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Mega Edition: The Sarah Ransome Deposition From The Maxwell/Virginia Roberts Lawsuit (Part 11-13) (5/27/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're gonna pick back up where we
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left off with the Sarah Ransom deposition. Ransom. I was
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accompanied back, yes, Menager by whom Ransom. I can't remember
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specifically who it was Menager? Okay, And once you got back,
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what happened? Ransom? They tried to calm me down, Menager,
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and then what happened Ransom? From that evening onwards? I
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was Jeffrey put me on the Atkins diet. Menager. Did
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you calm down Ransom? Yes? I did? Menager. Did you
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take some more medication? Ransom? No, when you're on prescription drugs,
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you only take them at specific required times. Generally, you
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don't take more than your prescription when you're on prescription drugs,
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So you don't kind of just throw tablets in your mouth.
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You kind of just take them in the morning or manager.
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I asked a bad question. Ransom, Yeah, Menager. You said
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earlier that your prescriptions were causing you to gain and wait,
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I thought you said Ransom, yes, Menager, and then you
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just said you were put on a diet after this event, correct, Ransom, yes, Menager?
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And what do you mean by you were put on
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a diet. Ransom. Jeffrey said, you either go on the
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Atkins diet or I can go, Menager, go, meaning off
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the island. Ransom, as in, don't call me back, Sarah, Menager.
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Here's the question. Did you discontinue the medication at the
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same time you went on the Atkins diet? Ransom, No, Menager.
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And how long were you on the Atkins diet? Ransom?
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Long enough for my kidneys to be incredibly painful for
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me to no longer continue on the diet because it
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was unsafe to do so. Menager. Did you seek medical
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help for that pain? Ransom? I just took painkillers, Menager.
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What painkillers did you take? Ransom? I can't remember what
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painkillers Menager, prescription or over the counter Ransom? Over the counter? Menager.
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Were you on the diet for more more than a week? Ransom, Yes,
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I was Menager more than a month Ransom, yes, Menager,
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more than two months Ransom. I can't remember, Menager. Were
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you on the diet the whole time you were in
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South Africa? Ransom yes, Menager. Did you continue on the
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diet after you returned Ransom yes, Menager. What was the
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lowest weight that you reached during that period of time
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on the diet, Ransom fifty six kilos. Menager. Had you
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ever weighed fifty six kilos in your adult life? Ransom? No,
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menager previously Ransom no, Menager. Did you speak to Jeffrey
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again about the diet? Ransom multiple times? Menager? What did
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you say? Ransom? I complained frequently about the diet that
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he had put me on because it was seriously affecting
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my physical health as well as my mental health. Yeah,
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it's a pretty hectic diet, Menager. The time you were
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on this diet, did you have a boyfriend? Ransom? Oh? Yeah, yes.
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Who was your boyfriend at the time, Ransom? Redacted? Manager? Redacted? Ransom,
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that's redacted. This is redacted manager. What's redacted's last name? Ransom?
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I think it's redacted manager. Where did he live, Ransom
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on the Upper east Side? Menager. Did you talk to
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redacted about your diet? Ransom? Yes? Manager. Were you living
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with redacted? Ransom? Not at the time, Not when I
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was in South Africa? Manager. When you returned from South Africa,
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did you move in with redacted Ransom? Yes, I did
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to get away from Jeffrey Manager. And where on the
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Upper east Side did redacted live? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager,
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walk up or elevator building, Ransom, elevator Manager. How big
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was that apartment? Ransom? It was relatively small, Menager. More
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than one bedroom? Ransom? No, it was just one bedroom.
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It was a small, tiny apartment Menager. And what did
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redacted do for a living, Ransom? He was a redacted manager?
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Where did he work, Ransom? He worked at I can't
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remember where he worked? Menager. How did you meet redacted
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Ransom at a delicatessen when I was buying food? Ransom?
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Had you started dating him before you went to South Africa? Ransom?
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I think we had gone on a couple of dates
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or something. Menager. Where had you gone on your dates? Ransom?
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I can't remember. Manager. When you were in South Africa?
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Did you have contact with redacted Ransom once or twice?
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Like three times? Well, we were sort of seeing each other,
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so I don't know how many phone times I spoke
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to him in a month. Yeah, a few times I
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spoke to redacted. Manager. When you spoke to him, did
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he ask you to move in with him when you returned, Ransom?
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I wouldn't really say that, I wouldn't really say he
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asked me to move in Menager, Okay, what would you say, Ransom?
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I asked him for me to move in with him. Manager, Okay,
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while you were in South Africa, did you receive any
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phone calls from Jeffrey Ransom? Yes? Manager. Did you want
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Jeffrey to call you there, Ransom, Yes, he was helping
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me get into fit Menager. Any other reason for you
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to have communications while you were in South Africa Ransom? Well,
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I was living in his apartment. Manager in South Africa, Ransom, No,
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in New York. Manager, So you wanted to have communication
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with Jeffrey while you were in South Africa because you
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were living in his apartment in New York. McCauley objection, Ransom,
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And he was going to He promised that he would
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pay for my education, and I was staying in his
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apartment and he was funding my life, So of course
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I would want to have contact with him, and he'd
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want to contact me. And also he was still he
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told me he would still pay for my return ticket,
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So yeah, of course I wanted him to contact me. Manager.
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Did you have an intention while you were in South
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Africa to go to Miami? Upon your return Ransom. I
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think there was a vague conversation about it, but I
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had no real intention of going to my I had
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a conversation with redacted about it. Manager, What if anything,
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were you going to do while you were in Miami? Ransom?
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I can't remember, Menager, did you have a job lined
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up in Miami? Ransom? I can't remember? Manager and internship? Ransom.
