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Fictional Women Around the World: Sabine Wren · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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  Speaker 1: Never told you Protection of I Heart Radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another sub sub segment of Women Around the World,
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  Speaker 1: fictionally Women around the World and further Women Around a
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  Speaker 1: Galaxy Star Wars edition. Yes, yes, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: good timing because as we record this as you hear it,
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening to it, when it's when it drops
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  Speaker 1: as they say, we're entering like Made the Fourth b
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  Speaker 1: with you, Revenge of the Fifth all that. But we're
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  Speaker 1: recording this on a which is seen on Morph Day.
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  Speaker 1: So happy Zeno Morph Day. I don't know what that is,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna nod. Thank you Alien Okay, it's Alien Day. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so excited. Um. The woman we are talking about is
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  Speaker 1: Sabine Wren, who we mentioned in our episode on Subtine
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  Speaker 1: as a past wielder of the Dark Saber. So you
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  Speaker 1: can see that episode for more context about the Dark
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  Speaker 1: Sabers whole deal, because she did play a role and
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  Speaker 1: that whole thing. As per usual, Samantha, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: run through this and you know, Paul, if you have
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  Speaker 1: any questions, thoughts, concerns, uh, this one did get complicated
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  Speaker 1: and it's kind of out of order, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it will make sense. I just got confused. I was
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  Speaker 1: tired when I did the first draft. So being is
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  Speaker 1: someone I kind of no because I did watch all
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  Speaker 1: of Rebels as opposed to anything else, so that she's
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  Speaker 1: the one that I do love because she has some
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  Speaker 1: Asian representation and I love it. But okay, just confused
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  Speaker 1: me now that I don't feel like I know it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's my goal. No, I think it will make sense.
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  Speaker 1: I think just got a little. That whole dark Sabory
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  Speaker 1: thing can really bog you down if you try to
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  Speaker 1: keep track of all that stuff. Um, but anyway, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Sabine was voiced by Tias Takar, and it was just
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  Speaker 1: recently announced that Natasha you Borditso has been cast to
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  Speaker 1: play Hair and upcoming Star Wars live action stuff. My
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  Speaker 1: theory is she's going to train the Mandalorian how to
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  Speaker 1: use the Dark Saber. But we'll see. Sabine Wren was
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  Speaker 1: a Mandalorian woman first introduced too Many of Us in
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  Speaker 1: the animated show Rebels, which took place in the Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars timeline a few years before the events of Rogue
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  Speaker 1: one and a new Hope, and then a little after
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  Speaker 1: Return of the Jedi, just like a little peak um.
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  Speaker 1: So Sabine is really into art and spray paint, and
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  Speaker 1: went on to provide some inspiration for the symbol of
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  Speaker 1: the Alliance. She briefly became the owner of the Dark Saber. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but let us step back. H Sabine was born on
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  Speaker 1: Mandalora to Clan Wren of House Visla. Her mother Ursa,
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  Speaker 1: was a member of death Watch during the time that
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  Speaker 1: Mandalora was in chaos after Satine's murder in the collapse
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  Speaker 1: of the new Mandalorian government towards the end of the
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  Speaker 1: Clone Wars, which we talked about, and that's a teen
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  Speaker 1: episode and it was a whole thing, so go check
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  Speaker 1: that one out if you want to learn more about that.
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  Speaker 1: Sabine's armor that she forged when she got older was
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  Speaker 1: very unique, and she inherited a night owl's helmet, which
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't seen Rebels, you saw it on the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian Um. It's just kind of got like a distinct
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  Speaker 1: pattern on the helmet. She started her career at the
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  Speaker 1: Imperial Academy of Mandaloria, where she followed orders without question,
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  Speaker 1: though she did study up on some distractors, which got
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  Speaker 1: her into some trouble. As part of her time there,
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  Speaker 1: she built weapons that she believed would be used for peace. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of more complicated than that, but we'll say
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  Speaker 1: that she named one the Duchess after Satine and used
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  Speaker 1: best card to reinforce it, which is a big no
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  Speaker 1: no um. And this allowed for it to destroy best
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  Speaker 1: car armor uh and thus the people wearing it Mandalorians,
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  Speaker 1: something that was viewed as blasphemous to Mandalorian and yes,
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  Speaker 1: to her horror, these weapons were used against her people,
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  Speaker 1: including her family. This left her racked with guilt and
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  Speaker 1: she left Mandalore, an action that led to her being
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  Speaker 1: branded as a traitor by the Empire and by her mother, father,
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  Speaker 1: and brother, who her mother was the leader of Clan Wren.
