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Joel Anderson on How The Brendan Sorsby Case EXPOSES College Football’s Biggest Problem | 06.18 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to with Joe, but
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  Speaker 1: I want to start with this Brendan Sorsby situation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you and I actually have not talked as much
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  Speaker 1: about this. And so I'm curious what you think, because
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  Speaker 1: for those who don't know, Brendan Sorsby, and we talked
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  Speaker 1: about this on the pod before, but Brendan Sorsby was
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  Speaker 1: quarterback at the University of Cincinnati. He got caught gambling.
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  Speaker 1: He gambled a lot. It appears, though, that Cincinnati knew
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  Speaker 1: about his gambling two years before they did anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: He got caught. He went. He got treatment. He transfers
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  Speaker 1: to Texas Tech. They gave him a boatload of cash
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  Speaker 1: to play there. The NCAA tried to ban him permanently.
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  Speaker 1: a court in Texas said, ah, not today. And they
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  Speaker 1: gave him a temporary injunction and basically college football in
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  Speaker 1: some total revolted against Texas Tech. He had school teams
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  Speaker 1: saying that they would not play against them. The entire
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  Speaker 1: Big 12 basically tried to kick them out and boycott
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  Speaker 1: the idea of playing against them. It's a long story,
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  Speaker 1: but the attorney general of the state of Texas named
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  Speaker 1: Ken Paxson, the dude that's running for Senate, he basically
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  Speaker 1: made some kind of low key threat that then gave
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  Speaker 1: the grounds for the big 12 to take this into
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  Speaker 1: federal court and get the injunction overturned. And the filing
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  Speaker 1: apparently was so overwhelming that Texas tech said, nevermind. He's not,
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  Speaker 1: we'll go, we'll give the kid his money. Cause they
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  Speaker 1: have to, they got a contract. He's eligible to play.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll give him his money, but he's not going
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  Speaker 1: to play there. But now he's going to drop his
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit because that will make him ineligible again. And if
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  Speaker 1: he's ineligible again, He then perhaps qualifies for the supplemental
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  Speaker 1: draft in the NFL. And that's where this is going. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it is so much that is going on there. I
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  Speaker 1: personally felt like maybe we need to reevaluate the idea
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  Speaker 1: that someone of that age getting caught doing what he did,
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  Speaker 1: which involved gambling on his own team, just to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't see anywhere where anybody thought that he
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  Speaker 1: himself was a true integrity threat, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. I am not comfortable with the idea
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  Speaker 1: of the colleges doing the you got to go forever
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like I see that a little more with the NFL
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  Speaker 1: because we're dealing with full on professionals and full on adults.
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  Speaker 1: With somebody like Sorsby, I am a little less comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with it, but I am amazed that there have been many,
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  Speaker 1: many times for all these colleges to gang up on
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  Speaker 1: the side or right of something. And this is the
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  Speaker 1: only time they ever did.
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  Speaker 2: The only time I've ever seen colleges make this particular
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  Speaker 2: sort of stand where it's like, we not playing y'all
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  Speaker 2: is when they were holding the color line. Y'all had
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  Speaker 2: a Negro on your team. We not doing that.
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  Speaker 1: But not all the college did that.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: That was just regional.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Right. They couldn't get a consensus on that. And
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  Speaker 2: like a few schools didn't want to play San Jose
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  Speaker 2: State in the last couple of years. They had a
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  Speaker 2: trans woman play on their team. It's a lot of schools.
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  Speaker 2: But other than that, I was not aware the colleges
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  Speaker 2: could make this sort of a stand. on something.
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  Speaker 1: Every single one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh man, this is the thing
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  Speaker 2: that has outraged the most.
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  Speaker 1: Have we ever seen a level of outrage? I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it was me and Stephen Godfrey all one. Me,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Godfrey and Cody Campbell. Cody Campbell is the benefactor
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  Speaker 1: of Texas Tech Athletics. It was us three over here
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  Speaker 1: and it was the world. It's the meme where the
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  Speaker 1: dude pull out the sword and all the horses are
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  Speaker 1: coming at him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, so on my show, Ringer Tailgate
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  Speaker 2: It comes out on Wednesday. You know, I talked about
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  Speaker 2: this last week and a lot of people got mad
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  Speaker 2: at me because I think we we align on this basically.
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  Speaker 2: But the one thing about it is that, yes, like
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  Speaker 2: if college sports are going to engage in gambling like
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  Speaker 2: they just in the last year, they had reduced the
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  Speaker 2: penalty against athletes for like they allowed it so that
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  Speaker 2: they could vote. a bet on other sports.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like they're the ones that say, it's kind of cool.
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  Speaker 2: You can, if you're going to bet, like you could
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  Speaker 2: do it. You want to bet on Australian rules, football, cricket,
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  Speaker 2: whatever else. We'll, we'll loosen up the penalties on that.
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  Speaker 2: So go ahead and do it if you want to.
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  Speaker 2: And these are the guys, like the thing about Brendan
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  Speaker 2: Soresby is he is right in the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: demographic that is most vulnerable to gambling addiction. Yes. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like I, we, I wrote about this a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago when I was at Slate. about like the
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  Speaker 2: danger of gambling and it was taken as like, you
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  Speaker 2: got basically a casino on your phone and these kids
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  Speaker 2: don't know, you know, like this is a totally different,
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  Speaker 2: they could be addicted to social media. So imagine the
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  Speaker 2: ability to play games of chance with something that they're
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  Speaker 2: really interested in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is what I was saying. I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: to cut you off. I didn't say this right fast.
