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Over the course of the last couple decades, as
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paranormal television has really boomed, and
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then, as we said in the first episode, started
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dying, even in his death, it's still independently
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being produced on the internet, on streaming
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services like Paraflix. Point being, it's still
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very much a visual medium, still, even if it's
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not on TV. And with that... There comes a lot
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of questions on how to visually showcase and
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present the stories, the experiences, the paranormal
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aspects that so many people turn on these shows
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to watch. Something that's been kind of common
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across the board. and is controversial across
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the board not just in the paranormal genre but
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in documentary filmmaking reality television
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etc as a whole are the use of reenactments and
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that's been something a lot of people have relied
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on in paranormal tv on youtube to set up some
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paranormal experiences to you know kind of get
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some b -roll and fill in the gaps to really utilize
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all that the visual aspects of visual storytelling
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can really do that separates it from something
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like a podcast or a radio show. You know, you
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can reenact experiences, history, even the very
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ghost you're speaking to. So today we're going
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to break down reenactments. Welcome to our podcast
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where we take deep dives looking at various topics
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through a paranormal lens. I know in the past,
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even just anecdotally, um, there was a story
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at a haunted location we were filming at about
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this door that kept opening up on its own. So
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I set up a B roll shot. Um, that was fairly obvious.
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Like it was like a close up and like you couldn't
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see the whole door and i just kind of like pushed
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the door slowly to get that good shot of like
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it kind of opening up to reveal the room and
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the good creaking of the door to kind of overlay
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when they said the door always opens and it kind
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of cuts to that there was a concern by someone
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present that they they thought that showing that
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clip uh might kind of diminish the paranormal
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aspect and kind of um play into or kind of not
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play into but kind of negate some of the authenticity
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and genuine aspects of our later investigation
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because it shows us faking the door opening so
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what would that mean if later in the night we
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genuinely capture the door opening so i So are
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you saying, like, what is our, like, what's the
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impact of us purposely opening the door for a...
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I mean, that's just one anecdote. That's just
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one anecdotal, you know, story I had. But, like,
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I don't get it. Like, you're saying, like, what's
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the impact of it, of you opening the shop? That
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means someone's concerned would be us just walking
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around. Us just... Like we're faking evidence
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or something. Putting it off our phone. Like,
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I feel like that. like i just i plainly don't
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get it what's the difference of opening the door
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compared to like sitting up sitting down holding
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your phone um because it's from from the perspective
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of you know and this is a common i mean there's
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many aspects of reenactments i think we can and
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probably will get into um that people have raised
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questions about but it is you know let's say
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two uh there have been uh incidents where i reenact
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a shot where someone says they see a shadow so
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i walk past and cast a shadow to overlay there
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and i remove myself from the video it is fairly
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obvious that this is intended to be a reenactment
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to visually demonstrate but there are some concerns
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from purists so to speak um purists yeah like
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people who watch your stuff type of thing People
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are very pure. Everything needs to be straight
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from the camera. Everything needs to be authentic,
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real material, not reenactments. There's this
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layer, and one can argue that there's this layer
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of distrust or disingenuine, not trickery. I
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mean, perhaps visual trickery, like in visual
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effects, but there's a deceptive nature to...
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Showing a bunch of reenactments. Of you reenacting.
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Paranormal activity. And then you have to. Then.
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Just assume. That the audience trusts. That as
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soon as you shift into investigation mode. That
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authenticity. Is actually being portrayed. It's
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really difficult these days. To you know. I never
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thought of it that way. I guess. Because we've.
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there have been so many paranormal shows that
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do those sorts of things i feel like that's become
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the norm and i like it's never crossed my mind
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that there would actually be people out there
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who would think that way and be like oh well
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if they faked this earlier for b -roll who's
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to say that they aren't faking it for the real
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investigation like but i don't understand why
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people would think that because people who do
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do those reenactments or whatever just for their
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film or video or whatever that's a creative thing
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yeah like exactly more entertaining and interactive
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gives a better visual like your goal like for
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our goal is to more creative type of create a
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storyline creative story creative outlook good
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visuals whatever We want the story. So we're
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going to naturally do those reenactments, you
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know? And that's what we do. So I don't understand
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why people would have an issue with that when
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that's what some people's style is. I feel like
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the thing is that it's kind of like one of those
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Oh. um i know it's fake but what if there's some
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people who don't know it's fake like you you
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know that sort of thing like there's people who
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are playing devil's advocate when there's nobody
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to play devil's advocate for everyone knows it's
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a reenactment but you're gonna get those people
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who are like What if someone doesn't get a reenactment?
