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It’s Not All Diamonds and Rosé · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellancamp and Tamra Jedge. Hi, guys,
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Speaker 1: welcome to this week's Two Teas in a Pod with myself,
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Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp and Tamra Judge. Who we have it on today?
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Speaker 1: Tamp Oh my god, I am so excited for this
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Speaker 1: because this is one of my very good friends. He
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Speaker 1: knows everything about every housewife ever. Um it's Dave Quinn.
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Speaker 1: He's a journalist and also in New York Times best
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Speaker 1: seller author of Not All Done, Insen Rose. So very
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Speaker 1: on Dave. Hello, du beautiful. So you're coming to us
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Speaker 1: from New York. How is it in New York right now?
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's the Omni Crown or Santa cron as
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Speaker 1: I'm calling it variant. It's just spreading like crazy and
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Speaker 1: everyone is mar all over again. And you just got boosted.
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Speaker 1: I just got boosted. Now I feel more powerful than
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Speaker 1: ever to go to the holidays and deal with my family.
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Speaker 1: Right I'm that you can do it. I know I
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Speaker 1: can do it, but I feel like I can't do
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Speaker 1: it right now. It's holidays and years all that stuff,
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Speaker 1: and I'm afraid I'm gonna get sick. So many people
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Speaker 1: I know that got it got sick. You it was
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Speaker 1: only four I got sick, but it wasn't terrible. I
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Speaker 1: didn't actually get sick. Yeah, I got boosted, but it
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Speaker 1: was just like my arm and my neck hurt and
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Speaker 1: I was tired. Oh is that what you were laying
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Speaker 1: on the ground the other day? Yes, that's what I
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Speaker 1: was laying on the thing. Not dramatic at all. That
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Speaker 1: being said, I don't even know if it actually made
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Speaker 1: me feel that way or it's like the placebo sometimes,
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Speaker 1: like I'm the person like you will take an AD
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Speaker 1: film and I'll be like, oh, my headaches gone, no
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Speaker 1: idea for actually that one AD takes the property. Well,
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Speaker 1: I yeah I got. I got knocked on my butt
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Speaker 1: with it. But I was the same way with every dose.
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Speaker 1: It just it's the same thing. It's like just a
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Speaker 1: fever for twenty four hours goes away and and no
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Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, we have like a mandate now mask
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Speaker 1: mandate in Orange County, which you know aren't Orange County
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Speaker 1: is very yeah, And I'm like, and I went to
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Speaker 1: the Malias day and I wore mine, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, everybody's actually not everybody, but nine ever
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Speaker 1: somewhere wearing masks. Really yeah, because only when I go
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Speaker 1: to Orange County, It's a completely different world out there.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, hello, what's happening l A. I can't even
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Speaker 1: leave my card out. I don't even like go into
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Speaker 1: l A right now. But I feel like it's just
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Speaker 1: so many people have it right now. I knew people
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Speaker 1: in the hospital with it right now. Um, and I
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Speaker 1: think everybody knows somebody that's gotten it. So people are
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Speaker 1: scared now. Yeah, I like them time, Yeah, about time,
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Speaker 1: right two years in, it's about time. I like the
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Speaker 1: mask because I like not being able to smile at anyone,
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Speaker 1: Like I like just kind of you know what. I like.
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Speaker 1: It's just so much easier to just be like yes
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Speaker 1: and not have to do all those things that you
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Speaker 1: do in public to kind of make people feel like,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're approachable. I don't have to worry about
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Speaker 1: at all. I was in a homegood yesterday and I
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Speaker 1: have my mask on and this lady breach for the
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Speaker 1: same thing as me, and it was a big one,
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Speaker 1: like one of those big and nine and whatever, and um,
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Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm sorry, and she goes, do I
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Speaker 1: know you? Like? I don't think so, and she's like, wait,
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Speaker 1: your tama right, And I'm like, yeah, Like, how did
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Speaker 1: you even know how you suppose my eyeballs? So, Dave,
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Speaker 1: you're a New York Times bestseller. Now, can you give
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Speaker 1: us a little bit more history for those of listening
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Speaker 1: that aren't clear on who you are, how you got
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Speaker 1: involved in the book everything? Oh my god, Teddy, I
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Speaker 1: feel like nobody knows who I am, and I don't
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Speaker 1: want them to. I love being in the background. This
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Speaker 1: is the weirdest thing to be like the guest. I'm
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Speaker 1: used to interview with both of you, so it still
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Speaker 1: feels very strange. But I've worked for oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: almost twenty years now as a journalist in the entertainment
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Speaker 1: fields for publications like People Magazine and Entertainment Weekly, amongst others,
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Speaker 1: and always reporting on Housewives. I kind of built a
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Speaker 1: long beat for myself in that world, and then about
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Speaker 1: two years ago started this process of what would it
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Speaker 1: be like if we did a book around housewives. I
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Speaker 1: was talking with Bravo about that and making it into
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Speaker 1: an oral history. In June when the world went you know,
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Speaker 1: it was in the midst of their lockdown and the
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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement was beginning. I was. I was
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Speaker 1: interviewing women five, you know, five different ladies a day,
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty much. I spent the summer of doing this
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Speaker 1: book and doing uh, putting everybody together. So it was
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Speaker 1: a pretty intense experience. We talked to over five people
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Speaker 1: and about five hours of interviews, but getting it all
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Speaker 1: transcribed and put together it was wild. But yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: the process. And you just answered about ten of our questions. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's good, it's good. Did anyone decline? Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: already asked for money? Oh yeah, a lot of people
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Speaker 1: ask for money. I have. I was keeping track of
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Speaker 1: all that because I thought it was interesting. A lot
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Speaker 1: of people wanted to get paid for it. I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm barely getting paid for this. What are you talking?
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Speaker 1: Any name names? I mean, I don't want to blow
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Speaker 1: anybody's spot up, but come on, give us one. I
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Speaker 1: think that you would say, Well, Vicky Gumbilson asked for money.
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Speaker 1: Of course she did, of course she did. She used
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Speaker 1: to ask for money to go and watch what happens Lives.
