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- 0:00Good morning, we are in Herzegovina Zion up to sif you
- 0:05dollar. This is a bit of a interesting
- 0:08then you dollar ain't every knowing every knows every is
- 0:15only knowing when you're is knowing the Hani Mili, the
- 0:21Migni, a goofy. This then only apply is is
- 0:25talking about for Kenyan ha goof that you would need to get
- 0:29Shikhar for that would allow him to marry a Shifka things like
- 0:33that marry whatever it is the Shard DNA Evidevi Avaheka de
- 0:38Kanye Shavai, the Maisi Yadav. If a Jew was was captured and
- 0:46and they forced him into the office.
- 0:50Maisi Yadav, Dina da Mahusa according to the laws of the
- 0:54country Kagan Shinish Bahama, he was captured in Mahama Shimahu
- 1:02or it should be Oh, Shimahu Gulbe Hamas or like it mentioned
- 1:07this case yesterday. There was a case in the Gamora
- 1:10where the Melok said, OK, anyone can't pay taxes and get sold as
- 1:13a slave. And so the the you know, the tax
- 1:16collector sold him sold him as a slave.
- 1:18How the multi Luzuna Israel and I say, oh, though you can you
- 1:22sell can be sold for his might see a dime.
- 1:24There is such a thing as an every livery, the multi high
- 1:27evidence mayor of the rabbit Israel, the baby not sorry and
- 1:31this evidence every can give pay the pay the pay off the you know
- 1:36if he has something in the bank and pay off his master, the
- 1:40Israel to go free ultimate Shavyev or even if the how much
- 1:45you pay by however much they they would estimate how much
- 1:48he's worth and Norfolk and he would go free.
- 1:51We had a Alden Altarina Lika Apocos and the other one you
- 1:56have to take the puffles, which is interesting.
- 1:58I don't just say, well, how could you go ahead and buy the
- 2:00year then whatever, you know, you lost your money.
- 2:05He has to he would have this this Jew would have to pay the
- 2:09pay off the guy in order to go for free.
- 2:12Otherwise he can he can use he can, you know, he can be his,
- 2:15you know, a free accountant for for the next number of years or
- 2:20whatever. Yeah, the office doesn't only
- 2:22mean you will see, doesn't what does only mean cleaning floors.
- 2:24It can mean, you know, being an accountant like Joseph Asadek
- 2:27was the first Jewish accountant and or it can mean any all types
- 2:32of all types of work. It doesn't specifically mean.
- 2:37It just means he works for free. So that's not up with that part,
- 2:41right, Right. Well, if every Yeah, so every,
- 2:44every so someone. So then the truth is it is
- 2:46interesting again, when you do get to there is a discussion
- 2:51about the the the foreign discussed this in to have an
- 2:55understanding about how how long someone can put make a contract
- 3:02for. And there is a din and you
- 3:03shouldn't make a contract for more than three years because
- 3:08then it might look like he's inevitably some say some
- 3:11understand him because he really would have a dinner but never
- 3:13there. But he shouldn't make him if he
- 3:15makes a contract. Yeah, OK.
- 3:18All the details are over there. But Uncle Panim the Apollo you
- 3:22smell might even there are different.
- 3:24There are different stuff in the if he's working for a long a
- 3:27long time might have a different some denim of an of of every
- 3:31livery and certain for certain things.
- 3:36Uncle Panim not for like ISR or anything like that on Tess Valve
- 3:42Anashim Shan, Nogam Kishura Motorola Daison Barholska who
- 3:49stopped Ibrahim people who are not who who are not acting
- 3:54appropriately that you know they're you know, the criminal,
- 3:59criminal activity, whatever it is, it's criminal Dafka Then
- 4:03then it's motor to to hop them to take them and force them into
- 4:08some sort of forced work to try to rehabilitate them.
- 4:11This is it's a Gemara that's a brother, brother's brother used
- 4:15to do that and used to force into into working, you know, so
- 4:19to do something. So you know, I guess, you know,
- 4:23prison labor and all these things.