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  Speaker 1: We're putting the most addictive thing inside of the most
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  Speaker 1: addictive thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It just doesn't. So I thought that was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit hypocritical. But the other thing about it that
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  Speaker 2: I really thought is that Brendan Sorsby was not accused
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  Speaker 2: of throwing games. Brendan Sorsby was not accused of betting
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  Speaker 2: against his team. Maybe there were two occasions, but they
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  Speaker 2: did not impact the outcome and they were not based
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  Speaker 2: on things that would have impacted the outcome of the game. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so people were saying, oh, man, this is a
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  Speaker 2: precedent that is going to challenge the integrity of the games.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you do not actually believe that. You cannot.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way that anybody thinks that because a judge
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  Speaker 2: in Fort Worth issued a temporary injunction saying, hey, maybe
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  Speaker 2: Brenda Sorsby has a point here and I want to
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  Speaker 2: know more about it. And that you thought that, oh, man,
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  Speaker 2: there's going to be a whole bunch of other players
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  Speaker 2: that are going to decide, well, shit, maybe I'll bet
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  Speaker 2: on my team and all these other games are going
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  Speaker 2: to be in question. People do not actually believe that.
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  Speaker 2: That is stupid. And if anybody sits down and think
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  Speaker 2: about it for one second, you would know that you
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  Speaker 2: don't believe that because there's no way that you're going
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  Speaker 2: to look at a football game in October and be like, oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby played in it. How can I be sure
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  Speaker 2: that this game was on the level? I just don't
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  Speaker 2: believe that people actually think like that because if they
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  Speaker 2: did look just this year, earlier this year, there was
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  Speaker 2: a huge federal investigation into basketball players, literally throwing games,
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  Speaker 2: literally throwing games, like, like, like almost 20 schools over
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  Speaker 2: like 30 games or something like that. And so like
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  Speaker 2: they had evidence, really strong evidence that these guys were
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  Speaker 2: actually impacting the outcomes of games and Two months later,
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  Speaker 2: we had the NCAA tournament. Nobody was like, well, shit,
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  Speaker 2: how can I be sure that these games are on
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  Speaker 2: the level? Nobody said anything about that. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: I thought. Like, I just thought the outrage was just
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  Speaker 2: sort of ridiculous to me because no people don't actually
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  Speaker 2: believe that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would also make this point about the throwing
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  Speaker 1: games because that's the thing about betting on your own
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  Speaker 1: team in large part. Like, Pete Rose's thing about him
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  Speaker 1: betting on his own team was like, but always bet
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  Speaker 1: on us to win. Right. Right. I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing about the idea of betting on your
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  Speaker 1: own team or just the idea of the integrity threat, right? Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you who cannot get away with throwing
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  Speaker 1: no game ever. Brendan Soresby.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, man. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, because let me tell you something. Here's the thing
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  Speaker 1: about people throwing games. When you found out that somebody
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  Speaker 1: was throwing a game, you knew exactly what it was
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  Speaker 1: when you watched it.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? You get away with throwing games when people don't
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  Speaker 1: think that you would do such a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: He's not on the... We got questions. You understand what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to be all... If anything ever comes up about, gee,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if Brendan Sorensen was throwing a game, just
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  Speaker 1: put it on the videotape. And then it goes from there.
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  Speaker 2: Now, look.
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  Speaker 1: I am, I don't say it on the air, but
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  Speaker 1: I could be a little, I don't want to say reckless.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say bold with my belief when I
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  Speaker 1: am watching a fix or I believe that I am
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  Speaker 1: watching a fix. I have a tendency to look and
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's a fix, but I see it
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  Speaker 1: in refs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yep, yep, yep. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I have two games in particular that I'll always remember
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  Speaker 1: that I looked at and thought, oh, man, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like there's a fix involved. One time, I was doing
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  Speaker 1: Jim Rome's show. Jim Rome is burning. And so we
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  Speaker 1: would do that show. It was in March, and the
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  Speaker 1: conference tournaments would always come on right before. So it
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  Speaker 1: would always be some conference tournament that cuts into our
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  Speaker 1: time and leads in, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was the Big East tournament, and I ain't never
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  Speaker 1: seen a more obvious fix in my life where, like,
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  Speaker 1: The game was ending and a dude had the ball
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  Speaker 1: and was jumping up and down like he was in
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  Speaker 1: the pocket. Like bouncing. The refs ain't called nothing. They
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  Speaker 1: let that clock ran out and them refs ran out
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  Speaker 1: of there faster than anything I had ever seen. And
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  Speaker 1: it was like so crazy that once it was done
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  Speaker 1: and we come to gym, gym like, yo, what was that?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like all I'm saying is
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  Speaker 1: when cats are really out here shaving points or throwing,
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  Speaker 1: it's not that subtle. That's kind of how they get caught.
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  Speaker 1: This guy can't get away with anything. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: with him, if they wanted to, they could have turned
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  Speaker 1: this into a for real cautionary tale situation. You could
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  Speaker 1: have sent him out to all the high schools to
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  Speaker 1: explain the whole thing, all it was. But I think
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  Speaker 1: to me, rather than reckon with what we have and
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  Speaker 1: engage in some nuanced thought and maybe a shifting paradigm
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  Speaker 1: in terms of how we handle these things, everybody's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what would make it a lot easier? If
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  Speaker 1: we just kick this motherfucker out of here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I just think that is a very, I
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't say it's an American thing because I can't speak
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  Speaker 2: to like, you know, what other countries are like, but
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  Speaker 2: we believe in two things. We believe in punishing the
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  Speaker 2: fuck out of people.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And we still believe that like deterrence works. And like,
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  Speaker 2: there's been reams of research that have shown over the
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  Speaker 2: years that like the idea that if somebody is bound
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  Speaker 2: and determined to do something like that, the scale of
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  Speaker 2: the punishment does not really matter. What matters is if
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  Speaker 2: they think they're going to get caught, not if not
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  Speaker 2: what the punishment is going to be. And so I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like banishing Brendan Sorsby does nothing to protect your
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  Speaker 2: game's from integrity threats because the guys that are doing
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  Speaker 2: it don't think they're going to get caught. They don't
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  Speaker 2: believe that anybody's watching them. They think they can do
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  Speaker 2: it sort of in secrecy and it'll be fine. But
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  Speaker 2: for me, when I played or whatever, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't play in college, for real, for real.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying? I was... But I
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  Speaker 2: would have been like.