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Speaker 1: They're like no, no, She's like, I'm not going anymore,
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Speaker 1: and then she goes the next time. Yeah, of course,
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Speaker 1: so she definitely wanted some coins. Okay, So the book
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Speaker 1: your idea or was it Bravo's idea and they came
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Speaker 1: to you or you went to them? How did that
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Speaker 1: work out? It was kind of a mutual discussion. They
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Speaker 1: asked me, like, if you wanted to write a book
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Speaker 1: about the house, it's what would you want it to
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Speaker 1: look like? And then I submitted a proposal about how
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Speaker 1: it would be, kind of outlining the idea of doing
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Speaker 1: in oral history and what that would look like. So
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Speaker 1: I like the way it's written because I'm not very
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Speaker 1: good about reading and get distructed, but this is very
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Speaker 1: It's an easy read. Yeah, that was the idea. And listen,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one to say I
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Speaker 1: always say this is a book of It's a book
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Speaker 1: of opinions, of feelings, not a book of facts. So
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Speaker 1: it's like, everybody has their own opinions about it's not
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Speaker 1: a book of facts. It's not are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: Everybody has their own opinion of how everything kind of happens. Well,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about somebody's opinion and okay, sh
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Speaker 1: she pulls out the Obviously, this is like a reunion
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Speaker 1: day Okay, okay, So Kathleen French who worked for Evolution
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Speaker 1: if originally I don't know if you ever met her, Teddy,
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Speaker 1: she might have moved onto Bravo, but I met her
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Speaker 1: at Bravo. Yes, yes, okay, So she said tamer was
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Speaker 1: this girl from Glendora, California, with a working class roots.
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Speaker 1: Her mother was divorced. They didn't have a lot of
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Speaker 1: money in the house. This is a crocus ship. First
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Speaker 1: of all, my parents got divorced when I was twenty
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Speaker 1: seven years old. My dad had his own business, made
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Speaker 1: about two one or fifty thousand a year. We weren't
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Speaker 1: broke by any means. I was actually good money back then.
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Speaker 1: He was working classy under repair shop, used car sales
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Speaker 1: a lot, all that. But my mom didn't raise me.
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Speaker 1: Oh there you go. My parents were married until I
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Speaker 1: was twenty seven, so I don't know where she got
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Speaker 1: that information. I think that people's memories sometimes when they
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Speaker 1: tried to look back on things, could be a little fuzzy.
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Speaker 1: Did anybody try to rewrite what you know wasn't true?
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Speaker 1: Like you're like, I know what happened that didn't happen? Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean there were certain things that like I would
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Speaker 1: have to correct people on as they would tell me
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Speaker 1: their stories again and I would be like, but I
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Speaker 1: saw this on this show, like you ever caught this?
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Speaker 1: And they would say, well, oh, well did that happen first?
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Speaker 1: And so I caught some people in the process. But
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Speaker 1: I tried not to fact check everyone, right. I wanted
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Speaker 1: this to be a space for everybody. Just like if
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Speaker 1: I was to come back at you and take your
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Speaker 1: words out and remove things that you had said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do that to someone else. I
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Speaker 1: was trying to hold the integrity of everything everyone was
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Speaker 1: staying as honestly as I could. Did your perspective change
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Speaker 1: on any Housewives after you wrote, like after you got
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Speaker 1: their interviews? Oh, that's so interesting, you know. I think
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Speaker 1: that everybody is really who they are pretty much down
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Speaker 1: to the core, and the people that we see on
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Speaker 1: TV are exactly who they are in front of the
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Speaker 1: camera as well. So if you were somebody who is
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Speaker 1: a little bit more guarded of a human on TV,
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Speaker 1: if you feel like when you're watching them that they're
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Speaker 1: putting out an act and they're trying to control a narrative,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly how they were in the interview as well,
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Speaker 1: so that didn't really shift that much. What I found
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Speaker 1: most interesting was talking to those produced hers and their
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Speaker 1: perspectives on people because it verified a lot of the
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Speaker 1: things that I felt as a viewer. And I mean, Teddy,
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Speaker 1: no one kind of encompasses that more than you. I
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Speaker 1: think that I was always such a fan of you
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Speaker 1: because as a viewer, I saw that you moved the
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Speaker 1: storyline along every season that you were on. You know,
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Speaker 1: there wasn't really conflict if it wasn't for the things
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Speaker 1: that you were doing. And I know, and we get,
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Speaker 1: both of us get shipped for that constantly, like yeah,
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Speaker 1: because people people don't really get that you have to
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Speaker 1: move story So, like example, what happened this year on
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Speaker 1: Housewives that felt on Beverly Hills that fell into their
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Speaker 1: lap and became a drama for them. We didn't have
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Speaker 1: that right. So we're like, they're looking to you to
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Speaker 1: be like, Okay, what's next? And so you have to
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Speaker 1: like live bigger than you may necessarily want to be.
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Speaker 1: You know, you have to make a show. But if
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Speaker 1: you remember, and somebody d mned me this, which was
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Speaker 1: a nice reminder because I had forgotten because I got
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Speaker 1: so much hate for so long. They said, listen, you
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Speaker 1: have to remember at the beginning, people loved you because
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Speaker 1: you're a fresh and opinionated But after you've gotten the
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Speaker 1: whole trouble with the dog thing and everything, then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's when you became boring. And it
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Speaker 1: was because that was an easy thing to say. That
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Speaker 1: hurts people's feelings, and people just shift. And you know,
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Speaker 1: if somebody has a strong fan base, they're gonna come
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Speaker 1: hard and they're gonna say the same thing over and
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Speaker 1: over again, just like in the show, to create a
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Speaker 1: storyline about somebody, right, And you're only as good as
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Speaker 1: this week's episode. So people love you one week and
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Speaker 1: they hate you the next. It's true and there's no winning.
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Speaker 1: I I joked, you know, watching this season of Beverly
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Speaker 1: Hills that there was fans saying, you know, it's bullshit
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Speaker 1: that Lisa Renna isn't talking about the fact that her
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Speaker 1: daughter is dating Scott Disick, she's hiding the truth. And
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Speaker 1: then the next episode she talked about it, and it
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Speaker 1: was the same person I saw on Twitter saying Lisa
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Speaker 1: Renna is using the fact that her daughter is dating
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Speaker 1: Scott Discac for line it's like, that's why you can't
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Speaker 1: take these serious, Like Teddy was saying, like she blocks
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Speaker 1: a lot of people right right to the point where
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Speaker 1: I don't even give a crap, like there's something wrong
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Speaker 1: with you if you're sending me these messages as long
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Speaker 1: as I'm talking about my kids. It makes me feel
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Speaker 1: really good to block somebody that repeatedly drives me nut,
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Speaker 1: like I'm like a go away because I've had to,
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Speaker 1: like because so much my business is online that I'm
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Speaker 1: like now blocked by Yeah, I know, but you should
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Speaker 1: restrict them instead of block them, because that way you
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Speaker 1: never know when they're gonna flop back and be like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, I love Teddy. True, but makes me
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Speaker 1: feel better just to cut them out of my laugh completely.
