And this is a map showing exactly where Karmishlei is
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Speaker 5: and how it's dead center in the middle of the
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Speaker 5: area which is effectively controlled by the Kurds. Now, this
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Speaker 5: comes at a time that the US is reducing its
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Speaker 5: military footprint in the northeast, which effectively has the potential
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Speaker 5: to leave the Kurds relatively defenseless. So that could be
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Speaker 5: that Washington sees Russia as a tool for tactical stability
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Speaker 5: and to replace their role supporting the Kurds again against Turkey.
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Speaker 5: And also there has been a talk of Russia supplying
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Speaker 5: weapons to Jolani because Trump has effectively washed his hands
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Speaker 5: of them and has said that he's not going to
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Speaker 5: be supplying weapons in the future and that they should
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Speaker 5: go to Turkey and Russia. So in my opinion, what
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Speaker 5: we're seeing is a kind of rebalancing of Russia's role
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Speaker 5: in Syria, and if you like, a strategic move from Russia,
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Speaker 5: which i'll talk about now, to secure the oil and
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Speaker 5: gas hydrocarbon resources that it had control of under the
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Speaker 5: Sad government. So of course, what we've seen recently is
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Speaker 5: the so called peace talks between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the
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Speaker 5: effective occupation of the Zangazur character corridor on the border
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Speaker 5: with northwestern Iran by US corporate interest, which means of
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Speaker 5: course they're military contractors, which opens the door to Israel
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Speaker 5: on the border with Iran, and Turkey has effectively put
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Speaker 5: itself at the bridgehead of supplying gas from Baku via
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Speaker 5: killis Aleppo pipeline killers in southern Turkey with the support
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Speaker 5: of Katar. And of course the war began back in
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Speaker 5: two thousand and nine Whenasad basically refused or turned down
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Speaker 5: the Katari Turkish pipeline in favor of the Russian Iranian one.
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Speaker 5: But if we actually look at this corridor, so this
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Speaker 5: is going from Baku and Azerbaijan to kill us there
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Speaker 5: as you can see in southern Turkey. Now that pipeline
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Speaker 5: there is some controversy over whether it is actually now
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Speaker 5: open or not, but I want you to look at
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Speaker 5: the green line. So basically it's coming down from southern Turkey,
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Speaker 5: coming from Azerbaijan to southern Turkey, through northern Syria, down
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Speaker 5: through Jordan and then to Israel, which is the primary
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Speaker 5: target of course of the Baku oil. And it's been
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Speaker 5: supplied through Turkey throughout the genocide of the Palestine in
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Speaker 5: San Gaza. But also look at the corridor that goes
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Speaker 5: into Banyas and TRIPLEI and Lebanon. And that's what we've
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Speaker 5: talked about the importance of Tripoli. Why the Americans are
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Speaker 5: pushing Joe Lani to effectively annex northern Lebanon and take
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Speaker 5: control of Tripoli. Turkey is also competing for influence over Tripli. So,
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Speaker 5: as I've said before, what we're now seeing in the
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Speaker 5: world today is this new type of multi spectrum conflict
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Speaker 5: taking control of all economic and resource corridors, trade corridors,
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Speaker 5: military routes, and so on. And again let's have a
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Speaker 5: look at the Cookok Banyas pipeline. So again remember this
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Speaker 5: is going into territory that Russia has been allowed to
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Speaker 5: keep control of. So going from Kokok in Iraq, through
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Speaker 5: Syria Central Syria into Banyas controlled by Russia, preventing Turkey
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Speaker 5: from extending its control into the coastal area. And then finally,
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Speaker 5: I just want to have a quick look at this
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Speaker 5: map which incorporates all of it, which I think is
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Speaker 5: going to be clear. So you have on the coast
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Speaker 5: Russian influence maintained with the approval of Washington. In the south,
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Speaker 5: now they're going to extend their patrols and their military
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Speaker 5: bases which they already had under the sad government. And
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Speaker 5: then that triangulates up to Comishli in the northeast.
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Speaker 2: So what does that do that actually.
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Speaker 5: Traverses the two main corridors that are going to come
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Speaker 5: in from Azerbaijan through Syria to Israel and from Kirkuk
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Speaker 5: to Banyas. And remembering that the Azerbaijan corridor also has,
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Speaker 5: if you like, a mini corridor going off to Banyas
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Speaker 5: which is under the control of the Russians. So I
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Speaker 5: think what you're seeing right now, and particularly with the
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Speaker 5: Alaska Summit, is the maneuvering between Russia, Washington, and Israel
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Speaker 5: to enable Israeli expansion, but also to as I said,
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Speaker 5: practical stability for Washington's interests in Syria, particularly the resources,
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Speaker 5: but for Russia potentially to be able to protect its
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Speaker 5: interests in South Caucuses by having a foothold in the
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Speaker 5: Zangazur Corridor and in Azerboshan. Now, of course this potentially
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Speaker 5: brings it into conflict with Iran and the North South
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Speaker 5: Trade Corridor, which is part of their strategic partnership, and
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Speaker 5: that is potentially why Russia is now making overtures towards
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Speaker 5: Afghanistan to divert the North South Corridor through Afghanistan rather
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Speaker 5: than through Azerbaijan. So we're seeing a very different kind
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Speaker 5: of war right now, a lot of maneuvering, a lot
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Speaker 5: of very interesting alliances and potential disruptions of existing strategic partnership.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Vanessa, Thanks very Nasa. And of course, as you say,
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Speaker 1: control being absolutely at the heart of it. And I
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Speaker 1: hope we'll have more time to talk about that and
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Speaker 1: extra specifically regard to Iran, which of course must be
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Speaker 1: mentioned in a more full context. I think no, we
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Speaker 1: will have to move on, but again continuing on in
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Speaker 1: a way the theme of sort of control of everything,
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Speaker 1: We're going to go to Sandy. Now, who's going to
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Speaker 1: talk about JD Vance And did some of the relationships
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Speaker 1: that he has with a certain set of influential people.
