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Tigers checkup: Bregman next? Jack Flaherty's wild ride · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Plan a I think is to get bregnant, but there's
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Speaker 1: a strong argument they need a right handed bat. Regardless,
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Speaker 1: it's really strengthen this lineup.
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Speaker 2: The great Cody staven Hagen, probably with no sleep last night,
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Speaker 2: but still fresh.
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Speaker 3: Where are you?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 4: Looks like he's at the mall. You he's got a
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Speaker 4: really big.
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Speaker 1: We're hanging out in northern Michigan. Supposed to be on vacation,
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Speaker 1: but the Tigers keep making me work.
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Speaker 2: You were like, you know what, I think I'll go
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Speaker 2: away right before spring training.
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Speaker 3: Off season will be done.
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Speaker 2: Hold up, the Tigers have been playing chicken with some
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Speaker 2: of their favorite free agents, so let's start here. Is
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Speaker 2: that what was happening with Jack Flaherty. He joined our
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Speaker 2: show a couple of weeks ago and said teams were
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Speaker 2: checking in.
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Speaker 3: Like, Hey, how you doing.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you want to maybe come down
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Speaker 1: on price and join us?
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Speaker 2: Do you think that's what happened here? And then obviously
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Speaker 2: we'll get into the fun stuff. But how did the
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Speaker 2: negotiation go down?
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Speaker 3: In your mind?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this one kind of fell into the
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Speaker 1: Tiger's lap, right. I mean, I would not have envisioned
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Speaker 1: them signing Jack Flaherty out the outset of the offseason.
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Speaker 1: Jack wanted eighty ninety one hundred million dollars, and with
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Speaker 1: the way he pitched last year, I'm not sure that
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Speaker 1: was unreasonable, but the market just did not materialize for him.
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Speaker 1: I think when Jack and his camp realized that they
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Speaker 1: had to come down in their ask, he obviously talked
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Speaker 1: about liking his time in Detroit wanting to come back.
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Speaker 1: I think the Tigers were happy to have him if
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Speaker 1: they were able to get him on a shorter term
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Speaker 1: one to two year deal, which is what they got
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Speaker 1: one or two years with an opt out after that
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Speaker 1: first season. I think they're really excited to get him
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Speaker 1: back and excited to get him back kind of with
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Speaker 1: that that lower term commitment, even though they're going to
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Speaker 1: pay him twenty five million next year.
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Speaker 4: Are they better?
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Speaker 5: I mean, let's just get right to it. Are they
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Speaker 5: better than they were last year? We just saw who
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Speaker 5: they added, I mean, Glabor Torres basically taking over what
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Speaker 5: you thought torkl Sin would give you coming off a
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Speaker 5: thirty home run year. Like, are they a better team
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Speaker 5: than they were last year at the beginning of the season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The way I'm thinking about that is, like I think
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Speaker 1: the floor is a lot higher. This is still a
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Speaker 1: really young team. There's still going to be some questions.
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Speaker 1: But they lost literally nobody from their playoff rous here,
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Speaker 1: they had no free agents. They've made some solid acquisitions. Now, Look,
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Speaker 1: if they were able to get that big, All Star
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Speaker 1: caliber bat, then you could start really feeling optimistic about
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Speaker 1: this team. But there's some young hitters. Look, they may
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Speaker 1: not all take a huge lead, but if a couple
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Speaker 1: of them take a step forward, I think the floor
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Speaker 1: is higher and there's a world where they could be
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Speaker 1: even better than last season, for sure.
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Speaker 4: Cody, are they done? That's what I want to know.
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Speaker 4: Are they done?
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Speaker 6: Kinley's a nice edition to the bullpen, A veteran guy
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Speaker 6: down there, labor obviously Alex Cobb if he's healthy, which
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Speaker 6: always seems to be a thing with him, you can
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Speaker 6: do some nice things and then you have throw Flaherty
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Speaker 6: to back up Schoogle. Are they done or is there
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Speaker 6: a little third basement out there floating around that aj
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Speaker 6: Hinch knows very well that would slide in nicely at
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Speaker 6: third base to play there for him and Alex Bregman.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're done. I think right handed bat
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Speaker 1: is a priority one way or another. Bregman's obviously the
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Speaker 1: big fish, and I think they've shaped a lot of
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Speaker 1: their offseason around staying in the Alex Bregman pursuit. We're
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Speaker 1: going to see what happens and we can talk more
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Speaker 1: about it. I think they have a chance, and even
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Speaker 1: if they miss one bregmant I'll be curious if there
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Speaker 1: is a pivot, whether that's for a platoon guy like
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Speaker 1: Randall Gritschik, or maybe you circle back to the Nolan
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Speaker 1: Arnado idea. The plan a, I think is to get Bregnant,
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Speaker 1: but there's a strong argument they need a right handed
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Speaker 1: bat regardless to really strengthen this lineup.
