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Ep. 19 - Are Trees Portals? · Martyr's Row

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  Saint Timothy was born 17 AD in Lystra, Asia
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  Minor, and was converted through the ministry
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  of Saint Paul in the year 52. Saint Paul said
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  of him, I have no one like him due to his devotion
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  to the faith. Saint Timothy was ordained the
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  first bishop of Ephesus and served there for
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  15 years. The end of his service came when he
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  was martyred by a mob of pagan worshipers during
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  the immoral festival of Catagogion. St. Timothy
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  tried to stop a procession honoring the goddess
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  Diana by preaching the gospel. Unfortunately,
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  the pagans did not receive this well and beat
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  him, dragged him through the streets, and stoned
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  him to death. He died AD 97 in Ephesus. Hey Paul.
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  Hey Stephen. You know what I think is the most
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  amazing thing? What? And I think I probably,
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  one of us makes a mention of this, probably me
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  mostly. Okay. I feel like every episode we've
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  done, our snaps get better and better. Yeah.
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  To the point where right now that was almost
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  effortless. Not only that, it was dead on time.
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  Yeah. That's not a phrase. It was, yeah, it was
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  so synced. To be fair though, we've played music
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  together. That's true. That does help. Every
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  episode we play music together. But beyond this
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  podcast. We've done it before. And you play bass
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  often, even though that's not necessarily your
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  main instrument or your first instrument. And
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  then drums is my first instrument, which I also
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  rarely play. Well, you play bass a lot, but your
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  first instruments you don't really as much. Which
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  is funny to think about. It's like, I actually
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  had that conversation with someone recently.
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  Yeah. Where I was like, yeah, bass isn't my first,
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  and it's actually not even my best instrument.
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  And probably not your favorite. No, there's parts
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  that I love, but it's not my favorite. Yeah.
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  I think for the main reason, it exposed a lot
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  of things in me that I needed to get better at.
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  Yeah. And so that's why I want to focus on this
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  one. Right. Which is helping me a ton. Yeah.
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  Yeah, because you realize that no one cares about
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  you. You know, it's funny there are people that
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  will be like, oh yeah, I saw you up there playing.
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  Are you playing guitar? I was like, yeah, yeah,
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  playing bass. Like, oh, I thought you were playing
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  electric. It's like, no, I'm playing bass. Like,
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  oh. It's like, dang. That was good as I thought.
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  Meanwhile the guy playing electric is like And
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  like the base is the is they're feeling it constantly
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  It's in there. Yes. No you played that thing.
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  Oh That's why I hate you Well, it is funny cuz
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  actually Even at church I was playing there.
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  Yeah for a while cuz we're up on on a platform
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  right and But I've for the back line for the
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  band. Yeah, there's not a ton of lighting on
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  us true and it's funny because I think I was
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  playing Consistently for like three or four months.
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  Yeah, and Somewhat one of my friends mom's was
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  like, oh, hey, I saw you up there playing this
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  this last Sunday I was like, oh cool. They're
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  like, yeah, are you gonna start doing that more
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  often and then someone else is like Mom, he plays
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  there, like, every week. You said someone else.
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  Yeah, I didn't have to say it. And then someone
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  else was like, hey, Mom. Yeah. It's not my mom.
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  That's hilarious. Like, he's up there all the
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  time. Yeah. Well, that's kind of like, I mean,
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  to be fair, that's kind of like our podcast.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Like, this is episode 19 and people
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  are probably just now listening. Yeah, that's
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  crazy. Just now. They're like, oh, let me figure
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  this thing out. The computer. How do computers
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  work? How do computers work? Let me type in how
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  to use computer. Yeah, that would be wild. But
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  yeah, welcome, if this is your first episode.
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  If it's your first one, I'm glad you're here
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  for this one. Yeah. This one specifically. That's
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  like a funny thing with church, too It's like
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  we're glad we're glad to see you guys again.
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  And if you're brand new this one's on us Like
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  that's always a funny thing. It's like for everybody
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  else. It's not you gotta pull your share. I Mean,
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  that's that's not not true, but it's true It's
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  like out of context phrase But yeah, I don't
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  know. Yeah, so You know I to initiate you guys
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  that aren't this your first time if he's your
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  first time here Raise your hand. Let's see him.
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  I see you. I see that hand. All the way in the
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  back. Also, there's those moments where you're
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  like, are they lying? You know when the pastor
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  is like, all right, if you prayed this prayer,
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  raise your hand. It's like, I really hope that
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  they're telling the truth. We've got to take
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  their word for it. Paul, that's a whole episode.
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  That is a whole episode. T -shirts available
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  now at MartyrsRoad .com Slash pocket tees only.
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  Pocket tees only. Or is it only? What is it?
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  Pocket tees only? Ford slash Paul. Paul at MartyrsRoad
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  .com. Backslash save 25 Paul's mom. Hashtag not
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  my mom. Big savings for a wonderful mother. So
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  make sure you put that, as you're editing this
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  episode, put that URL right here. Cause there's
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  no way they remembered it. No, I don't remember
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  it. So just put it there as we edit. It's gonna
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  be right here. It just put a bunch of random
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  letters. This is one of those where I'm gonna
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  spend way too much time editing. No, don't do
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  it. I'll do it. Okay, fair enough. I'm gonna
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  blur your index finger. This one? I can just
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  see the next two weeks of my life disappearing.
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  Oh no. Yeah, so for all those of you in the back
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  of the internet, welcome. Yeah, welcome. Welcome
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  to the front of the internet. The side? This
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  is the side room of the internet? We're kind
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  of fringe, so I feel like it's the side. Are
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  we fringe? I think people would probably put
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  this there. I think my eye is twitching. Does
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  your eye ever twitch? Yeah. What does that mean?
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  For me, it means I haven't slept enough. Thank
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  you. I always like to be grateful, regardless
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  of... Thank you. Regardless of what's happening,
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  I just choose to be grateful. I choose gratitude.
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  Thank you for that word. I choose gratitude.
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  Yeah, I actually heard this idea the other day,
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  and it's stuck with me now. It's like, if you
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  fall asleep immediately, have we talked about
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  this? So if you're a person like me, this is
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  definitely me, that by the time I get in bed,
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  I lay down and get situated, and then I'm like,
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  it's like immediate sleep. I can set my time
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  to how quickly I fall asleep. So that actually
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  means that you're sleep deprived. What? Uh oh.
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  So if you're a person that like... I thought
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  it was a good thing. No. Oh shoot. Well that's
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  like that's so falling asleep immediately when
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  you go to sleep is a good thing the way that
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  eating all your food at dinnertime is a good
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  thing. Okay. It's like that's not actually a
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  good thing. Because you need it or? The food
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  or the sleep? Well I mean both. Where it's like
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  okay you eat all your food because you you were
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  ready for it. No, no. You ate all your food and
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  you felt good about it because when you were
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  growing up, your parents told you to eat all
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  your food. Oh, no. And you should, because you
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  were a growing little boy. Yeah, and because
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  of the kids in Africa. Oh, they said that too?
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  Yeah, someone said it at least. I'm sorry, Paul.
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  Also lead with empathy. Thank you for that. With
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  gratitude and empathy. Hey, thank you. Yeah.
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  But no, I, like, so yeah, you shouldn't finish
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  your whole dinner just because there's food on
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  the plate. Oh, for sure. Because then potentially
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  you're overeating all the time. Yeah. Depending
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  on where you are. Like if you're at Chipotle
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  and you eat your whole meal. So much food. Probably,
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  like, if you hadn't eaten anything that day,
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  maybe that's fine. Yeah. But if that's your third
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  meal of the day. You're probably not in a good
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  place. I don't think I've ever finished a Chipotle
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  bowl in one go. Yeah, the only way I would say
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  like that makes sense is if like you woke up
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  at 5 a .m. And you ran six miles and then you
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  had breakfast and it was a high protein breakfast.
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  And then you went And did a 16 hour workout.
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  Drinking nothing but black coffee. I thought
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  you were gonna say black milk for some reason.
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  Don't know charcoal. I don't know activated charcoal
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  in it. Yeah, and then it's good for your teeth
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  Yeah, then um yeah, and then you in the day by
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  is it? So unless you're burning like 20 ,000
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  calories a day Yeah, you shouldn't need all of
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  your Chipotle as a third meal And you definitely
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  shouldn't be eating Taco Bell's a fourth meal.
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  You shouldn't be eating Taco Bell for any me
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  Someone's listening to this right now. He's eating
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  like a Crunchwrap Supreme. It has like four taco
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  shells on it, because for some reason they just
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  keep adding taco shells. I need more. They're
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  like, and now our new Supreme flippity flop pancake
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  shell. Extra taco shells. Now with extra Doritos.
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  We could guarantee diarrhea. This podcast brought
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  to you by Taco Bell. Sponsor us, please. Ding.
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  You know what's terrible though? And this will
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  remove our sponsorship. So I'll cut this out
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  if they sponsor us. Baja Blast is the best soda.
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  You know what words to live by? Make every day
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  a Baja Blast because you never know when it'll
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  be your Baja last. They have to sponsor us now.
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  I know! Please, please. I did that for you. Is
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  that not a t -shirt? It should be. It absolutely
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  should be. Yeah, I want it to be. Brought to
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  you by pockettees .com. Pocketteesonly .com.
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  Sport slash marketing. Oh yeah, like, what is
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  this about? Surprised by it? Someone behind you
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  in Publix is reading the back of your shirt.
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  They're like, oh, that's so funny brought you
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  my Marshal No They run out I wanna do a limited
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  edition for this pocket seat Where it comes with
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  like a little keychain that fits in the pocket
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  and it's a tiny little Baja blast cup But it's
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  connected so it doesn't come out. Yeah. Yeah,
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  but you think it's only a limited run Okay, we
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  can only make three of them yeah so if you're
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  one of those three lucky people congrats let
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  us know you're welcome and we're sorry you know
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  what's funny i was gonna ask you a question about
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  the 90s okay but i like where we went much better
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  yeah but that is the 90s i know and that's why
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  like we actually kind of went there well you
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  could have just asked it because we set it up
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  i know but we just kept going so no ask it okay
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  what's your 90s question so also if this is your
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  first time This is what we're here for. This
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  is what we do. Well, this is what we do right
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  now. Yeah, we'll do something else later. It'll
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  also be cool. And you can come with us. Come
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  with us. That's kind of a little bit of what
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  we'll do then. That's the one. And you'll see
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  a lot of pocketies and no chocolate. Oh, maybe
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  we could put the chocolate, like put a chocolate
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  bar in your pocket. Oh, yeah. And then. Say,
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  like, wash before you wear. And it's just like
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  chocolate all over the shirt. It's part of the
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  art. You have to wash it first. It just stains
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  all in the pot. But that's like part of the design.
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  It ruins your entire load of laundry. That's
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  like a Banksy t -shirt. That's so true. Actually,
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  you know, people would probably pay a lot for
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  that art. Banksy, if you're watching, you're
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  welcome. Sponsor us. Hashtag you're welcome.
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  Talk about it. You can design a... pocket t -shirt
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  for us. So 90s. Yo quiero Taco Bell. You remember
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  that? Liv Moss. That was later. Yeah, that was
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  later. That was a later campaign. Yeah, that's
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  new Belle, not old Belle. What kind of dog was
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  it? Chihuahua. Yeah, that's right. Spiky ears.
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  Yeah. I wanted to say wiener dog, but not that.
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  You know, so I, cause I was watching this before
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  we started recording, before I came here. Okay.
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  My roommate was telling me about this movie that
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  he loved growing up. Okay. He's like, but he's
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  like I started watching it the other day and
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  it's really bad and I was like, let's watch it
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  Because I love terrible movies. Oh, okay, like
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  not like bad for your soul No, just like bad
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  like it's like a bad not a good movie. Oh, that's
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  the best and I was like, these are my favorite
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  Yeah, what's one movie that you saw completely
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  by yourself that you? Promise is the best movie
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  ever made But as soon as you told someone else,
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  they were like, what? No, no, just listen to
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  me. It's the best movie I've ever seen. Or worse,
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  you were like, oh, we've got to watch this movie.
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  And you watch it with someone else. Oh, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. And you go, this is not a good movie.
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  This is terrible. I must have been sleep deprived,
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  eating Taco Bell, drinking Baja Blast, in a chocolate
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  covered t -shirt, drinking charcoal milk. After
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  a six -hour run. Eating a flippity flop crunch
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  with 17 taco shells. You can't even find the
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  meat. It's just all crunch. It's just crunch.
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  Nothing but crunch. But it's Taco Bell, so it's
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  all soggy. Even though it's 17 hard shell tacos.
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  I haven't eaten Taco Bell in probably 10 years.
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  Don't do it. but here's the thing okay a couple
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  weeks ago no a couple weeks ago um my sisters
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  and one of her friends were visiting you said
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  10 i promise you said 17 but that's how many
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  taco shells yeah that's how many are in the soggy
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  crunch supreme so your sister's friend was visiting
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  yeah only in my sister's okay with the she's
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  not important no so well she's the one who pressured
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  me oh got it well they're like oh we need or
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  sister sister To hang out with your sister's
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  friend? No, to eat Taco Bell. Gotcha. Hi sister's
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  friend. And they're like, oh, we need Taco Bell.
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  Was she born in the 90s? Uh, 96, yeah. Oh. Moment
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  of silence. 96, that was an Olympic year. That
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  was also, I think, the last of the millennials.
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  It was also Charlie Brown? Nope, Chicago Bulls.
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  Michael Jordan. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I watched that
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  cuz in 96 I was six years old. That's crazy.
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  I was too You were also six 94 So your sister's
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  friend made you eat Taco Bell No, my sister did
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  my her friend was just with us in the car. Okay,
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  innocent bystander Yeah. Yeah. Well, she also
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  ate Taco Bell. Did you eat it in the car? Well,
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  here's the thing We got up there and I was like,
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  you know what, maybe I'll break my streak. And
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  then I looked at the menu and I was like, that
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  looks disgusting. Yeah, it's gross. Brought to
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  you by Taco Bell. Sponsored by, people love it.
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  Just not me. But I do for money. I was like,
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  you know what, maybe I'll give it a go. Then
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  I saw it and I was like, nah, I can't do it.
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  So they went ahead and ordered. I also have this
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  fear of drive -thrus. So I was like, I just can't
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  do them. So I made them order for me. You can't
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  do drive throughs in general. I hate it. Interesting.
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  Do you feel trapped? I feel like it's just the
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  pressure of like, what do you want? And I know
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  I can be like, give me a minute. But in my head,
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  I'm like, they hate me. Dude, you can pre -order
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  everything on. I just like to go in. That's when
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  I like to banter. Do you also use cash? Sometimes.
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  Am I also 85 years old? Wait, wait. Good chance.
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  Do you also use change? Do you bring a jar of
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  change and you count it out for them? Back in
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  my day, there's five cents. And it's all in your
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  pocket, but your shirt's like weighed down by
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  the - Heavy pocket tee. Can we make a pocket
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  tee that's already, the pocket's already worn
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  out from all the change. Well, Donald Trump got
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  rid of the penny, so we can just put them all
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  in our pocket tee. They should get rid of the
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  penny. That's the who knows he's getting everything.
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  I think we should get rid of everything except
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  the quarter Yeah, but I think general. I think
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  we need to add some bills I was talking to my
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  brother about this. Oh, yeah, because they're
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  like what happened to Taco Bell. Oh, yes, all
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  right You got me an American currency here. Oh
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  Boy, that's another I'll come back I just think
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  we should add some bills like a 15 or 25 dollar
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  bill cuz I would make my life so much easier
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  What just use a credit card? Or a debit card.
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  No, I like cash. Or like cash apps. I use credit
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  cards too, but it's also nice to be like, I just
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  have $15 right here. That's true. And it's one
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  bill. Huh. You're saying because things don't
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  cost $5 or $10, they cost $15. Yeah. That kind
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  of makes sense. Or it's like 12. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. Or it's like, here's this thing for
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  $24 .99. It's like, just take a $25 bill. Let's
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  call it a day. But it's not $25. No, it'll be
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  more to the tax. Yeah, it'd be like $26. That's
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  another thing we need to figure out. Yeah. But
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  anyway. Absorb the tax. Taco Bell. Yeah, Taco
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  Bell. They ordered food and I could just spell
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  in the car and I was like, I'm glad they didn't
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  order any food. Oh, you didn't? Did you at least
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  get a Baja Blast? No. I was like, no, I'm good.
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  There's something about - Well, so my sister
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  was like, eat it, take a bite, and I was like,
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  no, I'm good. Eat it! It was like that scene
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  - Listen to the crunch! It was like that scene
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  from Matilda with the chocolate cake. Eat it!
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  Was Matilda the movie you guys watched? No. Okay.