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Speaker 6: Yes, thanks very much, Charles. I've been looking at JD
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Speaker 6: Vance this week because obviously he took his working summer
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Speaker 6: holiday in the UK last week and his first stop
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Speaker 6: was well, his second stop was Schevening was was sorry
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Speaker 6: the matt Dean manor where he hired a house. It
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Speaker 6: wasn't him that organized it, it was s George Osbone,
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Speaker 6: but I'll get onto that. And so his first stop
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Speaker 6: was in Schevening House in Seven Oaks in Kent, where
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Speaker 6: he went fishing with David Lammy. Apparently they bonded quite
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Speaker 6: well on their deprived backgrounds and Christianity apparently, so the
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Speaker 6: logistics of this trip was organized by former Chancellor George Osborne. He,
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Speaker 6: along with David Cameron, apparently lived nearby. So it's interesting
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Speaker 6: that that Cameron sorry Osborne also organized a meeting at
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Speaker 6: Dean House, Dean Manor with shadow Ministers Robert Jenerck, Chris
22:28
Speaker 6: Phil Laura Trott and Sir Paul Marshall at a drinks
22:32
Speaker 6: party reception hosted by Vance. Now George Osborne's involvement in
22:37
Speaker 6: Vance's trip showcases his skill at transforming old political ties
22:41
Speaker 6: into ongoing current scenarios, and his role as holiday planner
22:47
Speaker 6: was really more than a personal favor. It was an
22:51
Speaker 6: example of how a retired politicians managed to remain in
22:56
Speaker 6: power brokers, basically in shaping connections and narratives long after
23:01
Speaker 6: leaving office. So the tiny village of Dean it should
23:07
Speaker 6: was thrown into chaos with motor cocaids and police and
23:10
Speaker 6: security staff taking over. And of course there was a
23:14
Speaker 6: good deal of anti Trump protesters there and I think
23:20
Speaker 6: we've got a slide of anti Trump protesters, so we
23:23
Speaker 6: are they didn't like it at all, And of course
23:26
Speaker 6: I'm sure some of them were organized, but that the
23:31
Speaker 6: locals really did didn't really enjoy the fact that jd
23:36
Speaker 6: Vance took up all the disabled bays at the local shop,
23:41
Speaker 6: the local farm shop, and nobody could get in there.
23:46
Speaker 6: Where he saw he had a meeting with Lord and lady.
23:49
Speaker 6: I think it was yeah Bamford of the JCB fame anyway,
23:55
Speaker 6: So who is jd Vance? Has he been cherry picked
23:59
Speaker 6: for success? I believe he has. He wrote this book,
24:02
Speaker 6: Hillbilly Illogy in twenty sixteen it was published, which then
24:07
Speaker 6: became a Hollywood film. And in this book he talks
24:12
Speaker 6: about his awful, you know, dysfunctional childhood as a hillbilly
24:17
Speaker 6: in the Appalachian Mountains in the US, and how he
24:20
Speaker 6: ever elevated himself for this from this life by joining
24:25
Speaker 6: the Marines and then attending Yale Law School and eventually
24:29
Speaker 6: being he was catapulted really into the political arena at
24:33
Speaker 6: great speed. And everyone loves the rags to riches a
24:36
Speaker 6: story hillbilly boy overcomes adversity and becomes Vice president of
24:43
Speaker 6: the USA. People love all that, don't they? So is
24:47
Speaker 6: this what he's there for? And I think it is.
24:50
Speaker 6: So when did he form a close working relationship with
24:54
Speaker 6: Peter Teel. Advance's connection with peace Teel began during his
24:57
Speaker 6: post law school years after his Yale law graduation in
25:02
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen, he briefly practiced law and then moved into
25:06
Speaker 6: tech and venture capital, and from then he joined he
25:12
Speaker 6: teamed up with obviously with Peter Teel from Palenteer, and
25:16
Speaker 6: I think we've got a side of Palenteers. We know
25:18
Speaker 6: it's a tech giant. You know, they are really behind
25:24
Speaker 6: an awful lot of the rather transhumanist stuff that's going on,
25:28
Speaker 6: gene editing and what have you. Now Advance, first of all,
25:35
Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen he worked for Mythreel Capital,
25:39
Speaker 6: which was Peter Teele's venture firm, and all the while
25:43
Speaker 6: he continued to work on his memoir Hillbilly Elegy and
25:48
Speaker 6: then he which was always always financed really by Teal.
25:52
Speaker 6: Teal was his bank role basically, and he had a
25:57
Speaker 6: lasting relationship with him. But he then was donated ten
26:03
Speaker 6: million pounds by Deal to back his Senate bid in
26:07
Speaker 6: March twenty twenty one and helped shape and fund his
26:11
Speaker 6: political career. Now Vance had been transformed really from a
26:17
Speaker 6: Trump critic to a Trump supporter. He once called Trump
26:23
Speaker 6: and American hitler, and now he's one of his most
26:27
Speaker 6: effective defenders and fundraisers. Teal brought Vance to this his
26:33
Speaker 6: very first meeting with Trump at Mary Lago in February
26:36
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one. According to The New York Times, now
26:39
Speaker 6: thanks to Teal's financial and strategic support, Dvance has surged
26:45
Speaker 6: really from being an underdog to winning the Ohio primary
26:48
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two. So you know, he's really had
26:54
Speaker 6: this meteorite, you know, sort of rise to fame, and
26:58
Speaker 6: so you know, you've got to ask yourself why he
27:01
Speaker 6: fulfills a very important role. He's a brand and ambassador
27:05
Speaker 6: for populism, giving ordinary Americans hope that they're being defended.
27:08
Speaker 6: I think. But the policies and corporations tied to his network, talenteer,
27:13
Speaker 6: black Rock, AI driven governance, surveillance, capitalism, they point to
27:20
Speaker 6: the polar opposite of sovereignty. So it's really interesting the
27:24
Speaker 6: way that this narrative is playing out, and it might
27:28
Speaker 6: be a deception strategy in my view. Advance functions as
27:32
Speaker 6: supposed to boy for populism, Catholic patriotic working class, while
27:37
Speaker 6: behind the scenes heals companies and allies build a very globalist,
27:41
Speaker 6: technocratic system that populists think that they're resisting. So it's
27:47
Speaker 6: all very interesting. His meeting in the UK with Farage,
27:52
Speaker 6: Generic and others under the control of David Cameron and
27:55
Speaker 6: George Osborne, who lets face It work for black Rock
27:58
Speaker 6: for one day a week for five hundred pounds per annum,
28:02
Speaker 6: you know five yeah, I mean need five hundred thousand
28:04
Speaker 6: per annum. So this is a little bit unsettling really
28:07
Speaker 6: because there's this whole other thing working behind in the background.
28:13
Speaker 6: And then there's the Catholicism. I mean, vance Can converted
28:16
Speaker 6: to Catholicism in twenty nineteen having been an atheist to
28:20
Speaker 6: please Heal. And there's Cosolicism in Silicon Valley, which is
28:26
Speaker 6: really really odd. I mean it's actually apparently this is
28:32
Speaker 6: from Vanity Fair, an article in Vanity Fair, which is
28:36
Speaker 6: Christianity was borderline illegal in Silicon Valley and now it's
28:40
Speaker 6: the new religion. So what is going on here? It's
28:44
Speaker 6: all very odd, And Peter Teel said he's got a
28:49
Speaker 6: quote here. One part of the Christian faith that I
28:53
Speaker 6: believe more strongly than anything, is that death is evil
28:57
Speaker 6: and we should not accept it and fight it or
29:00
Speaker 6: any way we can now that is really a transhumanist
29:05
Speaker 6: way of talking about religion, and it's his religion. He's
29:10
Speaker 6: playing God. So what we're looking at really is this
29:13
Speaker 6: dichotomy between the spiritual death and a physical death. So
29:17
Speaker 6: they're buying into transhumanism and the whole thing is really
29:23
Speaker 6: playing with our minds, messing with our minds. Now, we
29:25
Speaker 6: have to remember that Pope Francis did launch the seventeen
29:28
Speaker 6: sustainable Goals in twenty thirty with Obama in twenty twenty
29:32
Speaker 6: fifteen at the Vatican, So there is a whole story
29:35
Speaker 6: playing out here. So it's just interesting what's really going
29:40
Speaker 6: on with the whole Christian Catholic narrative.
