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Credlin | 13 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Credlin, live from News 24.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight on Credlin. More tonight on that extraordinary snub
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Speaker 2: I brought to you yesterday. The family of a brave
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Speaker 2: veteran killed fighting for Australia... In Afghanistan, pressure now mounting
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Speaker 2: on the Veterans Minister, Matt Keogh, who still refuses to
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Speaker 2: take any responsibility. Last swift denials from the Islamic Centre
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne with reported links to the fly-to-buy co-pilot, the
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Speaker 2: alleged terrorist. But plenty more questions too about our counter-terrorism
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Speaker 2: safeguards and is enough being done to prevent the pathway
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Speaker 2: to radicalisation? Plenty of outrage too over plans to live
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Speaker 2: stream the execution of a guilty Islamist mass shooter in
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Speaker 2: the US. But why not the same level of outrage
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Speaker 2: for innocent Iranians executed every single week under that brutal regime.
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Speaker 2: More on that later. And the Frydenberg factor, plenty of
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Speaker 2: opinions of the former Treasurer stepping back into the public spotlight,
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce among them.
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Speaker 3: Josh, we've all played the game, mate. Like, we know
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Speaker 3: what you're up to. You want to be the leader
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Speaker 3: of the coalition. Come back and you're setting the groundwork
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Speaker 3: up now. Let's cut the BS, mate. We can all
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Speaker 3: see through this.
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Speaker 2: We'll come back to that in a moment with Andrew Clennell.
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Speaker 2: But first, last night I brought you that interview with
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Speaker 2: David and Mary McCarthy, the parents of signaler Sean McCarthy,
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Speaker 2: killed in action in Afghanistan by a roadside bomb in 2008.
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Speaker 2: To say you were shocked and angry after learning that
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Speaker 2: David and Mary were not invited to Sunday's national service
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Speaker 2: to commemorate the 25th anniversary of Australia's commitment to the war, well,
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Speaker 2: that would be an understatement. But Australians would be shocked
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Speaker 2: tonight to hear, David, that you were not even invited
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Speaker 2: to yesterday's commemorative events, were you?
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Speaker 4: That's true, Peter. This is the third event we've had
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Speaker 4: with the authorities where lack of compassion, lack of empathy,
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Speaker 4: and there appears to be no consequence for the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: This email from a credulous viewer, John, was indicative of
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Speaker 2: so many. It reads, Peter, I'm an 82-year-old, tough as nails,
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Speaker 2: genuine Australian male. However, upon viewing your interview regarding the
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Speaker 2: disgusting neglect of the McCarthy's, I find myself in tears.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing the matter to attention. But that
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Speaker 2: wasn't the end of it. Justifiable outrage this morning on
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Speaker 2: Talkback Radio across the country is Here's Mark Levy on
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Speaker 2: Sydney's Radio 2GB.
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Speaker 1: How the hell does this happen? It's unacceptable. It is unforgivable.
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Speaker 1: How many more strikes do you need before you're out
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Speaker 1: of the game? Matt Keogh should walk into the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister's office today and tender his resignation. This isn't just
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Speaker 1: an administrative oversight. It's an insult to two parents who
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Speaker 1: gave up their son for this country and then dedicated
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Speaker 1: their lives to honouring every other family who lost a child.
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Speaker 1: A letter sent to a dead soldier. while his grieving
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Speaker 1: parents are left in the cold, tells you everything you
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Speaker 1: need to know about the rot inside the Department of
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Speaker 1: Veterans Affairs under this insipid politician, Matt Keogh. Anthony Albanese
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Speaker 1: can't ignore this any longer. If Matt Keogh won't do
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Speaker 1: the honourable thing and resign today, the Prime Minister needs
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Speaker 1: to sow some backbone and sack him.
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Speaker 2: Leave it in my city. But it did not stop there. Today,
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Speaker 2: during question time, the Veterans Minister was asked to explain
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Speaker 2: how he got it so wrong yet again.
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Speaker 5: My question is to the Minister for Veterans Affairs and
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Speaker 5: Defence Personnel. Brave soldier Sean McCarthy was killed by a
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Speaker 5: roadside bomb in Uruzgan province in July 2008. Following his death,
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Speaker 5: signal of McCarthy's parents, David and Mary, attended ramp ceremonies
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Speaker 5: at Aldermen Head Air Base, so fallen Australians would not
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Speaker 5: begin their journey home without family present. Inexplicably, David and
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Speaker 5: Mary were not invited to Sunday's Afghanistan commemoration at the
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Speaker 5: Australian War Memorial, but Sean was. 18 years after his
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Speaker 5: tragic death. How did the Minister get this so horribly wrong?
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Speaker 2: And this was his response.
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Speaker 6: Communication was done through the War Memorial to all next
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Speaker 6: of kin to reach out to them to invite them
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Speaker 6: to participate in those commemorations. As part of that what
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Speaker 6: transpired is that some of those contact details were clearly
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Speaker 6: out of date and there was two attempts at trying
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Speaker 6: to contact Mr and Mrs McCarthy. because of that. I
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Speaker 6: have spoken to David and Mary to pass on my
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Speaker 6: apologies that there was clearly a deficiency in contact details
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Speaker 6: and that they weren't reached out to. I've made sure
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Speaker 6: we now have their contact details. I've also asked that
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Speaker 6: an audit be performed by the War Memorial to make
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Speaker 6: sure that it has up-to-date next-of-kin details where it can
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Speaker 6: acquire those and to make sure we do that so
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Speaker 6: that we don't have anything like this happen again with
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Speaker 6: future commemorative services because it's not acceptable.
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Speaker 2: Now, note there Matt Keogh's attempt to make this shocking
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Speaker 2: omission the War Memorial's fault. Well, I don't cop that.
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Speaker 2: I know how it works. And while the War Memorial
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Speaker 2: might have issued the invitations, trust me, the list of
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Speaker 2: names of veterans and next of kin would have been
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Speaker 2: provided to them by the Department of Veterans Affairs. That's
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Speaker 2: how it works. After all, what reason would the War
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Speaker 2: Memorial have to keep updated a whole database of military
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Speaker 2: contact details, tens of thousands, when it's the job of
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Speaker 2: the DBA to do that, given it's supposed to be
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Speaker 2: the home department for our veterans? Similarly, the War Memorial
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Speaker 2: would have gone to the Department of Defence for all
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Speaker 2: the updated contact details for senior military brass that were
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Speaker 2: all there on Sunday. Also, it would have gone to
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Speaker 2: the ceremonial branch. It's known as SERHOS. inside the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's own Department of PM & C for the details
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Speaker 2: of all the VIPs and other politicians invited on Sunday
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Speaker 2: as well. It would have gone to the Department of
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Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs for ambassadors and other foreign dignitaries. You get it?
