Latest / BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show / From Screenplays to Sports Cars: Lauren Goodman’s Journey into Motorsport History
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- 0:00BreakFix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from
- 0:04all over the autosphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors,
- 0:09designers, and everything in between.
- 0:11Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrolheads that wonder.
- 0:16How did they get that job or become that person?
- 0:19The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
- 0:27Tonight's guest received her master's in fine arts in screenwriting for
- 0:31the college of motion pictures arts at Florida state university.
- 0:35While volunteering at the Revs Institute in Naples, Florida, she encountered
- 0:39one of two Maseratis entered by Lucy Schell in the 1940 Indianapolis 500.
- 0:46Wanting to know more and diving headfirst into the research, Lauren Goodman
- 0:50became an overnight petrolhead, now owns a sports car, and finds herself
- 0:54as the supervising producer for media and exhibitions at the Revs Institute.
- 0:59And she's here with us tonight to share her story with you.
- 1:02So welcome to break fix, Lauren.
- 1:04Hello.
- 1:04I'm so happy to be here.
- 1:06Well, like all good break fix stories, there's a super heroine origin story.
- 1:11So let's talk about the who, what, where, and why of you.
- 1:15And it's a little bit of a roundabout way to CARS.
- 1:17So let's start with your career in the movies.
- 1:20I received my MFA in screenwriting from a terrific little film school headed out
- 1:25to LA as most of us do a few friends.
- 1:29Went to Atlanta, but starting out in LA, I did a little bit of
- 1:32everything that you're supposed to do.
- 1:34I did internships.
- 1:35I worked as an assistant.
- 1:37I ended up making a living in TV commercials for a while, learning about
- 1:41producing them and then getting a chance to even write a couple, not major ones.
- 1:45We're not talking about for the giant agencies, but for some smaller brands,
- 1:49looking to break into TV as a market.
- 1:51I think all of it was.
- 1:53educational for the work I do now, even though I didn't
- 1:57realize that's what was going on.
- 1:59I was just trying to find a way to make ends meet.
- 2:01Basically, L.
- 2:02A., you're always robbing Peter to pay Paul, especially when you freelance,
- 2:05which I did for quite a while.
- 2:06And by the time the pandemic rolled around, I really was kind of done.
- 2:10I had set out to become a TV writer and And even with my foot in the door
- 2:15taking a look around at the people I was working with, the environment I
- 2:18was working in, it didn't appeal to me.
- 2:20I couldn't see myself doing that for the next 20, 30 years.
- 2:24Of course, at that kind of time, I ended up moving home like so many people did.
- 2:28And like a lot of people, I decided, you know what, I don't
- 2:30think I'm going to go back.
- 2:31Then the question becomes, well, what do I do now?
- 2:34I have a degree in screenwriting.
- 2:35What am I possibly qualified to do?
- 2:38And while I was basically working a job here in my hometown, I discovered that
- 2:43my hometown, Naples, Florida, has one of the premier car museums in the world.
- 2:47Let's see, my first time at REVS, it was just after my birthday
- 2:50because my sister had gotten us tickets for a tour for my birthday.
- 2:53I gotta tell you, REVS is one of the best kept secrets in Florida because a lot of
- 2:59people who work at the higher level of car collecting or attend heritage events
- 3:04that have really incredible cars are familiar with the cars in the collection.
- 3:09But locally, it's kind of like the best kept secret in the area.
- 3:13There are a lot of people like me who grew up here or spent many years
- 3:16here and don't know it's there.
- 3:17So when my sister said, Oh, I have some tickets to this
- 3:20car museum for your birthday.
- 3:21I was kind of like, okay, it's going to be like a Model T.
- 3:25And a couple of Thunderbirds or something.
- 3:27It's just going to be a silly way to spend an afternoon before you go to lunch.
- 3:30So was there already an inkling there of being interested in cars?
- 3:33Why did she pick specifically going to Revs for your birthday?
- 3:36So I am at home during the pandemic, jobless, living in my teenage bedroom,
- 3:44feeling like an absolute winner.
- 3:46Just.
- 3:47Everything's going great around this time.
- 3:49I still love film and television.
- 3:51I love that it can introduce people to new things, either as a documentary,
- 3:55even great narrative films can get you really interested in a new topic.
- 3:59So I love Ford versus Ferrari.
- 4:01And I love the Senate documentary.
- 4:03It was the first time I'd ever heard of something called Formula One.
- 4:06And Netflix was kind of like, you, uh, want to watch some hot
- 4:10guys drive some Formula One cars.
- 4:12And I said.
- 4:13That sounds good.
- 4:14I don't have anything else to do.
- 4:15Oh, maybe I should ask you this piss stop question.
- 4:18Sexiest Formula One driver of all time?
- 4:20Ooh, ooh, all time.
- 4:23Oh, sir, I wasn't ready for that curveball.
- 4:26Here it is.
- 4:26It depends on what you go for.