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  Speaker 1: Her family paid a price for her desertion. Her father
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  Speaker 1: was held hostage by the Empire, while her mother and
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  Speaker 1: brother had to prove their loyalty by serving the Empire.
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  Speaker 1: Sabine was able to destroy the weapons she created, but
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  Speaker 1: the Empire was able to rebuild it using her research.
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  Speaker 1: For a while, she worked as a bountie hunter alongside
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  Speaker 1: katsu Ano, but She was eventually recruited to be a
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  Speaker 1: member of the Ghost Crew by Harris and Doulah and
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  Speaker 1: Jedied Canaan are Caleb from Bad Patch? Um? Why is yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Why is he Caleb and Canaan? Because I was very confused.
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  Speaker 1: I keep saying the two different names, and I was
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  Speaker 1: very confused. He's he kind of did a whole like
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  Speaker 1: I'm leaving this identity behind, I'm becoming someone else. Uh okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he just changed his name. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know that confused me to I don't know, is
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  Speaker 1: it the same person or is it not? Yes, it
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  Speaker 1: is unless they're going to pull some wild twists and
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  Speaker 1: spoiler dead. It's it's tragic. I mean, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that. I guess I should have put a
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  Speaker 1: spoiler alert at the time. I was spoiler alert for
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  Speaker 1: rebels because some men were and stuff. But yes, Harrison,
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  Speaker 1: Doula and Jedi Kanaan Jaris. She joins up with them
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  Speaker 1: after her and Anya had a falling out. Through this
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  Speaker 1: to being fought with them against the Empire, and she
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  Speaker 1: used her art to inspire hope and rebellion. She was
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  Speaker 1: on the Empire's most wanted list and was known as
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  Speaker 1: the Artist and on the Ghost she was Specter five.
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  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because a lot of these characters we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about Um from these shows everybody hated in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning. Everybody hated us Soak. In the beginning, people
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  Speaker 1: didn't like the Bean because they thought she was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like be into art makes her not
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  Speaker 1: interesting or it's very silly. Yeah, it didn't make any sense,
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  Speaker 1: but she Most of these characters did end up becoming
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  Speaker 1: fan favorites. But I just thought that was interesting because
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't heard actually of that kind of controversy, Like,
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  Speaker 1: but she's a painter, Okay, okay, interesting, interesting critique. The
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  Speaker 1: Bean and the Ghost crew went on all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: missions and caused all kinds of mischief, Frank, some enslaved
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  Speaker 1: people going undercover as an imperial to recruit pilots like
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  Speaker 1: Wedge Antilles. Um inspiring people to beings. Yeah, she really
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  Speaker 1: did inspire people with her art. They were reunions, betrayals.
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  Speaker 1: Working with Leah or Ghana, that was cool. Running into
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  Speaker 1: I when she was attempting to track down Darth Maul,
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  Speaker 1: the one time ruler mandel Or. She comes across the
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  Speaker 1: dark Saber on Dathomere, the planet of the Night Sisters.
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  Speaker 1: At first, she avoided the responsibility that comes with the
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  Speaker 1: Dark saber Um leading a planet and to people, because again, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you went in combat, then you're supposed to rule this
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  Speaker 1: planet and lead the people of Mandalorian. But another Mandalorian
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  Speaker 1: and Kanan convinced her to train with it to unite
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  Speaker 1: the Mandalorians and convinced them to join the rebellion against
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  Speaker 1: the Empire. She convinced her family that the Empire screwed
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  Speaker 1: them over and helped them kill the Imperial Vistory of
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  Speaker 1: Mandalori Gar Saxon, though she said this in the exchange,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I'll never yield to you, girl. You'll have
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  Speaker 1: to kill me, And she said that might be the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian way, but it's not my way, not any more dramatic.