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  Speaker 1: But you're on the team. Let's be clear so people understand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was on the team. But I would
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  Speaker 2: have never thought that I would be able to get
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  Speaker 2: away with it. I'd be like, oh, I'll be the
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  Speaker 2: motherfucker that'll fuck that up. I'll get caught, right? And
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  Speaker 2: so I just don't... The idea that Brendan Stewart.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I.
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  Speaker 2: If you think Brendan Soaresby needed to miss some games,
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  Speaker 2: I totally get it. I understand it, and I could
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  Speaker 2: be down with that. But I also thought that it
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  Speaker 2: would have been more useful if he had been able
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  Speaker 2: to be at Texas Tech, advocate, talk to these kids
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  Speaker 2: and people in his cohort that are vulnerable to this
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  Speaker 2: sort of thing. And then tried to come back from
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  Speaker 2: it because people were like, Brendan Sorsby didn't get punished.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing happened to him. Bro, do you do you really
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  Speaker 2: want to be Brendan Sorsby? Do you want to have
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  Speaker 2: his name for the rest of his life right now?
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  Speaker 2: This is what people are going to remember him for
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  Speaker 2: for a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this question. And I was
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  Speaker 1: wondering if you were curious about this like I was.
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  Speaker 1: You ain't have to wait until this court decision to
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with him going to Texas Tech. like
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  Speaker 1: was it simply that like we know he was going
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  Speaker 1: to be there.
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  Speaker 2: For a while yeah right his girlfriend is down there
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  Speaker 2: at Texas Tech that's what it is that was allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah interesting decision making process and they gave him millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars just.
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  Speaker 2: To be clear oh yeah the five million plus or
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  Speaker 2: whatever probably helped.
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  Speaker 1: Yes supposedly allegedly but like you could have put this
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  Speaker 1: fight up immediately like you didn't I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It just felt so reactionary. I think that
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  Speaker 1: was the thing about it in the moment is it
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  Speaker 1: felt so reactionary. And I just couldn't believe that in
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  Speaker 1: no moment did anybody stop and take a breath and
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  Speaker 1: be like, all right, let's think about what we got
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  Speaker 1: going on here. And that didn't happen. Like you did
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  Speaker 1: an interview with Jeffrey Kessler, his attorney, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. We talked to him for Tailgate.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. What did he have to say?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think his big thing was that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know the facts of the case.
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  Speaker 2: And I heard you talk about it on the show
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  Speaker 2: last week, is that the judge in this case found
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  Speaker 2: that the NCAA is not following its own rules. Like,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, that they're like- Which.
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  Speaker 1: Is, by the way, the same thing in the Trinidad
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  Speaker 1: Chambliss case. It's the same argument.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. The president here is not Brendan Sorsby. The
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  Speaker 2: president is Diego Pavia. about how they're sort of loose
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  Speaker 2: and half-baked with how they go about imposing their eligibility rules.
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  Speaker 2: And so people can find ways to challenge them. This
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  Speaker 2: was a part of that. But also to your point,
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  Speaker 2: like he said, it's like, oh, the NCAA says we
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  Speaker 2: care about athletes. Part of your mission is taking care
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  Speaker 2: of them. well, this is not taken care of. Like
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  Speaker 2: the judges, the judge was saying like, no, like this is,
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  Speaker 2: you have a duty to protect and take care of
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  Speaker 2: your athletes. This is, this is, does not align with that.
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  Speaker 2: And again, it was not a settled matter. Like it
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  Speaker 2: was just like the judge wanted more time to think
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  Speaker 2: about this and to talk about it. And then, and
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  Speaker 2: then they were going to hold the trial later. So
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't like a decision had been made, but obviously
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  Speaker 2: I think what people were most upset about was that
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  Speaker 2: the trial was set strategically in a way that would
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  Speaker 2: have allowed Brendan Soresby to play.
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  Speaker 1: But is it strategically or is it just that's how
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  Speaker 1: long it takes for that to happen?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's also, yeah, it's a legal process. It takes
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  Speaker 2: a while, right? Like they wouldn't be able to rush
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  Speaker 2: through it. So there's that part of it as well.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Jeffrey Kessler thinks that most people just did
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  Speaker 2: not know the facts of the case and that they
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  Speaker 2: were mad and that they were opining without having read
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  Speaker 2: much about the case or knowing much about what the
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  Speaker 2: NCAA's obligations are to its athletes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's right about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: And I also, I don't want to pretend like I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand people being like, hey, man, some things are simple.