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Speaker 5: If they pivot to Aeronado, is there a chance Eronado
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Speaker 5: even says, hey, I'm cool with that because he's he's
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Speaker 5: kind of made it.
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Speaker 4: You haven't heard anything.
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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not even sure if the Tigers would
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Speaker 1: circle back on that conversation. There was a time where
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Speaker 1: I don't think Arnado had any interest in coming to Detroit.
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Speaker 1: There's also a time where he did have interest in
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Speaker 1: going to Houston, and now he might have to be
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Speaker 1: open minded or he's going to be stuck in Saint Louis.
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Speaker 1: So I think one of these teams that missus Valen
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Speaker 1: Bragman might circle back to Nolan, And if I were him,
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Speaker 1: I'd be a little more willing to go elsewhere at this.
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Speaker 6: Time, Cody, is this the Tiger's strategy now? Kind of
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Speaker 6: wait guys out? Because you said you never thought the
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Speaker 6: jack flair would be back because the market didn't dictate it.
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Speaker 4: So is this now the strategy that there? We've talked
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Speaker 4: about this.
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Speaker 6: A lot of teams are kind of like, oh, we'll
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Speaker 6: just wait players out until they kind of get into
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Speaker 6: a mode, or hey, we'll take shorter term deals. Could
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Speaker 6: this be the case with an Alex Bragman type or
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Speaker 6: they're just waiting and waiting and hoping he'll come for
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Speaker 6: a year or two and have opt outs and give
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Speaker 6: maybe a higher AAV but make sure there's opt outs
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Speaker 6: bounced in there so he can try again next offseason
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Speaker 6: or the offseason after that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think this.
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of teams are taking this strategy.
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Speaker 1: I understand why that's frustrating for players. I think it's
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Speaker 1: definitely a strategic move for the Tigers. Scott Harris, like,
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Speaker 1: I just think he likes flexibility, He really wants to
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Speaker 1: make sure he's winning these deals. Doesn't love long term commitments.
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Speaker 1: The Bregmant thing might end up being a little bit different.
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Speaker 1: I still think years could be a huge sticking point
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Speaker 1: for Bregman or for the Tigers, Like, are they going
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Speaker 1: to go six seven? I don't know. I think if
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Speaker 1: they're willing to go six or seven years, maybe this
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Speaker 1: would have been done a long time ago, but they'd
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Speaker 1: probably prefer to get him on a shorter term deal.
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Speaker 1: But it's also like, I don't know if you're gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to get Alex Bregman for two years, three years.
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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's five years with some optouts in there.
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Speaker 1: Maybe there's more. I think that might be the type
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Speaker 1: of thing it takes to get Bregman. If the Tigers
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Speaker 1: are willing to throw some the right money on the
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Speaker 1: table and structure the contract the right way, there's definitely
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Speaker 1: a world where they can happen. We don't know what
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Speaker 1: they're offering, but I get the sense they think they
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Speaker 1: have a strong offer on the table. But I don't
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Speaker 1: think they want to make like a seven year, you know,
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Speaker 1: straight up commitment to a guy and that's one reason
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Speaker 1: that the Bregman saga has taken so long to play out.
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Speaker 4: Dang it, Hobby bias just is hurting the Tiger.
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Speaker 5: There's chances of getting this, but where they where do
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Speaker 5: they rank right now in this division with this Jack
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Speaker 5: Flaherty move, Because as soon as Bregman signs and we're
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Speaker 5: gonna ask you to come back on again and we're
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Speaker 5: gonna listen to Tiger territory to hear where they rank
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Speaker 5: after they get bragmant.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think if they get Bregnant, they're pretty clear ale
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Speaker 1: Central favorites. And then you start talking like where do
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Speaker 1: they rank in the American League as a whole, you know,
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Speaker 1: Yankees Orioles, Like who else would you put up there?