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What if they think that's real and everything
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that you're doing is real? Basically, that means
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those people are plain stupid. I don't know what
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else to say. Historically, you used to have to
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put reenactment in the bottom corner of the screen.
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People moved away from that. I'm not saying that's
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how I feel. I fully am in the camp of... You
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know, I always think story takes precedent and
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I would rather not have something on camera,
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but have a real story to share and do whatever
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it takes to get that story out. Yeah, because,
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well, when you think about it, too, I mean, yes,
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there is always the potential that, oh, we're
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going to. like we'll catch the door moving or
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oh we'll catch a shadow but the likelihood that
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that is actually going to happen on our investigations
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like it is actually so rare to catch like visual
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evidence so to have that concern that we're doing
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b -roll that people could think is Like, us trying
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to actually fake real evidence is kind of, like...
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You know, like, out of our realm, because...
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Or not even out of our realm, but, like, it's
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so low of a chance that that isn't actually going
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to occur. And that's also, like, why we would
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do B -roll. Because if we do say, catch the door
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closing, we're just going to use that video of
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it closing. I mean, we don't really catch evidence.
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I mean, really, if you think about it, like there's
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nothing to even fake because like we don't catch
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stuff. None of the stuff we do relies on evidence.
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It relies on a story. Yeah. And I really don't
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think when we're making films. Are we what's
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the goal? Is it to tell a story or to prove ghosts?
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Because nothing we do. especially as packaged
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and presented, is proving a ghost. Yeah, true.
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A lot of the stuff that we do is not like the
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typical Ghost Hunter TV shows where we're going
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to a specific location, it's a lockdown for a
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whole night, and we're collecting evidence. All
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of the stuff that we do is documentaries looking
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at further beyond just the investigation. Yeah,
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we like to try to find, we like to look at the
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bigger picture yeah you know it's like we might
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go to a location and we might film part of it
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but we're not going to make a whole video just
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on that location but there may come a day where
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we use those that those clips or videos from
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that specific location to add to a bigger story
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of ours exactly yeah so so long as the hard drive
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doesn't die like that's a lot for the possession
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tape we used a bunch of different clips and videos
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from yeah that was i mean that was eight years
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of collected different clips from different locations
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um but yeah so i guess we're kind of getting
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yeah no i mean the track now but that kind of
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goes in what i was like saying about the accumulation
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like i don't think any one investigation ever
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is gonna like like if the door did open to go
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back to that one door opening one time doesn't
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prove anything so like yeah i mean maybe semantics
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but that's calling it evidence that's not evidence
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of anything it's just evidence of a door opening
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it's the accumulation right so like if that door
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did open that would be part of the story not
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part of i mean it would be kind of logged but
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like it's not evidence of anything but anyways
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i think it comes this argument when it comes
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to reenactments comes down to building trust
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and um there's people take for granted i think
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with the paranormal um there is you're asking
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a lot of the audience to believe especially when
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you because that's difficult when we kind of
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integrate some more woo -woo and esoteric stuff
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that's not so mainstream i feel like the paranormal
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a lot of it is very trendy and the reason some
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people are able to get away with not explaining
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anything like picture like all the new variations
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of the rempods and the new spirit bells and all
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this stuff they don't explain what any of these
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stuff are is this they're sam and colby people
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just assume that they're authentic but then if
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You're someone that has no following and you're
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super legit and super genuine, but you just say,
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I built this thing. No one cares. If people don't
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see it on Sam and Colby, they don't trust. They
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don't trust it. People take for granted how difficult
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it is to not build an audience because you can
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get a bunch of views easy, but to build trust
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and for people to trust that everything you're
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putting out is as you say it is. yeah yeah i
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mean that's gonna be up to people there's gonna
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be people who don't trust you there's gonna be
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people who don't like you and they're gonna say
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no matter what oh they're faking this thing these
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things but i mean that's just how it is you just
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you gotta put your trust in people and hope that
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people believe what we actually do is genuine
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you know yeah And there's nothing else more we
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can do about it, you know? For me, it comes back
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to, because this is common for, like, documentaries
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as a whole, not just paranormal. Like, people
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question the ethics of, like, if you don't get
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it on camera, can you reenact it or, like, retrace
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your footsteps? And it's just like, eh, the camera
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people are intervening. That's not what documentaries
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should be. But the true definition of a documentary,
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as it's taught, you know, I have a degree in
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documentary filmmaking. It's taught to be the...
