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Catherine Wheel · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right, we've done all the
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work for you. All you have to do is push play
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and listen. My name is Justin and you can
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call me band curious because I like to talk to my friends about
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the bands that they enjoy and what's going to happen.
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And we'll have a conversation. We are going to mash a playlist
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together to come out with 10 songs that will get you into the
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band. But rest assured we are going to
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do that today. And you know, a lot of times I
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like, I try to think like hard and heavy about what I'm going
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to do here. And you know, maybe I'm maybe I
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want to touch you. Like maybe that's a little too
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on the nose. Maybe, maybe I'm maybe I'm
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getting into some deep rooted issues here.
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But Frank, Catherine wheel was put on the on the board by you.
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I think maybe right after beach house or right before beach
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house around when we did the beach house episode.
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So it's it's only your second time here, but you put Catherine
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wheel on the board. So talk to me about Catherine
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Wheel and why you felt like it was important.
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We talk about them today. I feel like Catherine Wheel's an
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essential band because it is so they are a lot of the Shoegazy
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or the New Gaze bands that you hear these days are very
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influenced by the Catherine Wheel and like The Smashing
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Pumpkins, they also later in the career changed it to the to have
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AT in front of it. But I was a big fan while I was
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in high school when I discovered them on 120 Minutes and just the
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lush production of it and everything.
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And especially with their second album, Chrome, a lot of the
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heavy shoe gaze that you hear these days, a band like nothing
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or any of that of those kind of the bands of that ilk are
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pulling a lot from Chrome and from the Catherine Wheel and any
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shoe gaze band worth, you know, what is it worth their salt?
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Is that the term? Is that what I can't remember?
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Anyway, yeah, any, any, any band that wants to hang their hat on
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shoe gaze owes a lot to Katherine Wheel.
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And I feel like they kind of get lost in the conversation, of
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course, amongst the juggernauts like My Bloody Valentine, you
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know, or Slow Dive, Ethan Wheel kind of gets left behind.
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And I think it's because people get confused on where to put
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them because like The Smashing Pumpkins, they have a very
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diverse palette in like a very diverse Sonic palette.
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And I think that a lot more bands were influenced them by
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them than people give credit for.
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And they're just one of my favorite bands sonically.
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And Rob, Rob, the lead singer, released a great solo album as
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well. So that's my reason why I think
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they should be in the conversation.
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And they're one of those bands where I'm like, please reunite
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already, please. That was actually a common
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response I got when I asked the Internet.
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Like, what do you consider a central Catherine wheel was?
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I wish they would reunite. It's like, well, that's not what
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I asked, but OK. Yeah, I.
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Appreciate the answer. Everybody else has.
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So it's like there, it's just a matter of they almost did in
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2008 from what I read. Then recently they've been their
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socials have been kind of kicking up with the
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anniversaries of some of the albums, and Rob had even teased
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in an interview that it would happen eventually, but not sure
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when. Well, you know, before we move
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on then, did they end contentiously or was it just
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like kind of they were in a creative juice?
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I mean, yeah, the original bass player they let go of before
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Wishville, their last album. And that was because of quote UN
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quote musical differences. I believe the bass has said that
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that he was concerned they were going too far into late period
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talk talk, which is brilliant, brilliant period for talk talk.
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And but he didn't quite like that direction and felt they
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were going too much in that direction.
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So then Catherine Wheel was kind of like, you know, the rest of
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Catherine Wheel was kind of like, all right, never mind.
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But when Wishfield didn't do that well, they had toured
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extensively in the States and they even did the Somersault
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Festival with The Smashing Pumpkins as well in Canada.
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And yeah, they, they guess because cells weren't doing that
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well, they got burned out on touring.
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Rob started to focus his stuff elsewhere.
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He was already starting to get into the car repair business.
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Basically, he remodels or he restores Porsches.
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He has a a business called Singer Vehicle Design.
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And he's been doing that, you know, since, since the band had
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been disbanded. And 'cause we interviewed Jimmy
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Chamberlain, he had talked about that cause Jimmy Chamberlain is
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a big, you know, car guy, race car guy.
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So he and Rob talk all the time about that stuff.
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But then also they open for the Pumpkins in 92.
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I've mentioned the Pumpkins a lot 'cause some of your
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listeners may not know. I run on Smashing Pumpkins
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podcast. But yeah, they opened, yeah, for
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The Smashing Pumpkins in 92. So there's that association
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there. But yeah, they they just kind of
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like, it was pretty amicable. And they even called the
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original bass player and they were like, hey, we're thinking
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of getting back together. What do you think?
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And he was on board with it, but it just didn't happen.
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And so like it, there's no bad blood there.
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Luckily, I think they just all were like, OK, we did our best.
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And, you know, it's just not working out.
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We're not getting any more popular.
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And the musical landscape is changing, so it's time to call
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it quits. Well, it's not time for Peter to
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call it quits. I, I don't think this was on the
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board for like a really long time, but it was sitting empty
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for for a while. I don't know if maybe you just
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kind of finally went through and said said, oh wait, Captain
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Real. That's something I'd like to do.
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How did you end up on on Captain Real Peter?
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I was kind of late to the party with them.
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I didn't discover them until 2000 and three 2004 or something
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like that. A friend of mine bought a couple
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of VH tape VHS tapes off of eBay that had episodes of 120 minutes
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on them and he let me borrow them and same thing.
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I saw the Catherine Rail. I was like holy shit, whoever
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these guys, how did I miss these guys?
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I looked them up and I'm like fuck, they broke up.
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Too late already. But I went and listened to their
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stuff and I was like, this is really good shoe gaze.
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Like and like you said earlier, like, you know, there's the big
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juggernauts of shoe gaze like My Bloody Valentine or Slow Dive.
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But like these guys need to be like in the same conversation
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with them, I feel. And like we mentioned earlier,
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like they start branch out their sound like around like the third
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album, like things get like a little bit heavier, a little bit
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sharper. And I just think they're a band
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that more people need to know about.
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And I agree they should reunite already because if Oasis can
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reunite, why can't these guys? That's.
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True, that is true. If the Gallagher brothers can
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put it aside to to do a tour. I feel like whatever happened
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here and it again, it doesn't sound like it was anything
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messy. So Gavin, I, I feel like by the
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time Peter signed up, you signed up shortly afterwards.