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Speaker 1: If this team adds Alex Bregman. That's, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: a pretty strong argument for the Tigers to go get
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Speaker 1: that deal done right now. I think it's you know
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Speaker 1: them and the rule Like the Arals hard the Tigers,
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Speaker 1: The Royals look good, The Guardians always find a way
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Speaker 1: to be competitive. The Twins had a terrible finish last year,
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Speaker 1: but there's still a lot of talent on that roster.
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Speaker 1: Tigers are going to be projected, I think toward the
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Speaker 1: top of this division, but you could still see a
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Speaker 1: world where their lineup can struggle a little bit. And
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Speaker 1: that's why I wouldn't quite to clear them all out
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Speaker 1: favorites until they get another bat in.
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Speaker 3: There, Cody.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask more about Flaherty and how he's
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Speaker 2: you know, bounced around a little bit the last couple
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Speaker 2: of seasons. So I'll start with a FAM's question in
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Speaker 2: the chat. How come the Orioles traded away Jack and
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Speaker 2: made it seem that he wouldn't go back there due
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Speaker 2: to that? How come the Tigers were not considered in
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Speaker 2: that way? Did you hear that at all, that he
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Speaker 2: wouldn't go back to the Orils. I don't think that
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Speaker 2: was the case. I never heard that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know like the facts here, so I
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Speaker 1: don't want to speculate too much, but I think he
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Speaker 1: just wasn't quite a good fit. I mean, his the
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Speaker 1: back half of his year with the Orioles, he was
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Speaker 1: finishing the year in the bullpit, like. I don't think
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Speaker 1: he was happy. I don't think he pitched as well
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Speaker 1: as they wanted him to. He's a pretty different pitcher
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Speaker 1: than two years ago when he was in Baltimore. I
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Speaker 1: mean he changed his delivery, he changed usage. But I
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Speaker 1: think kind of like just the it didn't go well
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Speaker 1: the first time he was there, and that might have
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Speaker 1: made both sides a little hesitant to do that again.
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Speaker 1: As he pitched great for the Tigers. The Tigers loved him,
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Speaker 1: He enjoyed his time there. It's very different situations between
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Speaker 1: those two teams.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember then when we have Jack on.
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Speaker 6: He just said it wasn't a good fit, I believe,
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Speaker 6: And he said not that he didn't enjoy his time there,
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Speaker 6: but he just said it didn't work out. He didn't
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Speaker 6: pitch very well. And he's like, I don't know that
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Speaker 6: I would go back there. And listen, some teams just
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Speaker 6: aren't fits for guys, right. He obviously said on here
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Speaker 6: he loved his time in Detroit. Schooble said, Hey, I
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Speaker 6: loved him here to have my back in big games.
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Speaker 6: So listen, he can't ended up in Detroit place. He
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Speaker 6: knows well, he's in Lakeland right down the street. Maybe
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Speaker 6: we can get him to come sit next to me
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Speaker 6: instead of Scott. That'd be awesome.
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Speaker 4: One day.
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Speaker 6: Maybe we have him on one side, Scooble on the other.
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Speaker 6: We can have a great show. Scott can sit it out,
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Speaker 6: all right, Cody. Maybe we could even have you come on.
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Speaker 6: It's not that far Lakeland or Land.
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Speaker 3: That's called Tiger Territory.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we we had scoobl on. He's he's great. That'd
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Speaker 1: be a fun show. But we can't just kick Scott out.
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Speaker 4: Like this, Come on, why not you?
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Speaker 2: I mean you can't, and you can if you guys
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Speaker 2: have Flaherty, Scooble and Cody on a show. I mean
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Speaker 2: I would say you could probably kick out AJ two.
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Speaker 2: We really only have a three seat set up at
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Speaker 2: Studio AJ, so we could just have those three. But again,
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Speaker 2: that would be Tiger Territory.
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Speaker 6: It'd be great if they were all sitting here Scott
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Speaker 6: and you were outside sucking your thumb.
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Speaker 1: So they if they get Bregman, we can add Bregman
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Speaker 1: to the Knicks. Take me out of it. The Tigers
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Speaker 1: will be contenders on a national level. It can be
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory show. I'd never have been more nationally
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Speaker 1: relevant than a long time right.
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Speaker 3: That's right, Hey, I'm getting into it. You know.
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Speaker 2: One of our regulars, d Ride in the chat says,
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Speaker 2: I'm being too hard on the whole Yankee situation from
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Speaker 2: last year.
