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Carnie Wilson Takes Us On the Wilson Phillips Journey to Her New Show “Sounds Delicious” · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Misunderstood. I'm Rachel. You could tell. So
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  Speaker 1: today we have the infamous Carney Wilson. She's an actress,
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  Speaker 1: talk show host, reality show star and singer. She was
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  Speaker 1: destined to be in show business. She's the daughter of
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  Speaker 1: legendary Beach Boys frontman, musical genius, Brian Wilson. And later
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  Speaker 1: in life, she teamed up with her sister, Wendy, and
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  Speaker 1: her friend from childhood, Chyna Phillips, to form soft rock
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  Speaker 1: pop super trio, Wilson Phillips. I'm sure you remember the
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  Speaker 1: song Hold On, which we talk all about in our interview.
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  Speaker 1: Carney has done a lot of different work. She's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she was doing a midday talk show. She has been
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  Speaker 1: open about her gastric bypass surgery. And now she has
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  Speaker 1: a new cooking show out called Sounds Delicious on the
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  Speaker 1: streaming service Access TV. We talked to her all about
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  Speaker 1: her life, about what is misunderstood about addiction and being famous.
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  Speaker 1: And about what's misunderstood about cooking and being on this
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  Speaker 1: new show. So, Allison, what were your thoughts about listening
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  Speaker 1: to her interview?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've always been a fan of Wilson Phillips. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I was one of those girls that acted out the
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  Speaker 2: whole video. And I love the fact that she's so
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  Speaker 2: open about everything. Like, she is no bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like, she doesn't say stuff that's a soundbite. She just
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  Speaker 2: says whatever comes to her mind in like a real
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  Speaker 2: grounded way. And from coming from a background where your
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  Speaker 2: family is so famous and you've been part of the
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood life, literally your entire life, the music industry, she
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  Speaker 2: has such a real vibe to her that you could
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  Speaker 2: see being out, hanging out with her, being in the
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  Speaker 2: kitchen with her and cooking and, and this very relatable
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  Speaker 2: person for someone who, in my opinion has lived a
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  Speaker 2: very unrelatable life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Um, you guys can also see her
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  Speaker 1: on Jeff Lewis live. Um, she does an after show
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  Speaker 1: and she's a, basically a contributor. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: Carney Wilson. Harney, it is such an honor to have
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  Speaker 1: you here. Thank you for joining me today.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Rachel. It's good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: So how are you doing? Like, I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: are so, you know, every time I turn on, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of my podcasts that I love, like Jeff Lewis
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, there you pop up. I get into a
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  Speaker 1: car or an elevator. I hear your voice. You're still
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  Speaker 1: just everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I... I'm it's, it's a great time right now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Great time. I'm so happy. I took a walk this morning.
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  Speaker 3: I feel energized today. I'm so woke up sober. This
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  Speaker 3: is good. It's a good day. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone has something to be grateful for. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: very important for people to remember that because it is
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  Speaker 1: very hard sometimes to do that. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: start with just having our listeners like hear about you
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  Speaker 1: for a minute before we get into like the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that you're doing at the moment, because I think so
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  Speaker 1: many of us have grown up. you know, being so
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  Speaker 1: enamored with what we all kind of know you for,
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  Speaker 1: which is your hip music, right? And your amazing song,
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  Speaker 1: Hold On, that, you know, all of us, I think,
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  Speaker 1: would be lying if we said we haven't grabbed a
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  Speaker 1: hairbrush and stood in front of the mirror and acted
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  Speaker 1: out that song or pretended we were walking down the
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  Speaker 1: beach with you in Venice or wherever that was. So
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  Speaker 1: before we get into you now, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you about your life when you grew up.
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  Speaker 1: You grew up in a musical family. Um, tell me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, about what your childhood was like, like, did
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  Speaker 1: you want to be a veterinarian or did you know
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  Speaker 1: you were going to get into music?
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  Speaker 3: That's funny. Uh, when I was like a young girl,
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  Speaker 3: about five or six years old, I wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: a nurse. That's, that's what I, cause I love taking
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  Speaker 3: care of people. And like, if my sister would fall
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  Speaker 3: or get scratched or whatever, I would like help her
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  Speaker 3: and nurse her little wound and just be like very motherly,
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  Speaker 3: you know? And so I remember wanting to be a
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  Speaker 3: nurse when I was young. And then I discovered music
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  Speaker 3: and it was just like, I was, it was just
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  Speaker 3: tunnel vision from there. I just couldn't, couldn't veer from that.
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  Speaker 3: It was just, you know, but yeah, very musical household.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of people coming in and out, lots of parties, very,
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  Speaker 3: it was Hollywood, but then it really wasn't. It was
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  Speaker 3: just sort of like, my, my dad was very private,
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  Speaker 3: but he had, you know, a large group of friends
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  Speaker 3: and some people were pretty, toxic and and it was
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  Speaker 3: kind of a fucked up time too because it was
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  Speaker 3: like this you know the early 70s and um people
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  Speaker 3: were it was almost like people came around to to
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  Speaker 3: like give them drugs and and like just be a
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  Speaker 3: part of this like um bubble of rock and roll
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  Speaker 3: bubble i'll call it and it wasn't i don't think
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  Speaker 3: he really i don't think he really wanted that i
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  Speaker 3: think that he was still a trying to be creative,
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  Speaker 3: which he was very much so. But he was just
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  Speaker 3: sort of doing his thing. And my mom was just
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  Speaker 3: trying to keep the two young girls together and sort
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  Speaker 3: of establish some ground, I don't know, baseline. I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know how you would call it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, foundation, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Foundation, you know, for our lives, which was like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how normal it was. It was Sean Cassidy
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  Speaker 3: would knock at the door you know, at any given point,
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  Speaker 3: or like Keith would come and jump in the pool,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with his clothes on with my dad. It
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  Speaker 3: was anything but normal. But, but I think my mom
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  Speaker 3: was really loving and, and, and dad was too. He
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  Speaker 3: was just very much in his own world. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, it's such a different childhood my kids have
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  Speaker 3: now versus mine.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I was going to ask you who some of
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  Speaker 1: the famous people were that, you know, walked into your
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  Speaker 1: house and would just hang out and like grab a
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  Speaker 1: beer on the couch. Was there anyone besides the names
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  Speaker 1: you just meant that, um, that stood out that were
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  Speaker 1: always there?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, well, I don't know about always there, but there was,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Elton John and Paul McCartney would pop by
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  Speaker 3: to sing a little bit on the piano and Elton
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  Speaker 3: wanted to buy dad's piano. And, uh, he actually begged
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  Speaker 3: my dad. My mom has that piano. It's really, it's
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  Speaker 3: really a great piano. It was good vibrations was written
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  Speaker 3: on it and surfs up very special piano.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And Elton wanted it really badly. He, he, but, um,
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  Speaker 3: my mom wouldn't give it to him, but yeah, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it was, it was sort of unpredictable, but predictable.
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  Speaker 1: And what was it like? I mean, would you guys
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  Speaker 1: just be sitting around harmonizing and singing or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: was there music always playing or was it always the
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  Speaker 1: music that they were making that they were listening to?