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It was something to do with Jeffrey that Jeffrey redacted,
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and it would have it would have it was through
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Jeffrey something in Miami. I can't remember what it was
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for or I don't remember it didn't. It was just
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a conversation about Miami. Manager. So no real firm plan
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to go to Miami Ransom, No, No Manager. Were you
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disappointed when you didn't go to Miami? Ransom, No, not
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at all. Manager, And you weren't planning to be a
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model in Miami for example, Ransom, No Manager. You said
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that Jeffrey had agreed to pay for your education Ransom, Yes, Manager.
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Did you apply to any other school besides Fit? No Manager,
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Do you know whether you met the qualifications to get
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into Fit? Mister Gergis objection form Ransom, Yes, Gurgis comprehensibility. Menager.
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She seemed to understand it just fine. Gurgis. I don't
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know if she did, but fine. Manager. Do you know
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how much FIT was supposed to cost per year? Ransom? No? Manager,
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did you believe it to be expensive? Ransom? All schools
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are expensive. Manager, you had previously attended Queen Margaret College?
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Is that right? Ransom? I can't remember. Manager. Did you
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apply for any financial aid for Fit? Ransom? No, Jeffrey
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was covering FIT, Menager. That's what Jeffrey told you, Ransom,
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multiple multiple times. Manager. Did Glane say anything to you
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with regards to Fit? Ransom? It was various conversations. It
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was known among everyone that I was going to FIT
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and Jeffrey everyone knew he was helping me to get
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into FIT. It was common one Manager. You described earlier
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that Glaine was helping review the application and your essay.
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Was there something else that she was doing to help you? Ransom? Well,
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she said she would, But whether she did, I have
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no idea. She said she would, whether she made calls
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I doubt because I didn't get into FIT. So Manager,
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did you ever get accepted there? Ransom? I never heard
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from anyone at FIT. Manager. You never got a response, Ransom. No. Manager.
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Did you have an email address at the time, Ransom, yes,
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I did. Manager. Do you have a copy of your
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fit application? Ransom, I think it's somewhere. I think it's
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in the email. Manager. There's an essay and then there's
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an application. Correct, Ransom, Yes, that's correct. I can find
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the essay if you want, mister Gergis, I think we've
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already produced that essay. Manager. While you were in South Africa,
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did you have any phone conversation with Golaane? Ransom? Yes? Manager,
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When was that? Ransom through various times throughout my stay
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in South Africa. Manager. What phone were you using while
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you were in South Africa? Ransom? I had a BlackBerry
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that they had given me, and they also phoned my
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parent's landline as well. Manager. Who are they Ransom, Jeffrey,
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Golaane and redacted? Manager. Did Golane speak to your parents? Ransom? Yes? Manager.
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Who did they speak to Ransom? I can't remember if
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she spoke. I can't remember. Actually, I can't remember who
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she spoke to. Menainger. How do you know that she
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spoke to your parents, Ransom, because I remember it being
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a huge thing and my family because they couldn't quite
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understand what Jeffrey and Glaine were doing paying for their
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daughter's education, and they obviously thought suspected something was going on. Manager,
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So how do you know that someone spoke to your
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parents Ransom, because my parents and I thought about it. Manager.
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Did your parents tell you that they spoke to Golaine Ransom?
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I can't remember whether it was my stepmother or my father.
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I cannot remember which one it was. Manager, What did
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your step mother or father tell you they had discussed
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with Golaane Ransom, that she had reassured them that my
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education would be paid for, and basically that you know,
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they spent a lot of time and effort reassuring my
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family they weren't abusing me, which they were, and that
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they weren't going to traffick me, which they were. So
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there you go, I had the light of my family. Manager.
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What is your stepmother's name, Ransom redacted? Manager? And do
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you have an email address or a phone number for Ransom? No?
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I don't, Gurgis objection, no current information, Sam objection as
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the outset of the deposition. Manager, are you instructing her
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or not to answer? Gurgis, I am instructing her not
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to answer. Manager, where does redacted Gurgis? And again, I'm
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offering you the opportunity to prof for a reason for
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these questions, and I Manager interrupts them. I'll tell you
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your client has signed an affid David and a complaint
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discussing this conversation. And I'm asking for contact information for
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a witness to the conversation, the person who actually supposedly
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had a phone conversation with my client. And you're telling
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me I can't follow up with those witnesses, Menager, So
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please tell me how to reach your stepmother, Ransom. I'm
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not going to offer you my family's address details. Gergis,
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you don't have to answer. Go on, Manager, you may
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come back and answer it another day. But Manager, where
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does redactid live? Ransom? She lives in Cape Town? Manager,
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we're in Cape Town, Ransom, I don't know, Menager. Have
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you been in touch with her? Ransom? Not recently? No, Manager,
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When is the last time you communicated with her? Ransom?
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A while back, Menager, more than a year, Ransom, less
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than a year. Manager. Is she still married to your father? Ransom?
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I presume so, Menager. Have you talked to him in
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the same period of time, Ransom. No. Menager, why haven't
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you talked to your family in more than a year?
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McAuley objection. This is getting into her current relationships, which
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is not relevant to the case and also can be
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used for harassment. Menager, Why haven't you talked to your
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family in a year? Ransom? Because I came forward? Menager.
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When did you come forward? Ransom October around October? Manager.
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Have you spoken to your family since October? Ransom? No. Manager.
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When was the last time you spoke to your father
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or stepmother before October? Ransom? September? Manager, And did you
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tell them not to contact you or did they tell
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you not to contact them? Ransom, Well, I didn't. I
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basically said to them, either accept me for who I
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am or we need to stop this relationship. Menager, What
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did you mean by accept you for as you are? Ransom?
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I've made a lot of poor choices, particularly Jeffrey being
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involved with Jeffrey Epstein, and they feel I've come a
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long way from that time, and they thought that they
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didn't want me going back to a time that was
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very traumatic for me. Manager. Did they tell you they
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would not be in touch with you going forward? Ransom?