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artistic representation of reality. So already
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being there with a camera and a crew is going
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to affect reality. People act differently in
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front of cameras. We all know that. It's hard
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to catch the real reality of things when you
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have a camera. So it's already a literal paranormal
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lens that you're putting. to name drop a particular
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podcast that I have a love -hate relationship
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with. I've never listened to it. I should check
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it out sometime. Oh, you love it. Check out episode
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16. But anyways, you're already with a camera
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filtering through a lens and you are using a
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lot of hindsight, which is another thing people...
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Love to do in the paranormal hindsight bias.
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When you're crafting a story, there's a lot of
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hindsight. There's a lot of cherry picking moments
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to show a representation of the truth. It is
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the truth, but it's still a representation of
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the truth. And I tend to lean more in the camp
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of if you're already this far removed from reality
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and it's a representation of reality, it's an
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honest representation of reality. it it speaks
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to the truth and it represents the truth but
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nothing a documentary ever will portray is the
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full unanimous objective reality as it stands
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or was before you came there to make it so lean
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into the artfulness of it too because it should
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be artful it should be entertaining so long as
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it speaks to the reality of the situation and
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if the reality of the situation is that door
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opens you can film it opening in whatever way
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you want because that speaks to the reality of
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the situation that's just my two cents yeah yeah
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now another thing in the paranormal is and brie
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you kind of mentioned this too that like horror
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movies when they film they say a lot happens
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yeah let's say there are ghosts let's just suspend
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disbelief and assume there are intelligent hauntings
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i mean we all know how we feel about intelligent
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hauntings so maybe it's just me that needs to
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suspend disbelief here but let's say there's
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a ghost that's aware of its surroundings and
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it was a uh mike that got shot in the head and
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bled out to death And you want to do a reenactment
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of Mike. You found his old photo. You get a guy
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that looks just like him. And you film him bleeding
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out. You know, all fake, of course. Bleeding
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out on the floor, screaming in agony for an hour.
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How might Mike, the real ghost, feel seeing people
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coming in, reenacting his death right in front
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of him? And he's saying, no! And no one's hearing.
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real mike yeah i um i when you you brought up
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the topic that it was what i was originally thinking
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about we what we were going to talk about and
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it's it is a really interesting concept that
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i think one if you're doing reenactments in that
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same space enacting it out and then following
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it up with an investigation there is that strong
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potential that it could can stir up activity
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but also at the same time on the other hand it's
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like a double -edged sword because is that disrespectful
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to those spirits like having to watch a reenactment
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of their death or a terrible time in their life
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or whatever it is that happened um and i know
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i've seen it done on like shows and movies and
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whatever not like in a mainstream cinema or media
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where they're creating a movie or a tv show based
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on the event i feel like that's different because
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they don't usually do those kinds of recordings
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on location it's on set it's in a different place
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but with that it probably stirs up some sort
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of energy in that in that interest yeah well
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no no not necessarily like spiritual energy oh
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i was i'm for my mind i know what you mean but
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my mind went towards like you know the new like
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ed gein show or whatever everyone another callback
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to a previous episode everyone's like on their
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spirit boxes on tiktok trying to talk to ed gein's
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ghost because it's like trendy so maybe if like
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his ghost was like hibernating or whatever like
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public interest even if it wasn't shot on location
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yeah i don't know um back to what i was saying
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because i was talking about cinema on not on
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location but on set i feel like that's a lot
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different from doing it on location because like
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that is the potential that there is that if we're
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believing in intelligent hauntings and that person
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or individual is there, is watching that reenactment.