29:45
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29:48
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29:51
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29:55
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29:57
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32:30
Speaker 1: back in fact to last year and a recap of
32:34
Speaker 1: a set of apparently extraordinary events which did take place
32:38
Speaker 1: a year ago. Now on the nineteenth of August, the
32:42
Speaker 1: yacht belonging to Mike Lynch, the cyber Tycoon, capsized and
32:50
Speaker 1: off the course of Sicily during a storm. Now almost
32:54
Speaker 1: exactly the same moment, a runner with a head injury
32:56
Speaker 1: died in hospital in Cambridgeshire. First I shown on screen.
33:01
Speaker 1: This was the death of Steve Lynn Chamberlain and there
33:03
Speaker 1: were no witnesses. He was on a regular running route.
33:06
Speaker 1: This was deemed not suspicious and the inquest report says
33:10
Speaker 1: Stephen Chamberlain was a highly experienced and safety conscious ultra runner,
33:14
Speaker 1: but simply noted durn the cause of death as a
33:16
Speaker 1: road traffic collision. Now, if you're wondering why any of
33:19
Speaker 1: this is relevant. We'll see where we get to by
33:22
Speaker 1: the end of the report, and then I think it
33:23
Speaker 1: might make sense to you. But as stories emerged from
33:28
Speaker 1: the capsize of the BAYSI in itself, it became clear
33:31
Speaker 1: that Mike Lynch, the co founder of Autonomy and deed
33:35
Speaker 1: defendant in a case brought by Hewlett Packard concerning fraud.
33:40
Speaker 1: In that Hewlett Packard argued that Lynch and Chamberlain had
33:43
Speaker 1: inflated the value of Autonomy their company in order to
33:46
Speaker 1: sell it to Hewlett Packard. This timing, of course, is
33:50
Speaker 1: of great significance. Also on board we had Jonathan Bloomer,
33:54
Speaker 1: who was a witness during the protracted legal proceedings, also dead,
34:00
Speaker 1: and indeed Chris Morvillo, who represented Lynch and Chamberlain in
34:04
Speaker 1: the ongoing legal battle. Now in twenty twenty two there
34:09
Speaker 1: was a ruling that the fraud had occurred. This involved
34:13
Speaker 1: Lynch being extradited to the United States, being generated, and
34:17
Speaker 1: then indeed a celebration trip on the Bayesian which we've
34:21
Speaker 1: just shown. Now for more detail on the curious circumstances
34:25
Speaker 1: of the specific cap size, I would point you towards
34:29
Speaker 1: new lines magazine. An excellent article written earlier this year
34:32
Speaker 1: by Floriana Balfon. Link will be in the show notes.
34:37
Speaker 1: Now what I would say with regard to the name
34:44
Speaker 1: of the yachts as a curiosity of course, Bayesian mathematics
34:48
Speaker 1: being concerning probability in relation to the balance between previously
34:53
Speaker 1: held data and new evidence, so sort of bizarre echoes there.
35:00
Speaker 1: With regard to the accident itself, the Marine Accident Investigation
35:05
Speaker 1: Board have only managed to get as far as an
35:09
Speaker 1: interim report, which was published in May of this year,
35:13
Speaker 1: very scant on detail, and the only substantive point really
35:16
Speaker 1: is to say that the findings indicate that the extreme
35:19
Speaker 1: wind experienced by the Bayesian was sufficient to knock the
35:23
Speaker 1: yacht over further. Once the yacht had healed beyond an
35:26
Speaker 1: angle of seventy degrees, the situation was irrecoverable. Now as
35:30
Speaker 1: a standalone point that might be reasonable, but interesting to
35:33
Speaker 1: note that moor very nearby was the Sir Robert Baden Parle,
35:37
Speaker 1: which was had a whole built in the nineteen fifties
35:40
Speaker 1: only a couple of hundred yards way, owned and skippered
35:42
Speaker 1: by a man called Caston Borner, and it rode out
35:45
Speaker 1: the storm by engaging its engines and turning into the wind. Now,
35:47
Speaker 1: the Bayesian was equipped with far superior instrumentation and indeed
35:51
Speaker 1: mechanical capabilities, but didn't take any such action, which again
35:55
Speaker 1: raises a large number of questions one would imagine that
35:58
Speaker 1: will be covered by the Marine Accident and Investigation Board. Now,
36:03
Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, which is what really brings
36:06
Speaker 1: us to the relevance of all of this, is that
36:08
Speaker 1: the High Court issued a judgment on Hewlett Packard's claim
36:12
Speaker 1: against the estate of Mike Lynch. Now, the initial claim
36:15
Speaker 1: is for three billion pounds, and mister Justice Hillyard in
36:20
Speaker 1: summing up described the death of Lynch as being tragically
36:24
Speaker 1: and almost unbelievably coincident with that of Chamberlain, but didn't
36:28
Speaker 1: give any further comment. Now, the ruling is that the
36:32
Speaker 1: Lynch estate must pay at least seven hundred million to
36:37
Speaker 1: Hewlett Packard, and this is as the main financial services
36:41
Speaker 1: and Markets claim act with the other sum's attached takes
36:45
Speaker 1: it to over seven hundred million, which is believed to
36:48
Speaker 1: be a sum that will bankrupt the estate of Mike Lynch. Now,
36:53
Speaker 1: concurrent with all of this have been the activities of
36:56
Speaker 1: dark Trace, the cybersecurity business which case was set up
37:00
Speaker 1: by Lynch with the proceeds of the sale of Autonomy
37:03
Speaker 1: via Invoke Capital, and just shown on screen here is
37:07
Speaker 1: the former chief executive, Poppy Gustafson with Anne Keith Butler,
37:11
Speaker 1: the current director of GCHQ, who turned down my invitation
37:14
Speaker 1: to join our on location event in Cheltenham earlier this year.