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Speaker 2: They go to the relevant departments. Like the PM, this
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Speaker 2: is yet another Labor Minister that would rather blame someone
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Speaker 2: else then take responsibility. The Libs might have had their
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison moment, but this is a whole bloody frontbench
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Speaker 2: who doesn't hold a hose. Tomorrow I want to see
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Speaker 2: Minister Matt Keogh take responsibility for this stuff up by
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Speaker 2: his own department rather than shift blame to the war memorial.
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Speaker 2: But also I want this comment from David McCarthy last
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Speaker 2: night pursued because it is telling.
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Speaker 4: We had a phone call from the Chief of Army
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Speaker 4: on Saturday morning who had read the article and the
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Speaker 4: paper and was absolutely shocked. She rung us apologising for
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Speaker 4: the whole thing and it wasn't her responsibility but she
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Speaker 4: was taking ownership of it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well if the Chief of Army contacted the McCarthy's
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Speaker 2: on Saturday to apologise for the oversight, I have no
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Speaker 2: doubt she got off the phone and made the government
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Speaker 2: aware of the problem. And so who did she contact?
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Speaker 2: Her minister, Richard Miles, or his office? The veterans minister,
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Speaker 2: Matt Keogh, or his office? Maybe she even called the
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Speaker 2: prime minister's office direct. And if any of them were contacted,
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Speaker 2: where was their intervention on Saturday to get the McCarthy's
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Speaker 2: to the service the next day that honoured their dead
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Speaker 2: son and 40 others? Now, I don't believe for one
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Speaker 2: minute the chief of army called the McCarthy's apologised for
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Speaker 2: the pain and hurt caused by this shocking oversight and
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Speaker 2: then did nothing. I don't believe that. And in any event,
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Speaker 2: as the Chief of Army said to the McCarthy's, she
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Speaker 2: had learnt about this snub from a newspaper report that morning.
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Speaker 2: So what, political staff in the Miles office or the
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Speaker 2: Keogh office or the PM's office, they no longer read
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Speaker 2: the papers on the weekend? Give me a break. I
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Speaker 2: know they all operate a weekend media roster. So cut
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Speaker 2: the excuses, a lot of you. Let's see what Michael
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Speaker 2: McCormack or Phil Thompson can find out tomorrow. But as
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Speaker 2: we know, Labor can't lie straight in bed. And when
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Speaker 2: it comes to our veterans, they treat them all with contempt.
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Speaker 2: And there's no greater contempt than sending a letter to
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Speaker 2: a veteran, inviting him to a commemorative service about a
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Speaker 2: battle in which he was killed 18 years earlier.
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Speaker 4: We're advised that, yes, they had sent a letter. The
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Speaker 4: idiots had sent it to Sean. The three families who
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Speaker 4: appeared in the bravery and betrayal doco were the three
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Speaker 4: that didn't get an invite. And we didn't get an
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Speaker 4: invite to the opening of the Anzac, of the Afghanistan
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Speaker 4: opening at the war memorial a few months prior. We
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Speaker 4: were never invited to that one as well.
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Speaker 2: Hang your head in shame, Labor. All right, let's get
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Speaker 2: the headlines now out of Canberra with our political reporter,
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Speaker 2: Cam Redden.
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Speaker 7: News24 understands it is the government's preference for the ATO
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Speaker 7: to continue accepting credit card payments. The difficulty arises in
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Speaker 7: dealing with third parties to ensure it can happen. Multiple
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Speaker 7: sources familiar with negotiations have told News24 the talks are
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Speaker 7: currently centred around what's known as scheme fees, that is
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Speaker 7: fees charged by Visa and Mastercard to cover the costs
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Speaker 7: of accepting and processing card payments. Those fees make up
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Speaker 7: a portion of the $ 200 million the ATO says it
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Speaker 7: would cost to keep accepting credit cards. Lower fees would
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Speaker 7: reduce that figure, not all the way down to zero,
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Speaker 7: but low enough to a point the government feels it
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Speaker 7: could justify footing the bill.
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Speaker 6: I'm very hopeful that we will continue to see progress
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Speaker 6: in those discussions.
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Speaker 7: Elsewhere, negotiations between Labor and the Coalition are progressing on
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Speaker 7: how to regulate artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 8: This is an important issue. It brings the Parliament together.
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Speaker 8: It certainly should not be an area of partisanship. It
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Speaker 8: needs to be something in which we all engage as
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Speaker 8: much as possible.
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we have to get
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Speaker 2: this right. We don't have much time.
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Speaker 7: Cameron Redden, News24, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump into all of that out of
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Speaker 2: Canberra today with our News24 political editor, Andrew Clennell. Well, righto, Andrew,
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Speaker 2: we're going to start at the top with the elephant
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Speaker 2: in the room. This is Josh Frydenberg and this PR
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Speaker 2: extravaganza that's been going on for the last few days.
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Speaker 2: At the book launch today in Sydney, even John Howard
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Speaker 2: made mention of his love of PR.
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Speaker 9: Can I say, Josh, somebody said to me the other day,
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Speaker 9: that's a very modest, self-effacing title. Josh Frydenberg, it must
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Speaker 9: be the only modest, self-effacing thing he's ever said.
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Speaker 2: LAUGHTER I've got to laugh there with John Howard because
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Speaker 2: I was a university contemporary at different law schools, but
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Speaker 2: we were there at the same time. Oh, were you?
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Speaker 2: With Josh Frydenberg, yes. I've known him for about 40 years.
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Speaker 2: That's ageing me, but that's about it. So do you
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Speaker 2: think Mr Howard got that right?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, it all looks a bit self-indulgent to me
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Speaker 10: and not very helpful to the Liberal Party. I mean,
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Speaker 10: if you're going to do it, just say you're running.
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Speaker 10: But just sort of sniff the wind, I'll poll it
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Speaker 10: next year and see if I'm running. Come on. So
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Speaker 10: if he says he's not running, by the way, he
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Speaker 10: doesn't sell any books. I might point that out. But
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Speaker 10: he says he's... He backed every leader, right? And, you know,
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Speaker 10: he's not really backing the current one. He says they
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Speaker 10: need a new leader. So is that your understanding, that
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Speaker 10: he backed Abbott and Turnbull and Morrison all the way through?
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about the Morrison and the Turnbull,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think he backed Tony Abbott at all.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's interesting because that's his consistent line, has been
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Speaker 10: privately and publicly for years.
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Speaker 2: Well, now publicly, but you always trust the bloke who
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Speaker 2: backs the leader who lost the day after. Everyone will
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Speaker 2: tell you what you want to hear going into the ballot,
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Speaker 2: but where was Josh coming out of the ballot when
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Speaker 2: Mark Turnbull was the leader and he was promoted into
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Speaker 2: the Cabinet? Where was him on the record then saying
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Speaker 2: that he backed Tony Abbott? I don't recall that at all.