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And I feel like, say, it's you rewatching the
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worst day of your life. Like, how would you feel
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after that? Well, what I'm wondering is, you
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ever hear of... um people's real life um stories
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about when they die then they get the glimpse
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of like afterlife or whatever they see their
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bodies from above and like almost every single
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person who has experienced something like that
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say that they don't care about their body anymore
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nothing about um what their life was doesn't
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matter to them anymore nothing else matters except
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for you like nothing nothing about what they
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have lived matters so if that's like the case
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and they see someone reenacting what their death
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was i wonder if they would really care you know
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if that if that is true how people describe it
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saying like they don't care about their body
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they don't care about what happens to their bodies
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they don't care um about anything that has happened
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to them during their lifetimes would they really
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care about someone reenacting their death you
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know then why why would they talk to a 20 year
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old ghost hunter asking them about their life
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100 years later but that also goes into okay
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well if there is like a ghost and they're still
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stuck on earth or whatever or not fully into
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the afterlife or whatever then maybe that's a
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whole different yeah it's a kind of i was just
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You know thinking out loud about. It's a can
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of wham. Can of wham about intelligent hauntings.
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You know. Don't sound so intelligent. Of an idea
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now. That I'm poking more holes. Into the intelligent
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hauntings. But anyways. Another thing I was thinking
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of. Like just now. Is could. Doing a reenactment.
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Stir up activity. Just on the basis of. Like
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it sets your intentions. And like if you know.
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the history so well enough to execute like a
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full -on spot on re reenactment like you're in
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the perfect headspace to investigate because
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you know the history so well that you literally
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recreated and were able to like reconstruct right
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down to like the exact you know spot on the floor
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where the person died and period dress and everything
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it's like I feel like when it comes to reenactment,
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if you're doing that sort of reenactment where
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you were doing it to the time, to the day, whatever
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exact positions, recreating the exact moment,
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whether you're doing it for B -roll or you're
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doing it for trying to stir up activity, I think
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that is more of a tool to try to investigate.
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residual energy because you were recreating that
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moment in time and we're inherently putting this
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energy out there of creating this moment where
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there was a lot of energy a lot of things happened
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someone died potentially and who's to say that
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isn't going to pull out or draw or shift that
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energy from that time frame And that is why you
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get an influx of activity after it. Potentially.
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I don't know. I don't think we've ever tried
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doing reenactments. Or if there's any evidence
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behind an influx of activity after reenactments.
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But that is the theory. Okay, wait, wait. I have
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an idea. Okay. I guess now we're going to hold
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this episode until after Remote Contact comes
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out, but what if we utilized the sights and sounds
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of locations we investigated on the anniversary
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of when we got the 360 captures of locations?
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Do we go back to the very minute and try to communicate
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with the ghosts that led us there? That's what's
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missing from the reenactments is the ambiance.
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You can get the period dress. You can make it
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look right, but it's not going to sound right.
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We have all this 5 .1 stereo. What if we even
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just pull that audio and blast it through the
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speakers? This is something I was trying to explain
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during some of the interviews. remote contact
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is when i did the the oculus session of the um
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residence chamber lauren gave me permission to
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do a 360 scan of her chamber and i later took
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it to other locations to go back in that specific
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residence chamber i amplified the white noise
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of madison seminary and it's hard to explain
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why it is but it is true White noise from Madison
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seminary sounds different than white noise from
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Simpson hospital. Let's say like, you can't really
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tell, but you can tell. So what if we like pull
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some of this data, even this five, one stereo
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white noise and blast it to really up the natural
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white noise, not just of the location as it is
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now, but this is how it was from a year ago or
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two years ago, three years ago to this very day.
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Putting us back a couple years to see what it
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sounded like then. And then we can rebuild and
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retrace. Oh, we were really in the, keeping with
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Madison Seminary, we were really in the zone.
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We filmed this at MadCon. We were talking with
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the ghost of Sarah. Let's tap back into that
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conversation. Yeah. Let's blast what it sounded
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like at that time. Let's wear the same clothes.
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Let's... If we can do this on a micro level,
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it might be able to prove on a macro level that,
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you know, we can go back and communicate with
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what we were talking to a year ago, two years
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ago, three years ago, to the exact minute. Who's
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to say that can't be extrapolated 100 years out?
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Yeah. Yeah, that would be interesting. I'm coming
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up with this on the spot, so it's not really,
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like, articulated well. This is how we brainstorm,
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ladies and gentlemen. This is what a typical
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brainstorming session sounds like. So you're
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eavesdropping. Yeah. Anyways, I derailed this.