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I didn't give them that option for them to tell
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me that, Menager. So you're not having a conversation with
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your father and your stepmother in a year is because
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of your choice to come forward? Ransom? That's correct, Menager.
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What about your mother, gergis objection to form? Ransom? What
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about my mother? Menager? Have you had contact with her
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in a year? Ransom? Yes? Manager. When was the last
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time you had contact with your mother? Ransom? Last week? Manager.
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When you returned to New York and moved in with redacted,
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did you talk to her adacted about Jeffrey Ransom? Yes? Manager.
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What did you tell him? Ransom? I told him that
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I was frightened. He was incredibly concerned about my weight
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loss and about the weight goal that Jeffrey and Glaine
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set for me, which was fifty two kilos. He was
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scared for me, actually, Manager, to your knowledge, did he
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contact anybody about it? Ransom? Not to my knowledge, Menager.
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What did he do about his concern to your knowledge? Ransom?
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I begged him if I could live with him, and
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he agreed, Menager. How long did you live with him? Ransom?
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It wasn't really long because I moved in with him
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after South Africa. So about a month or something, Menager,
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from the time you returned from South Africa to when
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you returned to South Africa. Ransom, Oh, yeah, No, we
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only kind of went. We only dated for briefly. It
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wasn't a serious relationship. Yes, So when I moved to
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New York, sorry, back to London, kind of our relationship
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couldn't really go anywhere, I guess, Manager, the long distance. Ransom, Yeah,
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long distance doesn't really work, so Manager, So about the
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time you moved to London is when you and he
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broke up? Ransom, that's correct, Menager. Have you had contact
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with them since then? Ransom? I had contact with them
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again in two thousand and eight. Manager. Did you come
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back to the US then? Ransom? No. Manager, did you
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not come back to the US in two thousand and eight? Ransom,
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Oh I did. Sorry for a business trip I went.
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I did a tour. Yeah, from I think it was
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Atlantic to Atlanta, then to San Francisco. Manager, which business Ransom,
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Belfair's International. It's a private company at the time that
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did private planes the interiors of private planes. Manager, one
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more time? Can you spell that? Ransom? Sorry? Bar sorry,
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b Sorry, it's getting so bad. I'm like, really bad
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at spelling. It's B. E. L. Fairs Belfair's international manager.
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You were working with them in two thousand and eight,
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Ransom briefly, Manager, And you came for a business trip Ransom, yes, Manager.
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And how long were you in the US on that occasion? Ransom, gosh,
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I can't remember. It was like a week. Manager. And
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who did you come with, Ransom my manager of business? Manager?
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And what was that person's name, Ransom redacted? Manager? What's
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the last name? Ransom? I can't remember the last name. Manager.
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So you came back to the US in two thousand
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and eight, but you did not have contact with redacted
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on that trip Ransom, No. Manager. When did you have
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contact with redacted in two thousand and eight? Ransom? He
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moved to London in two thousand and eight. Manager. Did
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you see him in London? Ransom, yes, I did. Manager.
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Where did you see him, Ransom? He came to stay
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with me in London. Manager. Did you resume your relationship
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Ransom briefly? Manager. Is that the last time that you
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had contact with them? Ransom? Yes. Manager. Was that about
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the time you became engaged to redacted? Ransom, yes, Manager, redacted?
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Ransom redacted? And I got together at the end of
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two thousand and eight. We didn't meet and then get
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engaged immediately. It was like we dated and then we
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got engaged. Manager understood. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
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up this episode here, and then the next episode we'll
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pick up where we left off. What's up, everyone, and
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welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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gonna pick up where we left off with the Sarah
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Ransom deposition. Manager, was that about the time that you
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became engaged to redacted? Ransom's answer is redacted, followed by
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a redacted response by Menager, and then Ransom response again
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redacted and I got together at the end of two
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thousand and eight. We didn't meet and then get engaged immediately.
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It was like we dated and then we got engaged.
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Menager understood. In addition to discussing Jeffrey with redacted, is
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there someone else you discuss Jeffrey with in your life
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in two thousand and six or two thousand and seven? Ransom, Well,
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I discussed it with everyone. I knew. It's quite an
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amazing He's gonna make Yeah, everyone I knew knew that
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I was involved with Jeffrey Epstein. Everyone knew that I
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met him in New York, knew that I was affiliated
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with Jeffrey and Glene Maxwell Manager. More specifically, who did
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you tell about your concerns about your relationship with Jeffrey Ransom?
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My friend redacted, and there was a few other friends
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I had at the time, but I don't remember their names. Menager.
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Did you discuss it with or adacted Ransom? Yes? Menager?
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What did you tell redacted Ransom everything that Jeffrey did
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to me? I told her every single detail on how
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he abused me. Menager? How did Jeffrey abuse you? Ransom?
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There were times that I was I mean, look, I
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was intimidated. I was frightened of Jeffrey. Okay. I wanted
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to go to fit get an education, but if I
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didn't comply with Jeffrey's requests, I was scared, Okay. So
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how did he abuse me? When he had me on
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like the massage table? I had no option? So how
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did he abuse me by putting a vibrator and pushing
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it down on my clitterist for ties? That's abuse that
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was not pleasurable, that was exceptionally painful. He hurt me physically,
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and he abused me mentally both, Menager, How did he
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abuse you mentally? Ransom? Geez, Well, I think the fact
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that a physical abuse always leads to mental abuse. It's
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a fact. So you can't physically abuse someone and they
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will without a doubt. I'm sure of myself and all
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the other girls will have suffered some form of post
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traumatic stress. So in terms of how did he mentally
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abuse me? He bullied me, He went on about my weight,
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he intimidated me, He promised me things he didn't deliver.
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I mean I could go on and on, Menager. What
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things did he promise you that he never delivered? Ransom
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an education manager? And what do you know about what
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he did or didn't do to get you in education? Ransom? Well,
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I didn't go to FITS, so I presume not very much. Menager.