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  Speaker 3: Sort of a combination of everything. It was never like
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  Speaker 3: this kumbaya, let's sit around the fire and sing harmony.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that happened a little bit later, but which
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  Speaker 3: is great because like everything came full circle with my dad,
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  Speaker 3: with my mom, everyone, music and just being able to
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  Speaker 3: like record with him, be on stage with him and
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  Speaker 3: my mom. So we've had so much, so many great
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  Speaker 3: times of just celebrating music and love and family. And
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  Speaker 3: it's taken many turns. It's been like this big forest
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  Speaker 3: with lots of different things in it. But I'm grateful
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  Speaker 3: for everything, you know, the challenging times, the happy times.
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  Speaker 3: But music has always been the common denominator, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you remember what the very first concert you
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  Speaker 1: ever went to was?
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't. I'm assuming it was the Beach Boys,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it, I mean, Elton John and Sean
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  Speaker 3: Cassidy were the, I think Elton John might've been the
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  Speaker 3: first one. I was really young, like six or seven.
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  Speaker 3: He was my first love music. You know, I was
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  Speaker 3: actually very obsessed with him for a long time. And I,
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  Speaker 3: we had the album Captain Fantastic and all these records,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Carpenters, um, lots of these seventies records,
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  Speaker 3: which I can't, I just can't shake it. I love seventies.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Music, but, but Elton was like just the best. So
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  Speaker 3: I think Elton was the first. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Um, do you think having famous parents helped or hindered
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  Speaker 1: you when you were first starting your band?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, both. Definitely both, both because, um, it was like,
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  Speaker 3: we got in the door, you know, I really believe
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  Speaker 3: we got in the door. uh just by connections alone
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  Speaker 3: like knowing um knowing big producers and songwriters and uh
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  Speaker 3: being very like very adamant about writing our own songs
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  Speaker 3: because we knew that people were going to think that
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  Speaker 3: we were just writing their coattails.
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  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day but they don't
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  Speaker 5: know about the drawer the drawer just the.
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  Speaker 4: One square before bed Or two, you know, nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was really important for us to write our
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  Speaker 3: material so we could, like, get respect. And that was
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  Speaker 3: advice given to us by, you know, the great Richard
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  Speaker 3: Perry producer who made all these records that I love
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  Speaker 3: growing up listening to. Um, so like that was, that
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  Speaker 3: was kind of like, not the warning, but it was
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  Speaker 3: more like, if you guys want to have respect in
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  Speaker 3: this business, write your songs. Yeah. Like not the faintest
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  Speaker 3: idea what to do. So we got together with Glenn
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  Speaker 3: Ballard and, and, and, and then we had a few
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  Speaker 3: songs and shopped a four song demo to several record companies.
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  Speaker 3: And then it was like a bidding war. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: I do think that they gave their advice and, You know,
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  Speaker 3: they totally was like, they were like, watch out for this.
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  Speaker 3: Watch out for the, my dad said, watch out for
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  Speaker 3: the sharks. He would say, that's all he ever said.
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  Speaker 3: And then my mom was a little more, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: just very supportive of the sound. Because we were living
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  Speaker 3: with my mom at the time. Wendy was 16 and
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  Speaker 3: I was 18. So we started singing and harmonizing and
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  Speaker 3: she heard it. And she just said, you guys sound
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  Speaker 3: so good together. And it was like sort of a
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  Speaker 3: quest at that point. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I was going to ask how that works. So
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  Speaker 1: it was you, your sister and your high school friend, right?
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  Speaker 1: Is that where, where China came into it?
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  Speaker 3: Actually, uh, since birth.
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  Speaker 1: So, Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we're like, we're 56 years of friendship here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing. And we really, really amazing and rare and special. And, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so we, we've always been friends and we had, um,
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  Speaker 3: this idea to do this charity record, like 60s, uh,
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  Speaker 3: children of 60s groups recording a record together and doing
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  Speaker 3: like a charity song, but nobody wanted to do it.
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  Speaker 3: So it was just us. And we were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: fuck it. We'll just do it together. You know, so
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  Speaker 3: we sat on the floor and harmonized and had this
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  Speaker 3: sound and we were like, maybe we should form a band.
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  Speaker 3: But we weren't, we didn't play any instruments. We just sang.
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  Speaker 3: We had a little piano, but we just sang. And
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  Speaker 3: it was like, that was it. We knew we were
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  Speaker 3: going to be a vocal group and it was all
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  Speaker 3: about the harmony.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So tell me how Hold On came about. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, who wrote that?
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  Speaker 3: It was written by Glenn Ballard, Chyna, and myself. And
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  Speaker 3: it was inspired by sobriety, taking it one day at
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  Speaker 3: a time. And yeah, there was a music, a track,
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  Speaker 3: and basically Chyna took the track home actually she took it.
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  Speaker 3: We were really pissed because Wendy and I, she took
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  Speaker 3: the only cassette tape and we were like, what are
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  Speaker 3: you doing? And she just took it. And then, but
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  Speaker 3: thank God it was like this divine, this divine message
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  Speaker 3: that came through her. And, um, so we sort of finished,
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  Speaker 3: you know, writing it the next day or the day,
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  Speaker 3: the couple of days later and got in the studio
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  Speaker 3: and immediately recorded it. And it was just this real,
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  Speaker 3: real creative synergy between Glenn and us and the vocals
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  Speaker 3: and the, just that chorus and just that punchiness of
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  Speaker 3: the harmonies. It was really, we knew it was really
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  Speaker 3: a real strong chorus and the strong message. Right. Very
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  Speaker 3: strong message.
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  Speaker 1: will thank you. So did you know that it was
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  Speaker 1: a hit when you first were writing it? Were you like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, this is so good? Or were you
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: guys struggling with how to put the words down? I mean,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about writing music, you know? So
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: talk about what that's kind of like.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't really an obvious thing. I mean, every
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: songwriter has their own way of doing it and their
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: own creative outlet and expression. But we've never... we never
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: really wrote songs like let's write a hit, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: what you always want it to be, but it was
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: more like, what are we, what's coming out of us,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: you know? And, and we would be inspired by each other. And, um,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes you'd be like, let's write a ballad,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: let's write an upbeat song, let's write, but it's usually just,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: you can't really control it when you're reading. So it
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: just comes out and, uh, and then you sort of
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: shape it. And I mean, there's structure, you know, there's
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: technical stuff, you know, like, Verses and choruses and bridges
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff and you want it to be
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: like good and hooky you always think about like writing
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: a hook, something that someone can remember. But I don't know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: It's not, I think there are like more like machine
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: type writers where they, there's a lot of Nashville writers
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: that are really, really great songwriters and they know the formula,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: the formula of a hit record. and um and they
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: have a lot under you know under their belt but
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: we were just sort of writing about young love and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: um what we were going through with no sort of
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: vision in mind other than um we did have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: make we did we we knew we had to write
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: some singles and so we knew release me was a
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: was a hit hold on we we we thought was
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: your love was another great course and uh you know
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: just like prayed that people would like the music. That's
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: really what it was.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So one of my favorite scenes out of a movie is,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen it from that thing
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you do. Did you ever see that movie?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Was that with Tom Hanks?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Tom Hanks did it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And that scene where the kids are like in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: store that the kid works in with the washer or
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: dryers or whatever. And they hear the music for the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: first time on the radio. I'm curious what it was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: like to hear your music for the first time on
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the radio.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Well, that's going back really far. So with all the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: pot I've smoked, I don't remember shit, but I can
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: say that I remember being like in a van going
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: from one radio station to the next with our like five,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: five radio stations for that day. The sixth city we visited,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: it was a rough schedule, but I remember screaming and
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: celebrating hearing it. And it was like, I mean, hold
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: on was our first single. So we, you'd hear that
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: piano come in. And I remember we were like, why
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: does it sound so squished? Well, they do this thing
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: for radio called compression. So they, they sort of squish
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the song. So we were like, why does it sound
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: like that? Cause we're very technical. We're very hands-on about
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: production and stuff. So we were like, why does it
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: sound so funny? You know? And then sometimes they play
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: it slower. Sometimes it was faster depending on the playback, whatever,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: but it was so great. So amazing. And, and they
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: would say like, you're selling like 150,000 records a week
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: and we couldn't comprehend any of it. It was very,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: you know, we were on tour. It was like a
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: promotional tour. It was, it was nonstop. So we loved it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: We were grateful. And we knew that people were calling
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the radio stations and requesting it. And we just, we
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: were like, it's working, you know? Right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I've seen how proud you are of your daughter and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: her singing career. How did your parents, I mean, your
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: parents must've been so proud. What were the conversations between
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you and your parents back then?
