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The Cat 5 2033 War The New Book From Former Asst Secretary Of Defense Bing West · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Is it right for me to say that this book
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  Speaker 1: scares the crap out of me like nineteen eighty four did?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God? Because I mean, God never gave me
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  Speaker 1: the body to go to war, But by God, I've
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  Speaker 1: got to sit here as a civilian of this nation
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  Speaker 1: and do all I can to prepare those in this
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  Speaker 1: nation to stay strong if something should go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Well, erro, we're putting ourselves into a heck of a
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  Speaker 2: corner and we're doing it. We're doing it out of
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  Speaker 2: I think, just genuine Huber's We think we can get
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  Speaker 2: away with it, and we can't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the part that scares me
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  Speaker 1: the most because we're at that point in life where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, ah, all right, let him do it. If
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  Speaker 1: it falls, it falls, we'll just pick it back up.
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  Speaker 1: But I have to wonder how many more people do
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  Speaker 1: we have to put Humpty dumpty back together again?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I basically wrote the book, because I
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  Speaker 2: was in all those wars on the front lines, but
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  Speaker 2: I also was the assistant secretary and you going to
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  Speaker 2: the White House, etc. And I asked myself, how is
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  Speaker 2: it that we win the battles and lose the wars? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: And I concluded that after years of spending time on this,
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  Speaker 2: it was because our policymakers have this attitude that you
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  Speaker 2: just indicated, well, we can always put it back together again.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, at the top.
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  Speaker 2: The failing was we were so wealthy, we're so powerful
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  Speaker 2: that once the other side understands that they won't fight us.
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  Speaker 3: When you go into the White House and you.
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  Speaker 2: Go down that corridor to enter the Oval office, the
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  Speaker 2: majesty of the power infuses you when you're walking down
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  Speaker 2: that very, very thick carpet and you're looking at those
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  Speaker 2: portraits by hands or Adams and the others of our vista,
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  Speaker 2: and then you walk into that White House, you do
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  Speaker 2: get the feeling you are with the masters of the universe.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a dangerous feeling because then you get this idea.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, President Trump, you know, hitting Iran, killing
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  Speaker 2: some of their leaders, and then assuming well, now the
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  Speaker 2: entire government's going to fall, you begin to think you're
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  Speaker 2: so powerful. Once other people realize how powerful you are,
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  Speaker 2: they'll just roll over.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's not the case. But that attitude.
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  Speaker 2: That attitude has crept in and in Congress is classic
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  Speaker 2: on it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, ready for this.
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  Speaker 2: Two hundred million Americans receive entitlements in pay and services
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  Speaker 2: more than they pay in taxes.
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  Speaker 3: Two hundred million.
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  Speaker 2: And you can say, well, how can you have a
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  Speaker 2: budget like that, Well, the answer is we don't. We
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  Speaker 2: borrow two trillion dollars a year. And the reason we
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  Speaker 2: borrow two trillion a year, as the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: world says, well, America is so wealthy, they will repair us.
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  Speaker 2: But at some point you keep doing this and you
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  Speaker 2: keep adding to your debt. And I call it the
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty three war. That's going to occur about our
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  Speaker 2: debt is that at some point the bond holders say
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  Speaker 2: I need more money and yield because you're a big
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  Speaker 2: risk and we don't have that money. And it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a huge, huge fight that's going to occur
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  Speaker 2: sometime under the next president.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen elements of that right now, because I'm starting
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  Speaker 1: to see, well, we're running out of this, we're running
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  Speaker 1: out of that, We're gonna have to get the money
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  Speaker 1: for this. And so I think maybe that's why this
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  Speaker 1: book scares me so much, because I'm starting to see
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  Speaker 1: the evidence right now of what you're unveiling. I've just
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  Speaker 1: needed you to show me the way.
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  Speaker 2: It It's it's absolutely exasperating. But the fact is that
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  Speaker 2: the Congress still continues to say, well we can, we
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  Speaker 2: can run up more borrowing and it's never going to
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  Speaker 2: come back to bite us in the fanny. They they
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  Speaker 2: they're getting away with it, but at some point you
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  Speaker 2: don't get away with it anymore. I mean, they're just
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  Speaker 2: piling out stuff that makes no sense. But they have
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  Speaker 2: to be don careful, and they don't. They don't seem
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  Speaker 2: to care. They really don't. And not one of them
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  Speaker 2: will come out and admit, you can't just continue to
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  Speaker 2: borrow more and more and more money because at some point,
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  Speaker 2: the person giving you that money is going to say,
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  Speaker 2: I want to hire a return on investment. And once
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  Speaker 2: that happens, Once that happens, then you have a real crunch.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this question. And if you
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  Speaker 1: don't have permission to say it, I understand. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: look at how the billionaires that are helping out with
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  Speaker 1: this current administration. It's almost like they're all checking in saying,
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  Speaker 1: I've been giving you the money, It's time for me
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  Speaker 1: to show up because obviously those before you couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: Could you elaborate just a little bit of it?
