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#HURDLEMOMENT: Two Pro Runners Reveal Their Beginner Marathon Tips & Tricks · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Be on the starting line, standing with all the confidence
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Speaker 1: of the training that you've done.
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Speaker 2: Don't be thinking.
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Speaker 1: About the workout you missed or the long run you
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Speaker 1: cut short. Think about the workout to crush the long
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Speaker 1: runs that went super well.
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Speaker 3: Hey everybody, Emily Abadi here coming to you. I have
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Speaker 3: chill saying this. I'm so happy to be home from
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Speaker 3: the AG studio. You are listening to a special installment
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Speaker 3: of Hurdle Moment that I recorded live, the last of
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Speaker 3: the Boston content hitting your feeds this morning. I recorded
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Speaker 3: this episode with pro runners for Puma, Dakota Lindworm and
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Speaker 3: Annie Frisbee. Dakota ran the Boston Marathon on Monday. Annie
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Speaker 3: ran the on Saturday. I'm like getting all of my
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Speaker 3: days mixed up now in retrospect, the last week has
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Speaker 3: been a blur. But I had the good opportunity to
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Speaker 3: sit down with both of these ladies to chat about
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Speaker 3: all things you may need to know if you are
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Speaker 3: going to toe the line for your first marathon. I
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Speaker 3: get a bunch of questions about this stuff on the regular,
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Speaker 3: so I figured why not rope in two pros to
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Speaker 3: chat about everything from fueling to clothing, to pacing to
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Speaker 3: how to dress, I said, clothing but for different weather.
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Speaker 3: Also the best advice they've ever received and the best
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Speaker 3: advice that they would want to offer a beginner runner,
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Speaker 3: perhaps like yourself, when it comes to the marathon distance.
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Speaker 3: And we also chat about their backstories how they got
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Speaker 3: into the sport, both of them with their own interesting journey.
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Speaker 3: Dakota a former hockey turned marathon her and Annie herself
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Speaker 3: ran her first marathon, the New York City Marathon in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and not only did she lead the
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Speaker 3: pack for a bit there, but she also came out
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Speaker 3: on top as the third place female American finisher. Just
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Speaker 3: absolutely outstanding. Thank you so so much to the team
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Speaker 3: at Puma for bringing us all together for this fun conversation.
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Speaker 3: with that, let's get to hurdling. Ladies. Would you like
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Speaker 3: to introduce yourself to the crowd. Let's start over here.
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Speaker 2: I'm Dakota Nworm.
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Speaker 1: I run for Minnesota Distance Elite, and I am primarily
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Speaker 1: a marathoner.
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Speaker 4: And I'm Annie Frisbee and I also run for Minnesota
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Speaker 4: Distance Elite, and I would also say I'm primarily a marathoner,
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Speaker 4: but I'll be doing the five k this weekend.
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Speaker 3: So we've got a five k this weekend and a
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Speaker 3: marathon or this weekend. But veteran marathoners, let's make sure.
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Speaker 5: That we Dakota's veteran marathoner. I've only done one.
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Speaker 3: Don't say this because we're here to talk a lot
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Speaker 3: about marathon today.
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Speaker 5: And you're pretty good at it the one did go
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Speaker 5: really well.
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Speaker 3: Why don't we Why don't we start there? Why don't
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Speaker 3: we kick things off talking a little bit Annie about
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Speaker 3: your inaugural marathon experience, not that long ago. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 3: last fall, last fall in New York City where Annie
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Speaker 3: happened to just like lead the entire marathon for just
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Speaker 3: a small while.
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Speaker 5: Casual, casual.
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Speaker 2: So talk to us.
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Speaker 3: Your first marathon. What was your biggest concern going into it?
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Speaker 4: Going into it was probably fueling. I for some reason,
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Speaker 4: practiced only a few times. I don't know why I
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Speaker 4: only practiced a few times, but it was probably just
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Speaker 4: making sure I got to my bottles and not knocking
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Speaker 4: it over. I've heard a lot of people just you know,
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Speaker 4: accidentally missing it or knocking it over and not getting
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Speaker 4: the nutrition you need in those early miles. And so
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Speaker 4: that was probably the biggest concern of mine. But also,
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Speaker 4: you know, when I was leading up front, it was
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Speaker 4: a concern of mine that I would crash and burn.
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Speaker 4: Thankfully I didn't, but it's always kind of in the
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Speaker 4: back of your mind, like you could crash and burn.
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Speaker 3: You could, Okay, So we talked about just now two
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Speaker 3: things to touch on here, fueling and pacing. I, so,
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Speaker 3: you know, put out a question to the hurdlers as
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Speaker 3: I call the audience the listeners of the show. I
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Speaker 3: put out some questions to the hurdler is to ask
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Speaker 3: them what they wanted us to talk about here tonight.
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Speaker 3: And those are definitely two topics that people had a
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Speaker 3: lot of questions about. So you mentioned reaching for a
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Speaker 3: bottle when you're running a marathon. Are you primarily getting
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Speaker 3: your fuel, which is really important for marathoning, through drinkable
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Speaker 3: electrolytes or do you also take jail?
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Speaker 4: I did the Morton drink mix and it had a
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Speaker 4: little bit of caffeine in it. I didn't end up
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Speaker 4: doing jills just because the consistency. I knew it wasn't
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Speaker 4: going to stay down for me personally. I know everyone's
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Speaker 4: pretty different with what works for them. I know Dakota
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Speaker 4: uses tailwind, right, but for me, the drink mix just
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Speaker 4: stay down really well and it has very little flavor,
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Speaker 4: so didn't make me nauseous at all.
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Speaker 5: But that's kind of what I was thinking to.
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Speaker 3: Goo to talk to us about how you fuel and
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Speaker 3: how you're planning to fuel for Boston.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I use tailwind, which is like a drink mix
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Speaker 1: that has caffeine in it.
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Speaker 2: Personally, I can do like a gel on.
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Speaker 1: An easy run, but the faster I go, the faster,
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Speaker 1: that comes right back up. So I stay away from gels,
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Speaker 1: But plenty of people use them, and I think.
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Speaker 2: That they're They're great for some people.
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Speaker 3: For some people. And what they're touching on here that's
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Speaker 3: really important is the trial and error, right Like you
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Speaker 3: never want to show up to a big day like
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Speaker 3: a race or something and be like, this is exactly
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Speaker 3: what I'm going to do today. Today's the day that
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Speaker 3: I'm going to try a whole new strategy. That kind
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Speaker 3: of mentality also goes hand in hand with what we
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Speaker 3: wear on race day. Why don't you both talk to
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Speaker 3: me a little bit. I mentioned we're here recording this
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Speaker 3: at the run Puma House. What sneakers that you're running
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Speaker 3: in most recently for the race? Let's start with the race, Okay.
