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We've Got Mail #189 | Jesse, Listen to Your Grandmother! · Critically Acclaimed Network

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  [SPEAKER_02]: Hello everybody and welcome back to Weave, Weave, Weave, Weave, Weave, Weave, Weave, Weave, Weave, God, God, God, God, God, God, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think I'm critically acclaimed.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: My name is William to the army.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I am a film critic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I write for the rap, then everybody calls me up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Whitney Sybeld.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a film critic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can call me what other hook you like.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But for this podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And this podcast alone.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I insist that you do.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How we've got mail works is you send us mail, and then we read it and we answer your questions or respond to your prompts or Defenders also from your criticism or admit that your criticism is spot on and that we have to change our ways That has happened on more than one occasion, so yeah, we get called out.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: As I was led to believe that's not the PO box.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is the PO box and Whitney.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What is our PO box?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, send us a physical letter or postcard.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And on that note, we actually have several pieces of correspondence in the physical mailbox.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We got a postcard.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and two layers, I'm gonna start with the postcard.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, on the front of this postcard is a rather ornate-looking building called Walton Hall, Nasi, which is in knotting them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, so this comes all the way from Mary Old England.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That is very, very posh.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, goodness.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And on the back, it comes from Glenn, I love Glenn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I Glenn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Bibles and Whitney, just another card for you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You may recognize the building from a Nolan film.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope all is well, and y'all and your family's in what may be beginning in 2026.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hope you guys think positive begins for everyone in 2026.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really hope 2026 is a banger as well.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't recall this from the movie Interstellar.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What was in Wallet and Hall?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it wasn't a wallet.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's probably from Tenet.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I, Tenet, or are we sure the system's state leeway manner?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is that, I think it's state leeway manner.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, from, from, from, from the, yes, from soon.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: James Cameron Spider-Man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: James Cameron Spider-Man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Directed by Christopher Nolan.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a bit when James Cameron was going to make Spider-Man.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He was going to cast the internet to cap me on everything.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that fell through.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That would have been cool all that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I bet he would have made a good one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Joseph Zito was going to direct Spider-Man for Canon L1 points.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were like making out a deal.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But I was right when Canon was like completely collapsing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, although I had heard that the plan was for Albert Pune
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  [SPEAKER_02]: with, I think, you man?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that they were going to like shoot some a spider man until Peter Parker gets bit by the spider, film another movie, and then come back after the actor.bough.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's true or not.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I just heard that somewhere on the internet, and I want to believe that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know about Albert Pune.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I knew the Joseph Zito one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can actually find like Canon sizzle reels that they would take to the American film market and say you should invest in Canon.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because we're going to make Spider-Man because they had the rule the film rights.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just Spider-Man at the time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You could buy the film rights to Marvel characters for a song in the 90s.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cared about those characters at the time yeah, that's why like the first time they made a movie about a Marvel character Like a big studio.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was new it was new line cinema.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't a huge studio and it was blade this character Nobody cared.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget how are the dark?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And there was Howard the Docs.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Howard the Duck in the 80s and technically Red Sonia, although the writer was kind of muddled.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But the version of Red Sonia that we got with Brigitte Nielsen and in a supporting role Arnold Schwarzenegger that was based, although Robert E. Howard had created a character in in Red Sonia, the version that everyone knows and the version that was in that movie was created in Marvel Comics.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So technically that was the first
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it came out the same year but before Howard that I was like within a year but was for Howard that technically the first feature length live action theatrically released Marvel Superhero movie was Red Sonia.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I stand by that and then when it tells you otherwise is wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I encourage you to look up and you can find this in the trades like Variety and All the Rest.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There were all these announcements when artisan pictures, if you remember, artisan pictures, they shuddered now, purchased the rights to a bunch of different Marvel comics, super hero characters.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There was this brief flash in the pen moment where artisan was doing really well, largely because of stuff like the Blair Witch Project, which happened to blow up, and they bought a bunch of Marvel comics properties.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the only one that they actually put out was the Punisher with Thomas Jane.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe so.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They got the Punisher,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They got a lot of characters that they didn't make movies about like Iron Man and Thor Did they get Iron Man or not Iron Man?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They did get Thor.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember the course part of the deal I think Deadpool was also in there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah long shot was one of the characters And they never made a movie about long shot.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's like an X-Men side character Long shot was about briefly a very popular X-Men character and now it's kind of forgotten.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Yeah, what was his mutant power?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's lucky.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How does that work?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, how are you Biologically inclined to be lucky?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You've been the rules of probability around you, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, but how do you, how do you, how do you, how does your DNA know what's going to benefit you in terms of like adjusting probability?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you saw the way it works in Deadpool 2, does the character like luck was super power?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know, I know, I know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just happened to land someplace.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, what is the difference between her doing that and every other cool superhero doing that anyway?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because the other cool superhero is planet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They see that going on and they have other superpowers that put them fly or just they're Oh, right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely like Gene's bondage shit like that and like he doesn't have luck powers.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He has plot armor that's well, that's all it is really, what's your super power convenience.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enough of this gay banter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That is indeed Wayne Man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's Wayne Man.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I looked it up just to be sure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's in hall in England.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The Wayne Manor from the 1960s Batman series, starring Adam West, that was located in Pasadena, California, like a couple of blocks away from where my mom taught elementary school.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So you got to try Pasadena.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd go pass it all the time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's very cool.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they used it in the Valkymra movie as well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of an opportunity.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we have some other letters here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This one, and I'm going to open the crankle paper to get that tactile experience.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a card.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it is a card.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: On the front is like some like arcade cabinets.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's really cool.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not anything branded, but you know, one player and fighter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it says Game On.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Game On Indeed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And inside there's
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no inscription, but there is plenty to be read.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Is this from PC?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hi PC.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, 10 19 PM Wednesday.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, kiddin' play.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Go on!
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just, you're gonna do the cabbage patch next.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just took a road trip and crossed Yuma off my list.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What's the best road trip you've ever been a part of?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Or your dream road trip.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I took a trip down Route 66.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not specifically 466, but it was like cars come to life.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: 310 to Yuma was on my mind.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks William for reminding me of the way of the gun.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't met Whitney yet, but, uh, bibs, I saw you at a live event and gave you a mankind pin.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was you?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I still cherish that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I still have that on a jacket.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it says, if you read this on, we've got mail, please edit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I ramble and I know I'd love you both.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nope, too late.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, that's pretty short.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, that's pretty short for us here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, thank you for writing in the car and this lovely little card with the arcade mission.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I am an arcade junkie, how do you use your fun?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I was on a video game podcast a long time ago and I encountered nothing but shame and mockery from you and our fellow co-hosts.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We were the prompt was to talk about the best.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: video games I think was ever like of the 90s because that that's where all of my experience was concentrated yeah we were trying to find games after that we were trying to cater to Whitney's wheelhouse yeah so was the best video games of the 90s and Whitney's first pick on this top ten list pinball
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a big boom of like pinball machines pinball machines got a much more sophisticated and then 1990s Let's start out in those little video screens this like dot Dot light up video screens up in the panel.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were like a lot more slides and like plastic sculptures inside That were like animal machine.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do it was that they weren't video game
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're video game adjacent.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're lyrics next to the video games Yeah, the popcorn machine is next to the movie theater That's not the best movie of the year.
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, but we might talk about popcorn and the various qualities They're off.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if we were talking about the best movies with 20 25 and you picked bunch of crunch
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would tell you I don't think that counts and I would and I would stand by that.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: What if I'd picks like an animated short that preceded a feature then that would be that would count because that would count because that operates under the same parameters.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That is the same medium in ball.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a mechanical object.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: With an electronic screen now we're kind of blending the two a little bit The electronic screen is in part of the interactivity.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not like moving a guy around the screen It's not a screen that's just showing you videos when you're like just because it's all a ball over it It's real physics instead of animated physics, which is why it's a different art form.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's exactly my boy
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Those are different things.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Your parameters are so narrow.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a difference between, okay, let me ask you this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say you are a big fan of soccer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And someone asked you, hey, what's the best soccer video game ever?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Would you say going outside and playing in a park?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, but if there was like a coin-up soccer like kick-up game, which you see in some older old arcades, did you ever play like a football like football?
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sort of like football, but they're like encased in glass, you've been doing a coin, you can like pinball style, I have that little plunder, you can fire us soccer ball.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I did say video game, not just game, it was game, yeah fair enough.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Listeners understanding where the where the difference in our understanding of the word video game is here I suppose so, but I like pinball machine I wanted to call them out because that was a big in the nine if that was an honorable mention I think we would have been fine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the first one I listed But that's sort of lunch.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It served it as an honorable there were there were 10 options like when there were 10 picks and you picked 10 and one of them was pinball So no, that's not an honorable mention That's just a mention
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love you, but pinball is not a video game.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There may be a pinball game here or there that skirts the line.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I will grant you that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The general rule of thumb is no.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I love pinball, and I play pinball at the same time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, and it's, I would love all.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And the ball, the roll, the roll, the roll of the same rail.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: OK, all right, let's play this.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's play this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: OK. What's the best pinball machine you ever played?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The best pinball.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Not like the quirky is not like the most esoteric.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like what was the most fun you've ever had playing pinball?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because the machine was so cool or well-tuned, or had so many bells and whistles.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What was it?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... when i was a kid my favorite was pinbot okay the scribe people uh... pinbots are the the gimmick was uh... there was a big sort of uh... painting about a robot with pinball flippers for fingers up on the backboard uh... and it spoke a horrible existence and it spoke in this electronic voice uh... and evidently uh... pinbot had no eyes so so it's pinball wizard
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much, yeah, but it's the robot and it's like trapped in the machine you're playing.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're essentially like holding pin bod as you play it and as you bounce the ball around inside if you can aim it across this Bank of Bouncers in the middle eventually the bank would open and there would be two little holes where its eyeballs were going, it fireballs and the holes and if you did that
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you opened it, you would hear the electronic voice to say pinbottas in your command.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when you fill up the eyeball holes, it would say, now I see you, and that was a little creepy.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of cool.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's neat.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And even though I was a kid, I got good enough to give pinbottas them off.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing, I was never good enough at pinbottal to make a ball go where I wanted to go.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was basically just, it came down here, was I able to keep it from going in the hole?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: One out of every three times.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the best idea.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we're off topic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We were asked about our favorite road truck.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We were asked about our favorite road trips.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So, do have you been on a notable road trip?
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been on a few road trips.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been on a few road trips.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I've always wanted to go on a really great epic road trip.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I've never been on a great epic road trip.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do remember we went on one road trip when I was a kid.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: We crossed the country and then we crossed back.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was so young that my memories of it are all kind of swooshed together and I'll give you an example.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We went all over the East Coast, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember being able to see F-A-O Schwartz.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, and never said it.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Ben, this is back when that was like a really big deal.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like F-O Schwartz was like the only giant toy store you could go to.
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you ever saw the movie Big, that's F-A-O Schwartz.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was just glorious and they had a lot of toys out that you could actually play with, not every toy store.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It did that, and it was really, really cool.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was super magical, and it was so long ago, and I was so young that in my head it was right across the street from the White House.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: To me, those those one day Those were swoosh together.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was just a glee that way of Schwartz.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Boom.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And leave it to the president in Manhattan.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah And you just walk across the street to Washington DC.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Damn right damn right.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I remember that vividly I remember my mom was raised in Texas and She had a fun childhood.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will put it very mildly and so I remember when we got to the Texas border She told my dad
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: She told my dad go around and so we drove around Texas in order to avoid driving one foot through Texas.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we drove we hit like the middle like of the west side of Texas and then we just went all the way around and then we went right in the straight line again and that was funny.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have fun memories from that trip, I remember, like a lot of bars that we stopped at that, that was like flat Pac-Man cabinets.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, those little cocktails.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember, it was hanging out on the back seat, you know, putting your hand outside the window.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, you feel like the wind out.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's always a little different when you're a kid and it's like a real adventure and you have no idea.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've no control over where you're going and everything, and everything you do.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even it's like, ooh, I've never seen a cigarette machine before.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everything feels magical.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we recently took my son to Europe.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We took him to Paris and a big part of our trip was going to like Parisian grocery stores Like what are the the bags of potato chips look like in Paris like finding international snacks was a big part of our trip
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I took a trip from Los Angeles to Massachusetts.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a go on with my ex stepfather.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's now dead and that's a good thing because he's a horrible person.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he was a road warrior and he wanted to just sort of get there as quickly as possible.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got there in five days.
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Damn yeah drove through the night.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it and he wasn't like a caffeine guy either He just did it and I was with with my steps to start the time They converted the back of a Volvo station wagon into like a little dead play Uh-huh.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's fun.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: No seatbelts.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cared Completely dangerous.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, we could so he was a wild west on the road Yeah, but play games although on that road trip I had my worst birthday because I was there That was the summer I turned 10
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this would work in 1988, and I'll save you the math in 47.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was not with any of my friends because I was out on the road.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was just me, my stepfather, and his daughter.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he thought I was really keen, because he was one of, he was very much in dad modes.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm going to be really educational about stuff.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so he stopped at this German bakery and got this kind of flaky fruit-filled pastry.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's my birthday cake.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you presented that to me now, I would be stoked.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would love that, this kind of fancy German pastry.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're 10?
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: you want big white fluffy birthday cake with thick front yeah you don't have a palate yeah you don't have you don't want a taste you want sugar I wanted sugar I wanted a cake so this did not look like a cake this looked like something I would look past at the donut shop and so it's presented with this and
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: They he took me out to this picnic table out by a lake and the lake was covered with algae And it was covered with mosquitoes and I was getting bitten by a mosquito And he said this is historically significant because it froze over and this is where like pioneers Went to get their ice and they could preserve their food and it's like
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm 10 don't care.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know again now I think that's kind of interesting because I understand the way that he's operate and will the way He still don't want to get eaten by mosquito.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still don't want to get eaten by mosquitoes.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true Yeah, but I don't care about this lake.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about this Okay, but the lake or the cake don't care and
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: because we were on the road, it's not like we could go shopping and get me like a big transformer that I could keep in the car.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like a transformer's toy or something that I really wanted that year for my birthday.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: All they could get me was stuff that was in gas stations in 1988, which was shit.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Your number willy willy.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I remember.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think bully willy still in production and I like willy willy.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fine I had a great time.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's there's some a human face with a magnetic shavings in a little plastic window Yes, he gives a magnetic wand to pick up the shavings and they give him hair and in the beard Okay, I got a willy willy for my birthday that was my one birthday gifts like well
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, but I'm 10.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm greedy.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want more than this.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and my step sister at the time was playing with it later She might have thrown it out the window.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It went out the window of course Went into the cornfields of Kansas somewhere Somewhere out there in the cornfields of Kansas.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was like a very happy kid like
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I found one in the wild, and that's how Pokemon was invented.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Willi Willi was the first Pokemon.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He who walks behind the rows is having a great time with my Willi Willi.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that was a memorable one, but over all was pretty great.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once we got to Massachusetts, I got to meet up with some other kids, and that was a little more fun.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: My dad repaired old British motorcycles, like Norton's and Triumph's.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... once a motomerini but uh... mostly nortens and triumphs from like the fifties and the sixties and uh... people would bring him there frankly like here's a frame and a gas tank could you please bring this back as a motorcycle and my dad would do it but we would add the liver it uh... so he would bring for a while it was my brother and then he was like nine years older than me so uh... then it was me and i would go on many a road trip with my dad and i remember two things very vividly
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... one uh... was there was one time we were going to northern california and we went to a place i don't know what it is i couldn't find it again no matter what i did and i've tried but at some point we were driving up a highway north through must have been like thirty miles of just fields
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was to the right after we were on this for a god knows 45 minutes doing our to the right There was a dirt road that just viewed right okay, and my dad took a right and then we went down that road for another 20 minutes And then we found in the middle of fucking nowhere a bar
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing next to it, what's the dandy?
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like a town.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was just a bar in the middle of a field.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we went inside and it was open.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It like, two o'clock on a weekday, and it turns out it's a place where they had a big venue in the back.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, there would be sometimes have like music shows and like the tri-county area here.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what my dad got me.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: The best beer I've ever had in my life, it was called a Dennis Hopper Martini.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the Dennis Hopper Martini, you may recall watching the movie Blue Velvet, Dennis Hopper's character loved the Paps to Blue Ribbon.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, a Dennis Hopper Martini is a Mason jar with like an ice cold Papsed Blue Ribbon in it and one green olive.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that was the best beer I've ever had in my life part of it was the was there with my old man part of it actually the little bit of brine Really really made the pap's pop not gonna lie.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a beer guy But I know enough about beer to know that if it needs to be drunk cold, it's shit of course.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I I know this
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was good shit, and I know PBR is not great beer.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually not as bad as he will give a credit for, but yeah, great.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other thing I remember was my dad and my mom, I won't move on after this.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: But my dad and my mom, when they got married, they were broke.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: My mom was like, kicked out of her house for marrying my dad, it was a whole thing, my dad was not, you know, he wasn't wealthy or anything like that.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so their honeymoon was hitchhiking across the country of the 1960s, or maybe the very early 1970s.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so anytime I was driving somewhere with my dad, I would almost inevitably like, we'd pass like a non-descript corner on a highway.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And my dad would just pull over and it's like, your mom and I stopped here and got a ride for my guy and a Ford pickup check, line green.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, really?
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: You remember that?
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: My dad's the kind of person who would remember that, so I believed him, but also it's like, damn, dude.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Great fucking memories.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, there's no marking.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no like, you know, it was completely non-descript.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: My dad knew exactly what it was because he loved that.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun memory.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was really, really sweet.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: One more road trip start.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I also took a trip up Route 66 at one point.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not all the way to Chicago.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was coming home from a different part of the country.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So about two thirds of Route 66.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got two thirds of your kicks.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Route 22.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got two thirds of your poo on the page.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's terrible.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a fun drive.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of cute little.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: We stopped at the bad dead camp.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of cafe.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or no bad dead cafe.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we stopped at... Yeah.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what was it?
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: The cow chip throwing capital of the United States.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: The cow chip throwing.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh cow chip.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which I think was beaver Oklahoma.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they've a gigantic fiberglass beaver holding a gigantic fiberglass cow chip in the middle of town.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we heard this was the part of the country.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where can you imagine it?
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They eat fried baloney and like we're we're just being ignorant city folk at this point like fried baloney, it wasn't that funny fried baloney I've never even thought to do that fried baloney Yeah, and we went into a restaurant and we actually and it was like like that bar You were describing it kind of kind of remote that like a little hot bar with heat lamps over it It was like you know potatoes very hardy food
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we asked like being ironic early 20s tipsters that we were It's like, hey, Snickers, Nigger, you guys got some fried baloney and they said, No, we don't have any right now, but we can fry some up for you.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we felt like shit instantly.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, no thank you.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's just food that actually sounds okay.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you try it?
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone try any?
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, we didn't eat, we actually bought it.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't actually buy any, but I remember when I went to my
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: My parents used to occasionally go to Maui for vacation.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a very very lavish for us We were public school educators.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have a lot of money But I remember going away and finding out that like
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, they treat spam while over there.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like spam is not like, you know, junk food over there.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you can just get really good and some of the best sandwiches I've ever had for Hawaiian spam sandwiches to this day.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you know how to do it, spam is the list.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to move on.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, here's another letter, okay.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's another card.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, look, on the inside of the envelope.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, it's reflective.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's dance, like shiny silver.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The cover is a shiny silver Christmas room.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, beautiful.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great glassy.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, on the inside is a go.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Printing on the inside.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just as season greetings.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Shelley Franken from Kentucky.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Best wishes to you in the New York in the into the New York for you both.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I see And there's also a little note.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Side Gentlemen.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello again two of my postcards never meet at last years.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Precises of the mail.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I suppose that's not There's not as many in circulation and it's easier to end up in a black hole of the mail.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: First thought
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: after song.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it in blue my socks off and I recall at the time Paul Mescal got a ton of deserved praise.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what about Frankie Corio?
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: She carried the film that's the lead actors.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: After some of the film about a young girl and her dad going on a vacation to like this resort hotel and we kind of learn very slowly the nature of their relationship and what's been going on in their lives.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: When how it's a
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: and it's a being kind of like a poem of this young woman to her father.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we see her as an adult as well.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: She carried the film without her half of what mescalde, without her half of what mescalde does is less impactful.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do we just not praise kid or teen actors at all?
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Plus I don't think Whitney reviewed this, but if he has since seen it, I would love to hear his thoughts.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I didn't remember if you, no, I guess I saw after son after the fact, but I have seen it.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was one of my favorites of the year.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It might have not have made my top 10, because I made my top 10 before I saw it.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: That happened sometimes where you see the best film.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of your favorite movies after you make your movie.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that always bugs me.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: because we're still catching up like we made a top 10 list, but I'm still going to keep on watching you start real funny and bummer 2025.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this is why we keep revisiting these things just because you wrote your top 10 list and that was your top 10 at the time.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But even if it's even if it is accurate at the time, give it five years.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It'll shift a little.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Second, Dawn Bluth.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: How horribly split is his filmography, meaning who owns it?
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is very hard to get your hands on a properly cropped DVD of the land before time?
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder if there's any hope for restoration or re-release of his films.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I even love rockadoodle.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's to 2026, Shemi.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, to answer your first question, specifically, Frankie Corrio has not done a lot of movies since after son, after someone's their first movie.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was in a horror movie last year called Bagband starring Sam Klafflin,
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what I didn't see, so I cannot speak to it, I hope it's good.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then she was in a short movie this last year called Stray, what I didn't see.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, when you're a child actor, sometimes people stick with it and that's exactly what they want to do.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes people give it a try for a while and then decide to do something else.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who can say, I guess, given a few years and we'll see
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: how she wants to do it.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she has an arrangement where like she only wants to only get to do it like so much, but until she like graduates in high school, that's the things we'll want to kids to prioritize our education.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I do not know her, I cannot speak to that.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the second part of that question was, do child actors get enough praise?
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, the occasional one does.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's often a breakout.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember, you know, like my colleague Hulkin and Hummelon, he was a big deal for a while.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: But oftentimes, we don't give them enough credit when a role is great.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And something's been given too much credit when a role is bad.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I do not blame a child actor for that.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I blame the director.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I blame the casting director, maybe, sometimes.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, child wasn't ready for that.
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, child wasn't able to pull that out or just maybe they were directed badly.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: But like, they're just,
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're so raw, when you're a child, you're so like not guarded emotionally that directing a child in my experience based on what I know about it is often very, very different from directing an adult.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, some kids are pretty naturally great.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some kids stop being predator naturally great.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's something about them, you know, the personality grows and they're just not don't want to do an actor anymore, that's not their thing.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of kid, a lot of younger actors like kid actors.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they are studied, they actually do understand kind of the emotional complexity of what it is to like do method or whatever it is.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most kid actors, though, operate on instant, because they're kids.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of those roles are often found in the editing room.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to look, you know, first couple of Harry Potter movies is my understanding.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Chris Columbus was like,
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: They only add those kids for a few hours a day because labor laws kids aren't allowed to work that much.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they had to just get what they could get and find it later.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they think even the kids themselves said they didn't really start taking acting seriously until like the third one.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think because of that, we tend not to recognize kidactors unless and they have the same qualities that adult movie stars have.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have that equality and the kid can't have that.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that's why a lot of people were really keen on And she's very talented to go to Europe, but Dakota Fanon.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Dakota Fanon was a kid actor and she was very much praised for her talent At the time, but I think she also still had that kind of
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: movie star dazzle.
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even when she was like nine years old.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you got to be pressure when you were watching Dakota Fanning when she was very young that here's someone who is good at this beyond her years and what's weird is she's still great She's still great, but she's not getting the big roles anymore, and I don't know why that's a real bummer
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, she left acting to go to school.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So good for her.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: She got a lot of shit in that.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's not to me that like no one's made more of her.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, since she was an adult, but, you know, but yeah, but like, yeah, we've had the breakout.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Star is Christine, a richie.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Breakout star when she was a child, went on a writer when she was younger.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It happens.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes people will turn out to be a great action, people don't.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I firmly believe that we should absolutely praise great child actors, and we should try not to give child actors who don't turn in the greatest performance ever.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: We try not to give them too much guff.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the world owes and a guy walker, Jake Lloyd, apology, because he wasn't just pillorid, he was called like one of the worst actors of all time, he's nine by the reign, he's a tall kid, he was thrust into this by George Lucas, who like really believed in him.
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Does he give a great performance in in Star Wars?
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, that's fair to say, but he's a kid.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, caught him some guy dance like, and it's not just him, like, I remember reading Turner, which one it was, one of the kids from school of rock.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and they were wonderful in school of rock.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: They gave a great performance in school of rock.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, of school of rock.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were given, they were bullied as a kid just because they were in school of rock.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's it, that's all it took, and they hit them really, really hard, and apparently they had a really rough goal of it.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they pulled through good for them, but I was reading some articles and it was like, yeah, no, sometimes it's not, you were in a bad movie, or you gave it a performance, people didn't like, sometimes you're good, and still kids are dance.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I went to school with a child actor.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I went to a fancy private school, so like they were doing.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Movies stars children.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to school with these kids and I one of them was a professional professional child actor when he was the age eight.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was in a couple movies.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was in TV commercials before he came before he started attending the teacher said you're gonna start Going to class with this child.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna call him out because I don't want people to stalk him He's he's retired from now.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a salesman now, but they said you don't ever get to make fun of him
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: for being on TV.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: You might see him on TV, but you don't get to like quote his commercials, you don't get to quote his movies, you can ask him about it if you're just having a conversation, but just ask him about other stuff as well.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's got so much money.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was actually a person.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was a really cool laid-back guy, such as really friendly.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: We like hanging out with this guy.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: and you've maybe just because he had that actually confidence, but he ended up giving up when I was 12 or 13, he had an act until I entered his adulthood, so yeah, but I was happy that we got that warning that they said don't make fun of him because I know I know kids, probably wouldn't have.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: The second part of your letter is about Don Bluth and
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: You pushed a very important button for me because I am of the opinion that Don Bluth is one of the greatest filmmakers of the last part of the 20th century, and he doesn't get nearly enough fucking credit.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's great.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's amazing.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't know the name, Don Bluth was an animator.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He worked a Disney.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in the very late 70s, early 80s, when Disney was not doing well, he split and he took a bunch of animators with him and they went out on their own.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the very first piece of animation that they did on their own was the animated music video that was inside the movie Xanado And you might think to yourself, oh, that's not a good sign.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: First off, fuck you, that music video was amazing.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just watch that in a video.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just watch that.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just watch the animated part of Xanado.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't see the whole movie.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The movie's not as bad as it's advertised, but the movie's super wonderful.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then they did the secret of NIMM.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: which is one of the best animated movies ever made, then they did an American tale, which is one of the best animated movies ever made.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of a lot of awards too, then they did the land before time, which is one of the best animated movies ever made, then they did all bugs go to heaven.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: That may not be the best animated movie ever made, it's a very weird film in a lot of ways.
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is some incredibly beautiful work done in that movie.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is incredibly imaginative, the animation is stunning, the scene in that movie where the dog voiced by Bert Reynolds.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's dead because it's in the title.
• 36:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: All those got to have him says goodbye to the little girl who befriended him is one of the most haunting scenes ever.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's before you know the context because in the context, the little girl who played the voice that role died in a very tragic way.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will not ruin your day.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can look at that if you want to.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And don't believe this was going through that.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: and it was such a fucking amazing piece of work.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don Blues was keeping American animation alive, thriving and artistically relevant throughout pretty much the entire 1980s, and then Disney, after Don Blues forced them to be able to compete.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: released well initially they released um uh Oliver and company which was a bit of a hit not a huge hit but a bit of a hit but enough of a hit that he decided to really move forward with the little mermaid yeah they're gonna shut her the animation department there he's the person really shut her for a while they're gonna be like a bigger
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: more very studio.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see the parallel universe where that happened.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm an interesting but yeah, but the little mermaid came out.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a mega blockbuster.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It jumped started what we now consider the Disney Renaissance.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And hey, good.
• 38:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of great movies that came out of that.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what sucks?
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: They basically got revenge on Don Blues.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And for the 90s and a lot of his movies are not very good in the 90s, he was having trouble getting them made, he was having trouble getting them released properly, because when he would, Disney would do things like re-released their classic films that weekend.
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: his biggest favorite of the nineties and a stasia movie, which is a hot, which is terrible shard people love it and is everyone loves an a stasia that's a good movie that animated and a stasia and it was supposed to be his big hit it was going to like bring him back into mainstream popularity and that same weekend Disney decided to release I think it was a little mermaid.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a little mermaid they re-released a little mermaid just to eat at his box office So he couldn't open it number one and that nearly destroyed him.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he made one movie sense.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was tight may He might have been one in the middle there.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he's done some other sense that.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a tight name Really that's a past movie.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has not made a feature film since tight may.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like two thousand.
• 39:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know you were supposed to be his big I'm gonna make a movie that's actually like an animated movie But it's like an action movie.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna hit that like Star Wars demographic and This is at a time when people with worth look Americans were kind of uniformly looking at animated movies like they were just for little kids Yeah
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he was going after that, and Disney was trying to do the same thing with Treasure Planet, and audiences just weren't interested, for whatever reason, Tyne is fun-flick.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun, yeah.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Perfectly good-flick.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's a big bomb as they look like a third of its budget.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so we never, never recovered after that.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's been trying to get movies made ever since.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has not been able to.
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also another thing about Don Bluth, people don't talk about enough.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don Bluth.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: helped bring cinematic storytelling into video games.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And by that, I mean, Dragon's Lair, and SpaceAce.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And by that, I mean, light years ahead of whatever one else was doing.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: While shit, like, Pong was still in our case, he had full animated, interactive video movies with actual quality, dawn blue, gorgeous cinema, quality animation, in our case.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: with Dragon Slayer, Space Ace, I think they both had a sequel.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: The problem was the games were very difficult to play.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were not very intuitive, but if you're some of the favorites, you've never actually played them, go to YouTube and just, they'll have like a whole video that's just like a playthrough, just marvel at this.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this pre-saged what we came to know as the QuickTime event.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: which was a huge part of changing sort of the overall language of video games, decades later.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And those video games would then go on to influence cinema.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying don't believe that all of that by himself, but we wouldn't have it without him.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don Blues, as far as I'm concerned, is overdue for an honorary Oscar, and every other fucking award under the sun, and unfortunately his movies are not treated very well on home video.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even if you like, try to get the secret of NIM, like look, the last home video cover I saw of secret of NIM made it look like there's a god-awful piece of straight to video trash.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they are not being appreciated well enough.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would kill for Cratering to put out a box set.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would kill for ArrowVid to put out a box set and just give his work the do it deserves.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do not know what all the rules are.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know a few of those are owned by specific studios.
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think land before time in American Tailor is still owned by Universal.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, could be wrong about that.
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they still are, because they've been pumping out, especially land before time, straight to video sequels for forever.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's like 14, the land before time movies.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't even know what to do with that information.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Other than one day watch, but seriously, I'm so glad someone's talking about Dumbledore because Dumbledore is one of the most unsung filmmakers we have for sure.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's shameful how poorly he's treated.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has won a check.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: One lifetime achievement award from the annual awards animation, good that was 20 years ago.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has been completely forgotten by most of this industry.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck you.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for bringing him up.
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: If anyone is listening to us who has any display in this, any sway, any pull whatsoever, let's get this shit started, let's get him his due.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It always makes you feel incredibly sad when someone who had this incredible career,
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, it was like 80s, I think now, if not early 90s, it was an incredible career.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's only after they die that we really start feeling appreciated them.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, when Dom Blue passes away, and I hope that's not for a long time, not gonna win.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna be these gushing essays and obituaries and career retrospectives.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why aren't we doing that now?
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you think it would be nice to be had that now and I'm not just saying that for Dunblathom saying that for every great filmmaker and actor and writer who maybe had a heyday and it's gone now for reasons which may or may not have anything to do with them like come on.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I read in some of your obituaries in this industry and I just think I can always think to myself
• 43:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: would have been would have been nice yeah some people just famous enough that like Robert read for it I think Robert would probably knew that people like them and like his movies least most of them right so a lot of filmmakers who didn't man like even someone like I mean bless them Rob Reiner no longer with us incredibly tragic what happened yet made like a popular hit movie in over 15 years yeah
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably would have been nice to read here about how much we loved him and how much we loved his movies and not just in a passing way Like oh, it's new years remember when Harry Metsale like now he had one of the most legendary runs of any director ever What a nice if we talked about that one when he was alive
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, that pushed a couple of buttons for us.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I had to go on a rant.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had to go on a rant.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we have, let's do some emails.
• 44:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's do some.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do some for the physical.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it for the physical mail.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thank you for everybody for writing in.
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Keep on sending those cards.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We like them.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a letter.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is me mail.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going back to those screens from Lexa.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Lexa.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Lexa.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is that time of year again.
• 44:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have seen
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have 74 films that need my personal qualifications for what count as 20-25 releases, including five films that I got to see at the Seattle International Film Festival.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go to a film festival.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been 20 years since I've been to a film festival tonight.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got to get you this Sunday as a Toronto or something.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll go to Seattle.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: The majority of films I saw this year you guys haven't seen, so whatever comes up on this list, I will include a description of the film along the side of my commentary.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Counting down from 10.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number 10, Demon Slayer Commetzun on Yiba Infinity Castle.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... which is one of the highest grossing films of the year internationally yes and didn't very well in america too by the way came out in september and i remember talking to people it's like should we be reviewing this in the general sense was now it's niche and then was one of the ice-coaching films of the year yeah uh... and i'm so and honestly was like so who told me that like um...
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like on social media because I was like, should I see this?
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the show and they were like, you can get the gist of it without watching the series.
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad I took Lex's advice because yeah, I'm going to be fucking slaps.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was cool.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It says, uh, I went into this film with no knowledge of the series and while it does throw you into the deep end, it was a great job of giving you just enough context for you to get emotionally invested in the fight and some of the most gorgeous animation of the year.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: truly gorgeous animation.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like nothing but boss fights.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine like a movie that's like, you remember when like, um, was it when Pauling Kale described Star Wars as a box of cracker Jack that's nothing but prizes?
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, uh, uh, uh,
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Demon Slayer, the movie, is like the Star Wars series that but nothing except the climaxes.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just all fucking epic, all the fucking time, but the emotional climaxes too.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's even if you're kind of just jumping in, you see how important it is to the character who's he can't help but feel it.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's really okay.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I haven't seen it.
• 46:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool.
• 46:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been meaning to see that one and the other one was Nation Out 2, which is not like the 5th highest gross level.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did finally catch up on that to you.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number nine, the shadow's edge, director Larry Yang, Jackie Chan and Lueng Ka Phi lead in this cops and robbers film about the older generation passing on and mentoring the young generation.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is some of some wonderful action sequences including the best chase sequence of the year.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shadows edge, don't know what he's going.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number eight, Harbin, director Wumin Ho, this wonderfully tight thriller is about the 1909 conspiracy to assassinate the prime minister of Japan while he is visiting occupied Korea and
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: This film was gorgeous, truly one of the best-looking films of the year.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: The fact, this was my first new film of the year, and it's stuck in my head all year really shows how good it is.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number seven, Thunderbolts.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Director Jake Schrier.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the best film the MCU has ever made about grief, importance of self-care, and the trauma of the world of superheroes would impose on someone, just brilliant.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like it to it.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's quite good that's that's when I have seen.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, didn't make my best of list or anything like that, but it's definitely one of the better Marvel movies, especially in a long time.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's what I appreciate about it is, and I've said this on the podcast before, it finally examines the toll that superhero don't take on you, and not just physically, or personally, like it's by.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's Spider-Man 2, for example, that movie comes with a different level.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's just like, oh no, it's ruining my career, it's ruining my social life.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now this is about how it ruins you from the inside out.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It destroys your soul because you're living in a world of constant violence.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: All you're ever doing is hurting others.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're not one of the very small handful who are being incredibly well appreciated, everyone sees you as an asshole.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so I like that one.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I do it.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number six, fuck toys.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Anapornas Sriram.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know this film.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard really good things and I do not know this movie.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've no idea.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The first, the first of two Sith films to make the list.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a sex worker's Odyssey through a surreal suburbia trying to raise $1,000 to pay a psychic to lift the curse that has been inflicted on her.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is by far the most enjoyably weird film of the year.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this sounds right up my hand.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's very cool.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to see fucked toys.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number five, come closer, director Tom Nesher, the other Sith film, this one follows Eden.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those films, we might still get to see if they're in film festivals.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: They usually debut at festivals and then get released, like, within and typically so they don't always get released to enough fanfare, though.
• 49:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we gotta keep our eyes open, because sometimes that kind of movie that
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes when we come out to big fanfare, people appreciate them, they'd win awards.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes they get enough of a release and they're prominent enough that we hear about them and sometimes they're dumped on two-be.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which better have them out than not out, but like sometimes they just fall into the radar.
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna keep an eye out on avid for fuck toys because that sounds like an avid kind of a film.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number five, come closer by Tom Nescher, the other Siffelmfels that Eden, whose brother just died.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: During the immediate aftermath, Eden finds out that the brother had a secret girlfriend,
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So even tracks your down and starts to develop a relationship with her.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is delightfully messy queer film, and it's just gorgeously shot.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've seen films like, what was the film about the two girls who fell in love in the wake of like a school shooting?
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just unconventional romance.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I didn't.
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't ring a bell.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot the title of that film.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, number four, wake up dead man, Dr. Ryan Johnson.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the best of the series so far between the devilish mystery, it plays very fair, but it still catches you a very off guard with small details, just how funny it is.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: This film is the full package.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like wake up dead man.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if I can.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number three, sinners.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, land, coogler.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every time I watch this film, I find more and more layers to look through.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is one for the books.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have just too much to say for such little, such a little section, so I'll just leave it there for now.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, a due, special live Shinzo in cinemas, director Toshihito Hirose.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ado is one of the, oh, it's a live concert.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ado is one of the best pop stars in Japan, and the concert film is taken from her tonight, Ron, of the Japanese National Stadium.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ado is notable for being completely anonymous, so they have to backlight her life, which creates such a unique feel to her concerts already, but this becomes a truly great film after a speech she has toward the end of the show, that will leave you utterly interiors, one of the best concert films ever made.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know Ado.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at my brain.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're doing a little drum roll.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cut by the tides.
• 51:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Geo-jong-k is new film.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, geo-jong-k.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: The name, I know the name.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen it in geo-jong.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: you were hoping I'd get you out of that jam where I was hoping you'd be able to like offer a little bit of insight into into some of these movies as you are young kid.
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I know still life was like as you can't junk in your head but done like so many more.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, they made a lot of movies and so far.
• 51:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh Ash is purest white.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was the big one for one of the years ago.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't seen any of his movies.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, that doesn't make me a bad person, but I am a bad person.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just makes us bad critics.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we're just bad critics.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because we're not caught up with you.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, as of today, this is Lexus podcast.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You won.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: You win.
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: You win.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like to describe this as an impressionistic film or you get the impression of everything, but the details are faded away.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is mostly due to the history of this film being mostly made of unused footage from the previous films.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: The director and lead actor have done together over the last 25 years, and it manages to create something that is truly moving with that material.
• 52:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did you ever see camera person, the documentary camera person, where it was just like a documentary made up entirely of B-roll?
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like still shots is like he lay like twenty tenish around no, I don't do that.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, neat that looked out Went up.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: That one's really good.
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a film that I've just grown and grown on and I highly recommend everyone check this out If you go to chance hopes this hope this finds you well, Lexa.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a thank you very much I appreciate Lexa, you know, it looks right in a lot and I can always count on Lexa to be aware of international cinema that a lot of people in this country myself included Hmm
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: are not keeping tabs on sometimes there are movies that haven't been released over here officially or have only been like kind of a blinking a miss it or we're only released on like video on like well go and it's hard to sit through those because it's just so much to keep track of and we need more people more critics keeping an eye out on that because there's so much just American cinema
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: whether it's from China, Japan, Brazil, wherever, it just doesn't matter.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's always some international cinema that we miss because we literally don't have time to see literally everything from every country.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: We need more people keeping, and I own that stuff and letting us know, seriously, don't miss something, please.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've listened to Alexa many times.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I recently published an article for the rap about the best action movies of the year,
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: It keeps a finger on the pulse of that, and so I asked for some suggestions, and they stared me in the direction of ghost killer, ghost killer, which is a very, very cool movie, and it is currently available on streaming here, but ghost killer is, you know, the movie ghost person is murdered, and then they come back as a ghost, only one person can see them, and they have to help them, you know, solve the, everything?
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is that except the Patrick's Waysie's a hitman.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And instead of kissing to me more, every once in a while, she would be Goldberg grabs onto the hitman and has to kick ass.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really, really fine.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you've never seen it, and you probably haven't, totally we're checking out.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you again for that.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: That made me listen to the best action.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was the year and I wouldn't have seen it if it not for her.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, uh, here's another letter.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: This one comes from, uh, Jesse's grandmother, Cyril of Bear.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, Cyril, Cyril, Cyril.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, guys.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hope you had a great holiday.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you to do me a big favor.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: My grandson, Jesse, is a big fan of yours, and he abides by everything you say.
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh God.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a budding, cinephile, and makes it his own business to watch everything.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's got his own podcast with some friends called The Post Credits Podcast.
• 55:25
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• 55:26
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• 55:26
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• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Please do.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's made some short films too.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm bragging about my grandson.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have a grandson, bragged about your grandson.
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Goodness.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has to watch the towering inferno.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because he 18, I'm 70, he sometimes does not believe me when I say things like this movie are important because it is the original disaster movie.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have, however, successfully directed into some films like a Donnie Darko.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Requiem for a dream, I don't know, hip grandma.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very bad.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, every single Godzilla movie ever always has honed his film IQ.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was important.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for some reason, he does not get the importance of the towering in Furno and Irwin Allen.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the movie that literally created the formula for all disaster movies that followed.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping you agree, but even if you don't, I hope we can agree that Irwin Allen was a huge influence in his day, maybe a trashy influence.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But still, I think the best indication that he was important was that the way he could attract every single big name working at the time.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there anyone famous who is not in inferno?
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so, just like Night at the Living Dead created the zombie genre.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the towering inferno created the disaster film.
• 56:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can suggest him good reasons for him to look into Irwin Allen's work, but some films that were influenced by his work or some of the rules of disaster films that his work codified.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: That kind of thing.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He'll listen to you.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: don't let me down.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have a great new year and as always, love you guys.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesse's grandmother.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for writing and surveillance.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for writing.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's well, and I'm happy to take point on this for you.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesse, first, Jesse, listen to your grandmother.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jesse, listen to your grandmother because based on what we have heard, and granted, we've only heard her side of this.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 57:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but why is it what we've heard?
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Great tasting cinemas.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: a truly any grandmother who introduces you to Reckling for a dream and the godzilla movies, that's a cool grandma and you are very lucky to have her.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So seriously, you play a listen to in the past and I recommend listening to her here too.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there is not enough, I think, emphasis in just, in just general, culturally, on revisiting older movies.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a handful that I think everyone knows you're supposed to see at some point, the Wizard of Oz psycho, the Biggees.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, those are the films that stay in the consciousness, that they're constantly get screens that are getting new video additions all the time.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a few out there that just will not go away and you're probably aware of them whether or not you've seen them.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: What if I'm curious about films like the towering in Furno?
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that they were the biggest films in the world in their day?
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they were gigantic blockbuster.
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: They made huge amounts of money.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were filling the consciousness.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were inspiring rip-offs left and right.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they were nominated for Best Picture.
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tiring in Furno was nominated for Best Picture.
• 58:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tiring in Furno had the the
• 58:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: The 1970s cast a equivalent of Avengers Amgain.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, every major actor, every recognizable face was either entirely in Furnile, one of the films that was ripped, that was a rip off of Tauring in Furnile, or to be fair because Tauring in Furnile, I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say, Tauring in Furnile invented this genre or when I'm doing it for a little while.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Poseidon Adventure.
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I already come out in the airport movies.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're already a huge head.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't think there's work right now They weren't I think airport was the one that really kind of kicked the doors open But they were plenty of disaster movies.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I believe in the authorities San Francisco, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: was going to something like towering in Furnow.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And towering in Furnow is, stay with me on this.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's about a tower that's on fire, you know, looking like an inferno.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the movie.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's trapped in it.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a fucking literal disaster.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the beautiful things when you're watching movie like towering in Furnow is that you have to remember, you couldn't fake fire back that.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And these were a special effects, but by special effects like in camera, like there were some photographic effects being used, but like seriously these were genuinely giant spectacle films and you really did have to see them to believe them sometimes.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like when you look at like just just look at the Poseidon adventure and just turning a ship upside down and he had to build it.
• 1:00:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You said that you had to actually make that like you just have to like you look at a movie like a giant visual effect spectacular today like an avatar or whatever and it's very cool to look at you know that they didn't make it for real or if they did they made like one for photographic reference and then they scanned it into a computer
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Back in the days of the towering in Furna on the Poseidon Adventure, you had to do it.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You had to make it.
• 1:00:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You had to break it.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even if it was a model, there were big fucking models, man.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was really, really cool to see a visual effect spectacular back then.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the towering in Furna had, and I really, it's not all of these names are going to be exciting too.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But William Holden, Steve McQueen, you don't have to Steve McQueen as you should.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Paul Newman, you should.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fade done away one of the biggest stars in the world at the time.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fred is stare, one of the biggest stars ever.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Older in the 70s, but yeah, yeah, but still big deal though.
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like it was like getting Robert Redford for cats in America.
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh shit This this one's a little less cool, but it is of historical note.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, J Simpson.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, J Simpson's in it There was a time when that was considered a really good get The late Richard Chamberlain Yes, I just recently my mom had a big crush on Richard Chamberlain the rare film that had both Robert Vaughn and Robert Wagner the two guys
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: that when they touch it's like the two Ron silver's in time-cop.
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: For example, all they kind of like mushed together.
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it sounds like you're on the young side.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: You should also see time-cop.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're not.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't see time-cop.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to get to know Jean-Claude Vendam, there are other films you can see before time-cop.
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Many other films you should see before time-cop.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: What?
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're so handful, don't get me wrong.
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not like time-up is lower-ish a lot on John's life at day-up.
• 1:01:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's in the top five, probably.
• 1:01:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, all right.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't think it's in the top five.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's better films to- Because if you want to see him fighting and doing the physical stuff, you became a star to do, he doesn't do a lot of that stuff in time.
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's true.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true, but it's still a better movie.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a movie.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can see Bloodsport, you can see Heart Target.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you should see Sutton Death.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a fun one.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, was it double team the one that Dennis Rodman?
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not the one who played twins No, that ironically double team was the one with Dennis Rodman.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't that one right So he played twins like five times.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's true And occasionally clones and like movies like replicant Yeah, yeah double impact.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of your things double impact.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is the one I was thinking yeah We got off the beaten path.
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, but yeah, yeah
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: The towering fernal was the height of this kind of disaster genre of my tower to tell you.
• 1:02:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to tell her, just all of these big huge disaster phones, a lot of them with big big stars in them.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: These days, there's seen as maybe a little bit campy.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing them on TV, maybe because I saw the edited versions as a kid.
• 1:02:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw them as a little bit clunky.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were a lot pastoral because they were edited down for television.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like a handful of them were done with like a ton of effort, a ton of talent, and then a lot of them were not good.
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like avalanche, avalanche saw.
• 1:03:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have a life that's not good.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Earthquake, great visual effects.
• 1:03:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not very good.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The thing with these movies is basically, we can get the biggest stars in the world because we only need them each for like a couple of days.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they'll come in and they'll do it.
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll get them all.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're cutting between each of these storylines and then we can get the biggest stars in the world and they all feel like they've got top-of-line.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, there are disaster films to this day.
• 1:03:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We still see them, Ed.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they've fell out of fashion just because
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were special effects bananzas and once you unbound special effects with CGI, it became less interesting to watch them, just oh, there's a more CGI I also think about 9-11, and the idea of just blowing stuff up was less of a fun thing in it of itself For window, then I'd open up everything that I don't think for a while
• 1:03:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they were the biggest thing in the world, and then they just went away the trend ended and People stopped talking about the disaster films of the 1970s except for like a very specific type of obsessive gen X or who grew like saw them as kids I think the beside adventure always stuck around that was like the exception maybe that one and they did remake that one and as the movie was just called Poseidon.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: The genre came back around thanks almost solely to Roland Emerick a generation later.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the 90s he made You could say that independent stays a disaster film.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It has the feel of it even though it's an alien invasion It takes the Ruin Allen all star ensemble cast approach to alien invasion as opposed to a natural disaster That's a brilliant pitch
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then there were a few that were about extreme weather.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was Twister, the same year is Independence Day that was young about it.
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the young bonded that one.
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was Wolfgang Peterson's the perfect storm.
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was Dante's beacon volcano back to back.
• 1:04:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: There he goes, those were on the same, like deep impact of Armageddon, back to back senior.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they kind of came back these kind of ideas of these gigantic casts all reacting to some kind of big worldwide disaster.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: The last one I can think of that really just sort of did the cliché that you know about was 2012 and that one came out in 2009 We've had a couple since a San Andreas with Dwayne John That was a great reason and in fact they even did a Dwayne Johnson movie that was towering in Fernal meets Diehard called skyscraper Yeah, there you go.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, basically what if diehard except the building is on fire
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also, John McLean isn't in the building and has to climb it.
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's fucking cool.
• 1:05:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like skyscraper.
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very silly film, but it's a lot of fun.
• 1:05:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But they're right.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't get a lot of them.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't get a lot of them.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what I've noticed is we tend to talk about the past of whatever genre's hot right now.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: When superheroes aren't the big thing anymore, but when they were at the height of in the center of pop culture,
• 1:06:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: we were talking a lot about older superhero movies and even the most obscure things we're getting trudged up and talked about as a thing of vital parts of the genre everybody knew what cat woman was now within the home to wake him out yeah when Jennifer Gardner could show up as a lecturer deadpool and Wolverine and he will go oh as opposed to when that movie came out and they were like
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the movie came out and nobody cared.
• 1:06:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a big bomb and now it's a big deal.
• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because everybody started dredging up all those things.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if disaster movies were to come back, we talk about them, but because they're not big, there's this whole sub genre and there are many, many sub genres that we're not talking about because we have no modern context.
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:06:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, these were the big movies of the 70s.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Until Star Wars came around, these were the black button.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be hard to put something like a towering and furno into a modern context, other than to say,
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It made two hundred million dollars in 1974.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is that even with with the I don't look it up on an I don't know what I'm going to wait or I'm going for like it had a big budget at the time It's like thirty million dollars.
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just huge in 1974.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but it made two hundred million dollars It's nominated for eight of kind of war American That was just domestic.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't really track international war prices very often back so yeah, I'm looking this up right now
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can, there are some movies that we talk about like they're still important because we still watch them today that were blockbusters at the time.
• 1:07:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: The eyes are cyst.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was a gigantic blockbuster at the time.
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're still watching actress cysts.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're still making sequels to the eyes are cysts.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jaws, because Steven Spielberg is still active and we're still watching Jaws and made a bunch of money.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're still talking about that.
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: In between those two movies, we had the towering inferno, but we're not talking about that one.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: adjusting for inflation if you were to guess how much money did towering in front of make today and this is like tickets sold that's the equivalent okay all right how much money would you say the towering in front of made domestically alone in would it have made today in twenty twenty twenty six if it's all the same number takes a uh... i'm gonna say
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: $1.2 billion.
• 1:08:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Close, $1.3 billion.
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: $1.3 billion.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just in the United States of America.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's unheard of.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is unheard of.
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're very funny.
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're very funny.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're very funny.
• 1:08:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just in America, that's insane.
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: The first avatar made almost 3 billion, but that was mostly international sales.
• 1:08:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to look at it because I'm pretty sure they'll have domestic end.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, two hundred three point three million dollars in 1974.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not Domestic box office for avatore Just look at a highest domestic okay avatar in 2009 highest grossing movie of all time not adjusted for inflation Domestic Made half a billion dollars less than the towering in front of
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's how big the towering is.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how big the towering is for in a while.
• 1:09:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can then have a towering.
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, does that make it a great movie?
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not a series.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, but this is, but this is, this is in my history right here.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I trust me, if you watch these movies, if you're really paying attention to how they are structured and how they are produced, I guarantee you, you can draw a very straight line between the way a movie like towering in front of was crafted, storytelling, editing wise, and Avengers Infinity War.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: this movie that was picking all of these major actors and characters and half most of them never appeared on screen together until like the very last scene and even then not always.
• 1:09:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we're just crafting it out of all their subplots.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could draw a straight fucking line.
• 1:09:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I highly recommend you check out towering in Furno, but to be fair, I do think it's a slight exaggeration to say it defined the genre.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the biggest and most popular examples of the genre.
• 1:09:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would also recommend you check out the beside adventure.
• 1:10:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've actually never seen airport, but that was a huge deal too.
• 1:10:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was also nominated for Best Picture.
• 1:10:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can also go back in time to the 1930s.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is an olchicaga was not very good, but there's a lot of spectacle.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: See San Francisco with Clark Gable.
• 1:10:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a fun movie, like two thirds of it is just like a melodrama, a very titanic structure and then the Earthquake hits it down and it's mostly about digging through this flaming rubble looking for people.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the spectacle of what they accomplished in the 30s visual effects wise is fabulous.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Titanic definitely is a saxophone, and we are very versions of Titanic.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: 1950s alone had a night to remember, which was probably the most popular one.
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also, another one called Titanic.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you look at the one with Titanic, which I think said Barbara Stanwick in it,
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the 53 version yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the that was one part of a stand.
• 1:10:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can Barber Stanley.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Clifton Web.
• 1:10:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, film a writer.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's remember the one most people love.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I prefer that Titanic That Titanic has several similarities that are completely fucking fictional.
• 1:11:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: They added it just to boost up characters
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: that absolutely shut up in James Cameron's version.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're shots here, Mateen.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you want mom to watch the name, Mateen?
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: We do not talk about that, and I'm not using him of anything, it's about the same event.
• 1:11:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, he was influenced by all means.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: But we should at least give some credit where credit is due and watch that original Titanic, which I'm sorry, is just about as... Jake Cameron's got the spectacle.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: No one's going to pretend Cameron doesn't have the spectacle.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Titanic's on the best spectacle movies ever made.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: The 1950s Titanic is about as good and it has an extra subplot about a man who finds out that his son isn't his, his wife had an affair and he's on about with his wife.
• 1:11:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He hates his wife.
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: He loves his son.
• 1:11:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: His son doesn't know what's going on.
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where that subplot goes is one of the fucking
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Biggest tear-jerker moments I've seen in any movie.
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so fucking good, but I digress.
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to recommend everybody listening.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Get your grandmothers to write them.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ask your animals what their favorite movies were and what they've recommended to you that you haven't watched.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: We will stick up for the grandmothers, okay?
• 1:12:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to make that clear.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a grandmother friendly podcast.
• 1:12:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: We will get you to watch grandmother's favorite movies.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we will do anything we can to do it.
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Jesse, your grandmother has great taste.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: You should watch a towering in Fresno.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even if you say to yourself, this is kind of dated.
• 1:12:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I still think there's a lot in there and I think it's pretty fucking cool.
• 1:12:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's why I do recommend checking it out.
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And watch it with your grandmother.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think if you live in a city that has like retrospectives or respiratory houses, they'll probably show it on film at some point.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: See on a big screen, it doesn't screen enough, so I wouldn't wait for it if I were you, but if it is coming up, don't admit.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a kind of new you should see on the big screen if you can.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And really any of those classes that's something, I think Poseidon Adventure often shows, I'm like,
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: around New Year's, it's set on New Year's Eve.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you probably missed your window right now, but that's ever showing on the big screen.
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You should see that, because that's really fucking cool.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: With the liquid raging hack, there you go.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah awesome stuff.
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's a letter from Daniel, hello Daniel.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey Daniel.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dear William Viviani, what do you say about that?
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hi.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any movies you have defended more than they deserve because you heard criticism that you found overly harsh?
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any movies that you have reviewed for the podcast that you feel you have over-competited your opinion because the other one of you was overly kind or harsh to a film?
• 1:13:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: The question comes from listening to every interview of Avatar Fire and Ash.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't love the film, I didn't enjoy it, I did enjoy it, and I found you're a view dismissive and wrong.
• 1:13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: In your review, you mentioned not believing material, not believing materialies racism.
• 1:14:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I found it completely understandable after Avatar The Way of Water.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, system, like, really slurs about humans.
• 1:14:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I apologize, but I said I didn't believe it.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just think, unfortunately, that was all there was to her character in this one, and I found that, I don't know.
• 1:14:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what I met, if I apologize if I said the other thing.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, this is an example of an opinion you had that had me in my mind defending avatar fire and actually more than it deserves.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I understand everyone has their own opinions and I'm just curious if any critics film opinions have caused a greater than expected reaction from you.
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for a great podcast.
• 1:14:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and please do the amazing screw on head for canceled to soon.
• 1:14:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, if you've seen unicorn wars from 2022, if not please watch it because I would really like to hear your review of it Daniel I don't know unicorn wars is an extremely bleak animated movie about the horrors of war with very very cute animals doing Absolutely horrible things that make a apocalypse now look like a children's felchews
• 1:14:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have not seen it, I have seen videos about it.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would back when it was not available in America.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's available now, relatively easily, and I never haven't got around to it yet, because I kind of miss my window for that to be relevant when it came out.
• 1:15:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will catch up to it at some point, but it feel like it's the kind of movie I'm going to need to be in the mood for, which isn't necessarily all the time to be fair.
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dan, two question, that's really for a point, actually.
• 1:15:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think there is a thing that kicks in,
• 1:15:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: when we see a movie that we like that is being heavily criticized, or a movie that we don't particularly like that's being overly praised.
• 1:15:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I find myself currently wrestling with some feelings in that second way, because I am not like,
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I find myself being forced to emphasize the criticisms I have with one battle after another just because very few people are talking about them.
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the majority of the time when I'm talking about that movie, I don't think it's great.
• 1:16:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's great stuff in it.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it all comes together terribly well, but I wasn't entirely passionate about disliking it.
• 1:16:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: but then everyone kept saying it was the greatest thing ever and then I'd read some of their things that they were praising and I was like I think there are interpretations of that scene that are valid that are nowhere near as generous as people are giving it ready for.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hear people talked about the character of perfidia played by Tiana Taylor in these very gushing tones and I'm like
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: She does monstrous things.
• 1:16:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think the movie does a very good job of reckoning with that.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a few, but not all of them, actually.
• 1:16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that there's things that that movie misses.
• 1:16:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I honestly think a lot of that comes from, coming from a director who was very, very talented, but is looking at these giant events and things him through a very particular, frankly, very privileged lens.
• 1:17:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: and it's frustrating to me that this movie is soaking up and there's room to praise so many movies at the end of the year.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: With awards and top ten lists and everything and I feel like it's kind of sucking up a lot of the space and sucking a lot of the oxygen out of the room that could be used to also praise other movies as much because even if I think you think it's great there are other great movies this year.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I find myself, unfortunately, being forced, when that force, forces run, I feel myself obligated, obligated to bring up my criticisms of that movie more than more than my praise.
• 1:17:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I remember another example, when I first saw Star Wars Last Jedi, I was so used to every Star Wars movie coming out, being completely praised and
• 1:17:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I thought I was going to be the biggest asshole about the last time, because there are things I don't think work in that movie, like I think the very ending with the broom kid.
• 1:18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's somewhat tainted by the whole idea of him having essentially the in-universe version of Star Wars merch.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was going to be something that we would be talking about.
• 1:18:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, actually turns out the critic says it's most people I had.
• 1:18:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I found relatively inane and not really in keeping with what's in the text.
• 1:18:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I actually do love that movie, every watch that movie, I found myself gravitating more to that movie, but I went from thinking I was going to be one of the more critical critics of it to finding by surprise that I was one of the critics who was highest on it.
• 1:18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And my criticisms felt pretty fucking minor compared to the criticisms other people had that didn't make sense Yeah, so I ended up basically saying like yeah, there's parts of it that are like you know kind of rushed or like too much of it It's too long maybe doesn't really need to whatever like and these are all fair But they don't attract from a being a really good movie and the things that people said did to attract I don't even think half of them exist
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're just searching for the Netflix based in your pre-conceived notion for the that film in particular Remember a lot of a lot of critics mostly a lot of like fan Slash critics the Manus fear was really on that one They were like bunch of dudes basically just saying they ruined Star Wars.
• 1:19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well I don't want to address them because they don't care but but I think they informed the idea of the conversation more than the actual conversation Well most people didn't have that kind of
• 1:19:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: What I was going to say is there were some elements from the previous film that were just sort of introduced but they weren't big mysteries in that film.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't important parts of the story.
• 1:19:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yet by the time we got to the sequel, there was like now this new discussion that was being had about the identity of the giant character Snoke.
• 1:19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a big bad guy.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the emperor.
• 1:19:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I already have all the information I need to know.
• 1:19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no mystery to that guy.
• 1:19:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know more about Snoke after the Force Awakens than I did about the emperor and Star Wars uh, a new hope.
• 1:20:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's like a lot more.
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even see the temper in that first.
• 1:20:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: We saw this cool mysterious giant who's pulling the strings.
• 1:20:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I need to know about that character.
• 1:20:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a big mystery.
• 1:20:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: My one reddit that he wasn't that tall.
• 1:20:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:20:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: How cool would that have been?
• 1:20:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just made a horrible idea.
• 1:20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was 20 feet tall.
• 1:20:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would have been fucking cool.
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: What a cop out.
• 1:20:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then there was also this idea like, who are raised parents?
• 1:20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
• 1:20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a big part of the movie.
• 1:20:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: They abandon her man.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, she's a found, that's the point of the characters, that she doesn't know who her parents are.
• 1:20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Finding out who they are is not a part of this tale, and I don't care who.
• 1:20:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, when Luke Skywalker and Met Obi-Wan Kenobi, Obi-Wan Kenobi made a big deal about who his dad was.
• 1:20:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have to do that.
• 1:20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: If he hadn't, we would just say, oh, he's starving.
• 1:20:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, okay, that's enough for most stories But because it's Star Wars, it's like, oh well, we have to find out the identity of her parents They didn't have the ever say that and when in last Jedi they said her parents were nobody I was like, yeah
• 1:21:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I assumed, otherwise you would have made a big deal out of it, but you didn't, but again, these were things that people were complaining about, and I think a lot of the more imaginary, or the very least, really puffed up.
• 1:21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is a phenomenon though, and actually, you and I recently had a conversation about an upcoming release.
• 1:21:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're you're not a big fan of the movie.
• 1:21:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and I liked it kind of.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't love the movie It's not one of my favorite of the year, but I understood it and I understood why some people Really love it and I did like it.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll talk about this in the next episode.
• 1:21:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you were
• 1:21:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: coming down you're actually very articulate repeating of what you found sort of objectionable about this fall.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in particular it was about the ending which made it difficult for me to tell other people like especially before it came out.
• 1:21:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:21:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it was very difficult for me to back up my opinion on the movie, or even in the movie I had to be vague.
• 1:21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I found myself having to like really come to this movie's defense just because you were coming down so hard on it.
• 1:21:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:21:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: not because I love the movie just because I was trying to sort of sort out my own feelings about what you had a different interpretation of the ending and I'll I'll leave it vague at that but what I love about Whitney and I think one of the things that makes him a great critic is that you can push no you can push back at him and say I didn't like it for these reasons and then he will say I liked it for these reasons and those reasons are not what everyone else is saying
• 1:22:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm actually listening to Whitney and I'm like, oh, well, okay, shit.
• 1:22:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's actually a good point.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't thought of that And I had to take a moment and say does that make me change my feeling about the film?
• 1:22:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not entirely, but I think I've softened on it.
• 1:22:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I still don't think it works, but I think I think things are figuring out about that movie I'm not having a chance to think about there because of that discussion though I'm thinking about it a little more like trying to become a little bit more articulate about my opinions.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: There doesn't have to be pushback.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I
• 1:22:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: There doesn't have to be that sort of combative response, but if you love something and other people are saying they don't like it.
• 1:23:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I get it.
• 1:23:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was just an episode of ScreenDrafts where that's gonna happen, spoiler alert.
• 1:23:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's at least one Paul W.S.
• 1:23:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anderson movie that one of the other drafters loves that I did like.
• 1:23:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And vice versa, I might add.
• 1:23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:23:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there will be a lot of, I can't believe you didn't like it.
• 1:23:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I loved it for these reasons.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't believe you liked it.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hated it for these reasons.
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes are these exact same reasons.
• 1:23:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I learned, and I actually learned something from that interaction about, and I was tricky because that's a six-hour podcast.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was a very long time.
• 1:23:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: By the end of it, I don't think I was as articulate as I should have been and looking back at it.
• 1:23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I had the social anxiety afterwards where I was, you know that social anxiety to get after the fact, like you just leave a party, and now you're thinking about every social interaction you had, and I was like, wait a minute.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was my inflection bad, that person think I'm an asshole now or did I not say something well enough and now everyone hates me and there's a part of me that did that and I'm looking back on and I'm like I honestly think I could have articulated my critiques better and I could have articulated my defense better and I need to work on that, the paraphrase Dorothy Parker, I have to sharpen my tongue.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think these conversations are really important to have something throughout the heart of our criticisms because we're all sharing our ideas and the idea that have an actual dialogue is great, but you are correct, listener, that there is a tendency to overcompensate.
• 1:24:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I find this happens to a couple of movies a year where everyone else hates them and I like them and I end up having to shout a little louder just to get heard.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I try not to,
• 1:24:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Delving to hyperbole, but I sometimes end up glossing over my own criticisms because I either feel other people aren't giving the good points enough credit and vice versa.
• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, but that's a very fair point.
• 1:25:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I apologize if we seemed...
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: especially rude about avatar.
• 1:25:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we both feel very strongly about it and not just the quality of the film, but also kind of what it represents right now.
• 1:25:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: But also, we just great.
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am glad that you liked it.
• 1:25:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will say this right now.
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I don't like a movie, and someone else likes a movie,
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: In my head, they win.
• 1:25:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: They got to see you good movie today.
• 1:25:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't.
• 1:25:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that doesn't mean, I mean, I might change my mind.
• 1:25:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: But even if I don't, you win.
• 1:25:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You saw that you're filming.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good graduation, that sounds great.
• 1:25:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes if you explain why enough, I'll see it too.
• 1:25:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's in that great.
• 1:25:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Put a treat.
• 1:25:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just went off on a rant, didn't I?
• 1:25:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 1:25:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: You go Dennis Miller.
• 1:25:57
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• 1:26:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I guess that's it for now.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 1:26:27
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