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So talk I, I know in the chat you kind of said this is like
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outside of your wheelhouse. It sounds like it's adjacent
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enough that you're willing to to take the chance.
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Am I wrong on that or is this is this just something you wanted
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another swing at? Is Catherine Wheelhouse?
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Sorry, I think you nailed it. I mean, thanks for having me
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again. It's great to be here.
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It's good to hear you guys talk about Catherine Wheel.
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Yeah, I don't know. It's like this band is not
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really my jam, but I've been kind of taking a risk and like
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saying yes to bands on Deprogram that I haven't, that I have an
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interest in, that there's something there that's kind of
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intriguing for me. And I guess that's what I would
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say about this band. I think it's like this, like I
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mean this to sound like a Dick or something, right?
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But I think that the different like when you guys talk about
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like My Bloody Valentine or like like a lot of the a lot of bands
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that I gravitate more toward are really kind of like fucked up
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kids who are weird. And I don't know, they're like a
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gang or something. And they like this is the only
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thing they could do. And Catherine Wheel kind of
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feels like more like pro than that.
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Like they're really fucking good, like musicians.
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And I don't think they were necessarily like, you know,
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growing up in like tenement housing and shit or whatever.
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They're just more, I don't know, they're more professional or
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something. And like they have some elements
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to them that are not, definitely not my thing.
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Like I'm not in the metal at all or anything.
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I really liked one of their singles in 91 when it first came
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out and and I still really like it.
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And so that was really kind of the hook for me.
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This was fun. They they reminded me of a lot
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of bands that I like. Like you could definitely hear
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ride in a lot of their music. Like I even think you can hear
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some like Julian Cope, like from the Teardrop Explodes.
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They, there's some stuff that it gets into like Bush a little
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bit. They a lot of their stuff sounds
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like a modern Pink Floyd, you know, like even his voice and
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some of their instrumental passages are like, wow, that's
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like a new interpretation of Floyd.
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I think that you could really see when I started listening to
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them, I'm like, oh, I get it. Like these are some this is some
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people's like favorite bands. I'm sure there are people who
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have a friend that won't shut the fuck up about the Catherine
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wheel. You know, like they're totally
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into them because all the ingredients are there.
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They're kind of like it kind of like missed their shot or or or
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weren't totally understood. So there's somebody's secret,
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you know, like I have this like best band that like nobody gets
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and that's always really fun, right?
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I have those two. He like he he's a great
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lyricist. Definitely the singer has a lot
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of charisma. They're kind of shifting across
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genres like we talked about, right?
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Like are they a metal band? Are they a shoe gaze band?
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Are they an alt rock band? Like so they really had no home.
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They didn't really land with like a like a group of people.
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Probably that was like dedicated to like grunge or something,
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right. Like it kind of mix a lot of
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stuff. I think that that Talk talk
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Connection, Frank, that you mentioned is so weird and
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interesting. Like I don't know if if for the
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people that know who that band is, like that's a fucking weird
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band. They're like a new wave Prague
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band, you know? Yeah.
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Went out there and I think they used their producer right?
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Didn't Catherine Will got got talk talk's?
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Producer or Yep, they did, yeah. Yeah, it's not like they're like
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they're like, I don't know, whatever we want to get like
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Oasis's producer, you know, it's like fucking we want Talk Talk's
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producer. That's a weird move.
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And to be obsessed with that band means that you're
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definitely like, I don't know, esoteric and smart and strange
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along with being commercial, right, Because it's that's what
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I'm saying. It's a they're a weird mix.
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Like they are a commercial band, but their ingredients were too
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weird to make it. I think you know.
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There's a Pink Floyd connection for sure, because you know
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Thorgenson who did or part of hypnosis, if you're familiar
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with Hypnosis. Yeah, they they did the album
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art for Catherine Wheel. Right, that's.
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Right. And and then Bob Ezrin came in
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and he oversaw Adam and Eve, I believe.
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Yeah, dude. So there's that connection as
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well. So I had fun.
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This was fun. Like I had no, I have no skin in
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the game. I just like really had a good
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time with this. So hilariously, this is I mean,
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I don't know, I I say hilariously, but I feel like the
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note crossed deprogrammed specifically like the last three
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years. This is a band I'd never heard
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of. Like I I hadn't even heard the
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name kind of in passing until I can't remember if it was the
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Machina episodes of the punk cast or but you played clips and
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you were comparing Catherine. I may have been a door, but like
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you played clips of Catherine wheel.
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You said you and Pat were talking about it and you kicked
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to the Catherine. I was like, whoa, what's that?
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And I mean, I never I never did the dive because at that time I
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was still doing deprogrammed. I never do the dive unless it's
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for the show. Almost almost never.
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I mean, it's the perfect excuse to do it.
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But like this is another band though.
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I mean, again, you're talking about them and comparing them on
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your Smashing Pumpkins podcast. Like it seems like a band that
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that kind of should have made-up my DNA, my musical DNA.
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Like it it it, it's a band like like hum that should have been
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there from the beginning. Like when you when you think
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about the way they sound, this should have been a band I was
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probably I should have been into already.
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So like the fact that we're doing this, you know, it, it
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kind of bears out that way, but now I'm going to kick it to the
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next level because I, I think that's where it's going to get
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interesting. Frank, like this being your
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second time around, like when you're going to put together 20
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for this, We've already kind of talked about them being kind of
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all over the map. Like is there something you're
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leaning more towards? Is there an album you're leaning
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more towards? Like when you put, what are you
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considering when you're putting your 20 together?
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Yeah, this, this was very difficult for me, Extremely
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difficult. Being a huge fan of all the
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albums, there's not one I think is a weak one, in my opinion.
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I mean, there's some I like better than the others, but I,
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I, I approached it this time from, I mean, it was very
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tempting to do the ones that I are like my favorite top 20.
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But what I was considering is the whole, you know, thesis of
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the show, right? Of just being like, oh, how do
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you get people into the band and also give them a nice sampler of
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being like here's the variety that you have of their
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discography that you can kind of pick and choose and taste and
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see if you like it overall, you know, and the songs that I
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picked from each album were to kind of give the overview of
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like this is kind of what the album, the standouts from the
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album are that will get you into the other tracks.
