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Willow-Jean Prime: Labour's Children Spokesperson on the drop in youth reoffending · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Ten. Right now, the government's panning itself on the back
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  Speaker 1: for the new youth crime data. Serious offending down fourteen
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  Speaker 1: percent in two years, Northland down forty percent, Tasman thirty
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  Speaker 1: six percent, Wellington twenty eight percent, in Auckland down fourteen percent.
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  Speaker 1: Ram raids almost nonexistent. Karen Shaw says kids no longer reckon,
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  Speaker 1: they're above the law. Willow Jene Primers, Labour's Children spokesperson,
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  Speaker 1: good morning, Good morning, Mornina. Good to have you on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Is this something to celebrate?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it is definitely something to celebrate when we are
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  Speaker 2: seeing less young people offending. But what I thought was
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  Speaker 2: remarkable was that the government is claiming that this is
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  Speaker 2: all down to things that they have done.
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  Speaker 1: Is it not?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not, because if you look at what they
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  Speaker 2: are celebrating, they are basically saying that it is because
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  Speaker 2: of programs like their boot camps, which we know have
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  Speaker 2: been in abject failure with seven out of the nine
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  Speaker 2: young people re What they really need to let New
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  Speaker 2: Zealanders know is they have carried on programs that were
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  Speaker 2: started under Labor, which was the circuit Breaker program. It
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  Speaker 2: had an over seventy five percent success rate. They have
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  Speaker 2: continued to fund that and they have expanded it. So
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  Speaker 2: what their pr doesn't say is actually it was things
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  Speaker 2: that Labor had introduced that is contributing to this reduction
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  Speaker 2: in youth offending.
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  Speaker 1: Does it matter where an idea came from. If I've
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  Speaker 1: continued funding it, that's not a success.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just think it would help if they were
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  Speaker 2: more honest with New Zealanders and actually told them that
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  Speaker 2: this is something that Labor had started, that they could
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  Speaker 2: see the benefit, and that they had decided to continue
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  Speaker 2: and to expand. But instead they are claiming that this
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  Speaker 2: is a success because of things like their failed boot
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  Speaker 2: camp experiment, which like I said, had seven out of
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  Speaker 2: nine of the young people reoffend, and they are continuing
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  Speaker 2: to fund significantly millions of dollars and entrenching it into
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  Speaker 2: legislation when they know it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: What does Labor believe that in the idea of deterrent
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  Speaker 1: that you know, the tough talk on crime, the penalties
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  Speaker 1: for serious recidivist offending and the threat of a boot camp,
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  Speaker 1: that that actually can act as a deterrent to young people,
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  Speaker 1: That young people are smart enough to work out that
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  Speaker 1: this government won't let them take the mickey.
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  Speaker 2: I think we haven't seen any evidence that suggests that
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  Speaker 2: that actually is a significant contributor to it. What we
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  Speaker 2: know and what they are funding are programs like Circuit Breaker,
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  Speaker 2: which they have extended, which is an intensive wrap around
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  Speaker 2: interventions with young people as early as possible, and that
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  Speaker 2: is what is having the most success in over seventy
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  Speaker 2: five percent success rate. So I think that is what
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  Speaker 2: we need to understand is contributing to this reduction in crime.
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  Speaker 1: If you want them to take response to give you
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  Speaker 1: credit for the drop, will you take responsibility for the
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  Speaker 1: fact it went up so dramatically under your watch In
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  Speaker 1: the first place, it.
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  Speaker 2: Is clear from the data and the statistics that there
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  Speaker 2: was a spike of youth crime under labor And I
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  Speaker 2: think what we want credit for is that we were,
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  Speaker 2: in fact trying to address that and doing something about it,
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  Speaker 2: and that the programs.
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  Speaker 1: You take it in place. Do you take accountability didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Do you take accountability time, Oh, I haven't heard it yet.
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  Speaker 1: Do you take accountability for the fact that it went
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  Speaker 1: up so dramatically under your watch?
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  Speaker 2: What we take accountability for is that we did something
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  Speaker 2: about it, and that that that what we introduced has
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  Speaker 2: been successful in this government has carried it on. I
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  Speaker 2: think they should give us more credits. But we didn't
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  Speaker 2: hear it yesterday in the House and we didn't see
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  Speaker 2: the pr.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, how'd your meeting go with Ereka Stamford? Are you
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  Speaker 1: going to work together?
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  Speaker 2: So we had quite a long conversation about NCAA and
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  Speaker 2: the concerns that I'm hearing from the sector. It's really
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  Speaker 2: over to the minute for now to respond to those
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  Speaker 2: significant concerns that are there with her proposal.
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  Speaker 1: Willow Jean Prime appreciate your time this morning. That's Labour's
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  Speaker 1: children's spokesperson. For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge.
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