- 4:25I don't know prison labor, but but people sit around doing
- 4:28nothing and, you know, doing something like give them, you
- 4:31know, a push. I don't know that's Zion Melek.
- 4:34She Gazar, she called Michelite Hamas.
- 4:37I call Ishvi Ish. He stopped being the session
- 4:41also. I'm also.
- 4:41Yeah, although Melek was gazer that anyone who does not give
- 4:46taxes pay the taxes. Then he he comes to Mushubud to
- 4:52to the one who paid, who paid the tax for him.
- 4:54I raised a mutually established boy.
- 4:57This guy, you know his you know his neighbor, he didn't pay his
- 5:00taxes. His name was like, you know,
- 5:01great. So he he paid the guys, you
- 5:04know, this guy's taxes in this case, he's allowed to go ahead
- 5:08and force him to work for him. He used to me die.
- 5:10He's allowed to you know, we said before he's a different
- 5:13evidence, right, And he's allowed to go ahead and even
- 5:16make him work hard. You know, it's he has a
- 5:20different evidence of a low of a low Evan, but not my machine.
- 5:24He can make him work harder, but not hard Arcade cough like an
- 5:28evidence that who like you know, he could be controlling his
- 5:31brakes. This whatever he's allowed to
- 5:34work him a little more than a little more than normal.
- 5:36Ain't annoying Kashura. And if, like the second case,
- 5:39the last say, if he's not annoying Kashura multiple
- 5:41establishment Evan, then he's allowed to even make him work
- 5:45like an Evan. So the first case, the first
- 5:48date of this of now, what will be a nowadays we called, you
- 5:51know, NF and every is, you know, so if you dial that, if he gets
- 5:55sold because he because of the some law or something in the
- 5:59country that he has to go ahead and do you know that?
- 6:02So then so then in that case, he can, he can, he can, he can use
- 6:07it, he can push him a bit more, a loss of a coffee break, you
- 6:12know, a little less siesta. You can make them work harder.
- 6:14There's no issue. But if you and if, but if you
- 6:17take people off the street or in jail, I don't know, whatever,
- 6:22and you and you force them into into some sort of service.
- 6:25So then you can even make them work like an Evan.
- 6:28You're dying a kind of Evan Or if you could have him is well,
- 6:31someone who buys an Evan of you could have him or from another
- 6:40or from another for a non Jew. Or if there would be a non Jew
- 6:48who would sell himself to a Jew or he sold his kids.
- 7:00They all have a dinner with Ella.
- 7:08The difference is is that someone who buys an avid from
- 7:12another from another from from a different from another from from
- 7:16a guy is not ankle for Konoi Ella Baisa Yadav his he's only
- 7:22calling me from my my so you're dying Naf Kamina.
- 7:25The traps is Naf Kamina is for this is more is mostly only that
- 7:30he can be called on the tovol. He can, you know, jump in and
- 7:32say, you know, I'm being to evil as a Ben Hurin.
- 7:37That's the only enough Camino. That may be other enough.
- 7:39Camino is obviously, if he doesn't hurry, just need to get
- 7:41Chikur and Chikur is only for Kenya Naguf.
- 7:46I don't know if there are other. No, no, get I get Chikur.
- 7:50You need a star get Ellen and Kane Kano with Dina de Marcusa
- 7:56unless they bought him and he was Dina de Marcusa.
- 7:59Again, Dina de Marcusa is a discussion.
- 8:02Was it? What does that What does that
- 8:04mean? You know, it means that the law
- 8:06was so it means that it is in Dafka.
- 8:09I mentioned this. Does it mean Dafka if through
- 8:14Mahama or a law, you see from here that even a law from the
- 8:18denial of the moths can go ahead and push it and force a person
- 8:21into into into Abdus? Yeah, I mentioned I mentioned in
- 8:26the in the beginning that you know, the the question, the
- 8:29question brought up. If someone nowadays someone
- 8:32wants to retire and Amser and they want to go ahead and they
- 8:36and they will be clean it. And so they want to make a they
- 8:38want to, you know, be the guy or a woman as a as a shift of
- 8:43Canaanis instead of a full instead of a full, you know, a
- 8:48full guy artist. And they're they're by Mary and
- 8:50Amser Shyla's is that would that be Hal.