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Anything? Yeah, good. I like it. Nothing wrong
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with a... I was going to say, there's nothing
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wrong with derailing a conversation, but I should
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not say that because we do go on tangents. I
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have nothing to do with the topic, but this kind
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of had to do with the topic. We used to just,
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you know, be more stream of conscious. You've
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really tried to focus the podcast these days
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on keeping within the paranormal lens. Yeah.
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Yeah. Hey, all the November fans, you might remember
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the old days. Maybe. Maybe. You never know. Thanks
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for being such great fans. If we have any. If
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we have any. We do. I don't know about that,
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but that'd be cool. We do. How many listeners
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do we have on our episodes? We have a good number.
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If you're listening and you want to boost Angela's
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morale, she doesn't think she has any fans, drop
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a comment that says, Hey, Angela, I'm your biggest
27:24
fan. And then you guys can duke it out in the
27:28
comments. Duke it up. Fight for her affection.
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I've been duking it out with people in Ben's
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comments on TikTok lately. Yeah, we get a lot
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of the sorry comments. I don't know if anyone
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on TikTok gets those where they're just like,
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sorry, and then Angela's just gone in and said,
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not sorry. It keeps her entertained, so I don't
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complain. Or there was someone who said, I rebuke
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all negative energy in the name of Jesus Christ.
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And I'm like, I'm not sorry. I claim all negative
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energy. I'm waiting for the day someone actually
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comments back on my... comment yeah i don't know
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it's it's wild that like nothing that you even
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post on tick tock is remotely like scary or uns
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i mean not really unsettling in any way it's
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they're just people who think anything paranormal
28:24
wise is evil you know it's just wild yeah people
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be cray cray sometimes talking about evil i this
28:36
this come this law it came up even i know no
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one would ever do this and realize unless someone's
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like a total psycho wacko sociopath where are
28:48
we going with this you'll you'll see you know
28:51
talking about reenactments yeah i wonder what
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kind of um like if you do a reenactment of someone
28:57
who got murdered at like a haunted place or whatever
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You go into the haunted place and actually kill
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someone. I wonder what kind of activity you would
29:06
get. Oh, Ben's gone. Ben left the chat. I knew
29:18
exactly where you were going. I knew exactly
29:22
where you were going with that as soon as you
29:25
finished what you were saying about like... I'm
29:31
so done with this fucking podcast, man. That
29:34
was... Nobody get any ideas. You were this close
29:40
to having a whole bunch of fans. This is what
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I'm saying. This will probably never happen because
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no one's ever going to do this experiment unless
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you're evil or you're a plain fucking psycho.
29:52
No one is ever going to figure out what kind
29:54
of activity or evidence someone could get by
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reenacting someone's murder by actually murdering
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someone the same way. Why do I live with you?
30:04
I'm so scared. It's not going to happen. It's
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just a thought. Just a thought. There wasn't
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anyone murdered in your guys' apartment previously,
30:15
was there? Otherwise, I would be concerned. I'd
30:18
have to check. I mean, it's haunted as hell.
30:21
Do they have to disclose that information to
30:23
us if that does happen? I don't know, man. I'm
30:30
going to the leasing office tomorrow to ask if
30:33
our specific apartment anyone's... Well, that
30:36
one time where I woke up screaming from the dweller
30:41
dream and everyone thought I got murdered, they
30:44
didn't say like, oh, phew, not another one. That's
30:50
fair. Oh my goodness. So, um, don't go out and
30:57
murder people at locations where people have
31:01
been murdered and it's haunted. We are not encouraging
31:05
this. Do not do this. I have a paradoxical question.
31:11
If you do this where you murder someone for the
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sake of a reenactment can you even still call
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it a reenactment since it's still well yeah it
31:23
would still be a reenactment because it's not
31:25
it's not the same people it's not the same yeah
31:28
but it would be more decept uh deceiving in this
31:32
case to put this is a reenactment in the bottom
31:34
corner of the screen because you're showing a
31:38
real murder on camera It would probably be a
31:43
privately enclosed experiment that they wouldn't
31:49
tell anyone or put it out to the public. Yeah,
31:51
that's self -incriminating. It would be their
31:53
own secret. So it's not even like a reenactment.