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Speaker 2: And I'll also add this to the concern I have
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Speaker 2: is about a year or so before the spill. And
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Speaker 2: he was Tony Abbott's parliamentary secretary, if you remember, the
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Speaker 2: parliamentary secretary of the prime minister. I caught up with
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Speaker 2: him privately in his office in Melbourne. I went down
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Speaker 2: to Melbourne to have a bit of a chit chat
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Speaker 2: and say, how are we going? Where can we improve? Whatever.
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Speaker 2: And He demanded that I take the battery out of
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Speaker 2: my phone. I kid you not. And when I said,
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Speaker 2: what the heck is that all about? He then said, well,
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Speaker 2: turn it off, please. And then he got his staffer
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Speaker 2: to come into the room and take my phone out. Now,
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Speaker 2: if he can't have a conversation as the PM's pal
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Speaker 2: said to the PM's chief of staff and accept that
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Speaker 2: we were both on the same side, why did he
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Speaker 2: have to get my phone out of the room? Was
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Speaker 2: he worried I would tape it and hold him to
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Speaker 2: account over what he said in defence of Tony Abbott?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 10: Do you think he'd be bugged? You'd have more of
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Speaker 10: an idea as a PM's Chief of Staff as to
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Speaker 10: whether he might be bugged than he would.
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Speaker 2: No, I think he was worried that if he expressed
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Speaker 2: loyalty for Tony Abbott that someone else, maybe another aspirant,
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Speaker 2: might have heard of that and questioned his pledges to them.
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Speaker 2: That's all I'll say on that one. But, you know,
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Speaker 2: will he come back? I don't think we're going to
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Speaker 2: hear whether he's going to run until certainly after the
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Speaker 2: state election in November. I think it would be a
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Speaker 2: huge distraction to Jess Wilson. She doesn't need that. She's
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Speaker 2: in the fight of her life down here in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I think if Monique Ryan was to leave the seat,
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Speaker 2: he'd absolutely have a crack. But while she is there,
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Speaker 2: he's going to want definitive polling to run in Kooyong,
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Speaker 2: polling that says he will win And I just think, Andrew,
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Speaker 2: you know the climate as well as I do. I
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Speaker 2: don't think you're going to get that sort of definitive
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Speaker 2: polling in a climate like this. And I will say too,
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Speaker 2: you know, the National Energy Guarantee was a Josh Frydenberg creation.
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Speaker 2: I think that doesn't wash that well anymore. He was
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Speaker 2: out there in support of The Voice. Well, The Voice
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Speaker 2: was defeated even in Victoria. Again, I don't think he
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Speaker 2: reads the electorate that is today, that is the electorate
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Speaker 2: with a one-nation complexion, as well as perhaps it did
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Speaker 2: in the past.
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Speaker 10: Deficits. Was he much different to a Labor Treasurer?
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Speaker 9: Really?
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Speaker 1: Was he?
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Speaker 2: You know? Well, he'll say that COVID.
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Speaker 10: I know there was COVID, but outside of that, that
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Speaker 10: 22 budget and, you know, never delivered a surplus. had
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Speaker 10: the opportunity in that one year to do so, promised one.
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Speaker 2: I just don't know, Josh.
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Speaker 10: I mean, he speaks well. He's very articulate.
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Speaker 2: Correct. I think he's very able. He's as smart as
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Speaker 2: a whip. I think he's a very good senior minister.
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Speaker 2: I think he's got the chops to be a political
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Speaker 2: leader in these times, to lead the Liberal Party. I'm
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Speaker 2: not convinced. And I will say, you know, and he
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Speaker 2: and I had it out many times during COVID, I
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Speaker 2: think Victorians felt let down by Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg.
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Speaker 2: I feel like we had no-one in our corner back then.
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Speaker 2: I think this is one of the reasons why the
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Speaker 2: party struggled in Victoria because we are all now dealing
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Speaker 2: with the impact still of those lockdowns and, you know,
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Speaker 2: he was basically a roommate with Morrison.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, but he argued against them in Parliament, quite a
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Speaker 10: strong speech, and he copped some flak from that.
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Speaker 2: Mate, that was in the October. That was in the October.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Where was he from February until that October when we
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Speaker 2: were locked down? He was sharing the lodge with Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't living through the worst of it down here.
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Speaker 2: And everyone who watches my program knows I fought bloody
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Speaker 2: hard against Andrews. It felt very lonely at the time.
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Speaker 2: I had a friend whose son committed suicide in that
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Speaker 2: first lockdown. I knew it was real. You know, I
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Speaker 2: felt it. I lived it. I lived in the city.
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Speaker 2: I lived through everything that went on down here. And
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Speaker 2: I just don't think the Victorian Liberals, state and federal,
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Speaker 2: did enough to support Victorians. I think they're paying the
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Speaker 2: punishment for that.
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Speaker 10: Well, Angus, though, you know, I mean, they reckon he's
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Speaker 10: starting to come back a bit, but he's at 20%.
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Speaker 10: I mean, that's death of the party, One Nation official
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Speaker 10: opposition stuff.
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Speaker 12: What do you do?
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Speaker 10: You know, do you stick with Angus Taylor?
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Speaker 1: For how long?
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Speaker 10: How long does he get, Peter? You're an influential person
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Speaker 10: in this space. What's he got to get to by
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Speaker 10: Christmas to survive?
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be putting a number on it. I want
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Speaker 2: to just see the momentum heading his way. I want
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Speaker 2: to see the trend heading his way. And he's certainly
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Speaker 2: taken it up from the 15% he inherited from Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee and the mess in terms of just no policy
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Speaker 2: for 12 months. The trend is headed the right way.
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Speaker 2: Let's look at where the Liberal Party federally is after
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Speaker 2: the race in Victoria in November. I think that is
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Speaker 2: a very good litmus test. He can't claim it all.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it'll be Jess Wilson's win absolutely. But it'll
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Speaker 2: tell you whether the brand can recover because if it
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Speaker 2: can recover in Victoria, Andrew, if the Libs can recover
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, as they must, then they can recover anywhere else.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, but they're going to get smashed in New South Wales.
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Speaker 10: I mean, Labor's expectation there is One Nation will be
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Speaker 10: the opposition party after next March. So, yeah, I think
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Speaker 10: Jess Wilson will probably win. But you'll have this, you know,
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Speaker 10: interesting sort of situation where Victoria, you're looking good for once.
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Speaker 10: And New South Wales lives look terrible.
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Speaker 2: That's problematic. Okay, so let me ask you this. Let
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Speaker 2: me ask you this. What is the biggest policy that
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Speaker 2: Kelly Sloan's got on the table right now in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales?
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Speaker 10: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Do you?
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Speaker 2: Doesn't that tell you everything? Doesn't that tell you everything?