37:18
Speaker 1: But nonetheless very interesting to see the relationship that dark
37:21
Speaker 1: Trace does have with the intelligence services. So one must
37:25
Speaker 1: ask is it any coincidence that Gristuffson was ennobled in
37:29
Speaker 1: the autumn and is now the Minister for Investment from
37:33
Speaker 1: her position in the House of Lords. Now she still shares, sorry,
37:37
Speaker 1: she still holds shares in dark Trace and has been
37:41
Speaker 1: central to a raft of very significant investments into the
37:44
Speaker 1: United Kingdom described a course by the government as being
37:47
Speaker 1: advantageous to the United Kingdom, which I might say is
37:50
Speaker 1: questionable at best. Now. Coincident with all of this was
37:56
Speaker 1: the sale of dark Trace to Toma Bravo, which one
38:00
Speaker 1: of the largest portfolios of cybersecurity businesses in the world
38:03
Speaker 1: and its sponsors what shown on screen, which is called
38:06
Speaker 1: the Cyber Consortium, and it should be of note that
38:09
Speaker 1: since Gustufson came into government, Dark Trace has secured its
38:13
Speaker 1: largest ever contract with that same government at two point
38:16
Speaker 1: seven million, which might not sound like a huge amount
38:19
Speaker 1: of money, but given the explosion of entities that are
38:22
Speaker 1: described as being in need of autonomous cyber protection, it's
38:26
Speaker 1: fair to speculate that this is likely to represent the
38:29
Speaker 1: thin end of the wedge. And again, just to illustrate
38:33
Speaker 1: sort of where this appears to be going, two of
38:35
Speaker 1: the recent investments that Gustafson is said to have facilitated
38:39
Speaker 1: are the one billion pound commitment from DP World. Now
38:44
Speaker 1: Ben was speaking about this very thing on Monday, but
38:48
Speaker 1: just to make the point that the freeport that he
38:49
Speaker 1: was talking about is in fact owned and managed by
38:53
Speaker 1: DP World, which of course is based in the United
38:55
Speaker 1: Arab Emirates and has been involved in the very controversial
38:58
Speaker 1: port of Berbera in the Horn of Africa concerning the
39:01
Speaker 1: sovereignty of Somaliland underdeed relations with Ethiopia. So wheels within wheels,
39:07
Speaker 1: one might say, and certainly nothing free about this free port,
39:10
Speaker 1: but also five billion pound investment from Oracle again orchestrated
39:15
Speaker 1: it would seem by Baroness Gustafsson formerly or perhaps presently
39:19
Speaker 1: of dark trace. And I would just conclude by mentioning
39:24
Speaker 1: that the BBC this morning talking about ninety four new
39:28
Speaker 1: data centers, and the idea here is that whilst concerns
39:33
Speaker 1: are recognized that they're going to use all the water
39:36
Speaker 1: and all the energy that we can possibly produce, don't
39:39
Speaker 1: worry because they're going to recycle some of the heat
39:41
Speaker 1: and warm up all those swimming pools that haven't quite
39:43
Speaker 1: yet been built or indeed may not have any water
39:46
Speaker 1: to put in them. So all of these things, one
39:49
Speaker 1: might say, do point back to some very strange circumstances
39:53
Speaker 1: at this time last year. But the direction of travel,
39:56
Speaker 1: I would say, seems fairly obvious or becoming more and
40:00
Speaker 1: more obvious. No, that takes us into a very much
40:03
Speaker 1: related issue, which is online safety.
40:06
Speaker 2: Yes, well, the Children's Commissioner, the original DESUSA, was on
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Speaker 2: BBC News Night on Wednesday evening demanding that ofcom edge
40:15
Speaker 2: verification of the offcombage Verification regime has expanded to include
40:20
Speaker 2: providers of virtual private networks because since the edge verification
40:25
Speaker 2: regime came into force, the number of diynalogs of VP
40:28
Speaker 2: and software is off the charts. Let's just have a
40:31
Speaker 2: quick listen to what she had to say, if you will.
40:34
Speaker 3: Of course we need age verification on VPNs. It's absolutely
40:39
Speaker 3: a loophole that needs closing, and that's one of my
40:41
Speaker 3: major recommendations.
40:42
Speaker 7: And do you think the government's got the tone of
40:44
Speaker 7: this wrong because there are some people who don't agree
40:46
Speaker 7: with the Online Safety Bill on grounds of free speech
40:50
Speaker 7: and giving my data to the government. Do you think
40:52
Speaker 7: it's a mistake to call people who oppose the bill
40:55
Speaker 7: akin to Jimmy Saville. Do you think that shouldn't they
40:57
Speaker 7: shouldn't have said that.
40:58
Speaker 3: Look, I think there is not There is not one
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Speaker 3: person in this country, not one adult, who if I
41:04
Speaker 3: said to them, should we keep children safe online? Would
41:06
Speaker 3: would say, of course we should keep.
41:08
Speaker 7: Children don't bring up this s world.
41:12
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think Look, I think I think
41:14
Speaker 3: tone is everything we need to talk to at the
41:16
Speaker 3: adults of this country like that as they are adults,
41:20
Speaker 3: and all of us should be in agreement that we
41:22
Speaker 3: keep children safe. The Online Safety Act is a big beast,
41:26
Speaker 3: and there might be bits of it that people don't like,
41:28
Speaker 3: but keeping children safe has got to be the same
41:30
Speaker 3: of it.
41:33
Speaker 2: So Richald, this is representing children and clearing concern for
41:36
Speaker 2: child safety joins the hordes of other government shills who
41:40
Speaker 2: claim that the biggest threat to the well being of
41:42
Speaker 2: children is the possibility that the access pornography, ignoring the
41:46
Speaker 2: massive elephant in the room, which is adults screaming children
41:50
Speaker 2: by posing as children on child oriented websites. As I
41:54
Speaker 2: highlighted a week ago when I reported that the US
41:57
Speaker 2: BEAST National Center if you, of course sorry, US based
42:03
Speaker 2: National Center for Missing and Exploded Children published their littust
42:08
Speaker 2: getting this mixed up today, I apologize. Cyber Tipline report
42:12
Speaker 2: showing that last year they received five hundred and forty
42:15
Speaker 2: six thousand reports from tech firms of adults across the
42:18
Speaker 2: world soliciting children, and that they said was one hundred
42:21
Speaker 2: and ninety two percent increase from twenty twenty three. Now
42:23
Speaker 2: run nine six hundred of these reports came from the
42:27
Speaker 2: UK in the first six months of twenty twenty four,
42:29
Speaker 2: with Snapchat reporting far more concerning material than any other
42:33
Speaker 2: platform in that period. So look, this is the tip
42:37
Speaker 2: of the iceberg, since these are only incidents, as we
42:40
Speaker 2: mentioned last week, reported by the platforms themselves. But you
42:44
Speaker 2: got a quick sight of what the BBC was saying here,
42:50
Speaker 2: So the BBC of course wanting to maintain that the
42:53
Speaker 2: focus is on pornography. So you know, VPN's most downloaded
42:58
Speaker 2: apps and apples app store in the UK, after sites
43:00
Speaker 2: such as porn Hub requiring age verification. You know, we've
43:05
Speaker 2: got to keep this massively in the forefront of everybody's
43:10
Speaker 2: mind so that anybody that criticizes is tantamount to Jimmy Savill.