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Well, we weren't really seeing our dad much in the beginning,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: but then later, later when we kind of reunited about
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: three years after the first record came out, he told
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: us that he was following us on the charts every
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: week and he loved our sound, still loves our sound
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: and still talks about, he just, he loves, loves our
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: group and it's very precious. And mom, you know, the
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: collector of all the, newspaper articles and magazine articles and
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: all the records. I mean, I'm, I'm here at my
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: office is messy. So you can't see, I've got my,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I'm blurred here, but I'm surrounded by all the gold
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: records and, and I'm very proud of it too. So
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: they've always been very, very proud and, um, just like
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: sort of blown away. And it reminds me of sort
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: of the beach boys to the way my grandma, Audrey
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: was always there on the side of the stage, watching
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: her boys sing and, there's great sense of pride that
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I think is passed down from the first to the second,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: not to the third generation. Right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How does it feel seeing songs like that? I mean,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: your music in general, but especially that song, you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: change different generations, like being in bridesmaids and being in
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: all the films that it's been featured in. And literally
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: anyone from my 11 year old daughter to someone my age,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: who's 49 is, It comes on the radio and that
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is one of the songs that you're like.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, oh, shh.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And you turn up the volume and everyone knows every
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: word and sings and gets really into it. I have
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I drive my daughter to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: school every day. And I don't know, maybe two weeks ago,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: we were in the car. It's like 7.45 in the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: morning and the song comes on and she turned up
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the volume and she started singing. I thought it was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: so cute. I'm like, I'm interviewing her in a couple
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of weeks. She's like, no way, mom. You know what
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? But I think that, you know, that really
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: says something about the fact that there are certain artists
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: who transcend all time, you know, and it's just a sound.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: It really is the sound too. That is so, it
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: gives you chills, you know, when you hear that song
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and the first couple notes of the song is so
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: recognizable and, makes you, it really makes you feel a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: certain way. And again, I'm not someone who is brought
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: up with music. I'm someone who is stuck in, I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: wish I was born in the eighties. Like I, I mean,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I love Daryl Hall and Jonah. They're my jam. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: put them on all day, all night. And some people,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you know, people are like, what's wrong with you? You know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: but they are the best and, and there are just
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: certain you know, music can bring an emotion in someone.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And I think that's really spectacular for people who are
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: not in the business, but just know how it's touched us.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And I think it's amazing. So what was it like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to be asked to be in like bridesmaids and see
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: how you're affecting the younger?
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: before bed. Or two, you know.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Nobody's watching. You deserve a treat.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Generations now.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Well, it was very cool. We didn't know anything about
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the movie. And they were like, well, you want to
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: be in a Judd Apatow film? We said, yeah. We
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: didn't know what we were even going to be doing.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: And we showed up and they said nothing. They said,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: you're going to be in a wedding scene. You're going
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: to sing, hold on. And that's all we knew. And
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: then the movie came out and it was so fricking
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: funny and like so perfect. And just a little, like
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the little storyline, how Wilson Phillips was kind of woven
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: in to the storyline, being like their sort of guilty pleasure,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: like their best friend. That was their favorite. It was
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: just so sweet. Loved it so much. And the ladies
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: were the best ever, you know? But yeah, Yeah. I mean,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: an honor, just an absolute honor. And, and like, you
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: have to pinch yourself. You still, it's still so, it's
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: still relevant. People still send me DMs and texts and,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and I still see it, you know, there it's still, it's,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you know, the song has legs, it has major muscles and,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and a very magical, a magical melody. And yeah, the
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: sound is really, I believe that's really what it is.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, it's so, it's such a, every
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: time you get on the stage and you sing it
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: and you see people's reaction there, you know, there's some
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: kind of like, um, special place that they hold the song.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: It represents something special in their lives. And it's very cool.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: For you. Do you have a favorite song of yours
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that you guys did or that you helped write or
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: was there one that stands out to you?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Um, you know, on our second album, there's a song
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: called you won't see me cry. And it was the
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: first single off the second album. We did this really
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: beautiful video with Michael Bay. They were trying to be
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: like this Victoria's Secret, whatever. I was squished into a
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: freaking corset. I couldn't even breathe. But it was a
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: beautiful video. And yeah, they spent a lot of money
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: on that video. But it's the harmonies, and that particular
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: song is my favorite.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, good. I'll have to go listen to it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Um, all right.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: At what point in your life did you meet your husband?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I know that like now when people talk to you,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you really talk about faith and your family as being
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: two really important things. So at what point did you
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: meet Rob?
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Uh, I met Rob, uh, when I was doing some
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: touring dates with beach boy, Al Jardine, not my dad,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: but Al. And I still tour with Al. Wendy and
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I still go on the road with Al and his son, Matthew.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: They're amazing. They're like, they're my family, you know? But
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I met Rob backstage at a vet rock concert with
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the Animals and all these 60s bands. And it was
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: supporting the veterans. And I saw him backstage in this
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: food tent. And I was getting some pasta. I had
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: worn these really cute little butterfly clips in my hair.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I put on extra perfume that day. I don't know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: It was kind of a special day. Something was in
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the air, right? And I saw this guy with this
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: totally fucking hot guy with this beautiful smile beautiful teeth
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: he was so cute and I saw him walk across
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and he was being interviewed I'm sorry his friend was
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: interviewing Al Jardine who I was doing the show with
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: after the show he's like oh this is it then
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the guy said I'm Ken Sharp and I'm interviewing Beach
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Boy Al after the show and this is my friend
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Rob and he didn't want to come today because he
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: had a headache and so Rob said yeah I wasn't
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: feeling good today but I decided because I watched your
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: talk show and I really liked watching you. And I said, oh,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: thank you. And then we went to dinner or lunch
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and he was like sitting by the window with this
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: light hitting him and he looked like this Spanish, like
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Mediterranean dark hair and I was like and I was
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: telling everyone I have a crush on that guy I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: have a crush on him but I don't even know
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: anything about him and so we talked very briefly I
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: got home and in those days there was no cell
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: phones no nothing but there were message boards and I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: saw two carny from Rob Bonfilio on the Wilson Phillips
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: message board. So I was like, who's Rob Bonfilio? And
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like, and I read the letter and he's like, hi,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: it was great meeting you. And I loved your perfume.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You smelled really nice and butterfly clips in your hair.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: And I was like, ah, I knew it. I knew
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: something was up with these clips of perfume, you know?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: And I text back, I text, I wrote back. I'm like,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: are you single? That was it. So we were like
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: magnets from that moment on. That was how we met.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a great story. I love that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I know. From afar, I was LA, he was Philadelphia.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: How many years have you been together now?