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Perhaps because there's stuff that I left off that I was like,
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oh, I really want to include this.
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But I was thinking more about the fact that, like, if I were
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to give this mix to somebody, these 20 songs, this might help
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give them a solid idea of the band, the band sound and the
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variety. So Peter, you're working on like
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several at the moment when when it comes to like Catherine
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Wheel, again, like kind of some of the other ones we're doing
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are, I don't want to say easier, but like probably at least
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easier comparatively. Like when you're looking at
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Catherine Wheel, like what is it that you're hoping to bring to
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the table today? When I did my first pass, I was
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leaning a lot towards the first two albums because those were
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the 2 that I was most familiar with and that I've lived with
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more. But when I started making my
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cuts down to 20, I was like, all right, I got to get some stuff
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from the other three albums because these guys evolve.
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And I feel, I feel like that needs to be represented.
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And and these songs, these, these are songs that I just love
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and they're great. And I think that anybody who's
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into this kind of music would like this.
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I mean, sometimes it's that simple.
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Gavin, you said you had a lot of fun with this and you had no
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skin in the game. Did that did that make the song
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selection just that much easier? Yeah, yeah, there was something
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jumped out to me. I really liked more I I
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definitely would say that I skewed away from the more metal
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or like big riffy stuff. So like the third album, you
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know, wasn't really my thing, but I was more drawn to like
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their ambient pretty stuff or they're really strange pop songs
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that they wrote. The Chrome.
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The second album was the was the one for me.
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Like that's the that was my June.
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Interestingly, normally I, I take the approach that that
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Frank was talking about where I tried, I try to really keep the
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the idea of the show in mind where I'm really trying to point
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to somebody towards this is the band, like this is how you can
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get in. But as somebody who was who my I
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was, I was trying to get into the band.
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I found myself and this is how, you know, they got to me.
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I found myself leaning towards my own personal preferences
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versus even asking that question.
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I mean, there are times where you know, the, the I, I had to
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use the question to like, do you know, song A versus song B.
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But like, hilariously, you know the 'cause this will, this will
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definitely influence the next round of conversation.
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I loved the third record. I mean, like that that record
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really, really sounds like Justin, like it like from Jump.
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But I also almost equally loved Chrome as well.
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Like I love the shit out of those, those second two records.
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Like I really was like, well, fuck, I'm going to have trouble
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with this. I can't remember what the
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official number was, but I remember just hating life as as
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as I'm making cuts. Like actually I even said that
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in the chat when I got to the third record being like fuck
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this third record. And I think Frank thought I was
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saying it's bad. I was like, OK.
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I was like, no, no, no, no, this is this is making it way more
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difficult for me. But I mean, I got to a point
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where like, I just was like, OK, I just got to get it down to 20,
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whatever it is, whatever it is. And I think I made some
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controversial cuts. We'll cross that bridge when we
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get there. I I have a defense and we'll
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talk about it if and or when we get there.
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But it seems like the math should work in our favor.
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But I don't know, Frank like it. It seems like we all kind of had
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very different roads to our 20. Like based on everything we've
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said. How many do you think we're
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going to get through unanimously?
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I guess 8 the. Hell yeah.
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Fuck yeah I love that. I hope you nail it.
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I really do. I this it.
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It doesn't feel out of the question that he nails this
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eight right Peter? Like it.
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It feels like there's 8 songs we could all agree on.
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I think so. I agree.
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I'm going to be a little bit more conservative and say 5
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because I've never done an episode with Frank.
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And for Gavin, this is a little bit out of his wheelhouse.
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So I don't really know. I don't really know.
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We're we're all going to land here.
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Yeah, that's true, 5's. So what do you think?
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There's plenty of space in between the 8 and the five here,
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Gavin. Yeah, I, my 6 was the number
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that came to mind. I, I think their, their songs
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are just going to stand out and, and I like, I think it could go
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either direction. I'm usually more optimistic, but
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I'm going to go 6. Well then, well now I don't know
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what to do because Frank took the answer that I would, I would
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do to like avoid the responsibility of having to pick
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a final song with, with eight I, I don't think it's out of the
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realm. I feel like there's 8 songs that
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we could all just be like maybe they just we all heard heard
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them at the same time and all fell in line.
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I feel like 9 is too many sevens there.
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I'm going to take seven. I mean nice that that way we've
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got 5678 it. It feels like I'm not taking too
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crazy of a swing. So all right, we're going to
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take a quick pause and on the other side of this, we're going
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to play the game. It's a program, Jack.
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We'll be right back. And with that, the name of the
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game is Deprogram. The four of us have come through
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the Captain Wheel discography and plucked out 20 songs.
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They were now going to match together in an attempt to get a
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top ten sort of kit for you. In case you have never given
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given in, have never given the Captain Wheel the time of day.
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And I'm going to start a little different here.
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I'm going to start with the moment I knew I was in trouble.
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It's a song that has haunted me since the first time I've heard
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it in all the best ways possible.
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It's an answer I got a couple times when I asked the Internet.
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I'm hearing it in my head as I'm about to say it, so I know
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there's something to this. I'm going to start with Crank.
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Yeah, I've got it. Yep.
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Yeah. Alright, hell yeah, that makes
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sense. I again, I knew I was in trouble
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the second I heard that. And I think it I think it does
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like several things that we were talking about up the top.
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I think there is there is something weird about it, even
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though it is kind of traditionally catchy, right,
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Gavin? Yeah, it's A6 shoe gaze song.
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It's and it's sweet. It's in there, you know.
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Yeah, all right, let me go. Oh, hilariously.
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God, man, I need to get hilariously out of my fucking
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vocabulary. I've said it like 5 times
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tonight. Life's a joke, all right, Look,
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this. Yeah.
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OK, We agree. But all right, I'll think of
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other words the same next time. But crank, you are in.
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We got it, 1234. All right, Frank, where you want
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to start? I had sent you, by the way, I
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had sent you, the New York Bowery Ballroom was a 99 or 2000
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show that they did. And that performance of crank on
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there is exquisite. So look it up if you're
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listening to this. So I'm going to go ahead and get
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this one out of the way because why not?
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I'm going with Black Metallic, of course.
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Hell yeah. OK, I knew I was going to be.
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I knew I was going to be wrong here.