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  Speaker 1: In other words, there's a lot of rich people making
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  Speaker 1: decisions in this country right now, people that could have
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  Speaker 1: made that money, that monetary donation, that could have been
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  Speaker 1: involved somehow, and now they're saying, where's my return. If
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  Speaker 1: you can't give me a return, I'm going to participate
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  Speaker 1: and run this monkey like a dang ship.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly wish our president not idolized gold the way.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, you're right, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: The tone that he has set, I think is wrong
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  Speaker 2: for America, and that does that does lead all these
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  Speaker 2: hangers on to say, what's in it for me? And
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  Speaker 2: once you get that kind of attitude going, it's frightening,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not it's un American. You know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: what President Reagan, it's certainly not what President Washington, President
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  Speaker 2: President Lincoln, President Truman. I don't like it. Nothing I
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  Speaker 2: can do about it. And I'm not praising the other
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  Speaker 2: side either, But you shouldn't be so grasping for money.
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  Speaker 1: And then you throw the Chinese into the I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we're taught as martial artists learn
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  Speaker 1: to love all living things, there is no judgment. And
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, all this stuff is happening
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  Speaker 1: right before your eyes and you can see it everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and you're going, how am I supposed to react to this?
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  Speaker 1: Which is why, once again why your book Cat. Five
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  Speaker 1: is very important to just study, to be able to
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  Speaker 1: put a part into your life that you can understand
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  Speaker 1: the presence of reality.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, Well, I indicate with China that chaman Z is
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  Speaker 2: an absolute autocrat. He shares no values with us whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Anna is our adversary, it is not our partner. And
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  Speaker 2: Z has promised his people that he is going to
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  Speaker 2: get hold of Taiwan before he dies, and by twenty
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  Speaker 2: thirty three, he'll be eighty, and if we get our
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  Speaker 2: debt in a tango by then, it will that gives
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  Speaker 2: him the opportunity to put a blockade on Taiwan the
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  Speaker 2: way Iran did on Humus, and say to the United
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  Speaker 2: States that will have a weak military, are you going
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  Speaker 2: to sacrifice ten thousand or twenty thousand sailors for the
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  Speaker 2: sake of this small island. So I point out in
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  Speaker 2: the book that's a real question, and we can avoid
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  Speaker 2: that if the Navy changes dramatically what they're doing, but
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  Speaker 2: they probably won't.
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  Speaker 3: And that is, instead of buying.
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  Speaker 2: More carriers and battleships that are legacy relics from World
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  Speaker 2: War Two, that will be nothing but targets by two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and forty, two thousand and fifty, with space being
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  Speaker 2: able to see everything that we should, the Navy should
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  Speaker 2: be shifting to drones and unmanned vessels. And then basically,
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  Speaker 2: if Chairman Z threatens Taiwan, then we say, well, our
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  Speaker 2: first line of defense is not to lose our sailors.
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  Speaker 2: We have these unmanned vessels with hundreds of thousands of drones,
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  Speaker 2: and you cannot yet to Taiwan. But that means on
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  Speaker 2: Navy would have to change dramatically where they're putting the
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  Speaker 2: money they're getting from Congress.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't move. There's more with bing West coming up
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  Speaker 1: next the name of the book CAT five, the two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and thirty three War. We are back with bing West.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see this book Cat five, The two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and thirty three War as being a step of awareness?
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  Speaker 1: Because I do, and because I mean, there are many
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  Speaker 1: and maybe maybe it's just my age, but I was
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  Speaker 1: that teenage kid in nineteen seventy nine that thought he
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  Speaker 1: was going over to Iran as it was because that's
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  Speaker 1: what was going on in the world. And out of
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  Speaker 1: high school you're going to be drafted. So this has
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  Speaker 1: been with me for all of these years, and then
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  Speaker 1: it feels like it's just going to continue forward. But
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  Speaker 1: at least you're talking about it in nineteen seventy nine,
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  Speaker 1: being they didn't talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: No, And the clock is running down, yes, running down.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just I mean, anyone in high school, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the second or third grade, you're taught
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  Speaker 2: you're basic arithmetic. If you keep spending more money than
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  Speaker 2: you have at some particular point, whoever's giving you that
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  Speaker 2: extra money is going to say you've run out of money,
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  Speaker 2: and that's exactly what we're doing. So before twenty thirty three,
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  Speaker 2: the Cat five hurricane is going to be when people
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  Speaker 2: won't give us the money and you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: a huge fight in Congress with all the congress people
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  Speaker 2: blaming each other for it, and that gives China the openings.