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  Speaker 1: Bet on your own team. It's a wrap for you.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And that's just where it starts.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Like, they think we talking about Shooter's Joe.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: You know, so they're like, what else is there for
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: us to talk about here? But something that's interesting, I
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: learned this when I did, I did something for Vanity
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Fair in 2020, when the Players United movements and everything
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: were going on. And Bob Orr, who's the former Chief
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Justice of the Supreme Court of North Carolina, who became
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: very interested in NCAA issues when Carolina got hemmed up.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: And what happens is, very often is these lawyers who
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: never really paid any attention to this stuff, get into it.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: And they're like, wait a minute, this is crazy town.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Right. Like the idea, what's dooming the NCAA is they
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: had an internal policy. The precedent didn't matter. Right. Like,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: how many times have we heard them say that? That
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: precedent didn't matter. Every case was its own snowflake, right,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: that they dealt with, and that's part of why they
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: keep losing in court. But Orr said that he was
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: talking to an investigator from the NCAA, and he was like, look,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I got your book of regulations or whatever it is,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: and I've read everything about da-da-da and everything else, and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: he says, where is the part about the rights.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Of the athlete? Man, there you go.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: And the woman responded, and I quote, that's a good question.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Right. So the NCAA has in its mission statement about
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: protecting athletes, but had actually nothing written on the books
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: about their protection. And so what I think part of
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: it is, is that we have a media core that
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: has grown up and has been conditioned in and throughout
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: their whole lives where the NCAA's only job is to
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: mete out punishment.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: That's all it does. And wild punishments for things that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: now will make you laugh. when you think about what
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: they've done to people over $ 2, 000.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Right? Like over $ 500.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Signing autographs in a place for like, you know, $ 200
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shutting everybody down. So, Oh, about 15 years ago.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: It was really kind of with the Cam Newton story
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that it really kind of, and actually what really happened
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: was when it happened with Cam, it was one thing
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: is when it happened with Johnny Manziel. Oh yeah. And that,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and that P popped up and people were like, well,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: wait a minute. Why can't he sign some autographs?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: You know, but what's that happen? Then people started asking
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the questions, but I think that people are so accustomed
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to the purpose of these examples. nobody's job is to
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: look out for the players.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And when somebody does, nobody really knows what to do.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Well, as Kessler points out, I mean, the NCAA was
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: initially started as a way, like Teddy Roosevelt wanted an
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: organization that looked out for the safety of the players.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Like that was like the NCAA's original core mission. And
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: everything that's happened since then doesn't really seem to have
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: much to do with that. And they've really outgrown that
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: initial purpose. And again, because this is all about competition.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Like really, I argue now that the NCAA is about
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: like the big schools were trying to restrict competition. Like
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: they want to make sure you don't cheat over here.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Now I'm saying like, Hey, Cleveland state over there, they
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: might be cheating. You know, was it, was it, what
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: was it? Jerry Tarkanian has said that the NCAA is so.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Mad at Kentucky. They go put Cleveland state on probation
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: for two more years.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And so like, I think that that's what
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: people think that the NCAA is supposed to do. Right.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Like just, manage the competition factor but really the original
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: goal was to take care of these athletes to make
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: sure that the safety protocols there make sure that it
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: was part it aligned with the academic mission of the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: college and nobody is ever talking about any of that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: shit anymore and the NCAA is dabbling in all this
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: other stuff and it has nothing it very very rarely
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: does it does it touch on any of that stuff
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: so I think that like the NCAA that's kind of
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I think when you talk about when you talk to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Tom Mars and all these other guys it's just like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: The NCAA is sort of a old organization that has
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: sort of outlived its usefulness and is trying to enforce
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: these rules that really everybody is looking at them as like,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: this doesn't make any sense.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was interesting that people, I felt
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: like after the injunction were like, well, what's the NCAA
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: good for then? I was like, yeah, keep going.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Keep going.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: You're right there.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: You're right on the precipice.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And you know, the thing that made me feel
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: good about the Sorsby thing, because again, I don't I
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: think it's like you said, you, me, Stephen Godfrey, maybe
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: a few other people on this is that the sports
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: attorneys agree with us on this. Like they may differ
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: on like what should happen with Brendan Sorsby, like, you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: whether how many games he should serve, if he should
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: play in college football again or whatever. But On the whole,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: they look at this case and they say, oh, this
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't set any sort of precedent. Like, you do not
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: need to worry about that. And that's, I feel, because
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: of the people that are familiar with this case and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: familiar with the NCAA bylaws feel that way, I feel
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: comfortable with.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Where I sit on it. The point that Mars has
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: made on Twitter about it, though, is this is the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: thing that could drive that Protect College Sports Act through.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: because it gives the full impression of chaos that the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Congress people need in order to push this, this, this,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: this bill. And this bill is bad. I know that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you probably have seen, and not you, Joe, but like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the people listening have may have seen that the NFL
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: PA and the national basketball players association support this bill.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: This bill is awful for shocking. I am floored by
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the idea that that guy was mortified that the CBC
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: was had members that co-sponsored the SCORE Act, which was
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the predecessor to this one. And this bill is not
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: terribly different from that one. This is really, really, really bad.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And I understand the argument that Sorsby, even if you
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: argue that Sorsby was in the right, it could tip
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: public and political opinion in such a way that leads
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to something that I believe might be worst case scenario,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: which is this bill. Right.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Well, and again, given the people that I've talked to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: about this, about what might happen with this score bill
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: or the Protect College Sports Act, that won't do much
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to address what happens with Soresby anyway. Like attorneys are
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: still going to be able to light that shit up.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: They're just waiting. This act, the Protect College Sports Act,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is really about limiting the money that they got to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: pay to these mostly black athletes. That's bottom line. That
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: is basically what this thing is all about. And like, I,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I guess that for a lot of people, that is
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: what is saving college sports because the argument is that, well,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: they're spending all this money on football and basketball. Some
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: of these schools can't afford to do that. So they
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: may have to cut their fencing team or they may
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: have to cut their volleyball team or whatever and stuff
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: like that. And my argument is I'm sure it is
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: with yours is that that's, first of all, that's a
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: you problem. Like, you know, if you're a college, if
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: you're a college that can't afford to do that, then