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Now listen, what I know, I know, I know.
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And it it was an answer that I got.
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This is where I was talking about.
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Instead of playing the game I went with with personal taste.
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I not that I didn't like Black Metallic, it was for sure on my
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first pass. It is the answer I got by far
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the most when I asked. Had I given myself a little bit
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more space before the show, I probably would have rethought it
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and try to figure out, you know, a way to get it in.
24:51
I'm wrong, I know this. It's the only song that I knew
24:57
by them coming into this and I heard it when it came out in 91
25:01
and, and I I just think it's a fantastic single from the early
25:05
90s. It's so good.
25:06
It still stands up. You know it takes you somewhere.
25:10
I think my biggest no go ahead, Peter I.
25:14
Was just going to say that's the one that I saw on 120 minutes.
25:17
So yeah. I, yeah, I, I, I had a lot from
25:23
ferment on my first pass. And again, when I, when I say I,
25:29
I locked in on, I locked in on them on Chrome.
25:33
So like that will kind of inform you guys where I am.
25:40
So I but I also understand I'm wrong here.
25:43
It's a three like that that should get an easy pass once we
25:47
get to that portion of the show. I get it.
25:49
I'm wrong. I'm not saying.
25:50
It's your show. All.
25:54
Right, Peter, where you want to go?
25:57
I had in my notes that this song reminded me of, like a more
26:01
upbeat Smith song. I'm going to go with Show Me
26:05
Mary. Yeah, that's a good call.
26:09
Yeah, 2. I don't have that one, but that
26:14
one was an answer I got and it is one that was not even on my
26:19
radar. I don't know how, but not even
26:21
on my radar. So.
26:22
We will. That might be.
26:23
I think that that song has their most kind of pop, like the most
26:27
pop element in, you know, so. Yeah, yeah.
26:30
It was a hit for them too, yeah. See, I guess I should have
26:36
played the game a little because here I am being being the man,
26:42
odd man out on two straight. Oh, God.
26:46
All right, Gavin, let me break, break some more.
26:51
I'm going to stay on Chrome. I took broken head.
26:55
I don't have that one. Oh, I don't have it, but it's.
26:59
Oh, it's such a good one, Yeah. I had it on 1st pass but it
27:04
didn't make it. I'll get it.
27:06
That's in my 30 I think. Bid.
27:10
All right, all right. I've, I've already alluded to
27:19
this and ultimately This is why I didn't have Black metallic.
27:25
How about I want to touch you? Yeah.
27:30
No, sorry. Let me look at my list.
27:33
I, I it was on who? Who was 21?
27:36
OK. All right, so I should have went
27:38
the other way is what you're saying?
27:40
No, it's a great song, though. I mean, that was that's hard.
27:42
Yeah. I mean, most of ferment in
27:44
Chrome, I'm like I I would put all of them on there, but yeah.
27:47
It isn't, it isn't. I guess, you know, I, I guess
27:51
my, my point and it this will bear out with my, with my list
27:57
and I, I, I think it's important for me to say here is I feel
28:02
like if you start with Chrome, you, it's easy to go back to
28:06
ferment and get into ferment in, in my opinion as somebody who
28:10
just got into the band. Made some interesting.
28:14
Yeah, I I can see that, yeah. In my opinion, not that ferment
28:17
is not good, I just feel like Chrome hit more notes for me.
28:23
So, all right, I want to touch you with me, Frank.
28:31
All right, I'm going to go with eat my dust, you insensitive.
28:35
Fuck that. Was going to be my next pick.
28:41
I didn't take it. It's it's on them.
28:43
I, you know, look, man, you don't have to sell me.
28:47
I didn't have it, but you don't have to sell me on anything off
28:49
a happy days. Like I literally had the first
28:52
wreck that whole record on my first pass.
28:55
So nice. We'll take the two there and
28:59
then we'll we'll figure that out on the next round, Peter.
29:05
I'm going to stay on happy days and go with God inside my head.
29:08
Fuck yeah. Oh, I don't have it, but that's
29:12
that was in my 25, yeah. I don't have it.
29:15
That's a rocker. That's a good one.
29:16
So good. Yeah, I mean when when I say I
29:20
was in trouble because of prank. I hated this show when I heard
29:25
God inside my head. I want to quit right now, so all
29:32
right, we'll take it to you there, Gavin.
29:35
I took one that's kind of had that Floyd sound for me.
29:39
Even the lyrics or Floyd esque. I took broken nose off Adam and
29:43
Eve. Yeah, I got it.
29:48
I don't have it but I love it. All right.
29:50
We're living in in the 2 range. That's interesting to note.
29:55
Starting to worry about that 8 all.
30:00
Right, All right, we're back around to me, huh?
30:02
I'll stay on Adam and Eve with you.
30:04
How about ma Solituda? Solituda.
30:08
I got that A. No.
30:12
No, OK, that one's A2 as well. Boom.
30:16
Yeah, that was one of their singles that did somewhat well.
30:19
So I was like, OK, that makes sense for the show.
30:23
So I accidentally played the game there.
30:29
I mean, to be fair, that was that probably would have made it
30:32
without that side note. So all right, we'll take another
30:36
2, Frank. Let's see here, I'm going to go
30:42
back to Chrome and I'm going to choose the nude.
30:46
Fuck me so good no. I don't have it.
30:50
That's good song. I almost made it.
30:52
That was when I last cuts. I don't have it, I'm sorry.
30:56
That was one that I got in the answers and I almost wondered
31:01
because it was like if I had to guess like 2526, like one of
31:05
those last remaining cuts and I wanted to go back and make room
31:11
for it. I mean, even over black
31:13
metallic, even though I I probably should have done that,
31:16
but that's a different thing. All right, Peter.
31:23
I'm going to go back to ferment. How about Bill and Ben?
31:27
I got that. No.
31:30
No, we're living in the twos here.
31:34
Living. In the twos, that one is such a
31:37
good representation of the the sounds on that album.
31:40
I think it just kind of does a beautiful dance of all those
31:43
sounds. Yeah, I like how it kind of
31:47
accelerates at the end. Yeah, that's really cool.
31:51
Yeah, all. Right.
31:52
I'll point this out. I mean, at this point, between
31:57
the one we have in the two threes and the twos, we have
32:03
9:00. So at this point, the twos are
32:06
still alive. All right.