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  Speaker 2: So it's going to happen. It's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like you're playing a game of check inside
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  Speaker 1: this book, and what you're doing is you're revealing your
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  Speaker 1: secrets before you hit that time clock, before they make
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  Speaker 1: the next move. So you're making us aware of what
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  Speaker 1: we need to be staring at.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to do. But part of me,
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean he's cynical. Yeah, but let me start
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  Speaker 2: with the great historian Toynbee who looked at thirty one
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  Speaker 2: civilizations over the course of his lifetime, and he came
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  Speaker 2: to the following conclusion. He said, no great civilization has
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  Speaker 2: been murdered. They all commit suicide. In other words, they
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  Speaker 2: all become so inimate of their own power, they overspend
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  Speaker 2: their money, They basically take care of their entitlements, they
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  Speaker 2: forget what they're there for, and they forget their dynamism,
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  Speaker 2: and they gradually fade. Rome Rome and its peak power
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  Speaker 2: didn't have enough money coming in, so it began to
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  Speaker 2: shave the silver coins, just take a little more silver
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  Speaker 2: off each coin so they could print more coins. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they got away with that for about seventy years, until
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the silver coins were such a.
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  Speaker 3: Wafer thin that no one would.
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  Speaker 2: Use them for trade, and the Roman legions walked off
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  Speaker 2: the job because they weren't paid anymore. It happened a
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  Speaker 2: little bit at a time. But we are doing the
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  Speaker 2: same thing as a great civilization. We're living off our entitlements,
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  Speaker 2: and at some point the piper is called for us,
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  Speaker 2: just like for everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: And the Congress knows it. They know it.
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  Speaker 2: But if any congressman said what I'm saying, he'd be
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  Speaker 2: savaged by the other congresspeople and he wouldn't be elected.
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  Speaker 3: That's the problem. It's a real problem.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't that problem also include the consumer? The American Oh
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  Speaker 1: they'll fix it. We're okay, because I mean what the
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  Speaker 1: economy has its being for the past couple of years. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just continue spending more money. Well we'll get out
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  Speaker 1: of this, because spending money is how we we make peace.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, I almost feel like that we should
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  Speaker 1: be blaming ourselves too.
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  Speaker 4: I don't. I, you know, I if you're the average American,
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  Speaker 4: you you have to have faith then in the people
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  Speaker 4: that you've elected.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. And if you.
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  Speaker 2: Elect the wrong person for the wrong reasons, and you
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  Speaker 2: probably deserve what's going to happen to you. So I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I look at what they've done in New
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  Speaker 2: York City. It's almost like everyone voting for you're going
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  Speaker 2: to give me something for nothing. That's a bad attitude
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  Speaker 2: for America. I don't think the average American has that attitude.
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  Speaker 2: But if more and more of them get that attitude,
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  Speaker 2: then you have a gradual slippery slope toward gentle socialism
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  Speaker 2: called Argentina, where you just print money and the millionaires
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  Speaker 2: they're safe because they have so much money they can continue.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the millionaires in Argentina weren't affected by the
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  Speaker 2: fact that everything inflation ran away with everything because they
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  Speaker 2: already had their money. The riigopoli was okay, but the
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  Speaker 2: people in the end were really hurt. But the people
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  Speaker 2: in the end had voted in to hurt themselves. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. We're going to find out over the
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  Speaker 2: next over the next eight years, what American the American
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  Speaker 2: people think about themselves.
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  Speaker 1: What is your inside gut feeling with the way that
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  Speaker 1: we are constantly and endlessly reminded of how we failed,
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  Speaker 1: how we failed in Afghanistan. All of a sudden, you
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  Speaker 1: hear so many fail fail fails, and you do start
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  Speaker 1: losing that oof to keep going as a group of people.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, what is your feeling on that? Because
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  Speaker 1: we as a people, I don't think that we have
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  Speaker 1: the stamina to be able to afford to put this
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  Speaker 1: country back together, because we're gonna have to break in
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  Speaker 1: order to pull ourselves together.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, me too, me.
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  Speaker 2: Too genuinely, I genuine well. The issue will come to Congress.