- 8:54So I did see a few different cheetahs there.
- 8:58It's not how we don't have slavery.
- 9:03It's not how the Kenyan Avdas wouldn't be how that's what he
- 9:11says Pasha. Kenyan Avdas wouldn't be how I
- 9:13saw a story or I don't know, a snippet that they asked the
- 9:18solovatrix. I don't know all these, you know
- 9:19the story books about him or whatever, like you know things
- 9:22of that. So they asked him once after
- 9:25Rasheer and he's about it and he's about Dina.
- 9:29There's no there there, there's you can't be coined in avid
- 9:33slavery. Slavery is forbidden.
- 9:35You can't be you can't be coined in avid.
- 9:39The slavery is forbidden the United States all international
- 9:46by law. By law it's forbidden.
- 9:48Yeah, I think you know, and eventually it was accepted.
- 9:51There's for confidence around the world.
- 9:52Now, first of all, there's no international dental sadina.
- 9:56There's no malach of the world. Every country is yes, I'm saying
- 10:00yes, except one. Yeah, except one.
- 10:03So the so each country is according to their laws.
- 10:06So there was a the Nicholas Yitzhak suggested that I've
- 10:11heard the suggestion that I don't remember so that you can
- 10:15go to a country where the is not so strong.
- 10:20There's a couple different things A country where a
- 10:25dictatorship is Kobe is the passion is if it's not, if it's
- 10:32not a it's not a it's not a place where the where the laws
- 10:35are enforced, well accepted by all the, all the, all the
- 10:39inhabitants, things like that. Then the then the mouthful.
- 10:42So there is not the, you know, if one, if one, if 11 week, it's
- 10:45one militia next week it's another warlord or I don't know,
- 10:48depends where you are, depends on different things.
- 10:52Where they're not, they're not really going to go ahead and you
- 10:55know, going to enforce the laws. So there are they gonna, you
- 11:00know, listen, you know, you go to someone's private islands.
- 11:04I don't know, private compound. I don't compound.
- 11:06I don't know in America country that is OK with slavery.
- 11:10No, I don't know there's any country which is OK with
- 11:12slavery. I don't think officially, I
- 11:14don't think there's any country which is OK with slavery.
- 11:18I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know the country,
- 11:20but they may not just be, they may not have the power.
- 11:22The government does not have the power to enforce anything.
- 11:27Yeah. So are you saying that it's not
- 11:29so then so that's over there could be would be Hal because
- 11:33the point is, is that if if the government has a right has a way
- 11:36to mafia the Kenyan or lots of Kenya not be Hal.
- 11:39So it could be it's a Hal Sternberg and Mashma.
- 11:44Also, they say that it could be also even say in America or even
- 11:48whatever that the definition of a Schiffer Klanes wouldn't fit
- 11:53into the definition of of of of slavery, because celebrations is
- 11:59even a case is even if you if you buy if you buy them I'll
- 12:03I'll I'll deny that you and them Chakra them that wouldn't fall
- 12:06under the the definition of of of slavery because yeah, and
- 12:14that would sidestep the deal in the mouth.
- 12:15So which would stop. But because yeah, that would be
- 12:18permitted by the horror because Kenya, Madam, it would sides
- 12:23that because because that's not the point of slavery.
- 12:25Slavery is you being shot at someone.
- 12:26You have possession, you pass whatever.
- 12:29There's a lot of guidelines. It's a little bit unclear in the
- 12:31constitution. I looked up the lushness of
- 12:34slavery. OK, it's a little bit unclear,
- 12:36but you know, but the idea of slavery is is you're is you're
- 12:40forcing someone to do things. The one point is, is that
- 12:44technically, even in the case where you would go ahead and to
- 12:47it could be result tonight that you're Misha, you'll be Misha
- 12:50her then could be that would be better.