- 4:28Because I gotta say, Jim Clark is up there for me.
- 4:31But he's, he's very much a gentleman.
- 4:32Like, it's almost, it feels...
- 4:34Ungentlewomanly to call him sexy because it's kind of like this
- 4:37handsomeness and this respectability.
- 4:40I do have to put Senna up there.
- 4:41Like the man just had a, a light on him.
- 4:44Just very special.
- 4:45I think the current crop of drivers, I think we're very hashtag blessed in the
- 4:49looks department there, which is nice.
- 4:51Nobody ever votes for Nigel Mansell and the push broom mustache.
- 4:55Okay.
- 4:55First of all, I do love Nigel Mansell and I do love that mustache.
- 4:59Big fan.
- 5:00So I am one of the generation of people who came to Formula one through drive
- 5:04to survive, which some people look down their noses at, but I, I'm of the opinion,
- 5:08whatever gets somebody in the door.
- 5:10And for me, it became an obsession very quickly, like watching every single
- 5:15free practice, signing up for the app.
- 5:17So I could watch old races.
- 5:19I couldn't consume enough.
- 5:21Since you're coming up to speed on Formula One over the last couple of years,
- 5:25have you attended a race in person yet?
- 5:27Do you want to attend one?
- 5:29And if so, where?
- 5:30I went to the US Grand Prix at Kota twice.
- 5:33The very first Grand Prix I went to was at Austin.
- 5:36That was 2021.
- 5:39So it was the first one after COVID.
- 5:40And I went just as a General Admission Hoi Poloi with my blanket and my
- 5:46little lawn chair, my sister and I.
- 5:48The following year, through a friend, I got tickets to some of
- 5:51the grandstand seats at turn one.
- 5:54And that was a stupendous view.
- 5:56And then I also went to the inaugural Miami Grand Prix.
- 5:58So there are many more Grand Prix on my bucket list.
- 6:00And your thoughts being there in person versus on TV.
- 6:03Okay.
- 6:03So I'm going to level with you.
- 6:05It's better to watch the racing on television.
- 6:07It just is being at your house.
- 6:09The TV broadcasts are so good.
- 6:11Now you have a much better idea of what's going on when you're at the track.
- 6:15You will have very little idea what's actually going on.
- 6:18That's been my experience.
- 6:19So really you're there for the atmosphere.
- 6:21You're there to enjoy some fellowship with crazy people who love this
- 6:25and want to spend their days baking in the sun to watch these
- 6:29cars go round and round a track.
- 6:31It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it, but we're
- 6:33all so happy to be there.
- 6:34It's infectious.
- 6:35Have you investigated any other disciplines of motorsport,
- 6:38maybe sports car and endurance, any NASCAR, anything else?
- 6:43There is no way you can spend all your time at the Rebs Institute and not
- 6:47get into sports car racing, especially because in our collection, especially
- 6:50if you're into Porsches, we have some, some pretty terrific Porsches.
- 6:54Y'all should come on down and check it out.
- 6:55These cars, not only is the history behind them incredible, but when
- 7:00I get to go to events and I get to see them still right on the track.
- 7:02That's also pretty spectacular.
- 7:04I would say that the majority of our collection is sports car focused.
- 7:07And I also, I enjoy Rally.
- 7:09I have my little WRC Plus subscription now, so I can watch my little
- 7:13onboards whenever I want, on demand.
- 7:16Love that.
- 7:17Well, that's good, because I'll have to have you on, and we'll just do a
- 7:19Rally recap, because we're the only two people on this show that like it.
- 7:24Rally's so great!
- 7:25Oh my gosh, I love the Group B stuff.
- 7:28I'm talking about like, The original Carlos Sainz.
- 7:30The old school stuff.
- 7:31Michel Mouton.
- 7:33Oh, the best.
- 7:34All the Audis.
- 7:34The launch of Delta Integrale is probably my dream car.
- 7:37I don't know why.
- 7:38I just love those boxy hot hatches.
- 7:41They're the best.
- 7:42All I'll say to that is never drive your heroes.
- 7:44Having driven a bunch of those cars from that era.
- 7:47Yeah.
- 7:48Yeah.
- 7:49The homologation rules were not kind to those vehicles.
- 7:51That's all I'll say.
- 7:53Yeah.
- 7:54I think a lot of it was.
- 7:56A, I was searching for something to be passionate about.
- 7:58And at that point, LA broke my heart a little bit.
- 8:00I was looking for what was the next thing that was going to spark me.
- 8:04And motorsport ended up being the perfect place for me.
- 8:09I love the camaraderie of it, especially at the upper echelons.
- 8:12The Motorsport is about being a team and it's about every member
- 8:15of that team working in unity and doing the best of their ability.
- 8:19Which a really great film said is the same way.
- 8:22It's people operating at the absolute limit of their endurance,
- 8:26of their talent, of their efforts in order to achieve one goal.
- 8:30That excited me.