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Speaker 2: You're not going to beat a popular Premier in Mins,
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Speaker 2: just like you're not going to beat a popular Premier
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Speaker 2: in Malinowskis, particularly given both men are from the Labor right.
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Speaker 2: unless you've got substantial policy on the table. And that's
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Speaker 2: been the big deficit. The problem for the Libs last time,
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Speaker 2: they've remediated that under Wilson in this race. I haven't
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Speaker 2: seen enough done in New South Wales at all. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: fair enough.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 10: I mean, she comes across well. She seems nice, but,
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Speaker 10: you know, nice ain't going to win it.
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Speaker 2: So does Minns. So does Minns. He's not offensive enough.
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Speaker 10: To drive the votes away from him. He's just a
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Speaker 10: do-nothing bloke, isn't he, like Bob Carr? I mean, I
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Speaker 10: like Chris Minns on a personal level as well, and
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Speaker 10: he's a very skilled politician, but, geez, the unions run
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Speaker 10: the show when Labor's in charge in New South Wales
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Speaker 10: and you give all these public sector rises. You won't
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Speaker 10: privatise anything. I know you can't sell everything off, but
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Speaker 10: look at the metros and the hospitals and everything else
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Speaker 10: the Liberals built, and he hasn't got that.
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Speaker 4: Option.
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Speaker 10: All he can do is maybe sell a bit of land.
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Speaker 10: So what's he done in four years? Not a great deal.
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Speaker 10: Not a great deal at all, but he's just, you know,
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Speaker 10: the fact there's been this split on the right, the
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Speaker 10: Libs are in sort of trouble. Now his biggest threat
20:05
Speaker 10: is One Nation. That's their view. Crazy stuff.
20:09
Speaker 2: All those points you make about Mins are right, but
20:12
Speaker 2: we're insiders. We know those. Those are not being articulated
20:16
Speaker 2: enough by the Liberals and the Nationals out there in
20:18
Speaker 2: the real world so that they're not a choice, an
20:20
Speaker 2: either-or choice for the voters yet. I mean, that'll be
20:23
Speaker 2: the challenge for Kelly Sloan, put meat on the policy
20:26
Speaker 2: bone and frame Mins, but the Liberals haven't framed Mins yet.
20:32
Speaker 1: What about Angus?
20:33
Speaker 10: What's his big policy? He did this tax cuts thing
20:35
Speaker 10: he talked about for a day and then all he's
20:37
Speaker 10: doing is following One Nation.
20:38
Speaker 2: With their policies. He's got the tax cuts. He's got
20:41
Speaker 2: a serious immigration policy. He's mentioned them about twice. Yeah,
20:44
Speaker 2: but that's in the One Nation space. He's got a
20:46
Speaker 2: serious immigration policy. Well, it's better than One Nation. It's
20:50
Speaker 2: a 100% net overseas number.
20:53
Speaker 10: I get it, but I just think he needs more
20:55
Speaker 10: on the policy front too. I think the same applies
20:57
Speaker 10: to Angus.
20:57
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. I think he needs more.
20:59
Speaker 8: Yeah.
21:00
Speaker 2: But I do think that the trajectory, at least the trend,
21:04
Speaker 2: is up, not down, which is where it needs to be. Hey,
21:07
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a couple of things. You've
21:10
Speaker 2: got an update for me, I hope, in relation to
21:13
Speaker 2: this digital duty of care, this push to censor the
21:17
Speaker 2: online world. What's the latest there on Labor's push, Andrew?
21:21
Speaker 10: Well, I think digital duty of care and the Trust
21:24
Speaker 10: Ledge will both go to Senate inquiry. And that's because
21:28
Speaker 10: the Greens want both legislations there. And even though Annika
21:32
Speaker 10: Wells has made this concession on ministerial discretion, the Greens
21:35
Speaker 10: want more. And with the coalition, they can then push
21:37
Speaker 10: it to a Senate inquiry. So neither of those bills
21:39
Speaker 10: will be resolved by the end of the year, is
21:41
Speaker 10: my understanding. And there's some doubt as to whether the
21:45
Speaker 10: Greens will back it.
21:45
Speaker 1: I mean, they might.
21:47
Speaker 10: Eventually once they go through these inquiries, but it'll be
21:49
Speaker 10: a bit of a battle for the government. I think
21:51
Speaker 10: we're about to get a test here with a new
21:54
Speaker 10: Greens leader in David Shoebridge. Is it so easy for
21:56
Speaker 10: Albanese to get so much through the Senate?
22:00
Speaker 2: I think he's also pretty articulate too. I think he's
22:02
Speaker 2: going to take the fight up to Labor on that
22:04
Speaker 2: left flank and that will spook the Prime Minister given
22:07
Speaker 2: he's fought the Greens for many years in Grayndler and
22:10
Speaker 2: across New South Wales.
22:14
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think Albanese is happy with Shoebridge's extension.
22:20
Speaker 2: And you've got to wonder whether there's a coalition operative
22:25
Speaker 2: inside the Prime Minister's office at the moment, don't you?
22:28
Speaker 2: I mean, one misstep after another when it comes to
22:31
Speaker 2: podcasts and stupid little stunts for social media. But what
22:36
Speaker 2: about the clown that took a letter that was coming
22:40
Speaker 2: from a a parliamentary inquiry to the Prime Minister, imploring
22:44
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to do X, Y and Z on AI,
22:47
Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister's office go in and change that
22:50
Speaker 2: letter and send it back to them, but they keep
22:53
Speaker 2: the track changes on and then they send it around
22:56
Speaker 2: to other people, including the Senator David Pocock, who outs
23:01
Speaker 2: them as writing their own letter.
23:05
Speaker 10: Maybe those staff involved in those decisions are lucky that...
23:09
Speaker 10: Tim Gartrell's the cause and not you at the moment, Peter.
23:13
Speaker 2: I know I'm a lamb, mate. I was a lamb.
23:15
Speaker 2: I'll end it there. Thank you, Andrew Clennell. All right,
23:21
Speaker 2: let's go now to the issue I opened the show
23:24
Speaker 2: with again, that fallout from Revelations last night in relation
23:28
Speaker 2: to David and Mary McCarthy. Their son, of course, signaler
23:32
Speaker 2: Sean McCarthy, was killed in an IED incident explosion in Afghanistan,
23:38
Speaker 2: and despite having lived through that grief, they supported so
23:41
Speaker 2: many of the families of the others lost in that campaign.
23:46
Speaker 2: So can you believe it? They were left off the
23:48
Speaker 2: list for that big service on Sunday commemorating 25 years
23:55
Speaker 2: since Australia entered that war conflict in Afghanistan.
24:00
Speaker 4: We got a phone call on the Friday from a
24:03
Speaker 4: couple of the widows who said, look, we'll meet you
24:06
Speaker 4: at the memorial. And we said, what are you talking about?