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  Well then, so I was like, okay, fine, I'll take
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  a bite. And I was just like holding it up to
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  my face and I was like - I don't want this in
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  my mouth. Like, just the smell of it. I could
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  just smell my childhood memories of just hurled
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  over a toilet. And so I was like, I can't do
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  it. She's like, don't be a baby, just take a
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  bite. So then I crumbled to pure pressure very
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  quickly. So I took a bite and I was like, I don't
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  think I can swallow this. You spit it out? I
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  came this close to spitting it out. What, did
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  it have beans in it? No, I don't know what it
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  was. It was like that meat stuff they call it.
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  I don't think they can call it meat. Ground beef.
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  Maybe. It's slop. It had the appearance of ground
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  beef. Yikes. So yeah, what was the movie? Oh,
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  we didn't see a movie. No, no, I know, but you
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  talked about your friend. Oh, yeah. That you
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  wanted to watch it. We've talked about three
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  different things. We've gone a lot of places.
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  If this is your first episode, this is actually
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  like as... like our life in real time. This is
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  our real conversation. Yeah. We normally do that
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  here, but if you wonder if I'm self diagnosed
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  ADHD. Yes. And I mean anything. No, but I go
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  on to prove it every time I talk. So Paul's just
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  trying to be ADHD. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Stolen Valor.
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  Moment of silence. You can't do the Barry Bonds.
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  Well, yeah, so this movie is called Three Ninjas
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  Kickback. I love that movie. You've seen it?
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  Yeah. I'm watching it for the first time. I'm
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  halfway through it right now. What's the one?
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  Wait, you're halfway through it? Yeah. You can't...
• 20:46
  Well, I had to come here to record. We kind of
• 20:49
  just started on a whim because he was like, hey,
• 20:52
  have you seen this movie? Like, no. He's like,
• 20:54
  it's so bad, but I loved it. Let's start. It's
• 20:57
  the second one though. Oh, it's the second one
• 21:00
  three ninjas kick back. Yeah, that's the second
• 21:02
  one Oh dang the first one's called. I had a situation
• 21:05
  first because it said kick Is it really no, it's
• 21:10
  just called three ninjas. Oh that makes sense.
• 21:12
  Yeah, but it's Shadrach Meshach and Abednego
• 21:15
  For some reason in my mind that's what their
• 21:20
  names sound like It kind of because one the youngest
• 21:23
  kids tum -tum tum -tum that he's always eating
• 21:25
  candy. I almost said tum -ness. Oh, it's oh Pan
• 21:31
  I hope you're not listening. It's not for you
• 21:35
  Diana Call back to our boys Saint Timothy intro
• 21:42
  come on Tim Tim Tim Tim but oh wait Christmas
• 21:47
  Carol Little Timmy little Tim little Tiny Tim
• 21:50
  Tiny Tim Yeah, so tum -tum tum -tum and then
• 21:54
  one of the kids is rocky rocky. Yeah one is I
• 21:59
  Just watched you think I'd know Jimbo Colton
• 22:01
  or something or colt. Oh that actually makes
• 22:03
  cold. Yeah. Yeah colt. Yeah colt rocky Tom Tom
• 22:08
  This is a bunch of horse that kid he's got on
• 22:10
  his watch it goes off like every 20 minutes And
• 22:14
  he'll just run and buy a bunch of hot dogs They're
• 22:19
  playing a softball game and he's just like hot
• 22:22
  dogs And he's way too young to be playing with
• 22:25
  the rest of these kids But that's the great thing
• 22:27
  about 90s movies is that they just put things
• 22:29
  in that don't make any sense and you're like
• 22:31
  sure well also because none of the kids Look
• 22:36
  Japanese at all. No their grandfather is Right
• 22:41
  very Japanese. Yes, and his daughter and her
• 22:44
  husband not at all And I was like, there's not
• 22:48
  even like a bridge. That is like, yeah, that's
• 22:53
  their grandfather. And his jeans didn't even
• 22:56
  try. Like his genetics were like, what else?
• 23:03
  Three ninjas. Yeah, so they skipped a generation
• 23:06
  I guess. Cause they don't look Japanese, but
• 23:09
  for some reason they're ninjas. And also one
• 23:11
  of them can speak Japanese, but the grandfather
• 23:13
  can't? Oh. I don't remember that it's weird It's
• 23:18
  weird, but there is a three ninjas. I think it's
• 23:20
  the third one where they have to like surf from
• 23:24
  an island to another island and there's like
• 23:28
  a hundred people on surfboards Incredible. It's
• 23:32
  yeah, that's a memory. I have but I think but
• 23:34
  the first three ninjas has like a home alone
• 23:36
  situation. Oh Okay, is that in this that's not
• 23:40
  in this there's like they have someone try to
• 23:42
  break into the house and they do like home alone
• 23:43
  esque things Oh, maybe that is the first one,
• 23:46
  then. But this is the second one. It's like a
• 23:48
  really quick, like a side in it. OK. And it seems
• 23:51
  like it's just like a nod to something. Oh, then
• 23:53
  it is the first one. So it's probably the first
• 23:54
  one. Yeah, because the first one, there's like
• 23:56
  a whole like sequence where like they get above
• 23:59
  the doors and like it's all these. OK. Yeah,
• 24:01
  they kind of nod to it in the second one. OK.
• 24:04
  That's interesting, but I think that's that's
• 24:06
  what is it though. It's three ninjas I know and
• 24:09
  I love how that's their name like who are you
• 24:11
  guys? We're the three ninjas three ninjas hot
• 24:15
  dog time. Oh Who's eating my good and plenty?
• 24:23
  Oh Man, but I think when I when I look back to
• 24:25
  that and you see just like a different age. Yeah,
• 24:28
  yeah It's funny cuz I'm looking at this and it's
• 24:30
  like all right I was young during this time and
• 24:33
  like between that in the early 2000s, right?
• 24:35
  But it's like I remember the early 2000s more
• 24:37
  But it's like wow, like what how much have things
• 24:41
  changed in such a short period of time And you
• 24:45
  think about just being just being young in that
• 24:48
  era and that's what made me think of our boy
• 24:50
  Timothy Yeah, I like that very loose connection.
• 24:53
  Yeah, cuz I mean say Timothy we we know that
• 24:57
  we know like his time frame. So I think he dies
• 25:02
  when he's like 79, 80. So he lives a pretty full
• 25:05
  life. He lives pretty long, yeah. I don't know
• 25:07
  if he lives a full life, but he lived a long
• 25:09
  time. A long time. And he kind of stayed out
• 25:12
  of Jerusalem. Like he was born in an Asian minor,
• 25:15
  and then he dies in Ephesus. So he kind of is
• 25:19
  from that whole like Turkey region. He just kind
• 25:21
  of hung out there. And it sounds like Paul goes
• 25:24
  and finds him there. and then he's part of what's
• 25:28
  going on there. Yeah, because he was the pastor
• 25:31
  at Ephesus for a while, wasn't he? Yeah, they
• 25:33
  said 15 years. Okay, yeah, that's crazy. But
• 25:36
  I remember his age was always such a big thing
• 25:39
  in scripture. It's something that Paul talks
• 25:42
  about. Which makes sense, because it shows us
• 25:46
  that he was born around 17 AD. So he would have
• 25:51
  been half of everybody's age, if you think about
• 25:54
  that. Like if most of the guys are around the
• 25:57
  age of 30, in 30 AD, then he's 15. So he's half
• 26:02
  their age. Just a little kid. Well, it's funny
• 26:05
  because it makes me think, it's funny now that
• 26:08
  I can have this experience, or before when you're
• 26:10
  the young guy looking at the older people, and
• 26:13
  you're like, why don't they respect me? Like,
• 26:15
  I think I deserve it. I get no respect. I get
• 26:17
  no respect around you. And then now it's funny
• 26:20
  because like, oh, here I am, 30, and I meet someone
• 26:23
  who's 15. I'm like, wow, they're... a kid. So
• 26:26
  dumb. You are stupid. But it's funny. It's like,
• 26:31
  oh, I think for me, I try to put myself in that
• 26:34
  place. Like, how do I show them respect? Yeah.
• 26:36
  For what they do know. Yeah. And then help guide
• 26:39
  like what they don't. Yeah. Because you even
• 26:41
  have young people that come to work for us at
• 26:43
  the with painting. And it's like, oh, you got
• 26:45
  these fresh, like 18, 19 year old kids. OK. And
• 26:49
  it's like, wow, some of them think they know
• 26:51
  everything. And I was like, that's amazing. Yeah.
• 26:55
  Like that's incredible. Which by the way, Paul
• 26:57
  and I don't own a painting business together.
• 26:59
  No. But that would be pretty cool. That would
• 27:01
  be fun. We could if you want. I already have
• 27:05
  it started. But Paul does have a painting business.
• 27:07
  I do. Because you said that like, yeah, we bring
• 27:11
  in all these young kids. Oh, you know, us. But
• 27:14
  yeah. So yeah, so St. Timothy, like pretty cool.
• 27:18
  Yeah, it's pretty neat. But also we were going
• 27:20
  to mention this is like, you know, if this is
• 27:22
  your first time, this whole thing kind of started
• 27:25
  kind of inspired off of Fox's Book of Martyrs.
• 27:28
  Well, Fox's Book of Martyrs kind of stops right
• 27:33
  before this episode. Yeah. Well, it's not that
• 27:37
  it stops, but the purpose we were using it for
• 27:39
  stops. Yeah. Yeah. So it keeps going like pretty
• 27:43
  extensively on the early church. And as John
• 27:48
  Fox was a historian. He kind of cataloged a lot
• 27:51
  of things. But what we wanted to do was episode
• 27:55
  to episode highlight a specific Christian who
• 28:00
  died for what they believed in. Jesus Christ
• 28:05
  died on the cross, born of a virgin, resurrected
• 28:09
  on the third day, the son of God. Yeah, so in
• 28:14
  that, it's kind of cool. what we're gonna try
• 28:17
  and do is gather more information in the way
• 28:21
  that, in the spirit of John Fox, and continue
• 28:26
  to do this in the same way that he did, but carry
• 28:32
  it on in that way. So all of the intros that
• 28:36
  you hear pretty much from here on out are gonna
• 28:38
  be our compiled intros in the same feel as John
• 28:44
  Fox. And some of the information we're getting
• 28:46
  from him or was informed by him. But we're going
• 28:50
  to put it in that concise way like he did. Because
• 28:55
  I think it's such a cool way to highlight somebody.
• 28:57
  Yeah. And especially just like, all right, let's
• 29:00
  have this brief moment where especially people
• 29:02
  that you never heard of. Right. Or aren't very
• 29:04
  commonly named. Yeah. It's like, oh, let's just
• 29:07
  place them in here and recognize what they did.
• 29:10
  Yeah. So eventually we might end up with a Martyrs
• 29:12
  Row book. I think it's in the works, honestly.
• 29:15
  Yeah. Cause we're gonna write week to week all
• 29:18
  these, every episode adding that in and maybe
• 29:21
  at some point we'll reorder them based on when
• 29:24
  they die. Cause I'd love to put like a chronology
• 29:26
  to it or something. Yeah, I think John Fox was
• 29:30
  doing it based off of when they were born. I
• 29:33
  think so. Or when they were martyred. That's
• 29:37
  what I wondered, but some of that seems like
• 29:39
  it kind of breaks up a little bit. It does. Yeah.
• 29:41
  So we might go in and decide when like... We
• 29:45
  might even change up some of his as far as the
• 29:49
  ordering goes. But yeah, I think this is episode
• 29:52
  19. By episode 100, we'll have 100 logs of martyrs.
• 30:00
  And it's crazy because martyrdom in the Christian
• 30:04
  faith starts essentially with Stephen. And then
• 30:08
  it goes all the way up until right now. Yeah,
• 30:12
  so you're talking about for the last 20 years
• 30:14
  still happening. Yeah, I mean earlier this year
• 30:17
  Yeah, you we still have reports of it of Christians
• 30:21
  being martyred in different places in around
• 30:25
  This God's green earth, right? Yeah, absolutely
• 30:29
  and it's it's a little terrifying and it's little
• 30:33
  unusual to us which is kind of the reason why
• 30:35
  we wanted to do this was kind of like remember
• 30:38
  those who actually gave up their life for what
• 30:40
  they believe yeah because we get to sit in a
• 30:44
  studio with no fear yeah and talk about Jesus
• 30:48
  yeah I think it's it's one of those where it's
• 30:51
  easy for us to become a little more flippant
• 30:53
  with our faith mm -hmm because we're not under
• 30:55
  pressure right yeah yeah so that's kind of why
• 30:59
  we're doing this to kind of bring that in, to
• 31:02
  kind of jump back and remember all those who
• 31:04
  came before us, the foundation, kind of like
• 31:08
  in the spirit of also like Hebrews, and the hall
• 31:12
  of heroes, and the heroes of the faith, and kind
• 31:16
  of echo that in the way that I think that the
• 31:19
  Catholic Church does well, but maybe takes it
• 31:23
  a little too far. So who was it? So Saint Timothy.
• 31:28
  I do know this. This is not in the intro reading.
• 31:31
  I decided not to put this part in. But St. Timothy
• 31:34
  is the patron saint of not, of like basically,
• 31:43
  oh what do you call, digestive diseases. Is that
• 31:50
  because of the wine thing? Yes. So it's because
• 31:53
  of when Paul tells Timothy, stop drinking only
• 31:57
  water. Like drink wine for your element. That's
• 32:00
  interesting. So they assume it's something to
• 32:02
  do with the The the gut Okay, so they assume
• 32:09
  that that's why he needs to drink wine instead
• 32:10
  of just water because of interesting But that
• 32:13
  may not be why because that might be an assumption
• 32:15
  kind of cruel to you like this guy had trouble
• 32:17
  digesting stuff He can help me. Yeah Yeah, so
• 32:22
  if you're if you're Catholic and you're having
• 32:25
  issues with your gut You can pray to Saint Timothy,
• 32:28
  apparently. Or just drink some wine. Yeah. According
• 32:31
  to Paul. Or pray to Jesus. Yeah, that would be
• 32:35
  better. And stop eating fourth meal. Stop eating
• 32:40
  Taco Bell. No more. Start running. Start drinking
• 32:44
  Baja Blast. Get more sleep so that you don't
• 32:47
  fall asleep immediately when your head hits the
• 32:49
  pillow. Yeah. That's why that's really a bad
• 32:51
  thing. That's really a bad thing. It's not great
• 32:53
  So if you're sleep deprived like it should take
• 32:56
  you from what I've heard it should take you like
• 33:00
  Somewhere between like five to fifteen minutes
• 33:03
  to fall asleep that sounds like it would take
• 33:05
  forever But then you kind of let your thoughts
• 33:08
  unwind because if you're closing If you're if
• 33:15
  you're if you're like me Like sometimes if I've
• 33:17
  had like a really busy day and I'm go, go, go,
• 33:20
  go, and then I hit the pillow and I fall asleep
• 33:22
  and then I wake up at 3 a .m., then I'm, sometimes
• 33:26
  I'm awake for another hour and a half at 3 a
• 33:28
  .m. and I don't go back to bed till 4 30. And
• 33:31
  a lot of that's because my brain didn't like
• 33:34
  get everything out. Yeah. Interesting. So that's
• 33:38
  just a personal experience. Yeah, that's fascinating.
• 33:41
  But yeah, you're not supposed to fall asleep
• 33:43
  immediately. I've been bragging about that for
• 33:46
  years. Yeah, just like eating. I ate every bite
• 33:50
  of my dinner. I'm a growing boy. You're not supposed
• 33:55
  to be able to do that now. Yeah, but. But you
• 33:57
  didn't see how small my plate was. I had four
• 34:02
  peas on there. Well, good job. Thanks. So to
• 34:06
  the patron. Well, good job. To the to the patron
• 34:10
  saint Timothy of finishing your plate of finishing
• 34:14
  your plate where they are stressing a minor Cheers
• 34:18
  cheers to you st. Timothy Welcome to martyrs
• 34:23
  row three two one Let's sing a song Paul. Let's
• 34:28
  sing a song sing a song mr. Piano men Do you
• 34:35
  know the song I'm singing? I just wanted to make
• 34:38
  it weird. You know for a song about a piano man,
• 34:42
  the guy with the harmonica won't shut up. Get
• 34:45
  him out of here. Come on, Mr. Harmonica Boy.
• 34:48
  I love how I said this is good and then I just
• 34:50
  moved it. That's why I was like, ugh. You good?
• 34:54
  Yeah. Okay. I'm good. I just moved it again.
• 34:57
  Hopefully you guys can hear me. They can. Oops.
• 34:59
  That's too tight. Sorry strong -armed it. All
• 35:05
  right. What are we singing tonight? Um, we're
• 35:07
  gonna find out from the playlist I've got yeah
• 35:09
  right from the place we should go back and like
• 35:11
  pull one in and make it better That could be
• 35:13
  fun on like episodes early ones. Yeah. Yeah the
• 35:17
  Golden age we say early ones because we've put
• 35:21
  a lot of hours into this Yeah, but they're just
• 35:24
  this is their first episode You guys are just
• 35:26
  here, so. This is your first time, welcome. This
• 35:29
  is the first one you're gonna hear in the, oops.