- 8:31And the more I learned about it, the more I wanted to learn.
- 8:33And that's why my sister said, let's go to a car museum.
- 8:36I read it's good for people who are into F1.
- 8:38But I was thinking local museum, like it's not going to be anything that interesting.
- 8:43But lo and behold, there's a collection of almost 120 cars, which are some of
- 8:47the most beautiful examples of whatever it is they represent in the world.
- 8:51And I remember on this tour, by the time we got up to the upstairs gallery,
- 8:54which is where all the open wheel racing is, I thought I needed a paper bag.
- 8:58I thought I was going to like hyperventilate.
- 9:00I was like, I'm sorry, did you just say Sterling Moss?
- 9:04One in this car?
- 9:06Is there a different Sterling Moss?
- 9:07I don't understand.
- 9:09How could you possibly have this?
- 9:11I'm sorry, you mean Graham Hill?
- 9:14You mean Graham Hill, like Damon's dad.
- 9:16You must be confused.
- 9:17It must be a different Graham you're thinking of.
- 9:19You can't possibly have the car he won the championship in.
- 9:22And yet they did, and I remember the first time coming around a corner and seeing
- 9:25the Gurney Eagle for the first time, which Dan Gurney was driving to Oakland at Spa
- 9:30in 1967, first time an American driver in an American constructor car won a Formula
- 9:35One Grand Prix, like, just goosebumps.
- 9:37And I couldn't believe it was there, and I just thought, I have to figure
- 9:40out how to spend time with these cars.
- 9:42How to come back.
- 9:43How, how is this here?
- 9:45My tour guide, who is now one of my very good friends, and track instructor, Rock,
- 9:49said, Well, you know, we take volunteers.
- 9:51And also, if you ever want to know more about driving
- 9:54yourself, I'm a track instructor.
- 9:56Here's my card.
- 9:56It was kind of off to the races from there.
- 9:59A chance birthday gift now presents you with a job opportunity.
- 10:03So you go in as a volunteer, let's call you an intern.
- 10:07What was the Revs Institute having you do at that point?
- 10:10I think one of the most interesting parts about REVS Institute is its volunteer
- 10:14organization, which I think at last count was something like 130 people and growing.
- 10:19It's not people who just sent up for our newsletter.
- 10:22They're dedicated individuals who go through lots of training and mentorship
- 10:26in order to participate in keeping the collection open for the public.
- 10:31So one of the first things you do is you kind of shadow a mentor.
- 10:35And you get training on every single car in the collection, which, you
- 10:38know, that made me pretty nervous when I volunteered because I said,
- 10:41I'm still pretty new to cars.
- 10:42I know a lot and I, I'm learning more, but I'm by no means an expert.
- 10:46And they said, that's okay.
- 10:47Cause we can teach you everything you need to know about these cars.
- 10:50What we're looking for are people who want to engage other people with
- 10:54their excitement about whatever it is that draws them to this museum.
- 10:58So it sounds like they were gearing you up to really become what's known
- 11:02in the upper echelons of the museum and card collector world as a docent.
- 11:05That walking encyclopedia of information so you can engage
- 11:08with the audience, which you never know what that's going to be about
- 11:11anything and everything in the museum.
- 11:12Now, obviously fielding questions could challenge you in certain ways, but those
- 11:17are things you learn along the way.
- 11:18Lean over to your mentor and say, Hey.
- 11:20Uh, you know, once you step in here and help me out, what was pretty neat is
- 11:23it allowed me that, you know, I'd go in on a Saturday for a few hours and you'd
- 11:28be stationed in one of the galleries.
- 11:29You function a little bit as security because we're very unusual.
- 11:33We don't have any ropes around any of the cars.
- 11:35It's really kind of an honor system and people have tried to get into the
- 11:39cars at some point, but it's mostly being able to connect with individuals.
- 11:44As they look at the collection, people who are just their general admission,
- 11:47they're not on a tour, they're beginning to identify somebody who they seem kind
- 11:52of interested, but also maybe a little lost or sometimes I like identifying
- 11:56the person who's there has been clearly dragged along, you know, like, oh, my God,
- 12:00I'm with my car spouse or my car child.
- 12:03and I'm not a car person.
- 12:04If I can see that person and I can engage them and tell them about not
- 12:08a car, but a person behind the car, suddenly that person's engaged in a
- 12:12different way with a people's story.
- 12:14And I found that really rewarding because cars are really about people ultimately.
- 12:19But a byproduct of all this, ditching your daily driver for a sports car.
- 12:24I want to say I've been very responsible.
- 12:25I have kept the daily driver.
- 12:27It's a hybrid.
- 12:28It's very boring.
- 12:30I frequently lose it in a parking lot because I forget what it looks like.
- 12:34It's anonymous, which was perfect in Los Angeles because I never got broken
- 12:37into because I look like every other car, but the volunteer organization,
- 12:40besides being a lot of really passionate people, very knowledgeable people
- 12:44and people who also like driving.