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: you need to find the level that you can play it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: You know, once upon a time when we were alive,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: barely alive, Ivy League was a major college football league.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Like they all they you know, they they played it
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: basically the top level. And then around the late 70s,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: early 80s, they looked around and they said, we don't
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: want to have to build a bigger stadium. We don't
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: want to have to pay for all these scholarships. We
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: don't want to do all that. And so they dropped
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: down to a level. So those colleges should do that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Like they're free to do that. Right. And again, the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: money you give to these coaches, the money that you
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: spend on buyouts, the money that you spend trying to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: lure a coach and paying them 13 million, $ 13 million,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you could use that money to pay for those non-revenue sports.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: They just choose not to. Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would make, I just want to make
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: this point and I think it's important because yes, it
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: is these mostly black athletes that we talk about right now.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: They was doing this when it was all white boys too.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Like this is where I think there are profound effects
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that we could argue that are skewed. And especially since
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the non-revenue sports are so primarily white. And so it
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: has been an idea that these black athletes have been
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: funding the existences of these other sports. But I think
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: we see enough in the world to tell us they
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: do the same thing to a bunch of white boys too.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Like this is about class and labor. as much as
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: anything else with some interesting, noteworthy overlaps into the race part.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: But back when they had all the spots, they were
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: still keeping them boys broke.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, look, man, one of the guys that initiated, that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is the reason for the term student-athlete is a former
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: TCU guy named Kent Waldrip. He got paralyzed at a
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: game at the University of Alabama, I think it was
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: like 1976, and he sued for, you know, he wanted
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the school to take care of him and everything, And
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: what TCU and the NCAA did was they came up
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: with this term student athlete as a dodge. It was
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a term of art so that they did not have
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to pay a workers' compensation claim, right? And so that
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: was a white guy. So to your point, Bo, like
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: they've been trying to take advantage of these guys and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: treat them not as laborers, the laborers that they are
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: since the beginning of time. And it's been enriching a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of other people. Like there was some account
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I follow on Twitter and I can't remember what it is,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: but they're just like, they listed out the number of
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: staff that all these schools have in the athletic departments.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yo, these are patronage jobs, man. These
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: are jobs that help pay for people that, you know, whatever, administrator, booster, whatever,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: so their kids can work in the athletic department and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: make a pretty decent salary doing it. So I just
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of sympathy for these schools that
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: find themselves in financial trouble because they've known that they've
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: been doing wrong by these young boys and young women
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: now in college women's basketball for a very long time.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And they're like, you know, the bill's coming due now.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Hey, brother, I can't afford a Ferrari. Like, I kind
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of can. Right. If I want to have a Ferrari,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I can make some changes and scrape some things around
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and do whatever and have the Ferrari. Man, the insurance
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: is going to cost a lot of money, all that stuff.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But I could get a Ferrari. Right. But I can't
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: really get a Ferrari, so I just ain't going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: have no Ferrari.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Right. Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: If you ain't no baller, you know what I'm saying? Like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like if you can't ball, then you can't ball.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Look, man, I make a decent salary, but I can't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: afford all the house and space that I would like, bro. Yes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, I really I would
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: like to move my whole family down. I have my
• 26:05
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• 26:08
  Speaker 2: be afforded a nice big house in Southern California or
• 26:11
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• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I can't do it, bro. I got to live but
• 26:16
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• 26:19
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  Speaker 1: We are back with Joel Anderson. So now Soros is
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: going to try to go to the NFL, and this
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: is going to be fun. It looks like he was
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: projected to be a day two pick if he had
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: gone into the 2026 draft, and we know this because
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he didn't go. Now he goes into the supplemental draft.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: So for people who don't know how it works, the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: supplemental draft is a silent single bid auction. Okay. If
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: they decide to have it, right. Cause they don't have
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: to have the supplemental draft. If they decide to have
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the supplemental draft and he is in it, every team
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: gets to put in a bid for what pick they
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: would use on him first second third fourth fifth sixth
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: seventh round right and it would be the pick in
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the 2027 draft you actually get a get the player
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: at a discount because there's a time discounting on the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: pick when you think about So you can put in
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: whatever your bid is and ties are broken by the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: previous year's draft order. Okay. He going to have a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: pro day and it's going to be him and Holland
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and they're going to go down there and they're going
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to watch. And I am very curious to see how
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: it goes. If slash when somebody takes him.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so my initial thought on this boat
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: was that I was like, man, It's not like he
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: lit it up when he was at Cincinnati, right?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: 27 touchdowns, five interceptions.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: He was good, but nobody was talking about Brendan Sorsby
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: like he was Cam Newton or like Caleb Williams, right?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Like he wasn't nobody, you know, like I didn't, nobody
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: thought that he was a friend. And so I was
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: just like, then he's got this specter gambling over him
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and all the things that he put in his court
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: filings about having anxiety issues and things like that. I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: was like, man, I don't what NFL team would want
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: to put up with that. But then the dude, Quincy Avery,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: who works with, you know, a lot of professional quarterbacks
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and college quarterbacks of note, he's been saying, he's been
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: saying it for the beginning. He's like, no, like if
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: he had come out last year, he might've been the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: second quarterback picked in this, in this most recent draft.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And that he calls him a little slower, Kyler Murray,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: but bigger. And I was like, huh? He's pretty adamant
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: about the fact that he thinks teams might be willing
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to drop a second, a third on him. I'm curious
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to know. I'm interested to see if that's actually true.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: But here's where I think he's interesting for a team
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: that needs to think about having a quarterback, right? So
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I am pulling up the list of teams in the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: league in front of me, and I'm going to go
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: through the ones that I think need to think about,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: even if they went and got a little short-term situation, right? Mm-hmm. Miami.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: yeah they got malik willis but clearly they don't believe
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in that shit all right i kind of feel bad
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: for him what they doing him the jets they still
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: ain't got no quarterback.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: They always need yeah they could use somebody yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah they they still don't have one um cleveland
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: obviously still doesn't have.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: But does it but don't wait hold on man they
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: got like a million quarterbacks.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yes they do and they don't have one it's amazing
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it's amazing.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: They're very famous can't be good again.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Um, Pittsburgh.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh. They're, they're, they're, they're a little, they're, they're, they're