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Speaker 1: They just they just get a fake account. But Teddy,
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Speaker 1: it was interesting because talking to producers, they were all
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Speaker 1: saying the exact same things again that I had felt
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Speaker 1: about you, And there was a lot of feelings there
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Speaker 1: again in that process of saying like, oh my goodness,
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Speaker 1: this is exactly like they were saying, how how what
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Speaker 1: what an integral player you were for those seasons and
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Speaker 1: how much they loved you, And it made me feel
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Speaker 1: a getting very valid in my feelings as a as
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Speaker 1: a viewer that I think is often missed in the
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Speaker 1: grand scheme with your back, I'm okay this way, but like,
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Speaker 1: I think that the part I loved reading what Chris
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Speaker 1: Colin had to say and Alex Baskin and our our producers,
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Speaker 1: because the truth is, you know, you can love me
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Speaker 1: or you can hate me. But what I was saying
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Speaker 1: was actually what was happening. So who were the producers
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Speaker 1: most shady too? You know, like, oh yeah, I called
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Speaker 1: them out and straightened out the world. I think that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm obviously just thinking about your seasons. Producers
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Speaker 1: were very honest. No, but I think the producers were
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Speaker 1: very honest about about Gretchen. Yeah, I think the producers
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Speaker 1: were very honest about Lisa. I think that, you know,
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Speaker 1: both of them didn't participate in the book, right, Lisa
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Speaker 1: Vanderpunk did but only very quickly. She didn't, only to
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Speaker 1: promote herself. And how great is she asked? She asking
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Speaker 1: for royalties because of the name of the book. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure she is somewhere, but she actually didn't. You haven't
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Speaker 1: gotten the legal letters. I haven't gotten the legal atter.
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Speaker 1: She didn't we had to get of course, that approved.
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Speaker 1: And she didn't write that line. That was written by
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Speaker 1: Alex Baskin. Actually, yeah, lots of the taglines are and
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Speaker 1: by so Alex Baskin gave us the approval to do that.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think she has much of a legal
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Speaker 1: ground to stand under surprise to come after us. So
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Speaker 1: who refused to do it? Of all the housewives, well,
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Speaker 1: there were just a lot of women that didn't want
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Speaker 1: to participate for one way or the other. You know. Uh,
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Speaker 1: Bethany and Nini had their own experiences that they weren't
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Speaker 1: interested in rehashing. I was I'm gonna say it's about
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Speaker 1: Bethany really quick now, she tweeted, and I'm from my memory,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to something about way to put women down,
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Speaker 1: probably like this is the book about putting women down
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Speaker 1: or something. I'm like, wait, didn't you build your whole
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Speaker 1: career Real Housewives of New York putting women down? I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I certainly think a lot of people feel the same
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Speaker 1: way that you do about that. I think that Bethany
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Speaker 1: certainly had a view towards this that she's trying to
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Speaker 1: kind of move on from that. And I understand that
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Speaker 1: I would have loved to have everybody participate, and you
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Speaker 1: were both on the other side of my interviews. My
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Speaker 1: questions weren't about putting people down. I'm not interested that
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Speaker 1: there were plenty of people who chose not to put
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Speaker 1: anybody down, just as the nature of who I think.
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Speaker 1: You know, people wanting to speak their truth. And I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that you know, we all know what Bethany thinks,
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Speaker 1: we all know what Nanny things. So even though they
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Speaker 1: weren't participating, I don't feel like we lose anything. Everyone
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Speaker 1: is in the book, whether you talk to me or not.
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Speaker 1: Is there anybody that Brobo said, don't talk to this housewife,
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Speaker 1: we don't want her contracted? No, they were. They weren't
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Speaker 1: at all restrictive of anyone that I spoke to. There
14:57
Speaker 1: were certain people I was going after that they were like,
14:59
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay. You know, like if we don't
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Speaker 1: get them, it's not going to be the end of
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Speaker 1: the world. I was very upset about not getting and
15:06
Speaker 1: I've said this before, but I was very upset about
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Speaker 1: um not getting Alex McCord and Simon Van Campen from
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Speaker 1: the real Houses in New York City. Those the first
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Speaker 1: couple of seasons we were on. I just thought that
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Speaker 1: they would be so interesting. Well, alex Is like moved,
15:21
Speaker 1: They've moved to Australia, and I think they do. I
15:26
Speaker 1: think they're just like really gone from this whole world
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Speaker 1: and they don't really want to go back. But I
15:31
Speaker 1: was super interested in what they had to say. But
15:33
Speaker 1: you know, at a certain point, there were so many
15:35
Speaker 1: voices that you just have to kind of keep moving forward.
15:39
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that you talked to that you thought like,
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Speaker 1: this person is not being authentic, this person is not
15:45
Speaker 1: this person is kind of lying to me, or that
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Speaker 1: I don't trust this person. Yeah, I mean certainly I
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Speaker 1: had my own doubts. Uh. I find it very hard
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Speaker 1: when people say like I don't want to go back
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to look at all this stuff
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Speaker 1: and I want to move forward. I kind kind of
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Speaker 1: there's part of me that's like, I understand that that's
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Speaker 1: like the higher ground to play, But you're a human.
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Speaker 1: You must have real feelings about these things, and I
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Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say, so that
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Speaker 1: for me always feels a little bit phony. You know,
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Speaker 1: did you have any juicy gossip about a certain housewife
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Speaker 1: that she just wouldn't talk about it. Yeah, you, I
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Speaker 1: stepped you. There was so much. There was stuff that
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Speaker 1: you had told me off the record that I was
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Speaker 1: trying to get you to tell me on the record,
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Speaker 1: stuff that I actually was physically present for and witnessed
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Speaker 1: with my own two eyes. So I couldn't get you
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Speaker 1: to talk talking about provo con. I'm talking about provo
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Speaker 1: con and I could not get you to go on
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Speaker 1: the record about it. Now you better believe she's going
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Speaker 1: to talk about it. But Ted, you have to remember that,
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Speaker 1: and Tamer doesn't remember this. When I was doing the
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Speaker 1: interviews for the book, she had recently been fired from
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Speaker 1: the Housewives, and you were pissed. You were like, you
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Speaker 1: called me up and you were like, Bravo, I'm not
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Speaker 1: doing this book. Shit, I'm not talking to anybody. I'm
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Speaker 1: never doing anything problem again, right, And I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: what do you want to know? I felt like it
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Speaker 1: took me kind of weeks to get you to I
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Speaker 1: was going through my bitter stage. Okay, it's fine, I understand,
17:22
Speaker 1: first upset and I was crying, and then I was
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Speaker 1: I went through all the stages. Now I'm fine, of course,
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Speaker 1: but I wasn't going to get you. You know, I
17:29
Speaker 1: didn't want to push you too hard because I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to lose yet. Yeah, that was the difference there.
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Speaker 1: Next time, just get me drunk anything. Well, Brandy Glanville
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Speaker 1: got drunk throughout the entire interview. She and there was
17:42
Speaker 1: a certain point of like where I was like, Brandy,
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Speaker 1: I gotta stop talking to you because I think I
17:49
Speaker 1: think you're a little loaded and it doesn't feel ethical anymore.
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Speaker 1: I haven't read the Beverly Hills section. What did she
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Speaker 1: have to say about the Denise Richard's situation? Is it
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Speaker 1: in a book? Yeah? Can you give us like a
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Speaker 1: little tease? I mean, she again stands by her experience.
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Speaker 1: And you know, everybody felt like the whole thing was
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Speaker 1: a total set up them going into that filming where
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Speaker 1: you were packing, Teddy, you were there, of course that
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Speaker 1: they feel a lot of people feel like that Kyle
18:21
Speaker 1: and Teddy knew about this and that was all phony.
18:23
Speaker 1: But according to everybody there that that was very real,
18:28
Speaker 1: that none of you knew what was happening. If I
18:30
Speaker 1: was going to know that that was the scene that
18:33
Speaker 1: was going to change the entire season, I maybe would
18:36
Speaker 1: have put makeup on would have made an effort. Normally,
18:40
Speaker 1: packing scenes are never used, like one second of you
18:44
Speaker 1: like pushing on your suitcase, like and so they're like, Teddy,
18:47
Speaker 1: you have to go to Kyle's right now for packing.
18:50
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, we leaved a lot. I'm not doing
18:52
Speaker 1: that one. I'm tired. Anyone's pregnant. And they're like, we
18:57
Speaker 1: we didn't get you packing. I'm like, and then went
19:02
Speaker 1: over there bomb and then I knew. Once I was told,
19:05
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I wonder who's going to be
19:06
Speaker 1: the one to share it with everybody else? Yeah. The
19:11
Speaker 1: way that I heard the story essentially go down was
19:14
Speaker 1: that there were rumblings of this at Bravo Con. There
19:17
Speaker 1: were rumblings of things that had happened at Bravocon, but
19:19
Speaker 1: no one had said anything. And then a few Orange
19:23
Speaker 1: County ladies let Chris Cullen know about their experience, and
19:27
Speaker 1: then Chris Cullin flew from Bravo Con to Rome to start,
19:33
Speaker 1: you know, the pre production process. On the trip, you
19:35
Speaker 1: all flew from Bravocon back to New York and when
19:38
Speaker 1: he was sorry, back to Beverly Hills, right, and when
19:41
Speaker 1: he was in Rome, he got a phone call from
19:44
Speaker 1: Kim saying I have this thing that Brandy wants to say,
19:47
Speaker 1: and he said, oh my god, I just got hills.
19:49
Speaker 1: She said, all right, well, and it was only because
19:51
Speaker 1: that he had heard what had happened on Bravo con
19:53
Speaker 1: that it had all made sense to him and said, okay, well,
19:56
Speaker 1: there's a there's a packing scene going on tomorrow if
20:00
Speaker 1: you want to stop by. Let me ask you both
20:11
Speaker 1: because it's so interesting. You have a lot in common
20:14
Speaker 1: in your experience on Housewives because both of you were, uh,
20:18
Speaker 1: we're cast members that the producers I think, really leaned
20:21
Speaker 1: on to expose things that were happening that were that
20:24
Speaker 1: others were not courageous enough to do so. At that
20:27
Speaker 1: dinner in Rome, Teddy, I mean it's in the book.
20:30
Speaker 1: I know. We talked about it, like everybody was asked
20:33
Speaker 1: to bring that up. Everybody was getting text messages under
20:36
Speaker 1: the table. You were the one who answered it. Um.
20:39
Speaker 1: I mean, in my the way that I am, truthfully,
20:42
Speaker 1: the way I think that I had two options. I
20:46
Speaker 1: could sit there and listen to us, waste our time
20:50
Speaker 1: having the most stupid conversation that nobody was ever going
20:53
Speaker 1: to use for anything, piss off all the production team
20:57
Speaker 1: waste rome and then blindside Denise by her seeing the
21:01
Speaker 1: conversation after the fact, or I could just get to
21:04
Speaker 1: the point and handle it. And I was like, I'm
21:07
Speaker 1: the only one here that can't drink, I'm pregnant, I'm
21:10
Speaker 1: so tired, I'm jet lagged. Let's get this show on
21:13
Speaker 1: the road. Like that's really how I looked at it,
21:16
Speaker 1: and somebody had already and she was already so open.
21:20
Speaker 1: And then when people came at me and said you
21:21
Speaker 1: outed her, you did that, I was so confused because
21:24
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about. She's already been
21:26
Speaker 1: on Howard Stern sharing her experience with another woman. She's
21:30
Speaker 1: blatantly sharing these experiences. Yeah, I for a few years.
21:35
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I'm not your puppet anymore.
21:37
Speaker 1: Like I would be the one where I was at
21:39
Speaker 1: a group party and they'd be like and then the
21:43
Speaker 1: rest of the cast starts to resent you because they
21:45
Speaker 1: know what's going on. They're like, oh, there, she got
21:47
Speaker 1: us there having her us something or and you know,
21:50
Speaker 1: they don't tell you what to say, but they'll be like, hey,
21:52
Speaker 1: let's get this rolling, Like you know, why don't talk
21:55
Speaker 1: about what happened. You know, Yeah, let's talk about having
21:59
Speaker 1: a bass like and they'll they'll be like, you know,
22:02
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Okay, I will because I'm just I'm
22:05
Speaker 1: like a team player. Well, also, i'd rather say somebody's
22:08
Speaker 1: face them behind their back. Yeah, so a conversation has
22:11
Speaker 1: already had on camera. Of course I'm gonna say it
22:13
Speaker 1: to somebody's face rather than talk about it with every
22:15
Speaker 1: one of the other women, have them suffer and by
22:18
Speaker 1: me doing terrible confessionals. And also you assume you like
22:23
Speaker 1: I didn't. I assumed my last season on Housewives it
22:27
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be I wasn't gonna be so cut out
22:29
Speaker 1: of it. You barely knew I was pregnant, Like I didn't.
22:34
Speaker 1: I thought there would be other things to show of me,
22:38
Speaker 1: that it wasn't just me coming for Denise. But what
22:41
Speaker 1: ends up happening is you build those relationships. You think
22:44
Speaker 1: that you're filming so much that you think, Wow, they're
22:46
Speaker 1: going to show all these different aspects of my life,
22:48
Speaker 1: and then they just show one, and of course the
22:50
Speaker 1: audience isn't gonna relate to it. Wow, you're just a
22:53
Speaker 1: ship ster. They're not doing that. You're a mom, you're
22:55
Speaker 1: a business person. Now, that's what they do. And I
22:57
Speaker 1: had that issue for many years because I didn't have
23:00
Speaker 1: my kids in the show, so they never really saw
23:02
Speaker 1: me as a mom. They just saw like the strongest
23:05
Speaker 1: part of my personality on the show, and that was
23:07
Speaker 1: stirring the ship. And I was good at it. So
23:10
Speaker 1: you know, I got labeled the ship stir and I'm like,
23:12
Speaker 1: whatever cut me employed for twelve years. I mean, listen,
23:19
Speaker 1: I think that's why we called the book not all
23:20
Speaker 1: diamonds and or a Truthfully, we wanted it to be
23:23
Speaker 1: something that, you know, called back to the show. But
23:25
Speaker 1: it's also it's not easy to be a housewife, Like
23:27
Speaker 1: there are a lot of negative things that you have
23:30
Speaker 1: to deal with on a daily basis that I think
23:32
Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't really understand. So do
23:35
Speaker 1: you have any other books in the works? Not yet,
23:39
Speaker 1: but I mean I'm ready to continue down this path.
23:41
Speaker 1: I I said that Below Deck, another popular franchise on Bravo,
23:45
Speaker 1: is kind of perfect for this, so I would love
23:47
Speaker 1: to jump in it. But I could also write a
23:49
Speaker 1: sequel because there was so much in the book that
23:52
Speaker 1: we couldn't keep in the book because it was just
23:54
Speaker 1: too big, so I could write a whole another books.
23:57
Speaker 1: Was there anything really juicy that they cut out that
24:00
Speaker 1: You're like, why would they cut that out? Well? I
24:02
Speaker 1: was surprised, you know, as a fan that there were
24:06
Speaker 1: so many women who would film sometimes as test housewives,
24:11
Speaker 1: possible housewives who wouldn't become housewives, who were then just removed.
24:14
Speaker 1: There were two of them in Orange County. That really
24:17
Speaker 1: shocked me that You're like, she was just around season ten.
24:21
Speaker 1: There was one right Tamara um uh, Katie I believe
24:25
Speaker 1: in human Katie Danielle, Yeah, yeah, who just filmed. They
24:29
Speaker 1: filmed all season and we have a lot of those
24:32
Speaker 1: stories on the record, but there was just no room
24:34
Speaker 1: to kind of fit them in. And that really surprised
24:37
Speaker 1: me as a fan. You know, it's like to think
24:39
Speaker 1: that there was someone else in all those you know,
24:42
Speaker 1: trips and and all those moments, and it was at
24:44
Speaker 1: the same time filming confessionals and behind the scenes and
24:47
Speaker 1: with her family and you just didn't see any of
24:49
Speaker 1: that really shocks me. I'm kind of shocked that they
24:52
Speaker 1: decided to do the book. Now, I would think that
24:54
Speaker 1: this is something you would do, like when it's coming
24:57
Speaker 1: to an end, don't know if it's coming to an
25:01
Speaker 1: end or it's slow me down? What do you think?
25:04
Speaker 1: I don't think it's coming to an end, but I
25:05
Speaker 1: think there's a new chapter for sure. Starter you think
25:08
Speaker 1: these crossover shows that you know you're a part of
25:11
Speaker 1: one of them, and I think just new franchises coming.
25:14
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like turning a bit of
25:16
Speaker 1: a page. Not to be too cheesy and puny about it,
25:20
Speaker 1: but in the chapter of Housewives, I think it's like
25:23
Speaker 1: the old days of the show feeling the way it
25:26
Speaker 1: felt is kind of over, and it's it's the right time,
25:30
Speaker 1: I think, to get people excited about what might be
25:34
Speaker 1: coming next. Yeah, I mean there's new stuff. There were
25:37
Speaker 1: just two new Housewives announced in Beverly Hills. Did you
25:40
Speaker 1: see that, Teddy? I did. Do you know Diana Jenkins?
25:44
Speaker 1: I do. I met her this year, So any t
25:49
Speaker 1: that you can give us, like what would she be like?
25:51
Speaker 1: I really like her. I thought, like immediately, I think
25:55
Speaker 1: that especially coming into the setting, I I you, especially
26:02
Speaker 1: meeting new people, you don't really know how to be.
26:04
Speaker 1: She was immediately like chatty and easy going and like
26:09
Speaker 1: showed herself. I think that you know she's going to have.
26:13
Speaker 1: She's very opinionated, which is good. But she's funny and
26:16
Speaker 1: she's beautiful, and she's got a true story, and you know,
26:19
Speaker 1: so I think I think she'll be good. Teddy. Are
26:31
Speaker 1: you filming this season? I am not, but I did
26:37
Speaker 1: make a true I did something for extra and while
26:41
Speaker 1: I was doing that, I may or may not be right.
26:46
Speaker 1: I have to say. It's so interesting because you both
26:49
Speaker 1: joined your respective franchises at very different times in the
26:53
Speaker 1: history of them. Timber was just in the third season
26:55
Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, she's a very revolutionary housewife, Teddy,
26:59
Speaker 1: because she is the first housewife ever to express opinion
27:02
Speaker 1: about another housewife. Up until that point, for two years,
27:06
Speaker 1: nobody had said anything negative about the other. But she
27:09
Speaker 1: was the first. Really. It was like I swear, they
27:13
Speaker 1: had just been filming them almost like separately and then
27:16
Speaker 1: occasional group scene, but it wasn't even like what it
27:19
Speaker 1: is now, where it's group scenes and parties and all
27:21
Speaker 1: that stuff. Um. But Camera was the first one who
27:24
Speaker 1: joined and was like, you know, Gina ki ug I
27:27
Speaker 1: could I could sell her under the table or whatever. Um.
27:31
Speaker 1: And that changed the direction of the show. Teddy, when
27:35
Speaker 1: you came into the franchise, Like now this show is
27:38
Speaker 1: like a well oiled machine, and I think it's much
27:40
Speaker 1: harder to kind of come in around the time when
27:43
Speaker 1: you didn't now, uh, to get your footing with it,
27:46
Speaker 1: and then what happens is it takes years for you
27:48
Speaker 1: to actually build these real friendships like you have with everybody,
27:52
Speaker 1: and then now you're on the show. Yeah. I think
27:54
Speaker 1: what people don't remember about my first season. It's like
27:58
Speaker 1: I came in what was like already five years old, uh,
28:02
Speaker 1: didn't know any of them, and I'm sitting in Vegas
28:05
Speaker 1: my first first time meeting everybody, and like they are
28:10
Speaker 1: they are not having it, and I was like, this
28:13
Speaker 1: is hard, you know, like this is so much harder
28:16
Speaker 1: than I expect. I'm in my like, you know, pretty much,
28:19
Speaker 1: I look like I'm a Tanya Harding's outfit, like my
28:23
Speaker 1: still outfit, and they're all dressed there. I didn't get.
28:28
Speaker 1: I glad myself. It's like a whole situation like I
28:31
Speaker 1: just didn't know. You don't know until you know, and
28:35
Speaker 1: then once you do know, you're like, wow, I really
28:37
Speaker 1: I wish I never knew because this makes it so
28:39
Speaker 1: much easier before. But I think you know, ultimately the
28:42
Speaker 1: fact that I can have good friends with some of
28:43
Speaker 1: the women shows that you can live at peace with
28:48
Speaker 1: that you can go you know what. I may have
28:49
Speaker 1: caused a lot of ship on the show. I may
28:51
Speaker 1: have started a lot of drama, but ultimately the people
28:55
Speaker 1: that I created relationships with their real and that shows
28:58
Speaker 1: you know, long term, yeah, not so much. On my franchise,
29:02
Speaker 1: we're gone nually, they don't talk to you anymore. I
29:05
Speaker 1: know your your friend Trees became like Survivor. Uh we
29:09
Speaker 1: talked about that before, Like on the podcast. It's like,
29:13
Speaker 1: we're definitely like Survivor. Like people just want to bring
29:17
Speaker 1: you down and take a business down and your family down.
29:20
Speaker 1: And we're Beverly Hills like everybody's you know, they have conflict,
29:24
Speaker 1: but they stand together like they're they're like true friends.
29:29
Speaker 1: And again, it takes years to do that. In New Jersey,
29:32
Speaker 1: Jackie Goldscheiner and Jennifer Aiden came in four seasons ago
29:36
Speaker 1: now and they've built real friendships with these women and
29:40
Speaker 1: now it's like now it's at a point where there's
29:42
Speaker 1: long term. You know, they've known each other for four
29:44
Speaker 1: or five years. They really have deep roots in some
29:48
Speaker 1: of their arguments and they it is richer. So yes, absolutely,
29:52
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with Orange County right now,
29:56
Speaker 1: there's no real true friends since there's no I don't know, yeah,
30:00
Speaker 1: well I do think it's the problem with the franchises
30:02
Speaker 1: that they go down the years. It's difficult to maintain
30:06
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, which is why the criticism towards
30:09
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills always. I find very funny that people are like,
30:13
Speaker 1: well there's a click or you know, Lisa of course
30:17
Speaker 1: got tons of criticism and about standing by Erica, and
30:20
Speaker 1: it's like, you want these people, these are real friendships,
30:23
Speaker 1: Like it's so much more interesting if if they were
30:27
Speaker 1: just co stars, none of it would matter. Well yeah,
30:30
Speaker 1: I mean when even when it came to Lisa Wrenna
30:32
Speaker 1: and everybody would say, well why are you standing? You know,
30:34
Speaker 1: you didn't stand by Denise or you didn't stand by
30:36
Speaker 1: so and so, but you're standing by Erica. I just
30:39
Speaker 1: wanted to be like, well, yeah, she's my best friend.
30:41
Speaker 1: You know, she's so I'm closest to what do you
30:43
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna do? That's reality? Like, well, then there's
30:47
Speaker 1: Lisa in Salt Lake City who's not was not standing
30:50
Speaker 1: by jen Shaw, who she was friends with, and was
30:52
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't think I want anything to
30:55
Speaker 1: do with us, But then when she saw her in person,
30:58
Speaker 1: it was she didn't really say that, but her first
31:00
Speaker 1: instinct was like, I don't want to get involved, and
31:03
Speaker 1: that was her friend. So it's like, well, I would
31:07
Speaker 1: probably if I s friend to somebody, be there for
31:09
Speaker 1: them myself, right. I think you have to be there
31:13
Speaker 1: for somebody until they're guilty they're guilty, or even figuring
31:19
Speaker 1: out those steps like being a person that they can
31:21
Speaker 1: actually communicate with during their hard times because it's not
31:24
Speaker 1: always going to be good. Yeah, And again, it's so
31:26
Speaker 1: black and white in everybody's eyes when they're at home.
31:29
Speaker 1: But it's like if you've been criticizing somebody for five years,
31:32
Speaker 1: six years, however, in the years now for repeating the
31:34
Speaker 1: same behavior, and then that person changes and literally does
31:38
Speaker 1: what you've been asking them to do, which is like
31:40
Speaker 1: grow and change, and then you're still criticizing them for
31:43
Speaker 1: that being the way they were. Ye, there's no winning
31:48
Speaker 1: for anybody. Do you have a favorite franchise? I love
31:52
Speaker 1: them all, really, Potomac has become one that I that
31:56
Speaker 1: I kind of really enjoy it because I've never watched
31:59
Speaker 1: not one Soda Potomac. You have to. It's crazy, it's
32:02
Speaker 1: so good. I hear so many great things. I'm don't
32:04
Speaker 1: well now that I have profit again, yes, I'm gonna
32:07
Speaker 1: have to watch and timer they've had four cast members
32:11
Speaker 1: now that they just wrapped season six, and they've had
32:13
Speaker 1: four O g s who have remained on the show
32:16
Speaker 1: in all six seasons, which is kind of a bit
32:18
Speaker 1: of a record. So it's like, it's interesting to see
32:21
Speaker 1: that core for still remain. Um, it's just very good.
32:25
Speaker 1: It's I enjoyed that. I also, I'm a New Yorker.
32:28
Speaker 1: I love New York. I love New Jersey because of
32:31
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm Italian too, So I don't know,
32:33
Speaker 1: it's very hard to pick a favorite. But so I
32:36
Speaker 1: know we're running out of time, but I do a
32:39
Speaker 1: little thing on my Instagram where I asked them to
32:42
Speaker 1: ask questions for whoever is coming on and a common
32:45
Speaker 1: question that I got which I really can't remember. So
32:48
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to ask you. While you were doing
32:50
Speaker 1: the interviews for this book, did you ever say, well
32:55
Speaker 1: so and so said blah blah blah. Did you use
32:58
Speaker 1: any sort of to get more ormation or how did
33:01
Speaker 1: you do it? No, So I tried to interview everybody
33:04
Speaker 1: separately in your own little bubble because I didn't want
33:08
Speaker 1: just like again, it's integrity is really important to me.
33:11
Speaker 1: I didn't want to ever take anything you had said
33:13
Speaker 1: an interview and bring it to someone else either, right.
33:16
Speaker 1: I wanted everybody to be individual. So I would say
33:20
Speaker 1: things sometimes like well, oftentimes like fans think this, or
33:26
Speaker 1: people think this, and maybe that was repeating something another
33:29
Speaker 1: woman had said, but I never said like well, I
33:32
Speaker 1: talked to Renna and she told me this, and it's
33:35
Speaker 1: just it didn't trying not to be outs in that way.
33:41
Speaker 1: So I didn't do it that way. So who is
33:43
Speaker 1: your favorite interview? I mean Carol Razwell and I to
33:53
Speaker 1: Carol Razwel and I talked for twelve hours straight straight,
33:58
Speaker 1: So that for me is it's always going to be
34:01
Speaker 1: my favorite. She is a journalist and as well and
34:04
Speaker 1: and has a lot of twelve hours experience. Yeah, she
34:07
Speaker 1: just kind of had like a very interesting zoom out perspective.