- 12:46A few of them like to get together and we all go to Sebring to do a track day.
- 12:51And I said, Oh, I think I might like to try that.
- 12:53And they said, Oh, okay.
- 12:55Well, one Saturday we were up, just drive up and take a ride along.
- 12:59Just see if you're into it.
- 13:00Yeah.
- 13:01I think I was maybe through the first corner riding along on my buddy's Mustang.
- 13:05And I thought, Oh yeah, this is for me.
- 13:08Please put this in an Ivy bag.
- 13:10Give me a central line.
- 13:11Whatever this is.
- 13:13I need more of this and my buddies afterwards were delighted because
- 13:16they said, listen, when somebody rides along, you have one or two reactions.
- 13:20Somebody gets out and says, don't ever do that to me again.
- 13:23That was horrible.
- 13:24The other type of person says, hi, are you my dealer now?
- 13:28Do I buy from you?
- 13:29Direct from you?
- 13:29Like, how do I get this?
- 13:31Track rats are wonderful.
- 13:33I really enjoy them a lot.
- 13:34There's a camaraderie there at the track.
- 13:36Everyone's easy to talk to anything you want to know about.
- 13:39You just walk up and you're like, Hey, what's that thing on your car?
- 13:42They'll tell you.
- 13:42There's no, there's no snobbery about it.
- 13:44In fact, they're dying to tell you.
- 13:46They've just been waiting for somebody to ask.
- 13:49And that kind of education is invaluable.
- 13:52It's invaluable.
- 13:52So I said, well, I want to do this.
- 13:54And they said, well, you need to get a car.
- 13:56And of course, Miata is always the answer to everything.
- 14:00That's what it stands for.
- 14:01Miata is always the answer.
- 14:03I found one on Craigslist.
- 14:04And I called up my buddies from the museum because I said, will
- 14:06you come out and kick the tires?
- 14:08And then also test drive it because it's a manual and I
- 14:10don't know how to drive stick.
- 14:12So I also learned how to drive stick by buying this car off Craigslist.
- 14:16I put in the roll bar myself.
- 14:18First time I'd ever changed oil in my life.
- 14:21That was an adventure because the first time you do it, it's,
- 14:23you know, you make a mess.
- 14:25I think I'm making a little bit of a mess.
- 14:27At some point installing the roll bar, I took out the package tray, six
- 14:30stitches later, you know what I mean?
- 14:32I thought I was handling, I'd forgotten where I placed it and I bumped it.
- 14:36It was a whole thing.
- 14:37But, I gotta tell you, getting the car prepped and then being out on the
- 14:41track in that car, It was a level of pride I hadn't felt in a long time.
- 14:45Well, it's common in the car community, especially in the Volkswagen community,
- 14:49for owners to name their cars.
- 14:51So is this tradition upheld in the Mazda community as well?
- 14:54I think some of them do, some of them don't.
- 14:56I certainly name my car, she's a 2003, so it's the second gen NB2 Miata with the
- 15:03variable valve timing, which is broken.
- 15:05And I know that, I'm gonna fix it.
- 15:07But I call her Kitty Raikkonen.
- 15:09Oh!
- 15:09After, of course, Hello Kitty, because she's Japanese.
- 15:12but also Kimi Raikkonen because I love Kimi Raikkonen.
- 15:15That's it.
- 15:17People say, it seems like you kind of just went all in on this car thing.
- 15:21I said, yeah, that's kind of what my personality is.
- 15:23But I think also it was finding a community of people.
- 15:26And then at my first volunteering at Revs and then Essentially, they needed
- 15:30some help with some marketing writing.
- 15:32So I came on board as a contractor for a little bit, which turned into,
- 15:35would you like to just be on staff?
- 15:37And I said, yes, please.
- 15:39I already showed up for free here on Saturdays.
- 15:41Why wouldn't I want to show up Monday through Friday to make a career out of it?
- 15:45You're a full time employee at REVS now.
- 15:47So let's talk about REVS a little bit more for those of us that are
- 15:50listening to this, not in Florida, not familiar with, and as you said,
- 15:54it's sort of a best kept secret, a diamond in the rough, if you will.
- 15:58So what's the history behind the REVS Institute and some of the
- 16:02things that you're working on now that you're a part of the staff and
- 16:04you're part of media and production?
- 16:06It's a really exciting time to be part of REVS Institute.
- 16:09In short, REVS Institute is a 501c3.
- 16:11Three devoted to the exploration of the automobile as an archaeological object
- 16:17as a subject worthy of historical study.
- 16:20It comprises a museum that we're most known for.
- 16:23The museum is home to the Miles Collier collection, which is nearly
- 16:27120 cars that are really significant.
- 16:30And there's a lot of cars that are significant for motorsport history.
- 16:33It also comprises.
- 16:34A massive library and archive, which I wish more people could see because it's
- 16:40not just about the stacks and stacks of books, all devoted to automotive topics.