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Speaker 3: What do you remember from it?
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Speaker 2: When they were going to acquire him and then they
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Speaker 2: essentially flunked the medicals for a two month stretch. I
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Speaker 2: was critical at the time because I said, number one,
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Speaker 2: you don't want to end up facing him in the
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Speaker 2: World Series. They did, and I know there was a
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Speaker 2: good start in a bad and number two, I do
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Speaker 2: think it hurt his stock. I think when there's a
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Speaker 2: big market team, that's always in the news and it
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Speaker 2: gets public. However it did that they were going to
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Speaker 2: get him, but then they didn't want him because of
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Speaker 2: his back. It does hurt his free agent stock. I
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Speaker 2: don't think it was necessarily fair to Jack and I
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Speaker 2: know even if he was battling it a little bit
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Speaker 2: that it seems like he's okay.
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Speaker 3: He pitched down the stretch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that had a lot to do with
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Speaker 1: why he didn't get that four or five year deal
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Speaker 1: he might have wanted. There's some concerns about his back.
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Speaker 1: He's had some shoulder injuries throughout his career. He's never
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Speaker 1: had a major surgery, but he had two injections in
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Speaker 1: the back last year. And even though we pitched really
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Speaker 1: well for the Dodgers, we saw it. He was a
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Speaker 1: little more up and down in the postseason. The velocity
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Speaker 1: started fluctuating a lot toward.
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Speaker 3: The end of the year.
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Speaker 1: I think that gave some teams pause, maybe even the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: They weren't offering him four or five years, and there's
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Speaker 1: an opta he has to make fifteen starts if he
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Speaker 1: wants to make twenty million a year, two otherwise evil
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Speaker 1: going to get ten. So that is structured in a
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Speaker 1: way to give the Tigers, like a little bit of
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Speaker 1: risk protection. But you kind of have to like how
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Speaker 1: this worked out for the Tigers. The Yankees mixed a deal.
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Speaker 1: They were still interested in acquiring him, which is important
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Speaker 1: to remember. They just basically didn't want to give up
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Speaker 1: as much. There was a world on deadline day, whereas like,
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Speaker 1: are the Tigers even going to be able to move
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Speaker 1: Jack Flaherty, O team's going to be too worried about
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Speaker 1: his back. Well, they got a top one hundred prospect
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Speaker 1: in Tyron Moronzo. They got a short stop in Trey
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Speaker 1: Sweeney who helped them down the stretch last year and
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Speaker 1: could play a lot this coming season. And now they
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Speaker 1: got Jack Flaherty back. And he's like, still a lot
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Speaker 1: eligible to received a qualifying offer. I think this worked
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Speaker 1: out better for the Tigers than I ever would have
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Speaker 1: imagined at the time.
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Speaker 2: I remember that was a buzzer beater deal too. That
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Speaker 2: was really really late in the trade deadline game, because
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Speaker 2: I remember Dodger fans were getting a little bit irritated
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Speaker 2: with their progress. I think it was Edmund there was
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Speaker 2: somebody else that I'm missing, and they were like, that's it.
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Speaker 3: You need a starter, all right, copeck yep.
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Speaker 2: But I think Dodger fans were like, we are dropping
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Speaker 2: starters like flies.
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Speaker 3: We're in trouble.
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Speaker 2: And it really helped them to pick up innings there
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Speaker 2: down the stretch, and then of course have them with
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Speaker 2: some postseason performances that were great and then yeah, a
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Speaker 2: couple where you know, he didn't quite carry the load.
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Speaker 2: All right, Cody, Great to have you on, man, appreciate
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Speaker 2: the time, and we're excited to hear.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Scott doesn't pay attention, so read No I did.
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Speaker 2: I did, Adrian, I did pay attention, I said, everyone good,
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Speaker 2: No one replied, I'm looking at the check.
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Speaker 4: Checked the check the text Scott check It.
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Speaker 2: Says eight seconds ago, which is when I was saying bye,
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Speaker 2: but well.
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Speaker 4: O producer lady replied, so that is not true.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it had said now it's been let's say,
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Speaker 2: twenty two seconds ago.
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Speaker 3: But go ahead, go ahead, no read.
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Speaker 6: I thought you're going to read the tweet, Cody, he's out.