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Speaker 1: I'll be in the fast ours and I've spent I
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Speaker 1: think I've done three half marathons on them now and
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Speaker 1: I've spent plenty of time in them in practice, and
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Speaker 1: I love them in practice. I'm in the magnifies quite
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Speaker 1: a bit, and I think just like they have the
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Speaker 1: support that I need and yeah.
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Speaker 2: Keep me healthy.
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Speaker 4: I also love the Magnifies. I love a higher cushion shoe.
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Speaker 4: I think it's just good for high mileage personally, just
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Speaker 4: to prevent injuries and tendinitis and whatnot. And then I've
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Speaker 4: been kind of fifty to fifty with the fast Ours.
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Speaker 5: And then the Nitro Deviate Elites.
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Speaker 4: This weekend I'll be racing in the Nitro Deviate Elites,
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Speaker 4: but I also really love the fast Ours. It's just
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Speaker 4: a little bit of a different feel.
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Speaker 3: And something to note about both the Nitro Deviate Elites
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Speaker 3: and the fast Ours is that both of these sneakers
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Speaker 3: have a carbon plate in them, so that's something to
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Speaker 3: keep in mind when it comes to picking up the pace. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: this is relatively new technology in running, so to speak,
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Speaker 3: but they are known for really helping you kind of
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Speaker 3: take it to that next level. Do you feel really
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Speaker 3: speedy when you put on the fast Ours?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do feel speedy, And I think what I
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Speaker 1: really appreciate is the next day, I just don't feel
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Speaker 1: quite as speed up if I'm wearing a carbon fiberplated chew.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely on the same page there.
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Speaker 4: It almost like launches you forward with just how aggressive
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Speaker 4: the plate is and for speedwork it's great.
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Speaker 3: And we were saying here beyond sneakers, also trying out
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Speaker 3: clothing that can be so important. We were joking before
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Speaker 3: about the weather a little bit. I know that Annie
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Speaker 3: doesn't like to look too much into the forecast. She's like,
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Speaker 3: I'll just check it two three days before. If I'm traveling,
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Speaker 3: I'll pack the right things will be good. But you,
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Speaker 3: on the other hand, Yeah, I like.
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Speaker 2: To worry about anything I can worry about. Added to
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Speaker 2: the list.
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Speaker 3: So the advice that we were kind of exchanging early
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Speaker 3: is really finding the pieces of gear that you feel
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Speaker 3: good in so that regardless of what happens two three, four,
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Speaker 3: five days before your chosen race, you know like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: it's going to be this temperature outside, which means I
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Speaker 3: want to wear shorts, which means that these are the
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Speaker 3: shorts that I like to wear out in the world.
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Speaker 3: Rather than being like, oh, I guess a week before
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Speaker 3: I should try to figure out how to run in shorts.
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Speaker 3: If it's going to be aggressively hot out, the weather
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Speaker 3: can definitely be something that makes you super nervous. Another
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Speaker 3: thing we did touch on fueling, but beyond fueling during
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Speaker 3: your run, we also have to talk about what you're
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Speaker 3: eating before, and then maybe we can talk about celebrating after.
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Speaker 3: So when it comes to before towing the line for
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Speaker 3: a marathon, what are you thinking about? Let's start maybe
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Speaker 3: a week before.
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Speaker 5: A week before that's a long ways out.
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Speaker 4: I think maybe the day I really only think of
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Speaker 4: the day of. Honestly, like the week before, I'm not
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Speaker 4: really thinking about what I'm having for dinner, probably just
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Speaker 4: what I normally do. I'm pretty routine as a person.
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Speaker 3: So would you say that you're fueling change when you
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Speaker 3: became a pro at all?
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Speaker 5: No, it hasn't really changed drastically.
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Speaker 4: I would say I eat fairly clean in general, but
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Speaker 4: that's not to say I am always a clean eater either.
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Speaker 5: I think it's good to have.
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Speaker 4: Balance in your life with that kind of thing. But
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Speaker 4: for the morning of the race, I do like to
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Speaker 4: stick to the simple like bagl peanut, butter, banana, that
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Speaker 4: kind of thing. But the week leading up to it,
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Speaker 4: it's kind of just you know, going about your normal life.
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Speaker 4: How you would fuel for training.
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Speaker 3: Let's make sure that we note here that carbohydrates are
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Speaker 3: your friend. Maybe not going overboard. Of course, it's not
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Speaker 3: like I want you to eat like pasta for breakfast, lunch,
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Speaker 3: and dinner, but we do want to be mindful of
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Speaker 3: that as you're breaking through those pleikagen stores that you
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Speaker 3: want to make sure that you're giving your body what
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Speaker 3: it needs so that it can perform and its best,
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Speaker 3: which is of course why we're fueling during the run
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Speaker 3: itself also super important. Dakota, what are you eating the
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Speaker 3: night before marathon?
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Speaker 2: As makes you run? Pasta? So I usually do some
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Speaker 2: sort of spaghetti.
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Speaker 3: Is that is that like a Midwest accent that you
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Speaker 3: were just just a rhyme? And then what about a
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Speaker 3: post race moment when it's done, when everything' said and done.
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Speaker 3: Do you have a go to meal for a meal?
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Speaker 2: Typically?
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Speaker 1: I like pizza, something to kind of soak up everything
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Speaker 1: in my stomach, and then I like to eat the
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Speaker 1: things that I don't normally get to eat in the Midwest.
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Speaker 2: So being here, I'm going to get some oysters.
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Speaker 1: I'm super excited for that, and I will be having
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Speaker 1: the tallest sam Adams that I can find.
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Speaker 5: I'm on the same page. Finding a good drink.
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Speaker 4: Pizza is always great, Maybe some ice cream, you know, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: whatever is local too. I'm actually gonna try oysters for
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Speaker 4: the first time while we're here, so I'm very excited.
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Speaker 3: For the first time.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Wow, the Midwest is not really known for their oysters.
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Speaker 5: I don't think I wanted to try there.
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Speaker 3: What are what is the Midwest known for?
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Speaker 5: Cheez Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Jeez?
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Speaker 5: Whoever said that?