- 12:51Because if it's just that you're going to be we'll see in a
- 12:53second. You're going to be nice to them.
- 12:55You're not going to she's going to be your wife and you're going
- 12:57to be, you know, whatever. There's still bets of outside
- 13:00that. Technically he could he could
- 13:02sell. He could sell her just OK, you
- 13:05know, sell to the next person. Like there is a technical sound
- 13:07like that. So it depends how deep in the
- 13:09social measurement that gets. Yeah, well, it does right.
- 13:14Right. If it's not outside, then the
- 13:16whole thing rebuttal, whatever. But but it's so Uncle Pan and
- 13:20there are there are patenting. There are different solutions.
- 13:24Diane White said that even if you have a country which is not
- 13:27so strong in the in the mouth, so you can even just go to their
- 13:30embassy. I go on to the property of the
- 13:33embassy and do it there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 13:37He says that and this is here and it's as well.
- 13:40I don't know if you go to the Stachim here.
- 13:43You think I'm joking. You go to you go to like Niger
- 13:46Rico over there. I don't know how Stark is Dino
- 13:48Malkinson there. I don't know how much control.
- 13:50I'm not getting into whether if if the country Bidafa doesn't
- 13:53apply Malkinson or not. I don't know all these things
- 13:56and it's military rule, I don't know.
- 13:57But if you're in a place of you know, of you know that the that
- 14:01the that the the that it's more Hefker, whatever could be this.
- 14:06It's also less of an issue. I don't know, but cool close
- 14:11manually. It's real the shame Abdul's
- 14:13Dinoco Avikovi, the whole dova. And if they weren't titled the
- 14:16shame Abdul, then they were like an Avikovi for you know, they're
- 14:20not Jewish at all. Well, after she actually little
- 14:22the shame Abdul to evid after you title them.
- 14:25There are there are, there are the mitzvahs Shahisha Hayeves,
- 14:29Bahem and the hive in mitzvahs that the woman is is hiving of
- 14:35association as van grammar, whatever zemmuter Lavo, the
- 14:39pera, the pera this every kleini you are allowed to work to work
- 14:44in the pera. Even though this is true.
- 14:52Hey, all the Rachman the person should have Rachmanos, though
- 14:56you shouldn't be, you know, forced into the heavy, you know,
- 15:01heavy load don't to mitzar him Yokiluviyushku me call Michael
- 15:08Mashke and it should feed him and you know, feed him well for
- 15:13any of everything below you Vasuhu and nor and he should not
- 15:17vasa him embarrass him a little bit Yab a little bit very him
- 15:20not with like it was slapping him or words or whatever below.
- 15:26Yeah, I would say say call the homing your children also call
- 15:29the homing someone who you know is an employer to his employees
- 15:33and they're also may have been a volume as well.
- 15:36Below you are bell of Taco E the cast Ellie Dabber e-mail Binaka
- 15:41Suishma time and if you speak Binakas, people will listen to
- 15:45you. So volume also will listen to
- 15:47you. It's whatever.
- 15:51And this is one of the assaults of treats.
- 15:54He treats his workers as his voting.
- 15:58You know nicely that's what it should be.
- 16:00You have there was a non Jewish king who made a war behavi
- 16:07Shuwim and he brought Shuwim A mukram and he sold them and he
- 16:14told me he gave his sister. Anyone wants to go ahead and and
- 16:18steal people, kidnap people from this nation.
- 16:21Shyama Mahama, you can go ahead and and and and kidnap app and
- 16:27sell the captives for the you know for themselves.
- 16:32They came higher Dinov or any case there was a law she called
- 16:37me shaloite Hamas I maker sometimes them pay tax will be
- 16:40sold as a slave or Mishiyasa Khakhakh or if he broke this
- 16:44law, the Oyasa you maker Harry Dinovdin the dinner who said
- 16:50that would apply? I've been on Duke with him
- 16:54either way UK evic 90 little Dovar and he's in evic 90.