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: quarterback short. Um, who else we got here?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Minnesota.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, they got a Kyle Murray. I think, I think
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: they have a starting quarterback.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Well, at the very least they got enough, they got
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: enough to think about right now. Um, new Orleans feels
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: like they have a quarterback. Uh, Tampa Bay is a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: little weird because they have a quarterback, but they are,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I would not want to get into a protracted argument
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield because he don't let nothing slide. You
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: He looked like he was like, look, if they ain't
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: done by now, we ain't talking about that shit again.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And I believe him. I usually admit his words.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Look, man, his parents named him after Ronald Reagan. You
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: know what type that is. Hey, look, man.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Resolute.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, Resolute. That's a great way to put it. I'm
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in Arizona.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Arizona, man. Arizona. All right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm hitting you with like, that's five quarterbacks there.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I think Seattle will need a quarterback at some point,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: but neither here nor there. Right. So let's say we
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: got those, those five teams.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Let's say that you can put down a third round pick,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: maybe even a second round pick. And not only do
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you get this quarterback, you get a year to look
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: at him in whatever way. And then decide if you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: want to use a pick in next year's draft on
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: an actual factual quarterback. Right. Right. It's an interesting situation
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: when you put it in those terms. For these teams
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: that know they need a quarterback next year, they can
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: do a little research on a quarterback right now.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: They can get a head start on a guy that
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: would have been, you know, number two, number three in
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: this recent draft.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And keep in mind, you never know who accidentally
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: might win seven games. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you think you about to be at the top of
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the draft. The next thing you know, you remember when
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the Texans made that trade for Will Anderson, and we
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: were like, this is crazy, because that's going to be
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a top five pick next year, too. And it wasn't.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Man, we had no idea. Everybody was, who was old boy?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It was not Nick Casario. That's not.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: No, that's him.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: That's him? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I was like,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I thought he made a mistake. but yet Anderson showing
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: out in Houston. Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: They turned out to be, he turned out to be good,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but also the pick didn't turn out to be the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: pick that we thought that the pick was going to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: be right. That any of those teams that are like,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see a world where Cleveland doesn't stink,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: but they might mess around with five games.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You just, yeah. You can just never tell in
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the NFL, man. You know what I'm saying?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And I mean, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh is not going to be great.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Do you think Cincinnati is going to be that good?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Next year?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They'll find a way not to be.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, like Cleveland could pick up a
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: couple wins there. And, you know, the NFL is the NFL, man.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Bottom line, it was the great quote the dude had.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: If Hannibal had electric corona 4-3, we called it eating disorder.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And look, Calvin Ridley got caught betting. Old J-Mo for
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the Lions got caught betting in the building. Yeah, man. Like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: this stuff be happening is all I'm saying. And if
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you're good, they'll find a way to deal with it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: We're just going to find out if they think he's good.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Right, right. Yeah, because, again, nobody has alleged that he, like,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: tried to– he was a corrupt actor in the games, right?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And the important thing that Kessler talks about is that
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: these bets were made when he was not really on
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the active roster at Indiana. So it was not like
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: when he was ever– so, like, people will be able
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to rationalize this. And, yeah, I could– I could definitely
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: see a world in which, you know, they take a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: little look at him. They get to look at him
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: in camp, see what they got. Maybe they throw him
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: out there a little bit this year. And then, you know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: if it don't work out, it don't work out.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But you know what else I think it is? And
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think about this. I think that
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: also what we're hearing a bit about is a rejection
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of the language of addiction as a medical term. So
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: here's what I mean by that.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: We've come a long way in terms of how we
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: view people on drugs.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Like, look, after 2020, ain't really no there are no drug.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: The war on drugs and sports is over.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: They're not they're not punishing people behind drug stuff anymore.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It is much more a look. My favorite thing ever
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: in the NHL was used to be. This is how
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you knew it was all white boys. If you failed
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: a drug test, they just called and talked.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: To you.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure everything was okay. That's all
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it took. But they stopped doing this. It's now a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: treatment-based thing that we do with drugs. But now we
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: treat that as a medical situation where previously we totally
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: just treated that as a matter of will, right?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people are prepared to treat gambling
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that same way, despite all the evidence around us, right?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Despite how we've seen gambling destroy people. But if you
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: think of this in medical terms, then as a team,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you got a staff that you feel like can help
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: handle these things. Instead, we going back to the old adage,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: once a crackhead, always a crackhead. Which, by the way,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is not wrong. If you were an addict, you are
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: an addict, you will be an addict, but you learn
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: how to manage it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: What it is addicts say it themselves that's.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Right but it tells you a lot about how people
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: truly feel about the gambling bug that they like man
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: he ain't gonna be able to beat that.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I just the thing that is crazy to me is
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that people feel that way because gambling is all around
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: us bro you know like again we talk about it
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: is in your phone i've never i'm i'm really grateful
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: i don't have very many vices like mine is like
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: sugar you know what i'm saying right but yeah like
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that's my big thing but like alcohol all none of
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: you know drugs and like that but like People that
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: can't help but do the fantasy football joint, that can't
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: help but do all these other things. I'm just surprised
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that people don't look at the people within their life
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and they can see that there's a generation of teenage
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: boys coming up that are steeped in this and are
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: kind of getting hooked on it. I feel like if
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: they don't respect it as an addiction, now that they
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: will be forced to eventually. Because eventually it's going to
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: start coming for people, man.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: By the way, you do have another vice.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Fighting people on the internet.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Come on, man. Come on, dog. You know what? I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: will say, it got out of control yesterday. I felt bad. Yesterday,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: it was the.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I called you in the morning yesterday, and you sent
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a tweet about how you needed to get offline.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you didn't. It got worse, man. Blue
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Sky unnerved me yesterday. I was wilding out on Blue Sky, man.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: And I remember, I was like, this does not feel good.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Do you know what the Blue Sky fight was about?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: While I was still on Twitter. Which was just a