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Speaker 3: It looks like we have some other Midbusterners in the
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Speaker 3: house here also love their cheese. Well, before we keep
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Speaker 3: going here to talk about other tips for relatively new marathoners,
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Speaker 3: I think it could be really helpful for you guys
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Speaker 3: to both give us a little bit of context about
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Speaker 3: how you've gotten here, both newer relatively new athletes for Puma,
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Speaker 3: which is such an exciting and big moment for both
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Speaker 3: of you. Congratulations on that. So why don't we start
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Speaker 3: here with Dakota. Talk to us a little bit about
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Speaker 3: your relationship with running and when you knew that you
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Speaker 3: wanted to take it to this next level.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of tough for me because I growing up
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Speaker 1: was a hockey player, Like a true Minnesotan, I played
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Speaker 1: hockey growing up and I loved it.
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Speaker 2: It was everything to me.
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Speaker 1: I had maybe an unhealthy relationship with it where my
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Speaker 1: highest highs where we're with hockey, and my lowest lows
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Speaker 1: were with hockey.
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Speaker 2: And my mom saw that and was like, you need.
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Speaker 1: The broaden your horizons. And I thought for sure she
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Speaker 1: was trying to ruin my life.
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Speaker 2: Turns out she was right. So I joined the track.
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Speaker 1: And field team and immediately was pretty horrible at it.
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Speaker 1: I really had to train hard to not take last
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Speaker 1: in most of my races, and honestly didn't get a
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Speaker 1: single recruitment letter for running. So I was a walk
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Speaker 1: on in a Division two college and I progressed slowly
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Speaker 1: through college. But my college coach just kind of said, hey,
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Speaker 1: I think you could qualify for the Olympic Trials in
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Speaker 1: the marathon as I was graduating. And he was not
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Speaker 1: saying quit your day job and focus on running, but
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Speaker 1: that's what I heard. So I, as I graduated college,
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Speaker 1: I jumped right in head first and didn't take my
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Speaker 1: job offer as I was graduating and decided to just
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Speaker 1: follow my dream.
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Speaker 3: Wow, and it's interesting, right because you mentioned that hockey
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Speaker 3: it was like really high highs and really low lows.
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Speaker 3: How did you avoid falling into some of those scenes
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Speaker 3: patterns when it came to running, especially as you were
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Speaker 3: describing getting into running being quote unquote, your war is
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Speaker 3: not mine, not good at it.
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Speaker 2: I think what helped me with hockey was.
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Speaker 1: Personally, if I love something, I'm incredibly passionate about it.
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Speaker 2: So if we had.
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Speaker 1: A bad game in hockey and I was a goalie,
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Speaker 1: I could stop all the pucks I wanted, but I
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Speaker 1: couldn't put the puck in the net. So as a runner,
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Speaker 1: I think what's good for me is like, if I
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Speaker 1: have a bad race, it's on me, and if I
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Speaker 1: have a great race, it's on me. I'm in complete control.
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Speaker 1: So I think I just think about that as a runner.
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Speaker 3: Okay, and then Annie talk to us about when you
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Speaker 3: knew that you wanted to make running the thing.
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Speaker 4: I think for me, I was also in a different
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Speaker 4: sport like Dakota. I was a soccer player, but I
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Speaker 4: was not maybe as good at soccer as Dakota was
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Speaker 4: good at hockey. I was always good at getting to
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Speaker 4: the ball, and I was always able to, you know,
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Speaker 4: be the fastest on the field, but my foot skills
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Speaker 4: were terrible, and so I knew probably wasn't going to
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Speaker 4: take me anywhere. But I ended up signing for the
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Speaker 4: cross signing up for the cross country team in middle
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Speaker 4: school and just kind of fell in love with it.
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Speaker 4: All my friends were in it at the time, and
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Speaker 4: so it was kind of a good social thing, just
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Speaker 4: you know, running with your friends and turned into a
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Speaker 4: more competitive thing in high school and then I was
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Speaker 4: able to run for a.
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Speaker 5: College as well.
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't until my senior year where I kind
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Speaker 4: of thought about taking it professionally, and thankfully, our coach,
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Speaker 4: Chris Lenstrom reached out to me and was like, hey,
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Speaker 4: we think you'd be a great fit on the team,
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Speaker 4: and I came out and visited, and I'm from Wisconsin,
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Speaker 4: so it was very kind of close to home for me,
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Speaker 4: and so it.
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Speaker 5: Was just an easy decision for me.
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Speaker 4: And I'm really glad I did because our coach, he
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Speaker 4: and I his and my personality just really match up
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Speaker 4: well together and we've found a lot of success together.
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Speaker 4: So that's kind of long winded way of saying I
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Speaker 4: love running.
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Speaker 3: I guess a long winded way of saying I love running.
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Speaker 3: And you had mentioned or I'm sorry I had brought
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Speaker 3: up before that. Twenty twenty two, you both signed with Puma.
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Speaker 3: Where were the both of you when the news came
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Speaker 3: out about your next big life chapter, why don't you
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Speaker 3: start us off?
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Speaker 1: I got my offer from my agent while I was working,
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Speaker 1: thinking about how badly I didn't want to be working,
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Speaker 1: and I just got the email.
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Speaker 2: It said Puma offer and I.
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Speaker 1: Didn't even open it, and I called my dad crying,
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Speaker 1: and it didn't matter what they were offering me. I
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Speaker 1: was just so excited that a brand like Puma wanted
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Speaker 1: to sponsor me that I called my dad.
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Speaker 2: Crying and he's like, well, are you like, is it real?
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I guess so yeah.
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Speaker 3: And that dad phone call I can relate, like, there's
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Speaker 3: nothing like the dad phone call, Absolutely nothing like it.
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Speaker 3: And where were you?
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Speaker 5: I think I was in the middle of a work day.
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Speaker 4: There was a little bit of a lull after the
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Speaker 4: New York City Marathon where I was just it was
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Speaker 4: very difficult to focus at work. And so get that
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Speaker 4: offer letters, you know, super excited, and I think I
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Speaker 4: went to my boyfriend and told him about it and
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Speaker 4: a little bit just you know, super ecstatic, but also
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Speaker 4: a little bit shocked and just you know, really excited
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Speaker 4: about the future and what it could hold with Puma.
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Speaker 3: And why was this specifically so aligned with what you
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Speaker 3: had going on. I mean both of you obviously not
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Speaker 3: Boston based, but working with a Boston based company. That's
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Speaker 3: really exciting for you to be able to continue training
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Speaker 3: where you are and surround yourself with all of these
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Speaker 3: people that have built you up and helped you get
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Speaker 3: to where you are today.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it meant the world to me that Puma didn't
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Speaker 4: try to like change anything that I was already doing,
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Speaker 4: because you know, if it's working, why change it kind
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Speaker 4: of thing. And so thankfully they let us both, you know,
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Speaker 4: stay as kind of individual contract athletes and stay with
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Speaker 4: our team, and stay with our coach, and stay in
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Speaker 4: Minneapolis too. I think that's something that I really wanted
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Speaker 4: to do until it isn't working, I'd like to keep
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Speaker 4: it that way and continue to grow in my environment.