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Do you know why you didn't get into FIT Ransom? No, No,
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it just didn't ever materialize. Did you ever contact FIT
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to find out Ransom? During that time? Jeffrey had it
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in hand. I didn't think I needed to contact anybody
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at FIT, I mean Jeffrey. It was Jeffrey's contact in
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the first place that he was contacting, So I didn't
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contact anyone at FIT. Manager, he didn't contact them at all. Ransom, Well, no,
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because Jeffrey said that he was going to do that
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for me to get me into FIT. Manager, and how
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did you ever confirm or deny that you weren't admitted
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to FIT Ransom? I was never told, I was never
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given a letter. I didn't have anyone phone me. I
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didn't have the contact that Jeffrey had been speaking to
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about getting me in. She didn't contact me. So I'm
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presuming as an educated woman it was all hearsay because
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nothing ever materialized from that manager. Did Fit have your
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address at redacted's Ransom? Not that I recall Menager. Did
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you give Jeffrey your address at redacted's Ransom? Yes, Jeffrey
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knew where I lived. Manager, I understood you were going
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to live with redacted in order to get away from
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Jeffrey Ransom. So when so, basically, when you live in
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someone's apartment, it's a form of control. So when you
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don't comply with all their instructions all the time one
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hundred percent, it's like leverage for them to control you.
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I don't like being controlled by people, especially by someone
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like Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. So Jeffrey Epstein. He
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knew where I was all the time. So Manager, did
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Jeffrey come to redact his apartment? Ransom? He came around
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the Upper east Side near the apartment, Yes, he did.
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There was an occasion that Jeffrey picked me up when
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I didn't go to the mansion. Manager picked you up where? Ransom?
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I can't remember the location? Manager. Did Jeffrey live on
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the Upper east Side? Ransom? I can't remember where Jeffrey
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his exact location is. I mean, it's a nice I
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think it's near Fifth it's near Fifth Avenue. Manager. Was
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it on the upper east side? Ransom? I think? I
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don't think it was on the west side. So hang on.
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So Fifth Avenue is there is the west side that side?
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I don't know. Sorry, I'm really I'm a tourister, so
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I don't know. I don't know where Jeffrey. I don't
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know what he's got. It was near Fifth Avenue, That's
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where I know his apartment was. I'm not a New Yorker.
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So Menager, do you recall an occasion while you were
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living with redacted that Jeffrey came and picked you up? Ransom? Yes, Menager,
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somewhere on the Upper east Side Ransom. Yes, Manager, you
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don't know Ransom. No, I don't know the specific street
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name or pavement that I was standing on. No, I don't, Manager.
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Where did you go with Jeffrey when he picked you
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up on the Upper east Side? Ransom? I got in
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his car and went back to his mansion. Manager, What
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kind of car was it? Ransom? It was a I
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can't remember what the car was. Manager. Who was driving
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the car? Ransom? He wasn't driving, I can remember. I
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can't remember who was driving, Menager. Was anyone else in
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the car Ransom? Someone was driving the car, Menager? Anyone
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else Ransom? I can't remember anyone else, Menager. What was
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the purpose of going back to the mansion on that occasion? Ransom?
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I don't know. You're going to have to ask Jeffrey. Manager,
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why did you get in the car Ransom? Because I
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was frightened? Manager, What were you frightened of? Ransom? The
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fact that he had found me and wasn't supposed to
23:23
know where I was, So I was incredibly intimidated that
23:26
he drove up beside me and knew where I was. Menager,
23:29
you were somewhere out on the street visible and he
23:32
found you, Ransom. No, I was supposed to meet Jeffrey.
23:36
I was instructed to meet Jeffrey. I failed to turn
23:38
up to meet Jeffrey, and Jeffrey found me. Manager. Who
23:41
instructed you to meet Jeffrey Ransom? It was one of
23:45
the other girls. It was either redacted, redacted or redacted? Menager?
23:49
How did they instruct you to meet Jeffrey Ransom via
23:52
the BlackBerry that they gave me? Menager? You kept the
23:55
BlackBerry after your return from South Africa? Ransom, Yes, I did,
24:00
while you were living with redacted Ransom. Yes, Menager. Why
24:04
did you keep the BlackBerry after you were living with
24:06
redacted Ransom? Because Jeffrey and I were still in contact, Menager.
24:12
What were you in contact about the fit application? Ransom?
24:16
He was trying to get me a visa and he
24:18
devised a way of me getting I don't know what
24:21
you call it, sorry, an apprenticeship, an internship with a
24:24
cosmetic company, yeah, a cosmetic agency, doctor's medical facility. Manager.
24:29
When you came back from South Africa in February of
24:32
two thousand and seven, did you have a tourist visa? Ransom? Yes, Manager.
24:36
So Jeffrey was trying to help you get a job
24:39
so you could get a different kind of visa. Ransom. Yeah, well,
24:43
you can't live in New York on a tourist visa.
24:45
It's three months, so I don't know what it's like anymore,
24:49
the laws. But back then, if you wanted to tour
24:51
America you would go and fill I think it was
24:53
ninety days, but then you would have to leave. You
24:56
couldn't stay. And Jeffrey was trying to get me. It's
25:00
difficult not being it's difficult actually going to university here
25:04
if you don't have a British I don't know the system.
25:06
I just didn't have a visa. I could go to
25:09
Fit and this friend of his that owned a cosmetic
25:12
surgery he had organized that I would go in and
25:15
do an internship and that way would be a legitimate
25:19
way for me to get a visa for me to
25:21
stay and continue in Fit, if that makes sense. Manager,
25:26
And what was the name of that friend, Gurgis? Do
25:28
you need a break? Ransom? I do? Sorry, do you mind? Men?
25:33
There was a question pending, Gurgis, She has a question pending.