• 35:31
  Yeah. Hey, go back and listen. Some of them are
• 35:35
  just as bad. And some of them are, aren't bad.
• 35:38
  No, and this was probably gonna be good too.
• 35:40
  Oh, thanks. We'll find out. Let's do it. So I
• 35:43
  finished just have like a thing, and then we're
• 35:45
  just like, we'll just riff on it. Okay. That's
• 35:48
  kinda where I'm at. Are you leaving gaps? Well,
• 35:51
  you know, it's funny, there is a part where it
• 35:53
  changes into like a chorus section. Okay. Do
• 35:56
  you have a hook? Um, yeah. Okay. So just do it.
• 36:00
  I love how I'm saying that, but I did, if I can
• 36:03
  remember it. It was like earlier this morning,
• 36:06
  I came up with this. So we'll see how it goes.
• 36:09
  Yeah, so if you haven't seen the podcast before,
• 36:14
  or listened to the podcast before, this is kind
• 36:17
  of our songwriting, and we kind of do it around
• 36:21
  the concept of a theme song. So it kind of sits
• 36:25
  in the space of things that we talk about but
• 36:27
  also like the theme of the podcast itself But
• 36:30
  we're essentially just writing a new song every
• 36:32
  week and for the most part we've we have either
• 36:37
  in real time written the song or Have only actually
• 36:42
  thought about it the day of recording. Mm -hmm
• 36:45
  for the most part. So actually probably pretty
• 36:49
  consistently Yeah has been like the day of Usually
• 36:53
  the day of and that's kind of intentional Because
• 36:56
  it's fun for us to make the podcast and part
• 37:00
  of what's fun for us, too Is to like play around
• 37:02
  with writing music and I think it's it's more
• 37:06
  organic that way to you Yeah, it's like the ideas
• 37:08
  we do bring which kind of makes I think more
• 37:10
  interesting. I mean we could like spend hours
• 37:15
  Before together writing a song true, and then
• 37:18
  just have a fully polished song right here, but
• 37:21
  that's not really what we're Do we? I think it
• 37:23
  kind of ruins some of the magic of it. But also,
• 37:25
  who's writing a fully polished song every single
• 37:28
  week? Someone who's getting paid full time. Yeah.
• 37:32
  We don't have that kind of time. We're not there
• 37:34
  yet. And this is more fun. Yeah, it is more fun.
• 37:36
  So like, yeah, you're here. Let's do it. And
• 37:40
  that way, when we mess up, it's like, well, we
• 37:42
  just did this just now. Yeah, we're just having
• 37:44
  fun. We're just having fun. Let's do it. So here
• 37:46
  we go. Thank you, John. It's been fun. Now we're
• 38:05
  done with what you wrote. This is the part where
• 38:51
  you're making it up in real time. I like this
• 38:56
  concept Is there another section to that or that's
• 39:00
  what you have? That's what I have. Okay, so it's
• 39:01
  just like a B sections. Yeah, no C section I
• 39:08
  feel like that is what the that is what it would
• 39:11
  be But I don't know why I don't have zero memory
• 39:14
  of any songwriter saying C section Do they just
• 39:18
  call it a D section? Like is that, do they just
• 39:20
  skip it? Bridge section? There's like A, B section
• 39:23
  and then the bridge section. That's not fair.
• 39:25
  I think it's because we don't want to say C section.
• 39:27
  That's like saying 1, B, C. Yeah. It's like,
• 39:34
  well you're switching categories. It's like,
• 39:36
  no, it's C section. That'll be on a pocket T.
• 39:42
  Yeah. Alright, let's hit it. Okay, you ready?
• 39:44
  So you have kind of a first verse. Yeah, so it's
• 39:47
  kind of, I chose to make it like an ode to John.
• 39:51
  I like it. Yeah. That's what the C section needs
• 39:54
  to be. Yeah. Like, this is a tribute. I need
• 40:02
  to go back and listen to that one. In my memory,
• 40:06
  it's the best. It's so good. It lives well in
• 40:09
  my memory, too. So maybe we shouldn't go back
• 40:11
  and watch it. We'll have to at some point. Yeah,
• 40:13
  good point. We have to edit it. Yeah. But a little
• 40:16
  peep behind the curtain. So why don't you take
• 40:19
  the first section and the hook and stay all the
• 40:22
  way into your mic. I will. Yeah, I'll be right
• 40:24
  here. Yeah. I'll be right here the whole time.
• 40:26
  Paul has a soft, subtle voice. Yeah, I do so
• 40:32
  Do that and then leave the verse next verse section
• 40:36
  open and I'll try and jump in okay I don't actually
• 40:38
  remember what I said in the first one, but we're
• 40:40
  gonna see what happens. Oh, I kind of remember
• 40:42
  it sounded like you Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, thanks.
• 40:45
  Yeah, it only fell apart in the next one I had
• 40:50
  an idea that it vanished It felt like you were
• 40:53
  really riding on my reaction by the time we got
• 40:55
  there. That's probably true actually. I like
• 40:58
  it. Okay here you go John, it's been fun For
• 41:16
  a while But now we're done with Everything that
• 41:28
  you wrote I need another word no I like the aggression
• 41:41
  in it just keep me going everything stay with
• 41:44
  what you have okay take less breaks though okay
• 41:47
  I'll do that yeah I wanted to really make them
• 41:50
  wonder or keep the same breaks and I'll add in
• 41:54
  little pieces okay but let's take it I'll try
• 41:58
  to tighten it up let's see what happens yeah
• 41:59
  yeah I'll just cut this sooner. us how they died.
• 42:43
  Your surname Fox from the block didn't lie. They
• 43:22
  told us how they died And this is a tribute to
• 43:38
  our guide John Yeah, this is a tribute to John
• 44:17
  They told us how They died Yeah. In some ways.
• 44:47
  I was like, I just need a word to throw in here.
• 44:49
  The first one that came to my head, it worked.
• 44:51
  It felt good. It was funny. And from what you
• 44:53
  had, it kind of slowly developed and got tighter.
• 44:56
  Yeah. And then I don't know what I did. Like
• 44:59
  where you were pitch -wise, too, I was like,
• 45:01
  this is a little in a weird spot for me. It sits
• 45:05
  in a weird spot. Yeah. But yeah. I think part
• 45:09
  of the, because my vocals tend to be a lot softer.
• 45:13
  don't like hit stuff really hard usually oh yeah
• 45:15
  and I think it kind of helps me be a little breathier
• 45:18
  yeah so there's like those weird spots are easier
• 45:20
  for me that makes sense yeah I'm just trying
• 45:22
  to scream everything yeah which honestly I've
• 45:26
  I've done that before and I it's fun to do but
• 45:29
  it's not my natural go -to that makes sense yeah
• 45:32
  I need to do the opposite yeah we'll have to
• 45:36
  swap one week yeah Oh, we kind of have. Actually,
• 45:39
  we kind of did. Yeah, there's one that you went
• 45:41
  for it. Yeah. Yeah. But I generally I go for
• 45:44
  it. You do. And I'm so impressed. I just like
• 45:48
  I just can't do that. I got to like psych myself
• 45:51
  up. I get that. That makes sense. But yeah, so
• 45:56
  we just kind of came off of myths. We did. It's
• 46:00
  actually kind of it's kind of nice being on this
• 46:02
  side of it, but I do miss it a little bit. You
• 46:05
  know what I mean? Do you myth it? I myth it.
• 46:10
  You just set that up. But the cool thing about
• 46:15
  that is that like you can go back and listen
• 46:16
  to basically, I guess, four part myth series.
• 46:21
  Is it five, I think? No, I think it was four.
• 46:24
  Because we had like two build ups before we got
• 46:25
  into the myth. Everything is a build up with
• 46:27
  us, Paul. So true. Start episode one that builds
• 46:30
  our myth series. Yeah. And honestly. If you don't.
• 46:33
  What we're going to be talking about today kind
• 46:34
  of builds off of what we set up with myths. What
• 46:40
  we set up with. What we set up with the myths.
• 46:47
  Is that a daffy duck or is that like Bugs Bunny?
• 46:51
  Daffy duck. Oh that's more daffy duck you're
• 46:55
  right. Those are just quirks. Duck tales. I don't
• 47:01
  know why that line makes me laugh. I don't know
• 47:03
  what it's I mean I'm assuming that's what it's
• 47:05
  from. It's definitely Duck Yeah, I think he was
• 47:07
  like in an elevator with Bugs Bunny. Makes sense.
• 47:10
  And he's just like so what like what are what
• 47:11
  are the things that are like my flaws? Yeah,
• 47:15
  and he starts listing all these things like how
• 47:17
  terrible of a person he is. And he's just like
• 47:20
  those are just quirks. What are you talking about?
• 47:24
  That's awesome. That is pretty funny though.
• 47:26
  Yeah, it's pretty good. But We kind of teased
• 47:29
  on the last episode that this episode we are
• 47:32
  potentially gonna talk about. Oh, yeah trees
• 47:35
  are We're gonna talk about these guys so maybe
• 47:41
  we should what knock on trees trees knock on
• 47:49
  Trees ASMR Yeah, so I guess we should talk about
• 47:56
  trees Yeah. Kind of makes sense. That's why you're
• 48:02
  here, right? That's why we're here. You watched
• 48:04
  the last episode and you thought, I want to hear
• 48:06
  him talk about trees. They're like, ooh, trees
• 48:07
  sound nice. Yeah. And then 45 minutes into this
• 48:10
  episode, you're like, I'm not sure if I want
• 48:11
  to hear trees anymore. I didn't think someone
• 48:14
  could talk about trees for this long. Yikes.
• 48:18
  We haven't even talked about them yet. No, we
• 48:20
  haven't. But we're about to. But we're not just
• 48:23
  going to talk about trees, right? Trees. Do you
• 48:28
  have a direction for us, Paul? I do have a question
• 48:31
  for you. Does it have to do with trees? It does.
• 48:36
  Okay, good. See? Are you excited? Aren't you
• 48:40
  happy? No, we're doing the thing. We're doing
• 48:43
  the thing we said we would do that you're here
• 48:45
  for to listen to. I do have a question. Um, that
• 48:54
  pertains to trees. Paul, I would love to hear
• 49:00
  your tree question. Would you like to hear...
• 49:03
  I would love to hear your tree question. My question
• 49:06
  about trees. Yes, I would. Well... Yes, yes,
• 49:11
  I would. Are trees... This is my question to
• 49:16
  you, Stephen. Let me drag it out a little bit
• 49:20
  longer. Watch the suspense build. Let me stop
• 49:23
  after every word. It's not suspenseful, it's
• 49:26
  just mad. It's all a build up. Laugh, laughter,
• 49:33
  laughter, laughter, laughter, sudden pause. Are
• 49:35
  trees portals? Say it again, my brain's not processing.
• 49:46
  So let me also say this before we jump into it.
• 49:49
  You already asked the question. I know. But before
• 49:51
  we ask it again, this time with more bravado.
• 49:54
  Gusto? Gusto. Bravado? Bravado. Some bravado.
• 50:01
  Even the topic of trees, as it relates to the
• 50:04
  Bible, might be surprising to people. It's a
• 50:06
  little sticky. They're just like, hmm, is it
• 50:09
  that big of a deal? But it's like, there's actually
• 50:11
  trees littered throughout scripture. Yeah, they're
• 50:13
  just thrown all over the place. Yeah, but also
• 50:17
  like they come in in weird places too. And so
• 50:20
  it's like, okay, so if it's weird all over and
• 50:23
  it's in the Bible and they're weird, they're
• 50:25
  weird and they're in the Bible. So we should
• 50:27
  probably take a look at it. Yeah. And so the
• 50:29
  question I have for you, which I'm going to ask
• 50:32
  very deliberately. Okay. With enunciation. Are
• 50:41
  Steven? How all? Are trees portals? What is maybe?
• 50:57
  Is that your final answer? Well, let's talk about
• 51:01
  it. OK. What do you got? Are trees portals? Yeah.
• 51:05
  It's an interesting question. Honestly, it's
• 51:08
  an interesting question that I don't know that
• 51:11
  before maybe 2020. would have thought Was a question
• 51:18
  that made any sense at all This will be your
• 51:20
  question and to be completely honest We've discussed
• 51:24
  this a little bit. Yeah, but not until right
• 51:27
  now when you ask me the question Did I realize
• 51:30
  that there's a huge pop culture reference? Oh
• 51:33
  that Gets us into this in a slightly different
• 51:37
  way, but also not entirely different Let's go
• 51:41
  already because I think before 2020 I'm not sure
• 51:45
  that I would have thought our trees portals Like
• 51:49
  is that an option? But the truth is is there
• 51:52
  actually a ton of pop culture references for
• 51:54
  it Like one of the ones we've been talking about
• 51:57
  movies a lot in the last couple episodes Yeah,
• 51:59
  we have um, which myths kind of gets you into
• 52:01
  that a little bit but like it makes me think
• 52:04
  of like uh like In in hook Tinker Pell lives
• 52:10
  in a tree. Tinker Pell. I don't know why I said
• 52:14
  it like that. You were trying to say peer pan.
• 52:18
  I was. That's the source of every word I mispronounced.
• 52:22
  Tinker Pell. Tinker Pell. She does live in a
• 52:26
  tree. She lives in a tree. And she's a fairy.
• 52:29
  She is a fairy. Which we haven't talked about
• 52:30
  at all. But the reason I keep saying 2020 is
• 52:34
  because of a pop culture smash hit. Stranger
• 52:40
  things. Yeah. Trees are a big part of that. Yeah.
• 52:47
  And I'm just realizing that now. Because the
• 52:51
  way they enter into the upside down is through
• 52:53
  a tree. That's right. Yeah. At least, is that
• 52:58
  every way? That's one of the ways they do it.
• 53:00
  There's a couple portals they go through. Yeah.
• 53:02
  To be completely honest with you, I'm getting
• 53:04
  a little weird. weird vibes right now really
• 53:08
  just saying stranger things now i am actually
• 53:13
  i'm sorry as soon as you raised your hand i was
• 53:15
  like i i kind of feel a little uneasy now too
• 53:19
  and i'm not making that up no i know that's not
• 53:22
  either uh yeah sorry whoa no that's actually
• 53:26
  really interesting yeah no i mean there's a lot
• 53:29
  of like there's a lot of different things around
• 53:31
  it and actually like to be completely honest
• 53:33
  i'm like I like thriller, I like suspenseful
• 53:37
  things. As soon as it turns spiritual, which
• 53:43
  you could be like, well, that's all spiritual.
• 53:45
  It's like, kind of. There's a different level
• 53:48
  to it. Yeah, as soon as it goes, nope, this was
• 53:51
  all what was happening on the back end of the
• 53:53
  spiritual world, then I go, okay, I'm out. Yeah,
• 53:57
  that's not for us. No, unless it turns and it's
• 54:00
  a bunch of angels hanging out. Which, that's
• 54:03
  never what happens. No, but I feel like even
• 54:05
  then, that's still something we should be wary
• 54:07
  of. Yeah, good point. Masquerading angels. Yeah,
• 54:10
  well, even an idea of like, well, is it our business
• 54:14
  to participate in the heavenly realm in that
• 54:16
  way, on our terms? And the answer to that is
• 54:19
  always no. Whether it's like, it might actually
• 54:23
  be angels, or it might not, which it usually
• 54:25
  isn't. It's like, that's not for us to enter
• 54:29
  into on our terms. No, exactly. And that's what
• 54:32
  happens in Stranger Things is they kind of get
• 54:36
  called into... like going into a tree. Yeah,
• 54:43
  it's vividly playing in my head. I know. Yeah.
• 54:47
  Which is making it more creepy. I know, sorry.
• 54:50
  It's like I'm watching it through my eyes right
• 54:53
  now. I know. Yeah. Well, and that's the hard
• 54:55
  thing about what we watch, like movies and TV
• 54:59
  shows and stuff like that, is that stuff sticks
• 55:01
  with you. Yeah. And it's because it has a high
• 55:05
  impact. really what is more true is that it's
• 55:10
  typically rooted in truth. Like there's a part
• 55:13
  of it that is real, and because of that it's
• 55:16
  like this feels weighty. Not because someone
• 55:21
  came up with this and then that's kind of scary,
• 55:23
  but it's kind of scary because it could be true.
• 55:26
  I mean that's the same thing when we're reading
• 55:27
  through the myths too. Like there's plenty of
• 55:29
  those where it's like they give me goosebumps
• 55:31
  when I read them. It's like whoa, like that's...
• 55:34
  Particularly wooden people with no souls. That
• 55:36
  one sticks out. Yeah, Pinocchio. Pinocchio is
• 55:46
  a tree. He is literally a tree. With no soul.