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  Speaker 2: Congress controls the budget. Congress controls the amount of money
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  Speaker 2: that is put into circulation in the United States. So
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  Speaker 2: all roads lead back to Congress and Congress. When you
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  Speaker 2: look at it today is two warring tribes. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: there are those who believe that when the crunch comes,
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  Speaker 2: that we will see a new system. We will see
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  Speaker 2: many Americans saying enough of this, a majority of Americans
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  Speaker 2: saying we're going to straighten out. That's what some people
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  Speaker 2: are gambling will happen, but it won't happen by compromise
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  Speaker 2: ahead of time. You can see that there's no way
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to compromise before the crunch hits.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things. And I don't want to forget
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  Speaker 1: this at all, And it should have been at the
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  Speaker 1: start of the conversation. Is I love what you did
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  Speaker 1: in the very beginning of the book where you honor
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  Speaker 1: every single man and woman that you've been with. And
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  Speaker 1: I have never seen anything like that before. And I
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  Speaker 1: felt like that my father's presence was part of that.
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, see, son, this is how you do it.
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  Speaker 1: You work as one, you share as one, you don't divide,
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  Speaker 1: you continue to grow forward. And that right there gave
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  Speaker 1: me a dad moment. Inside your book.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Erro.
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  Speaker 2: I did dedicated it to the thirty three gruss that
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  Speaker 2: I had fought with in three wars that died thirty
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  Speaker 2: three that I knew, you know quite well. I patrol
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  Speaker 2: with them, I'd eat with them, I'd laugh with them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we'd share the rain, we'd share the sleet
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  Speaker 2: everything together, and gradually, war after war, the number that
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  Speaker 2: I was good friends with I amounted to.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty three that I knew quite well.
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  Speaker 2: When we walked into my first village, fifteen of us
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  Speaker 2: walked into the village, and thirteen months later eight of
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  Speaker 2: us walked out when I lost seven in one village.
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  Speaker 3: And it did cause me in writing.
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  Speaker 2: This book, when I explained to people what it's like
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  Speaker 2: to be in these fights, to.
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  Speaker 3: Get more than a little bit angry.
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  Speaker 2: At the White House those at the top who didn't
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  Speaker 2: have that dedication.
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  Speaker 3: It's one thing to go and say, oh, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 3: that you.
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  Speaker 2: Lost a loved one, but it's another to think you
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  Speaker 2: at the top, you have to think that you have
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  Speaker 2: a bloody axe in your hand, just like you want
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  Speaker 2: us grunts to have it, and you have that same
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to hit and I am going to kill
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  Speaker 2: the enemy. You can't send us out to die without
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  Speaker 2: you having the same resolve. But when you get into
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  Speaker 2: the White House, all of that changes too much, and
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  Speaker 2: they forget the resolution they need. It certainly was not
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  Speaker 2: true with President Lincoln during the Civil War. It was
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  Speaker 2: not true of President Roosevelt during World War Two.
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  Speaker 3: They were committed, but after that.
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  Speaker 2: We began this slide that we're so wealthy we really
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  Speaker 2: don't have to fight all our might and it's not
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  Speaker 2: turning out well.
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  Speaker 1: Being That reminds me so much of that story of Charleston.
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  Speaker 1: That war was taking place over there on that island
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  Speaker 1: and everybody was up on their rooftops watching that war
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  Speaker 1: take place. That has always been a sick place in
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  Speaker 1: my heart. And to hear that, and to go back
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  Speaker 1: to Charleston over and over again to hear that, it's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not who we are as a people, but it
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  Speaker 1: is how we've done things.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we are the greatest civilization, maybe the greatest
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  Speaker 2: civilization the world has ever seen, because we definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Have an ideology to bring.
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  Speaker 2: Of liberty for the individual and of democracy, that the
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  Speaker 2: government is of the people, by the people, and for
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  Speaker 2: the people, and that is sacred and I hope, I
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  Speaker 2: certainly hope that we will never change that. And when
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  Speaker 2: we are push under the next president, as we will be, sir,
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  Speaker 2: all back that a majority of us still believe.
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  Speaker 1: That, Yeah, where can people go to find out more
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  Speaker 1: about everything you're doing? And if you're doing any speaking,
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  Speaker 1: I invite listeners to go and hear your passion and
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  Speaker 1: your courage.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that very much.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Rol. I'm I'm just an old grunt waiting for the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: next wor. The commandant of the Commandant in the Marine
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Corps said that we are never dismissed from service until
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: we are ninety nine, and I haven't gotten yet.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I love you so much. Please come back to this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: show anytime in the future. The door is always going
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to be open.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: For you, sir. Thank you, Errol, thank you very much.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And thank you for continuing to serve this nation. We
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: are so proud of you.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you.