43:13
Speaker 2: And the other thing to say here is of course
43:16
Speaker 2: that you know, the fact is that people are not
43:18
Speaker 2: objecting to this on the basis of children not getting
43:22
Speaker 2: access to pornography. They're objecting to it because of the
43:25
Speaker 2: massive totalitarian overreach by the Starmer regime. But we have
43:31
Speaker 2: to keep in mind, of course that this was Tory
43:33
Speaker 2: legislation in the first place, although it was supported by
43:36
Speaker 2: Starmer's Labor Party all the way through. This is a
43:39
Speaker 2: Unit Party issue and they're just very briefly just to
43:42
Speaker 2: make the point that the petition's now around five hundred
43:45
Speaker 2: and twenty seven thousand. This issue is something that I
43:49
Speaker 2: think people need to get organized around and see this
43:54
Speaker 2: up to two million at the least. I think that's
43:55
Speaker 2: what we need to be doing for Charles.
43:57
Speaker 1: I would absolutely agree, yes, indeed, and I think we well,
44:01
Speaker 1: we would hope that you as the audience and concerned
44:04
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44:06
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44:10
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44:15
Speaker 1: The other side of the same coin is the issue
44:18
Speaker 1: of cyber security and indeed how that gets explained in
44:23
Speaker 1: a narrative context. And we've got the National Cyber Security
44:28
Speaker 1: Center subset of GUCHQ being pushed out of the shadows
44:31
Speaker 1: in order to remind us how dangerous the cybersphere really is.
44:34
Speaker 1: And as I say, this is sort of wrapped up
44:36
Speaker 1: with online safety, but a sort of a branch off it.
44:41
Speaker 1: But we're constantly being reminded, both on an individual and
44:43
Speaker 1: a corporate basis, what it is we need to do
44:46
Speaker 1: about it. Now. This is reinforced by a recent announcement
44:50
Speaker 1: announcement first of all here from America's cyber defense industry.
44:55
Speaker 1: This was just a couple of weeks ago, end of
44:57
Speaker 1: July about what's been called Scattered Spider. Now the Joint
45:02
Speaker 1: Cyber Security Advisory has indeed taken this on so you
45:06
Speaker 1: can see well at least if you can't see this
45:09
Speaker 1: represented by various cybersecurity organizations across the Commonwealth, cross the
45:15
Speaker 1: world who are effectively joining up the same narrative in
45:19
Speaker 1: which they're suggesting that they've identified or at least this
45:23
Speaker 1: scattered spider organization, have identified new techniques, tactics, and procedures
45:28
Speaker 1: associated with this cyber criminal group. And in addition, they're
45:32
Speaker 1: using more sophisticated social engineering techniques, and the advisory describes
45:36
Speaker 1: there's malware and ransomware variants which are being used to
45:40
Speaker 1: great effect. Now, essentially, this is the sort of thing
45:43
Speaker 1: that befell Marks and spent early in the year, and
45:48
Speaker 1: indeed we're constantly told that we need to find a
45:51
Speaker 1: solution for it. So of course these sorts of announcements
45:54
Speaker 1: and pr exercises look very much more like marketing exercises
45:58
Speaker 1: for the AI and cybersecurity industries rather than anything else. Now,
46:01
Speaker 1: I've spoken about dark Trace just a few minutes ago.
46:04
Speaker 1: Dark Trace, which of course purports to learn you through
46:07
Speaker 1: surveiling every single part of your digital signature in order
46:11
Speaker 1: to predict what's happening or what's going to happen next,
46:14
Speaker 1: Which relates back to the sort of Bayesian strand of mathematics.
46:20
Speaker 1: But interestingly, dark Trace have themselves commented on this scattered
46:25
Speaker 1: spider effect, difficult as it has been to describe because
46:29
Speaker 1: nobody seems to be quite sure who they are, except
46:31
Speaker 1: that they might be British, they might be American, and
46:33
Speaker 1: they're probably very young. But dark Trace had said in
46:37
Speaker 1: their failings to deal with this, which of course is
46:39
Speaker 1: supposed to be autonomous and shouldn't be shouldn't need to
46:42
Speaker 1: be told what to do, but it was not in
46:46
Speaker 1: autonomous response mode at the time, unfortunately, so the attack
46:49
Speaker 1: was able to proceed without interruption, they say, And indeed
46:53
Speaker 1: they went on to suggest that with dark TRACE's self
46:56
Speaker 1: learning AI, normally based detection and autonomous response in hiberda,
47:00
Speaker 1: businesses can halt malicious activities in real time. Now I
47:04
Speaker 1: think you get the picture. But what this points towards,
47:08
Speaker 1: and this of course is only speculation, But since it's
47:11
Speaker 1: widely known, of course that cybersecurity, the cybersecurity industry does
47:15
Speaker 1: indeed pay people to test platforms and indeed hack in
47:20
Speaker 1: what's described as a sort of benevolent sense, one can
47:23
Speaker 1: only wonder whether these sorts of interferences from organizations like
47:27
Speaker 1: scattered spider are indeed in some way connected to the
47:30
Speaker 1: industry itself, which seems to benefit enormously from the outcomes.
47:35
Speaker 1: Now we're going to go back to Vanessa, who of
47:39
Speaker 1: course been speaking a little bit about Lebanon in the
47:42
Speaker 1: last report. But Vanessa, a further update specifically on the
47:46
Speaker 1: situation in Lebanon from you.
47:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously, just an update on what's going on. The
47:54
Speaker 5: agenda is to effectively weaken Lebanon generally, not only to
47:59
Speaker 5: disarm them resistance, but also to cause division and fractures
48:05
Speaker 5: within the Lebanese army itself, reduce it down to nothing
48:10
Speaker 5: more than a national security or police force rather than
48:13
Speaker 5: a force that can actually defund Lebanon against Israeli expansionism
48:17
Speaker 5: of course, and so one of the first tactics that
48:20
Speaker 5: they used, and I think this is very interesting. This
48:23
Speaker 5: is the crossover between what is happening in the worst
48:26
Speaker 5: and what's happening in the West Asia region generally, is
48:29
Speaker 5: that first of all, Lebanese banks, most of which are
48:32
Speaker 5: franchises of European and foreign banks, have been banned from
48:37
Speaker 5: dealing with Hosbola's financial networks. Now, we've talked before about
48:41
Speaker 5: the independence of the Hasbala banking systems that are available
48:46
Speaker 5: to all Lebanese, not only to members of the resistance communities,
48:52
Speaker 5: and that are based upon interest free loans basically, and
48:57
Speaker 5: then of course there's been taught. Very recently, the Drum
49:00
Speaker 5: administration has been talking, particularly Marcar Rubio about ending the
49:05
Speaker 5: UN peacekeeping in Lebanon, Europe pushing back. I think this
49:09
Speaker 5: is more to do with Trump basically trying to foist
49:12
Speaker 5: the funding of UNIFIL in Lebanon onto particularly Front and Italy,
49:17
Speaker 5: and to disentangle the US from having to shell out
49:21
Speaker 5: any funding for them, because in fact, when Tom Barrick,
49:24
Speaker 5: the Trump envoy to the region and his very close
49:29
Speaker 5: business associate, was in Lebanon, he's pushing for Chapter seven
49:34
Speaker 5: to be imposed on southern Lebanon using UNIFIL effectively, if
49:38
Speaker 5: we have a look at what it actually says in
49:40
Speaker 5: the article using UNIFIL as an occupational force on behalf
49:46
Speaker 5: of Israel. So the renewal decision for UNIFIL will carry
49:51
Speaker 5: an escalatory and highly trade judged tone, basically under Chapter
49:57
Speaker 5: seven of the UN Charta, which allows it to by
50:00
Speaker 5: force the resistance by conducting raids, arresting citizens and setting
50:05
Speaker 5: up checkpoints. Of course, until now UNIFIL has only been
50:08
Speaker 5: able to operate in collaboration with the Lebanese army, and
50:13
Speaker 5: so what they're effectively saying is they will restore the
50:17
Speaker 5: funding to UNIFIL for one year and they will increase
50:20
Speaker 5: uniform rights to intervene on behalf of the state, in
50:24
Speaker 5: other words, on behalf of Israel and Washington in southern Lebanon.
50:29
Speaker 5: And then almost immediately after the meeting of the two envoys,
50:34
Speaker 5: including Morgan morgano or Targis who came with Tom Barrick,
50:39
Speaker 5: he went immediately to Tel Aviv allegedly to put Israel
50:44
Speaker 5: under pressure to withdraw from the five points that it's
50:47
Speaker 5: still occupying in the south. But of course, even during
50:50
Speaker 5: these meetings, Israel continued to bomb southern Lebanon and to
50:55
Speaker 5: assassinate what they claim are resistance members, but in fact,
51:00
Speaker 5: in many cases are nothing more than the civilians and
51:03
Speaker 5: citizens living in the South or trying to repair or
51:06
Speaker 5: reconstruct property that was destroyed by the last war that
51:10
Speaker 5: ended in November twenty twenty four. Saudi Arabia of course
51:14
Speaker 5: is coming in on behalf of Israel and Washington Washington
51:18
Speaker 5: to put its own pressure on the resistance factions, saying
51:22
Speaker 5: that basically there will be no investment in Lubanon from
51:26
Speaker 5: the Gulf States without Hesbola's disarmament, so they're withholding investment,
51:31
Speaker 5: withholding reconstruction funds. And at the same time, of course,
51:35
Speaker 5: what we've seen and what we've been talking about, is
51:38
Speaker 5: a build up on the eastern border and the northern
51:41
Speaker 5: borders from Jolani's Al Qaeda, tech Fiori elements, particularly the
51:47
Speaker 5: Chechen Wiga and other foreign groups on the northeastern borders
51:51
Speaker 5: in the vicinity of Homel City, and there have been
51:55
Speaker 5: sporadic incursions into Lebanese territory for some time now, since
52:00
Speaker 5: about March of this year, but what we've seen in
52:02
Speaker 5: the last few days is a definite build up of
52:06
Speaker 5: heavy artillery, tanks and machinery to the area in Syria
52:11
Speaker 5: that is close to the border with Homel. So what
52:14
Speaker 5: they're obviously angling for is to put pressure on the
52:17
Speaker 5: Lebanese government with the threat of a very invasion and
52:21
Speaker 5: an increase in Israeli incursions into southern Lebanon, to enforce
52:27
Speaker 5: the disarmament of the resistance.
52:32
Speaker 1: Nice and thank you very much. Any comment on that.
52:35
Speaker 1: Now great for extra right. Okay, No, just when you
52:39
Speaker 1: think you've heard it all, a report comes out of
52:43
Speaker 1: Australia suggesting that it might be possible to make money
52:45
Speaker 1: out of having an abortion. Sandy, what have you got
52:48
Speaker 1: for us on this?
52:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's quite concerning really. Revelations have surfaced
52:54
Speaker 6: that the Australian government is paying a baby bonus of
52:57
Speaker 6: more than four two hundred to women who choose late
53:01
Speaker 6: term abortion to end the life of their healthy, unborn child.
53:05
Speaker 6: This was first reported by Pro Life Act advocate Joanna
53:10
Speaker 6: Howe and later covered by The Daily Declarations, who found
53:16
Speaker 6: that these disturbing welfare payments were thanks to a loophole
53:19
Speaker 6: in the government's Center Link definition of a stillborn baby. Now,
53:26
Speaker 6: stillborn babies don't have rights because they have never taken
53:29
Speaker 6: a breath, And if a baby has never taken a breath,
53:33
Speaker 6: it's not deemed human. So this is the way they're
53:37
Speaker 6: doing it. Even worse, the payments of over twenty pounds
53:40
Speaker 6: are available to mothers who opt instead for parental leave
53:44
Speaker 6: pay on the premise that their aborted baby was stillborn. Now,
53:47
Speaker 6: this is very good, you know, this is a good thing.
53:50
Speaker 6: If a woman has genuinely had a still birth, you know,
53:56
Speaker 6: and needs parental leaf for up to a year or
54:00
Speaker 6: maybe eighteen months afterwards because of her drama. But this
54:03
Speaker 6: is different.
54:04
Speaker 5: This is they're.
54:06
Speaker 6: Incentivizing women to actually have an injection to kill their
54:10
Speaker 6: babies first before the stillbirth. So I mean, with the
54:14
Speaker 6: exception of a single article in the Advertiser last year,
54:17
Speaker 6: the mainstream press is refusing to touch this story in Australia,
54:22
Speaker 6: a curious silence given the overwhelming public interest in the scandal.
54:26
Speaker 6: An x thread has almost reached one million views and
54:29
Speaker 6: the loan article was authored by a courageous journalist, a
54:32
Speaker 6: lady called Catherine Bingham Birmingham. Sorry. Unsurprisingly, you know, there's
54:39
Speaker 6: detractors who've rushed to dismiss the revelations as fake news. However,
54:44
Speaker 6: doctor Howe's evidence is compelling. There are four reasons to
54:49
Speaker 6: believe her claims and you know are real. And it's
54:52
Speaker 6: all about the you know, center Link's definition of stillbirth,
54:56
Speaker 6: you know, to be eligible for our payments, it says,
55:01
Speaker 6: you know, oh sorry, I think it's the next slide.