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Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about Minneapolis. For someone who's
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Speaker 3: never been to Minneapolis, what's one thing I should know
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Speaker 3: about Minneapolis.
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Speaker 4: The lakes are great. I think it's really beautiful. It's
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Speaker 4: a very underrated city. In the fall, it's gorgeous with
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Speaker 4: the leaves, it's you know, it's no Boston by any means,
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Speaker 4: but it's very unique and there's a lot to do there.
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Speaker 4: It's a very outdoorsy Even in the winter when it's
18:26
Speaker 4: like negative thirty, people are still outside snowshoeing or skiing,
18:30
Speaker 4: doing whatever.
18:32
Speaker 5: But it's great. I don't know, Yeah, I.
18:34
Speaker 2: Think you've covered it.
18:35
Speaker 1: You get all four seasons and you get like the
18:38
Speaker 1: worst of the worst and the best.
18:39
Speaker 3: Of the best. So I mean you said negative thirty,
18:42
Speaker 3: which is where I was going to lead us with Minneapolis.
18:46
Speaker 3: Relevant to the discussion that we're having here, which is
18:49
Speaker 3: about running and mareth hunning, what is your threshold for
18:53
Speaker 3: running outside versus running inside?
18:57
Speaker 1: If it's like negative ten, that's about like anything colder
19:00
Speaker 1: than that, that's I'm on the treadmill, I think. And
19:03
Speaker 1: it's the bigger factor is what the footing is like,
19:06
Speaker 1: because obviously we get quite a bit of snow. So
19:08
Speaker 1: if it's really icy, that's that means I'm on the treadmill.
19:11
Speaker 5: Person, I would say same.
19:14
Speaker 4: But if I'm by myself, my threshold is a lot lower,
19:17
Speaker 4: Like I would say, if it's below fifteen, I'm on
19:20
Speaker 4: the treadmill. But if I'm with people, it's easier to
19:23
Speaker 4: go outside when it's negative ten.
19:26
Speaker 3: So it just depends I would say my threshold is
19:28
Speaker 3: about freezing. If it's sub like if it's subed like twenty,
19:34
Speaker 3: usually I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna call it. But
19:36
Speaker 3: obviously you know something that we haven't talked about yet.
19:39
Speaker 3: And also a important consideration when an important consideration when
19:44
Speaker 3: it comes to re stay is keeping in mind that
19:46
Speaker 3: when you're out there and your body is moving and
19:49
Speaker 3: you're generating body heat, they recommend that you anticipate to
19:54
Speaker 3: feel as though it's at least fifteen degrees warmer than
19:56
Speaker 3: it actually is outside. So, for example, Boston Marathon day
20:01
Speaker 3: on Monday, I think right now the weather prediction is
20:03
Speaker 3: about fifty four degrees. I know, like there's been a
20:05
Speaker 3: few numbers changing in there a little bit, but that
20:09
Speaker 3: would say that, like, okay, dress as though it's seventy
20:13
Speaker 3: degrees outside. Okay. I do want to pivot a little
20:16
Speaker 3: bit and talk about advice. I'm sure the more that
20:20
Speaker 3: the both of you have excelled over the years, perhaps
20:23
Speaker 3: the more unsolicited advice at times you receive. When you
20:27
Speaker 3: think about some of the best advice that you have
20:30
Speaker 3: received as you have come into your own as professional athletes,
20:34
Speaker 3: what comes to mind, I.
20:39
Speaker 5: Think for me visualizing, I don't.
20:42
Speaker 4: I think it was actually back in my high school
20:44
Speaker 4: days my coach kind of taught me what visualizing was,
20:48
Speaker 4: and then you know, my college coach reiterated that, and
20:51
Speaker 4: then my current coach as well. But visualizing the race
20:55
Speaker 4: during your easy runs or workouts or whatever, or just
20:59
Speaker 4: visual your goals too, I think having that mental tool
21:03
Speaker 4: is really helpful. And you know, even if you're not
21:07
Speaker 4: having a great workout or easy run, whatever, still visualizing
21:10
Speaker 4: yourself doing well is a huge boost in training, I
21:14
Speaker 4: would say, and it has helped me a mensley.
21:18
Speaker 3: When you say visualizing, say, if you're running somewhere that
21:21
Speaker 3: you've never been before, what are you really going through
21:25
Speaker 3: in the motions of that. Are you trying to think
21:27
Speaker 3: about putting yourself specifically in that race, in that place
21:31
Speaker 3: or is it broader than that.
21:32
Speaker 4: It's not the place at all. It's more the feeling.
21:35
Speaker 4: How how am I going to feel or in the race?
21:37
Speaker 4: Who do I want to be next to in the race?
21:40
Speaker 5: Maybe what place do I.
21:41
Speaker 4: Want to be in or what how do I want
21:44
Speaker 4: to feel at this point of the race. Like for
21:46
Speaker 4: New York specifically, I remember on my easy runs, I
21:49
Speaker 4: would I was running really slow. I was kind of
21:52
Speaker 4: dealing with some tendonitis, and so I had to take
21:54
Speaker 4: my easy runs really easy, and I would visualize getting
21:57
Speaker 4: top three American, which looking back is ridiculous because I
22:01
Speaker 4: was running super slow, but visualizing that and you know,
22:06
Speaker 4: kind of picturing who I might be next to in
22:08
Speaker 4: the race, just on easy runs. Come race day, it's
22:12
Speaker 4: not a surprise to be next to those people, and
22:14
Speaker 4: it's not a surprise to be in the lead if
22:16
Speaker 4: you are.
22:17
Speaker 5: So it's just mentally preparing for any situation.
22:20
Speaker 3: You know. It's interesting, right, there are three things that
22:22
Speaker 3: we can train and I am pulling this quote from
22:25
Speaker 3: a podcast that I listened to once with Michael Gervai,
22:28
Speaker 3: but he said, you can train your body, you can
22:30
Speaker 3: train your mind, and you can train your craft. So
22:33
Speaker 3: aside from the visualization, do you do anything else to
22:36
Speaker 3: train your mind?
22:39
Speaker 5: Trying to think, are you a meditation person?
22:42
Speaker 4: I'm not, but I would love to get into that
22:43
Speaker 4: because I've heard a lot of people, you know, find
22:46
Speaker 4: great results with that as well, but I haven't really
22:49
Speaker 4: tried it.