32:08
Yeah, Gavin. I'm going to take their final
32:12
song the Closer off Wishville. Did you guys take Creme Caramel?
32:18
Oh no. No.
32:20
No. It's a good that's a great
32:22
closer. I had a hard time.
32:26
Yeah, that's great. I, I don't want to say I had a
32:29
hard time with with Wishville because that makes it seem like
32:33
I didn't like it. But I think again, when I'm when
32:38
I was, I was just leaning towards my own personal instead
32:45
of really trying to bring somebody to the band.
32:48
I I I think, I think what you're seeing in my list is literally
32:52
my personal journey with this band.
32:55
Yeah. All right.
32:59
I don't know if this is necessarily like a sequel or if
33:03
this was because I love a song sequel or if this was just an
33:07
extension or just a companion piece.
33:10
But it does have a sequel name. How about Heal 2?
33:15
Now. Yeah, that was in my 30, but it
33:19
didn't make the top 20. No, I had the original.
33:22
I love it. Bend all right, that one was
33:26
actually one I got as an answer I'm I'm actually shocked I was
33:29
alone on it like I I. Thought maybe a bunch, yeah.
33:33
Thought I would have. Got one?
33:33
That's great. OK, all right.
33:35
He'll two goes to the bin, Frank.
33:39
I'm going to go a little outside here just because just like
33:43
Pumpkins and Oasis and certain bands of the 90s who have great
33:50
B sides and whatnot, I mean, there's a whole great B side
33:55
collection called like Cats and Dogs.
33:57
I'm not going to go with a track on that one, but I'm going to go
34:00
with Intravenous. Yes.
34:02
Yeah. Sorry.
34:07
That's the B side to Balloon. That's a great song, yeah.
34:11
It's so good, I'm kind of surprised it didn't make the
34:13
album, but it's one of my favorites.
34:16
Yeah, it should have made that album.
34:18
Well, what's what's always interesting is whenever like
34:20
we're the list is already basically together and then
34:24
somebody kind of goes, Hey, what about this song?
34:27
Like I'm always like, I always give it a listen because that
34:30
means it's it that it's kind of tipping somebody's hand.
34:35
I try not to let that influence me, but when I listen to it, I
34:39
was like, no, I like this a lot actually, you know, maybe
34:44
arguably better than most of the way I felt about from again,
34:48
that's that's not true. But like I was like, oh, no,
34:52
he's right. This should have been in the
34:53
conversation. This is going right on my list.
34:56
So that was a three. Yeah.
35:02
All right. Intravenous boom grabs A3 and
35:06
Peter. Going to stay with Chrome and
35:14
I'm going to pick Frick aw. Yeah, that was in my 25.
35:20
But no, it didn't make so good. Robert Fripp.
35:24
So cool. So good.
35:26
I can't save your friends. Sorry, Sorry.
35:30
That bums me out. Welcome back.
35:33
I'm responsible for that being. Yeah.
35:36
Welcome back to the show. It's nothing but that all the
35:38
time. All right, Gavin.
35:43
I took delicious off Adam and Eve.
35:45
Yeah, I. Got it.
35:46
Yes. Fuck, I'm the outlier.
35:49
I'm not, damn it. All right.
35:53
I mean, one thing we did, we got 3 firstly, but one thing we
35:58
didn't mention, you know in when we were talking about how many
36:03
we'd get through unanimously. This is actually rather common
36:06
for a four person panel is a lot of three.
36:09
So I was worried that we were going to live in that.
36:12
We'd be in a different territory if all we were getting was twos.
36:17
But the getting a lot of threes is rather common.
36:20
It's hard to get four people all on the same page.
36:25
All right, all right, might as well try it.
36:29
How about kill rhythm? I got it.
36:34
No, Yep. Hey, I'll take three there
36:36
though. I'll take another three there
36:38
though. What's that on?
36:41
Chrome. It's opening of Chrome.
36:44
Oh yeah, You know, I, I always have because I've been pegged as
36:51
I mean, it's true about me. I've been pegged as a track one
36:53
guy and I am, I am a track one guy.
36:56
But when it comes to the game, I always try to shy away from
36:59
that. But whenever it it's something I
37:03
can't ignore. And with this band, they're
37:06
changing every record or, you know, even if it's like just
37:10
incremental had to be done. Like you're you're showing me
37:16
what this album's going to be going forward.
37:18
I had to have it. So all right, Kill Rhythm grabs
37:23
A3 Frank. I'm going to show some love to
37:27
wish Phil here. I'm going to go with Lifeline.
37:31
Yeah, no. No.
37:35
We'll take a two there. Frank.
37:37
I'm with you. Found me.
37:40
All right, Peter. How about kill my soul?
37:50
Yeah, I don't have it, but I like it.
37:51
I got it. Take a 2 there.
37:56
Some of these twos might might get to hang around for for a
38:00
bit. Let me shift this up and then
38:02
we'll move over to Gavin. I took for dreaming off Adam and
38:08
Eve. I don't have it.
38:13
No. Sorry.
38:16
No. All right, shift this around
38:19
again and then let me give a count real quick because I feel
38:25
like I'm moving through my list here. 123-4567 No, we got a good
38:30
couple rounds left in US. How about let's trot out another
38:39
Chrome track? How about I confess?
38:43
No, got it. But I love it.
38:46
I confess that I don't have it. Bend OK.
38:52
Yep. All right, Frank.
38:56
From that same album, I'm going to go with Strange Fruit.
38:59
Yes. Oh I'm so glad that's AII.
39:03
Wish I would have kept it obviously to make it unanimous,
39:06
but that if I had to guess, 21, like maybe as late as 22.
39:13
Like it was one of the last ones to come off.
39:17
A good one. Damn, that bums me out that I'm
39:21
the one that that kept that from unanimous.
39:25
All right, Peter. I'm going to go with the song
39:34
that I'm feeling right now with these numbers.
39:37
Pain. I can't save you.
39:41
I I just caused you more pain. Yes.
39:44
Yeah, no pain, no gain. I'm assuming that means Gavin
39:52
can't save you either. What was the name of the song?
39:55
Pain. Yes.
39:59
Hey. Oh, there you go.
40:01
Well, we are wrong, hey. I'll take that too.