- 16:45We're talking about the papers and personal archives for
- 16:48former drivers, for editors, for automotive writers, for designers,
- 16:54we have old goggles and helmets.
- 16:56We have plans for all types of cars going way, way, way back.
- 17:01These are the kind of things, these little objects that are worthy of preservation.
- 17:06And unless somebody steps up and says, we're going to take care of them.
- 17:09They're the kind of things that end up in the waste bin over
- 17:12years and years and decades.
- 17:13So what's in a name I've been asked before, does Rev stand for something?
- 17:17Yeah.
- 17:17Where does the name come from?
- 17:18No, I think there was a marketing thing a while ago where they wanted
- 17:21it to stand for something, but no.
- 17:23It's just refs.
- 17:24In your new role there, what are you working on?
- 17:26This is what's really exciting.
- 17:28It's really the museum is at the point now where media is going to be such a crucial
- 17:32part of preservation of not only the cars in our collection, but cars generally.
- 17:38The reason being, media is still one of the best ways to meet
- 17:41people where they're at, to educate them, and to get them excited.
- 17:45So, for example, one of the things that's really interesting about
- 17:48the cars in the collection at REVS Institute is that they all still run.
- 17:52Streetcars are still taken out and driven on the street for
- 17:55exercise on a regular basis.
- 17:56Racecars are still raced.
- 17:58So most famously events like Goodwood and just recently Velocity Invitational
- 18:04are some of the few places where cars of historic significance, race cars,
- 18:08can come together and be exercised.
- 18:11And anyone who's a gearhead knows an engine has to be exercised.
- 18:15And for us, we have a philosophical belief that cars aren't
- 18:18really a car unless they run.
- 18:20You can't really understand them unless you hear them and smell them and see them.
- 18:23Just like a musical instrument, Just like a watch, if a watch didn't run and were
- 18:27seized up, is it still really a watch?
- 18:29Or is it a bunch of gears just stuck together?
- 18:31So what's really interesting about taking these cars out is, it's good
- 18:34for the car, but more importantly, it gets people excited about the car.
- 18:38People love attending these events, but not everybody can attend these events.
- 18:42So if we can use media to share these events and share the excitement of
- 18:46the car with a greater portion of the world, I think that's what's going to
- 18:49guarantee getting the next generation excited about maintaining these cars.
- 18:54I think in our lifetime, we're going to see the internal
- 18:57combustion engine disappear.
- 18:58So it will become a matter of the term hobbyist.
- 19:01can be a loaded one, but I mean it affectionately.
- 19:04Amateurs and hobbyists, people who do it out of love, not just out of,
- 19:07it's their profession, maintaining these cars and the culture around
- 19:11the cars to keep them alive.
- 19:13It's an interesting paradigm that you guys have put together for the museum
- 19:17and for the library as well, because It's very dynamic and I can only name
- 19:22a few museums with the same strategy of keeping objects in motion that should
- 19:28be in motion versus static displays.
- 19:30And you're like, man, that thing hasn't run in a hundred years
- 19:33and it's a hundred years old.
- 19:34So it's good that you're doing that.
- 19:35And I love that philosophy.
- 19:37I love that ideology because as everyone likes to say, cars are meant to be driven.
- 19:42They're not meant to be stored.
- 19:43If you wanted a model car, you buy a model car.
- 19:45One of the other things that you're involved with and that Revs is
- 19:49stepping up to is you guys have been named as part of the official
- 19:52heritage partners for Formula One.
- 19:54It's really exciting.
- 19:55So F1, as you know, commissioned an official exhibition that opened in
- 19:59Madrid and had a great run there.
- 20:01And now they're opening their next leg in Europe and Vienna.
- 20:04REVS Institute has been named as one of the heritage partners, along
- 20:08with names like BRM and Lotus.
- 20:10The idea being, they're not only engaging present F1 teams to tell the
- 20:14story of F1, but also people who are recognized as keepers of F1's heritage.
- 20:20That's pretty exciting, and as the F1 exhibition continues to travel
- 20:24around the world, it will present more opportunities for places like REVS to
- 20:28engage with them and to offer things from our treasures to a whole new audience.
- 20:34As you mentioned, you know, you've gone in it 110 percent head over heels.
- 20:38You're a petrol gal now.
- 20:40You're in the space with the rest of us drinking from that
- 20:42IV bag right into the main vein.
- 20:44And then you find yourself as part of the Society of Automotive Historians.
- 20:48How did that happen?
- 20:49First of all, Rose Institute is really involved generally in
- 20:53the community of people who are interested in automotive history.
- 20:56Which is not as big of a world as you think it might be because it's an area
- 20:59that's really rich for academic study.
- 21:02Any kids out there in a PhD program for history, I strongly encourage you to
- 21:06think about automotive history because it's a totally untapped field where
- 21:11there's just still starting to dig into, I mean, you can still go out and discover
- 21:15a primary source is what I'm saying.