22:50
Speaker 3: What about you?
22:51
Speaker 1: I actually, during this build up read The Mindful Athlete,
22:54
Speaker 1: which I would really recommend which is all about meditation
22:57
Speaker 1: and it's about kind of just finding your flow while
22:59
Speaker 1: you're running. And I definitely recommend reading that because it's
23:02
Speaker 1: really interesting once you realize you probably experienced that flow
23:06
Speaker 1: of your running, but you're not thinking about running and
23:09
Speaker 1: you're not really thinking about anything, and it kind of
23:11
Speaker 1: just helps you channel that, which is great during a
23:14
Speaker 1: marathon when it hurts and things are getting hard and dark,
23:17
Speaker 1: because you want to be in that flow of like
23:19
Speaker 1: not really thinking.
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25:42
Speaker 3: of like went up a hill and then came back
25:43
Speaker 3: down the hill. When you think about the best advice
25:45
Speaker 3: that you've been offered, where would you go with that?
25:48
Speaker 1: I think about how you just need to be on
25:51
Speaker 1: the starting line, standing with all the confidence of the
25:54
Speaker 1: training that you've done.
25:55
Speaker 2: Don't be thinking.
25:55
Speaker 1: About the workout you missed or the long run you
25:58
Speaker 1: cut short. Think about the workout to crush the long
26:01
Speaker 1: runs that went super well. I think standing there with
26:04
Speaker 1: any doubt is doing yourself a big disservice.
26:07
Speaker 3: I also think that when it comes to having that
26:10
Speaker 3: little bit of doubt, some of that can creep in
26:12
Speaker 3: during the taper period. Right for those that may not
26:15
Speaker 3: be familiar with the word taper, h Annie, do you
26:18
Speaker 3: want to talk to them about what that really means?
26:21
Speaker 4: Essentially, you know you've been slogging those long miles for
26:25
Speaker 4: months and months on end, and then the final week
26:27
Speaker 4: comes around and it's you.
26:28
Speaker 5: Know, almost cut in half, and so you have all
26:30
Speaker 5: this energy.
26:32
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes you feel worse, sometimes you feel better.
26:36
Speaker 5: It's it's such a weird thing.
26:37
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's just easing up on your body.
26:40
Speaker 5: Finally, after you know, months of training.
26:43
Speaker 3: Would you say that you get the quote unquote taper
26:47
Speaker 3: terrors them? Yes? What is that? What is that like
26:51
Speaker 3: for you?
26:52
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's just you're when you're in
26:55
Speaker 1: high mileage training, you're doing so much everything single day.
26:58
Speaker 1: It feels like you're making these big strides and then
27:00
Speaker 1: you're tapering and your mileage just cut. You're not really
27:03
Speaker 1: doing strength or core, and all of a sudden, it's like,
27:05
Speaker 1: am I regressing?
27:06
Speaker 2: Am I getting slower during this week? You're not. It's
27:10
Speaker 2: just just your mind.
27:12
Speaker 3: But I do think that that can like so much
27:14
Speaker 3: of that, like disgusting negative thoughts seep in. You're not
27:20
Speaker 3: feeling super stellar because you're not moving maybe as much
27:23
Speaker 3: as you were previously. You might be feeling a little sluggish.
27:27
Speaker 3: Then you're like feeling you're starting to ask yourself all
27:30
Speaker 3: these questions, all this stuff creeps in. What would your
27:33
Speaker 3: advice be to someone who is dealing with a little
27:36
Speaker 3: bit of that negative self talk during the taper period.
27:39
Speaker 2: Find somebody who find a buddy who.
27:41
Speaker 1: Knows something about running, and like express those feelings.
27:44
Speaker 2: And they're going to be like, you're fine.
27:46
Speaker 1: For me, I feel like I always go to my
27:48
Speaker 1: coach in this last week and I'm like, I'm not fit.
27:50
Speaker 1: Everything's out the window, like things are going to go
27:52
Speaker 1: so bad, and he's like.
27:54
Speaker 3: Chill, do you have any advice to offer?
27:58
Speaker 4: I would say the same. Yeah, it's who you surround
28:01
Speaker 4: yourself with. Get someone who helps you, like get out
28:03
Speaker 4: of your own head to you know, whoever. That may
28:06
Speaker 4: be your coach, your friend, your partner, anyone just getting
28:09
Speaker 4: out of your own head and distracting you from that
28:11
Speaker 4: because yeah, your mind is just playing tricks on you.
28:13
Speaker 5: It's not true at all.
28:14
Speaker 3: You're fine. I feel like that advice is certainly practical
28:18
Speaker 3: to just everything right. You know. That's saying you're the
28:23
Speaker 3: sum of the five closest people to you, So surrounding
28:27
Speaker 3: yourself with people that build you up is going to
28:29
Speaker 3: be super super important when it comes to channeling all
28:32
Speaker 3: the good energy that you want to be channeling when
28:35
Speaker 3: it comes to feeling your best. Another really big piece
28:40
Speaker 3: to the puzzle. Kind of going hand in hand with
28:42
Speaker 3: tapering is also recovery. I'd love to talk to you
28:45
Speaker 3: both a little bit about what your maybe everyday recovery
28:49
Speaker 3: looks like and what some maybe lesser recovery practices that
28:53
Speaker 3: you include in your routine are. So why don't you
28:55
Speaker 3: kick us off here to go to?
28:57
Speaker 2: Yeah for recovery.
28:58
Speaker 1: For me, I think what I like to focus most
29:00
Speaker 1: on is sleep. I'm getting absolutely like nine hours of
29:04
Speaker 1: sleep a night, and if I don't, I'm taking a
29:06
Speaker 1: nap during the day. I also personally like to use normattacs,
29:10
Speaker 1: like forcing yourself to sit there still for an hour
29:14
Speaker 1: forty five minutes is something that's good for your body.
29:17
Speaker 2: And for your mind.
29:18
Speaker 3: Compression boots that blood flow really helps the muscle regeneration.
29:21
Speaker 3: But I do really think that note of sitting and
29:25
Speaker 3: being still. Sometimes it's so easy for us to distract ourselves. Right,
29:29
Speaker 3: we're going one thousand miles an hour, not just literally
29:32
Speaker 3: in your case, but also like, there's just so much
29:35
Speaker 3: going on, so finding that time to sit with yourself
29:37
Speaker 3: can be a little off putting and scary, but really
29:40
Speaker 3: beneficial when it comes to processing what's going on. Around
29:44
Speaker 3: you and on the sleep note, I feel like a
29:46
Speaker 3: question that might come up would be two part one,
29:49
Speaker 3: have you always felt as though you were this good?