24:10
Speaker 4: They said, aren't you coming? I said, well, we know
24:13
Speaker 4: it's on, but we don't know, we haven't been invited.
24:16
Speaker 4: And it's too late for us to organise accommodation and
24:20
Speaker 4: transport at that stage. So they managed to get themselves
24:24
Speaker 4: on the list. They went to DVA and managed to
24:26
Speaker 4: bang the table and get them on the invite. But
24:29
Speaker 4: for us, it was really too late for us to
24:32
Speaker 4: make a move.
24:35
Speaker 2: Phil Thompson, himself a veteran, is the Shadow Minister for
24:38
Speaker 2: Defence Personality, joins me now from Canberra. Well, surely this
24:43
Speaker 2: is the last straw for Keogh if he's an honourable
24:46
Speaker 2: bloke he would go. And if he won't go, then
24:49
Speaker 2: this is now a test for the Prime Minister to
24:52
Speaker 2: sack him, Phil.
24:54
Speaker 12: How many more times can this incompetent minister say, for
24:59
Speaker 12: Veterans Affairs continue to fail and fall upwards. The Prime
25:03
Speaker 12: Minister should be standing up today and announcing a new
25:07
Speaker 12: Minister for Veterans Affairs. Matt Keogh is clearly not up
25:11
Speaker 12: to the task. We heard today in Question Time whilst
25:14
Speaker 12: he did say, oh, well, I've spoken to the McCarthy's,
25:17
Speaker 12: it was the War Memorial's fault, which I just think
25:20
Speaker 12: is quite pathetic as he's the responsible minister. And they
25:24
Speaker 12: were told on Saturday. So the commemoration, the event was
25:29
Speaker 12: on Sunday. Why didn't they spin up the plane? Why
25:32
Speaker 12: didn't they go and pick up every single family member
25:36
Speaker 12: who has lost a loved one in the war on
25:39
Speaker 12: terror in Afghanistan?
25:40
Speaker 10: This is just ridiculous.
25:43
Speaker 2: I will also add, you know, the families of the
25:46
Speaker 2: 41 killed in action had to pay their own way
25:49
Speaker 2: to the Afghan memorial and all the politicians, all the
25:55
Speaker 2: dignitaries got flown there on the public purse. That in
26:00
Speaker 2: itself is not good enough for me, Phil.
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Speaker 1: No, it's ridiculous.
26:03
Speaker 12: To be honest, the families of those that have been
26:06
Speaker 12: killed in battle, they should be sitting in the front rows.
26:08
Speaker 12: They should be laying the wreaths first. They should have
26:12
Speaker 12: the names read out of their loved one who's been
26:14
Speaker 12: killed in battle. And that's how we should be doing
26:17
Speaker 12: it as a proud nation who supports those that defend
26:20
Speaker 12: us and have fought in Afghanistan and paid the ultimate sacrifice.
26:24
Speaker 12: That's what should happen. We should not be expecting the
26:28
Speaker 12: loved ones of our fallen to to try and foot
26:31
Speaker 12: the bill, find money in the cost of living crisis,
26:35
Speaker 12: to travel from all around the country to get to Canberra,
26:38
Speaker 12: to be thrown in the back row somewhere and told, well,
26:41
Speaker 12: you can lay a wreath when we announce everyone else can.
26:44
Speaker 12: I just think that's pretty poor and pretty pathetic. But
26:49
Speaker 12: the government has, the Prime Minister has a massive plane.
26:51
Speaker 12: Richard Miles, the Defence Minister, he's got about six or
26:53
Speaker 12: seven planes under his control. Why didn't they zip around
26:56
Speaker 12: and pick everyone up? Like, that's what should be happening.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And, you know, I don't buy the
27:03
Speaker 2: idea that this is all the War Memorial's fault because
27:05
Speaker 2: they might have sent out the invitations. But as you know,
27:08
Speaker 2: the way this works, you go to the Home Department
27:12
Speaker 2: for the database about who they want invited. So DVA
27:15
Speaker 2: would have given them the veterans database. They would have
27:18
Speaker 2: gone to SRHOS. for all the VIPs, the PMs, the politicians.
27:22
Speaker 2: They would have gone to Foreign Affairs to get all
27:24
Speaker 2: the names of the ambassadors and the high commissioners and
27:28
Speaker 2: invite them, and they would have just put them all together.
27:31
Speaker 2: So clearly, and David said this last night on the show,
27:34
Speaker 2: this isn't the first case DVA has dropped the ball.
27:37
Speaker 2: So DVA obviously has not paid due regard to next
27:41
Speaker 2: of kin. There's been multiple things that they have not
27:44
Speaker 2: been invited to by DVA, and he puts it downfield.
27:49
Speaker 2: to the fact that he's spoken out against the Brereton
27:52
Speaker 2: inquiry and he has appeared in a pretty critical documentary,
27:57
Speaker 2: a rightly critical documentary, Bravery and Betrayal, because he and
28:04
Speaker 2: the widows, two women involved, were all not invited.
28:09
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, John Howard and Tony Abbott were also in
28:13
Speaker 12: Bravery and Betrayal. that documentary that the Wandering Warriors and
28:18
Speaker 12: the Special Air Service put together. I can see how
28:23
Speaker 12: he would feel that he's been punished for it and It's,
28:26
Speaker 12: you know, surely it's not a coincidence that him and
28:28
Speaker 12: the others that were inside or on this documentary have
28:33
Speaker 12: been left out. I don't think any minister can point
28:36
Speaker 12: the finger at a department and say it's not my fault,
28:38
Speaker 12: it's theirs, when he's supposed to be running the show.
28:41
Speaker 12: It'd be like someone in business or myself going, oh, no.
28:46
Speaker 12: It's my staff's fault, not mine. No, it's my fault.
28:48
Speaker 12: I'm the leader in my office. It's my responsibility. And
28:53
Speaker 12: if anything happened, I take responsibility. The minister just fails
28:56
Speaker 12: to do that. He fails to see how he's the
28:59
Speaker 12: responsible person. And from cutting travel to... Cameron Baird, VC,
29:04
Speaker 12: MG's family, to cutting funding to the Invictus, to putting
29:07
Speaker 12: an allied health cap on veterans of $ 5, 000. He continues
29:12
Speaker 12: to fail and fail upwards. The Prime Minister needs to
29:16
Speaker 12: look at him and just go, mate, this gig's just
29:18
Speaker 12: not for you, and move him on. Because the McCarthy's
29:22
Speaker 12: and everyone else who's missed out on this 25-year anniversary
29:26
Speaker 12: of when we went into Afghanistan, I just think is
29:29
Speaker 12: not just upsetting, it just shows it's a failure. These
29:33
Speaker 12: people paid the ultimate sacrifice. They're our nation's heroes and
29:36
Speaker 12: they should be treated as such.