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Speaker 6: You're in, all right, Cody. So you said you're on
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Speaker 6: vacation in northern Michigan. What the hell do you do
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Speaker 6: in northern Michigan besides freeze your balls off? I mean,
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Speaker 6: you live in Detroit. Why would you go north to
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Speaker 6: Detroit to get colder? I don't understand.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you got to make other people happy. We
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Speaker 1: got some wineries up here. I've not started the tasting yet.
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Speaker 1: Today held off just for you guys. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: the real good content. Yeah good.
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Speaker 2: We'll have Cody again live in four hours on FT
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Speaker 2: after dark to hear how he really feels about Tiger
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Speaker 2: territory and the moves that the Tiger's made. But Cody,
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Speaker 2: enjoy the time and enjoy the break while you have it,
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Speaker 2: and then you know you'll be hustling tomorrow when they
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Speaker 2: signed Bragman.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right exactly. Hey, hopefully that doesn't go down tonight
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Speaker 1: but thanks for having me. It's good time, guys.
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Speaker 2: De Rod's one of our OG's. He always comments on
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Speaker 2: our videos too, so I want to give him some
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Speaker 2: love there. And him and I have been battling over
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Speaker 2: Flaherty for almost a year now because he thinks I'm
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Speaker 2: too hard on the Yankees for the situation. Hey, they
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Speaker 2: did what they did, but it does hurt the player.
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Speaker 2: I do want to make sure that I document that part.
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Speaker 2: When something comes out publicly, Guys tell me if I'm
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Speaker 2: wrong here. Teams recognize it, even if they have their
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Speaker 2: own internal medical advice.
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Speaker 3: They go, oh, the Yankees said no.
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Speaker 2: They pay a lot of money to a lot of
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Speaker 2: people to help them make these decisions.
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Speaker 5: I don't know that just because the Yankees, just because
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Speaker 5: the Yankees. I mean, the person that's making a decision
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Speaker 5: for the Yankees is just a person. They don't have
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Speaker 5: this like biometric robot that can make like they could
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Speaker 5: be strict or less strict, whatever it is. Anything I
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Speaker 5: could write an article and write, I could tweet out
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Speaker 5: there say well I did some research and these are
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Speaker 5: the guys that are most likely going to blow.
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Speaker 4: Out that hurts the player.
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Speaker 5: I have no backing, Just like you know, the Yankees
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Speaker 5: medical staff is reading those medicals and they're like, it's
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Speaker 5: not quite it's not so bad. They didn't want him,
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Speaker 5: didn't want him quite as bad. So anything that comes out,
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Speaker 5: anything that comes out from any team, not just the Yankees.
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Speaker 4: Mm hm, listen, I hate when this gets out. This
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Speaker 4: is why I listen.
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Speaker 6: I give Ken some degree for this, But he would
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Speaker 6: always hear that I was getting close to the team,
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Speaker 6: and I'd always lied to him until him no, even
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Speaker 6: though it was pretty much already done, because you always
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Speaker 6: had to pass the medical side, right, so you never
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Speaker 6: wanted to get out that in case something bad goes
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Speaker 6: comes up, like man, I got a bad elbow or
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Speaker 6: bad knee or a bad hip or bad back or
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Speaker 6: whatever it is, because you don't want that to get
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Speaker 6: out that Oh well, like Carlos Korea had a couple
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Speaker 6: of years ago with his leg ankle foot area. Oh well,
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Speaker 6: he failed this physically, he failed this physically, failed this, well,
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Speaker 6: that just lowers your value as a player. So you
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Speaker 6: got to be careful. And this stuff shouldn't have gotten out.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it didn't come from Flaherty's camp, and it
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Speaker 6: didn't come from the Tigers, so Where did it come
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Speaker 6: from the Yankees?
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Speaker 4: It had to come from the Yankees.
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Speaker 6: There's no well the way to put it, because Flarerty
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Speaker 6: ain't saying that, and the Tigers ain't saying that because
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Speaker 6: Anyonet is value high. So that came from someone in
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Speaker 6: the Yankees organization.
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Speaker 2: And quick answer to those of you asking Pete Alonzo
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Speaker 2: to the Tigers.
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Speaker 3: Now they have Cole Keith.
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Speaker 2: They haven't locked up long term, and he looked really
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Speaker 2: good in the second half.
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Speaker 3: He's gonna play first. Torkolsen still there.
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Speaker 2: I think he could get traded, but that doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: like the spot