34:10
Speaker 1: She's actually the one who told me that a lot
34:13
Speaker 1: of the arguments that you see on the show have
34:16
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what they're arguing about and more
34:18
Speaker 1: to do with the show in and of itself. That
34:21
Speaker 1: that like framing of the show often encourages disagreement that
34:27
Speaker 1: people can't actually say, which I thought was so interesting
34:30
Speaker 1: and it's certain It's a slight red track red flag
34:33
Speaker 1: to me that somebody could talk about themselves for twelve hours.
34:37
Speaker 1: But she was journalist as well. Yeah, yeah, it was
34:41
Speaker 1: more we were talking about the show and less about her,
34:44
Speaker 1: but she was really interesting. I don't know that all
34:46
Speaker 1: the interviews were super good, I can tell you. I mean,
34:49
Speaker 1: I have still questions that I wish I would have
34:52
Speaker 1: asked both of you. Okay, you have you have you
34:54
Speaker 1: can ask? Is is each one question before we go?
34:57
Speaker 1: It us your juiciest one star with Tam Okay, Uh gosh,
35:02
Speaker 1: Tamera Okay. So, salary is always such an interesting thing,
35:06
Speaker 1: and everybody talked very openly about how much they make,
35:09
Speaker 1: how much they don't make, but there's always rumors about
35:12
Speaker 1: how much people make. And knowing what your structure is,
35:15
Speaker 1: knowing how much you made and you don't have to
35:17
Speaker 1: give the number, what do you think about when you hear,
35:20
Speaker 1: you know, these rumors about how much people make on
35:23
Speaker 1: the Housewives shows. Do you buy into anything? No, I don't.
35:26
Speaker 1: I mean certain times, I remember there's a time where
35:28
Speaker 1: Vicky's like, can you believe so and so st arnin
35:31
Speaker 1: he's making two million dollars a year and I'm like, yeah,
35:35
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. And of course she
35:37
Speaker 1: would send it right to Alex or Doug or somebody
35:39
Speaker 1: out production and or Andy and like, why is she
35:42
Speaker 1: making this much? I'm the o G. But I don't
35:44
Speaker 1: really buy too much into it, Like forever they say
35:48
Speaker 1: I make make six hundred dollars a year because when
35:51
Speaker 1: I was going through a divorce twelve years ago, it
35:54
Speaker 1: was in the court records, right. But we get raisons
35:57
Speaker 1: every single year, so so yeah, and Robert does not
36:02
Speaker 1: like us to talk about our contract or money or
36:05
Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah, But I mean you have to
36:07
Speaker 1: laugh about the fact that when you see a report
36:09
Speaker 1: and it's like Kathy Hilton is holding out for two
36:12
Speaker 1: million dollars and now they've got her and she's making
36:14
Speaker 1: two million. As a friend of that, you you have
36:16
Speaker 1: to be sitting on the other end of this room.
36:19
Speaker 1: I know that's not true. I've worked with them for
36:22
Speaker 1: twelve years. A true who I don't care who you are.
36:25
Speaker 1: Money wise, I can't tell you this. You make more.
36:28
Speaker 1: You spend more of your first year on housewives than
36:31
Speaker 1: you make. Yeah, and everybody told me the same thing,
36:36
Speaker 1: especially if you were me, and especially it's funny with
36:41
Speaker 1: glam squads and back then. To be honest, I wish
36:46
Speaker 1: we never had glam squads because then every day because
36:50
Speaker 1: like once it's like Beverly Hill started doing that and
36:53
Speaker 1: it just became a constant. Then it's like, it's not
36:56
Speaker 1: that you're trying to metamorphos yourself into other people, but
37:01
Speaker 1: if you show up and you have not been glammed,
37:03
Speaker 1: and everybody else's glad and in a costume, and you
37:06
Speaker 1: show up and you're like, and you're messy, bun you
37:10
Speaker 1: you're a spore thumb in the picture. Okay, you know
37:14
Speaker 1: that more than anyone. Somebody was telling me the other day,
37:16
Speaker 1: I wish they never did glam squads. Can't they have
37:19
Speaker 1: one housewife strong enough to just show up as herself?
37:22
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, they did. Her name is
37:23
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencapin. Everyone ragged on her at all. They're like,
37:28
Speaker 1: get a silence. No one's ever happy. So I watched
37:35
Speaker 1: Miami and everybody's going to a pool party and everybody's
37:38
Speaker 1: getting their glam except for Gertie, And I mean she's
37:41
Speaker 1: so beautiful anyway. So I'm like, a movie doesn't have
37:45
Speaker 1: glamp Squad yet when it comes in the package. Um okay, So, Teddy,
37:50
Speaker 1: you and I interviewed before while you were still a housewife,
37:54
Speaker 1: before you learned of your exit, and I'm curious whether
38:01
Speaker 1: you thought that was coming at all. Were you at
38:03
Speaker 1: all surprised by it? I was completely surprised, to be honest,
38:07
Speaker 1: because I had such a great relationship with production and
38:14
Speaker 1: I had already had my meeting to come back, you know,
38:16
Speaker 1: like all of these things, Like we had already talked
38:18
Speaker 1: about what was going on in my life for the night,
38:20
Speaker 1: Like I absolutely had no idea. I do know that
38:24
Speaker 1: there was a new showrunner, so there was changes that
38:29
Speaker 1: were being made, and that was kind of all I knew.
38:32
Speaker 1: And then yeah, no, I mean when I when my friend,
38:36
Speaker 1: when of my best he texted me and he's like, hey,
38:37
Speaker 1: it's in daily mail that you got fired, I was like, well,
38:42
Speaker 1: you found out on daily Mail. Yeah, So I mean
38:46
Speaker 1: I think, do you did they telling you the producers
38:50
Speaker 1: are Invidio, Bravo. What goes into deciding who's going to
38:54
Speaker 1: be fired? Yeah, I mean my understanding is that production
38:59
Speaker 1: often you know, advocates for who they want, but the
39:02
Speaker 1: decision is always made by Bravo. Um and oftentimes in
39:06
Speaker 1: both of your cases, in fact, producers very much disagree
39:10
Speaker 1: with Bravo and those things and will fight back and say,
39:14
Speaker 1: this is how necessary this person is to the show.
39:16
Speaker 1: But Bravo makes the choices ultimately, and it seems to
39:20
Speaker 1: be from from what they told me and uh and
39:23
Speaker 1: we had that. I think in the book it seems
39:25
Speaker 1: to be, you know, decisions that are made by like
39:28
Speaker 1: three people at Bravo, and I think it's very subjective.