29:52
Speaker 3: I just used air quotes for people listening to this
29:54
Speaker 3: on the feed at sleeping? And what have been some
29:58
Speaker 3: practices that you have put into place or parameters around
30:01
Speaker 3: your sleep that help you get those nine hours that
30:04
Speaker 3: you're really looking for.
30:06
Speaker 1: If my mom was here, she would say I was
30:08
Speaker 1: always as good at sleep. I never had a bedtime.
30:10
Speaker 1: I was in bed by eight, even as a high schooler.
30:13
Speaker 1: So I guess like for me, I just don't like
30:15
Speaker 1: feeling bad or like tired, So for me, like I
30:20
Speaker 1: just prioritize it. It's not even like a question. I mean,
30:24
Speaker 1: I have the days where I go out with my
30:26
Speaker 1: friends and I'm up till ten and.
30:28
Speaker 2: I feel I feel pretty rough, pretty rough the next day, but.
30:33
Speaker 3: I love but ten I'm up till ten.
30:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty late.
30:36
Speaker 3: I'll tell you though, Like I'm imbedding a lot too,
30:39
Speaker 3: so I can leave on that. If you're in bed
30:41
Speaker 3: at eight, are you a morning runner?
30:44
Speaker 1: I was when I was working. I would get up
30:46
Speaker 1: at like five to run. Now that I don't have
30:49
Speaker 1: a day job. I do wait till eight, but I'm
30:52
Speaker 1: up at five.
30:52
Speaker 3: And what do your recovery routines look like.
30:54
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of the Normatech boots as well. Again, Yeah,
30:58
Speaker 4: I think it's more of a mental thing, just sitting down,
31:01
Speaker 4: having that time to yourself. You literally can't move, so
31:03
Speaker 4: you're forced to just stay there. Sleep is also a
31:06
Speaker 4: big thing for me. I don't know if I get
31:08
Speaker 4: nine hours, but I feel like I'm pretty consistent in
31:11
Speaker 4: that eight range. And then I'm really big lately on
31:15
Speaker 4: just rolling out, whether that's in the morning, right before
31:18
Speaker 4: run or after run, just making sure certain tendons are loose,
31:23
Speaker 4: and just trying to do some prehab on that end.
31:27
Speaker 3: Something that a lot of runners deal with, and especially
31:31
Speaker 3: marathon or is considering these build ups can be anywhere
31:33
Speaker 3: from fourteen to twenty weeks. Is the I hate to
31:37
Speaker 3: say it, concept of injury. Raise your hand. If you're
31:40
Speaker 3: in the room, if you've dealt with injury before, if
31:44
Speaker 3: you're listening to this, everybody's hand is raised. So it sucks,
31:48
Speaker 3: right and it's hard to get through. Have either of
31:51
Speaker 3: you ever dealt with a debilitating injury that prevented you
31:54
Speaker 3: from getting to the starting line. Yeah.
31:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, in college, I actually had a stress fracture in
32:02
Speaker 1: my famer, so that kept me off the starting line
32:04
Speaker 1: for a while.
32:05
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's tough.
32:07
Speaker 1: I think when you have something that's something like that
32:09
Speaker 1: you rely on every single day and it's taken away
32:11
Speaker 1: from you, it can mentally be really difficult.
32:15
Speaker 5: Yeah.
32:15
Speaker 4: I had a broken metatarsal last fall and winter, and yeah,
32:21
Speaker 4: it is frustrating. Nothing you can do, you can't run
32:24
Speaker 4: until it heals, and it forces you to have a
32:26
Speaker 4: lot of patience. And I do think you learn a
32:28
Speaker 4: lot in those moments, but when it's over, you're like,
32:31
Speaker 4: I never want to go through that again.
32:33
Speaker 3: But I know I grew a broken metatarsal so small
32:36
Speaker 3: it's such a big deal.
32:38
Speaker 5: Is that even important?
32:39
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know it is interesting that note that you
32:43
Speaker 3: just said that you do learn so much during those
32:46
Speaker 3: hard moments. When you reflect on your injured times, are
32:50
Speaker 3: there any really big lessons that you walked away from
32:52
Speaker 3: not being able to do the thing that meant so
32:55
Speaker 3: much to you.
32:56
Speaker 1: I will survive without it. It's my best friend thing
33:00
Speaker 1: is but I'm still a person without it.
33:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
33:04
Speaker 4: It definitely teaches you balance, And I think too, when
33:07
Speaker 4: I broke my foot, it was very I really made
33:10
Speaker 4: myself just take time off, not do any cross training
33:13
Speaker 4: or anything, and just use that time as a mental
33:16
Speaker 4: break and just kind of as a complete reset, and
33:20
Speaker 4: it made me fall in love with running all over again.
33:23
Speaker 4: Just coming back, you're basically starting from square one again,
33:26
Speaker 4: retraining your stride and retraining your body to be comfortable
33:30
Speaker 4: with the paces you need to go, and so just
33:32
Speaker 4: having patients patients with yourself.
33:35
Speaker 3: This reminds me of what we were saying before about
33:38
Speaker 3: the idea of talking to someone when you're going through
33:40
Speaker 3: the taper and you're like, oh my god, someone just
33:42
Speaker 3: needs to ground me. I also feel like that person,
33:45
Speaker 3: whether it's a coach, whether it's a physical therapist, another
33:48
Speaker 3: friend that happens to be a runner, can be really
33:50
Speaker 3: helpful when it comes to coming back from injury, because
33:53
Speaker 3: the reality is is that if you have been running
33:56
Speaker 3: for a while, you don't just like get injured and
34:00
Speaker 3: become like instantly like none of that ever happened. And
34:03
Speaker 3: I think that that's like a really big misconception that
34:05
Speaker 3: we have. Right It's like I'm injured and I've lost
34:07
Speaker 3: one hundred percent of every ounce of fitness that I've
34:10
Speaker 3: ever had, and that's just not true. You still have
34:13
Speaker 3: that muscle memory, so to speak. Right, So the question
34:16
Speaker 3: then becomes, in those build ups back to where you were,
34:20
Speaker 3: back to where you want to be, do you recall
34:22
Speaker 3: anything from those experiences that was really helpful for you
34:26
Speaker 3: and something that you kind of keep in the back
34:27
Speaker 3: of your mind from maybe the next time that something's
34:30
Speaker 3: not going as planned.
34:32
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, just making sure you listen to your body.