• 55:52
  Actually, in the original book, the original
• 55:56
  Pinocchio story, he was actually taken from a
• 55:58
  magical tree. And so he was actually already
• 56:01
  talking before he was shaped into The puppet.
• 56:05
  Oh and didn't he have like a leaf on his nose?
• 56:08
  I think so. I feel like I'm remembering that.
• 56:10
  Yeah, but yeah, so trees as portals Yeah, feels
• 56:15
  like we kind of answered it didn't I mean, there's
• 56:19
  a pop culture answer to that Yeah, and we just
• 56:21
  came out of myths that were like heavy into like
• 56:24
  what did old other cultures? What were the? things
• 56:27
  that were true to them, what were their memories
• 56:29
  that they passed on from generation to generation
• 56:32
  on how they came to be, how they came to know
• 56:35
  the things that they know, how they came into
• 56:37
  existence, all of that stuff. And so jumping
• 56:42
  off of that, I think in this episode, we kind
• 56:44
  of wanted to dig back into, well, let's come
• 56:48
  at it the way we pretty much come at everything,
• 56:51
  is starting in a biblical worldview. jumping
• 56:56
  into what's the biblical story and then look
• 56:58
  at all of the other things. Yeah, and then let's
• 57:00
  look at everything else. Yeah, because it was
• 57:02
  fun for a little bit in the myth space to look
• 57:04
  at everything else first and then bring in the
• 57:07
  biblical side of it. Yeah. Versus really where
• 57:09
  we anchor most of time is starting from the biblical
• 57:11
  side and bringing in the other stuff Yeah, right
• 57:14
  and then coming back to the biblical and being
• 57:16
  like alright So because culture kind of shapes
• 57:18
  and informs it's true in some ways it shapes
• 57:21
  and informs the metaphor we Metaphors we use
• 57:24
  to describe the kingdom of God or to describe.
• 57:27
  Yeah, right. Yeah, cuz like even even even Jesus
• 57:31
  using parables. He's using examples of of worldly
• 57:35
  situations Yeah, absolutely like that's what
• 57:38
  the parables are is he's taking real life real
• 57:41
  world situations And scenarios and describing
• 57:45
  it like that that the kingdom of god is like
• 57:47
  this Yeah, something you've experienced. Well,
• 57:49
  I think we see that even in old testament a lot
• 57:52
  of the stories that we see there are Using pop
• 57:56
  culture references or visions like not visions
• 57:59
  visuals to help it make sense to what it's trying
• 58:03
  to say, because that's what people understand.
• 58:05
  Yeah. It's in the same way it's like when we
• 58:06
  think of, like, what you're going to be talking
• 58:08
  about, one of the most popular trees in the Bible.
• 58:11
  What's the most? The most poplar? It's poplar.
• 58:17
  The most poplar tree. Poplar's a pretty popular
• 58:20
  tree, though. It is a pretty popular tree. I'm
• 58:24
  a big fan of wood. Me too. Yeah, like woodworking
• 58:31
  is one of my hobbies that I enjoy and I know
• 58:33
  you've done it in a professional level for you
• 58:36
  did for a while Yeah, and like poplar if you
• 58:38
  get like certain cuts of poplar there goes all
• 58:41
  your tree My tree Some some cuts of poplar have
• 58:47
  like really deep shades of green and purple in
• 58:52
  them, and it's just the coolest thing. Even though
• 58:56
  it's a really soft wood, and it's kind of a cheaper,
• 58:59
  I guess it's more abundant, but anyways, poplar.
• 59:02
  What is the most popular tree in the Bible? That
• 59:05
  would be, ding ding ding ding ding! The tree
• 59:08
  of knowledge of good and evil. Are you sure?
• 59:10
  Yes. Is it not the fig tree? Oh, that is another
• 59:13
  big one. It's pretty small, though. Yeah. Well,
• 59:16
  it's a poplar. But the reason I bring that one
• 59:24
  up is because of how pop culture shapes our perspective.
• 59:29
  Yeah. Where it's like, oh, where it's like, we
• 59:31
  look at it and we're like, oh, well, that's an
• 59:33
  apple on the tree. It's like, oh, where'd you
• 59:35
  get that idea from? It's like, oh, that's from
• 59:37
  Paradise Lost. Well, kind of. Kind of. He got
• 59:42
  it from somewhere, too. Wait, so where is Parados?
• 59:46
  Parados. Parados. Parados. When was Paradise
• 59:50
  Lost written? Oh, that's a good question actually.
• 59:53
  I don't know the answer to that. Okay, I'll look
• 59:54
  that up. You keep going with your thought. Yeah.
• 59:58
  You keep going with that. You keep going with
• 1:00:00
  that. Thought I'm about to destroy. I'm gonna
• 1:00:02
  prove you wrong. But I mean, that's a popular
• 1:00:05
  theme. A popular theme. In Paradise Lost. Oh,
• 1:00:08
  we gotta stop saying that. Yeah, we do. Is the
• 1:00:12
  apple. Say again? The Apple. Yes. And it's one
• 1:00:17
  of those where it's like, yeah, that's not in
• 1:00:19
  the Bible, but it helps us view the story. First
• 1:00:22
  published in 1667. That was a long time ago.
• 1:00:26
  It was. Before I was born. Way before. After
• 1:00:30
  John Fox, though. It was, yeah. Yeah. A little
• 1:00:33
  side note. About 100 years. So what do you got
• 1:00:35
  about the Apple? So, in the old Latin translation,
• 1:00:40
  the Vulgate. Yes. which was Jerome, who actually
• 1:00:46
  wrote it into Latin in Bethlehem. Yeah, that's
• 1:00:50
  right. Translated it. I've been in the room that
• 1:00:53
  he translated it. That's so cool. It's crazy.
• 1:00:56
  He wasn't there? I really want to sing Hamilton
• 1:00:58
  right now. I was in the room where it happened.
• 1:01:02
  If you remember Hamilton. I've never seen Hamilton,
• 1:01:05
  actually. Yeah, it was good. Uh, in the old Latin
• 1:01:11
  translation, the Hebrew word, da -at, da -hat,
• 1:01:17
  da -hat. You're looking at me like, what are
• 1:01:20
  you trying to say right now? Da -hat? It was
• 1:01:24
  translated as cintia, which looks a lot like
• 1:01:29
  science. And this is the origin of the English
• 1:01:34
  word, science. But like sentia is like S -C -I
• 1:01:38
  -E -N -T -A. However, the original Latin meaning,
• 1:01:43
  not meeting, the original Latin meaning of this
• 1:01:48
  word is actually knowledge and not science as
• 1:01:52
  we know it today. So even though the Latin translation
• 1:01:55
  puts it as sentia, which is where our word for
• 1:02:01
  science comes from, the original Hebrew is actually
• 1:02:04
  closer or the original Latin meaning of this
• 1:02:07
  word is actually knowledge and not science. So
• 1:02:10
  even though our word for science comes from sentia,
• 1:02:13
  sentia actually means knowledge. That's interesting
• 1:02:16
  in and of itself. Interestingly, in Hebrew, both
• 1:02:22
  the word for knowledge and science share the
• 1:02:25
  same root word, yda. And so does the Hebrew word
• 1:02:30
  for information. The Latin word, sentia, its
• 1:02:39
  appearance in the well -known Latin phrase, sentia
• 1:02:42
  potentia est, which means in English, knowledge
• 1:02:46
  is power, which comes from Proverbs. Oh yeah,
• 1:02:49
  yeah. So the original Hebrew for a man of knowledge
• 1:02:52
  is ish. It's exactly the same Hebrew word as
• 1:02:56
  the... the quality we are discussing right now.
• 1:03:00
  So I'm just reading this little bit. Undoubtedly,
• 1:03:02
  the most popular appearance of this word in the
• 1:03:05
  Hebrew language is found in the story of the
• 1:03:07
  tree of knowledge of good and evil. Or in Hebrew,
• 1:03:11
  I'm not going to try and read that. I almost
• 1:03:17
  attempted it, but I'm not going to. When mentioning
• 1:03:20
  the quality of knowledge, we are not talking
• 1:03:22
  here about simply knowing things, but rather
• 1:03:25
  the ability to know the difference between good
• 1:03:28
  and evil. In popular culture, the fruit of the
• 1:03:34
  tree of knowledge of good and evil was an apple.
• 1:03:38
  Here's what I'm getting at Paul. However, nowhere
• 1:03:42
  in the Hebrew Bible will we find any reference
• 1:03:44
  to the specific kind of fruit from this tree.
• 1:03:49
  So, in the Hebrew scriptures, there's no reference
• 1:03:52
  of a specific kind of fruit from the tree of
• 1:03:56
  the knowledge of good and evil. The reason why
• 1:03:59
  the apple was chosen, in quotes, is a pure coincidence,
• 1:04:04
  which is based on the Latin translation of the
• 1:04:06
  tree name. which is in Latin, and I'm not gonna
• 1:04:10
  read that, where the Latin word for evil, malum,
• 1:04:15
  appears as mali in the Vulgate, and it sounds
• 1:04:18
  almost the same as the Latin word for apple,
• 1:04:22
  malum, in Latin. Interesting. So the word in
• 1:04:26
  Latin for fruit, sorry, the word for evil, in
• 1:04:33
  Latin sounds the same as the word for apple.
• 1:04:35
  That's interesting. Yeah. So in the Vulgate,
• 1:04:39
  the association is that the word for evil in
• 1:04:42
  the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the
• 1:04:45
  word evil sounds in Latin a lot like the word
• 1:04:48
  apple. That's interesting. So it's not the word
• 1:04:51
  fruit. Yeah. Instead, it's the word evil that
• 1:04:54
  sounds a lot like the word apple. And so those
• 1:04:57
  two things coincide. Yeah. Yeah. Because it would
• 1:04:59
  be different if it was the word fruit. Yeah,
• 1:05:02
  it would be. That sounded or represented or was
• 1:05:05
  adjacent to apple, but instead it's the word
• 1:05:08
  evil. Yeah, that's really interesting. So it's
• 1:05:11
  like evil became personified in, or not personified,
• 1:05:15
  but I guess identified as an apple. So don't
• 1:05:20
  eat apples. No. Well, that's always the Disney
• 1:05:25
  trope. Yeah. Right? Yeah, this evil apple. Yeah,
• 1:05:28
  like take a bite of the apple. Yeah, yeah. So
• 1:05:31
  that's kind of interesting. Yeah, I feel like
• 1:05:33
  a lot of it has to do with its color too. Although
• 1:05:35
  evil is personified and presents the fruit. Well,
• 1:05:40
  you think about even, this is more of like a
• 1:05:42
  psychological effect of it. You think of like
• 1:05:45
  the ruby red apple. And it's like the color red,
• 1:05:48
  which can have that very like intense blood,
• 1:05:53
  like blood lust type. You know what I mean? It's
• 1:05:57
  got that very aggressive tone to it, and very
• 1:06:00
  tempting. It's funny that you say ruby red. I
• 1:06:03
  think candy red. Oh yeah. Candy apple red. Well,
• 1:06:06
  you're more of a candy guy. That's true. Fair
• 1:06:09
  enough. Fair enough. Like a candied apple. You
• 1:06:13
  know what I mean? You're like, just cover it
• 1:06:14
  in caramel. No, no, like a candied apple. It's
• 1:06:18
  like red. It's like a cherry candied apple. Those
• 1:06:21
  are very red. Yeah, they're very red. bright
• 1:06:26
  and. Yeah, like unnaturally. Yeah. Like red 40.
• 1:06:31
  Just like all of it. Yeah. All the stuff you
• 1:06:34
  can't eat. All the red 40. Everywhere else in
• 1:06:36
  the world except for the US. The only place you
• 1:06:40
  can get a real candied apple. Yeah, in the land
• 1:06:43
  of freedom. Land of freedom. Land of candied
• 1:06:45
  apples. Land of red 40 and candied apples. Canadian
• 1:06:49
  apples. Canadian apples. Yeah. So that's interesting,
• 1:06:54
  right? That's very interesting. So back from
• 1:06:57
  the Latin, Old Jerome. Yeah. Which honestly,
• 1:07:00
  it makes sense then, I guess, for others to be
• 1:07:02
  drawing from stuff like that. It does. We get
• 1:07:04
  that imagery to pull out of there. But yeah,
• 1:07:07
  even then, it's funny because that has shaped
• 1:07:10
  our perspective of how artists depict the Garden
• 1:07:13
  of Eden in that moment, the fall, versus what
• 1:07:17
  the Bible actually says about it. Right. And
• 1:07:19
  it's funny because I think stuff like that, which
• 1:07:22
  can... be beneficial, if we remember why. But
• 1:07:27
  it's also, some of those things can take away
• 1:07:29
  from what it actually is saying. Because I think,
• 1:07:33
  oh sorry, go for it. No, it's just the idea that
• 1:07:34
  over time, if somebody uses an example, that
• 1:07:38
  if you get too far away from what the example
• 1:07:42
  was representing, then all you have left is the
• 1:07:45
  example. It's like that old trope of like...
• 1:07:49
  the lady who always cut the end off of the ham
• 1:07:52
  and put it in the thing. And her daughter's like,
• 1:07:57
  why do you cut the end off? She's like, that's
• 1:08:00
  how my grandmother did it. And they come to find
• 1:08:02
  out grandma did it because that was the only
• 1:08:05
  size pan they had. So it was like, it had nothing
• 1:08:09
  to do with the recipe. It just literally didn't
• 1:08:11
  fit in the pan that they had. So she just cut
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  the end of it off. And it's like, well. You don't
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  have to do that anymore. Yeah, you can change
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  this. Yeah. So it's like why like knowing why
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  you're doing something or knowing the origin
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  of something kind of helps defeat the the pop
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  culture or the the world worldly example. Yeah.
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  It helps take that definition away and bring
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  us back to the original meaning. Yeah. And I
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  think that's the thing that can happen is we
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  can focus too much on the fruit. Yeah. And we
• 1:08:43
  miss Where's the fruit coming from? Yeah, and
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  I think that's in my opinion Yeah, is that's
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  kind of the crux of what's important in this
• 1:08:52
  story sure It's not the only thing but I think
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  that's like it wasn't the fruit But it was what
• 1:08:57
  was the fruit growing on right and like that's
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  the important thing that's kind of centered around
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  here Yeah, I think we see that in a lot of ancient
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  Near East here. We go right back to that Well,
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  wait, where do we see the tree of the knowledge
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  of good and evil? Yes, we see that in the midst
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  of the garden Right in the midst of the garden.
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  So let's read that. Yeah, actually that's a great
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  idea before we jump into these other people Let's
• 1:09:21
  actually read some Bible. So in Genesis 3 you
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  have this this image of the the serpent like
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  after the creation Yeah Adam and Eve are in the
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  garden and the serpent was more crafty than any
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  other beasts of the field Right and it goes on
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  to say that the serpent said to the woman, did
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  God actually say, you shall not eat of any tree
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  in the garden? And the woman said to the serpent,
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  we may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden.
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  But God said, you shall not eat of the fruit
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  of the tree that is in the midst of the garden.
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  Neither shall you touch it lest you die. But
• 1:09:56
  the serpent said to the woman, you will not surely
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  die. For God knows that when you eat of it, your
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  eyes will be opened and you will be like God
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  knowing good and apple. Nice or evil So when
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  the woman saw that the tree was good for food
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  and that it was a delight to the eyes Like a
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  candied apple that the tree was to be desired
• 1:10:20
  to make one wise She took of its fruit and ate
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  and she also gave some to her husband who was
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  with her and he ate Then the eyes of both were
• 1:10:30
  opened and they knew that they were naked and
• 1:10:33
  they sowed fig leaves see Paul fig trees They
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  come back. They come back. So the garden is made
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  in the midst of Eden. Yes. This is what we see
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  in Genesis 2, which is interesting. So this garden
• 1:10:55
  is made and typically in the ancient world, a
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  garden was made in the courts of the palace.
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  or in the kingdom there would be a garden of
• 1:11:10
  leisure. A place to walk and talk and learn and
• 1:11:15
  have conversation. Which is really cool. Which
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  is what we see happening in there as well. And
• 1:11:20
  it's also interesting to point out that Eden
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  was on a mountain as well. Yeah, the mountain
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  of God. Yeah, and we see that in Ezekiel 28.
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  And we see a lot of significant places throughout
• 1:11:34
  scripture that are in these kind of areas. It's
• 1:11:39
  like, oh, they're up on hills, they're up on
• 1:11:41
  mountains. And it's a place where people converse.