25:36
You can answer that then and we'll go ahead. What
25:39
was the name of that friend the witness? I don't
25:41
know it was a man. Manager. Did you end up
25:45
working in that internship? Ransom? No, Manager, did you ever
25:49
meet with that man? Ransom? Yes? Manager. Why didn't you
25:52
end up working in that internship with that man? Ransom?
25:56
I wanted to return home, Gurgis? Can we take that break? Menager? Yes,
26:02
So before the question start again, mister Gergis has a
26:05
comment before you proceed with your questions, Counsel, I raise
26:09
an objection to providing redacted and redacted email address before
26:13
then you proffered a reason for it. I accept your
26:15
profit and will provide you with that email address now,
26:18
or have the witness do it. Menager, Okay, the witness,
26:23
it's redacted. Off the record. Conversations held. Then Gurgis once
26:27
again pipes in and let the record reflect. She's taking
26:30
it down from a Google search on the web. She
26:33
believes that's right. Manager. What's your father's email address? Ransom?
26:38
I don't remember it offhand? Menager, can you mark this
26:42
defendant's Exhibit three? Affidavid was marked for identification? Manager? Do
26:47
you recognize the document we marked as defendants exhibit three? Ransom? Yes? Manager?
26:52
What is it? Ransom? My Affidavid? Manager who wrote this
26:56
Avid David Ransom. Well, I didn't type it up, but
27:00
I gave the Avid David Manager. So you spoke words
27:03
to someone else and they typed it Ransom, Yes, Manager.
27:06
Who was that person, Ransom, I don't know, Manager. Who
27:10
was the person you gave the words to, Gurgis? Wasn't
27:14
an attorney? Ransom? Yes? Manager? Which attorney Gurgis? I think
27:19
I'm going to object to that. I don't know that
27:21
it matters which attorney or which attorney provided the work
27:24
or did specific tasks. I think that's privileged. Manager. Did
27:28
you communicate the words to an attorney with the intent
27:31
that they would put it into an affid David that
27:33
you would share publicly? Ransom, I don't know that the
27:36
Avid David is public, but to share with you, with you, guys, manager,
27:40
with a third party Ransom, Yeah, with a third party manager.
27:44
And you knew that at the time you were giving
27:46
the words to the person to type two Ransom, Yeah,
27:50
to give it to you, guys, manager. So who was
27:53
the person that you were speaking to that took down
27:55
the words for your apid David Ransom? Sorry, it was
27:58
Stan and Brad. And when did you have that conversation
28:02
with them. Ransom. I think it was either. I think
28:05
it was in January Menager, last month Ransom, oh god,
28:08
last month, yeah, last month Menager in person Ransom in person? Menager.
28:14
Did they give you multiple drafts of this document? Ransom?
28:17
I wouldn't say multiple, but I made sure that it
28:20
was accurate. Mener. Did you make any changes to the
28:23
document you were originally presented with? Ransom no, Menager. The
28:28
first document that you were presented with, is that the
28:31
one that you signed? Ransom, yes, menager, and nothing has
28:35
changed after you reviewed it? Ransom, no, Menager. Is that
28:39
your signature on the second page? Ransom, yes, that's my signature, menager.
28:44
And the last page is that the official in Spain
28:47
who witnessed your signature? Ransom? Yes. Manager. Did you sign
28:51
page two in front of the person indicated on page three?
28:55
Ransom yes. Manager. Did you present that person with some
28:58
form of identification? Ransom yes, Menager. What form of identification
29:03
did you present? Ransom my passport? Menager? Which passport? Ransom?
29:09
My British passport? Menager? Is that a current British passport? Ransom, yes, Menager.
29:15
Did you have a British passport that expired in twenty fourteen, Ransom. Yeah,
29:19
I can't remember when it expired, but I think you
29:22
guys have a copy as well as my passport. I
29:25
don't remember the exact date that it expired, Menager. Not
29:28
the South African passport that was stolen, Ransom. The South
29:32
African passport is completely irrelevant. You can't travel on a
29:35
South African passport. It's you can't go into any other
29:38
country bar South Africa other than South Africa on a passport.
29:42
So I've hardly used my South Africa passport at all, Menager.
29:46
I'm just asking which passport you showed to the person
29:50
on page three, Ransom. Sorry, my British passport, Menager. And
29:54
it's a British passport that's current, Ransom, Yes, Gurgis asked
29:58
an answered Menager, just a bit of a detour, Can
30:02
I have you take a look at paragraph one, Ransom, Yep, Manager,
30:06
is paragraph one true Ransom. I am currently over the
30:09
age of eighteen paragraph one, yes, Manager, And you presently
30:13
reside in Spain, Ransom, yes, Manager. Paragraph two U state.
30:18
In the late summer of two thousand and six, when
30:20
I was twenty two years old and living in New York,
30:23
I was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein by a girl I
30:26
had met named redacted? Is that true? Ransom? Yes? Menager?
30:30
Was it the summer of two thousand and six when
30:32
you met Ransom? Okay? Well it was summer, end of
30:35
summer going into fall, Menager. So when was it do
30:39
you think ransom? It was fall two thousand and six,
30:42
It was just after the summer, Menager. So it was
30:44
the fall of two thousand and six when you met
30:46
redacted Ransom? Well, it was the end of the summer,
30:50
So I don't know fall or in the summer, or
30:52
it was the end of the summer fall, Menager, sometime
30:55
after you came to the US. Ransom? Yeah, Menager. And
30:59
do you know when in the fall of two thousand
31:01
and six you meant redacted ransom? What you mean the
31:04
end of summer? Fall? Slash? If you really want to go,
31:07
can you define like geography lessons? Show? Should we do
31:11
geography lessons? McAuley, All right, hang on a second, Ransom?
31:16
Maybe summer, fall, winter? What are your dates here in
31:19
New York? Pottinger, can we get this clear? Pagliuka? Would
31:23
you just stop it? Pottinger? Do you mind? Do you mind? Pagliuka?