39:32
Speaker 1: I understanding they do focus scripts to right so they
39:35
Speaker 1: get feedback. I don't know how much of that they
39:37
Speaker 1: take to heart, but yeah, I mean, look, data is data,
39:40
Speaker 1: is what my understanding is, Like, you can interpret data
39:43
Speaker 1: any way that you want to interpret data. So if
39:45
Speaker 1: you're trying to look at something to you know, stand
39:49
Speaker 1: by your decision, you're going to do that. But I
39:51
Speaker 1: I talk to people throughout this and I would ask
39:54
Speaker 1: about bringing people back or why did you fire this person?
39:57
Speaker 1: And ultimately what I learned is at the it's very
40:01
Speaker 1: subjective because they set rules. They'll say about one housewife, well,
40:05
Speaker 1: she doesn't really have much more of a storyline, what
40:07
Speaker 1: else is there to explore? And then I'm like, but
40:09
Speaker 1: how about these five housewives who you've kept around, who
40:13
Speaker 1: don't really have much of at That doesn't make any
40:15
Speaker 1: sense to me. There's so many O g s on
40:17
Speaker 1: the show that you know, they're just living their life,
40:20
Speaker 1: and that's what I thought the show was about. But
40:22
Speaker 1: if you're not, like, you know, getting divorced or robbing
40:26
Speaker 1: a bank or you know whatever, you're not interested anymore. Again,
40:31
Speaker 1: it's these are the sorts of things I'm saying. It's like,
40:34
Speaker 1: you can't actually make a rule book towards it because
40:37
Speaker 1: it is all totally subjective based on these three people.
40:41
Speaker 1: From what I understand in their decision, I hear the
40:44
Speaker 1: sirens in the background, and I missed New York. I'm
40:46
Speaker 1: miss New York too. I can say one thing that
40:49
Speaker 1: I did make a mistake on so right at the
40:52
Speaker 1: end of my season, my last season, I was mad
40:56
Speaker 1: because I was like, listen, you guys are using me
40:59
Speaker 1: in negative like only and not showing any other part
41:01
Speaker 1: of my life. I texted. The quote I text was,
41:04
Speaker 1: I've trended on Twitter every single week from hate, and
41:09
Speaker 1: you guys are giving me anything else but the negative.
41:13
Speaker 1: Please like, I'm doing the work, I'm showing up. I
41:17
Speaker 1: need you to show my life in some other capacity.
41:21
Speaker 1: And ultimately the goodbye happened two weeks later. So well,
41:26
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I was threatening not to go
41:28
Speaker 1: to the reunion because I was so mad at how
41:31
Speaker 1: it's kind of the same thing every way that they
41:33
Speaker 1: could make me look bad. They made me look bad
41:35
Speaker 1: my last season, and I was involved in this big
41:40
Speaker 1: lawsuit and people were ringing it up. There's just a
41:42
Speaker 1: lot going on. They show any my business and whatever.
41:45
Speaker 1: And then so I'm like, I'm not going to the reunion.
41:47
Speaker 1: There's no reason I'm quitting. I'm quitting. I was so dramatic, right,
41:51
Speaker 1: and the day before the reunion, I was telling Alex,
41:54
Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna go and I'm gonna say that,
41:56
Speaker 1: you know, I want to be the first housewife to resign.
41:59
Speaker 1: I the reunion, this is my last season. It was
42:01
Speaker 1: great piece out right. He's like, you're emotional. Don't do that, Please,
42:06
Speaker 1: don't do that. You never know what you're gonna be
42:07
Speaker 1: when they need to pick up letters come and then yeah,
42:10
Speaker 1: no pick up letter came. Not to burst your bubble,
42:14
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't have been the first housewife to do it.
42:16
Speaker 1: Adrian did it by not showing up Brill union. She
42:19
Speaker 1: was the first one because Andy made the rule of
42:22
Speaker 1: if you don't show up to the reunion, then you
42:24
Speaker 1: don't get to be a housewife. Oh and Lisa did
42:27
Speaker 1: it too, right, right, but she did it after and
42:29
Speaker 1: she had already let the press know before she didn't show. Well,
42:32
Speaker 1: I showed up. I did my job. Yeah, no one's ever,
42:35
Speaker 1: No one's ever showed up and quit. That's the thing, Teddy,
42:38
Speaker 1: and I was encouraging you to do that, Teddy to time.
42:42
Speaker 1: I remember I was like, you should just go and
42:44
Speaker 1: quit it. It was I was so emotional. I had
42:48
Speaker 1: a hard season. I had a lawsuit. I had just
42:51
Speaker 1: found out days before the reunion that my ex husband
42:54
Speaker 1: father and my kids had stage three throat cancer. I
42:58
Speaker 1: was just like, how am I going to go back
43:00
Speaker 1: to the show. My kids need me at home full time,
43:02
Speaker 1: which it ultimately worked out for the best because they did.
43:06
Speaker 1: I had Sophia full time and it would been just
43:09
Speaker 1: too hard. I had to be there for her. Do
43:11
Speaker 1: you think it worked out for the best for you
43:13
Speaker 1: to Teddy? I think ultimately there are parts that I
43:18
Speaker 1: think you go through a grieving process. I think there's
43:20
Speaker 1: parts that are really challenging. You get used to it.
43:22
Speaker 1: It's a new life for you. It opens more doors.
43:24
Speaker 1: There are things that happen, and then once you get
43:26
Speaker 1: through that, you let you gotta let yourself be sad
43:28
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then all of a sudden, now
43:30
Speaker 1: the things that I've been able to do since and
43:32
Speaker 1: the life that I've been able to live since, I'm
43:34
Speaker 1: really grateful for. And it's not I mean, I'm making
43:37
Speaker 1: way more money than I ever made on the show,
43:39
Speaker 1: so that's what it is. But I mean I missed
43:42
Speaker 1: the fun times, I missed the travel. But you know, yeah,
43:45
Speaker 1: I mean it's quite an experience, good and bad, and
43:49
Speaker 1: it's hard to go back to your old life. Day.
43:52
Speaker 1: Will you come back again for us? Literally any time now.
43:57
Speaker 1: I've loved to hear all your opinions on Yeah, where
44:03
Speaker 1: do people find you? I'm on both Instagram and Twitter
44:07
Speaker 1: at nine days and I any d a d E
44:10
Speaker 1: s well now that you are a public person. I
44:13
Speaker 1: think you need to change your handles, Dave Quinn. Let's see,
44:17
Speaker 1: I would love to number one author, number one best
44:20
Speaker 1: selling author of Not All Diamonds and Rose. You guys
44:24
Speaker 1: have to get it so any place you want to keep,
44:27
Speaker 1: any place you want to send people to buy the book,
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Speaker 1: anywhere it's sold. Great. Thank you so much, big, thank
44:35
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you, Dave, Love you,