40:06
It's a 2, but it goes. That's a cool.
40:10
Yeah, it goes from being in the bin to hanging on to dear life.
40:16
OK. All right, Gavin.
40:18
OK I took an 8 minute B side off of like cats and dogs the show
40:23
me Mary B side from 93. Do you guys have girls stand
40:26
still? Oh, that was close, but no.
40:30
Dang. No, no.
40:32
I've got no, no, you know, I've no, I don't know where that
40:38
dropped off. I can't tell you.
40:40
I have no idea. I like to answer that question
40:44
but I cannot this. Time I.
40:47
Cannot this time. All right, let me try out
40:53
another Happy days track here. How about way down?
40:57
Yes, I got it. No.
41:00
No, no. Free video from Mark Pellington.
41:05
Well, Dang. Nice.
41:06
I found another one. We'll take a two and we'll move
41:11
on, Frank. Let me see what I got left here.
41:18
I'm going to go to like cats and dogs since I talked about B
41:21
sides so I'm going to go with saccharin, no.
41:25
No. No, that's a great song, Yeah.
41:29
That that does remind me of like laughingstock era talk talk.
41:34
That's definitely a talk talk. Yeah, all.
41:37
Right. Unfortunately, into the bin and
41:40
Peter. OK, I'm looking at this and I'm
41:44
actually kind of surprised we haven't gotten to this one yet.
41:47
Jude staring at the sun. We got Judy staring at the sun.
41:52
Yeah. I didn't take it.
41:54
Is that the Tonya Donnelly song? Yep.
41:57
Oh, I love her. I just saw Belly, but I
42:01
couldn't. I didn't make my list.
42:04
I don't know where it dropped out.
42:05
I mean, again, happy days. I had if not all of most of
42:13
apparently this one. I got a lot of answers for this
42:17
one. So again, this is 1.
42:18
I should have gone back and and found space for I just I just I
42:22
didn't want to do the work. I was lazy.
42:24
I'm sorry. All right, we'll take the two
42:29
there. These twos have a chance though.
42:32
Yeah. I mean, some of these twos are
42:34
going to make it, I think, unless we go on around here.
42:37
Let me give one last count, 123-4567.
42:41
Yeah, I think we got one round left in this and then we'll dump
42:43
out Gavin. I took the original to your
42:47
sequel, Justin. I took heel off Happy days.
42:50
I mean I don't have it but like. You know what?
42:53
I unfortunately don't have it. What?
42:55
I said before. But I feel like that is
42:58
essential, Catherine. I just didn't have it in my top
43:01
20. Yeah, that's, that's a bin,
43:04
Yeah. Damn, damn.
43:06
It. The nature of the show, like I,
43:11
you know, just sometimes really great tunes are going to go in
43:15
the bin and it it's like, man, I can't, I can't believe this is
43:19
happening. All right, shit, my last one.
43:29
How about Ursa Major Space Station?
43:32
I got that a. No.
43:36
I do. Hey, all right, we'll take a
43:38
three there. Now these these twos become
43:41
conversation it seems, because these threes are probably going
43:46
in. Yeah.
43:49
All right, Frank. Oh, which one do I want to?
43:55
Damn it, let's see, I guess I haven't gone to Adam and Eve
44:01
that much. I'm going to go with future Boy.
44:03
Fuck. Yeah.
44:06
I always love that response. I don't have it, but I I fucking
44:09
love a a good fuck, yeah. Good song.
44:12
That was one of my late cards. Yeah.
44:16
If that was a 2. That was a 2.
44:18
Yep. All right, Peter.
44:24
I'm going to stick with Adam and Eve.
44:28
How about satellite? Yeah.
44:30
I got it. That's a good one too.
44:33
I don't have it that. Was yeah, I don't have it
44:35
either, but that's a great one. That was that's in my 25 all.
44:42
Right, we'll take a 2. Adam and Eve is like, maybe I
44:45
don't know, their most consistent record.
44:47
Like every song in that record is good.
44:50
They're just not all great, you know what I mean?
44:52
That's how I feel about it. But anyway, that's a.
44:55
That's a bone. Yeah, the band, I think the band
44:58
has said that that's their favorite.
45:00
But yeah, I like it. I like it.
45:03
I just think the other albums are, maybe I'm going to piss
45:06
people off. See, I just think the other
45:08
albums have some more character to it or something.
45:10
I don't know. I love it still, Yeah.
45:13
It's always funny, you know, tiptoeing that line of because
45:17
it, it, it sounds like you're saying you don't like it as
45:20
much, but that isn't the case. It's.
45:22
Just. But it isn't even true.
45:23
Yeah, it's just so it's very difficult for me to talk bad
45:27
about this band. All right, Gavin.
45:35
I took Here comes the fat controller of Adam and Eve.
45:40
No. No.
45:43
No, but I love it. All right.
45:46
It's a great title. It is, yeah.
45:48
We have a lot of good of those, a lot of those.
45:50
All right, I'm. Going to that was in my
45:51
authority. Shift this around and then I'll
45:53
I'll run down and dump out my last ones here.
45:59
See if we can't pull one out. How about receive?
46:07
Not on mine. No.
46:09
OK, backwards guitar. No.
46:16
Oh, but I love it. That was on.
46:17
That was in my 30. Dang it.
46:20
All right, high heels. No.
46:24
Almost made it, but no I'm. Just realizing I had a lot from
46:27
like cats and dogs. I don't even remember it.
46:29
Like again, not that I disliked it, I I just don't remember it
46:33
sticking out this much. How about harder than I am, no?
46:40
No, but I love it. Clearly, I overthought the room
46:43
a little bit. And last but not least off the
46:49
Norfolk remasters, how about spin?
46:52
Oh, that was close. It almost made it.
46:54
No. No.
46:57
So not only did wow, I not put anything else back on the board,
47:01
I, I beamed every last one of them.
47:04
We're we're only going to get 13 unanimously, which means we got
47:08
a lot of room to play with. But before we get there, see if
47:11
you can't put a couple more here in the conversation, Frank.
47:15
Cool, I think I only have three more left here.
47:19
Texture. No.
47:22
I do, I got that one. That one was for the record,
47:26
like if it if it wasn't 20 like it was like 2526 like it was.