31:27
I mind you talking, Pottinger, do you mind? Menager? If
31:31
you want to enter an objection, please do so. Pottinger.
31:34
Object Menager, what's the basis for your objection, mister Pottinger. Pottinger,
31:40
define summer or fall, Meninger. I will do whatever I
31:43
want during my deposition. Pottinger, define summer or fall, Menager.
31:49
I don't have to define anything, Pottinger to find summer
31:52
or fall for the client, Menainger. All right, Pottinger, and
31:56
then we will answer the she will be the able
31:58
to answer the question. Meninger. I'm gonna go off record
32:01
until you calm down. So obviously they had a nice
32:03
little testy exchange here, Menager, go back on the record.
32:09
Approximately what month and day did you meet redacted Ransom?
32:13
As I said earlier, I can't remember what day, but
32:16
it was the end of summer fall in the United States.
32:18
I can't remember what specific date and time that it was, Menager.
32:23
What month any idea Ransom? It was September, Menager. When
32:27
did you meet Jeffrey Epstein Ransom shortly after I met redacted? Menager?
32:32
Was that also in September? Ransom? I guess, So I
32:35
don't know the exact date I arrived. So if someone
32:37
can provide me with my passport so I can see
32:40
my entry date, maybe that would help. So I met redacted.
32:43
If you look at the date that I arrived in
32:45
New York on my passport, I think it's very clear
32:48
when I arrived. You've got the evidence. I'm sure. So
32:50
two weeks after the date that is on my passport
32:53
that I arrived in New York, I met redacted. Very
32:56
soon after I met redacted, I was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein.
33:01
It was in and around September, and I can't specifically
33:04
remember the date, time, season, or whatever. All Right, we're
33:09
going to wrap up this episode right here, and then
33:11
the next episode will pick up where we left off.
33:14
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
33:18
In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
33:20
left off with the Sarah Ransom deposition. So let's get
33:25
back to it. Meninger, did you show your passport to
33:29
mister Pottinger and mister Edwards when you were standing there
33:32
at the consulate having the affidavid notarized Ransom. I showed
33:37
my current passport when I had this signed menager, not
33:41
the passport that contained dates from two thousand and six. Ransom,
33:45
my current valid passport. You can only show a valid passport, Menager.
33:50
Fair enough, so you believe that your lawyers have produced
33:53
your current valid passport to me, Ransom. No. Mccauleay objection, Ransom,
33:59
they have not forced my current passport. They produced my
34:02
passport during that timeframe, which clearly shows that when I
34:05
entered the United States, Menager. So when your lawyers wrote
34:09
a copy of non party Sarah, Ransom's current passport is
34:13
attached here too as Ransom one fifty seven to one
34:16
sixty eight, which should be treated as confidential pursuant of
34:20
the party's protective order. Do you believe that to be
34:23
an accurate statement? McCauley objection. You're asking her legal information
34:28
that she's not privy to. Manager. There was nothing legal
34:31
about the comment, Ransom. Sorry, that makes no sense to me.
34:35
Please can you repeat the question, Manager, I'll do it
34:39
this way. Defendants Exhibit number four. Defendant Exhibit four Ransom
34:45
zero zero one six' eight was marked four. Identification, manager
34:50
take a look at Defendants exhibit. Four. Ransom, Okay, manager
34:55
just take a look at. It do you recognize? It? Ransom?
34:57
Yeah this is my. Passport do you know which passport this? Is,
35:02
ransom this is my old, Passport, Menager so it's not
35:06
your current. Passport is that? Correct, Ransom, no it's not
35:09
my current passport because it. Expired let's have a look,
35:13
here but she's interrupted By. Menager can you turn to
35:17
the second to last, page, Sorry, ransom, yes here we, Go.
35:21
Menager does that have a bate's, number in other, words
35:25
your Name ransom with an underscore and then page numbers
35:28
after that that were placed there by your. Attorneys, Ransom,
35:32
SORRY i don't, Understand. Menager do you see at the
35:35
bottom of that page your Name ransom underscore zero, zero,
35:39
zero one five Eight, ransom, Yes, menager all, right and
35:43
that's not a document that is an expired. Passport, ransom, Yes,
35:47
menager this is not your current. Passport Mister gergiz objection,
35:52
asked an Answered, Ransom, No, menager you have another passport
35:58
that's not this passport that's currently. Effect gergis objection asked
36:02
and Answered, menager, Correct, ransom, Yes. Manager IF i could
36:08
also have you take a look at And i'll have
36:10
to show if you can see there are passport page, Numbers, ransom, Yeah,
36:16
manager that show up on the. Passport, ransom, Yeah, Manager
36:20
and these have been put in some Order, ransom, yeah
36:23
the order of my. Passport, Yes, manager, right that's not
36:27
how they were, produced but that's the order that they're in. Now. Ransom, Okay,
36:32
manager if we could have you turned To ransom one sixty,
36:36
two which is page sixteen of your? Passport gergis is
36:40
that the Front, sorry one's sixty, Two. Manager they're not
36:44
in bits, Order they're put in the order of the
36:46
passport the. Witness oh, Yeah, manager it's page. Sixteen. Manager
36:52
do you see on that page a stamp from The
36:54
department Of Homeland security of THE, us Dated october, nineteenth
36:58
two thousand and. Six, ransom. Yeah. Manager does that indicate
37:03
to you that you were admitted to visit THE us
37:06
On october, nineteenth twenty. Sixteen, Ransom, yes it. Does. Manager
37:11
do you Believe october nineteenth is during the summer in THE? Us, Ransom,
37:17
NO i don't see the. Relevance. Manager what season do
37:20
you Think october nineteenth is in THE? Us ransom, Okay,
37:24
well CONSIDERING i arrived In, September october is in, winter
37:28
BUT i arrived In. September, Manager, Okay, well do you
37:32
believe that you did not enter THE us On october,
37:34
nineteenth two thousand and. Six, Ransom, well it's. Stamped. Manager
37:39
does it say, Admitted ransom, admitted. Yes. Manager does it
37:43
Say october, nineteenth two thousand and, Six, ransom. Yes. Manager
37:48
does it Say department Of Homeland, SECURITY Us customs And Border?