- 21:17Like you can dig up stuff nobody else has seen.
- 21:20Automotive history for a long time was kept.
- 21:22By these, kind of, almost these oral histories and these legends.
- 21:25It was like, oh, people are like, oh, Kars.
- 21:27Like, that's not history.
- 21:28That's not a, but of course it is.
- 21:30A kar is an archaeological object.
- 21:33Just like a pottery shard.
- 21:35Just like an ancient manuscript.
- 21:36Just like a building.
- 21:38It's a record of human time and talent.
- 21:40And by investigating it, we tell better stories about ourselves.
- 21:44I think that's the big appeal.
- 21:45And I think that's what's so interesting about the Society
- 21:48of Autovotive Historians.
- 21:49And that's where we met, was at their conference they put on in
- 21:53Watkins Glen with the International Motor Racing Research Center.
- 21:56I ended up presenting there only because I had been doing a research
- 21:58project at REVS when I was a volunteer.
- 22:01that I got really into about Lucy O'Reilly Schell.
- 22:04She was many, many things, but one of the cars in our collection was a car that she
- 22:08sent to the Indianapolis 500 in 1940 with Rene Dreyfus and Rene Lebesgue as drivers.
- 22:13And in doing this presentation, I enjoyed it so much.
- 22:16And the librarian at Rose at the time said, you should publish it.
- 22:20I said, where?
- 22:21This is, you know, there's a journal for the Society of Automotive Historians.
- 22:25I said, there's a Society of Automotive Historians?
- 22:27That sounds great.
- 22:28Anyway, I get online, they're having a call for papers.
- 22:31I say, Oh, don't mind if I do.
- 22:33Tippy tack.
- 22:34And the next thing I know, I'm on a plane to Watkins Glen.
- 22:36That was a fun weekend.
- 22:37And for those of you that are wondering about Lucy O'Reilly Schell and the
- 22:42work that Lauren has put together, you can actually go back into the BreakFix
- 22:45catalog and revisit that episode, which is the first time, but not the last time
- 22:49you'll hear Lauren's voice on this show.
- 22:51There's these names throughout motorsport, women's names, and
- 22:55you don't hear them too often.
- 22:56But when you do, they are lightning rods, just like Lucio, Riley shell,
- 23:01Michelle Mouton, the queen of rally.
- 23:03And so you've jumped into that side of motorsport as well,
- 23:08kind of investigating more.
- 23:09resurfacing some of those stories and you most recently went to
- 23:13the women with drive summit.
- 23:15So I wanted to give you an opportunity to tell people what that was all about.
- 23:18Oh, that was fabulous.
- 23:20This is a conference.
- 23:21This was its third year.
- 23:22It's a conference put on by women in motor sport, North America, which is in St.
- 23:26James's organization, when St.
- 23:27James and Beth Paretta it's growing year over year.
- 23:30This year, we had to do the Phoenix raceway 450 in attendance.
- 23:34I'm sure it's going to double for next year when we're at the
- 23:36Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
- 23:38I really enjoyed going because this is devoted to women in motorsports present
- 23:43day, to making women visible and to gaining equity in terms of sponsorship,
- 23:47getting the dollars needed in order to put women in the car and to make it feasible.
- 23:51What I loved is having a historical perspective showing up and saying,
- 23:55Hello, I'm from a car museum, and you have a long line of women who
- 23:59came before you who were drivers.
- 24:01You know, the very first real road race, Paris Madrid, Camille
- 24:04Degas, a woman driver, was in it.
- 24:06So since the very beginning, we've been here.
- 24:09So as much as we talk about creating more seats at the table, which is
- 24:12really, really important, I think sometimes it's also nice to know the
- 24:16seat was kind of ours to begin with.
- 24:18And we were shoved out.
- 24:20The rules that prohibit women in racing originated because women were
- 24:23racing, and they didn't want that.
- 24:25If you go through some of these dusty tomes that exist in the libraries
- 24:29like Rev's, one of them that jumps out at me a lot, and I reference
- 24:32it quite a bit, is Chapman and His Machines, written by Cromback.
- 24:37He mentions in there that Colin, in the early days, developing the original
- 24:41Lotuses, he developed them for his wife.
- 24:44Because they were doing hill climbs.
- 24:46He was the engineer mechanic and she was the driver.
- 24:48And so the original lotuses were built for her.
- 24:51And so it's really kind of interesting how some of these stories just are
- 24:54forgotten sort of on the winds of time.
- 24:57And it's really cool to go back and read some of these older books where
- 25:00they were chronicled and explained and reignite the interest in those stories
- 25:06and dig a little bit deeper and give them the credence that they always deserved.
- 25:10One of the things that really struck me when I started doing some research,
- 25:13Into a Lucy O'Reilly show, which by the way, this is a great chance
- 25:16to plug Neil Bascom's book faster, which is what got me interested.