31:57
Unless they're willing to sacrifice their life
31:58
and go to jail for the rest of your life just
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for knowledge and maybe. I mean, you can reenact
32:02
things and not film them. Yeah. I feel like if
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you're doing this to prove a ghost. Wouldn't
32:09
you be contaminating the controlled environment
32:12
by creating a new ghost to try to find the old
32:16
ghost? Well, what if the person who is murdered
32:21
is doing it willingly for the reenactment, and
32:25
then they don't end up becoming a ghost? How
32:28
about we move on from this topic? That's a good
32:30
idea. Yeah. Let's go somewhere else with this.
32:32
I don't want to be responsible for anyone doing
32:34
this. Yeah. I feel like I have to put, like,
32:37
a legal disclaimer in the description of this.
32:41
I mean, I already stated that we are not saying
32:43
you should - you do not go - do not do this.
32:46
I already said that. So, I feel like that's a
32:49
disclaimer enough. The other - the other thing
32:51
about, like, reenactments, I mean, we've been
32:54
talking a lot about, like, reenacting someone's
32:57
death, but, like, it can also be as simple as,
33:00
like, reenacting, like, we've gone - we've gone
33:05
to howell opera house we've like done um played
33:09
music or like whatever when we've been there
33:13
reenacting like what would have been going on
33:15
in the opera house while investigating i don't
33:19
know if we ever got anything like drummed up
33:23
with doing that i didn't didn't you sing opera
33:27
because you're a singer right used to know how
33:31
to do opera music Yeah, I used to sing opera
33:36
music. What's an example? I don't think I have
33:40
any of this footage still, so I'm trying to just
33:42
for the audio listeners, what did this sound
33:45
like? Can you reenact? I'm not. No. Hey, hey,
33:50
hey. Pause the podcast for a sec. Bree, this
33:53
is an episode about reenactments. It would be
33:55
really helpful to at least include one reenactment.
33:59
No. Mm -mm. So we... It's a hard no for her.
34:06
Hard no. We entertained the whole murdering someone
34:10
idea, but singing is now bad. I'm not singing
34:15
on the podcast. No, no, it's for a reenactment
34:18
to make it seem like it was from last time where
34:21
you did it on camera, but I just don't have it.
34:26
It's a reenactment. Also, I haven't seen opera
34:29
in like... six years. I really can't anymore.
34:35
Was that your swan song at the Howl Opera House
34:37
the last time you sang opera? Yeah, honestly,
34:41
probably. Oh. And you don't want to reenact your
34:45
last time singing so that we can commemorate
34:49
the moment? No, we can't have Bree damage her
34:51
vocal cords. It's the end of the podcast. Yeah.
34:55
Hard no. Let's move on. Alright. Welcome back
35:03
to Paranormal Lens. Thanks for sticking with
35:05
our little pause right there. You didn't miss
35:10
anything. You're so funny. I'm leaving a gap
35:17
here just in case you change your mind. Yeah,
35:20
I'm not changing my mind. Okay. Any final thoughts
35:22
on reenactments? Man, it would have been great
35:25
if we had one to kind of end this episode on
35:27
as an auditory. I could reenact the terrible
35:31
jokes that you did on the stage of the Howell
35:34
Opera House because you also did that. Oh, I
35:36
tried doing a stand -up routine. Yeah, you're
35:38
like, I'm going to do stand -up comedy on the
35:40
stage. And I'm like, sure, Ben, you go for that.
35:44
Because that's something that happened in the
35:46
Howell Opera House when it was functioning in
35:49
the early 1900s. And you know what? That experiment
35:53
didn't work at all because the whole point was
35:57
to hear some ghost laughter. And no one laughed.
36:00
There was nobody laughing. Yeah, so it didn't
36:03
work. We didn't... But then again, no one clapped
36:08
for your glorious opera singing that no one has
36:12
any evidence of. I'm sorry, Brie. There wasn't
36:16
supposed to be a competition between who told
36:18
funnier jokes or sang better. At least I put
36:21
myself out there and put my failing jokes on
36:24
the internet and there's no evidence of this
36:26
swan song. operatic performance of yours so you
36:31
know who's the winner at the end of the day it's
36:32
hard to tell at least you have the memories and
36:35
i have the hate comments saying i'm not funny
36:38
you know i'm supposed to put in like a cricket
36:42
yes cricket sound cricket sounds yep this is
36:48
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