29:39
Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me, though, Phil, because this is the
29:43
Speaker 2: same government that's punishing with war crimes investigations and now
29:48
Speaker 2: two trials involving two soldiers at the soldier level about
29:54
Speaker 2: what allegedly happened, but there's absolutely no pressure on or
30:00
Speaker 2: interrogation of senior command. They don't take responsibility either.
30:05
Speaker 12: Yeah, command responsibility has been left wandering here because whilst
30:13
Speaker 12: there's been significant attacks at the soldier level, there has
30:18
Speaker 12: been very little to none of anyone in the senior
30:22
Speaker 12: echelon has been held accountable, including the former Chief of
30:26
Speaker 12: Defence Force, Angus Campbell. Well, he's now on a posting
30:29
Speaker 12: as an ambassador to Berlin. You know, he's never been
30:33
Speaker 12: scrutinised into his involvement or what he knew or anything
30:36
Speaker 12: like that. But I want to make one thing very
30:40
Speaker 12: clear that Anyone before the courts is innocent until proven guilty,
30:44
Speaker 12: and that must be an absolute paramount of what goes forth.
30:47
Speaker 12: But also at the War Memorial on Sunday, we had
30:50
Speaker 12: two Victoria Cross recipients sitting in the crowd, Dan Kieran, VC,
30:54
Speaker 12: and Ben Robert Smith, VC, MG. Not once was our
30:58
Speaker 12: Victoria Cross recipients acknowledged. Not once was their names even mentioned.
31:03
Speaker 12: And I think that is an absolute crime. like blight
31:07
Speaker 12: on this government to put the handbrake on acknowledging our
31:12
Speaker 12: most bravest.
31:14
Speaker 2: I cannot believe that. I cannot believe that, Phil. That
31:18
Speaker 2: is extraordinary. Thank you for alerting us to that. Thanks,
31:22
Speaker 2: Phil Thompson. Go hard on Macchio tomorrow, please. All right,
31:25
Speaker 2: after the break, more on the domestic probe into the
31:28
Speaker 2: fly-to-buy co-pilot. Did his pathway to radicalisation start in Australia?
31:35
Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back. Coming up, the personal impact of
31:44
Speaker 2: the ongoing reality of brave Iranians who dare to stand
31:48
Speaker 2: up to the brutal regime. But let's pick up that
31:51
Speaker 2: investigation into flight of my co-pilot, an alleged terrorist, with
31:55
Speaker 2: an AFP probe now underway into reported links to the
31:59
Speaker 2: Islamic organisation My Centre in Melbourne. It's also a recipient,
32:04
Speaker 2: I might add, of state and federal Labor government funding.
32:08
Speaker 2: here to work through the latest detail, former AFP Detective
32:11
Speaker 2: Superintendent David Craig. David, I'll warn viewers at the top,
32:15
Speaker 2: we've got a bit of a delay on your line,
32:17
Speaker 2: so I'll ask a question and let you go and
32:20
Speaker 2: not have any much in the way of an exchange tonight.
32:24
Speaker 2: The more detail we're raking through, and of course we
32:27
Speaker 2: had reports out of the UAE on Saturday from the Attorney-General,
32:31
Speaker 2: the UAE Attorney-General, who relayed a confession, he says, from
32:37
Speaker 2: the alleged terrorist, the more there are questions about what
32:42
Speaker 2: happened to that man in Australia. And the obvious risk is,
32:46
Speaker 2: are our counter-terrorism safeguards strong enough if, as he claims,
32:52
Speaker 2: his radicalisation started in Melbourne?
32:57
Speaker 13: It's a shocking allegation, Peter, if this information is true,
33:02
Speaker 13: where we're now bringing people or people are coming from
33:05
Speaker 13: Oman to Australia to be radicalised. I mean, it's an
33:09
Speaker 13: indictment on our country that we would allow this to happen.
33:13
Speaker 13: We have got enough tools to deal with this. You know,
33:17
Speaker 13: it's just two weeks ago where Abu Ahmad was preaching
33:21
Speaker 13: radically in Victoria about in relation to picking up arms
33:26
Speaker 13: against enemies and don't take friends with Christians and Jews.
33:29
Speaker 13: I would like to know, you know, where are the
33:31
Speaker 13: hate speech laws now? Where is the inciting laws? Why
33:36
Speaker 13: are they being policed? We need to make Victoria, particularly
33:40
Speaker 13: Victoria and Sydney, an extremely hostile place for these radical extremists.
33:45
Speaker 13: We can't allow this sort of thing to slide by.
33:49
Speaker 2: Well, what about the case of Muhammad Bakit, the 65-year-old
33:53
Speaker 2: Carlton man who was picked up the other day and
33:56
Speaker 2: charged with disseminating some 10,000 horrific terrorist images online, a
34:05
Speaker 2: whole lot of other related offences? He was let out
34:09
Speaker 2: on bail, David Craig, because he said, and the court agreed,
34:13
Speaker 2: he needed time out of jail because to access his
34:18
Speaker 2: NDIS support.
34:21
Speaker 13: It's absolutely insane, isn't it? I mean, Peter, we haven't
34:25
Speaker 13: learnt from Bondi.
34:26
Speaker 2: Like I was alluding to.
34:28
Speaker 13: Before, Australia needs to be, if we don't want to
34:30
Speaker 13: go down the path of Birmingham and London, which is
34:34
Speaker 13: our future in about three years' time, If we don't
34:37
Speaker 13: make a stand against this and make this, our country,
34:40
Speaker 13: a very hostile place, then this is going to happen
34:42
Speaker 13: more and more. We've got alleged, you know, we've got
34:45
Speaker 13: ISIS affiliate brides who are alleged to have committed war
34:49
Speaker 13: crimes out on bail in Victoria. I mean, the potential
34:52
Speaker 13: for radicalisation in Victoria, it's just a centre for excellence
34:56
Speaker 13: at the moment.
34:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that we call it excellence at all, but...
35:01
Speaker 2: Let's leave that there and go to the revelations that
35:02
Speaker 2: we've got now that the Royal Commission, as you and
35:05
Speaker 2: I have been arguing for months now, will resume closed
35:09
Speaker 2: hearings later this month. I'd actually like to see them open.
35:13
Speaker 2: I want to see all of this evidence out there
35:15
Speaker 2: in the public domain. If parts of it have to
35:17
Speaker 2: be held in camera, fine. But the idea that all
35:20
Speaker 2: of this is going to be secret disturbs me. I
35:24
Speaker 2: want the transparency. What do you make of these reports
35:28
Speaker 2: and what do you know?
35:30
Speaker 13: Well, I've spent years, Peter, as you know, dealing with
35:33
Speaker 13: classified counterterrorism information and intelligence. And I completely understand that.