34:35
Speaker 4: In the early stages of an injury, sometimes there's like
34:39
Speaker 4: minor little aches and pains that you just push off
34:42
Speaker 4: to the side because you're like, I don't have time
34:44
Speaker 4: for an injury right now, so.
34:45
Speaker 5: I'm just going to keep pushing through it.
34:47
Speaker 4: But listen to those little pains and make sure you're
34:50
Speaker 4: either treating it early or you know, just making sure
34:53
Speaker 4: you're looking at it so it doesn't turn into anything bigger,
34:56
Speaker 4: I would say, And that's probably one of the things
34:59
Speaker 4: that I struggle with, is just you know, acknowledging that
35:01
Speaker 4: you're hurting and you need to take a.
35:04
Speaker 3: Look at it. I'll never forget that someone had messaged
35:06
Speaker 3: me who had maybe the day before, and I'm sure
35:09
Speaker 3: there was some emotional trauma. But COVID gestures loosely, and
35:16
Speaker 3: she was like, I'm supposed to run a marathon in
35:18
Speaker 3: three weeks, Like what should I do? Should I be training?
35:21
Speaker 3: Like while I have COVID? And I was like, ask
35:24
Speaker 3: yourself that question again and then ask me what you
35:27
Speaker 3: think my answer is going to be. She knew the answer.
35:29
Speaker 3: The answer is you need your body needs to recover.
35:32
Speaker 3: You need to recover, So take a step back, give
35:35
Speaker 3: your body what it needs.
35:36
Speaker 2: Rest, and then you're going to figure it out.
35:39
Speaker 3: You know. Like I hate to say what will be
35:41
Speaker 3: will be, and that doesn't make the blow any less,
35:44
Speaker 3: you know, feel dramatic when we're going through the things
35:47
Speaker 3: that we don't want to happen. But longevity should always
35:50
Speaker 3: be the goal, right, So I mean I as well,
35:53
Speaker 3: I asked you if there was a time that you
35:55
Speaker 3: didn't get to show up to a starting line. I
35:58
Speaker 3: also have gone through and experience where I didn't get
36:00
Speaker 3: to show up to a marathon starting line that I
36:02
Speaker 3: was really excited for, and that experience taught me a
36:05
Speaker 3: lot of grace with myself. It taught me the importance
36:08
Speaker 3: of like kind of examining my identity as the both
36:11
Speaker 3: of you so eloquently said that was so important to
36:14
Speaker 3: you when you were struggling with injury, and it really
36:16
Speaker 3: does help propel you forward to like the next really
36:19
Speaker 3: you know, exciting thing. You come back stronger, as they say.
36:23
Speaker 2: And you can always sign up for a different marathon.
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Speaker 3: I know, Yes, there will be more marathons, more things
36:28
Speaker 3: to do. Okay, we did here. We touched on recovery,
36:32
Speaker 3: we touched on temperature, we touched on gear, we touched
36:36
Speaker 3: on advice. Now, when it comes to pre race rituals,
36:41
Speaker 3: do either of you have rituals that are like a
36:44
Speaker 3: huge part of your pre race routine.
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Speaker 1: In college, I was grounded in rituals, like everything was
36:50
Speaker 1: planned out to the minute.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I have let go all of.
36:53
Speaker 1: A lot of it because I think that can lead
36:55
Speaker 1: to some negative things, like oh no, I forgot my socks.
36:59
Speaker 1: Now I can't run, Like that's not true. But I
37:02
Speaker 1: have a few things. I like to braid my hair
37:04
Speaker 1: for some reason, that's just my thing. And I do
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Speaker 1: three jumps on the start line and that's it.
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Speaker 3: Now, I'd say those are like respectable rituals.
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Speaker 4: I yeah, I don't really either. I think when I
37:16
Speaker 4: was younger, I was more superstitious. I remember I had
37:18
Speaker 4: a lucky pair of racing underwear at one point in
37:20
Speaker 4: high school. I would like write my time on the
37:24
Speaker 4: underwear and everything.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't have those anymore.
37:29
Speaker 3: But my dad was weird for collecting champagne bottles with
37:32
Speaker 3: my times on them.
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Speaker 2: That's cool.
37:35
Speaker 3: If your parents weren't collecting year old underwear, that might be.
37:38
Speaker 4: That's no, that's a no no. But now I'm not
37:41
Speaker 4: superstitious at all. I think yeah, with kind of what
37:44
Speaker 4: Dakota alluded to, I think every race is so different.
37:47
Speaker 4: If you do have those superstitions in place, it can
37:49
Speaker 4: just end up hurting you because you know things are
37:52
Speaker 4: not always going to go to go according to plans,
37:54
Speaker 4: so you just have to be flexible. And I think
37:57
Speaker 4: that's something I've just learned with age and years of racing.
38:00
Speaker 3: So we talked about the best advice that you've been offered.
38:03
Speaker 3: But when it comes to beginner marathonors, if you had
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to offer them some advice, what would you
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Speaker 3: tell them?
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Speaker 1: My biggest advice to a marathon or or any person
38:15
Speaker 1: who's just running their first race is just have fun,
38:17
Speaker 1: have a good experience. It's going to get you hooked
38:19
Speaker 1: and you're you're going to want to do it again.
38:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally agree. That was the goal for me
38:23
Speaker 5: as well.
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Speaker 4: My coach leading into the New York Marathon, he was like,
38:27
Speaker 4: let's just make sure this is a good experience so
38:29
Speaker 4: you actually want to come back to it, because I
38:32
Speaker 4: think if you know, if you're not having fun with it,
38:34
Speaker 4: you're probably not going to want to come back to it.
38:37
Speaker 4: And you know that means something different for everyone. So
38:40
Speaker 4: just yeah, making sure you're finding joy in the training
38:43
Speaker 4: of it and making sure you're finding joy in the
38:45
Speaker 4: race too.
38:46
Speaker 3: Earlier touched on pace, but we kind of like hurdled
38:50
Speaker 3: over that, no pun intended. So when it comes to pacing,
38:54
Speaker 3: because as you were giving your answer, I was thinking
38:56
Speaker 3: about your fast you just going out there and kind
38:58
Speaker 3: of going balls to the wall. Do you have a
39:00
Speaker 3: goal for how you like to execute on a marathon
39:03
Speaker 3: anyone and you start us off.
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Speaker 4: The goal was to break two thirty, just a time
39:08
Speaker 4: goal and then an internal goal. I did want to
39:11
Speaker 4: place top three American. It was I mean, I had
39:15
Speaker 4: kind of had a pretty successful season leading up to
39:18
Speaker 4: it in other distances, and so I was pretty confident
39:22
Speaker 4: going into it, and so I knew it was a possibility.