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  Speaker 1: It was dramatic stuff. She supported her family during the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian Civil War before returning to the Ghost Crew just
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  Speaker 1: in time for Yes Kanan to die, though she still
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  Speaker 1: helps free the planet loth Old where he died. Before
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  Speaker 1: Kanan died, Yes, she did train with him and Ezra
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  Speaker 1: in order to wield the Dark Sabers, something she resented
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  Speaker 1: due to the baggage of her family and Mandalore, and
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  Speaker 1: she's just besieged with self doubt. She is gifted with
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  Speaker 1: some anti Jedi weapons and is able to beat Ezra,
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  Speaker 1: but is defeated by Canan, who tells her that while
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  Speaker 1: those weapons might help her then m Ben Eyes, she
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  Speaker 1: needs a lot more training. She admits to Ezra she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want responsibilities of the Dark Saber, that she was
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  Speaker 1: disgrace to her family. Canaan and Sabine are able to
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  Speaker 1: work more effectively on her training, and she confronts long
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  Speaker 1: hidden emotions bash she felt about working for the Empire,
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  Speaker 1: abandoning it, her family's estrangement, and how she hurt her
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  Speaker 1: planet through this. She is able to master the Dark Saber.
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  Speaker 1: So again, as we said, that's a teen one, the
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  Speaker 1: Kaiber Crystal, you have to work with it. You have
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  Speaker 1: to otherwise you're just fighting against it and it's never gonna,
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  Speaker 1: never gonna work correctly for you. After her success, she
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  Speaker 1: reunites and reconciles with her family, though they first attacked her.
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  Speaker 1: Her mother was a hard sell, expressing disappointment that her
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  Speaker 1: daughter joined the rebellion and that the Mark Saber is
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  Speaker 1: just a symbol, and on top of that, because she
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  Speaker 1: found it and didn't win it in a fight, she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have a rightful claim to it, which is that
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  Speaker 1: whole thing that's going on right now. She said she
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  Speaker 1: was disappointed in how Sabine had turned out who. Sabine
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  Speaker 1: discovers her mom is planning on selling out her Jedi
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  Speaker 1: friends and the Dark saber Um to the Empire and
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  Speaker 1: Clan Saxon. However, Clan Saxon sold her, her mother, and
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  Speaker 1: the family out for being traders. With the help of
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  Speaker 1: the Jedi and some allies, the family comes together to
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  Speaker 1: fight Clan Saxon so beIN briefly wielding a lightsaber. This
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  Speaker 1: is when she refuses to kill her challenger and that
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  Speaker 1: dramatic quote from above, as is Mandalorian tradition, but her
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  Speaker 1: mother does it instead to protect her. Through this, she
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  Speaker 1: gained the respect of her family. She stayed behind to
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  Speaker 1: help find the true leader of Mandalore. Clan Wren later
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  Speaker 1: provides support to the rebels, in part because her mother
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  Speaker 1: was moved by the loyalty the friends had to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Sabine and her brother, as you, her family and Sabine
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  Speaker 1: joyous forces with bo Katon Creese uh huh to destroy
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  Speaker 1: the weapons to being created once and for all. Sabine
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  Speaker 1: is captured and pressured too instead enhanced the weapon, but
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  Speaker 1: she programs it to target stormtrooper armor instead. Sabine gave
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  Speaker 1: bo Katan the Dark Saber, assuring her that she was
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  Speaker 1: the rightful leader, and the Mandolorians who witnessed this pledged
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  Speaker 1: their allegiance to the Katon. After that, the crew of
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  Speaker 1: the Ghosts joined up on Yavin with the Rebellion at large.
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  Speaker 1: They partnered with Sagarea for a minute uh and they
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  Speaker 1: were involved in that whole battle. And then at the
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  Speaker 1: end of rebels, she joins up with a Soka to
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  Speaker 1: go for Ezra who went missing in wild Space with Throng.
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  Speaker 1: So see how that goes. So this is supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be right before we see Darth Mall No, Darth Gideon.