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  It's where oftentimes it's where God interacts
• 1:11:50
  with his people. Yeah, or even in the ancient
• 1:11:53
  cultures, it's where they would get together
• 1:11:56
  and discuss philosophy, or they would discuss
• 1:11:59
  the day. It was a place of leisure. Not necessarily
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  where you would go create a battle plan right
• 1:12:07
  you know yeah it's more so the garden was a place
• 1:12:10
  where you walked and you talked and you you kind
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  of uh thought and and um uh discussed things
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  right so that's kind of an interesting idea is
• 1:12:20
  like in some ways you're um in the garden um
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  especially in ancient culture that was kind of
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  the place where um you would exchange knowledge
• 1:12:33
  where you would exchange thoughts, where you
• 1:12:37
  would express your day. It's kind of the cafe
• 1:12:41
  of today. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so that's an
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  interesting way to think about it as well. And
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  I even think about, for some reason, the Vanderbelts
• 1:12:56
  keep popping up. This is like a modern reference.
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  And there's reasons for that, but yeah, like
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  the Biltmore estate. Like you look at old estates
• 1:13:07
  that are 150 years old, different things like
• 1:13:09
  that. And there's gardens surrounding the whole
• 1:13:12
  province. Oh, gorgeous. Just tons. Yeah. And
• 1:13:14
  there's nothing to do in those gardens except
• 1:13:16
  walk. Yeah. And there's benches to stop. And
• 1:13:20
  then there's water. And it's like, it's a lavishness.
• 1:13:24
  It's a place of ease, which is what Eden was.
• 1:13:29
  It was a place of abundance, it was a place of,
• 1:13:34
  like that's kind of arguably what Eden means,
• 1:13:38
  is that place of like leisure, it's that place
• 1:13:43
  of ease and peace, it's like, yeah. Yeah. No,
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  I think that it makes a lot of sense, and keep
• 1:13:51
  dropping my notes. Keep dropping them. Sorry,
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  I don't even need them right now. But it's interesting,
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  because like you said, that's a very common theme
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  that we see even with like groves, like sacred
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  groves. And it's like, yeah, surrounded by trees,
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  these places that are quiet in the forest, or
• 1:14:09
  off, away from everything else. They're isolated.
• 1:14:13
  That's a very common thing. Even when we think
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  of like the Hanging Gardens in Babylon. Those
• 1:14:18
  are known for being these extravagant, just gorgeous
• 1:14:22
  place for you to be. And there's a lot of lore
• 1:14:25
  around that too, like we talked about. There
• 1:14:27
  is. Like a person, like a Tumnus. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Like Pan is like the god of the woods. Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  and so it's like you you kind of have like all
• 1:14:37
  these things or these fairies popping out in
• 1:14:39
  the gardens and like like the yeah the secret
• 1:14:42
  garden where there's like passageways and you
• 1:14:45
  have all these things about gardens that that's
• 1:14:47
  really interesting and and i and i think that
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  like because genesis moves so quickly it's like
• 1:14:52
  you're kind of in the garden for a second and
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  then quickly it becomes like, now we have to
• 1:14:58
  get out of the garden. It's like, what? I wanna
• 1:15:00
  stay. Yeah, I wanna stay there. But it gives
• 1:15:02
  us enough to let us know, hey, this place was
• 1:15:04
  great. Yeah, and I think we forget that. I think
• 1:15:07
  we forget to go, it's a place of tranquility.
• 1:15:10
  It's a place of walking with God. It's a place
• 1:15:14
  of leisure. It's almost like the image we get
• 1:15:17
  is God's doing work, and then in the cool of
• 1:15:20
  the day, he comes down and walks with Adam. It
• 1:15:23
  kind of unfolds his day, you know what I mean?
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  Yeah, absolutely. And so there's a beauty to
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  that, that we need to remember about the garden.
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  Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. And I think it's
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  also kind of painting because there's not a lot
• 1:15:37
  in there that it gives us. It gives us enough
• 1:15:40
  for what we need. Right. But there are some of
• 1:15:44
  the things that can cause us to be like, OK,
• 1:15:46
  well, what did that look like? Sure. You know,
• 1:15:49
  I think, like, that's for me, that's something
• 1:15:51
  that I question sometimes. It's like, okay, so
• 1:15:53
  what did this place actually look like? What
• 1:15:56
  occupied it? And especially when we come to this
• 1:16:00
  scene with the tree. Well, I think it's interesting,
• 1:16:04
  first of all, at the beginning of chapter three,
• 1:16:07
  it gives us this description of the serpent,
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  saying, you know, he's the most crafty of any
• 1:16:11
  beast in the field. And then immediately, and
• 1:16:14
  then he asked Eve. And it's like, okay, so...
• 1:16:17
  Obviously to understand what happens we don't
• 1:16:20
  need to know what happened before that right,
• 1:16:22
  but it doesn't make me wonder And so like I'll
• 1:16:24
  I'll be forthright in saying that this is definitely
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  probably a little more speculation Because because
• 1:16:32
  it doesn't actually say right and let me but
• 1:16:34
  there are things that we can pull that can lead
• 1:16:37
  Lead me to a conclusion sure It's not gospel.
• 1:16:42
  It's not like this is the whole cold hard facts.
• 1:16:44
  But it's like, this seems likely. But even sitting
• 1:16:47
  in it for a minute, like what we're talking about,
• 1:16:48
  I think it's important to go like, all right,
• 1:16:50
  well, we just read the framework of it. Let me
• 1:16:53
  jump back to Genesis two really quick also because
• 1:16:56
  it does give us a little bit more about the tree
• 1:16:58
  itself when it says in verse eight, and the Lord
• 1:17:01
  God planted a garden in Eden in the East. So
• 1:17:06
  an Eastern region called Eden. He planted a garden
• 1:17:09
  and it was in the east. And there he put the
• 1:17:12
  man whom he had formed. So he placed his man
• 1:17:15
  in the garden in Eden, that's in the east. And
• 1:17:19
  out of the ground the Lord God made to spring
• 1:17:22
  up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and
• 1:17:27
  good for food. So telling us every tree that
• 1:17:32
  springs up, that God made to spring up is pleasant
• 1:17:34
  to the sight. and good for food, which is what
• 1:17:38
  Eve says. She, it says that, well she doesn't
• 1:17:41
  say it, it says that she sees that it is pleasant
• 1:17:46
  to look at and that it's good for, the fruit
• 1:17:49
  is good. The tree of life was in the midst of
• 1:17:53
  the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good
• 1:17:57
  and evil. And then it goes on to talk about the
• 1:18:02
  rivers. But it's interesting to just stop and
• 1:18:04
  go like, yeah, we are gonna - Let's pause there.
• 1:18:06
  We are gonna speculate a little bit about what
• 1:18:08
  this could be. Yeah. And talk a little bit, which
• 1:18:11
  we have before about where there are other, one
• 1:18:14
  that talks about beasts of the field. Yeah. We
• 1:18:16
  often think of that as lions and tigers and bears.
• 1:18:20
  And it's like, that's not exactly what it's saying
• 1:18:22
  in Hebrew. Right. And so, like, when we look
• 1:18:26
  back into that, we go like, all right, well,
• 1:18:28
  it's cool to even note, like, how many times
• 1:18:31
  do you remember that passage, Genesis 2, 8, where
• 1:18:34
  it's like, and it actually says, and then God
• 1:18:37
  made the trees to spring up and all of them were
• 1:18:41
  pleasant to see and they were, they produced
• 1:18:44
  good fruit. Yeah. And you go, all right, they
• 1:18:47
  all were. And in the midst of those were also
• 1:18:49
  the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge
• 1:18:51
  of good and evil. Yeah. Right? So it says that
• 1:18:55
  before it ever getting to chapter three, it kind
• 1:18:58
  of sets it up. There's this place. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:19:01
  Yeah. And I think it's interesting even with
• 1:19:04
  that, and this is where I'm about to head, is
• 1:19:07
  like this motif of a tree. Right. And it's like,
• 1:19:10
  okay, so there's a couple things we can ask ourselves
• 1:19:13
  here. Is it a tree? And I think there's actually
• 1:19:17
  not one answer to that. personally. It's like
• 1:19:21
  it could be and it could also be something else.
• 1:19:24
  So then let me ask you a question within a question
• 1:19:27
  because I think it sounds like this is where
• 1:19:30
  you are wanting to go. The question that I had
• 1:19:33
  as I was thinking about this was, it seems like
• 1:19:36
  God is making everything for a purpose. that
• 1:19:39
  he's ordering chaos by naming things and giving
• 1:19:43
  them a purpose. So he's taking all of this stuff
• 1:19:46
  that had no purpose and giving it a purpose,
• 1:19:49
  creating in that way. So it seems like everything
• 1:19:53
  that's created is for a reason, and it's supposed
• 1:19:58
  to be there. It seems like the garden has a bunch
• 1:20:03
  of trees that are pleasant to the sight. and
• 1:20:07
  are good for fruit and that they're supposed
• 1:20:10
  to be there. So my question would be, if they
• 1:20:15
  weren't supposed to partake in this, why was
• 1:20:19
  it there? Because it wasn't like, are we supposed
• 1:20:24
  to believe that the tree of the knowledge of
• 1:20:26
  good and evil was the first temptation? Was it?
• 1:20:30
  Literally just put in the garden for the purpose
• 1:20:32
  of temptation. Have we ever stopped to think
• 1:20:35
  about why is it there in the first place? Because
• 1:20:38
  God's made every tree to spring up and they were
• 1:20:41
  pleasant in sight and he made the tree of life
• 1:20:43
  and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
• 1:20:45
  Why are they there because they have purpose?
• 1:20:48
  So all of those trees had purpose those trees
• 1:20:51
  specifically also had a purpose. Yeah, they didn't
• 1:20:55
  just oh Hey, what's that tree over there? It's,
• 1:21:00
  they had a purpose. What was the purpose? Yeah,
• 1:21:03
  I think that's it. And that's the question that
• 1:21:05
  I ask when I read this. Why was it there? I think
• 1:21:09
  everyone's asked that to some degree. And what
• 1:21:11
  was it doing? What fruit was it producing? That
• 1:21:17
  was necessary to creation. I'll say so, at least
• 1:21:20
  for me, the one answer that I hear, that I've
• 1:21:24
  been told growing up, and the one that I hear
• 1:21:27
  from a lot of... pastors okay is oh well it was
• 1:21:31
  there as um because god had to create a way for
• 1:21:35
  people to disobey so it's like not like that
• 1:21:39
  but it's like not that they would but it's like
• 1:21:41
  but he needs to give them the opportunity otherwise
• 1:21:43
  they don't have free will so this is kind of
• 1:21:45
  this free will decision and he was kind of like
• 1:21:47
  yeah let me just make this so i can give him
• 1:21:49
  the opportunity that's like i'm not misrepresenting
• 1:21:53
  but i'm poorly describing that opinion. And it's
• 1:21:56
  only because I think there's more to the story.
• 1:21:59
  And I think the tree, what it means there actually
• 1:22:03
  holds a greater purpose than just a testing for
• 1:22:07
  man. I think there's more to it than simply that.
• 1:22:12
  But it's gonna take me a minute to give you that
• 1:22:14
  answer as normal. To be expected. But all I wanted
• 1:22:18
  to say was, the reason I don't like that answer
• 1:22:22
  is. One, it doesn't feel like it's researched
• 1:22:24
  at all. Also, it's in light of chapter three.
• 1:22:28
  Yes. The problem is, before chapter... If chapter
• 1:22:32
  three didn't exist and we never fell, the tree
• 1:22:35
  would still be there. Correct. Yeah. And chapter
• 1:22:39
  two tells us that it was created for, it was
• 1:22:43
  sprung up and it was created for a reason. Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  And it was created in that space and it was good
• 1:22:48
  to the site and it was pleasant. It's created
• 1:22:52
  there. On the back end, we're not like, we go,
• 1:22:57
  oh, that's how humanity fell. We don't know that
• 1:23:03
  in Genesis two. We don't know that until Genesis
• 1:23:06
  three. So that means that it wasn't for a time.
• 1:23:13
  It served a purpose before Genesis three. Unless
• 1:23:18
  the only thing it did was that told us it was
• 1:23:22
  there, and then Genesis 3 tells us why it's there.
• 1:23:26
  Yeah, well, the other question to that following
• 1:23:28
  it along is, okay, so did the tree disappear
• 1:23:32
  after man ate from it? Well, that's an interesting
• 1:23:36
  question. And it's like, well, actually we don't
• 1:23:38
  know that. Right. But we do know that man was
• 1:23:40
  locked out of the garden. Yeah. They were thrown
• 1:23:44
  out. Yeah. And it's like, so we have no access
• 1:23:46
  to those things anymore. Yeah, yeah. The things
• 1:23:49
  that were in there, that also being the tree
• 1:23:50
  of life. Right. So for the way that I'm leaning
• 1:23:55
  toward it now. OK. And actually, I'm going to
• 1:23:58
  go about this in my very Paul way. Do it. Take
• 1:24:02
  this on a journey, Paul. I'm going to jump back
• 1:24:03
  into the Bible. But first, let's take a quick
• 1:24:06
  ancient Near East trip. Cool. And let's look
• 1:24:09
  at, OK, what did the ancient Near East believe
• 1:24:11
  about trees? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's a...
• 1:24:14
  So, I'll just start with this. So the ancient
• 1:24:17
  Near East, they saw trees as cosmic symbols connecting
• 1:24:20
  heaven and earth. So that right there is a very
• 1:24:23
  interesting concept, which we'll come back later.
• 1:24:26
  Okay, I like that. So, to start off strong. So
• 1:24:32
  the tree of knowledge we see in Genesis, the
• 1:24:34
  Assyrians and Babylonians depicted sacred trees
• 1:24:36
  in their art often guarded by divine beings like
• 1:24:39
  the Apkalu, which might be a familiar term to
• 1:24:42
  some people, might not. They were basically like
• 1:24:44
  these demigod sages to them Yeah, so they're
• 1:24:49
  also going back to our knowledge bringer myths
• 1:24:52
  They were the ones who brought the knowledge
• 1:24:54
  this divine knowledge to humans. Yeah, they're
• 1:24:57
  not 100 god, right? Yeah, yeah. Um And then we
• 1:25:01
  even have the goddess ashura was often symbolized
• 1:25:04
  by sacred trees or wooden poles We see that in
• 1:25:07
  scripture often talking about the ashura pole.
• 1:25:09
  Oh, that's interesting I never thought about
• 1:25:11
  the fact that like the pole that's erected for
• 1:25:14
  the worship to Asherah would be a wooden pole.
• 1:25:18
  Yeah, it's just a wooden pole. But it's a tree.
• 1:25:21
  Yeah. It's like representing that. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:25:24
  I didn't think about that. And so it's like we
• 1:25:26
  see these motifs of what these trees represent.
• 1:25:32
  It's like there are sacred trees. You know what's
• 1:25:34
  interesting too? Yeah. The altars were always
• 1:25:37
  done on a high place. Yes. So a tree erected
• 1:25:40
  on a mountain. Yeah. Which is the tree in the
• 1:25:45
  garden on the mountain of God. Yes. Which is
• 1:25:48
  interesting. It's very interesting. I mean, we
• 1:25:50
  even see outside of this sacredness, we see the
• 1:25:55
  symbolism of trees as far as like rulership.
• 1:25:57
  Yeah. We see that with David. We see it with
• 1:25:59
  Abraham. Yeah. There's a few others, I think
• 1:26:02
  Ezekiel talks about it as well in multiple spots.
• 1:26:05
  But we see like these symbols of trees representing
• 1:26:08
  a lot of things. But one of the big things that
• 1:26:11
  it often comes down to is this connection between
• 1:26:14
  heaven and earth. This idea of knowledge that
• 1:26:17
  it brings. And so, actually I'll jump here real
• 1:26:23
  quick. Talking about the Apkalu. This is a fun
• 1:26:29
  one. So they are described as winged genies or
• 1:26:39
  cherubim -like, often portrayed in reliefs holding
• 1:26:44
  a bucket and cone, performing a ritual around
• 1:26:48
  a tree of life. A bucket and a cone? I'm glad
• 1:26:51
  you asked that. What kind of cone? I was funny.
• 1:26:55
  As I was looking into this, I saw that and I
• 1:26:57
  was like, I can either ignore this. But knowing
• 1:27:00
  me, and Stephen, his first question will be,
• 1:27:04
  what? So let's talk about that. I actually surprised
• 1:27:09
  myself that that was my first question. But now
• 1:27:12
  I'm like, of course. I was prepared. I was fully
• 1:27:15
  prepared for that. Why a bucket and a cone? Also,
• 1:27:19
  I immediately think like a five gallon bucket
• 1:27:21
  from Lowe's and like a traffic cone. Which...
• 1:27:25
  Clearly didn't exist back then so Talk about
• 1:27:30
  portals. Well, so the bucket is a little bit
• 1:27:33
  simpler So but I'm gonna start with the cone
• 1:27:36
  actually instead. Okay, I'm gonna go back to
• 1:27:38
  my original plan. Okay, okay, so the cone and
• 1:27:42
  often Referred to as like a pine cone specifically.
• 1:27:46
  Oh, oh Yeah, okay, so used the only like one
• 1:27:52
  person is like Everybody else is like, okay.
• 1:27:57
  So like. The annoying things? Alvin and the chipmunks?