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: very made argument. But yeah, man. I do. You know,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: there's a meme going around right now on the internet.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Ever since I was a little kid, I knew I
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: wanted people to watch how the fuck they talk to me.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: And that was me as a kid. I've always felt
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that I have a very strict sense of dignity and self.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And if people talk to me any kind of way,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: it really sets me off.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: When they talk to you any kind of way, it
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: sets you off. And sometimes when they just talk to you.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: It sets you off.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I think I'm a nice person.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I think you're a nice person too, but your Itty
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Cottaway bar is not like... No, I mean, I think
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: as you might imagine, I'm not so inclined to let
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: people talk to me Itty Cottaway. But you know what?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: You can let some people talk to you Itty Cottaway
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: if you're not listening to them.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: They only talking to you because you put your face
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: out there for them to do it and half the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: time they not even peep.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: You right. You right.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I know. So yes, Joel, you have a vice and
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: your vice is arguing with people on the internet.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: It's true. I need to get past it. I really
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: would like to. You know, the thing is, I've been
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: really proud of myself, man, because there was a whole
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: conversation around my appearance on Rewatchables. And I may have
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: mentioned it the last time I was here. And I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: totally avoided it. I like I just like I don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: because I know that if I see what people are
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: saying about it, I will never be able to get
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: over it. And actually Bill, Bill, Bill Simmons, people reached
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: out to me and he was like, don't he's like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: please don't look it up. Don't bother, because I from
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: personal experience, you will not be happy. Like these those
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: people are crazy, like let it go. And I was like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: you know what? All right. I trust you on that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: And I trust you. I know that you're saying this
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: in friendship, that I need to stop this.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Dude, I had to say the same thing to Vinny
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: yesterday because they was firing him up about a bit
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: of a touch of inartful phrasing.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, man.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And hold on, hold on, hold on. I want people
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to understand this. Joel Anderson had the nerve to jump
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in this group chat and say, oh, I know you
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: hot to somebody else about what was said on the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: internet yesterday. And it said, and I quote, I just
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: add folks and get it out the way. Meanwhile, he
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: just came on here able to recall the exact arguments
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that he had yesterday with people.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Look, man, people can quibble with Vinny on what he said.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: And I didn't.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I understood his point. For people who don't get it,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: he said Basically, what he was trying to say was
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that when it's a new champion every year, it starts
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to feel like a participation trophy.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: And so somebody's like, are you calling it a championship
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: participation trophy? And his response was, if everybody wins one, yes.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: But the internet did not receive it or clip it
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that way. It ain't been on TV that long. You
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? It ain't been on TV, but
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: not on this scale.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: But the thing is about, and I get why he's upset,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: because the thing is that it's not enough for people
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: to disagree and say, I don't like that opinion. Yes.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with that. It's just like, how did
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: you even get your job? You clown. People start disrespecting
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you and trying to malign you in a way that
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I think is not commensurate with what the offense was.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And so, like, I saw Vinny going back and forth
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: with people on the internet, and he's sending tweets to us,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: you know, from people that we know that went at him.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Vinny, man, I get it, man.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: If anybody understands what's going on, I get it.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Well, anybody understands it's me. I just don't understand why
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: it is that this is where I cannot influence y'all.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I have completely opted out.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Because you are a made man. You know what I'm saying?
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but y'all aren't.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not made. You know what I'm saying? Our
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: reputations and our careers are still sort of in, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: like it could go either way, you know?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I tell you this. It ain't going nowhere
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: good with y'all out here fighting.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. It looks crazy.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Look, you are an embodiment of what I say is
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: why you can't respond to people. Social media is just
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: where people go to be unhappy.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: It's fair.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: You go do that. Joel not having a good day?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Don't you worry. He'll be tweeting shortly. He might not
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: be tweeting about the bad day, but that's where you
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I told people yesterday on Blue Sky, I was like, look, man,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I'm having one of those days where they talk about
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: you don't know what's going on in somebody's life. And
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm having one of those days today.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And I was like, so please don't argue with me
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was going to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I know. And then I kept on going,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: but it was tough. So, yeah. Anyway, do y'all know
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: how good of a friend Bo is, man? Bo sent
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: me a Kindle. I did. He sent me a Kindle
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: so that I could read. And actually, I'm reading the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Dick Gregory autobiography on here right now.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I sent you that Kindle because it sounded like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you were doing your e-reading either on your phone or
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: your iPad, which was tied to all the other devices.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And so I sent you a Kindle so you would
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: not have to go into the cauldron in order to read.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I know. I was hoping that it could be a replacement.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And look, I do this for myself. I'm on a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: little too much too, but I've just decided I won't
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: be talking to nobody about it. You know, I don't,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, you can say whatever you want
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: about what I done said.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. That's true. I mean, look again,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and I respect that. I know that you are correct
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: on this. I understand. It's just, I get this. I
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: get it. Like you said, it is a vice. It
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: is a vice. My wife has been on me about
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: talking crazy to people on the internet since the very beginning.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Like early on, she's like, why don't you just put,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: set that down? We were on the honeymoon and I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was fighting, I was fighting with people on Twitter, you know?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: And I was sitting on the beach in Mexico fighting
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: with people. I can't believe that. I would be so
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: offended if I was her. I know. And I was like,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I just, I didn't, it didn't just, I still had
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: a great time. You know what I'm saying? But, but,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: but I, you know, it's just very tough for me
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to let things go. And I hold a grudge.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: You hold a grudge.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I will hold a grudge. If you said something about
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: me and you don't think I know, I know. You
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? I know.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: The only thing you like more than holding a grudge
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is talking about holding a grudge.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Some people, man, you know.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: And all of this is to say, on the same
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: device that Joel can't put down in the name of
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: his own blood pressure, they got the casino in there.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I know, man.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And they going to try to shut these boys down
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: because they got caught up in the web.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I just, yeah, man, it's tough, man. Like I said,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: having it on the phone takes it to a whole
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: new level.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: So let me ask this now that I think about it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I have always felt that a big part of why