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  Speaker 1: Who is that dude from Mandalorian Moth Gideons? Yeah, so close?
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  Speaker 1: Who has the Dark Saber? So this is after that
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  Speaker 1: is before then, right? But because Bokaton lost it to him, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and Bokaton was trying to go back and get it,
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  Speaker 1: but the Mandalorian got it instead, Yes, exactly, And I
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  Speaker 1: believe they actually haven't really detailed how she lost it.
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  Speaker 1: They've talked about it, but I don't think I think
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  Speaker 1: they're going to do a bigger thing. So they tinted
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  Speaker 1: at it, but they never really fully say. We just
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  Speaker 1: know she's really angry, and then she is the Fils
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  Speaker 1: defeated after a Manlian gets it. I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do. She can't take it a second time as
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  Speaker 1: a gift because she already took it one time as
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  Speaker 1: a gift, right, So that's kind of the bigger why
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  Speaker 1: she was so mad is because so being gave it
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  Speaker 1: to her. You're supposed to win it in combat. Technically,
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  Speaker 1: it's a being. Didn't win it in combat either. She
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  Speaker 1: found it um, I believe, and it was a further
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  Speaker 1: insult to injury that she lost it to an imperial
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  Speaker 1: moth giddy and in a fight, so he wonted, but
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  Speaker 1: she kind of there's kind of this talk around like
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  Speaker 1: the reason that happened is because they didn't do it
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  Speaker 1: correctly in the first place, and so that's why she
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  Speaker 1: was so determined it has to go this way. I
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  Speaker 1: will not do this again. No one will respect me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one will follow my leadership. And then kind
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  Speaker 1: of what's already happened. M right, then the Mandalorian gets it.
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  Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, it's going to be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot, a lot of threads that play here, right,
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  Speaker 1: don't give it to grog No, no, no, no, that
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  Speaker 1: would be interesting. That's thought he did. For a second.
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  Speaker 1: Dog has his own lightsaber, right, but then he gave
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  Speaker 1: it up. I think I have a theory that because
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  Speaker 1: I said, the person Tarbisla who made the Dark Saber
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  Speaker 1: was the first Jedi Mandalorian. So I think they're going
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  Speaker 1: to do something like that with Grogu. But I really
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  Speaker 1: don't know um going to be a Mandalorian. Now, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: he took a he took the armor. God is what that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think I mean he chose that path. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That means they're gonna like teach them to be to die.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna die either way. Because one really know what
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't turn out well for anybody. That's why so many,
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  Speaker 1: so many spoiler alerts. I apologize this has been a
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  Speaker 1: conversation that Annie and I have had before, so therefore
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch up again. Yes, so my bad
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  Speaker 1: for that ending. No, it's not good. I have so
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  Speaker 1: many thoughts I want to like really vent about some
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  Speaker 1: of my theories and thoughts, so I'm into it. I
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  Speaker 1: will say one thing I love about Sabine. She's pretty, Like,
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  Speaker 1: she's cool, and she's easy to She's very friendly and
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  Speaker 1: easy to talk to you. I really love for her
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  Speaker 1: in a SOCOs friendship. Yeah. I like that they like
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  Speaker 1: had each other's backs and she being is like no,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go with you. Me was one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: characters thus far. Again, good representation. Yea, um be she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just waiting for Ezra to come about. She was
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  Speaker 1: kind of leading that movement on her own. So I
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  Speaker 1: appreciated that. Yeah, she's a badass, and just because she's
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  Speaker 1: just graffiti doesn't mean I don't know why that negates
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  Speaker 1: her anymore. It would have been different if she had
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  Speaker 1: been the brother who had been that character. I think so,
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  Speaker 1: I personally think so. Then people were complaining about actually
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  Speaker 1: changes the hair her hair color, and like, okay, um
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  Speaker 1: she's got galactically punk, so what are you waiting? I
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  Speaker 1: think she's got a lot of good character arcs. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we really ran through a lot of stuff in there,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of drama, so yeah, I am interested to
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  Speaker 1: see the live action representation of her and how it
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  Speaker 1: goes and see what happens in the story. But well,
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  Speaker 1: in the meantime, Asoka is next, I promise of us.
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