• 1:28:01
  What? No. I don't know. Chipmunks are like, what
• 1:28:05
  are those? Oh, acorns. Yeah, acorns. I don't
• 1:28:08
  know why I thought chipmunks. Trees. Chipmunks,
• 1:28:13
  swallows. So why were they holding a cone, a
• 1:28:15
  pine cone? So pine cones were, there's another
• 1:28:19
  kind of cone too, I can't remember the name of
• 1:28:20
  it right now, were used in rituals. Poplar cone.
• 1:28:23
  Poplar cone. They were used in rituals for sprinkling
• 1:28:27
  holy water or sacred oil. The Egyptian staff
• 1:28:31
  of Osiris depicts two intertwining serpents rising
• 1:28:35
  up to meet a pine cone. Like they're holding
• 1:28:38
  it? Yeah, so like they're wrapped around the
• 1:28:40
  staff at the tip of the staff there. They're
• 1:28:43
  yeah kind of connecting to this pine cone at
• 1:28:45
  the tip of the staff Okay, and so it's like interesting.
• 1:28:49
  This is kind of interesting, right? Yeah, so
• 1:28:51
  the staff's symbolic parallels it parallels the
• 1:28:56
  Indian Kundalini a spiritual energy in the body
• 1:29:00
  depicted as coiled serpents rising up from the
• 1:29:05
  base of the spine to the third eye or the pineal
• 1:29:08
  gland. That's what the third eye is? Yeah, in
• 1:29:11
  the moment of enlightenment. I was going to try
• 1:29:14
  and say pineal gland. Yeah, and that's part of
• 1:29:18
  it is from pine cone. No, no, I know that. Yeah,
• 1:29:21
  yeah, yeah. So that's OK. So that's that I was
• 1:29:24
  going to try and get there to let everybody know
• 1:29:26
  that I know it. I also know this. I know these
• 1:29:30
  things. I know. So essentially, it's like this
• 1:29:33
  is connected. It's funny that they're doing this
• 1:29:35
  around a tree. It's weird that they call it the
• 1:29:38
  third eye. Yes. Well that goes further into more
• 1:29:41
  the New Age practices that use the symbolism
• 1:29:44
  of a pine cone. Right. Because that's a, I mean
• 1:29:49
  as soon as I said it you knew where I was going.
• 1:29:51
  Yes. And because it's a symbol that's been, I
• 1:29:54
  mean since the Babylonians and the Assyrians.
• 1:29:56
  Yeah, which is fascinating because the pineal
• 1:30:00
  gland is I wanna look this up because I don't
• 1:30:05
  wanna say this out of turn. No, no, it's important,
• 1:30:09
  yeah. Yeah, so paint that image one more time.
• 1:30:14
  Okay. So the parallel, it parallels, I'm just
• 1:30:20
  gonna read it again. Let me pull it back. So
• 1:30:25
  this is paralleling the Egyptian staff of Osiris
• 1:30:29
  to the Indian Kunalini. which is a spiritual
• 1:30:33
  energy in the body, depicted as coiled serpents
• 1:30:37
  rising up from the base of the spine to the third
• 1:30:41
  eye, or the pineal gland, in the moment of enlightenment.
• 1:30:46
  And so it's this picture that we have where,
• 1:30:51
  and also it's like, we can just take, I feel
• 1:30:54
  like the symbolism kind of speaks for itself
• 1:30:55
  when we talk about serpents, and talk about these
• 1:30:58
  tree -like things, or even a pine cone. It's
• 1:31:02
  like, what is this pine cone representing? Well,
• 1:31:04
  we already know that the tree, a sacred tree,
• 1:31:07
  is this representation of this connection between
• 1:31:10
  heaven and earth. And the pine cone, which the
• 1:31:15
  Apkali would use around these sacred trees for
• 1:31:17
  their rituals, that its representation was your
• 1:31:23
  third eye or your spiritual energy. Yeah. And
• 1:31:26
  so it's like, OK, so that's part of this. connection
• 1:31:29
  between heaven and earth so a couple of things
• 1:31:32
  yeah the the pine cone the the representation
• 1:31:35
  of the pineal gland is is interesting for for
• 1:31:38
  a couple of things yes uh one modern thing is
• 1:31:42
  that at the vatican there is a massive do you
• 1:31:46
  know this oh i think i do know this so at the
• 1:31:49
  at the vatican like in a central place i didn't
• 1:31:52
  think about that there's a huge like statue not
• 1:31:57
  a statue uh monument yeah yeah of a pine cone
• 1:32:01
  that's right yeah and the pope has a staff and
• 1:32:09
  on the top of the staff is the pine is the pine
• 1:32:12
  cone i don't think i knew that yes so that is
• 1:32:15
  weird but that's very weird it is weird uh that's
• 1:32:19
  not like that's not conspiracy that's not speculation
• 1:32:22
  just type in pope staff yeah and every pope their
• 1:32:28
  staff has a pineal like the represent it's this
• 1:32:31
  cone yeah it's the third eye which is like that's
• 1:32:34
  why the conspiracies are like what's going on
• 1:32:37
  i mean it's all in here yeah yeah especially
• 1:32:39
  like what was the intent to use the pine cone
• 1:32:42
  in this it was to sprinkle the oil yeah or holy
• 1:32:46
  water now they i can't remember what it's called
• 1:32:49
  right now all the catholics in here know what
• 1:32:51
  i'm talking about there's a tool they use now
• 1:32:53
  to sprinkle the holy water oh yeah i don't know
• 1:32:56
  um and i can't remember what it's called it's
• 1:32:57
  a specific tool it's been around for a couple
• 1:32:59
  hundred years um yeah but up until that point
• 1:33:02
  i believe that they would use some pine cone
• 1:33:06
  like stuff that makes sense um but there's also
• 1:33:11
  something else that's very interesting um a spur
• 1:33:16
  a spurgulum yeah that's it yeah that's it used
• 1:33:20
  to sprinkle holy water is it looks kind of like
• 1:33:22
  a mace and a spurgulum Yeah. Yeah, or like a
• 1:33:28
  brush. Yeah. Which makes sense. So here's the
• 1:33:32
  thing that's weird. And then let's keep going.
• 1:33:36
  But the pineal gland, so the main function of
• 1:33:41
  the pineal gland in the body, it is a cone -shaped,
• 1:33:47
  it's a small, cone -shaped gland located in the
• 1:33:51
  center of the brain. So the pineal gland is in
• 1:33:54
  the center of the brain, which is why it would
• 1:33:56
  get the nickname third eye. Because oftentimes
• 1:34:00
  people are like, oh, your third eye is in the
• 1:34:02
  center of your forehead and back. And what you
• 1:34:05
  may also not know or not think about or realize
• 1:34:08
  is that your eyes are actually connected directly
• 1:34:11
  to your brain. So your pupil is actually a hole
• 1:34:15
  that goes to your brain. So your eyes are literally
• 1:34:20
  the portal or the gateway to your mind. It's
• 1:34:24
  quite literally. Weird to think about. Yeah.
• 1:34:26
  So that's why the third eye, the center of the
• 1:34:30
  brain, it's the pineal gland. But it's small
• 1:34:34
  cone -shaped gland located in the center of the
• 1:34:36
  brain. Its primary function is to produce and
• 1:34:38
  secrete the hormone melatonin. Oh, speaking of
• 1:34:42
  sleep. Yeah. Actually, that's... Even more fast
• 1:34:47
  you thought I was gonna say something else which
• 1:34:49
  is not proven. That's why I looked it up Yeah,
• 1:34:51
  I'm glad you did look So like yeah, it's actually
• 1:34:56
  a little bit More fascinating. Yeah, because
• 1:35:00
  what it means is the pineal gland is The main
• 1:35:04
  function of it known is producing melatonin melatonin.
• 1:35:08
  Yes Essentially the sleep hormone, right? It's
• 1:35:12
  what it's the hormone that's secreted for you
• 1:35:14
  to be able to go to sleep Yeah, talking about
• 1:35:17
  going to sleep quickly. That's what I mean. Yeah
• 1:35:20
  It's interesting, but also like got an overactive
• 1:35:22
  pineal like the sleep state or like the things
• 1:35:26
  that happen when you're asleep, or the other
• 1:35:29
  side of, it's just an interesting idea. Now the
• 1:35:33
  speculation is, and some doctors have tried to
• 1:35:36
  prove this, but there's no proof of it, is that
• 1:35:39
  some people believe that it's also where DMT
• 1:35:42
  is created. So DMT is a psychedelic that's mainly
• 1:35:50
  used in like ayahuasca. But DMT is an actual
• 1:35:55
  hormone that's released in your brain that exists
• 1:35:58
  inherently in your body. And usually DMT is released
• 1:36:03
  at leading up to death. Oh, okay. I don't think
• 1:36:07
  I knew that. It's a hormone that's typically
• 1:36:13
  only released in high doses right before you're
• 1:36:16
  about to die. Interesting. Which is why it's
• 1:36:19
  weird that essentially what you're doing when
• 1:36:21
  you're taking things like Hiawaska or if you're
• 1:36:25
  taking DMT, then what you're doing is you're
• 1:36:29
  rushing hormones through your body that tells
• 1:36:31
  your body you're about to die. So what you end
• 1:36:34
  up doing is you end up having a near -death experience.
• 1:36:41
  But not literally, because it doesn't shut your
• 1:36:44
  body down. Yeah, that's very interesting. Because
• 1:36:46
  the DMT, it doesn't actually like... make your
• 1:36:49
  organs start to shut down. It's just the hormone
• 1:36:53
  that's released like serotonin would be when
• 1:36:56
  you're happy. So it's the hormone released when
• 1:37:01
  you're about to die. But it does create this
• 1:37:03
  disconnect where it's like in your brain, for
• 1:37:06
  lack of a better word right now, it's saying,
• 1:37:09
  oh, my body's dying, so I have to leave. It's
• 1:37:11
  like anesthesia. Yeah. Well, and so what I mean
• 1:37:14
  like the way reason I said it that way is because
• 1:37:16
  it's kind of a Disconnection between your soul
• 1:37:18
  and your body, right? Yeah, and so you're kind
• 1:37:21
  of you're manufacturing that experience Yeah,
• 1:37:24
  and so a lot of people like a lot of people are
• 1:37:26
  trying to prove that the pineal gland is also
• 1:37:29
  what produces DMT But that's not that's speculation.
• 1:37:33
  Yeah, but we know its main function is producing
• 1:37:37
  melatonin Yeah, which is what puts us to sleep.
• 1:37:40
  Yeah, that's That alone is fascinating. It is.
• 1:37:44
  Yeah, I don't even need the DMT part. Like that's
• 1:37:46
  really interesting. Yeah, so Well, yeah, so that's
• 1:37:50
  the cone. That's the cone. Okay, what's the bucket?
• 1:37:53
  And so here's the bucket which is actually a
• 1:37:54
  little bit more straightforward Okay, but it
• 1:37:56
  has a really interesting bit on the end here.
• 1:37:59
  Got it. So the bucket Is just a bucket But it
• 1:38:05
  was used to hold. Do you know that? Talk about
• 1:38:07
  90s. No, I don't know that one. Mr. Bucket Buckets
• 1:38:10
  of fun. Mr. Bucket. It was like this I actually
• 1:38:14
  found one and bought it for my my kids But it's
• 1:38:17
  like this bucket with a face on it that has like
• 1:38:20
  a really simple wheel You just turn it on it
• 1:38:22
  starts spinning around and that shoots balls
• 1:38:25
  up out of the bucket And it's got little hands
• 1:38:28
  and you have to like try and scoop the balls
• 1:38:29
  up and drop it into the bucket That's kind of
• 1:38:31
  awesome. It shoots them back out or no shoots
• 1:38:33
  it out of its mouth That's what I know and then
• 1:38:35
  you have to put it pick them up scoop them up
• 1:38:37
  put them back in the bucket That's actually kind
• 1:38:39
  of fun. So the bucket Mr. Buck. So yeah, so it
• 1:38:43
  held water. You almost sang Mr. Sandman. I almost
• 1:38:46
  did. I almost did. Melatonin. Yeah. Yeah. Appropriate.
• 1:38:52
  So it held water, oil, which wouldn't be surprising
• 1:38:56
  because that's what the cone is dipped in, or
• 1:39:00
  pollen. And it's used for anointing or purifying.
• 1:39:06
  So it's like, oh, well, that's interesting. And
• 1:39:10
  so the Avkalu are often depicted performing this
• 1:39:14
  ritual near a sacred tree, possibly a tree of
• 1:39:17
  life. And this actually suggests that the ritual,
• 1:39:21
  the pollen, was meant to ensure divine favor,
• 1:39:24
  cosmic balance, and agricultural fertility. And
• 1:39:28
  so it's kind of this interesting connection that's
• 1:39:32
  being painted there from just that source alone.
• 1:39:36
  I guess I focused on them as well because there
• 1:39:39
  is a big connection. We're talking about people
• 1:39:41
  that lived in Canaan. Okay. And near that area.
• 1:39:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where Israel was
• 1:39:46
  very familiar with. I'm glad you said that because
• 1:39:47
  I wasn't tracking with you on that. Okay, that's
• 1:39:49
  fair. Yeah, so I guess that's why - So these
• 1:39:50
  are Canaanites. Yeah. Okay. So it's like, oh,
• 1:39:53
  that's who we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:55
  And their history and the Hebrew history is very
• 1:39:59
  similar because they're from very similar regions.
• 1:40:02
  Yeah, they're also intertwined at many points.
• 1:40:04
  Yes. Even though God - Tells them to wipe them
• 1:40:08
  out right and so with that we can expect to see
• 1:40:12
  a lot more crossover sure in Old Testament writing
• 1:40:16
  because that's what the people were most familiar
• 1:40:18
  with because that was the pop culture Yeah, and
• 1:40:22
  by the time you get to the New Testament, they're
• 1:40:23
  mostly gone. Yes or blended into You know becoming
• 1:40:27
  like things like Philistines, right? Yeah, it's
• 1:40:32
  true. Yeah Not things like, but people like the
• 1:40:36
  Philistines. They become these things called
• 1:40:40
  the Philistines. These things? Actually, so I
• 1:40:43
  want to jump back really quick and bring up one
• 1:40:45
  other point before I dive into the question that
• 1:40:48
  you had asked. Okay. And so going back to the
• 1:40:54
  Asherah in that period of time. Okay, yeah. So
• 1:41:00
  some depictions suggest divine beings like El
• 1:41:03
  or Baal May have been connected to trees as protectors
• 1:41:08
  of sacred groves Okay, so it's like okay. Well,
• 1:41:11
  why is that interesting? Yeah, glad you asked
• 1:41:14
  And so for me this is jumping now back into Bible
• 1:41:18
  Okay, and so like I read all that only to not
• 1:41:22
  to say that's reality and now let's use that
• 1:41:25
  to inform the Bible Yeah, it's like no, let's
• 1:41:27
  look at what's the world around us saying in
• 1:41:30
  the culture at that time. And now let's see,
• 1:41:33
  does it help answer some of the gaps or does
• 1:41:35
  it help connect some of these dots for us? Things
• 1:41:40
  that the Bible plants for us, but we might not
• 1:41:42
  connect. And so for me, I look at Ezekiel 28,
• 1:41:48
  14. One of our favorite chapters, naturally.
• 1:41:52
  And so it's like, why do I go there? It's like,
• 1:41:54
  well, because when it's talking about the king
• 1:41:56
  of Tyre, it says, you were an anointed guardian
• 1:41:58
  cherub. yeah yeah yeah and it's like oh okay
• 1:42:01
  anointed guardian cherub and we know that this
• 1:42:03
  cherub was in the garden right um he was in the
• 1:42:06
  garden of eden yeah god says that yeah he does
• 1:42:09
  it's all within 28 which we've read in the past
• 1:42:12
  on this podcast we have yeah for different reasons
• 1:42:14
  yeah many different reasons yeah um but it's
• 1:42:17
  like okay so why is that interesting it's like
• 1:42:22
  well what is he guarding right and so for me
• 1:42:25
  this is again this is my speculation let's try
• 1:42:28
  to paint a picture with some puzzle pieces. Oh,
• 1:42:30
  that's a good point though, because he's a guardian
• 1:42:33
  cherub in the garden, but not after the garden.
• 1:42:36
  Right. It's not saying you were a guardian cherub
• 1:42:39
  at the gates of the garden. Correct. So there's
• 1:42:42
  a guardian cherub, Prince of Tyre. Yeah. King
• 1:42:45
  of Tyre. King of Tyre, who was in the garden
• 1:42:49
  on the Holy Mountain. Yeah. Who we know walked,
• 1:42:52
  as it says in the scripture, he walks amongst
• 1:42:55
  other sons of God in the garden. Yes. So it's
• 1:42:59
  like, okay, what are they doing in there? And
• 1:43:00
  none of what we're saying right now is speculative.