- 25:20Fabulous book that covers not only Lucy, but Rene Dreyfus in this
- 25:23era, sort of the French versus the Nazis in Grand Prix racing.
- 25:28A terrific book.
- 25:29But I think what I found really interesting is I went through all the
- 25:31French newspapers at the time, the race results, you know, it would be listed.
- 25:35Monsieur, monsieur, mademoiselle, monsieur, madame, madame.
- 25:38Monsieur Mademoiselle, from the very beginning, women were
- 25:41participating wherever they could.
- 25:43And in fact, so many women were interested in motorsport in France
- 25:46that one of the newspapers sponsored a women's only championship, which
- 25:50was hugely attended and had some of the finest racers of the day in it.
- 25:54L.
- 25:54A.
- 25:54niece, for example, very famous, the Bugatti Queen, Lucy participated in the,
- 25:59when Lucy transitioned from a driver of hill climbs and from rallies, she and her
- 26:03husband did Monte Carlo numerous times and came P2 in 1936, which I think is bananas.
- 26:09Then she decided I want to be a team owner and on her sports
- 26:12car team, she included women.
- 26:14So from the very beginning, women had their fingers anywhere.
- 26:17Somebody didn't forbid them from being, they were.
- 26:20And it wasn't until they were forbidden that they were chucked out.
- 26:23Even somebody like Jill Scott, her photo portrait is in the
- 26:25National Gallery of the UK.
- 26:27We have one of her Bentleys at Rev's Institute.
- 26:29She was the first woman inducted into the Royal Automobile Club.
- 26:33And then the Royal Automobile Club decided they don't actually want to permit women.
- 26:37They moved her to honorary member status.
- 26:39Things like that.
- 26:40I actually recently picked up and it was buried under a bunch of other
- 26:44books from Vintage Motor Books.
- 26:46I found a copy of Todd McCarthy's Fast Women, the legendary Ladies of Racing.
- 26:51This covers McLuggage, Evelyn Mull.
- 26:54And a bunch of other famous names and to go back and reread their
- 26:58backstories again, kind of highlighted in this one book with other women
- 27:02has been actually quite fascinating.
- 27:04You know, I recommend more titles like this to people to be like,
- 27:07Hey, we all know Andretti's story.
- 27:09We know our Earnhardt's story.
- 27:11We know a lot of the Roundy Round and dirt track guys.
- 27:13But go back and discover some of these lesser known stories.
- 27:17'cause they're absolutely fascinating.
- 27:18They really are.
- 27:19And I think.
- 27:20Anyone interested in telling stories, be they academic, be they a fiction writer,
- 27:25be they a screenwriter, I think this is a rich area and I can't recommend enough.
- 27:28Dig it a little deeper.
- 27:29You're going to be very well rewarded.
- 27:31And that's a perfect segue into one of the other reasons why
- 27:34you're here with us tonight.
- 27:35You're going to be showing up more on break, fix in the future.
- 27:38And so I wanted to give you an opportunity to kind of tell the audience, maybe
- 27:41some of the things we're going to talk about, some of the guests we're going to
- 27:43have on the show, what are your thoughts for your role on break, fix podcasts?
- 27:47Well, I would love if I could participate not only about women in the autosphere,
- 27:53but also the interesting tidbits from history that maybe get missed.
- 27:57To me, the human story is always the human angle is always the one that I look for.
- 28:02And cars represent such a rich field for looking for those stories.
- 28:06So I think it's not only pulling in, you know, women, but also pulling in.
- 28:10People have a really interesting take or really interesting.
- 28:13Viewer experience on cars and motorsport and motorsports, my
- 28:18particular passion, but really anything about cars interests me ultimately.
- 28:21Well, we have some great guests lined up for the future and I don't want to
- 28:25give out too many spoiler alerts, but I'll say soon after this episode airs,
- 28:29you'll be back on quite frequently.
- 28:31And so we look forward to having you on the show and co hosting with me
- 28:34and maybe co hosting with Tanya and some of the other folks on break fix.
- 28:38So that'll be fantastic and welcome aboard.
- 28:40So thank you.
- 28:41Thank you for having me.
- 28:42Bye.
- 28:43Well, with that, what's next, Lauren?
- 28:45What else is on your horizon?
- 28:46What's your five year plan, as they like to say in an interview?
- 28:49Oh boy, five years.
- 28:51Well, certainly working with Rev's Institute to increase
- 28:55their media presence.
- 28:56I'm really looking forward to right now we're working on essentially developing a
- 29:00YouTube series that each episode focusing on a different car in the collection.
- 29:04Being a really engaging way to take a closer look, a slightly
- 29:07deeper dive into some of the cars.
- 29:09And especially the people behind some of those cars.
- 29:12So the first episode is actually going to be about Briggs Cunningham.
- 29:15If you don't know who Briggs Cunningham is, I highly recommend you watch,
- 29:17because you're going to be blown away by this incredible American and
- 29:20what he attempted to do at Le Mans.