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: 25. Wow.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And how many of that marriage?
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: 24. Oh, wow.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: You were married very quickly.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Very fast. A year later. Wow.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So was marriage and kids something you knew was like
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: a major priority in your life? Or like when you
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: met him, you were like, oh, wait, now I want this.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I was engaged before and it was...
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: not healthy. And it was just, I mean, that's, we
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: weren't meant to be together, you know, five years relationship.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: But when I met Rob, it was, um, very, very
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: like natural and just that feeling like, okay, I never
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: want to be away from you ever, you know? And
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: it was, it was mutual and kids we didn't know about. We,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: we really didn't know if we wanted to have kids.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, I
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, it's time. Yeah. Yeah. But not
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: without like some, some hurdles, personal hurdles that I had
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: to get over first.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Well, so at this point, so now you've been sober for,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: is it 20 years?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. 20 years.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Incredible. Congratulations. I know how hard that is. Um, how
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: do you, I'm curious how you talk to your kids
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: about that? Cause obviously that was something you struggled with
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: when you were younger. So, you know, what's the conversation
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you have with them?
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the conversation started very early. And they know I'm sober.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: They know I go to meetings. That's how I stay
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: sober is through 12 step. Even though it's anonymous, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: say that because I really, I want to shout it
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: off the mountaintops, you know, but I, it's, it's anonymous.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: So I have to respect that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: So that still is something big in your life. You
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: still go to those meetings. Oh my God.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: It's, I would not be sober without it. Wow. It's
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: just like, I have a sponsor. She's got 17 sponsors.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: We are, we meet once a month for a book study. We,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: we have fellowship and support and meetings or yeah, it's
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: the only, only thing that ever worked. But, um, I
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: got sober right before I got pregnant, about two weeks
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: before I got pregnant, I got sober, but I was just, uh,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: at a very low point, very low point. And, um,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: even with just, you know, this weight loss that I
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: had really flipped me out and I didn't feel like myself.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: And so I just was, I wasn't able to handle
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: it mentally. And I just started drinking, I was always,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I always loved pot and loved pills and stuff, but
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I wasn't, I was never big into heavier drugs like
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Coke or heroin, nothing. But I could have been very easily.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And I hit a rock bottom with drinking and alcohol
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: and I just, I walked into the rooms and that
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: was it. And I got sober and I'm so, so grateful.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Very grateful.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, for some people, being in AA really
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: changes people. And then you know, I do know people
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that are really struggling and they go to the rehabs
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and they think that that fixes them for a while.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And they're like, but I don't need to follow this stuff.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So it sounds like for you, it's something that's been
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a continual thing that you really need in your life.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: That's helped. I, I, I have to do it every day.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm on my knees every day praying. I've
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: learned I have a higher power. It's not a religious thing.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: It's just a power that I believe keeps me sober. Yeah. Um,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: And like working with other people that have the same
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: mentality as me, which is like an addictive personality. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: put drugs and alcohol in my system and I can't stop.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: And I know who I am and I have to
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: share my experience and my strength and my hope with
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: other people that are similar. If you're, if you, cause
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: you either get it or you don't get it. Yeah. Or,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: or you're, or you know, and you're in denial and
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: you're not ready. But there is definitely a type of
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: person that has an allergic reaction. And it's the allergy
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: of the mind and allergy of the body. And you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: when you know, you know. And it's just when you're ready,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: you're ready. And you can't force it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: And you have to be at that point where you're ready.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's really, you know, something to be said
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: for that too. You know, I'm someone who, my father
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: died when he was 44 of a cocaine overdose. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I was 15. And I was always very nervous that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I had the same addictive personality. And so I did
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: not actually drink until I got through college. And I
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: did not try even a drug. I worked in Vegas
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: for five years or so. And I didn't even try
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: drugs until maybe two months before I left Vegas and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: moved back to New York. And I did it because
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I was going through a breakup and I was like, well,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: everyone does this when they go through something. So let
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: me try it. And I, it didn't, thank God it
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: didn't stick. You know what I mean? It wasn't something
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that made me feel better. I actually felt that moment,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: like the day after you use cocaine, when it comes
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: out of your system, where you feel that depression. And
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, I can't, that's too hard for me
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to pick myself up from. And I, and I did
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: not want to get into that place in life. So
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I was able to use the experience that he went through. And,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you know, when I got past the age of 44,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I felt really proud that that was something that wasn't
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: part of my life, but I know so many people,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I think I'm attracted to people that have addictions. Cause it's,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. Right. And I, and I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: feel like I could fix them sometimes, which is a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: terrible thing, but, um, but I have a lot of
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: empathy for that and, and I'm so interested in recovery
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and people that are going through it because it was
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: so close to my heart, you know.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that about your family. Um, that's, it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: very tragic and it is a lesson and I get it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I get it. Um, you know, I think, I think people,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: We search. We search. We're always searching for either the happiness,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the serenity, the money, the success, the whatever. And if
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: you're an addict, if you have an addictive personality and
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: you find that thing, whether it's drugs or alcohol, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: you go, oh, this is the thing that I was
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: searching for, it makes me feel like checked out or numb. or,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: you know, loose or, cause like, I just want to
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: take the edge off. You know what I mean? I
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: don't want to be wasted anymore. Well, actually I do
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: sometimes I'm not going to fucking lie. You know, I
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: mean like that sounds pretty good sometimes, but then there
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: are times when I just want to take the edge
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: off and that's when I'm challenged because I have to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: get my sleep. I have to. So I took a
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: nice walk this morning and I realized that I've got
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: to start exercising more to get that natural serotonin and
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: all that, whatever they call it, you know, the hormones
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: in the brain. I need, I need that. And I
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: think I lack it. I think I'm born lacking that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: So I'm always searching for not just to be high,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: but just sort of like, just to not feel that,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I guess that low chronic depression that is inherited. And also,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: you know, like, The world is a weird place. I
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: keep thinking about the negativity around, and then I go, well,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: if I want to sit in negativity, then I'm going
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: to feel like shit. I've got to find the positive.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: The drawer. Just the one square before bed. Or two,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve a treat.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Find the things that make me happy. And, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: and that's where cooking comes in for me. That's where
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: baking comes in and feeding people makes me feel happy.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And I think it's so important. for people to find
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a purpose. I think it's one of the hardest things
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: in life to find your purpose. But once you find that,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it can literally change everything. Your relationship with food, with alcohol,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: with drugs, with, you know, love addiction, whatever it is
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that you've been like struggling with, when you find your purpose,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you can do anything on your own is what I found.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And it's the hardest thing to find what you're good at,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: what you like, what you don't think, you know, it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: like blockers on anything else. But once you find that,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, have, do you agree that that changes?