47:32
And it's one where I was listening to the to the playlist
47:35
beforehand, I was like, ah, fuck, I should have kept it
47:38
because it does the thing. I always try.
47:41
I always try to, you know, when album 1 track one does the
47:46
thing, I almost always try to bring it.
47:48
Again, this just goes to I went with personal taste versus
47:53
playing the game. It's what an amazing declaration
47:57
from a band's first album to be like.
47:59
Here we are, and here's what we sound like in just that
48:02
immediate this bombastic once everything breaks in.
48:05
Just gorgeous. It's gorgeous.
48:10
The other one I have, I have two more Phantom of the American
48:14
Mother. No.
48:17
Nope. And then sparks are going to
48:20
fly. No, I got that one.
48:25
Was like torn between that and gasoline, but that made it all
48:30
right. What did I do with my.
48:31
I think that's, I think that's it because we already said,
48:35
yeah, we said show me Mary, right?
48:37
Yeah. Yeah.
48:38
All right, so that grabs. It that's two everything.
48:43
Yeah, that's a 2. Let me shift that and then
48:47
Peter, what have you got left? All I have left is flower to
48:53
hide. No.
48:56
And half life. No.
49:00
Love both of those, but no. We bend.
49:02
We all bend the shit out of our last list.
49:07
Yeah, wow, Yeah. Well, no, but texture didn't get
49:11
bend, no. That's right.
49:12
It's not true. I'm not right?
49:15
And then, you know, just for posterity, Gavin, what do you
49:18
got left? Yeah, I took Indigo is Blue off
49:22
ferment. That was very.
49:23
Close. Good one.
49:24
Yeah, that's close too. I took my exhibition off Happy
49:28
Days, I took the untitled outros song from Adam and Eve, and I
49:38
took that crazy like 3 song run off of like cats and dogs with
49:44
something strange. Angelo Nero in Spirit of Radio.
49:48
Oh yeah. Oh wicked.
49:49
Dude, all three of those songs are so crazy.
49:51
But it's like one song on Spotify.
49:53
I was like, hell yeah. I'm not going to lie that I
49:56
mean, obviously I didn't keep it and obviously I considered it.
50:00
That is typically a song I would never even consider, but I'm I
50:05
rather enjoyed it. I just.
50:07
It was so good. It's so cool, yeah.
50:09
I've been to have my list. I have 10.
50:13
Man, I mean, it was a pretty rough go for all of us.
50:18
I, I want to point out a song that didn't come out.
50:20
I mean, I'm ultimately I guess glad I didn't keep it.
50:23
I had really tough time cutting balloon and it's.
50:28
Good. To hear nobody else had it
50:30
because that one would have hurt.
50:33
All right, so we only got the one through, which was crank.
50:36
So we got our work cut out for us.
50:38
Let me shift this around yet again and see what we got here
50:41
for threes. Oh really?
50:48
8 threes. No 7 threes and crank.
50:52
Got you. OK, so I mean, unless somebody
50:54
so the threes are Black Metallic, Show Me Mary
50:57
Intravenous, Delicious, Kill Rhythm, Strange Fruit and Ursa
51:02
Major Space Station. I mean, unless somebody really
51:08
wants to put the kibosh in any of those, I suggest we just take
51:12
all all of those and work on the twos to round it out.
51:17
Yeah. I'm cool.
51:19
I'm there for that. All right, because I mean again,
51:21
I was I know I was wrong on black metallic.
51:24
So like we for sure have to have that one.
51:27
But all right, let me fill this. Out if we didn't like, what are
51:31
we even doing here? It it just and it's like a band
51:36
like this with so many in the band is is kind of shows you.
51:40
I mean, we we touched a lot of songs, right.
51:42
I mean we all had a lot of right.
51:43
So it just is kind of a you could this silver lining.
51:47
I guess you could say it's a testament to how good the band
51:50
is that they, you know, there's a we had a wide swath.
51:54
Well, we it is a deep discography like and it goes to
51:58
show you like. So you were making the dive.
52:01
I was making the dive like I I nothing coming in, you know,
52:07
period, point blank nothing. So like I was able to again,
52:14
instead of taking the data of like looking at what the top 10
52:18
from spot, which I will generally do like just to kind
52:21
of balance it against my list just to see where I'm at.
52:24
Like how did I do? I didn't do that with this band
52:27
because I I went with personal feel like I went this is what
52:31
this is what would these are the songs that would make me listen
52:34
to this band again. So, yeah, it is always it, it's
52:38
deflating as it's happening because you're breaking so many
52:41
hearts. You're, you're, you're telling
52:43
people, Nah, not that one, but like at the same time, to your
52:49
point, let's see, 46 we, we literally covered half of their
52:53
discography in this conversation today.
52:56
So, you know, it's, it's just a testament.
52:59
It's, it's a really deep band. All right, let me look at these
53:03
twos and I'll I'll ask you if they're wow we got a lot.
53:09
I want to touch you eat my dust, you insensitive fuck, which was
53:13
really close for me got inside my head broken nose Ma salatuda
53:17
Bill and Ben kill my soul lifeline pain way down Judy
53:23
staring at the sun satellite future boy texture sparks are
53:28
going to fly. Is there one that's really like
53:30
kind of jumping out at you, Frank?
53:32
That was like man, I can't believe not only did it not get
53:35
in, it only got a 2. Oh I already forgot the list
53:43
because I was like thinking there was a wait.
53:47
What were those first five all? Right, so I want to touch you.
53:50
Eat my dusty, you insensitive fuck.
53:52
God, inside my head, broken nose and Masolituda.
53:59
I think we said Bill and Ben, right?
54:03
Yes, Bill and Ben is like. Feel like that or somebody else
54:15
go but I think for me Bill and Ben is up there or some major
54:21
all. Right.
54:22
What do you think, Peter? Is there ones that are kind of
54:24
really jumping out of you? I'm looking at eat my eat my
54:29
dust you and sensitive fuck. I mean, it's fun to say yeah, if
54:35
nothing else like the name rules.
54:39
Got to have an 8 minute song on there.
54:41
What I love too, is that it's so like, chill, you know, when you
54:45
read that, that title, you're like, oh, I can't wait to get my
54:48
ass rocked. And then you listen to you're
54:50
like, oh cool, yeah, you might dust you insensitive fuck.