- 29:22As I've made lots of connections with more and more women.
- 29:25Either presently working in cars or connected some way through history.
- 29:29I've been looking around to see if there's a database essentially of where
- 29:34all this stuff about women in motorsports and women in the automotive sphere is.
- 29:38Is there just one place I can go look and see, oh, if I want to know
- 29:41where the personal paper is about, you know, Elizabeth Jennegar, and
- 29:44I want to know about the women who worked in the GM design studio,
- 29:48where do I go to find those things?
- 29:49If there's a database.
- 29:50It doesn't seem that there is.
- 29:52I'm hoping that by putting out this APB, maybe somebody will either contact
- 29:55us and say, Oh, I know of a database.
- 29:58And if it doesn't exist, I'll just plant my flag in the sand and say, I'll do it.
- 30:02I work at Rev's Institute.
- 30:03Yeah, we'll do it.
- 30:05Very cool.
- 30:05And I think it's much needed as well, and it'll be a great resource for folks.
- 30:08Doing research on these advanced topics.
- 30:11Like you said, ladies that are getting their PhD in history, looking for source
- 30:15material, I think this is going to be the place that they're going to want to go.
- 30:19Especially because so much now I'm really looking to about figuring out how to
- 30:22better record oral histories because the generation now that's passing away, they
- 30:27have a whole encyclopedias in their head.
- 30:29And it's disappearing.
- 30:29That's one of the things that we talked about when we were at Watkins Club.
- 30:32That's why it's also important to do shows like ours and others that exist
- 30:37where you're capturing the living history of these people because who
- 30:40better to have you tell the story than that person in their own words.
- 30:43Now granted it is their perspective and sometimes time changes history
- 30:47but it's still coming from the source.
- 30:49Reading an autobiography versus a biography, same kind of thing.
- 30:53So podcasts are a great medium for that.
- 30:55There's other ways to do it.
- 30:56I think what you're doing and what you're planning to do is fantastic
- 30:59and really great that you have the power of Revs behind you to do it.
- 31:02Incredible resources there.
- 31:04Absolutely.
- 31:04We've reached the point of the episode, which we like to ask our
- 31:07guests any shout outs, promotions, or anything else you'd like to share
- 31:10that we haven't covered thus far.
- 31:12The one thing I'll mention that additionally that Revs is doing
- 31:14is they've realized that there's a lack of knowledge about.
- 31:17Some of the basics about how cars work and people feel uncomfortable
- 31:21working on their own cars.
- 31:22So they actually started something called Rev's Ed, which is essentially
- 31:25like shop class for grownups.
- 31:27I don't know how else to phrase it, but they've written this whole
- 31:30curriculum and it's portable.
- 31:32And some people can either come and study at the Rev's workshop, which is
- 31:36an incredible place to study in, or they could take it to where they are.
- 31:40Learn how to work on their own cars.
- 31:42It's designed to be a really fun way to get people comfortable
- 31:45working on their own cars.
- 31:47I think that's fabulous.
- 31:48That would be invaluable to a lot of people, especially even in our age
- 31:51group where we're thinking about taking over the role as the custodian for
- 31:56some of these more classic vehicles.
- 31:57And then you get this 1940s MG and you're like, well, what do I do with it?
- 32:01Well, how do I work on it?
- 32:02It runs now, but when something breaks the previous owner or that
- 32:06club of people, they're gone.
- 32:08And you know, you're starting all over again.
- 32:10It's like learning how to make fire, chronicling this, documenting it.
- 32:13It's going to be super critical to the life expectancy of these classic cars.
- 32:18That's actually a huge part of what we do is documenting those things.
- 32:21Step by step.
- 32:22So future generations say to themselves, how do you fix?
- 32:26And I should know two more.
- 32:27Exactly.
- 32:29Well, with that, Lauren, we're going to wrap up here and I will let
- 32:31people know how to get ahold of you.
- 32:33And if you're interested in learning more or getting touch with Lauren and
- 32:37discussing the Rev's Institute, or if you happen to be in the Naples, Florida area,
- 32:41stop by the Rev's Institute for a visit.
- 32:43Get a personal tour or learn more about the museum and its
- 32:47collections and other services.
- 32:48You can check out www.
- 32:50revsinstitute.
- 32:52org or follow them on social media at Revs Institute on Facebook and
- 32:57Instagram, or check out their YouTube channel at The Revs Institute.
- 33:02So with that, Lauren, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show,
- 33:05sharing your story as a newly minted petrol head and joining the team.
- 33:10So we really look forward to seeing you on future episodes of the show.
- 33:13I think it's going to be okay.
- 33:18That's my life motto right now.
- 33:19It's going to be fine.
- 33:20It's going to be fine.
- 33:21Just go, just go.
- 33:22It'll be fine.
- 33:24This episode has been brought to you in part by the REVS Institute.
- 33:28The REVS Institute is more than a car museum.
- 33:30It's a place to see society through a different lens.
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