37:52
Patrol ransom? Yes. Manager so you do or do not
37:56
believe you were admitted to The United states On october,
37:59
nineteenth two thousand and, Six. RANSOM i flew in and
38:03
had my passport stamped AFTER i went on my trip
38:06
To london in THE. Uk every time you go into
38:09
as you well, know using your. Passport every time you
38:12
go into a new, country if you don't have their,
38:14
passport you get a. Stamp so if you go in several,
38:17
times every time you go into that new, country it gets. Stamped.
38:21
Manager so you think you went on a trip In
38:24
october and came back to THE us On october, Nineteenth,
38:29
RANSOM i obviously. WENT i arrived In New york a
38:32
day on the nineteenth Of. October. Manager where were you
38:36
coming from On october? Nineteenth, RANSOM i can't, Remember, menager
38:40
you have no Idea, RANSOM i think it Was. LONDON
38:44
i made a trip To. London, Manager and how long
38:47
were you In london In? October? RANSOM i can't, Remember.
38:51
MENAGER a Week. RANSOM i can't, Remember. Menager who paid
38:55
for that? Ticket ransom? Myself? Manager did you go with? Anyone? Ransom? No.
39:00
Menager did you have a new ninety days that began
39:04
On october? Nineteenth? Ransom, yes it automatically starts every time you, Enter,
39:09
Menager so in order to be compliant with the, visa
39:12
you need to leave within ninety days Of october, Nineteenth,
39:17
ransom that's. Correct. Menager do you know which airline you
39:20
flew To london in two thousand and? Six? RANSOM i can't, Remember.
39:25
Menager do you know which class of service that you? Flew?
39:28
RANSOM i can't, Remember. Menager where is your current passport right? Now?
39:33
Ransom it's in my hotel room here In it's in
39:37
my hotel. Room menager got? It Did redacted fly with
39:41
you To? London? Ransom? No? Menager Did jeffrey pay for
39:44
you to go To? London? RANSOM i can't, Remember. Menager
39:48
do you know whether you had Met jeffrey before you
39:51
went To london In october of two thousand and, Six,
39:54
RANSOM i had Met jeffrey by. Then. Manager do you
39:58
have any emails or any communication reflecting your travel plans
40:03
on that? Trip? Ransom, OH i think there was a.
40:05
PLANE i think there was a plane booking or. Something
40:08
menager for that trip To london In october of two
40:11
thousand and, Six, RANSOM i think. SO i would have
40:14
to double, Check. Menager where would you, Check, Ransom, Well
40:18
i'm trying to go and find it in my, email
40:20
my old email account where all my other emails exchanged
40:24
between redacted redacted and redacted redacted Are? Menager do you
40:29
have any frequent flyer? Accounts? Ransom, No. Menager did your
40:33
first trip to the private island in THE Us Virgin
40:35
islands before or after you went To london and? Returned?
40:40
Ransom what was the date In october, again the NINETEENTH
40:43
i can't. REMEMBER i MEAN i said. EARLIER i can't
40:46
remember the first, Time. Meninger in the next, sentence you,
40:49
say after that first, TRIP i traveled to the island
40:52
several more, times usually on one Of jeffrey's private, airplanes
40:56
and always at his, Direction. Menager what do you mean
41:00
by always at his? Direction? Ransom, WELL i wasn't going
41:03
to go there on my, own SO i would have
41:05
to be invited. FIRST i didn't want to just go
41:07
chill on my. Own it Was jeffrey's, house so we
41:10
had to phone me and invite me BEFORE i DECIDED
41:13
i wanted to go to his. Island, manager so he phoned,
41:16
you he invited, you and you decided you wanted to
41:18
go to his Island. Ransom, NO i had to go
41:22
to his. Island. Manager why did you have to go
41:25
to his Island? Ransom BECAUSE i was frightened of. Him.
41:28
Manager Did jeffrey ever hit You? Ransom, no he. Didn't.
41:33
Manager did you ever See jeffrey with a? Weapon? Ransom? No.
41:37
Manager have you reviewed any flight? Logs? Ransom, no not
41:41
THAT i. Recall, Manager you've never seen a flight Log.
41:45
Ransom i've never seen one which showed my. Name. Manager
41:49
when did you first become frightened Of Jeffrey Epstein ransom
41:53
during my time with him In New? York? Manager what
41:56
period of Time? Ransom pretty much soon AFTER i met, him,
41:59
actually and he forced the vibrator on my vagina at the,
42:03
time which considerably hurt my lady. Region, Actually, manager that's
42:08
when you became frightened of. Them, ransom, yeah, Absolutely, manager
42:12
you've seen a flight log with your name on one Flight, ransom,
42:15
YES i. Have, manager when did you see? That? RANSOM
42:19
i saw it In, january and it was to confirm.
42:22
That Mister, Gurgis i'm going to. Object hold, on is
42:26
this if this is a communication with, counsel you should
42:29
understand anytime she asked you a. Question if the answer
42:33
is it was with, counsel then you don't. Answer was
42:37
this with? Counsel, ransom, Yes, gurgis don't, Answer. Menager seeing
42:43
a document when you're with counsel is. Privileged, GURGIS i
42:46
don't know what your next question is going to, Be So,
42:49
MANAGER i asked her when she saw the flight, logs
42:51
and she said In. January, Correct, gurgis, right and then
42:55
she was about to continue the. Answer i'm fine with
42:58
THE i saw it In. January that's WHY i didn't
43:01
object when you asked that. Question i'm objecting to her
43:03
continuing and caution the, witness not the wave of her
43:06
attorney client. Privilege, menager don't tell me anything that your
43:10
lawyer said to. You you reviewed the flight log In, January.