39:25
Speaker 4: But I think for me, for every race, whether it's
39:28
Speaker 4: a marathon, five k, ten k, is just you know,
39:31
Speaker 4: just make decisions based off of the information that you
39:34
Speaker 4: have at the moment. And so you know, at New York,
39:37
Speaker 4: it was this feels right to be at the front,
39:39
Speaker 4: So this is what I'm going to do, And as
39:42
Speaker 4: long as it feels right, I'm going to do it,
39:43
Speaker 4: And as soon as it feels wrong, I'm going to
39:45
Speaker 4: tuck back in and just past off of other people.
39:49
Speaker 5: So you just really have to.
39:50
Speaker 4: Gauge your body, how are you feeling, and just listen
39:54
Speaker 4: to that as much as you can. Don't try it,
39:56
Speaker 4: don't try to trick yourself with how you're feeling. Really,
39:58
Speaker 4: just listen to your gut what that tells you.
40:01
Speaker 3: Do the best you can with what you have.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, That's all you can do really.
40:05
Speaker 3: And then also I love that you're speaking to like
40:07
Speaker 3: a rate of perceived exertion right, Like doing that really legitimate,
40:12
Speaker 3: like kind of close your eyes internal audit where it's
40:14
Speaker 3: like how hard am I working right now? And like
40:17
Speaker 3: what does it feel like? What am I capable of?
40:20
Speaker 3: Do I have more in the tank? Do I need
40:21
Speaker 3: to ease up? This is all really important, and I
40:24
Speaker 3: mean you work specifically with a coach to come up
40:27
Speaker 3: with a plan. Which I think is something that I
40:29
Speaker 3: cannot reiterate enough to anyone in the room or anyone
40:32
Speaker 3: who may be listening to this, is that everybody's different, right.
40:35
Speaker 3: So while we may sit here and in a second, Dakota,
40:37
Speaker 3: we'll talk to us about how she likes to pace,
40:39
Speaker 3: but one person may go out there and want to
40:43
Speaker 3: pace perhaps what they call a negative splits marathon, which
40:46
Speaker 3: is when each of your miles, you know over time,
40:49
Speaker 3: is a little faster, so to speak. But someone else
40:52
Speaker 3: may know that they don't have that in the tank.
40:54
Speaker 3: They actually are better going out a little fast, knowing
40:57
Speaker 3: that they won't burn out, but they will slow down
40:59
Speaker 3: a little bit. So everyone it's going to be a
41:00
Speaker 3: little bit different. So although you can listen to advice
41:03
Speaker 3: from some really talented ladies like the one sitting next
41:06
Speaker 3: to me, it really helps to talk to a coach
41:08
Speaker 3: one on one and get some good relevant tips pertaining
41:11
Speaker 3: to you as an athlete. Now pacing for you, da Quota,
41:14
Speaker 3: what's it look like?
41:15
Speaker 2: I'm more mesonomic.
41:16
Speaker 1: I don't prefer to start a little slower.
41:19
Speaker 2: And get faster.
41:19
Speaker 1: That's just sometimes later in a marathon, my legs just
41:22
Speaker 1: don't have that turnover.
41:24
Speaker 2: But I think it also depends on the course, because
41:26
Speaker 2: of course, like Boston, I.
41:27
Speaker 1: Think you should go out there and kind of put
41:30
Speaker 1: some time in your back.
41:31
Speaker 2: Pocket on those downhills.
41:33
Speaker 1: But also not to say you should start, you know,
41:37
Speaker 1: balls to the walls like Addy, because you will pay
41:41
Speaker 1: for it if you're going outside of yourself.
41:44
Speaker 3: Traveling for a race can come with its own set
41:46
Speaker 3: of challenges. I know that some of the questions that
41:49
Speaker 3: came in definitely revolved around that. Right, so you traveled
41:52
Speaker 3: to run in New York, talk to us a little
41:54
Speaker 3: bit about maybe some considerations that you took into account
41:57
Speaker 3: when it came to racing, you know, going from a
42:01
Speaker 3: hotel to towing the starting line and somewhere that's not
42:03
Speaker 3: your hometown.
42:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just kind of treating it like usual.
42:09
Speaker 4: I guess, just controlling the things you can control, a
42:12
Speaker 4: lot of things are out of your control, so just
42:14
Speaker 4: kind of going with the flow in that way. But
42:17
Speaker 4: also I really like to treat races as like many
42:20
Speaker 4: vacations too. Where it's like, oh, I get to explore
42:23
Speaker 4: a new city. You know, in New York you're essentially
42:26
Speaker 4: touring the entire city while you're running the race.
42:29
Speaker 5: And you know, same for Boston. You're getting to see
42:31
Speaker 5: so much of the.
42:32
Speaker 4: City and so just really soaking that in and you know,
42:36
Speaker 4: just sticking to your routine with food and sleep and
42:38
Speaker 4: all that kind of thing.
42:39
Speaker 5: It does make it feel more at home.
42:42
Speaker 3: I guess too, What about you when it comes to
42:44
Speaker 3: traveling and running a race, anything to keep in mind.
42:47
Speaker 1: I'm definitely getting out there farther ahead than the day before,
42:50
Speaker 1: just to you know, planes get canceled, there are delays,
42:53
Speaker 1: and then I like to just make sure there's a coffee.
42:55
Speaker 2: Shop nearby for that pre yeah.
42:59
Speaker 5: Pre raise coffee.
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Speaker 3: All right, as we wind down here, now, what I
43:04
Speaker 3: want to know, what advice would you offer to any
43:09
Speaker 3: beginner runner here.
43:11
Speaker 1: I think your limits start where your vision ends, is
43:15
Speaker 1: what I would tell them, and that if you can
43:17
Speaker 1: dream it, you can do it.
43:19
Speaker 4: You never think you're gonna be that person who's achieving
43:23
Speaker 4: all these great things, and then when it's you, it's
43:26
Speaker 4: just remembering to enjoy those moments and just enjoying all
43:30
Speaker 4: the moments that lead up to those those big moments
43:32
Speaker 4: as well, and just you know, taking it day by day.
43:36
Speaker 4: I think most runners want to have a long career
43:39
Speaker 4: or a long time that they're in the sport of running,
43:42
Speaker 4: and so just enjoying every day of it.
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Speaker 3: Celebrate the small wins, is what I heard there. Yeah, amazing, amazing, Well,
43:51
Speaker 3: thank you the both of you so much time. Thanks
43:55
Speaker 3: you know how comes another hurdle conquered catch. You guys
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Speaker 3: have time
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Speaker 5: To mo