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Are you kidding? That's just like, I'm
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: always talking about that with people. Yeah. Fine. I mean,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: purpose slash passion. Yeah. Because, because purpose is, it's pretty,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: it's pretty big word You know, it's like, it's not
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: that it's forced. It's just that it can be intimidating.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: That's right. You know what I mean? Like it's, there,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: there is not a better feeling that when you do
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: something and you feel like it was purposeful, you know
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: what I mean? Um, but for me, I get caught
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: up in like the ego reward shit. You know what
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I mean? Like if I do something nice for someone,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: then I deserve something nice back or, you know, I, and,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: and if, if you do find a purpose, then you
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: feel like you're, you're solid and you're standing in your, you,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: you're holding your own. And it's, it's actually a very
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: personal thing. And I think people are afraid to sort
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: of tap into their own, their own purpose. What, what
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: makes them feel like they're making a difference or that,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: they're not just kind of meandering every minute. And, and it's,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: it's a very, it can be very lonely. I had
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: many lonely moments where even after big success with Wilson
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Phillips or, you know, having done either, I don't even,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: even a voiceover career, big, big voiceover career. And it
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: made me a lot of money and I pissed through
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: it all. And I've never really had like sort of
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: a barometer and, but this is what I've come to accept.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Like with myself, and who I am and my personality,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I'm wired to, and it's very much like my father.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I see myself in him a lot. I'm always having
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: to put like, put the brakes on it. Like where's the,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: where's the, where's the barometer? Where's the, you know, where,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: where's the cutoff point? Where, where do I stop? Because
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: it's too much. I always want more and it drives
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: me and it scares me and it hurts me. So
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I have to constantly check. Is this too much or
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: is this just right? It's really, it's annoying, but.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: That's a level of self-awareness. I think that is great.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And you have to have it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it probably takes some practice obviously to get there.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So before we get into your cooking, which I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you about just really quickly, you've
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: been on a ton of reality shows. First of all,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: do you have a, do you have a favorite one
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that you've done?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: No. Okay.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Did you like them all or were any of them,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: were any of them miserable?
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: They're okay. I mean, it's not that I regret doing it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: It's just like at the time in my life, there, there's,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: there was some sort of connection to what it was
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: and it, and it was fun. And it was, you know, I,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I thought the way each show, you know, wife swap
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: was fun because I got to live in somebody's house
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: for a few days.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Who was the, who was the family?
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Tracy gold.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: And her husband, Robbie, and they turned out to be
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: really sweet and we made good friends with them. So that, that,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: that was probably my favorite one.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, that sounds fun.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Wait, I wanted to ask you though about Celebrity Apprentice.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: First of all, that wasn't a year that Donald Trump
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was on it, right? It was Arnold Schwarzenegger?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: No, it was Arnold Schwarzenegger. And this was right before,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: you know, he ran for president. So I, I was,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not thrilled that I did it, but I did
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: it and I was quickly kicked off.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Did he have any, did Donald Trump have any interaction
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: with you guys or he.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Had passed that on? No, he was never, never there.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: We never.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But you had such a good cast. Did you?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Like, I feel like you had a great cast. You
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: had so many names that I feel like people love.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Like who do, did you become friends with people that
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you didn't know from before?
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Totally became friends with Kyle Richards and Matt Iceman.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I love Matt. I think he is one of the
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: most amazing dynamite people in the world. Love him so much.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: And Kyle is a dear friend and always will be.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: We had a lot of laughs. We laughed really hard.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Those were the two that I really gravitated towards and
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: we're still friends.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I saw you also had Snooki, Boy George, Vince Neil.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Layla Ali. Yep.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, and you also had Ricky Williams. Was he on
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the show?
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Ricky Williams.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Ricky Williams came on my podcast a couple of weeks ago.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I love him. He has such an incredible story.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Amazing guy. Yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Very sweet. Anyway, so I thought that was interesting that
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you were on it because I was going to, you know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: talk to you about what it was like to be
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: with all these people or Trump. And then when I
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: did the research, I was like, oh, that wasn't a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Trump year.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: No, it was not. But I love all the Food
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Network stuff. I mean, that was great, too. Working with
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Guy Fieri and he was great. Rachel Ray. That was
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: always fun. And Chopped was great. I mean, if you
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: consider those reality shows, I mean, they are, they're reality TV,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: but those I loved.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so tell me about when you got your
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: love for cooking.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Oh God, that was back like when I was 25.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I started cooking when I had my talk show. I
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: moved to New York, Connecticut, and I started making like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I started working with like making homemade tortillas and like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I was like obsessed with doing things from scratch and So, um,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't really start baking then I just started cooking. So, um,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I went to my roots. I went to like my,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: my grandma and all the stuff she loved to make
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: like brisket and mashed potatoes and matzo balls. And then
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I did that. And then I started just literally scrambling eggs,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: like scrambled eggs. I became obsessed with how I could
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: make scrambled eggs really genius. So just do a bunch
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: of combos there. And then, um, and then I started
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: baking when I got pregnant. Um, when I got pregnant
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: is when I really was craving a lot of baked goods.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: So I started making cheesecakes and bread puddings and, um, cakes, cookies,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: but mostly cheesecakes when I was pregnant. And, um, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I just became obsessed with it. And I, I like
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: people would want the food that I would make and
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: then it would feel really good to feed them. And then,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and then I was trying not to eat the food myself.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: So I was vicariously eating through them. It was really
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: kind of weird. I would just be like, I would
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: just like totally get off. I'm watching people eat the food.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: And if they would go, I'd feel so like good inside,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: you know, because A, I knew it tasted great. And B,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: it was like, oh my God, if I can't eat it,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: then I'm going to watch you eat it. Right. Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: So you have this new show out, Sounds Delicious, which
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I have seen now, which is so cute, by the way.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I love your interactions with some of these people. Now,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: were all these guests that you have friends of yours
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: from the past?
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know David Archuleta, but I know
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: all the people on there.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Your chemistry with everyone is really good.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's, it's not like a cooking. I mean,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: it's a cooking show, but it's like, you're a fly
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: on the wall watching these two friends, like have funny conversations,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you know? And I love it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, they inspire me because
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: they're just really great people. And then music is sort
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: of the theme, just kind of the underlying connection that
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: we have.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, people are I just can't I have
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: to laugh and I have to be crazy. It's just
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: part of who I am. And, you know, it's so funny,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: even like they'll be standing next to me and I'll
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: be flipped out that they're even there. And then I
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: can't believe they're there. And then I and then I
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: just and that makes me hyper because I don't want
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, my God, I can't believe you're here.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I do. Don't forget, it takes a few hours
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: to film an episode, but they have to admit to
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: 21 minutes. So they have hard work ahead of them.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: So we'll just be like nuts and have so much
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: fun and great food and stories. But main thing is
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: they come on the set and they just feel comfortable
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: right away because I make them feel comfortable because I
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: love them. And I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful they're there.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for the food. I'm grateful for the music.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And it's just... really a celebration.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: So in watching the episodes, I was curious what goes
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: into the pre-producing of it. Like how do you pick
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: out the meal that you want to cook or the dish,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: whatever it's called, that you want to cook with this
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: certain person?
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Right. So it does take a bit of prep because
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: we have to do two dishes. So it's mainly like
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: a main dish and a side dish. But I do
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: have a couple episodes where it's dessert or it's breakfast.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: And I've got hundreds of recipes. So the producers and
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I get together and we just talk about who we love,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: who we think would be great to come on the show.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: And we sort of pair like either it's a music
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: theme or for instance, Lisa Loeb. Okay. So she's a
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: family woman and she, it's her 30th anniversary of her
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: song stay. So we thought family and I'm like, okay,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: big family meal, big chicken dish, like Mediterranean chicken and
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: mashed potatoes, totally comfort family. Um, and so that's, that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: what we chose and she loves to cook. So that
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: was perfect. And then like Sean Stockman from boys to men,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Philly guy, Philly cheese steaks. Right. And, and, you know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: even though John Stamos is not, he's Greek, he's not Italian.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I thought, so I, sometimes I DM them also, or
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I'll text them. Do you like chicken Parmesan? I love it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: So we go, okay, we know we're in the ballpark. Right.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: And then are they, for the most part, are they
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: good at cooking or are they good at just being
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: a conversationalist?
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Uh, it's a little bit of both. Lisa cooks, but
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: not everybody cooked. No. Most of them don't, but that's
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: what I love because they get in there and they're,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: they're slightly intimidated, but it, but it's good because they
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: realize like, oh my God, we're not here to be
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: like a fucking chef. You know, we're here to cook
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: and love this food and talk and just celebrate eating
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: together and how yummy it is and I think it
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I actually think it's inspiring them.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know that's great what is your go-to meal
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: to make and then go-to meal to eat.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Well oh I love everything so much it's really hard
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: really hard to say, but I don't know. I, I,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: my family loves pasta. So I eat the gluten free and, um,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: we love a pink sauce. So I don't do the
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: vodka on it, but we'll do like tomato and cream.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And then I'll just like jack it up. I usually
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: make chicken on the side. I usually do like a,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: like a lemon chicken, a pounded lemon chicken. My family
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: loves it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: We, we always eat lemon chicken. I either serve it
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: with pasta or, or rice and I'll do like lime
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: juice in the rice and, you know, butter and salt
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: and just make it like simple, but yummy. And I'm,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not, I don't experiment that much because I've got
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of picky eaters. So everybody eats a different thing,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: which is really annoying, but it's good for me though,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: because I can make four.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer, the drawer.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Just the one square before bed or two you know
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: nobody's watching you deserve a treat with eight flavors to
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: choose from you can choose the flavor you favor with
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: cabri dairy milk.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Different things in one night and i will do that
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: i take the time to cook for my family even
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: when i'm tired Like yesterday was a Sunday. I went
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: to a play, came back with my friend and made
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: him dinner. I made Philly cheesesteaks over rice and it
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: was my pleasure to do it. Cause I, I genuinely
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People say that cooking is such a good, like
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: therapeutic thing. I'm terrible at it. The only cooking I've
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: done is like, hello, fresh. Which like kind of makes
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: it easy. But it's funny, I go down your Instagram
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: now and I was looking at some of the recipes
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you put on there. And the other day, it was yesterday,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I guess I said to my daughter, oh, look, she
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: has like a blue, it was like a blueberry muffin.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about? But then I
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: scrolled down and the ingredients were like this long. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, and her name is Wyatt. Wyatt said, mom,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: there's no shot. You're going to be able to make that.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Don't even waste your time. Like, let's just go buy
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: blueberry muffins. But the thing is though.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: You have to experiment. I've thrown a lot of stuff out.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I would mess it up and go, okay, that sucked.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: What did I, what did I mess up on? And
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: then I realized, oh, I cooked at the wrong temperature or, oh, I,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: you know, I put salt instead of sugar there. You
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: got to learn somehow. Right.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, here's my request coming from a viewer, I guess.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I would love to see an episode where you do
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: like little quick meals or little things for people like
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: me that don't know how to cook, cooking for dummies,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: where it's like your favorite three items that we could
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: cook for lunch or dinner. Or like the second thing
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: is my favorite food, I could eat it on a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: desert island or whatever, is gazpacho.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I love gazpacho. So I love a chunky gazpacho with like.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like mac and cheese. You like gazpacho.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Um, that's hysterical.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Do you like gazpacho?
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not my favorite because it, it kind
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: of freaks me out. Like I feel like it should
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: be hot, but I know. And then I'm like, well,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: are you eating salsa?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Like salsa?
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: What the fuck?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: That's true. I, a lot of people don't like it,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: but I like mixing it with like Clamato.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Very weird. What's Clamato?
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: It's clam juice and tomato juice together.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Yeah.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Very interesting. There's also a beefamato. Very good to know
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: as a chef.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: So that's interesting about the gazpacho because I like shrimp cocktail.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I love shrimp. So like that reminds me of sort
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: of that family of like almost ceviche, salsa-y kind of thing.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: So I understand why you like it. It's just not
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: my favorite, but that's so funny that It's so random
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: to say gazpacho.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I know. So random. I know it. Who's your dream
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: guest that you haven't had on yet that like you're
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: trying to get or you would love to have on
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the show?
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Well, Elton and Paul, Sir Paul and Sir Elton John,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: they've got to come on. Melissa McCarthy is standing by,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: wants to do it. And then Harry Styles would be insane.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: And I would love it. And we would sing. And
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: I know he's like loves all the same music that
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I do. I love Billie Eilish. I would give anything
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: to have her on. She's the coolest. And who else?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Adele would be Jean. Pink would be sick to have on.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: And she loves key lime cheesecake. So I make incredible
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: key lime cheesecake. So that's what I would make for
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: her because I know she loves it. I love that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: That would be awesome.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Okay. Um, throughout you, you actually spoke about, um, that
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you eat gluten free stuff. So can we just talk
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: for a second about your thoughts on health weight fitness?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I know you've talked openly about struggling with weight throughout
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: the years. What for you have you found that works?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Everyone now is doing Ozempic. I've heard you say that
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: you're not, you haven't, you don't want to try that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: No, I don't. And I have a great friend of
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: mine who had a gastric bypass when I did. Um,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: had two kids went up and down like me battled
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: those 70 pounds that we gained and never lost it
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: after childbirth. Um, not, not, uh, workout lovers, not exercisers.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: So like, I know that if I worked out regularly,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: had a, like a really good cardio every day, burning
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: five or 600 calories, really doing it, that I would probably,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I probably would have maintained my weight. Um, because I
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: do have my little built-in tool of a smaller belly.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: So I get full faster. But if you snack all day,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: it's calories in calories out. It's, it's, it's not, it's,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: it's a science. It's really very simple. Are you expending
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: more than your, you know what I mean? Like that's it.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: So if I snack, I gain weight. Um, but I don't,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I don't want to eat sugar and gluten anymore because it,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I feel like a slave to it. I mean, it
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: really comes down to like, It just gets me in
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: a chokehold and I can't break away. When I eat
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: sugar and when I eat gluten, all I think about
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: is sugar and gluten. Oh, wow. Even the smallest amounts.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: So yes, there's traces of it in certain foods, but
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I really try to eat clean, do my own cooking,
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: know what I'm putting in my mouth. And there are
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: days when I want a big handful of Cheetos and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I have it. Yeah. Like I satisfy myself doing that.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: At night when I crave sweets, which I do every day,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I have a rice cake. Sometimes it's the caramel flavored
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: or the apple flavored that has a little bit of
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: sugar in it. And I'll put a little bit of
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: peanut butter, like a teaspoon or whatever, peanut butter, some
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: sliced bananas, cinnamon. I eat it and it's so good.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: And that satisfies me. And it doesn't make me go
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: into a crazy spin where I'm like, oh my God, chocolate. Okay. Oh, donuts, this, that,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: ice cream. I'm okay if I just have that. So
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I'm perfect like that, but no more desserts. I will
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: not do it. Um, and it's been since September of
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: last year. So I've never eaten this way ever. And
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: I miss, I miss croissants and baked goods like a lot,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: but I'll bake for other people. Um, sometimes, and this
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: is like, it's not like something that I think is
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: good to talk about, but I do sometimes I taste
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: it and spit it out. Hmm. It's not like I'm
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: doing this all day. Once in a while, if I
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: really want to taste it, I'll chew it and I'll
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: just go to the sink and spit it out and
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: rinse my mouth out. Okay. So this is not the
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: worst thing in the world, but it's not something that
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: I would say, do this great way that, you know,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: but I do it once in a while.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you say that though, because I
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: think there's so many people that will come on a
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: show or whatever and say, you have to eat vegetarian.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: You have to eat protein only.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Right. And, and it really, I think that's personally, I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: think that's really restricting because it makes people crave what
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: they can't have. And it, and so has it really
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: worked for you that if you just eat in moderation
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: and try and cut out the sugars and the things
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: that can be really addictive and dangerous that you will
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: see results on the scale?
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I cannot eat sugar and like gluten stuff like bread, pastas,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: baked goods. I can't eat that because no matter if
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: it's a bite or two, then I want more. But
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: so that I don't even do in moderation.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. Got it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Okay. So, but, but I guess you would say it
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: would be moderation if I'm having the rice cake that
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: has a little bit of sugar on it. You know
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: what I mean? But like that is that to me
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: before was I would go, Oh no, I want to
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: have just a couple bites of cake or I want
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: to have half of a donut, but I can't do that.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And when I, when I stopped, that's when the weight
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: just started melting off. So I don't, I mean, Monjaro
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: and Ozempic might work for certain people. It curbs their appetite, right?
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: And that's great. But I don't want to do that
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: because I don't want to risk any side effects. That's
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: what I'm genuinely scared of. I don't know what's going
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: to happen in the future with these drugs and people.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: People are going to the hospital for it. They're having
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: weird gallbladder stuff. They're having weird bellies. stuff. And I
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: have a lap band over a bypass. I don't want
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: to mess with anything right now. I'm good. So that's okay.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: If it works for them, great. If it works for
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: somebody else, great. But for me, it's dietary, restrictive, and
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: I just feel better. I don't feel as inflamed. You
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? I was really like inflammation was bad.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's also, again, I think it's so important
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: for people to realize what works for them is what's important.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: And that feeling of like, did you, you're not lactose
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: or intolerant or gluten. What is it? Allergic to gluten? No, no, no.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Although like I fart a lot. So I think like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of gas. Like, I don't know.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just a farter, you know? So
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: like vegetables still make my stomach go woo. Like, yeah. Somersaults,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if that's ever going to change.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: So gas sex is my middle name and it's just
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: the truth. Whatever.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I love a good gas sex.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: I love it. Oh my God. I know. And now
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: there's a new one. What's the other one? Um, phase on.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Lysine phase on whatever. That's good too. So whatever it's,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's just a natural thing. And some people
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: are more, more flatulent than others, you know, but I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: find it funny. So, you know, that that's a whole
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: other conversation. That's hysterical. All right.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: So how many, how many episodes are out now of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: your show? And is there going to be a second season?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: So we're on episode four is coming up. It's like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: a mother's day thing. So my sister, Wendy from Wilson
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Phillips and my mom comes in at the end, really cute.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: We make fresh bread. Fresh bread. Speaking of carbs and bread. Oh, God.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so I taste it and then I in
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: the sink. But you don't see that. Anyway, we do
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: bread and a breakfast casserole. So good. There's 12 episodes
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: and we are waiting for the green light for season two,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: which I think is going to happen. And a bunch
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: of guests are waiting. My good friend Joey Fatone from
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: NSYNC is like, I can't wait to have him on. Oh,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I do think we'll have a season two. Yeah.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Oh God. I hope so. And this is on, um,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: what's the network access. Is that how you pronounce it?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: AXS access TV, AXS TV. And, um, yeah, it's like
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: good old fashioned cable. It's, it's kind of hard to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: find if you don't have it, but you can find it,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: but it's, um, you know, spectrum and direct TV has it.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: And there, there's a way to find it, but, um,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: access is great. Cause it's a music channel and it's perfect.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: It's the perfect home for it. I think it's great.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: sort of the energy of the show. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: And people can scroll down your Instagram and see some
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: clips just to get a little taste of it, but it's,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: it's really, really cute. Um, so you've been in this
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: business a long time. Um, like what keeps you inspired
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: in it? What, what are you looking forward to?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Well, um, I don't know. I I'm a list maker,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: so I just keep kind of making these lists of
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: the things that I, that I want to attain the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: goals I want to attain. I really, really believe in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: seeing something, you know, like envisioning everything.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, like a vision board.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So almost like the mental, you know, your own,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: your own mind and heart, uh, vision board, but also
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: sometimes it, I believe in, in just being spontaneous with stuff. Um,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm still, I have a 14 year old daughter,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: so I'm very much, you know, a hands-on mother and,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: My daughter Lola is singing with us now and she's
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: performing and she's writing songs and we love singing together.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think just continuing with what I'm doing,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: this is sort of a really great new chapter. And
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: I've waited two decades to do a cooking show. So
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: hopefully this will spark other things too in that world.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Who knows what's around the corner? I just want to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: keep on cooking for sure.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I'm curious because you were just talking about your daughter
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: performing with you. Are there, is there one like lesson
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: you tell her or something that you always remind her
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: about now that you've been through it? You come from
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: such a musical family. Is there something you say to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: her to always remind her of things?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Backup plan. She's, she's so great. She's going to college,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: going to Chapman, you know, university and she's starting in
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: the fall. And she's majoring in psychology. So I'm really
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: proud of her. She's going to have this education and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: maybe combine music and psychology. We'll see. But I just
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: tell her, you know, find something you love and that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: makes you feel happy. And there are a lot of
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: voices around us, whether it's from social media or TV or,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: you know, your friends and sort of their direction they're
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: going in their career. And if you don't really know
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: until you're in your mid-20s, okay, that's okay. Just ultimately
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: look inside and say, notice the patterns in your life.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: What are you attracted to? And don't be ashamed of it.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: If you are attracted to plants and trees or whatever,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: or the chemistry of something, just go get a degree.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Contribute to science. Follow what makes you happy. forget these
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: pressure voices that you have to be, look, do with
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: what somebody else is doing or what someone wants you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: to do. Do what you want to do.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Just a couple of questions about like, if people want
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: to get into your head for a minute, if you're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: in a car driving or putting on headphones and walking
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: down the beach, what is your go-to music?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: It's so across the board. You have no idea. I mean,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: it is beyond the ADD of music. It really is.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, one minute I'm listening to One minute's Sade,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: the next minute's the B-52s. So it's totally mood driven.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: If I want to be uplifted and inspired, I'm putting
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: on Earth, Wind and Fire and B-52s. I need to hear,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: sing a song. But then sometimes I just want to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: mellow out and just think about things and I'll listen
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: to John Mayer. Love on the Weekend literally changes my
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: body chemistry. You know, so yeah.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Are you on the whole Taylor Swift train? Are you obsessed?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Have you been to the concert?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Definitely not obsessed, but I have to say it's inspired
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: and sort of blown away by. And there is one
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: song that completely flips me out. It was in the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: show Heartstopper. It was the last song and it's called Seven.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: And I don't even know what album it's on, but
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: it's like a ballad and it is hauntingly fantastic.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: So that's my favorite Taylor Swift song. Okay.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Will you be going to the heiress tour?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: You don't care about that?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: No, because I'll just, I don't even know. I'll feel
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: like a hundred and I'll be like out of breath
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: watching her. And I'll just probably feel like shit going,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: oh God, how could anybody sing, look and write and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: do like that? Yeah. And I'll do exactly what I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: tell my daughters not to do. Don't compare yourself to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: other people.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Right. Okay.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Oh God.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: What are you watching at night before you go to sleep? Like,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: do you have a favorite streaming show on Netflix?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I sort of oscillate. I'm really weird. I'm
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: very creature of habit. So I, and it's actually slightly obsessive.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: I have to keep watching the same goddamn shows over
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: and over. So it's Schitt's Creek. It's Yellowstone. It's Heartstopper.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: I've watched them over and over, but my new one
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: that I'm obsessed with is it's called Alone. And they
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: drop 10 people off in the freaking woods and the,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: and the forest and the mountains and they survive.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Is it a reality show?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh yeah. And then the last one standing wins
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: a half a million bucks. And I can't, I mean,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: this guy ate a mouse. I can't.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, so it's like survivor.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I just, oh my God, I love, I'm
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: obsessed with it. It's so, it's so extreme and it
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: makes me feel like sort of uneasy, but I kind
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: of love it.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll have to look that up. I'm really into documentaries.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Do you like true crime or documentaries, anything like that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I do. My husband really loves that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So once in a while I'll get into that too.
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  Speaker 3: Like what was that Anna one, Anna? Oh. Being Anna
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  Speaker 3: or becoming Anna.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever it was. About Anna Delvey, the girl who
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  Speaker 1: manipulated everybody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like that too.
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  Speaker 1: You should see... American Nightmare. Did you see that yet? No,
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  Speaker 1: but Rob- It's based on a true story and really good.
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  Speaker 1: I think you would like it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a good one. Okay, wait, talk to me
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  Speaker 1: about your, is it a partnership with Jeff Lewis? Are
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  Speaker 1: you guys just buddies and you come on all the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: time and laugh? Like what's the story there?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he became a good friend after we met. I saw, well,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: I met him at Kyle Richards' house actually at a party.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: We performed there. It was a charity night. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I love you. I've watched Flipping Out
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: and you're so cute and funny. And then we didn't
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: meet for a long time. And then I saw his
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: new show and I just DM'd him on Instagram. And
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: I said, he goes, oh, you should come on my
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  Speaker 3: radio show. I didn't even know he had one. And
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: then I went on his radio show and I realized
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  Speaker 3: he's got this huge fan base. base and you know
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: people love him and he's really funny and we started
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: going out to dinner and concerts together and became friends
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  Speaker 3: and sort of just I don't know we have this
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: sort of mutual respect for each other we sort of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: are wired the same way and we think the same Um,
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  Speaker 3: and I just, and then he asked me to come
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  Speaker 3: and host his after show and I do it once
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: a week and I'll be on next week, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's on Jeff and I love him. I just love him.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: He's a great guy. I've been on a show a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: couple of times. I had dinner with him and Shane
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: when they came to New York recently and. They're just
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: so much fun. And we get to know them on
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: a different level too. They're great guys.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, it's great to see you on
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: that show because you've got great chemistry with all of them.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: And so you go on and you don't talk about
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: you necessarily. You just like shit and giggles about all
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the things that are happening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Totally. Totally. And then once in a while, there's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: like a project to promote, like the show. He's very
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: good about that. He's... what I love about Jeff is
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: that he's a proponent of people's success and they're there.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: He likes people to, to own what they, what they
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: love and do. And I, I'm very grateful because he could, he's,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: he's not this like selfish guy. He actually thinks of
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: other people all the time. So when he's on, when
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: people come on a show, he loves to say, promote it. Yes. Yes.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: You're awesome. So that's good. Cause I forget. Sometimes I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: don't like to do that. Like I don't, I feel
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: like I'm bragging or whatever. But it's important to own
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: your shit.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Of course, 100%. You know, wait, I have one more
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: question about your show. When I was watching you do
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: some stuff, I was noticing sometimes you had different pots
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: and pans. That is a big question that I have.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Are there a certain type of pots and pans you
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: should be using? By the way, you had this beautiful
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: yellow pot. I was like, oh, I want that. That's caraway.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: That's caraway. Caraway, okay. As someone who is not a cooker,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: but would be interested in like following cookbooks, I had
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Kimball Moscon, who just has a gorgeous new cookbook out.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes when you're cooking with shitty stuff, I mean,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: it doesn't help. So like, what would you suggest for
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: someone who wants to refresh their kitchen?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Well, it's good to have good bakeware and good cookware.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: And I think that it's good to invest in a
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: set I mean, there's a whole range. It just depends
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: on your price range, but you can find good nonstick.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: I like nonstick, but there's just certain rules like do's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: and don'ts. You know what I mean? Don't put the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: metal on the nonstick because it will scratch it. Keep
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: it to silicone when you're stirring. But just caraway, I think,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: is really good because it's reasonable and it's nice. And
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: it's really, really good. I don't sit there and invest...
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I'd rather buy makeup than a good knife. You know
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: what I mean? But I do think having some good
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: knives too. But you've got to be careful because sharp knives,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: you'll get cut and you don't have to work as hard.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: And people think, oh, I've got to chop down really hard.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: But when you have good knives, it's just this sort
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: of rhythm and gentleness. It's the dull knives that you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: work so hard and then you also get cut. But
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: I would say a good set of knives... and a good,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: and just a basic, you know, skillet and pot start there.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: It's so funny. You say that about the knives. I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: had a job in college for maybe two weeks and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: it was to sell knives for Cutco knives, you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: like vector marketing. And to this day in my kitchen
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: right now, I have one, it's actually really pretty, a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: white pearl Cutco knife that still works. you know, 30
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: years later, 35 years later.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: And then I have all these shitty knives that I
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I've got to go get more knives.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Cause I got them from home goods or wherever the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: hell you get it.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: And I, and they all have rust on them from
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: putting them in the washing machine. And I said to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: my mother the other day, you know, working at that place,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I learned about a good knife. I got to Google
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: where I can get a Cutco knife now. So I agree.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Good knives.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: They love it. Yeah. Yeah. Good knives. Just get a
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: little butcher block and invest in it.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It helps.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. So where can people find you, locate you, watch
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: your show? Tell me one more time about that.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, you know, I'm on Facebook, but I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: really love Instagram. So it's at Carney68. C-A-R-N-I-E 68. And
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: access TV, A-X-S dot TV. You could go there. And yeah,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: every Tuesday night at eight 30 is it's on. It's just,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: I'm very grateful to people if they watch, I hope
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: they learn something and they get in the kitchen themselves,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: celebrate it, put your, put your, your Alexa on or
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: whatever the hell you have and blast the music and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: get everybody in the kitchen and cook and eat and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: celebrate life together. That's what we do.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it's been such a pleasure. I wish you the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: best of luck. I think you're amazing. And I can't
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: wait to see some of your upcoming shows and watch
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: you on Jeff too. And hopefully one day we'll meet
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: in person. I think you're just the best.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're awesome. Thank you, Rachel. You're beautiful. And I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: love what you do too. So thank you.
• 1:14:18
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