- 16:57He would need to get sure for all these things.
- 17:00I was just wondering was this now you know what to see about
- 17:03Shukurim. But when it came to those in the
- 17:06South and that you know the emancipation during the civil
- 17:08War Lahore that that time even I don't know about whether you
- 17:13need to get you know, get Shukur or not.
- 17:14I don't know. But Lahore they were all the
- 17:16slaves could be would have. I was thinking maybe have a
- 17:19dinner of Shuyin because, you know, it was during Bahamas.
- 17:23The North said, okay, we're taking all your slaves away now
- 17:26we're freeing them. But that I don't know.
- 17:28I don't know if freeing the slaves was tantamount to to, you
- 17:32know, was the same thing as capturing them.
- 17:33I don't know. It's just interesting to think
- 17:35about. I don't know you test Aisha.
- 17:40Aisha is allowed to be to to buy maidservants about Aina coin of
- 17:46volume. She's not allowed to buy men.
- 17:49You know men. A few look, Tani, because you
- 17:55know, it could come to you could come to it could come to
- 17:58problems and anytime and especially if they're said the
- 18:01task points out that this is not this this supplies Dafka the
- 18:05case where she's like the the master and then the evident that
- 18:08there's an extra reshuffs on top that that could that you know,
- 18:15you know that. First of all, he said that by
- 18:18Evan Ivory, like Mara says that the Evan Ivory's workshop
- 18:22because he would cover something if something unseemly happened,
- 18:25they would cover it up. Say that this is only in the
- 18:30case where she's mamish, like the boss, like you know, the
- 18:33like the other ones of the avid, but a stomp case of Co workers.
- 18:36This doesn't this doesn't apply because people keep you know,
- 18:40people keep, you know, keep a certain distance just in a case
- 18:43where there's she would so certain.
- 18:45I guess boundaries can get can get more easily erased.
- 18:49Huff, the master can say to his avid you know, you work for me.
- 18:58I am not going to support you and you'll you know, and what
- 19:05does this mean? One second.
- 19:08Yeah, that's he means and you go collect stucco.
- 19:11Go take stucco. He's allowed to say you're going
- 19:13to do my work and you'll and then you'll have to go out of
- 19:16collecting for yourself to buy food of Abde Nixa mulug by value
- 19:21of Nixa mulug Pierish Nixa mulug.
- 19:29That's a it's it's taking it. I'm feathering the head of a of
- 19:34an animal Satoshi and say are the Oasis in a rush.
- 19:37You, you pluck the hair and you leave the head Kahabao Uncle
- 19:40Paris, the husband eats pears. The next same a little years
- 19:47when a wife has, let's say she gets a yerusha, a simple case.
- 19:51And so that, so that money is invested in something.
- 19:56Let's say they buy, they buy an apartment, they buy a house,
- 19:58whatever and they rent it. So he gets the rent from it.
- 20:02So if she had a look, let's say she had in her possession from
- 20:06her family of Adim, then Hive Luzunam because that he's tried
- 20:11to manage properly manage the look and he's in that case he's
- 20:16Hive to support them. Gabi is showing him.
- 20:24How do you hold on but in a in a drought year or famine year
- 20:31shame or Akima love no one's going to give him any money low
- 20:35right then then then he can't do that of all Yahoo.
- 20:37That's that's beyond of all Yahoo lawyer load same.
- 20:40I say your diaphragm is on the side not speaking.
- 20:47He's allowed to say OK, work for yourself.
- 20:49I can't support you. You should go out and work for
- 20:51yourself and support yourself. Even if this guy is not so
- 20:55talented and he can't get a, you know, job is a, you know, in a
- 20:59law firm or whatever, he's he can't, he's going to be, you
- 21:03know, janitor or something of a Peking.
- 21:06He's allowed to say he is allowed to say that.
- 21:08He's not allowed to say, you know you're working for me and
- 21:11you have to go try to find your bread wherever you can.