54:56
What do you think, Gavin? I'm looking at like, so I would
55:02
defer in this conversation definitely to the Peter and
55:09
Frank as the I'm, you know, I'm just kind of a tourist here, but
55:14
I just looked at the count Justin.
55:16
So we have one off ferment. We have one off Adam and Eve A5
55:23
off Chrome and we have AB side, which really you could throw in
55:28
the ferment camp, I guess, because it's this time period,
55:32
right? So we don't have anything off
55:33
happy days, Wishville and cats and dogs.
55:36
We didn't have anything off, but that's a an odds and ends comp.
55:40
So eat My dust is off happy days.
55:42
So if you guys took that, I don't, I don't know if you guys
55:44
care about album representation. Sorry, I should have said that
55:47
right off the bat. But if we're trying to kind of
55:49
like give some love to all the records, Eat My Dust would check
55:54
the Happy Days box and Bill and Ben is off, right?
56:03
Yeah. OK.
56:04
So I mean, I'd be down with Happy Days, Eat My Dust, just so
56:09
we're kind of covering all the records.
56:10
Well, let let me ask you, Frank, like, I mean, do you think the
56:14
album representation is important?
56:16
Because we, we did talk a lot about like how the band evolves.
56:20
Yeah, I do think it's important because I think we should be at
56:23
least one from each, you know, just to kind of represent, get
56:27
that representation there. So yeah, all.
56:32
Right, so let's take Eat My Dust because it it checks our happy
56:36
days box, right? Boom and boom.
56:43
All right, So what else isn't covered?
56:46
So let's see, we got. Something we.
56:48
Have something else from what? Yeah, Wishville.
56:50
Wishville so which sparks are going to fly and Lifeline are
56:59
the. Two lifeline, didn't we say also
57:01
I don't know that was. That's it.
57:07
I like Sparks are going to fly better than Lifeline, but that
57:10
that's just my $0.02. Sparks are going to fly rules.
57:18
Yeah. All right, well, so let's do
57:22
that. Let's grab Sparks are going to
57:23
fly, and then let's retalk, retalk about these threes
57:30
because it sounds like there's some hesitation here, Frank,
57:34
because you had offered up Bill and Ben.
57:37
Is there one of those original threes that you think Bill and
57:43
Ben? No, no.
57:44
OK. No, yeah, I think it's.
57:46
I think it's. That works.
57:48
OK, so let me shift this and I think we got our 10.
57:51
If we're grabbing sparks are going to fly.
57:55
Let me make sure here yes, 10. All right, I'm going to run this
58:00
down. I mean we.
58:01
What did we get from like cats and dogs?
58:04
Nothing. Nothing.
58:06
OK, got it. OK, well I guess since it's AB
58:09
Sides album it's not the end of the world.
58:11
Again, I mean we have 5 through from Chrome I mean.
58:16
That's so representative. Yeah.
58:18
So yeah, that works. OK, alright.
58:20
I mean, I was going to say like we can, we can, we can pull one
58:25
of the ones from Chrome, but then you're having a
58:27
conversation of what the what doesn't belong so.
58:31
Yeah, no, I'm, I'm good. All right, let's read this down
58:36
and then I'll crank up the heat a little bit more.
58:38
Hilarious that I use that word. Hilarious that I used Hilarious
58:42
again. All right, crank black metallic
58:45
show me merry intravenous, delicious kill rhythm, strange
58:49
fruit or some major space station.
58:51
Eat my dust. You and said instead of fuck and
58:53
sparks are going to fly. All right, bait.
58:56
You know, if I read that 10 to you, Frank, which one of those
59:02
songs would be the one song that you would give to somebody to
59:06
represent Catherine Wheel? Metallic.
59:10
OK, what do you think, Peter? Yeah, easily a black metallic.
59:16
All right, Gavin. Agreed, I think it's our Best
59:19
Song all. Right, I for the record, I I
59:25
again, I was wrong and I should have had it on my list that we
59:29
should have had to I. I well that that wasn't your
59:32
entry point, so you have a different perspective there.
59:35
Right, and also like I would I would OfferUp crank because it
59:39
it crank was the point where I locked in.
59:42
So, but I'm, look, I, I think more people probably have that
59:50
entry point that they didn't realize that they had.
59:53
I people have probably heard black metallic and kind of just
59:57
need to revisit it. So yeah, let's go with that
1:00:01
number one. Yeah, I've in my experience,
1:00:05
like as I love crank is like in my top five.
1:00:07
It's probably my note, the second favorite.
1:00:11
But every time I've tried to get people into the band, you know,
1:00:14
and I've been like, oh, how about this song?
1:00:16
How about this song? They everybody gravitates
1:00:18
towards black metallic and then some people won't dig crank,
1:00:22
surprisingly, but it seems like across the board, even if they
1:00:25
don't even like shoe gaze or rock music, they're like, oh,
1:00:28
that's that's amazing. That sounds great you.
1:00:31
Know yeah it's almost a dream pop song you know it's like.
1:00:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's yeah, like, yeah, everybody
1:00:39
likes that song. I'll get it going underneath us.
1:00:42
I'll run this list down one last time and we will close up shop
1:00:45
here. Black Metallic is going to be
1:00:48
our number one crank. Show me Maria Mary, I can read
1:00:52
intravenous, Delicious, kill rhythm, strange fruit, or some
1:00:55
major space station. Eat my dust, you insensitive
1:00:57
fuck. Sparks are going to fly is the
1:01:01
number 10. And with that, let's let Black
1:01:04
Metallic get a moment in the sun.
1:01:15
Yeah, No, you guys are right. You guys are definitely right.
1:01:22
I like, I like when I'm wrong in the very last second.
1:01:26
I mean, Crank made our list. It's but Black Metallic is
1:01:30
definitely the one. All right, we have done it.
1:01:31
We have turned you into Catherine Field Wheel fans
1:01:34
again. I can talk.
1:01:35
I do this all the time. You're very welcome.
1:01:40
You're very welcome for that. By the way.
1:01:42
Also, I did find out that the Catherine Wheel was both I guess
1:01:45
a medieval torture thing and also fireworks or something.
1:01:49
So in case any of you who wants, wants to know what those mean,
1:01:54
more information like that on the conversation we're about to
1:01:56
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1:01:59
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