• 1:43:02
  It's literally Ezekiel 28. Yeah, we have an episode
• 1:43:05
  where we talked about that. We did, yeah. I don't
• 1:43:08
  know which one it was, but... I don't either,
• 1:43:09
  but we talked about the beast of the field, essentially.
• 1:43:13
  Like, who else was in the garden? Yes. Yeah,
• 1:43:16
  yeah, yeah. So like... Oh, was that the... Did
• 1:43:22
  angels write Enoch? No, I don't know is that
• 1:43:25
  one right, you know, I don't think it was that
• 1:43:26
  one you can find it You can find it the question
• 1:43:31
  may answer is that episode comes out. Yeah, I
• 1:43:34
  don't go back and look We'll try to link it.
• 1:43:36
  Sometimes the question doesn't get us all the
• 1:43:38
  way there. No, it's true Well is a jumping point.
• 1:43:42
  Well, okay, so Jumping to Genesis 3 now, okay
• 1:43:46
  jumping back Jumping back. Okay from Ezekiel
• 1:43:49
  28. Let's come on all the way back from everything.
• 1:43:51
  We just the journey we just took okay, and Again,
• 1:43:55
  it's like it starts with after a quick description
• 1:43:57
  of the serpent Painting him as this very crafty
• 1:44:00
  creature. Yeah, it says then he asked Eve and
• 1:44:04
  so like the question I asked earlier is like,
• 1:44:05
  okay So what happened before that and again,
• 1:44:08
  we don't know because it doesn't tell us right
• 1:44:11
  but we know that there was creatures in there.
• 1:44:15
  There were these cherubs in the garden that were
• 1:44:17
  guarding something. Yeah. So it's like, okay,
• 1:44:19
  well, according to some of these other myths
• 1:44:22
  and these other ancient beliefs, these divine
• 1:44:27
  beings were guarding trees. And these trees represented
• 1:44:31
  this knowledge and this connection between heaven
• 1:44:35
  and earth. Oh, so it's a suggestion. And so it's
• 1:44:38
  like, what I'm suggesting is, was the serpent
• 1:44:41
  Was he a guardian cherub that was protecting
• 1:44:44
  or guarding the tree of knowledge of good and
• 1:44:47
  evil? Which would have been this bridge between
• 1:44:50
  heaven and earth. It would have been this knowledge
• 1:44:53
  that heaven had that wasn't for man. Right. And
• 1:44:57
  so he wouldn't have potentially, if this thought
• 1:45:01
  is correct, he wouldn't have walked up or snuck
• 1:45:04
  up to Adam and Eve. And at this point, he wouldn't
• 1:45:08
  even be fallen. He's actually where he should
• 1:45:11
  be. But what he shouldn't be doing now is saying,
• 1:45:14
  hey, don't you wanna take a bite? Don't you wanna
• 1:45:18
  learn something that you're not supposed to?
• 1:45:20
  Because God's keeping something from you that
• 1:45:22
  can elevate you to a status that you're not at
• 1:45:25
  currently. Because isn't that what he says? He
• 1:45:27
  says you can be like God, knowing both good and
• 1:45:30
  evil. He's basically saying, There's information
• 1:45:33
  here that you don't have that you could have.
• 1:45:38
  Right. So do you want it? Do you want it? Yeah.
• 1:45:43
  And even when he says like, oh, you're not going
• 1:45:44
  to die. It's like, well, it's funny. It's like
• 1:45:47
  there are so many entendres that he could have
• 1:45:49
  been referring to when he says that. We don't
• 1:45:51
  actually know what he meant. Yeah. And also it
• 1:45:54
  translates translates it to and you surely will
• 1:45:57
  not die. Right. Yeah. Like he's very he's crafty.
• 1:46:01
  He's suggesting. You're not gonna die. You know
• 1:46:04
  what I mean? Yeah, it's kind of suggesting inflection.
• 1:46:07
  But yeah Yeah, and it's like well, what does
• 1:46:09
  it end up leading to what leads to? Massive destruction.
• 1:46:13
  Yeah, because and death it's because yeah it
• 1:46:15
  does Yeah, because humanity is now engaged in
• 1:46:18
  this knowledge that we weren't supposed to have
• 1:46:21
  the knowledge wasn't wrong The knowledge wasn't
• 1:46:23
  evil right, but we weren't supposed to have it
• 1:46:26
  Yeah, the knowledge of it wasn't evil Yes. But
• 1:46:30
  the knowledge was of evil. Well, I don't even
• 1:46:35
  know if I'd say that even. Okay. I guess what
• 1:46:37
  I'm suggesting is it wasn't for us to know. Right.
• 1:46:43
  It doesn't mean it was good or evil. Yeah. It
• 1:46:45
  means it wasn't for us. Yeah. So us having it
• 1:46:47
  is evil. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, yeah, it's kind
• 1:46:52
  of interesting. So it's this image that like
• 1:46:55
  they were used to Adam and Eve. were used to
• 1:47:00
  walking in the garden, living and dwelling in
• 1:47:02
  the garden. And they're being guardian cherub
• 1:47:06
  that were just in the garden. And they were guarding
• 1:47:10
  trees. Yeah. And that's we kind of get that a
• 1:47:14
  little bit from the other ancient cultures and
• 1:47:16
  how they look at it. Yeah, because that's like
• 1:47:18
  a description that we see often. Yeah. And it's
• 1:47:21
  like, so it has to come from somewhere, right?
• 1:47:22
  Yeah. So it's more like there's a discussion
• 1:47:25
  sparked up between Eve and one of these guardian
• 1:47:28
  cherub. yeah who was craftier than all of the
• 1:47:33
  other beasts yeah in the field yes all of the
• 1:47:38
  other guardian cherub yeah and other living other
• 1:47:42
  living things that were in the garden yeah and
• 1:47:45
  he uses that craftiness to then i mean even if
• 1:47:48
  we take from one of the things i read this is
• 1:47:51
  going back to the apkalu perspective yeah um
• 1:47:55
  with the Babylonians is that these rituals and
• 1:48:00
  these divine beings were to ensure cosmic balance.
• 1:48:05
  Oh, right. That was one of the things. And so
• 1:48:08
  it's interesting, taking this perspective, we
• 1:48:11
  see the serpent in the garden to protect and
• 1:48:14
  maintain this order, this protection of the tree.
• 1:48:18
  But instead, he chose to sin by tempting man
• 1:48:21
  to take part in something that was not for them.
• 1:48:24
  And then what's interesting, This is for me.
• 1:48:27
  I'm kind of jumping a little bit ahead here,
• 1:48:28
  but we'll definitely come back But I think it's
• 1:48:30
  such a beautiful thing that I see out of this
• 1:48:34
  is That here's this tree that represents knowledge
• 1:48:38
  In knowledge that wasn't for humanity, but we
• 1:48:41
  take part in it and it disrupts this balance
• 1:48:43
  of the of the cosmos Yeah, we disrupt the connection
• 1:48:47
  between heaven and earth. Yes, that balance is
• 1:48:49
  severed But then later I think it's interesting
• 1:48:53
  that we see Jesus Being crucified on a tree on
• 1:48:57
  a tree and what does he do? Through his death
• 1:49:00
  and resurrection. He restores he redeems that
• 1:49:03
  balance that had been that had been destroyed
• 1:49:05
  and severed You know what else he does? He becomes
• 1:49:08
  the way the truth. Yes life the only way to the
• 1:49:12
  father. Yeah, so was it that the tree was the
• 1:49:18
  way to the father Was it a way of moving back
• 1:49:22
  and forth from heaven to earth? Yeah, so when
• 1:49:26
  Like the tree as a portal or as a bridge or as
• 1:49:31
  a pathway moving between heaven and earth Yeah,
• 1:49:35
  before we wrap up that thought I want to throw
• 1:49:37
  in this Mayan myth. Yeah, please Because I have
• 1:49:41
  something to add what you just said too, okay
• 1:49:43
  In Mayan mythology the Yakshi or YAXHE hold a
• 1:49:50
  high importance because of its significance in
• 1:49:53
  the creation story of the Maya people. According
• 1:49:56
  to the Popal Vu, an ancient Mayan scripture,
• 1:50:02
  the gods planted four seba trees in each corner
• 1:50:05
  of the world. In the east, a red seba, in the
• 1:50:09
  west, a black seba, in the south, a yellow seba,
• 1:50:12
  and in the north, a white seba, so that they
• 1:50:15
  could hold up the heavens. The fifth Yakshi was
• 1:50:20
  planted in the center of the four trees. Pineal
• 1:50:24
  gland much? So that its roots could reach Exebalba.
• 1:50:31
  I'm not saying any of these things correctly.
• 1:50:33
  And that is the underworld. And its branches
• 1:50:37
  reached the heavens. The fifth tree was viewed,
• 1:50:41
  that was in the center of the garden, as the
• 1:50:43
  sacred connector of the three realms. The underworld?
• 1:51:09
  Wow. So this fifth tree in this Mayan mythology
• 1:51:14
  was a pathway between the underworld and the
• 1:51:19
  heavens. And it doesn't say that humans could
• 1:51:24
  use it, but it does say that that's where they
• 1:51:27
  would pass when they die. But it was the only
• 1:51:30
  pathway for the gods to move to the middle world.
• 1:51:35
  So whether from the heavens or the underworld,
• 1:51:37
  it was the only pathway, the world tree in the
• 1:51:40
  Mayan culture, for the gods to move into the
• 1:51:45
  middle world, which is the earth. And so that's
• 1:51:50
  one of those things where you look at the tree.
• 1:51:51
  I'm actually really happy you read that, because
• 1:51:52
  that's where I was going to go. Go there. Yeah,
• 1:51:56
  no, no, finish your thought. Well, it's this
• 1:51:59
  imagery of what we've set up and what we've been
• 1:52:01
  talking about with mythologies and the truths
• 1:52:03
  of it and the things that kind of show up in
• 1:52:05
  other cultures that are pieces of this bigger
• 1:52:08
  story going on. And it's this idea that maybe
• 1:52:12
  the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. is
• 1:52:15
  a portal or a pathway, a place that's moving
• 1:52:18
  between good, the heavens, and evil, the underworld.
• 1:52:22
  And not necessarily that sheol is an existence
• 1:52:25
  in this beginning moment. We don't necessarily
• 1:52:28
  know that. That would be completely speculative.
• 1:52:32
  But we have some indicators that maybe something
• 1:52:34
  like that is going on in the sense that you have
• 1:52:38
  this world that was created but was formless
• 1:52:41
  and without. And so in that, it's like, okay,
• 1:52:44
  well, creation wasn't perfect. It was created,
• 1:52:48
  but then it needed to be shaped. And so maybe
• 1:52:52
  this tree is that movement between good and evil.
• 1:52:56
  So a knowledge would be the ability to move between
• 1:52:59
  or receive from. Like either receive knowledge
• 1:53:04
  from the heavens or the underworld or to move
• 1:53:09
  between the two, right? Which is interesting
• 1:53:11
  because the thing that makes me think of is when
• 1:53:14
  the when Eden when they're locked out and They
• 1:53:18
  have to go out now all of a sudden They like
• 1:53:23
  they're The the guardian cherub are now at the
• 1:53:26
  gate Yes, and no one can enter the garden. Yeah,
• 1:53:29
  and you kind of go. Well, like what are they?
• 1:53:31
  What are they garden guarding? What are they
• 1:53:33
  gardening? Well, maybe what they're gardening
• 1:53:36
  is they're guarding the ability to for the beings
• 1:53:42
  who sinned against God that are now, they're
• 1:53:47
  banished to the dust of the earth, which is what
• 1:53:51
  God punishes the serpent, that he's banished
• 1:53:54
  to live on his belly. And eat the dust of the
• 1:53:58
  earth. Yeah, or to be in the middle space, to
• 1:54:01
  be only on the earth. So now the guardian chair
• 1:54:05
  of the ancient serpent, cannot move between realms
• 1:54:11
  to use that language. Now it can only stay in
• 1:54:15
  the middle space. It can only stay on the earth.
• 1:54:19
  It's stuck there, but has no dominion. It's made
• 1:54:22
  lesser than the humans who, and that's why the
• 1:54:27
  woman will bruise with the heel, will bruise
• 1:54:31
  the head of the serpent. So you have this like,
• 1:54:33
  all of a sudden, everybody gets punished. in
• 1:54:37
  that instance, and there's perfect judgment in
• 1:54:41
  that space. Right. Yeah, and I think that's,
• 1:54:44
  I mean, it's funny, because that's exactly where
• 1:54:46
  I was planning on heading with this, so it was
• 1:54:48
  great. I was like, oh, this works out perfect.
• 1:54:50
  Yeah, because I think there, yeah, there is that,
• 1:54:53
  so it's like, here's this access, this portal,
• 1:54:55
  represented as a tree of knowledge of good and
• 1:54:57
  evil, that can be this access point. And if portal
• 1:55:01
  sounds bad, like most ancient cultures call it
• 1:55:05
  a bridge or a pathway. portal just feels like
• 1:55:09
  maybe too strange. It's got a charge on it. Yeah,
• 1:55:11
  it does. We can call it a bridge. Yeah, a bridge
• 1:55:14
  or a pathway. That's also very Norse. It is,
• 1:55:17
  yeah. It's a pathway. Yeah. Yeah. But looking
• 1:55:21
  at this is like... But bridges are delicate.
• 1:55:23
  They are. Yeah. Depending on what language you
• 1:55:25
  speak. That's true. And it's not like... Which
• 1:55:31
  is interesting because if a bridge is seen as
• 1:55:34
  feminine in some cultures... And the bridge is
• 1:55:38
  the tree, represented as the tree. Yeah. That's
• 1:55:41
  kind of interesting. I don't know where you're
• 1:55:43
  going with that one. Well, just like Mother Nature,
• 1:55:46
  like that. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's
• 1:55:48
  more of a nurturing. Right. Yeah, that's interesting.
• 1:55:51
  Yeah. Where was I going? Now I lost it. Sorry.
• 1:55:56
  The movement between heaven and earth and being
• 1:55:58
  locked out. Oh, yeah. That's right. You stopped
• 1:55:59
  me on portal. This bridge. Yeah, portal. Portal.
• 1:56:06
  And it's like, yeah, what was man for? It's like
• 1:56:09
  man was created for earth. And I think that's
• 1:56:13
  a big thing that's hard for us to swallow sometimes.
• 1:56:17
  And especially when we look at this new age movement
• 1:56:20
  that's been happening for a long time. And I
• 1:56:23
  haven't shared it on here before, but it's like,
• 1:56:25
  I found myself there for a while, and now here
• 1:56:27
  I'm on the other side of it. But it's that idea
• 1:56:30
  of like, let's get in touch with our spiritual
• 1:56:31
  side. But it's this overemphasis, and it's oftentimes,
• 1:56:36
  let me, let me do it on my terms. I want to be
• 1:56:39
  in control of it when that's not what God created.
• 1:56:42
  When He said, no, you're going to be in the garden
• 1:56:45
  to take dominion of the earth. It's like, well,
• 1:56:48
  that's what we were created for. We were created
• 1:56:49
  for the space here on earth. Now we were in a
• 1:56:52
  place in the Garden of Eden where we were in
• 1:56:56
  this in -between where we could meet with God.
• 1:56:58
  We could meet with these spiritual beings that
• 1:57:00
  were there. And we had this bridge area that
• 1:57:03
  we were in. And that severed because we said,
• 1:57:06
  I wanna do it in my terms, because I'm gonna
• 1:57:09
  take and eat. Because that's what I wanna do
• 1:57:12
  the way I wanna do it. And I wanna step outside
• 1:57:15
  of my created order. And we see when the serpent,
• 1:57:19
  when he did that, God said, okay, you can stay
• 1:57:21
  in this place you're not supposed to be. And
• 1:57:24
  for man, it's like, yeah, you're gonna stay here.
• 1:57:27
  But now the dominion that you have, you're losing,
• 1:57:29
  because you're allowing it to be usurped. And
• 1:57:32
  that's what we've done. It's like, we've, these
• 1:57:36
  beings that have been banished to the earth,
• 1:57:39
  they have, we've allowed them to usurp our power
• 1:57:41
  and we see that throughout scripture coming up
• 1:57:44
  over and over again. And this reclaiming until
• 1:57:48
  Christ finally comes and claims death and the
• 1:57:52
  earth for himself says, this is all mine now.
• 1:57:55
  Yeah, but also like, and taking that step further
• 1:57:59
  with a little bit more. visceral imagery, I'm
• 1:58:04
  thinking about this idea that like, because the
• 1:58:06
  thing is, the tree is good. We see it as good.
• 1:58:09
  Even though it's the tree of the knowledge of
• 1:58:11
  good and evil, it's still seen as a good creation
• 1:58:14
  with purpose in Genesis 2. So what you actually
• 1:58:19
  have is exactly what you're talking about. It's
• 1:58:22
  Adam and Eve in the garden and God comes down.
• 1:58:26
  Yes. And so from the heavens, God comes down
• 1:58:30
  to this middle space and meets with them. What
• 1:58:34
  does He do? He gives them knowledge. He gives
• 1:58:37
  them pleasures. He gives them opportunities.
• 1:58:41
  He meets with them in peace. It's this space
• 1:58:45
  of discussion. And He comes down and He brings
• 1:58:49
  and He walks with them. And they say, well, we
• 1:58:53
  don't want to wait for the cool of the day. We
• 1:58:57
  want to go up whenever we want. Yeah, we want
• 1:59:01
  to be able to get that knowledge get that access
• 1:59:03
  get that opportunity Whenever we want to so we're
• 1:59:07
  gonna do that because the thing I was thinking
• 1:59:10
  about was Fruit is reminiscent of what is being
• 1:59:14
  produced It's not actually so in other words
• 1:59:18
  like people don't produce of like apples unless
• 1:59:24
  they're You know what I mean? Like an apple has
• 1:59:27
  never come out of me unless I like threw it up
• 1:59:30
  or something. But like, so if a person is producing
• 1:59:35
  fruit or you could, it's a euphemism. Like if
• 1:59:40
  a car produces good fruit, what does the car
• 1:59:46
  do? It does its purpose. The car gets you from
• 1:59:50
  point A to point B. So good fruit or fruit being
• 1:59:54
  produced of something is that it works in its
• 1:59:58
  function. So the fruit of the tree is what? The
• 2:00:02
  fruit of the tree is knowledge received or knowledge
• 2:00:06
  transferred. It's the way that knowledge comes
• 2:00:09
  and goes, right? So what is the fruit of the
• 2:00:14
  tree of the knowledge of good and evil? It's
• 2:00:17
  the knowledge coming and going. It's the knowledge
• 2:00:22
  received from God coming through the tree. Like
• 2:00:25
  it's potentially like the fruit itself is knowledge
• 2:00:29
  You know, it's interesting and this is I just
• 2:00:32
  had this thought Even based on something you
• 2:00:35
  said earlier. We just said made me think of it
• 2:00:38
  when we think of the fruit and Let's let's take
• 2:00:42
  that as good and evil. Yeah, if it is this connector
• 2:00:45
  between the The heavenly realm the upper world.
• 2:00:50
  Yeah, and the underworld. Okay the shield It's
• 2:00:53
  like, well, it would be a depiction of something
• 2:00:56
  that is good, which is God's presence in heaven,
• 2:00:59
  and something that is evil, which is the realization
• 2:01:02
  of death in Sheol. So it's like, when we look
• 2:01:06
  at this, it would represent both if it is that
• 2:01:08
  bridge between both. Yeah, because I think it's
• 2:01:11
  a mistake to believe that death is created at
• 2:01:14
  the point of walking out of the garden. Yeah.
• 2:01:17
  And that brings up a huge heated topic, which
• 2:01:20
  could be... But not necessarily death on the
• 2:01:23
  Earth. Maybe death on the Earth is created at
• 2:01:26
  that point, or it enters into the world at that
• 2:01:29
  point, which is more biblical language. It doesn't
• 2:01:33
  mean it doesn't previously exist in the cosmic
• 2:01:35
  space. Right. We've got to think about that,
• 2:01:39
  too, especially when we look at Earth. And actually,
• 2:01:41
  this goes into a bigger conversation of the universe,
• 2:01:45
  when it's like, well, what was man put... what
• 2:01:47
  was man given dominion over? Was he given dominion
• 2:01:50
  over the Milky Way galaxy? No, he was given dominion
• 2:01:54
  over the earth. And so it's funny, because the
• 2:01:57
  reason I say it that way is because it jumps
• 2:01:59
  to this alien conversation that I hear people
• 2:02:01
  having. It's like, well, if aliens existed, then
• 2:02:04
  Jesus would have to die for them too. It's like,
• 2:02:05
  well, why would he? Because even if they are
• 2:02:09
  fallen, if they were, if they exist, whatever.
• 2:02:12
  They got their own thing. He chose to do that
• 2:02:16
  for humanity, not for everything on Earth. He
• 2:02:19
  didn't die for cows. You know what I mean? This
• 2:02:24
  is another podcast. It is another podcast. But
• 2:02:27
  I guess bringing all that together, when we look
• 2:02:30
  at it, it's like, well, man was given dominion
• 2:02:32
  over the Earth, so the results that happen on
• 2:02:35
  Earth is a result of man exercising or abusing
• 2:02:39
  their dominion. their authority, another way
• 2:02:42
  to say that. So when we chose to disobey God
• 2:02:45
  and decide for ourselves what is right, that
• 2:02:49
  was a judgment upon the earth. It was not a judgment
• 2:02:53
  upon everything. It was a judgment upon the earth
• 2:02:56
  that we were put in charge of. Yeah. Yeah, but
• 2:03:00
  I think I keep jumping back to this idea that
• 2:03:04
  the fruit being knowledge itself And the thing
• 2:03:10
  that, like, why that keeps sticking in my head
• 2:03:12
  is because every moment after the garden, what
• 2:03:16
  happens? Ziggurats are built. We're trying to
• 2:03:21
  become God. We're trying to gain that access
• 2:03:24
  to the heavens. We're trying to become like God.
• 2:03:28
  I mean, what was the Tower of Babel? That's my
• 2:03:30
  point. Yeah. That's the whole thing is like every
• 2:03:33
  other thing is like doing that building, building
• 2:03:36
  temples, building high places. And what are we
• 2:03:40
  trying to do? We're trying to recreate the mountain
• 2:03:42
  of God, recreate the tree or the portal to be
• 2:03:47
  able to receive the knowledge. So we're not trying
• 2:03:50
  to make Eden again so that we can like live in
• 2:03:53
  peace. No, man is trying to create an Eden again,
• 2:03:59
  a garden again. in order to re -open the portal
• 2:04:03
  to the knowledge that we desire. To be able to
• 2:04:08
  do what Eve did and go, oh, I'm gonna take that
• 2:04:12
  fruit because it's accessible and the guardian
• 2:04:15
  cherub is not doing his job. He's giving me access
• 2:04:19
  to what I shouldn't have access to. When you
• 2:04:21
  think about that for the motivation of it, wouldn't
• 2:04:23
  they want to go back? Yeah. they're not allowed
• 2:04:28
  to be there anymore. And so they're desperately
• 2:04:31
  like, we want to get back to what we knew. And
• 2:04:35
  so we can use you to help us get there. But also
• 2:04:37
  all those cherubim, and this is complete speculation,
• 2:04:41
  potentially like Adam and Eve go to sleep at
• 2:04:44
  night and they go up to their homes in the heavens.
• 2:04:47
  Like there's a movement between. And as soon
• 2:04:50
  as that's cut off, those cherubim can't do that
• 2:04:53
  anymore. So they're stuck on the earth. Yeah.
• 2:04:58
  And they don't want to be here. Right. Yeah,
• 2:05:00
  exactly. So that's where you get all this weird
• 2:05:04
  stuff happening a few chapters later. But it's
• 2:05:08
  just an interesting thought, I think, that when
• 2:05:10
  you look at the rest of Scripture and what humanity
• 2:05:14
  is trying to do, it's like we're all just trying
• 2:05:16
  to recreate the holy mountain. Not to recreate
• 2:05:19
  the garden, but to try and get the knowledge.
• 2:05:22
  To try and go back and do what Eve did. and do
• 2:05:28
  it as quick. And that's where it's like, that's
• 2:05:30
  where God is like, like was it not enough for
• 2:05:34
  you to wait for me to come down in the cold of
• 2:05:37
  day and to walk with you and give you the knowledge
• 2:05:40
  that I wanted to give you and give it to you
• 2:05:42
  in the timing that I wanted to give it to you.
• 2:05:44
  Give it to you when you were supposed to have
• 2:05:46
  it. Even, it makes me think of Moses and Mount
• 2:05:49
  Sinai. It's like, well that's the moment where
• 2:05:52
  God called them up to the mountain. He says,
• 2:05:55
  no, no, you didn't decide to come up here and
• 2:05:56
  get the law. I told you to come here and receive
• 2:05:59
  the law. And then we look at that, it's like,
• 2:06:02
  well, it took a long time. He was there for 40
• 2:06:04
  days. And there's speculation of what he was
• 2:06:06
  even doing up there. But it's like, the people
• 2:06:10
  that were waiting were like, too long. I'm going
• 2:06:14
  to go back to what I knew before. And it's like,
• 2:06:17
  yeah, because they didn't want to wait. They
• 2:06:20
  don't want to be patient on what the Lord had
• 2:06:21
  for them. Because it wasn't happening in the
• 2:06:23
  time they wanted it to happen. And what were
• 2:06:25
  they doing? When they worshiped God, they received
• 2:06:28
  something from God. So they said, hey, make us,
• 2:06:32
  not other gods, but make us the God who brought
• 2:06:35
  us out of Egypt because we want something from
• 2:06:38
  him. So they wanted that knowledge. They wanted
• 2:06:43
  whatever they needed in that moment, whenever
• 2:06:46
  they wanted it. They weren't willing to wait.
• 2:06:48
  And God was like, no, it's not time yet. Yeah.
• 2:06:51
  So in a lot of ways, that's exactly what's happening
• 2:06:53
  in the garden, potentially. Yeah. Is that what
• 2:06:56
  Eve is doing is is being enticed to reach for
• 2:07:02
  the knowledge that she's aware of. Yeah. And
• 2:07:05
  she's aware exists and knows what this tree does.
• 2:07:09
  I think that's the thing. It's like we can't
• 2:07:11
  assume that they're ignorant to what this is
• 2:07:12
  and what it represents, because she tells him.
• 2:07:15
  Yeah. When he asked, he's like, this is what
• 2:07:17
  it is. She's got her own flair to it. You know
• 2:07:21
  what I mean? But it's like, but she knows what
• 2:07:23
  it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's not like,
• 2:07:26
  yeah. So it's interesting because all of what
• 2:07:30
  we're talking about is not necessarily directly
• 2:07:32
  in scripture. Right. But it helps looking at
• 2:07:35
  other myths of the time period and later that
• 2:07:40
  kind of speak to that because what we do know
• 2:07:42
  and what we do believe is that there are other
• 2:07:45
  lowercase G gods. spiritual beings on the earth
• 2:07:50
  who have influenced other cultures and developed
• 2:07:55
  what we would look at as pagan practices and
• 2:07:59
  there was an exchange there of knowledge through
• 2:08:04
  those pagan practices and that's what we see
• 2:08:07
  all over the earth and those pagan practices
• 2:08:11
  and what they were the knowledge they were receiving
• 2:08:13
  they didn't make it up They were this is yeah,
• 2:08:17
  this is the deception. This is an imitation or
• 2:08:22
  it's a It's the it's knowledge that was meant
• 2:08:27
  for good Turning towards evil and taking from
• 2:08:32
  humanity. Yeah by the lowercase g gods the Ben
• 2:08:35
  Elohim the yeah in order to to indulge that the
• 2:08:42
  that those lower G gods could indulge the same
• 2:08:48
  way that the cherubim was trying to entice Eve.
• 2:08:53
  And even though Eve thought she gained something,
• 2:08:57
  it came at a cost. Just like all pagan worship
• 2:09:00
  does. Yeah, and I think even to go back on that,
• 2:09:06
  like this episode as a whole, it's like, yeah,
• 2:09:09
  it is definitely in the more speculative realm.
• 2:09:11
  which we've been out front about, and very honest
• 2:09:14
  about. But I think it is important, especially
• 2:09:17
  what you said, is that it's kind of, here's what's
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  happening in the world, and the Bible is responding
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  to that. It's using those motifs, those symbols,
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  in how it's writing to write. No, this is the
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  truth. And so I don't think it's surprising that
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  we see these these nods to a serpent and sacred
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  trees and even a tree of life, because these
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  are all common things where people believed these
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  myths, people had these myths about these supernatural
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  beings and what they did. And the Bible's saying,
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  okay, yeah, this is what you believe, now let
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  me take that and let me add the correction to
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  it. I'm gonna be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. but
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  also this. Well, because it's the knowledge that
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  we were supposed to get in purity was severed
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  after Adam and Eve did this. So now the knowledge
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  disseminated out throughout the earth is false
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  knowledge. So the Bible is God coming back and
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  going, okay, I let this go for a while. Now that
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  there are righteous people who are seeking me,
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  I'm gonna set it right. Not, I'm gonna give you
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  new information. No, I'm gonna correct it. I'm
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  gonna correct it. I'm gonna take what you guys
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  know already, and I'm gonna correct it. They
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  say it's this, I say it's that. It goes back
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  to like, who do they say the son of man is? It's
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  like, well, they say that, but who do you say?
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  And by the power of the Holy Spirit, you know?
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  Jesus the Christ, you know? Yeah, and I think
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  that there's such, there's so many examples of
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  that. The one I think of right now is like the
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  Ten Commandments. Yeah. And it's like, well,
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  they didn't know before. It's like, what do you
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  mean they didn't know before? It's like they
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  didn't have it written down before. Yeah. But
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  I think for us to assume that this law, these
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  Ten Commandments were just an epiphany randomly
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  one day where everyone's just like, oh, okay.
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  Yeah. It's like, I mean, the example I bring
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  up, I'm thinking of right now is like the Code
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  of Hammurabi, which is older. than the Ten Commandments.
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  And we see a lot of parallels there. It's like,
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  well, I don't think we should be surprised to
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  see that. Because the people knew what God required,
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  and the gods altered that to their own devices.
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  To benefit them. To benefit themselves. And then
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  God said, okay, these are my people, and I'm
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  gonna set the record straight. This is my command.
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  Yeah, it's God taking the formless world. and
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  breathing life into it. And then it becomes formless
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  again, and it breathes life into it. And I think
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  that's the story when we see this order and chaos.
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  God takes chaos and makes order, and then we
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  make it chaos again. And he says, okay, order.
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  And then we mess it up, and then he fixes it.
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  We mess it up and he fixes it. Until finally
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  Jesus himself came down and said, let me fix
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  it once and for all. And that's the difference,
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  because the mistake in the New Age would be like,
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  well, it sounds like what you're trying to express
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  in the garden is this yin and yang of this. This
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  balance here. I can see why you would get that.
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  Yeah. And I can see why the darkness would want
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  you to think that the dark is as important as
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  the light. Right. But that's just a deception.
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  It is. Because the Lord tells us that heaven
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  and earth will pass away. Hey, this isn't going
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  to go back and forth. It's moving in one direction.
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  This deception and all of this stuff, it will
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  be judged and it will be gone. And then there
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  will be no yin and yang. There will only be light.
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  Yeah. I mean, even look at the examples of even
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  God himself, where no one can look at the face
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  of God and live. Right. And it's like, because
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  Chaos cannot exist in the presence of God. He
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  has no tolerance for chaos, right? And so he's
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  like no I require order. Yeah, and there will
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  be order. Yeah so our trees portals Maybe kind
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  of seems like it possibly kind of seems like
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  they were used that way or represented that way
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  I'll say this. I think people like to use trees
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  As imagery for portals. Yeah. Or gateways. Yeah.
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  Trees are gateways. Gateways. It is interesting
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  though that - Trees are the gateway drug. When
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  Jesus dies on the cross, like you were saying,
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  He's on the tree. Yeah. And He goes into the
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  underworld. Yeah. And He takes the keys back.
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  And then He comes back up into the middle. Yeah.
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  And then He sends - into heaven it's amazing
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  so he came down from the heavens yeah became
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  a man on the earth and died on the earth in order
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  to go into the underworld through a portal which
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  was on the earth yes because he didn't go from
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  the heavens it was a tree on a mountain yes on
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  the earth in the middle world yes to use that
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  language and he moved from the heavens to the
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  underworld Yeah. Through the middle space, through
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  a tree. Yeah. And then came back out into the
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  middle space. Yeah. And then ascended into heaven.
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  Yeah. And then, and what did he do because of
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  that? He created balance. And that balance is,
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  like you said, not a yin and yang. It's order.
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  Right. He also ascends on the Mount of Olives.
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  That's right, yeah. And he will return on the
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  Mount of Olives. That's so cool. So did he open
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  the portal back up? He did. We can say that confidently.
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  He did open the portal back up, but the only
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  way through it is through him. Yeah. Which is
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  what he tells us. There's no cherubim guarding
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  it. It's just him. So you gotta, you gotta like,
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  and he's not gonna throw some fruit your way.
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  I mean, technically, that's what the Bible is.
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  He threw some fruit towards us. What do you think
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  about the Holy Spirit? Yeah, that's a big, that's
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  pretty big fruit. That's some big fruit. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. That's like a whole watermelon. Which
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  that's what my dad always said, if you eat the
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  seeds of a watermelon, it'll grow inside of you.
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  Which is true. That's for you to decide. Don't
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  look that up. So are trees portals? Yeah. You
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  decide. Question mark. Three two one