55:04
Speaker 6: You know, to be eligible for our payments, a stillbirth
55:07
Speaker 6: needs to meet our definition a stillborn baby is one
55:10
Speaker 6: who's not breathed since delivery and has had no heartbeat
55:14
Speaker 6: after birth. To be considered stillborn, a baby also has
55:18
Speaker 6: to have a gestation period of at least twenty weeks,
55:21
Speaker 6: so this is encouraging late term abortions, and weighs at
55:26
Speaker 6: least four hundred grams at their birth, so you know,
55:31
Speaker 6: this is all of this meets their criteria basically for
55:37
Speaker 6: these payments, and doctor How's key concentration is that Services
55:42
Speaker 6: Australia has to carve out to say that the stillbirth
55:45
Speaker 6: has to be natural as opposed to intentional, and all
55:48
Speaker 6: that's required is a letter from the hospital confirming that
55:52
Speaker 6: the baby was delivered stillborn, so there's no there's no
55:56
Speaker 6: scrutiny here at all, even from the hospital and the
56:00
Speaker 6: doctors and midwives at the hospital. The medical eligility eligibility
56:08
Speaker 6: component of stillbirth is determined, declarate and declared by a
56:12
Speaker 6: medical professional, the spokesman said. But Services Australia does not
56:16
Speaker 6: receive any detail on the nature of this determination, so
56:20
Speaker 6: there's there's definitely something going on here. And in twenty thirteen,
56:25
Speaker 6: a Catholic pro life advocate, Bernard Gainer, published a disturbing
56:31
Speaker 6: medical form by a family that was hurt by abortion,
56:37
Speaker 6: and that's been withdrawn and I'll flag that up later,
56:40
Speaker 6: but certainly you know they've got forms here if we
56:44
Speaker 6: can flag this one up, have you registered? You know
56:48
Speaker 6: it's free to register a child's birth. You know you
56:51
Speaker 6: cannot be paid parental leave pay and be paid by
56:54
Speaker 6: newborn supplement with your family benefit. So it's all the PaperWorks,
56:59
Speaker 6: so you just have to fill in a form. It's
57:01
Speaker 6: all very very blase a to be honest. And yeah,
57:07
Speaker 6: there was this this form which a medical form which
57:13
Speaker 6: this pro life advocate Bernard Gainer, flagged up and it
57:17
Speaker 6: was issued by the South Australian Department of Health and
57:20
Speaker 6: it was a yellow A four document provided detailed instructions
57:23
Speaker 6: for post abortive women on how to apply for the
57:26
Speaker 6: stillborn Baby Payment then known as the bereavement payment or
57:30
Speaker 6: paid parental leave by registering their their abortions as a steelbirth.
57:36
Speaker 6: Now that form was withdrawn twelve years ago and instead
57:40
Speaker 6: it appears now to have gone underground. So it's it's
57:44
Speaker 6: all very very concerning. The The Dr Howe said that
57:52
Speaker 6: she was contacted by midwives who are traumatized and shopped
57:56
Speaker 6: by the rise in late term abortions of healthy babies.
57:59
Speaker 6: She filed staff for being effectively forced to sign off
58:02
Speaker 6: center links forms so women can claim payments for process,
58:06
Speaker 6: leading to a double level of trauma and one one
58:10
Speaker 6: one midwife was was really traumatized because the mother stated
58:15
Speaker 6: she would use her aborted baby bonus to fund a
58:17
Speaker 6: holiday to Balley. I mean, this is absolutely unbelievable. So
58:24
Speaker 6: a late term abortion in Australia is most often performed
58:27
Speaker 6: by injecting the baby's heart with potassium chloride or de jockson,
58:32
Speaker 6: followed by the induction of labor and the delivery of
58:34
Speaker 6: the dead infant. Now, the other thing is that there's
58:41
Speaker 6: no provision for a funeral. If you want one, you
58:45
Speaker 6: can have one. But if you if you're willingly taking
58:49
Speaker 6: your baby's life, you're not going to want that. So
58:52
Speaker 6: I think the midwives are a trauma, traumatized further by
58:58
Speaker 6: the fact that the baby then goes into waste, which
59:00
Speaker 6: is not it's not good, and we know that there
59:03
Speaker 6: is an issue there with harvesting. So going to I'm
59:08
Speaker 6: going to show you an animation video which you may
59:10
Speaker 6: find distressing. Please turn it off if you don't want
59:13
Speaker 6: to watch it. It's an animation and it shows you
59:17
Speaker 6: exactly how this is playing out. Thank you.
59:21
Speaker 8: So you might be wondering, how is the stillborn parenting
59:24
Speaker 8: payment available for a late term abortion? Here, I need
59:28
Speaker 8: to do just a quick recap of the method for
59:30
Speaker 8: a late term abortion and I'll pull up the policy
59:33
Speaker 8: from a new South Wales hospital and it's the same
59:36
Speaker 8: process everywhere. So what occurs is the mother goes into
59:40
Speaker 8: the hospital. She goes under general anesthetic, but an abortionist
59:44
Speaker 8: will inject the baby's heart in utero with poison, so
59:46
Speaker 8: it's either the digoxinopotasium chloride. The baby then goes into
59:49
Speaker 8: cardiac arrest and dies in utero, so they die in
59:53
Speaker 8: the mother's womb. Now they have to get that baby
59:56
Speaker 8: out some way, and the way they do it is
59:57
Speaker 8: they induce labor in the mother, so she pills that
1:00:01
Speaker 8: lie to her body and make her think that she's
1:00:03
Speaker 8: going into labor early. She then delivers that baby vaginally,
1:00:07
Speaker 8: but she's not delivering a live baby. She's delivering a
1:00:10
Speaker 8: stillborn child. So it's a forced birth of a stillborn baby. Now,
1:00:14
Speaker 8: because that baby is stillborn, this is what then makes
1:00:18
Speaker 8: her eligible.
1:00:21
Speaker 6: I mean, it's shocking, really. I mean, we've got genocide
1:00:24
Speaker 6: by war and genocide everywhere, and you know, we've just
1:00:29
Speaker 6: relaxed the laws in the UK for full term abortions
1:00:33
Speaker 6: and let's hope we don't go down the same route
1:00:36
Speaker 6: as South Australia.
1:00:39
Speaker 1: Shocking. It absolutely is, Sundy, But nonetheless, thank you very
1:00:41
Speaker 1: much for looking into that. Now, on the subject of
1:00:44
Speaker 1: controversial medical procedures, Vanessa, you have onearthed something in Lebanon.
1:00:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I was basically having a conversation with
1:00:54
Speaker 5: someone the other night who did take I think at
1:00:58
Speaker 5: least the first vaccine and then didn't take the booster.