35:38
Speaker 13: And protecting methods and sources is very, very important. What
35:43
Speaker 13: is not acceptable is where a government is allowed to
35:47
Speaker 13: hide its agency heads from responsibility or accountability for decisions made.
35:53
Speaker 13: As you revealed on your show with the AFP whistleblower
35:58
Speaker 13: that submitted a written document to the Royal Commission that
36:02
Speaker 13: was dated in May 2024, that there was a 25%
36:06
Speaker 13: national shortage on counterterrorism staffing and a 38% shortage in
36:11
Speaker 13: New South Wales. And that was in May. A few
36:15
Speaker 13: months later, we get a probable threat level increased of
36:20
Speaker 13: our terrorist threat level from possible to probable. And then
36:23
Speaker 13: just over a year later, we have the Bondi massacre. Now,
36:28
Speaker 13: when that document was submitted, Chrissie Barrett, the now AFP Commissioner,
36:32
Speaker 13: was the National Security Deputy Commissioner at the time that
36:37
Speaker 13: report came in. She's the Commissioner of the AFP at
36:40
Speaker 13: the time of the Bondi shooting. I want to hear
36:44
Speaker 13: how we can reconcile what the AFP has told the
36:47
Speaker 13: Royal Commission, who reported in April this year that AFP
36:51
Speaker 13: counter-terrorism staffing has remained... stable over many years, how we
36:57
Speaker 13: reconcile that with this document written by senior AFP commanders
37:02
Speaker 13: in the counter-terrorism field directly under Chrissy Barrett.
37:08
Speaker 2: I want to see Chrissy Barrett there and I want
37:10
Speaker 2: the debate about the resources, David, held in the public
37:15
Speaker 2: domain at the very least. But I doubt that's going
37:18
Speaker 2: to happen. Thank you for your time. Thank you, David Craig.
37:21
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, plenty of conjecture over the
37:23
Speaker 2: US decision to live stream the execution of that mass
37:27
Speaker 2: convicted Islamist shooter. Where's the outrage when it comes to
37:31
Speaker 2: hundreds of innocent Iranian kids who are put to death
37:34
Speaker 2: daily by the regime? More on that next. Welcome back.
37:42
Speaker 2: Coming up, a ruling by the Fair Work Commission. You
37:45
Speaker 2: will not believe how much you, the taxpayers, are forking
37:50
Speaker 2: out for employees that the Commonwealth doesn't even employ. But
37:56
Speaker 2: let's have a significant change of pace now and the
37:58
Speaker 2: ongoing clampdown on citizens in Iran who are bravely standing
38:02
Speaker 2: up to the regime despite the threat of death. Iran
38:06
Speaker 2: continues to use executions, imprisonment and intimidation to crush dissent,
38:12
Speaker 2: with young Iranians paying the great price of demanding freedom.
38:17
Speaker 2: Melbourne resident and human rights advocate Jasmine Nawabi is an
38:21
Speaker 2: expat who has a deeply personal perspective. She, like many
38:26
Speaker 2: Iranian Australians, share connections with friends and family either directly
38:30
Speaker 2: implicated in the protests or profoundly impacted by the actions
38:36
Speaker 2: of the Iranian government. And she joins me now on
38:38
Speaker 2: the desk. Jasmine, this is your first interview, so we'll
38:42
Speaker 2: take it slowly because I know this is a really
38:44
Speaker 2: difficult subject for you. And in the interest of all
38:47
Speaker 2: the people you know and still love in Iran, we're
38:50
Speaker 2: not going to share any names because the reprisals, again,
38:53
Speaker 2: to their family are horrific. But you have a young
38:58
Speaker 2: couple close to you, a married couple, who are both
39:02
Speaker 2: in prison and The reports are that they were denied
39:07
Speaker 2: a face-to-face meeting before one of them was executed. What
39:14
Speaker 2: can you tell us about their story?
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Speaker 11: Well, first of all, thanks, Peter, for having me. And
39:19
Speaker 11: as you said, yes, I think every day Iranian people
39:24
Speaker 11: inside of Iran and Iranian Australians and diaspora inside of Australia,
39:28
Speaker 11: they're facing different types of times and moments, the horrific moments.
39:33
Speaker 11: And we're always afraid to open the social medias to
39:36
Speaker 11: looking at one horrible news that one person or how
39:40
Speaker 11: many people got executed. About these two young couples, well,
39:46
Speaker 11: it's quite recent. They were engaged before the protests and
39:52
Speaker 11: the regime took them to the prison. So their lawyers,
39:57
Speaker 11: who's trying to help them inside the prison, they decided
40:03
Speaker 11: to get married inside the prison. They chose love, which
40:06
Speaker 11: we know loves will never dead. They decided to get
40:12
Speaker 11: married over the phone with their permission of their parents
40:15
Speaker 11: over the phone. And they finally chose love. And they
40:21
Speaker 11: tried to be hopeful behind the prison walls. They said,
40:26
Speaker 11: we love each other and the loves will never end.
40:30
Speaker 11: And the day after, the man was executed, unfortunately, in
40:37
Speaker 11: the earliest time in the morning.
40:40
Speaker 2: And we see some of that imagery. It's horrific imagery.
40:43
Speaker 2: Not all of them are public executions, but some of
40:47
Speaker 2: them are. They involve cranes in public squares. It's done
40:52
Speaker 2: with great brutality. And there are credible reports of 50,000,
40:57
Speaker 2: some say 80,000 young people who have been murdered, executed
41:02
Speaker 2: this year alone.
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Speaker 11: These executions under the Islamic Republic regimes, not just for
41:09
Speaker 11: this year or last year, it has been for decades.
41:12
Speaker 11: We had the silence executions since the Islamic Republic regime
41:16
Speaker 11: started to governing in Iran. It started from then until now.
41:21
Speaker 11: But these years, since a couple of years ago, I
41:26
Speaker 11: would say from 2022 until now, it has been very, very,
41:33
Speaker 11: a lot of executions happening across all of the cities
41:36
Speaker 11: inside of Iran. And lots of people, they transferred to
41:40
Speaker 11: a solitary confinement and they're waiting for the executions. And obviously,
41:46
Speaker 11: the Iranian people, they just simply, there are protesters. There
41:50
Speaker 11: are walk on the streets and they're chanting two words only.
41:54
Speaker 11: They're chanting freedom, dignity. And they called for one name.
41:58
Speaker 11: King Reza Pahlavi, to be their leader. They want regime change.
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Speaker 11: And during the January massacre, which it's all over the
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Speaker 11: news is, the regime is scared. That's why they put.
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Speaker 2: Iran- That's why they're standing down so hard. Exactly.
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Speaker 11: And they put a blackout for two nights. So they
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Speaker 11: wouldn't allow the news around the world, wouldn't cover anything
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Speaker 11: that how many people have been killed on the streets.