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: people are so harsh toward drunk drivers is not simply
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the recklessness and the pain and everything else, but the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: fact that every society has what I would term as
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And punishing those who drink too much allow you to
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: morally justify whatever it is that you do because you
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: stay within the confines as these irresponsible people that are
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the issue and i'm wondering if part of what we're
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: going to see attitude wise when it comes to the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: gambling is going to be very similar to that as
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: more and more people gambling they're like nothing wrong with
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: gambling i do it it's just fine what do you
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: mean you know i say okay it's just those people
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: that don't know how to die like they're brendan soresby
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: right and so that allows it becomes necessary to be
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the one. If you engage in gambling, then you got
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to come down extra hard on a dude that makes
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: a gambling mistake in order to justify the behavior that
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you engage in.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, think about how long... People don't remember
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: this because they're not old enough. It was really hard
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: to convince people that drunk driving was a big deal.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: In the early part of my life, this was a
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: long campaign to convince people that drunk driving was actually
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a public threat. Mm-hmm. Like, between Mothers Against Drunk Driver
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: or whatever, people were like, I just have a few drinks.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point that we had to have
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: all these commercials at PSAs.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was, bro, like, do you remember the fight
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: over seatbelts, for instance? Yeah. Like, people are wearing helmets
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: on a motorcycle. Like, it was very difficult. It's like, well,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you know, you get what you get. But no, but
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: people were like, you know, that's not, don't really affect me.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: That's not a really big deal. But it took, like,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: a long, sustained public campaign to be like, actually, this
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: is fucked up. Like, you should not do that. And
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it's going to take with gambling.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And as more of these kids get peeled off and
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: they end up owing tens of thousands of dollars and
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: they get in financial trouble or ruin their lives, skipping
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: school and all that stuff, and it affects people in
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: their lives, they're going to see. I mean, look, man,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I have a son. He's four. And I can only
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: imagine the things that are going to be out there
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: for him. And it's not a concern I have right now,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, The way things are going, I'm like, oh,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: that's something I'm just going to have to build into
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: the many talks I'm going to have to have with
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: him about, hey, man, you don't want to get caught
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: up in this shit because it can really take you
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: down a dark path.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: And you're not going to win. I'm not talking about you.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the casino does not look the way
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it looks because of all these winners.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Of course you have. I think what really helps people
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: is if you live in a city with casinos. Because
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I lived in Shreveport for two years and going into
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: a casino for a lot of people, man, it's just
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: like all they got, bro.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, buddy, let me tell you something. I went to
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the Hammond Horseshoe in Hammond, Indiana.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: And I played blackjack in there. The saddest place I've
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: ever been in my life. If that casino is not
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas or it's not in the Bahamas or
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: maybe China, I ain't never played over there, right? It's sad. Sad, sad, sad.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: There's nothing fun about it. It is only fun in
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Bro, look, man, I saw people in there with oxygen tanks, bro.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Pulling up to, you know, with the machine, the slot
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: machine joint, and I'm just like, yo, what is it
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: about this place?
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: But sports gambling is different because sports gambling gives you
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the idea that you can outsmart the game. Right. And
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: if there's anything we know about our society, um, Self-awareness
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: about one's intelligence is not an American birthright. It is
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: that I was reading through the constitution and it does
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: not require you to be as smart as you think.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: There's no rule that says you have to do that.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, the thing is, this is
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: how I know it must be addiction, sports gambling, because
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: knowing what we know about sports, just how like random
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: they are. Like just the ridiculous shit that can happen
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: in any game. The, the surprises that we, the way
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: we get surprised over and over and over again. And
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: yet people still think, you know, but I got, I
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: think I got a line on this one. I think
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I can do it. You know, I just, it must
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: be bad because there's no way that you could know,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you could know sports, love sports and think that you
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: could ever truly figure it out.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I have never once heard of a betting house putting
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: out a report being like, We're not making money. How come?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Because they just keep beating us. Right? They got all
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: kinds of reasons why they shut down.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: But.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: They just keep beating us. They ain't never got to
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: be like, yo, man, we got to go in the draft.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: We got to go pick up some new mathematicians to
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: help us cook up these lines.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Right, right. We got to mix things up a little bit.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Make the odds more difficult.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Nah, nah, nah. They get out there losing. They know
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: exactly what that is. Somebody out here fixing games.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, man. Absolutely.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: That's what they going to do. They're like, hey, hey, hey,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: go see who put money on that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: go give it a look.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: They're like, ain't nobody that good. Ain't nobody that good.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Nah, they know exactly what time it is on that bad.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: But hey, Joel Addison, check out Rangertailgate. Check out the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: press box also on the Rangertailgate. And don't follow him
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: on social media because we have to stop encouraging.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Well, I don't know if
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I would go that far. I would say you could
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: follow me and maybe I can find a way to
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: just share my work.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Or you could assure these people that if they follow you,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you're not going to just bombard them with all that
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: negative energy. Because my thing that worries me is it'll
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: never be no jokes. You just be mad. Like, as somebody,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I used to have all the jokes at the people
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: when they would come at me. You just call them hoes.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And mean it. And mean it, by the way.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I take issue with that. Sometimes I
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: do be funny on social media. You know what I'm saying?
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't say you're never funny, but to the people
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: who say stuff to you, no, you have no jokes.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that one. I think about it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Joel, Joel, if you think those are jokes, I am
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: here to tell you they are landing with a force
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that does not come with a chance.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, some people be like, oh, shit. You know what
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Joel got them. Got them again. You know?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Those people are also miserable.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm not a miserable person. I
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: think that's really the misnomer here. In addition to me
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: being a hater, is that I'm a miserable person. I
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: have a very fun, happy, love-filled life. I really do.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I have good friends like you, family that loves me.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I'm doing exactly what I want to do. And if
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: it's not coming through on social media, then that's too bad.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: But if you think that I'm miserable via social media,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: let me assure you that you are wrong.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you, brother. You know, you know. I
• 53:50
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• 53:53
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