43:14
RANSOM i reviewed one flight log which confirmed THAT i was, There,
43:18
Menager what other documents did you? Review? Ransom no other, Documents,
43:23
Manager in addition To jeffrey and, Redacted what other girls
43:27
did you have sexual relations with on the? Island? RANSOM
43:31
i can't remember their, Names. Menager can you remember any
43:34
of their? Names? Ransom there are a, Few, Manager can
43:38
you remember any of their? Names, ransom redacted and? Redacted,
43:42
SORRY i misunderstood your. QUESTION i didn't have sexual relations with. Redacted,
43:46
SORRY i misunderstood. You it was redacted and redacted and,
43:50
redacted and there were a couple of. OTHERS i don't
43:52
remember their, Names. Menager what other guests did you have
43:56
sexual relations with on the? Island? Ransom it was only those. Ones.
44:01
Manager do you know the ages of any of the
44:03
individuals you had sexual relations with on the? Island? Ransom
44:07
they were, EIGHTEEN i assumed redacted was around my? Age
44:11
was my? Age? Manager in the next, paragraph you refer
44:14
to Meeting Glayne maxwell on one of your visits to the. Island, Correct, Ransom, Correct,
44:20
Menager you, said watching her interact with the other girls
44:24
on the, island it became clear to me that she
44:27
recruited all or many of them to The. Island what
44:31
do you mean by, That, ransom that she recruited a
44:35
lot of the, Girls, Manager what did you, See? RANSOM
44:40
i saw how she interacted with all the. Girls you,
44:42
know if you walk into ANY i mean common sense,
44:45
wise if you walk into a, firm you kind of
44:48
know who the boss. Is you, know all the girls
44:51
kind of reported To. Glane glaine was like The mama,
44:53
bear if you know WHAT i. Mean she called the.
44:56
Shots we had to listen To, glane And golaane Was
44:58
jeffrey's right, hand so you, know Whatever jeffrey wanted went
45:03
Through glane and then filtered Through. Manager what did any
45:07
girl report To glaine in your? Presence gurgis? Objection i'm
45:11
not sure that's just objection to. Form. Manager you said
45:16
that the girls are reported To. Golaane what did you
45:18
see or hear that caused you to say, That, Ransom,
45:21
well it's pretty. OBVIOUS i Mean glaine called the. Shots for,
45:24
example WHEN i can't remember, specifics but REDACTED i think
45:29
had an issue and she had to speak To. Glaine
45:31
if there was ever an, Issue, manager what, Issue? RANSOM
45:35
i can't remember. Specifically we always have. Issues girls have,
45:39
Issues we have period, pains we've got. Headaches you, know
45:42
we have to look a certain way For, Jeffrey so
45:44
if we put on a little bit of, weight or for,
45:47
example if my hairstyle was. Wrong jeffrey liked girls to
45:50
look a certain. Way so for, example there was one
45:53
occasion Where jeffrey didn't like my hair And glainne told
45:56
me to change. It so there was everyone was afraid Of.
45:59
Glen all the girls were afraid of. Her so everyone
46:03
redacted and redacted reported to. Her redacted and redacted reported to.
46:07
HER i don't know how to tell. You so WHEN
46:09
i say, REPORTING i witnessed with my own two, eyes
46:12
redacted and redacted reporting To golane in front of. Me
46:16
BUT i can't remember. Specifics they were talking about. GIRLS
46:19
i can't remember the specific. Conversation but every single, person
46:23
one hundred, percent two hundred percent reported To golane one hundred. Percent. Manager, okay,
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GREAT i appreciate your, Certainty, ransom, Absolutely. Manager so we
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have redacted and redacted having a discussion With Glenn maxwell about.
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Girls what other discussions did you, Overhear? Ransom there were various.
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Discussions we were always talking about. Girls there was a
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constant influx of girls there were so many. Girls there
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were girls In, miami there were guests, coming there Were it's,
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Like i'm sure if you go into a hooker's brothel
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and see how they run their. BUSINESS i, mean it's
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just general conversation about who's going to have sex with?
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Who and you, know what do you talk about when
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all you do is have sex every day on? ROTATION i,
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mean what is there to talk? About, manager you were In?
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Miami when did you go To? Miami gergis, objection mcaulay Objection, Ransom,
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NO i didn't go To. MIAMI i didn't say. That.
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Manager apart from general, conversation do you recall any specifics
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of any female reporting To Golane? Ransom, YEAH i, saw
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and with my own, EYES i saw How glaane and
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redacted and redacted and the other girls were reported to.
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Them if you would like me to report specific, CONVERSATIONS i.
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Can't but in me being an adult and having common
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sense and a sensible head on my, shoulders you can
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quite quickly work out who is the management. There and
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we were told By Jeffrey epstein to listen To. Glane
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So glaine was the main right hand woman Of Jeffrey.
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Epstein we were told By jeffrey to listen To, glane
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and we were listening To. Glane manager went To Jeffrey
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epstein tell you That. RANSOM i can't remember the exact
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time or date or WHERE i was standing on which
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pavement or, crack but it was around the time THAT
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i Met Glaine, menager which was on the Island. RANSOM
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i can't remember what, date, time pavement WHERE i was,
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standing BUT i was told during around the TIME i
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Met glaine THAT i had to listen To Glaine menager By,
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Jeffrey ransom By, jeffrey and every single other girl That
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i've ever met With Jeffrey. Menager and we know three,
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names but that's, It. Ransom those are the three names
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THAT i. Remember BUT i MET i met lots of,
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girls Lots. Menager, okay all, right, folks we're gonna wrap
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up right, there and in the next episode we'll pick
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up where we left. Off all of the information that
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goes with this episode can be found in the description.
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