1:01:02
Speaker 5: But they were laughingly telling me that there are some
1:01:06
Speaker 5: advantages to the corruption that exists in Lebanon because in reality,
1:01:11
Speaker 5: the fires of vaccine and this is translated from an
1:01:14
Speaker 5: article in Arabic that they sent me to prove that
1:01:17
Speaker 5: what they were saying is true, the fires of vaccine
1:01:20
Speaker 5: in particular was replaced by Lebanese hospitals and doctors with
1:01:24
Speaker 5: a mixture with a saline mixture. Basically, so the people
1:01:28
Speaker 5: that thought they were getting the fires of vaccine in
1:01:30
Speaker 5: Lebanon didn't actually get the vaccine and therefore haven't suffered
1:01:35
Speaker 5: any of the adverse effects that people are in other
1:01:40
Speaker 5: countries that did take the real fires of vaccine suffered from.
1:01:43
Speaker 5: So you know, there are some advantages to living here.
1:01:47
Speaker 1: I guess indeed a good news story, but not for Pfizer,
1:01:52
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Vanessa. Now on a related theme, indeed, bisecurity,
1:01:56
Speaker 1: I spoke last week about blue tongue and the continued
1:01:59
Speaker 1: push for vaccine nation, particularly with regard to sales along
1:02:02
Speaker 1: the English Wealth border and access to markets. It means
1:02:05
Speaker 1: that there is a huge push for vaccinational Their report
1:02:08
Speaker 1: suggests that only one percent of sheep and five percent
1:02:11
Speaker 1: of cattle in Wales have actually been vaccinated, so there
1:02:13
Speaker 1: seems to be some resistance for a number of reasons.
1:02:16
Speaker 1: But of course, alongside this is really the inference that
1:02:21
Speaker 1: there will be a regime of complete testing, tracking, injecting
1:02:24
Speaker 1: and surveillance under this heading of security, and indeed the
1:02:28
Speaker 1: inference that this is all part of a convenient and
1:02:32
Speaker 1: safe approach. Now birdflow again never far from the headlines,
1:02:37
Speaker 1: and indeed the vigilance and biosecurity we are reminded of regularly,
1:02:43
Speaker 1: this time by APHA today, and this is set to continue,
1:02:49
Speaker 1: of course, but This is set alongside an announcement from
1:02:52
Speaker 1: the government on Monday about the deal between the UK
1:02:56
Speaker 1: and the EU on sanitary and fighter Sanitary dealings actually
1:03:00
Speaker 1: to establish a UK EU zone which will cut costs
1:03:04
Speaker 1: and red tape for businesses that export and import from
1:03:07
Speaker 1: the EU, reducing delays at the border and making food
1:03:10
Speaker 1: trade with the UK's biggest market cheaper and easier. So
1:03:14
Speaker 1: this is really to do away with order checks. Now,
1:03:17
Speaker 1: the significant point to draw out of here, given the
1:03:20
Speaker 1: incredible focus on by security, is to say that that
1:03:26
Speaker 1: these checks on border crossings will not be required as
1:03:30
Speaker 1: their implementation is quote disproportionate. So as with all these things,
1:03:35
Speaker 1: bisecurity matters until it's considered disproportionate or there's another factor
1:03:40
Speaker 1: which trumps it. Yeah, so how about that. Now we
1:03:45
Speaker 1: have a different note upon which to finish. We've spoken
1:03:50
Speaker 1: a lot about the way in which Palestine action has
1:03:53
Speaker 1: been treated over the last few months, of course, resulting
1:03:56
Speaker 1: in their recent proscription, but we will now take a
1:04:01
Speaker 1: look at how plaster scene action has been dealt with.
1:04:05
Speaker 1: This video will be running in the background. It has
1:04:08
Speaker 1: no sound to it, but actually no sound is necessary
1:04:13
Speaker 1: because what this shows and I will invite Mike to
1:04:17
Speaker 1: comment in a second is the way in which the
1:04:20
Speaker 1: terrorism law is first of all, absolutely wide open in
1:04:24
Speaker 1: order that it can capture anybody. So here the article
1:04:28
Speaker 1: being dealt with is section thirteen of Terrorism Act two thousand,
1:04:31
Speaker 1: which says a person in a public place commits an
1:04:33
Speaker 1: offense if he wears an item of clothing or carries
1:04:37
Speaker 1: an article in such a way or in such circumstances
1:04:40
Speaker 1: as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member
1:04:44
Speaker 1: or a supporter of a prescribed organization. Now this chap
1:04:49
Speaker 1: is clearly wearing a plaster Scene Action T shirt which
1:04:52
Speaker 1: concerns AI generated images, so there's absolutely no overt reference
1:05:00
Speaker 1: to anything other than past to see action. And I
1:05:03
Speaker 1: think the important point to draw out of this is
1:05:05
Speaker 1: first of all, that the public will not be cowed
1:05:07
Speaker 1: into sumbition into not taking actions like these. I think
1:05:11
Speaker 1: we can all guess in a way what one is
1:05:14
Speaker 1: perhaps supposed to consider, but also that the authorities they're
1:05:16
Speaker 1: supposed to deal with this have absolutely no idea what
1:05:19
Speaker 1: to do when confronted with it. And this absolutely nullifies
1:05:23
Speaker 1: in a way the role of the police in this
1:05:25
Speaker 1: kind of circumstance because they can't even decide, and this
1:05:27
Speaker 1: is exactly where the independence of a constable should come
1:05:33
Speaker 1: into play, but it doesn't right right.
1:05:35
Speaker 2: Indeed, you know, they're supposed to make up their own
1:05:38
Speaker 2: minds about these things, and they're increasingly unable to do
1:05:41
Speaker 2: that without getting a yes or a no from the authorities.
1:05:45
Speaker 1: They are, and I think ridiculous as it seems, and
1:05:48
Speaker 1: of course it does drive to the heart of a
1:05:49
Speaker 1: very very serious point. I think we should take this
1:05:51
Speaker 1: as a positive in that the system is in effect
1:05:55
Speaker 1: being thwarted, and indeed there is considerable pushback concerning Palestine action,
1:05:59
Speaker 1: of course, and just.
1:06:01
Speaker 2: To finish, Patrick will have some really spectacular news on
1:06:05
Speaker 2: this on Friday's program as well, so keep an eye
1:06:08
Speaker 2: out for that excellent yes.
1:06:10
Speaker 1: Now, that brings us to the close of the program,
1:06:11
Speaker 1: So Mike, thank you very much for joining me in
1:06:13
Speaker 1: the studio. Thanks to Vanessa and to Sandy. Thank you
1:06:17
Speaker 1: for tuning in, of course, and don't forget we've got
1:06:19
Speaker 1: Germ going out this evening speaking to Celia Farber and
1:06:23
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Speaker 1: the line and join us for extra and if you're not,
1:06:32
Speaker 1: please consider it Otherwise we will look forward to seeing
1:06:35
Speaker 1: you at one o'clock on Iday. Bye bye