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Speaker 2: So just quickly then, are you angry, disappointed? about the
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Speaker 2: lack of attention on this issue, not just by the
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Speaker 2: Australian government, but we have young people here in Australia
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Speaker 2: marching almost every second day, certainly on weekends, for the
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Speaker 2: pro-Palestinian movement and Hamas and Hezbollah and all the other
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Speaker 2: terrorist organisations. They are in the mix. Where is our
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Speaker 2: support for the young people of Iran?
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Speaker 11: Nothing. That's why we're angry from the Albanese government at
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Speaker 11: the moment, because there is evidence that shows the Islamic
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Speaker 11: Republic regime funding the terrorist groups and making the world
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Speaker 11: and the countries and the neighbourhoods around Iran in Australia,
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Speaker 11: making the countries and its peoples unsafe. And that's one
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Speaker 11: of the evidence coming from the Islamic Republic regime's embassy
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Speaker 11: in Canberra. So they're trying to assigning the people, funding
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Speaker 11: the people, and funding the terrorist groups as much as
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Speaker 11: they can, putting on safety for the people in the
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Speaker 11: different countries. And it's... All of the emotions, angry, upset,
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Speaker 11: anything you can say. But we want Australia and most
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Speaker 11: likely the Australian government to hear us because we're talking logically,
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Speaker 11: we're providing evidences logically, and we want Australia to be
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Speaker 11: safe for its people.
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Speaker 2: Jasmine, you're a brave woman for coming here tonight. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Horrific, isn't it? As I said. Young people
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Speaker 2: in Australia, get out and protest about that. All right,
43:57
Speaker 2: a fair work ruling and how much you are paying
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Speaker 2: for workers that aren't even government workers after the break.
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Speaker 2: Let's get straight into it with my panel, One Nation
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Speaker 2: National Director James Ashby, former Liberal MP Nicole Flint. Welcome
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Speaker 2: to you both. Well, explain this one to me, James.
44:17
Speaker 2: How on earth are the federal taxpayers spending some half
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Speaker 2: a billion dollars on on pay rises for workers in
44:24
Speaker 2: the disability and community service sector that are not even
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Speaker 2: employed by the Commonwealth. We saw it happen with childcare,
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Speaker 2: a lot of for-profit centres, commercial centres, had the poor
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Speaker 2: old taxpayer footing the bill for pay rises. Now we're
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Speaker 2: doing it for NDIS and health workers.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, and there's no reason for this. Look, I know
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Speaker 14: everyone's struggling at the moment, but We've been warned now.
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Speaker 14: This government have been told by the RBA and they've
44:53
Speaker 14: been told by the World Monetary Fund, you've got to
44:57
Speaker 14: cool your spending. And that's the reality, that they just
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Speaker 14: can't seem to handle or grasp. And that's why inflation's
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Speaker 14: through the roof. It's at 4%, where it should be
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Speaker 14: under 2%. And that's why everyone copped another mortgage increase, well,
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Speaker 14: another interest rate increase to their mortgage. So we're all
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Speaker 14: paying more in response to an irresponsible Labor government. And
45:19
Speaker 14: I'm afraid that it's only going to keep getting worse.
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Speaker 14: I sense there's going to be another, at least one
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Speaker 14: more mortgage increase over the next couple of months.
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Speaker 2: It's terrible. Nicole, if you're a childcare centre that makes
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Speaker 2: a profit, pay for the increase of your own staff.
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Speaker 2: If you're an NDIS provider and you're making a profit, Nicole,
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Speaker 2: pay for the increase to your own staff. Why is
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Speaker 2: the taxpayer paying for this? They shouldn't be, Peter, and.
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Speaker 15: Every single small business in Australia right now will be
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Speaker 15: absolutely horrified and disgusted because not only are they facing
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Speaker 15: some $ 12 billion of changes to their trust arrangements, thanks
45:59
Speaker 15: to Albanese and his treasurer, Jim Chalmers, they just had
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Speaker 15: to fight the ATO on the credit card surcharge that
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Speaker 15: they now have to pass on to customers. and also
46:08
Speaker 15: not being able to pay their tax to the ATO
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Speaker 15: by a credit card. So we're hurting our 2.7 million
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Speaker 15: small businesses who employ 5 million Australians. I bet they'd
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Speaker 15: really like a pay handout from the taxpayer so they
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Speaker 15: can afford to employ their staff, but we won't see that,
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Speaker 15: will we? Because Labor hate small businesses. They hate private enterprise.
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Speaker 15: They're just trying to increase their union reach throughout the
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Speaker 15: not-for-profit sectors.
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Speaker 2: You know, James, after these revelations in relation to the
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Speaker 2: fly-to-buy co-pilot and the alleged links to a Muslim organisation
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, I've done a bit of a deep dive
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Speaker 2: into the financial statements of some of these organisations. And
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Speaker 2: I have to say, and I'll have a special report
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night, there are questions for the government, given they've
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Speaker 2: received government money, and there are, what I would regard,
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Speaker 2: some probity questions that... have not fully been answered. Let's
47:10
Speaker 2: leave that there. Surely all of this money now needs
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Speaker 2: an audit.
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Speaker 14: Well, that's what One Nation have been calling for for
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Speaker 14: a long time, and this is just another Labor-established industry.
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Speaker 14: You've got to remember, before they came to power, there
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Speaker 14: was no money going to these multicultural groups, or effectively
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Speaker 14: no money. It was very small what it was. And now,
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Speaker 14: since they've come to government, we've given away, as taxpayers...
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Speaker 14: because of Labor's decision, well over $ 300 million. There's no
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Speaker 14: vetting of these groups. That's the hardest part to understand.
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Speaker 14: And we know where the money's going. A lot of
47:44
Speaker 14: it's going to these radical Islamized groups that are calling
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Speaker 14: for terrorism on some of our politicians, including my own boss,
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Speaker 14: Pauline Hanson. They call her filth. I've never known another
47:55
Speaker 14: church group to come out and lash politicians like some
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Speaker 14: of these groups that are receiving some of, and not
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Speaker 14: just some, the majority of money. And the majority of
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Speaker 14: this money is actually going, over 90% of it is
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Speaker 14: going to Labor held seats. So it's a huge scam.
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Speaker 14: It's been implemented by Labor. And yeah, there's got to
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Speaker 14: be some massive, massive questions asked about this, especially when
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Speaker 14: we're in the cost of living crisis and debt is
48:21
Speaker 14: through the roof.
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Speaker 2: You went out wrong. I'm afraid I have to leave
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Speaker 2: it there. Thank you to you both. Catch up with
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Speaker 2: you next week. That's it for me. See you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: I'll have that special report for you on some of
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Speaker 2: this money to Muslim organisations in Melbourne tomorrow night. Here's
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt.