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Find me on Twitter at pro Underscore Underscore and in tonight's episode, pretty Straightforward,
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taking a detour from the normal in season game episode or episodes of disguised
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coverage where we usually dive into the matchups and film of the past game in
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some form or fashion. Do some stock ups stock down preview the upcoming opponent
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in terms of who they are schematically and structurally. But like I said,
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we're detouring from that a bit in this episode tonight with the news today coming
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down the pike of Ken Dorsey being removed as offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills,
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which I'm I'm sure for some is a little bit of you know,
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ding dong, the witch is dead a little bit. I'm sure several of
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you, probably more than several, are dancing down the yellow brick road as
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the horse has fallen. Horse house has fallen up on Ken Dorsey and he's
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out. I'm seeing a whole bunch of comments coming through already, going to
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bring up a bunch of those make this episode as interactive as we potentially can.
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On the back end of this episode, I'm very excited to welcome back
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Kendall Mursky to the show. Someone who used to work on the film room
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or in the film room with myself and Eric Turner, used to be a
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frequent guest here on Disgui's coverage. He's going to be joining us a little
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bit around, you know, the thirty forty minute mark. From here,
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as we dive into a lot of detail and pieces when it comes to Dorsey,
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Joe Brady, where this team was, where this team is, who
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they're going to be going forward. There's so much to this all I don't
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want to say culminating, but I guess arising from a very very very very
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disappointing loss to the Denver Bronco was last night, a loss that really I
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think overall was and we're going to get into this more as we go along
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in the show, but I think the Broncos game last night was such a
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good microcosm of this Buffalo Bills offense what they've been since about the week five
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mark, where you have certain schematic and play call pieces definitely being less than
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ideal, you know, like running mesh on fourth and two or fourth and
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one, run running it at all really like we've talked about in the film,
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but especially in that down and distance, but then also a lot of
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individual player execution failures. Do you know all the drops, the turnovers,
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the Josh Allen interception and the half and all of it. You know,
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the Bills have been stuck in this rut schematically but also from an execution standpoint,
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and all of these pieces have kind of blended together and have muddied the
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waters when it comes to source points for the struggles for this offense that we've
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really seen since about Week five, since that Jacksonville game, which, you
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know, even amidst all these struggles, as I'm sure a lot of people
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are familiar with, the advanced metrics still point to this offense being a good
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offense and being an efficient offense, which we are also going to dive into
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in this episode in terms of putting things into perspective in terms of, you
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know, what Dorsey was, what Dorsey is, what this offense was,
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what this offense is, and what it potentially can be under Joe Brady going
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forward, given what he did in his brief not brief stint by a year
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and three quarters stint as offensive coordinator in Carolina, But then what challenges he'll
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face with this team taking over not necessarily just taking over the team in general
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from the offensive side, but more so taking over the offensive side of the
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ball for this team at this point in the year, going into week eleven
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for this Buffalo Bills team in terms of what's already been established, what you
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can fix, what you can't. So there's a lots of go go down
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when it comes down the rabbit hole of this conversation. But it started to
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put some comments from the chat because I know, I know, again this
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has been a very hot button topic issue for a lot of people. We
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always like to make the show as interactive as possible, but especially for something
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that is as large scale as this is, which is a significant peace right.
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Usually have like your three heads of the team, the head coach,
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offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator. One of those heads has gone and it's been
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ahead that a lot of people have been clamoring for to be removed really since
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last year for some, but a lot of you know, a lot of
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vocality, if that's the right word, coming for Ken Dorsey's head this year.
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So I want to make this as interactive as possible. I'm to say
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that a lot throughout the episode. So questions, thoughts, comments, concerns,
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whatever you got throwed up into the chat. Voice your pleasure, your
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displeasure, your concern, questions, thoughts, you know, statements, whatever
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you got started to go through. Grab this first one from cal who says,
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I haven't been as critical of Dorsey as some. I think what we
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saw was part of a strategy to limit Josh's hits, but it's a strategy
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that was working. Yeah, there's I think the whole Alan Dorsey conversation has
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been really kind of I think it started to turn into like a chicken egg
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scenario in terms of like which one kind of came first, And you know,
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I know Dorsey was being used as this kind of cure, we're all
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blanket answer for the struggles of Josh Allen, even going so far as any
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time Alan would make a poor decision or a mistake, it was because he
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was you know, he was being coached in correctly, or he'd be setting
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up for failure, or even just something that I saw a lot of comments
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too when Ala would make a poor decision and people would still find a way
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to blame Dorsey and be like, well, Dorsey's got to rein him in
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and make them not throw those passes like that. There's just a lot of
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blame going Dorsey's way for you know, the errors in the Josh Allen game.
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But I do think some of those errors in Josh Allen's game did stem
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from him kind of being I don't want to say, you know, I
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know verbiage that was being thrown around was like newter or being kind of kept
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in the pen a little bit. I think some of it was strategic,
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but I do think that you know, of Alan and Dorsey or Alan in
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Dorsey system just led to play for Josh Allen this year that was efficient but
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also had a lot of just hitches and a lot of kinks to it or
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kinks in it, kind of like in the Machine. I broke down several
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on Twitter. Myself and Eric have gone into him in the film room.
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Just things that Alan was missing, like basic hot reads and basic reads in
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general, and a concept you know, like okay, you have two players
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over here to the left. If the defender does a you go to this
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guy. If he does be, you go to the other guy. And
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then it's like, okay, cool, the player did a make make your
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throat and Alan just wouldn't like there were issues in Alan's game, and whether
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it was on Alan or because of what was going on with Dorsey, it
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created this muddied, muddled up scenario in situation honestly, your follow up here
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kel it says that said there wasn't a lot of creativity. Play was consistently
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sloppy, and there's something to be said for executing someone. Oh I'm not
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even gonna attempt to pronounce that in French. I like what you said there.
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I think to what we've talked about on the show here the biggest challenge
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with Dorsey's offense. I don't think Dorsey's offense is bad necessarily, but like
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we've talked about in the show, like we've talked about in the film room,
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a lot of it is very half and half in terms of field reads.
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At times it will be like, okay, like on the left side
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you have a play that'll be Cover two, on the right side you have
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a play that'll be cover one or cover three or whatever. And then so
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it's on Josh to id the coverage and then on the snap read things,
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post snap, make the throw. Then you've also got the added layer of
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a lot of this offense being kind of read and react from a weapons standpoint,
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in terms of on the snap you read the leverage of the defender and
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or read the coverage. If it's a you do this if it's b you
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do that. And when you get into that kind of scenario in situation,
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it can put a lot on players, not just the quarterback but from the
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weapon standpoint as well, because they have to do so much mental work post
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snap, and that can do you not playing fast and or just the basic
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nature of you have to be seeing what the receiver next to you is seeing
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and what the quarterback is seeing. You all have to see the same thing
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and you all kind of have to see it at the same time in order
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to be in order to be in order to be able to execute in rhythm
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and on time. That can be a little difficult as well. And then
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you have from a creativity standpoint, you know it's been established. Ken Dorsey's
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not a schemer. He's more just like, hey, here's the plays,
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here's the play to beat this coverage. Here's this play to beat that coverage.
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Go out, read it, make it happen, which isn't necessarily a
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bad thing. And maybe if he and I'm not saying Josh Allen isn't good
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at processing or isn't a cerebral quarterback, but maybe if he as somebody who
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is more mechanical or is more process based maybe his offense works better for that
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person. But it is interesting knowing. I think my bigger thing with it
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in tying all this together and the struggles between Alan and Dorsey has been Alan
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vouched for Ken Dorsey like he wanted Ken Dorsey as the offensive coordinator or not
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that it makes everything okay, but it is interesting, like you would think
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that if you picked somebody to be your play caller and your offensive coordinator,
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it would be someone who fit you to a tee from an ideology standpoint,
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from a philosophy standpoint, from a concept standpoint. So that's when it starts
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to go further and be like, okay, is it just is Alan not
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executing? Is is it Alan's fault? Is it Dorsey's fault? Is it
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something else? Is it someone in particular? And like most issues or problems
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in football, they're rarely, if ever, is a time where the problems
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or shortcomings are all one person's fault or or are or all one side of
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the ball's fault, which is another thing we're going to get into on this
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episode. But like where your head's a help, I gotta stop because there
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is a super chat. Ben. Appreciate you being here, Ben, and
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thank you very much for the super chat and hopefully some kind words is I'm
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about to read here, Ben says, appreciate the actual analysis. My sense
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we don't play with joy anymore on offense. Where where are all the videos
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of the team jamming out like a few years ago? We just feel tight.
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Appreciate the comment they've Ben, I think there's something to be said for
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that to a degree, maybe not necessarily the joy piece. I can't speak
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to how players feel and what they're feeling emotionally and they what they're engaging like
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in practice and again what's going on in between the years. But I think
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from a tightness standpoint, I think that's a good point because when you have
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a certain level of expectations and you're not hitting those expectations, which this Buffalo
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Bills team has not, I don't think that's a shock to anyone. This
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team is five and five. I know we all recognize the strength of schedule
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the Bills had this year and how difficult that schedule was going to be.
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But at this point, you know, it's not just the amount of losses
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that this team has had, but the kinds of losses that they've had,
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and to the teams that they've lost too. When that starts to happen,
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and you know, putting that in conjunction with just not hitting your expectations,
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you start to tighten up a little bit. And when things go wrong,
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it makes everything tighter. When someone drops a pass or last night's game is
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a good example too. The Bills come out, they win the toss,
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they take the ball. They know the struggles they've had offensively Latavious Murray,
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and that player's only meeting for the offense. Everyone reads as much as they
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don't maybe lean into it or talk about it. They read what's going on
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on social media and the papers and all that kind of stuff. They know
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what's being said about the offense in this group. And imagine you come out
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and you take the ball and you're ready to go make a statement like the
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Bengals did to you the previous week, and the very first play you fumble
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the ball. I can't imagine the gut punch that that is to the entire
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offense. Like it's just one of those like, oh my dude, here
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we go again, and you just I think that titaness builds and it builds
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and it builds, and with every incompletion, with every punt, with every
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turnover, with every missed field goal, with every stop, anything culminates and
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it builds little by little. Some you know, you add a little bit
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more to the meter, some you add a little bit less. But I
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think that you know, feeling that things feel tight, or saying, you
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know, Ben, that you know the the Bills aren't playing with joy anymore
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on offense. I don't know if it's necessarily joy, but I think it
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feels heavy from a mental load perspective and a stress level perspective when you watch
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this team operate, and I think it's because they feel the stress. They
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feel they know they're not hitting expectations. And when you're caught in that rut
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and then things don't go well, it's easy to get back into that mindset
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and be like like here we go again, Like this sucks. Appreciate you,
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Ben. That's a good analysis. I like that. Let's go back
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to the comments. Just the Tippy Canoe, I always love that name.
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My thoughts on the switch is incomplete. We don't know enough about Brady calling
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plays to make a really good guess. Go Bills. I think that is
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very very set. This is an interesting coming here. My main thought is
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that if Josh doesn't stop turning the ball over at an alarming rate, then
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Dorsey won't be the last coach fire. I think. What's interesting about that
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piece as well, I think not that I wonder if if the Bills win
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that game last night, is Ken Dorsey still offensive coordinator today? Does Ken
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Dorsey not get fired if the Bills win that game? I think that's like
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my biggest question. And also even with the performance of the Bills offense last
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night, which is something night again I want to put into perspective because again
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they lost the game, they scored twenty two points. But from a drive
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perspective, again, this idea of putting everything on to the play to Ken
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Dorsey. If you look at the Bills drives last night, first drive ends
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with the James Cook fumble. The second drive ends with the Gabe Davis drop
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that turns into an interception. The third drive ends five plays thirteen yards.
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Latavious Murray drops a pass on second down. On third down, Josh Allen
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Missus Stefan Diggs also get some pressure. The fourth drive three and out.
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Dalton kin Kay drops the ball on third down. The fifth drive is a
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touchdown. The sixth drive is the one play interception at the end of the
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first half. The seventh drive is the failed fourth down bad match call and
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give them the situation and their failure on that play concept, but also Alan
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still extends has Shakir misses him. The next drive is a touchdown. The
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drive after that is three plays thirty seven yards. Alan loses the ball as
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he hands it off to James Cook and we get a fumble. The next
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drive is six plays twenty six yards and a punt, and then the final
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drive is six plays seventy five yards and a touchdown. There is so much
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that's happening from an individual variability standpoint, from the players individual execution. That's
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why I think last night's game was so funny. There were so many things
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that were going wrong that And yes, things start from the top. I
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understand that. You know, if you're gonna use Ken Dorsey as the source
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point or if you want to go above that and say Sean McDermott, you
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kind of trickle everything down from there. But so many things went wrong in
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that game last night that were just that had nothing to do with Ken Dorsey,
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like and I even saw something like Alan throws the ball to Gabe Davis
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and it ricochets off his hands, it gets intercepted. And I saw some
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comments in my mentions of well, the passing window isn't big enough, so
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Alan has to put extra zip on the ball, which led to the drop
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and led to the interception. Like even that, and that's not true,
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that passing window was huge. Alan, could he have put the ball a
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little more on, gave Davis's gester. Sure, that's just a plain old
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drop. That's just a drop, which is bad enough in and of itself,
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but then you get the added bad luck effect of it ricochet's and it
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gets intercepted. All these pieces, the James Cook fumble on the very first
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play, Josh Allen losing the ball out of his hands when trying to hand
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it off to James Cook. That leads to another fumble, even though the
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fourtuit has bounced. They had on the big James Cook run where he fumbles
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again but it bounces back to him. So many pieces and things that were
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happening in that game that weren't Ken Dorsey's fault. And now does that mean
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he is blameless? Absolutely not. There are problems that arise from his structure,
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his schematics, his play calling, and the sequencing of all of it.
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I, for one, you know, low hanging fruit for me.
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I think the Bills are a good running football team and they need the run
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game. I hate how inconsistent the run game is. It feels like it
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takes this offense kind of going off the rails a little bit for him to
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be like, all right, you know what, let's commit to the run
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like they did in this game, like they've did in that Giants game.
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Like that's been a big gripe for me. But there's a lot of individual
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variables. From an execution standpoint, and I don't want to say a bad
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luck standpoint, but I'll say from a turnover or drive stalling perspective, that
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is really hurt this offense. And it's been it's been an unfortunate piece.
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But you know, if Dorsey's head is the one that has to roll,
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Dorssey's head is the one that's going to have to roll. Let's keep going
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here. In some of the comments, Andrew saying, I just keep going
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back to the Patrick Peterson comment on the predictability of some of the offense.
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Yeah, I think there is that some of that predictability piece. You know,
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I know if I've gotten to a point where I can see a formation,
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or I can see a piece of motion, or I can see it
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down in distance, and in my head, I can say, up here
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comes this play and then it happens. If I'm saying that, I would
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think that NFL players and opposing coaches are also thinking that same thing or noticing
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that some of that. So I do think there was that element of predictability
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and then pairing it with a lack of creativity and or scheming up of players
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or situations. I think that also culminates and making things feel tight. To
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go back to Ben's comment earlier, what is some nice general comment here from
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a ton of bricks, good evening, Bill's Mafia green Zan appreciate you think
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it for being here. Pete, what's up? Pete? Pete says,
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there's plenty of blame to go around, but the offense wasn't playing up to
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its potential for most of the past six weeks. I think that's a very
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fair comment. I think just what gets muddied with it is how much blame
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falls on Ken Dorsey versus a player execution standpoint, Because I think there's And
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again this is not me saying that Ken Dorsey is blameless. I think there's
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just been so much blame to go around. And again that Broncos game is
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a good microcosm for the Bills offense. You have certain schematic and play calling
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pieces being less than ideal, and then you also have a bunch of individual
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player execution failures. And now maybe for some people, what I'm about to
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say is more of a band aid fix and thus isn't a real quote unquote
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fix, because you know, you think Ken Dorsey is the Antichrist and you
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want him gone. But if there's better execution from an individual players standpoint,
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that Denver game looks vastly different from a game flow perspective, game script perspective,
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and a total points perspective. And I'm not asking for better execution in
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that Denver game or saying if there's better execution, I'm not saying it in
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a way that's asking too much of the players. This is asking for better
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execution, like catch the football. Don't lose the grip on the football when
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you're handing it off. So if Dorsey being fired is the impetus towards better
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execution for the players. If this is one of those like come to Jesus
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moments for Josh Allen or the rest of the offense, and everybody decides,
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you know, hey, we got to get our collective stuff together. If
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that's what leads to better performance for the offense, awesome, Because again,
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why I do think there were schematic issues with Ken Dorsey. I do think
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there was a good or significant amount of blame that needed to be placed onto
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the players from a player execution standpoint. And again I'm not saying that's the
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biggest piece, and you can tie this into the larger conversation piece of regularly
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asking too much of the players, which is something that I think Ken Dorsey
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did. If you are constantly asking your quarterback to go out and have to
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read everything play after play after play from a protection standpoint and a front standpoint
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to a coverage standpoint and a passing concept standpoint. If you're doing that and
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on top of it, asking the receivers and the weapons to have to consistently
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read leverage and coverages with everything the defenses do nowadays, it's understandable while that
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can be why, that can be very mentally taxing, and that's a heavy
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mental load to have to wear, you know, consistently for a team.
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But I so I know the execution piece can fall or tie into the quote
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unquote you know, regularly asking too much of the players, but certain pieces
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that keep I feel like get overlooked to a decent agree, especially when it
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comes to Josh Allen need fixing from an execution standpoint. And again we've talked
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about it with Alan And if you want to blame it on Dorsey, that's
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fair. But some pieces just you can't blame on a coordinator, like the
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failed hot reads pieces, failing in certain some of his passing progressions, his
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decision making, some of his accuracy. Granted, the shoulder injury, I
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think a bit is present to some degree. And so you know, using
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Dorsey is the complete blame for anything and everything that has gone wrong with his
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bills offense, and as a blanket answer or answer or explanation for any player
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execution issue is too much for me. I think tying it all together,
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the bigger issue is the mistakes that were consistently happening or frequently happening, and
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not really showing too much in terms of those mistakes being rectified or being built
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upon or fixed going forward. I think that is the bigger issue. And
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if you want to tie that into Ken Dorsey, that's fine, But it's
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just, you know, again, for this firing, and I know this
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was building right. This isn't just a result or a reaction to a one
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game failure or one game loss. He didn't get fired because the Bills lost
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to the Denver broncos. It was a culmination of a multitude of things,
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maybe even going back to last year for all we know. But and I
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know what Sean mcdermam said in this presser today, but he uses so much
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coach speaking, so much you know, generalization with what he says. I
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don't really buy into too much of what he's selling in press conferences, but
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that piece there, I think there's just there's so many variables and so much
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gray when it comes to where the blame gets put. So, you know,
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I think Pete's comment there is a spot on. There's plenty of blame
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to go around. But the offense wasn't playing up to its potential for most
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of the past six weeks. And I think that's fair, and I think
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some of that's on Dorsey. And I also think some of that's on the
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player execution piece, and you know, maybe Joe Brady taps into the players
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in a different way and gets them to execute at a higher clip, or
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maybe Dorsey getting fired again, is that come to g He's this moment and
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players start to play better or execute better. But there are so many things
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that went wrong for this offense since week five that aren't Ken Dorsey's fault.
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Now, they potentially can stem from Ken Dorsey if you really want to go
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that route, which is fair and understandable. But I think the issues for
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this offense and the issues for Josh Allen and what we're seeing for them on
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the field, I think it's deeper, and it goes further and farther than
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just being like, well, it's Ken Dorsey's fault. Will it's Ken Dorsey's
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fault? Which and I'm not saying Pete, I'm not saying you're saying that.
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I'm just using your comment as the kind of jump off point for that
23:33
what where do we go? Oh? Elizabeth comes in and says, how
23:41
can we honestly believe Dorsey is responsible for the quote unquote neutering of Josh With
23:45
all the comments by McDermott, and Bill Belichick. R J. You're nothing
23:52
if not predictable. RJ saying, I still say the headspace Josh is in.
23:55
It's really Dorsey's fault. Even rookie Josh didn't throw it right at defenders
23:59
like he has done this year. But also even when, like Josh and
24:02
in Brian Dables, last year he had eighteen turnovers, which was the third
24:06
most in the NFL, Josh is a turnover prone quarterback. It's who he
24:08
is. We've talked about it on the show a bunch. It is the
24:12
Yin and yang aspect of Josh Allen. He's He's Brett far of reincarnate.
24:18
He makes some throws and plays that are amazing, and he makes some throws
24:22
and plays that are dumb and no one should ever attempt. And even when
24:25
he makes the dumb ones that no one should attempt, sometimes he still pulls
24:27
those out of his hat. And that's the Yin and Yang and Josh Allen.
24:30
He makes the impossible reel and he makes the basic look complicated and hard
24:36
at times. That's just who he is. But you putting like the poor
24:41
decision making on Josh or on Ken Dorsey, that's again too far, Like
24:45
it's just too much. Like you can't find a way to blame Ken Dorsey
24:49
for Josh Allen looking at a defender and throwing it right at the defender for
24:55
an interception or completely blowing a read. There are certain pieces that regardless of
24:59
cour ordinator, regardless of coaching, our basic football level decisions and or reads
25:04
at the quarterback position, and Josh isn't doing that. And again, if
25:07
you want to tie it into well, Ken Dorsey has made him regressed or
25:11
Ken Dorsey has broken him, or the larger, bigger conversation, I understand
25:15
it for some, but for me that's too far. Like I just you
25:18
can't blame everything on Ken Dorsey. There are certain things schematically or from a
25:23
rhythmic perspective and design and sequencing perspective. I think that's completely fair. There's
25:29
a lot of credence to that, which I've talked about in the show going
25:33
back to last year, myself and Eric are broken down in the film room.
25:34
But man, for a lot of those throws where Alan's just throwing it
25:37
right at dudes or not seeing a guy like, that's not on Dorsey.
25:41
Like there's a bunch of that that's on Josh Allen. We can't give Josh
25:44
Allen a pass for everything. Oh, pops come in and say, we
25:52
need less Hollywood Josh Allen and more wyoming Josh Allen. Oh. I like
25:56
this comment from Roy who says, Hollywood Allen and Hollywood O get the next
25:59
aw you tag team champions. I think that is very good. That is
26:03
very good. Jadub says, it looks to me more like Alan isn't seeing
26:11
what the receivers are seeing on the option routes, even though they're open,
26:14
they aren't going where he expects and missing his throwing windows. I think that
26:18
happens at some time, right. I think that's where you're seeing some of
26:21
the earth on sometimes. I think that's where you're seeing some of the spacing
26:25
issues at times. You know, just guys not seeing things either correctly or
26:29
on the same wavelength, you know, receiver to receiver, receiver to tight
26:32
end, past catching option to Josh Allen, so on and so forth.
26:36
But I think a lot like my my bigger things for the things that Josh
26:38
Allen isn't seeing, we're more just the basic like hot read stuff like okay,
26:42
looking at this guy if that guy blitzes this receiver here is hot cool
26:48
if that guy blitzes you throw it to this receiver and Alan's seeing that and
26:52
not throwing the ball, or Alan not seeing it at all, like there
26:56
were there were the bigger things. I would be more forgiving if it was
27:00
is okay, this was an option route and this guy zig when Alan thought
27:03
he was gonna zag. If it was gonna be that type of thing more
27:07
consistently, But I think it's it's from an Allen failure standpoint, I think
27:11
it's just been more basic level decision making things and pieces where it's just like
27:17
ooh, like that's like he's he was making errors that have nothing to do
27:22
with Dorsey or Gable or whoever's calling the place. Like it's basic. If
27:25
you're a quarterback in high school on a JV team, a hot read is
27:29
a basic thing. That guy blitzes, you throw it to that guy.
27:32
Boom, that's it. Like he was failing on that type of stuff.
27:33
And again, maybe it's connected to a bigger picture and you know what was
27:37
going on with the offense, and maybe Alan's confidence or processing or what maybe
27:41
he was pressing too much for whatever reason. But again, it was just
27:44
a giant disconnect from this offense absolutely as a whole. Oh I gotta stop
27:49
because oh we got multiple super chests. We gotta stop. Just the tippy
27:55
canoe, says Kincaid is coming along. How is Brady going to approach the
27:59
eleven twelve person element once Dawson Knox comes back? Go Bills, appreciate you
28:03
again for being here, and thank you very much of the super chat.
28:04
So I'll go ahead in my notes here, So Joe Brady again offensive coordinator
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in Carolina twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Just for reference, in those
28:15
years, Christian McCaffrey was hurt significantly both in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,
28:18
was on injured reserve for a good chunk of each of those years.
28:21
But in both years twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, Joe Brady used a
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bunch of like heavier or pro personnel alignments. So twenty twenty eighteen percent twelve
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personnel usage rate and eight percent twenty one personnel usage rate and a five percent
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twenty two personnel usage rate, and then in twenty twenty one eighteen percent again
28:42
for twelve, eight percent again for twenty one, and six percent so one
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percent higher for twenty two personnel, but again in twenty twenty one, he
28:52
didn't last all the year. Was fired on December fifth, but got through
28:53
about three quarters of the season. I think you're gonna see Dalton and Kid
29:00
continue to have to be used as a pass catcher in this offense. I
29:03
think again, even though he's only a rookie, he offers a different dynamic
29:07
and a different element to the passing game than Dawson Knox does. Dawson Knox
29:11
is still the better blocker. I don't think that's in question whatsoever, But
29:18
Dalton Kink just offers a different feel, his fluidity, his technicality, his
29:22
ability to process and read leverage and read coverages, in addition to his athleticism.
29:26
He just offers a he's a different type of cat and different type of
29:29
animal when he's out there as a receiver and out there in the route distribution.
29:32
So I think with Dawson Knox coming back, my hope is that Dalton
29:37
Kin Kid is still the number one pass catching tight end option. But it'll
29:41
be see. It'll be interesting to see how much they lean back into the
29:44
twelve personnel piece, which was such a you know, influential personnel grouping to
29:49
start this year and throughout the off season with the drafting of Dalton Kinkaid.
29:53
I do think once Knox comes back, you'll see him use more as that
29:56
in line tight end when they're on the field together. And again, this
30:00
is a personnel grouping that Brady is comfortable with, Like he's comfortable with two
30:06
tight ends on the field, whether it's twelve personnel or twenty two personnel or
30:08
even again depending on how some of these sites classify a full back or a
30:11
tight end or an HVAC that can influence like the twenty one personnel groupings.
30:17
So Brady's used to using heavier personnel groupings and packages in the NFL, and
30:22
then given the state of the wide receivers with this team, you know,
30:26
we'll see what he leans into a lot of It's gonna be a big question
30:29
mark though, to be honest, like, maybe Joe Brady's been sitting there
30:32
the whole time and he thinks Deontay Hardy's amazing and hasn't been used enough.
30:36
Maybe he thinks Khalil Shakir is awesome and hasn't been used enough. Maybe he
30:41
thinks Reggie gilliam is like the key to unlocking the offense, and he leans
30:44
into him a bunch. There's a lot of unknowns and variables when it comes
30:47
to Brady in terms of what he feels and thinks for this offense. But
30:51
going back to his tenure in Carolina, he's you know, he's very comfortable
30:55
leaning into heavier personnel packages like twelve, twenty one, and twenty two.
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Stevens appreciate you being here, Eric, thank you for the super chat.
31:02
Eric says, what should we expect from Brady this week? What would be
31:04
a success metric less option routes, more under center, more than eight points
31:08
in the first half. For me, I'm looking to see how we established
31:12
was the run game initially, And I know that's a lot of a big
31:15
old school mentality for a lot of folks, but I think so much for
31:18
this Bills team stems from their run game. Their EPA per attempt on the
31:25
ground this year their third that includes quarterback runs if you remove quarterback runs,
31:29
their fourth on the year. The run game was a nice piece for them
31:32
to lean into that against the Giants, that was a significant portion of why
31:36
they won that game. The run game was very influential early in the year
31:38
and in their big wins, all of them, you know, the Washington
31:41
game, the Raiders game, the Miami game, the threat of it,
31:45
the presence of it, and the ability to genuinely churn out like five to
31:48
six yards a clip and or some explosives at times. For me, a
31:52
successful piece for Joe Brady is getting that run game established early, leaning into
31:57
tackle wrap and dart and duo and making that piece work. That's Number one
32:02
for me. And then number two is just getting Josh Allen comfortable, like
32:07
what do we see him doing? And again, so much of Alan executing
32:10
and being comfortable is going to again come down to Josh Allen. There's been
32:14
throws all year, you know, from an explosive standpoint, that are available
32:17
downfield in the intermediate or you know, twenty yards and more. There's guys
32:22
that are open. There's throws that are to be made, and Josh just
32:23
hasn't made them. So I think some of this too will come down to,
32:28
you know, if Josh Allen is better, so many of these issues
32:31
and problems go away regardless of who the coordinator is. Right. It's the
32:35
same thing with the other offensive line protection issues the past several years where Josh
32:39
Allen covered up so much of that. But just from a Joe Brady standpoint,
32:43
for me, a success metric is getting that run game going early,
32:46
getting Josh into a rhythm, consistently being able to move the ball like a
32:51
lot of the things honestly that I was measuring Dorsey for with success. Now,
32:53
if the Bills are moving the ball and Alan you know, turns the
32:57
ball over in the low red zone or somebody drops it or there's a fumble,
33:00
I don't really want to There's so many things that can affect how many
33:04
points are scored. So I don't want to judge Joe Brady off of how
33:07
many points this team puts up. I know points are the end all beyond,
33:09
it's what determines the games. But I don't necessarily think that's the best
33:13
metric from a point or process standpoint. So for me, it's Kenny established
33:19
the run. Do we see any little wrinkles? You know, is there
33:22
any more motion? His time in Carolina where notes twenty twenty, they had
33:27
a fifty four percent motion rate, which was the seventh highest in the league.
33:31
And so I oh, also granted with motion, there's a difference in
33:34
using motion to identify coverages versus using motion for leverage and or to create you
33:39
know, space, or create availability or you know, scheme somebody open with
33:44
that piece. So we'll see what kind of motion he potentially leans into.
33:47
But for me, I'm expecting a lot of what we've seen already. As
33:53
disappointing as that may sound, it's a short week with the Bills playing on
33:57
Monday and then having the turnaround time here, so you lose a day,
34:00
and just from the general logistics, it's hard to you're not going to implement
34:05
a brand new offense after week ten in the NFL. The most that you
34:07
can really do is, you know, it's more realistic changes in terms of
34:13
personnel, usages, play calls, overall the sequencing, situational go tos.
34:17
It'll be more like dials and levers being kind of pushed and pulled in different
34:22
direction than it is like getting new buttons and getting new dials and getting new
34:25
levers. So I don't expect the wholesale change. I'm looking to see if
34:29
there's little tweaks here and there from an expectation standpoint. But for success for
34:34
me is getting Josh Allen comfortable and leaning into this run game and letting the
34:38
run game do a lot of the work, which I also think ties into
34:42
getting Josh Allen comfortable. Mas vivis, thank you for being here, thank
34:46
you for the super chat. Maz says, Josh has washed. The best
34:50
we can hope for is a career ending injury. Okay, I'm sorry,
34:53
I can't read that comment, Like, you can't do that, man,
34:57
Why would you? Why would you wishfully hope for a career ending injury to
35:02
a person? That's just that's awful. Man, Like, these guys are
35:07
people. I know you're like a Bills fan. I think are a sports
35:09
fan and you want your team to win, but wishfully hoping for someone to
35:14
get injured and have being a career ending injury. That's a horrible thing to
35:17
wish upon a person. This is a game that, like you know,
35:22
we enjoy watching and for entertainment purposes. But these are still dudes with lives
35:27
and families, and hoping for a career ending injury to someone is a horrible
35:30
things. That's man, that's a horrible thing to wish on a person.
35:37
Let's go to this comment from Theodore. Theodore says Alan is a gun slinger,
35:40
and every gun Slinger needs a good run game and play action pass.
35:44
Dude has had everything on his shoulders. Needs to just take what's there and
35:46
build off of each play and be patient. And here's the piece too,
35:50
right. I think what's interesting. I like this comment from Theodore the whole
35:53
be patient aspect. Alan does it or has done it, but you could
36:00
tell that he's itching to get more into that Gunslinger piece, and I wonder
36:04
if Brady taps into a bit more of the kind of unicorn Josh Allen.
36:08
Granted, I think Dorsey leaned on that a bit too much at times last
36:12
year, but I understand the semblance and the notion from folks where it's like,
36:16
you know, Josh Allen just feels penned in, you know, the
36:19
Newter comment got thrown in there earlier. He just doesn't seem like the same
36:22
alien type of quarterback that he's capable of being. But he does need to
36:28
take what's there more. It's funny, is ultra or hyper efficient as this
36:31
offense has been, sometimes to its own detriment, there's still times where there's
36:37
plays to be made underneath and Alan's just not taking them. You know,
36:43
there's throws that he's taken short that are because they're in the progression and the
36:45
reading that he has to take short. But there are some throws that a
36:49
little check down here or how many smash concepts have we seen where Dalton kon
36:52
kate or someone is open underneath and he's just forcing the ball to that corner
36:55
route or forcing that whole shot, which again he has made at times understandable
37:00
why he takes that risk. Again the yinni yang of Josh Allen. But
37:04
I think starting over with Brady, especially knowing how Josh Allen is, where
37:08
when things go awry, he tries even harder to make up for it,
37:13
and that's when things snowball and can go worse and go bad. The Jets
37:16
game this year in Week one is a perfect example. But I do think
37:20
for this week it's part of the reason why I want the run game established.
37:23
Establish the run game. Let Josh Allen breathe get into a rhythm,
37:27
not have to think that everything is on his shoulders, not getting it in
37:30
his own head too much. Take what's there, build off each play,
37:32
and be patient. Exactly like you said, I think that's a really good
37:36
recipe, especially against a tremendously good defense in the New York Jets. Establish
37:40
the run early, build the play action in RPO game off of that,
37:44
and let the game come to you. I don't know how much pinpoint attacking
37:49
you're going to be doing against this Jets defense, especially with how they've had.
37:51
The Bills offense is number last year and this year. But I think
37:55
that's a good recipe right now. Good run game, play action pass,
38:00
especially for this first week against the Jets. But then potentially going forward,
38:04
simple football right, run it down teams' throat, change the box counts,
38:07
change the safeties on the back end, change the coverages, and then hopefully
38:10
hit some explosives downfield. M M, what comments here? Comments here?
38:22
Oh, super Wave says, do we know a percentage of his interceptions where
38:24
option routes. I don't think that exists as like a metric. It would
38:28
have to be like a charting perspective. And even then you're still kind of
38:32
not guestimating, but you still don't like I can watch a play like seventy
38:37
five times and be pretty confident that like, oh, this is the coverage
38:39
or this is the router, or this is the concept, and there's a
38:42
chance that it's still isn't right. So that's a really hard thing to track.
38:45
But I like where your head is at in terms of trying to pinpoint
38:50
a source of interceptions or turnovers or problems. Mm hm oh, com in
38:58
here. Honestly, even if I don't disagree with firing Dorsey, doing it
39:00
off a loss like this seems so panicked and unplanned that it makes me trust
39:05
McDermott. I think this is a you know, I don't want to get
39:08
into this conversation necessarily right now. We'll see what happens when Kendall joins us
39:13
very shortly. But I think the larger conversation of mcdermot's decision to fire Dorsey,
39:19
and again it goes back to my question earlier, if the if the
39:22
Bills don't have twelve men on the field defensively, that kick has missed the
39:25
Bills when that game, or again, any of the other turnovers drops all
39:30
these things, all these little breadcrumbs that culminated into the loss that happened last
39:35
night. If the Bills beat the Denver Broncos, are we having this conversation
39:39
right now? I think that's a genuine question to ask. If the Bills
39:43
beat the Broncos, last night. I might just be sitting here, you
39:46
know, having a Jets guest on and we're talking Bills Jets, and the
39:50
Bills are six and four, and that's it. Like, if the Bills
39:52
win that game, I don't know, And so I think that's I've been
39:57
very anti fire Sean McDermott just because of the consistency that he's brought to this
40:01
team and how he's pulled this team out from the darkness, him and Brandon
40:05
Bean. But I understand this notion and sentiment of you know, how this
40:07
firing came about, and when it came about, you know, making it,
40:14
having it make you feel like you distrust Sean McDermott a little bit.
40:16
It's understandable common here from Hands and Man saying perhaps a little less complicated offensive
40:22
scheme. Some coordinators get a little full of themselves and get too creative.
40:25
Look what happened in Minnesota by simplifying the offense, had no choice. You
40:29
know, it's interesting. We've heard so many things like laid at the feet
40:31
of kendorsing this offense like it's too simple, it's too vanilla, it's too
40:35
complicated, it asks too much of players. But I do like that notioning
40:38
and tying in with that comment earlier. For me, get back to the
40:43
basics, establish the run, game play, action, pass RPOs, get
40:46
Josh on the move, move the pocket a little bit, make his legs
40:50
a threat again, and try and add that dual threat Josh Allen piece back
40:53
into this offense. I think that's where you start if you're Joe Brady and
40:59
really just I don't think things have completely fallen off the rails. As you
41:02
know, the numbers have indicated again the Bills offense through this week their third
41:08
in DVOA first and success rate third and EPA per play fourth and QBR third
41:13
and yards per play, second and third down conversion percentage, third in red
41:17
zone efficiency, and even if you go from week five when they lost to
41:21
Jacksonville, they're eighth and EPA per play still first in success rate twelfth and
41:24
drop back EPA sixth and drop back success rate third and rush EPA first in
41:30
rush success rate, fifth and third down EPA per play fifth and third down
41:34
conversion over expected, tenth in red zone trips, but second in red zone
41:38
touchdown percentage. If they just limit the turnovers, just the turnover piece or
41:43
the bad penalties that have call cause them to stall all these self inflicted wounds.
41:47
Like this offense almost kind of corrects itself. And again I'm not saying
41:52
that to excuse Ken Dorsey or make him blameless, YadA yadas. Everybody likes
41:55
to jump on, but if they just stop shooting themselves in the foot,
42:00
a lot of this offense works, and a lot of these problems that we've
42:04
been having or been seeing and been talking about kind of correct themselves to a
42:07
bit to a degree. But with that being said, yeah, I think
42:10
get back to basics. Run the ball, play action. Josh Allen's legs
42:15
is a threat. Put defenses in a buying RPOs and attack and that's it.
42:19
Like use that mode of attack, a more straightforward, less option route
42:23
based, less mentally taxing load, maybe a little more locked routes. I
42:27
don't know how hard that's going to be to install at this point, given
42:29
how option based this offense is. But this conversation we're going to have,
42:35
Saba is saying, dani Ro Lobsky's comments on the offense really stand out as
42:38
well. Yeah, Sara Lobsky going off today. Kurt Warner also said some
42:42
stuff that you know, basically contradicted. What it's funny This Bill's team,
42:45
like as being a case study for this season is so funny, Like there
42:49
are so many who are clue or who are tied into it's Dorsey's fault,
42:52
both you know, locally and nationally it's Dorsey's fault. Bill's offense is terrible,
42:58
and then on the other side saying it's not Dorsey's fault, Dorsey's actually
43:01
good. Everyone is everywhere. Again, That's why I think it's so funny
43:05
that this Bill's team is such a focus from a case study perspective. But
43:08
you know, Kurt Warner kind and said some things the opposite of dani or
43:10
Lovsky. It guess it depends on who you subscribe to, you know,
43:14
from a national perspective and national analysis. But you know, I do think
43:19
some of the points Dan made, and it's not just because they echo a
43:22
lot of the points that myself and Eric have made on the film room.
43:23
But I do think the under center piece, the motion piece, the play
43:27
action piece, just a lot of the things that they've been successful with but
43:30
have not leaned into enough. Again, a big one for me is just
43:34
the run game as a whole, Like this Bill's run game has been good.
43:37
A lot of their losses have come when they have not successfully ran the
43:40
football, both from an effectiveness standpoint and or from a volume standpoint. New
43:45
England the first game against the Jets, the game against Cincinnati where they only
43:50
had eight running back carries, like their lack of commitment to the ground game
43:53
makes them one dimensional. It puts more onto Josh Allen and this option based
43:57
offense, and it creates more conflict. So I don't know. Necessarily,
44:01
I didn't see everything that Danie rol Loofskiy said today. Actually it was kind
44:04
of out of pocket for a majority of the day to day. I didn't
44:06
even and I don't have alerts on my phone for Twitter. I found out
44:10
that dors skat fire because my dad texted be and had to pivot and redo
44:14
the entire show for tonight. So I saw some of the stuff Worlofsky said,
44:17
But it depends on who you go to. Like Orlofsky says one thing,
44:20
other analysts and pund and say something else. So it depends on who
44:22
you trust and where you go. Black panther One says there were drops and
44:30
execution problems with Dorsey's offense besides the Dolphins game hasn't been right going back to
44:34
after our first six games last year, So this is this is one I
44:37
pushed back on a lot. I think, well, one last year,
44:40
Alan's elbow injury significantly changed things. He could not make certain throws trajectory based
44:46
and angle based because of how he had to a justice throwing mechanics to correct
44:51
for that torn UCL So that changed some things. But also down the stretch
44:53
last year, a lot of the nature of this Bill's offense. The one
44:58
I use all the time is like how downfield they were and Allen was always
45:00
chucking it downfield. A lot of people laid that at the feet of Door
45:02
Scey, and it wasn't Dorsey's fault. There were other options underneath. Josh
45:07
was very downfield attack happy, but also I think him going downfield was a
45:12
more comfortable throw for him physically because of his elbow injury. I think those
45:15
intermediate laser layered throws were harder to make because the elbow. But even this
45:22
year, besides the Dolphins game, I understand it too from a bigger,
45:27
larger pass perspective, but you go to the Raiders game and how they neutralized
45:31
Max Crosby with tight ends attached to the line of scrimmage and then use those
45:37
tight ends and or running backs chipping out of the backfield to use them to
45:39
build into the route concepts that Josh Allen likes. The Raiders game was very
45:45
well crafted the Washington game from a run game perspective, the concepts that they
45:47
leaned into against the Raiders were different than the concepts they leaned into on the
45:52
ground against Washington, so his ability to change that up and attack. Then
45:55
you had the Miami game. I thought that three game stretch was really very
46:00
good. And then obviously we've had inconsistencies in other games. But even the
46:02
Jets game, I don't think the Jets game plan was terrible against the Jets.
46:07
I put a lot of that loss on Josh Allen. Dorsey put Josh
46:10
Allen in position to succeed against the Jets. Alan failed that game in a
46:15
multitude of ways. Now again, Dorsey could have put him in an even
46:19
better position to succeed. But a lot of the mistakes in that Jets game
46:22
I think came down to Allen. So I don't want to say, you
46:24
know that the Dolphins game was the only game where Dorsey showed out. I
46:29
think he had a lot of positives and a lot of wins in some other
46:30
games, but it was just that up and down in that inconsistency and the
46:35
execution standpoint and how it all tied together. So I understand. I understand
46:37
that piece coming from Jeffrey echoing a lot of similar thought. Josh needs to
46:44
stay under center, established to run more play action, more Kincaid. It's
46:47
gonna be interesting to see what happens when when Dawson Knox comes back, and
46:51
what Dalon Kincaid's role in Snapshare looks like. Ooh, interesting comment here from
46:57
DF Forever saying an if we do not make the playoff, says mcdeon the
47:00
hot seat, you know it's and also do all approach from two perspectives.
47:06
If if I think he's on the hot seat and if he will be,
47:09
I don't think he will be. I don't think Terry Pegoula is ready to
47:13
get rid of Brandon Being and Sean McDermott unless something dire or drastic happens.
47:19
I will say if he if the Bills don't make the playoffs, I think
47:23
everything is free game to kind of come at Sean McDermott again, I see
47:29
all the sides of it. I understand the cases you can make for everything,
47:30
Like I know what Sean McDermott has been to this team and this franchise
47:35
and turning them from a drought era laughingstock to a consistent division winning Super Bowl
47:42
threat year after year. But there's also the other conversation on the other side
47:45
of the coin, where it's like, if you just the goal is to
47:49
win super Bowls and championships, and if you can't get your team over the
47:52
hump and you're failing to meet expectations, when do you pull the plug at
47:55
a certain point. Now there's a risk reward to all of that and to
47:59
each pece in that conversation. But if the Bills don't make the playoffs,
48:02
I think McDermott is on the hot seat nationally and with the fan base for
48:06
sure. Will he actually be on the hot seat with Terry Pagoula, I
48:09
don't know, because Terry is kind of like a hard guy to read and
48:15
predict. But if the Bills don't make the playoffs, yeah, I think
48:17
McDermott will be on the hot seat nationally and with the fans. What the
48:21
expectations were for this team coming into the year, which is interesting Dan's comment
48:25
here, saying Dan or Lovsky commented that Dorsey call plays that required an execution
48:30
level of ten out of ten as opposed to calling plays with an easier level
48:32
of execution. Do you think this is accurate to a degree? And I
48:36
think this ties into what I said earlier and with myself and Eric have talked
48:38
a bunch on the film room. The bills offense is very okay. If
48:44
it's this coverage, do this, If it's that coverage, do this.
48:45
If your defender does this, you do that. And so it's a lot
48:49
of reading leverage and reading coverage, and when it works, it's beautiful because
48:52
you cannot defend it. If you are basing your routes and your concepts and
48:57
your decisions off of what the defense is doing, they literally cannot stop you
49:01
because whatever they do, they're wrong. It's kind of like an RPO,
49:05
right, you give that run action. If that defender comes forward, you
49:10
hit the receiver behind him. If that defender stays, you have an advantage
49:14
in the box. In theory, you hand it off and you get some
49:16
yards on the ground. If you were running this like high execution option based
49:21
offense. When it works, it's indefensible and you're unstoppable. Problem is,
49:25
it wasn't working a bunch, So I don't know if they required an execution
49:30
level at ten out of ten. I do think it was an execution level
49:34
that, you know, ask them to operate at a higher level and at
49:39
a higher clip, because it was more read and react base than just straight
49:44
up lock concepts. Here is the play go out or scheming somebody open.
49:47
So I do think to a degree it was decently again, decently accurate,
49:53
But I don't know if ten out of ten, but it is it is
49:55
an offense that requires high execution from this team. Oh, Kendall's about to
50:02
come in messaging him right now. That's cool. And you know again Daniel
50:12
Lotski has been really tied into this offense this year, so it's understandable to
50:15
see what his perspective has been. Super way of saying, option routes also
50:20
delay time to throw also, no, I mean in theory, yeah,
50:22
because if something if it takes you an extra half a second to read what's
50:27
going on if you're the receiver and get to your route, if it takes
50:29
Josh an extra half a second to read what's happening that piece, it all
50:32
ties together, but without further ado. Someone who is a regular guest on
50:37
the show, someone who worked with myself in Eric in the film room.
50:40
Someone who I'm very excited to welcome back, mister Kendall Mursky who. Yeah,
50:45
I'm just very excited to have Kendall. He's not on camera. He's
50:49
a little bit like Bruce Nolan right now, a little bit of a recluse,
50:52
I guess now, kind of hiding behind the shadows. But Kendall,
50:55
thank you for taking the time, Thank you for joining me. I'll pump
50:58
to have you back, make sure you're off mute, and then what's up?
51:00
How are you feeling? Can you hear me? Can hear you?
51:05
Oh my godh wow, it's it's been a minute. It was also a
51:08
race against the clock just to get here before I missed all the fun topics.
51:12
But oh, there's been there's been a lot of fun topics. There's
51:15
been a lot of fun. I can only imagine a lot of a lot
51:22
of Oh, ken, I fell off. But we're gonna keep this conversation
51:24
going. Let's go to We're gonna pull up more comments as Kendall reconnects.
51:32
There. Ah, this is a good question here from Bills Are Electric.
51:42
My question is who is the hire is oc for twenty twenty four? In
51:45
my opinion, Brady is just a placeholder. That's a real interesting one because
51:52
I don't know how much of this is an audition for him versus like a
51:59
realistic to win the job. I mean, if everything clicks in this Bill's
52:01
offense turns around and they go on a hot run and get on a heater
52:05
and go to the playoffs and go to the super Bowl like cool, like,
52:07
you could see him being the offensive coordinator for twenty twenty four. But
52:10
what's an interesting piece is when you have and we've seen it already to a
52:15
degree from a talent perspective and from a coaching perspective. You see it all
52:17
the time with the good or consistent football teams. The Chiefs are a good
52:21
example. I guess, well maybe minus Eric the enemy. But when you
52:24
have a team that wins consistently or has good players or good pieces, usually
52:30
you get that. You know that quote unquote brain drain from your staff,
52:32
and it obviously we've seen it too. Agree with the Bills right, Joe
52:35
Shane left, Brian Dable left those pieces. If you get it. If
52:38
Joe Brady comes in and this Bill's offense catches fire and does big things,
52:43
I don't know, does he get looks at head coach for next year?
52:45
Like everybody's always looking to hire the next young, impactful offensive mind and take
52:51
an offensive coordinator and make him a head coach. So, you know,
52:54
I think Brady's just a placeholder for right now. Again, we have to
52:58
see what he brings to this team. There's a lot up in the air
53:00
when it comes to you know, we know what Joe Brady was with LSU,
53:04
We know what he was with Carolina, which was not good. But
53:07
then there was that Matt Ruhle influence that kind of hand over him that for
53:09
that entire time and his tenure. We know they clashed and they you know,
53:13
had had a big situation of button heads when it came to you know,
53:16
offensive philosophy and design and ideology of how they were going to operate.
53:22
But I think there's a lot that's up in the air again for Joe Brady.
53:25
But if he has a great year, I don't know, does he
53:27
get looked somewhere else? And does he try to go somewhere else? The
53:30
situation they could be and is having kind of a rotating offensive coordinator kind of
53:34
year after a year if they continue to hit on potential cylinders. But you
53:37
know, I think that's a really good question because if he hits, does
53:39
he stay next year? Does he go somewhere else? Does he get offers
53:43
if he fails or if this team doesn't make the playoffs, He's most definitely
53:45
not going to be the offensive coordinator in twenty twenty four, but will see
53:50
what potentially happens. All Right, Kendall's back in. So you just thought
53:52
you were going to come in and say hi and then just like leave the
53:54
show. I mean, oh, when it happened again, I give up.
54:00
I give up. Kendo's fixing his comments. That'd be funny if I
54:02
just dropped him just to do it to him. Jack comeing in and saying,
54:07
I don't blame Dorsey entirely, but he ain't helping Allen. That's a
54:10
fact in time for a change, you know. And again that's the bigger
54:15
piece, and that's the conversation. Like, at the end of the day,
54:20
this offense wasn't getting it done. I'm still torn with it, with
54:23
the notion and the idea of like firing Ken Dorsey, mainly because again,
54:27
if they win that game last night, I guess my bigger gripe with it
54:30
is the game that it came off of, because I don't think the failures
54:35
on offense last night were due to Ken Dorsey, as even Dutch flat says
54:39
in the comments, Dorsey didn't put twelve men on the field goal attempt like
54:44
there were so and even just focusing on the offense again, the Cook fumble,
54:49
the Alan fumble, the Allen interception, the drops and those drops came
54:53
in big moments like Gabe Davis was on a third down and it led to
54:57
an interception. Diggs had to drop. At one point, Dalton Kin Kid
55:00
had a drop that was on a third down and would have gotten a first
55:02
down. All these pieces that went against the offense were not Ken Dorsey's fault.
55:07
So this firing coming after that game is I think what really kind of
55:12
gets me the most. But again, if you're Sean McDermott, you're this
55:15
team and you're thinking, you know, all those execution errors are stemming from
55:19
Ken Dorsey, and they are Ken Dorsey's fault. And you know, you're
55:24
blaming the drops and the turnovers on everybody playing so tight because they're not comfortable
55:30
in Dorsey's scheme or offense or whatever. Maybe that's a bigger conversation, but
55:34
I understand like the bigger pictures, especially for fans thinking like with what we've
55:37
seen since week five, you know, and thinking it's time for a change.
55:39
I guess the bigger problem for me is the game that it came off
55:42
of, because I don't think last night was Ken Dorsey's fault at all.
55:46
Kendall, Let's try one more time? Are you just I'm ditching the podcast,
55:51
Mike. It it will not work. Oh were you sound good?
55:53
Okay, that's that's good to know. Well, show finally be here,
56:00
you know, third time is the charm? Absolutely that was miserable, but
56:04
yeah, no, I'm happy to be here. Unfortunate circumstances of being here,
56:08
but happy to be here. Nonetheless getting to talk to you again about
56:12
Bill's football. You already got a comment from someone said, isn't it past
56:15
Kendall's bedtime? Many West Coast? For me? So it's seven pm?
56:21
That's right. I love though that, Like everybody still like recognizes you and
56:24
appreciates you and just the immediate jokes that are coming to you right away.
56:29
But Kendall so and I guess I've had like different banners up at different points,
56:31
but I guess the conversation right now, I'll leave this banner up.
56:35
You know, for you how much blame should be put on Ken Dorsey for
56:39
not even just for last night, which I know you and I both agree
56:43
that last night wasn't really a Ken Dorsey problem type of game, but what
56:45
we've seen from this Bill's offense this year, especially since that game against Jacksonville
56:50
in Week five where things started to fall off the rails a little bit,
56:54
you know, despite all the metrics and everything we've seen. You know,
56:57
how much blame do you put on Ken Dorsey for the fail or struggles of
57:00
this offense really that we've seen the last month or so. I feel like
57:05
the weirdest thing is, I think a lot of my issues with Ken Dorsey
57:09
it wasn't even schematic. It was it was so much more about managing personalities.
57:15
And by personalities, I think I just mean Josh Allen, like,
57:20
it's so much more just about being a leader of men, which is a
57:22
really weird thing. To say, because he was, you know, the
57:24
quarterback of a really great college team and he was literally a leader of men,
57:30
and I mean he is as an offensive coordinator, like he did have
57:34
success to a level, you know, to a degree, but I just
57:38
feel like there's there was so much like there was a lack of congruency,
57:44
I guess in the vision of Sean McDermott and then how Ken Dorsey was managing
57:51
Josh Allen the person, because I think there was so much that aligned between
57:58
Ken Dorsey and Josh Allen from just I'm gonna be this, you know,
58:01
gunslinger. I'm gonna go for everything, I'm gonna get after it. I'm
58:07
gonna throw the ball down the field as much as possible, Like there was
58:09
so much alignment between those two. But then there's this mentality from Sean McDermott,
58:16
which I love, but I don't know if it necessarily makes sense for
58:20
Josh Allen, is you know, let's matriculate the ball down the field.
58:24
Let's be methodical, like we don't need all these shot plays. But we're
58:29
in this weird world of football where people are playing two high safety defenses and
58:36
they're kind of forcing you to be methodical and keeping everything in front of them.
58:39
Like it's just a really weird time I think for all of this to
58:45
be taking place because we're coming off the heels of Dable And I mean,
58:50
let's not forget the times when everyone was calling for his job as offensive coordinator,
58:53
which is really funny to look back on. Every time the Bills played
58:57
Jags in like a regular season, it's just fire. The OC, right,
59:00
is just death sentence. But uh, I mean specifically the last night
59:07
I think is funny, Like last night, what happened yesterday. I'm gonna
59:12
shout out a friend. My friend Ryan asked me, like midway through the
59:15
game, you think anyone gets fired after this game, And I was like,
59:17
no, not a chance, Like they got to see things out,
59:21
like this is a bad game even if they lose. This Like a lot
59:24
of this is execution of the players, like they got to see out the
59:28
season and then the way the game was lost, even though it literally was
59:34
not Dorsey's fault for losing in the way that they did. Yeah, because
59:39
of the position that they were in to win in a game that they shouldn't
59:43
have been in at all, Like it kind of then shifts the plane back
59:49
to Dorsey, where it's like, well, you know, all these mistakes
59:52
keep happening, and you are the orchestrator of this offense, So at what
59:57
point is the execution of the players actually you So I've kind of been going
1:00:01
back and forth on how much blame I actually put on him and how much
1:00:05
I actually put on the players, because I mean, the Cook fumble is
1:00:08
bad. I mean, the guy never has two hands on the football when
1:00:12
he's carrying, like when he goes into traffic, like you rarely ever see
1:00:15
him do that two hand cover up thing, Like it really doesn't happen for
1:00:19
him. Davis. We know the drops issues, like it's been well documented.
1:00:22
Kinkaid somehow has more drops in six games or whatever than he has in
1:00:28
his entire college. And last night, you know things are going bad when
1:00:32
Stefan Diggs drops the ball, Dalton Kin kid drops the ball and then Russell
1:00:36
Wilson hit that touchdown to Courtland Sutton. I was just like, Okay,
1:00:38
hey, I don't know if you saw the tweet most improbable completion in the
1:00:43
next gen stats era that's twenty sixteen, it was three point two something like
1:00:47
that. Ridiculous, And you know what I saw too. Somebody compared it
1:00:51
to like the shot that he hit the Tyler Lockett, which is also like
1:00:54
a really low probability literally a throwback to all of those like Atti versus Screen
1:01:00
Bay winners. Like it's just brutal, like and when when that happens,
1:01:05
and then you get the drops that happen on offense, it's just not your
1:01:07
night and oh one thousand percent, And what I was talking about earlier before,
1:01:14
you know, you tried to pretend like your mic wasn't working. You
1:01:16
just wanted to try and show me up the the you mentioned the Cook fumble
1:01:21
to like the first one to start out like that, omens? Can you
1:01:24
So the Bills win the toss and take the ball like and you know that
1:01:30
was a statement to take it to be like, you know what, we're
1:01:32
going to drive down We're coming off the heels of the Bengals game, coming
1:01:37
off the players only meeting, like they hear the noise and they know what's
1:01:39
going on. You know, we're taking the ball boom, We're gonna we're
1:01:43
gonna take it downfield. We're gonna score. And the very first play you
1:01:46
fumbled, Like can you imagine the feeling for that offense where you're just like,
1:01:51
dude, like we're cursed, Like did somebody like is this a part
1:01:53
of the Caribbean situation where somebody like we took these coins and now our souls
1:01:58
are all gone like it just then you bring it up. That actually makes
1:02:01
me put a little bit more blame on Ken Dorsey because right after that fumble,
1:02:07
you saw Sean Payton decide, all right, I've just been gifted a
1:02:13
free possession after they decided to receive the ball, which they've never done this
1:02:17
year. After winning a coin toss, They've decided to do this stupid analytical
1:02:22
thing, which is accept the ball, and they gave us a possession.
1:02:27
I'm gonna be very, very very conservative, and I'm not gonna get a
1:02:31
turnover and give it back to them. I'm gonna play really conservative because they're
1:02:36
giving me house money right now. And he continued to do that through the
1:02:39
entire game because the Bills kept gifting the Broncos extra possessions and he stayed conservative,
1:02:46
stayed conservative, and it allowed the Bills to stay in the game.
1:02:50
To be completely honest, but at the same time, Dorsey never realized that
1:02:54
it was a field possession game. From that point on, like it was
1:02:59
never really a shootout. It was always very similarly to the Jets game,
1:03:04
like they're not going to keep up with you. On offense, you just
1:03:07
need to play the field position game or put any kind of points on the
1:03:12
board. It's not like you're playing the Chiefs. You don't need to be
1:03:15
you know, scoring touchdowns in the red zone, like literally any points will
1:03:20
help against an offense like the Jets, like the Broncos, Like there's a
1:03:23
specific style of opponent that you need to adapt to. You don't need to
1:03:29
play every single team like they're the Chiefs, the Chargers, like these high
1:03:32
octane offenses, and I think we've kind of gotten stuck in that mentality and
1:03:38
it's been the stuck piece is what I keep coming back to for everything for
1:03:45
this offense, like the in and the phrasing I've been using on the showing
1:03:50
on Twitter as a whole like chicken egg scenario for like all these issues that
1:03:52
have been going on for the offense, because there's issues for me, there's
1:03:57
issues like schematically and I think schematic and also from a sequencing perspective for this
1:04:02
offense, especially with the up and down commitment to the run game, and
1:04:08
especially when it is effective and it's kind of just disappears and then comes back,
1:04:11
and the time it takes for Dorsey to adjust end game when things kind
1:04:15
of hit the wall or hit the fan and don't go well. So there's
1:04:18
been issues for me schematically and from a sequencing perspective, but I've also had
1:04:23
a lot of gripes with the player execution piece, specifically Josh Hallen. But
1:04:28
then it kind of just felt like we were stuck in this loop where it
1:04:30
was like, well is it Alan, Well, is it Dorsey? Well?
1:04:33
Is it Alan? Well? Is it Dorsey? And there were all
1:04:35
these pieces where Dorsey would call a player, there'd be something that wasn't great
1:04:40
schematically, but then Alan would compound that badness and make things work with a
1:04:45
bad decision or a bad throw or there were times where things did work from
1:04:48
a schematic or a sequencing perspective, but Alan failed, and it just seemed
1:04:53
like no matter what they did, they just could not get out of their
1:04:57
own way. And I hate talking about it because there's nothing quantifiable or qualitative
1:05:01
when it comes to being snake bit or having bad luck. But you look
1:05:04
at the turnover pieces for this team, and I think that's the bigger conversation
1:05:09
with the EPA piece, or a bigger conversation within the EPA conversation. And
1:05:14
you know, I know, Breck home and put out that video over the
1:05:15
weekend, and I disagreed with a bunch of it, but I loved his
1:05:19
piece or the point on EPA because the whole thing with EPA and everybody in
1:05:24
their mother and you know this has been thrown out what like advanced metrics suck
1:05:27
because EPA says the Bills offense is good and I'm seeing with my eyes that
1:05:30
they're not, So these metrics must suck. The whole piece with EPA is
1:05:35
that it's expected points. So the Bills offense is making all these plays and
1:05:41
going on these drives where the data says, oh, you guys have done
1:05:44
really good. You should probably score x amount of points on this drive,
1:05:46
and then they have a turnover or a drop or a penalty that kills them
1:05:50
comes out of nowhere and it's done. But the problem is those drive killers
1:05:56
or those drive stalling pieces aren't enough to take away like you lose it expected
1:06:00
points in that, but it's not enough to take away from the total expected
1:06:02
points that you generated on those individual drives, and that's been what's so maddening,
1:06:09
Like this Bill's team moves the ball so well and then it's literally like
1:06:13
one thing per drive and they get completely derailed. And then that ties into
1:06:16
your I think your other point there of you know when that's happened in the
1:06:20
past, i'dan like, oh cool, it's like second and sixteen or first
1:06:24
and twenty. Cool, we'll hit like a seventeen yard game and we'll get
1:06:26
right back on track. But with what defenses are doing now, not just
1:06:29
against the Bills, but in the larger perspective in the NFL, like those
1:06:32
explosives are down. Now you're forced to be efficient, You're forced to matriculate
1:06:38
the ball, and that is not the world that Josh Allen likes to live
1:06:41
in regularly. And then you add in schematics or individual mental pieces on top
1:06:45
of it, and we just go round and round on this circle of being
1:06:47
stuck. I think that's like the thing I'm most excited about, just turning
1:06:51
the page and kind of spinning it forward. I'm back to managing Josh Allen.
1:06:57
I'm really interested to see what Joe Brady does in these situations. Where
1:07:01
and I feel like all season talk about getting snake bitten the achilles heel for
1:07:06
this Bills team is failing on first down. Like if there's a failure on
1:07:11
first down, it seems like the drive ends and they cannot overcome anything that
1:07:15
happens after that, if it's a sack, if it's just an incompletion,
1:07:19
like if there is any inefficiency on first down this team, and it feels
1:07:25
like maybe it is a Ken Dorsey thing. Maybe it is that that mentality
1:07:29
alignment between Dorsey and Allen. Oh it's second and ten, it's second and
1:07:32
fifteen, whatever it is. They're trying to get it all back on second
1:07:35
down, Like if it's second and ten, if it's second and fifteen,
1:07:40
second and twenty because of a holding cult, whatever it is, just get
1:07:44
half of it back, get sixty six percent of it back, you know,
1:07:46
like just get yourself into third and manageable. Because this team is I
1:07:51
think top five, top seven or something in third down completion or third down
1:07:57
conversion rate. Like this team is good on third down, but on the
1:08:00
year, they are second in third down conversion percentage. And if you just
1:08:04
take it from week five through now, when they've been bad. They're fifth
1:08:09
and third down conversion over expected, right, And I mean, and to
1:08:13
be fair back to even the EPA point, I think a lot of the
1:08:16
funny and ironic part is the way that this team wins sometimes is on offense
1:08:24
so unexpected, and and that speaks to the unsustainability of it. Then the
1:08:29
turnovers, you know, So it's almost like an oxymoron given the the EPA
1:08:33
conversation where it's like, well, the ways they're creating this EPA is so
1:08:39
unexpected that it's also so unsustainable and so what are we doing here? Like,
1:08:45
and then it plays into Sean McDermott maybe kind of being like, yeah,
1:08:47
well maybe we need to be a little more methodical, even though defenses
1:08:50
are you know, we're playing into the hand of defense is making us that
1:08:54
way. But if everyone's gonna zig, like you kind of have to zag.
1:08:59
And it's really just an interesting landscape given the way the NFL is going,
1:09:03
given Josh Allen's skill sets, not neutralizing those skill sets, but also
1:09:10
playing into the shift of the league as a whole. So it's a really
1:09:14
interesting conversation, really frustrating that it's panned out in this way for US this
1:09:18
season. But I am weirdly excited to see how the managing of honestly a
1:09:27
lot of talent on offense is going to be going forward. Yeah, that's
1:09:30
a point I want to pivot to, and then we're gonna start talking about
1:09:32
Joe Brady or potentially what to expect going forward. But the unexpected piece that
1:09:38
you mentioned, I just kind of want to build upon that. Like,
1:09:40
it's so much of this offense, and I'm not saying this positively or negatively,
1:09:45
So much of this offense is tied to the yin and yang and the
1:09:48
controlled chaos that is Josh Allen. Yeah, like the throat, the interception,
1:09:56
Well, Cam Taylor Britt when he picked off Alan against Cincinnati cover two,
1:10:00
he just sinks the whole time, doesn't do doesn't even honor anything underneath,
1:10:03
Like that throw is never there. He is. He is sinking the
1:10:06
whole time. Right, that's a stupid throw. You should not attempt that.
1:10:12
It wasn't there. But also if Alan puts it a bit more upfield,
1:10:15
it could be completed. And also even though it's a stupid throw and
1:10:20
you shouldn't attempt it, we've seen him pull harder throws. Yeah, he
1:10:25
makes two or three of those a game, and it then is feeding the
1:10:28
beast, yes, And so you go there and it's like that's what it
1:10:31
is. But then then like you said, that's not sustainable, like you
1:10:38
cannot and even and I hate using the Brett fav komp but I think it's
1:10:42
pretty accurate. Like even Mike Holmgren one of the greatest offensive minds of all
1:10:46
time and like one of like the the patron sons of the West Coast offense
1:10:50
and how he learned it and bringing it to Green Bay, and what he
1:10:54
did with Brett Favre, like he could not reign Brett Favan all the time,
1:10:57
he could not control the beast that was Brett fav And they had to
1:11:00
ride the roller coaster that was Brett far of fire and darts that made you
1:11:03
go wow. And then Brett Favre thrown an interception that made you go wow.
1:11:09
And that's what Josh Allen is, for better or for worse. And
1:11:12
so I wonder in the larger landscape, can someone whether it's Joe Brady or
1:11:17
whoever the next offensive coordinator is, or if things really go off the rails
1:11:21
this year and Sean McDermot gets fired and get a new head coach that comes
1:11:25
in, and if it's an offensive guy, so on and so forth,
1:11:28
Like can you rain Josh Allen in and make him operate within structure while also
1:11:34
not taking away that controlled chaos piece that makes him so successful? And because
1:11:41
when he's on, like, it's similar to Patrick Mahomes, but Mahomes just
1:11:44
doesn't shoot himself in the foot as much as Josh Allen does. Like when
1:11:47
I think the big part is, let's not forget Mahomes' first year was literally
1:11:51
all about raining and who he was. Josh Allen literally never had the pieces
1:11:57
around him from a mentoring process to ever go through that, And so I
1:12:02
wonder, like, can they find that guy to rain Josh Allen? Because
1:12:06
one thing I think I think all the time I love Ben Johnson as Lions
1:12:12
offense coordinator. I know a lot of people do, but like watching their
1:12:15
offense last year in preparation for that Thanksgiving game was when I really I hadn't
1:12:17
watched a lot of Lions tape at all before that game, and I followed
1:12:20
him through the rest of the year, and they're obviously crushing it again this
1:12:24
year, and I see so many comps for like oh, Ben Johnson would
1:12:27
be great. Ben Johnson will be great, But so much of that Lions
1:12:29
offense is based on timing and progressions and reads like you would and I'm not
1:12:33
saying Josh Allen would be a square peg in a round hole in that offense,
1:12:36
but it would be a challenge, Like you can't just take Josh Allen
1:12:40
and drop him into Jared Goff's role because they're too Yeah, they're two completely
1:12:44
different quarterbacks. But then you could make the case on the other end,
1:12:46
well, maybe the offense is like that because there is no chaos creation potential
1:12:51
with Jared goffin you need everything to work on time and in rhythm. But
1:12:56
it's such an interesting conversation because you want you want that high variance explosive ability
1:13:02
that Josh Allen has with his arm and with his leg, but you also
1:13:05
sometimes need him to take a breath and take what's being given to him.
1:13:10
And I think it's and this again, is it me given Dorsey pass,
1:13:13
I think that's gonna be hard for anybody to rein in. You have to,
1:13:15
like you got to be like Blade, you have to live in the
1:13:18
light and the dark, like you have to be a day walker. And
1:13:20
that's not like that's not a regular thing, Like that's super hard. No,
1:13:24
I completely agree, and I'm I'm very open about and I've been this
1:13:30
way for a few years now. I'm very open about being against Josh Allen's
1:13:32
play style. Like I think being beaten up by Tom Brady my entire my
1:13:38
entire childhood like kind of made me fall in love with the methodical approach of
1:13:42
quarterbacking. But like, let's be honest, this is the best quarterback we've
1:13:45
seen in Buffalo for some time, So you kind of have to take the
1:13:48
good with the bad. So even that real quick like did you see the
1:13:50
video where like Alan and Brady were whatever and Brady's talking about like checking it
1:13:56
down and taking what Josh just like, no, then I think, no,
1:14:00
just like and it's it's honestly, it sucks, but it's also fine
1:14:05
because it's it literally has gotten us to this point of hope, is it
1:14:10
is it fine fine? Or is it the dog with the at the table
1:14:13
and everything surrounded by fire going it's fine. It's the dog at the table
1:14:16
saying it's fine. But there is potential to, like, I don't know,
1:14:20
maybe cook up some food with that fire. Like you know what I
1:14:24
mean, Like there are some positives to the fire going on around you,
1:14:27
Like, yeah, like you can make some positive out of it. And
1:14:30
I think that's that is what Josh Allen is like, it's fine, we're
1:14:34
just we're burning, but like, let's find the positive from this burning.
1:14:39
Who's got some steaks? Yeah, we grow some steaks, grow up.
1:14:44
And so with everything that's gone down leading to the firing of Ken Dorsey,
1:14:50
good move, bad move? Are you cool with it because it did you
1:14:54
just think it was time for a change. Do you really think that the
1:14:58
multitude of issues here on offense? And again, I know it's there.
1:15:00
There is some semblance to the notion of you know, everything starts from the
1:15:04
top down, so you know it head's got a roll at some point.
1:15:08
But where do you sit overall? Like on the Dorsey firing, are you
1:15:10
cool with it? Do you think it was justified? Do you not like
1:15:13
the game that it came after so it made you like a little less comfortable
1:15:16
with it? What are your thoughts overall on the Dorsey firing and where this
1:15:19
offense has been overall? I think it was both warranted and unfair. I
1:15:27
believe that he everything that has happened over the last two years with the offense,
1:15:33
just having these weird spurts, just kind of sputtering around, just really
1:15:38
no identity, like what's going on, what's the thing that they go back
1:15:41
to, and then still being really good metrically and still finding ways to put
1:15:47
it together and still win games. Makes me feel like perhaps it was a
1:15:53
little it was a little unfair, especially because of what happened last night,
1:15:59
and it makes me feel like he's just a scapegoat. But at the same
1:16:01
time, let's be honest, like I just said, there were a lot
1:16:06
of reasons, like the writing was on the wall for this, Like even
1:16:11
let's say the Bills make the playoffs. Let's say Dorsey made it through the
1:16:15
year, the Bills made the playoffs, they get bounced in the first round,
1:16:18
Like he's probably getting fired, you know what I mean, So the
1:16:21
writing was on the wall. I just feel like, particularly after this game,
1:16:27
it was kind of a scapegoat moment where it's like, we need to
1:16:30
quiet the fan base, the media, we need to divert attention from maybe
1:16:34
what's really happening. And I'm and this kind of brings me into my next
1:16:39
point, which is Look, I'm not one to say that Sean McDermott should
1:16:43
be fired, especially at this juncture, especially where he's gotten this team in
1:16:45
the last six years or whatever it's been. But I'm finally starting to willing
1:16:50
to listen to arguments like I've been an apologist for years over that, like
1:16:55
every close game, Oh, you know, roll roll all the heads,
1:16:59
like get rid of mcdermoty, you know, and yeah, like he has
1:17:00
had a lot of mismanaging moments, but let's be honest, like him forcing
1:17:06
the Broncos to kick that Bonzie field goal was fantastic game clock management to use
1:17:12
those two timeouts and realize that if I use these strategically, it will force
1:17:16
them to be in a position of do we want Josh Allen to have thirty
1:17:19
seconds in two timeouts on the clock, or do we want to kick a
1:17:25
Bonzye field goal? Like Sean McDermott made that Bonzie field goal happen and they
1:17:30
missed. However, obviously twelve men on the field, and then that falls
1:17:33
on the person with the most responsibility over the team, which is Sean McDermott.
1:17:38
So it's very ironic in that way. So I'm very I'm very open
1:17:43
to listening to those arguments for the first time, I think in the McDermott
1:17:46
era. This question got posed to me earlier in the chat, and I'm
1:17:49
gonna ask it you now. If the Bills don't make the playoffs this year,
1:17:55
how much is Sean McDermott on the hot seat for you? And if,
1:18:00
oh, how much? I think it really depends on the record,
1:18:02
especially considering the opponents ahead. I believe it's a tough the tied for third
1:18:09
toughest remaining schedule in the NFL at this point, so like it it's a
1:18:14
gauntlet down the stretch, Like I'd be happy to get to nine ten wins,
1:18:17
and I think I don't know if that's enough to even get in the
1:18:20
playoffs given the AFC picture right now. But you know what I mean,
1:18:24
Like, if it finishes at nine to ten, given shaking up the offensive
1:18:28
coordinator, I don't know if that's enough to like really put them on the
1:18:30
hot seat. But it also depends on all the context going into each one
1:18:34
of those games, Like do they drop a game to the Chiefs, do
1:18:38
they drop a game too. I'm trying to think of another AFC opponent,
1:18:42
like the Chargers, like obviously they've beaten up on NFC opponents and lost to
1:18:45
ALLFC opponents, which is even worse. The fact that there they've got five
1:18:49
losses and an all five are in conference is driving. It's the worst.
1:18:55
It couldn't go any worse. But that's what I mean, Like it really
1:18:58
depends on the cunt text. Like if those are close losses, specifically to
1:19:02
AFC opponents, when you know they're big games, yes, then I think
1:19:06
I'm like, Okay, this is a realistic thing. He is on the
1:19:10
hot seed, like they should start looking around and see what's out there,
1:19:13
but like what's out there? And I think that's like the that's the bigger
1:19:19
conversation, like there, what's what's the phrase? The uh? Like the
1:19:23
devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Yeah, and not
1:19:26
saying the victim'son devil, but what we've we've seen this franchise, and I
1:19:30
don't think you can operate necessarily out of fear or fear of the unknown.
1:19:33
But yeah, man, Like it's even Ben Johnson, as much as everybody
1:19:39
loves Ben Johnson, always a funny and ac a comment from Nikki gi that
1:19:42
literally says a hashtag hire Ben Johnson, like for all we know, like
1:19:45
Ben Johnson could be terrible, Like right, there's still people who want to
1:19:48
run. Zach Taylor was the hot name. I know the Bengals have been
1:19:50
to a super Bowl obviously, but hey, he had a tough first few
1:19:55
years. Like yeah, he was on the hot seat for like two full
1:19:58
seasons. They people hated him, like they wanted him out. There's still
1:20:01
people that when they lost that Super Bowl, I know, like Bengals fans
1:20:05
personally, and then a bunch even on Twitter that were like, you know
1:20:09
what sucks now is we went to the Super Bowl, which means Zach Taylor
1:20:12
will get another like two seasons, Like he sucks so bad, And it's
1:20:15
just like damn exactly. No one likes the devil, they know, no,
1:20:19
And there's always some risk with bringing in someone new, like there's there's
1:20:23
there's no guarantee for anyone in any way, shape and form, And it's
1:20:27
possible to go back. Is it possible to elevate this team and get him
1:20:30
over the hump with a new coach and staff? Absolutely? Is it possible
1:20:32
that this team goes back to the Dark Ages and everything goes terrible again absolutely,
1:20:38
like it's it's you're running that risk reward potential and opportunity, And it's
1:20:43
just so wild to even I like have that conversation with how this season has
1:20:46
gone so far, like even with the loss of the Jets, and again
1:20:50
which I think more of that game fell on Josh Allen than it did coaching
1:20:56
staff or schematics, Like there were plays that were available there to be made,
1:20:59
and Josh just was like nope, yolo, and was making throws left
1:21:02
and right that shouldn't have been made. And they lost that game. But
1:21:04
then they course corrected and they pounded the Raiders, and they pounded Washington with
1:21:09
good offensive design and defensive game planning, and then they stopped Miami and the
1:21:15
injuries happen and the offense gets more like efficient while also being very inefficient and
1:21:20
kind of stuck in the mud. And yeah, it's just wild to be
1:21:24
sitting here at five and five with this team and knowing I'm trying to find
1:21:28
out what would be the most like ironic way for the Bills to not make
1:21:30
the playoffs, Like it would be like them going on a stretch where they
1:21:33
win, like they beat the Jets and they beat Philly and they beat the
1:21:36
Chiefs and they beat the Chargers and they like crush them and then they'll lose,
1:21:41
like the last two weeks of the passing Dolphins and not bro. It's
1:21:45
what it is. CJ. Stroud running the gambit, forcing the Jaguars to
1:21:48
get into a head to head tiebreaker with us and we lose. That's what
1:21:51
it is. So man, I love what the Texans are doing also because
1:21:56
they were like my dark horse pick earlier to like back in like the Junish
1:22:00
July Ish. But watch what they're doing is just watch what they've been doing
1:22:03
is just so fun and then it is again I think that's also part of
1:22:06
it too, right, Like I think fans see I don't know how many
1:22:10
times I heard or saw like I was watching Texans tape and posting a bunch
1:22:14
of their stuff yesterday and the amount of comments that got through on Twitter was
1:22:16
like, man, wish like the Bills could do what CJ. Stroud does.
1:22:20
Man wish the Bills offense did someone like Tank Dell And just like,
1:22:24
man, like everything is just comparison because you watch what the Texans did to
1:22:28
the Bengals defense versus what the Bills offense did versus the completely different quarterback.
1:22:32
It's a completely different quarterback. The way C. J. Stroud operates in
1:22:36
the pocket versus Josh Allen is is not in apples to apples comparison. They
1:22:41
win in entirely different ways. And yes, they're allowed to be compared because
1:22:45
they both play the same position, but because they win in different ways,
1:22:49
you cannot analyze it the same. And they're different roster makeups, different skill
1:22:54
sets, different things schematically like can say different. And it's a different piece
1:22:57
every single day of the week for the Texans and the off and the Bill
1:23:00
for what they are. And then also too, I mean, I know
1:23:01
Stroud won the game, he also almost gave the game away. Yeah,
1:23:04
I find that stupid interception right before that, which I was screaming at my
1:23:09
TV when that happened. But yeah, it's wild to see the position that
1:23:12
the Bills are in and part of that position that they are in. Again,
1:23:15
Ken Dorsey is out. Joe Brady is in so many variables when it
1:23:19
comes to Joe Brady. I mentioned some numbers earlier in a comment to some
1:23:26
people. Let me go back and find them. So again, Brady was
1:23:30
the OC in Carolina from twenty twenty through twenty twenty one. Fired on December
1:23:34
fifth of twenty twenty one, so didn't make it a full two years,
1:23:36
but did about a year and three quarters. Chris McCaffrey, What would you
1:23:41
mind you of anyone didn't make it a full two years as OC in the
1:23:44
NFL. That's supposed to be Ken Dorsey. Yeah, yeah, that's not
1:23:47
great. Christian McCaffrey was significantly hurt in both of those seasons twenty twenty and
1:23:53
twenty twenty one. Injured, spent time in injured reserve with a high ankle
1:23:56
sprain in twenty twenty and then a hamstring injury in twenty twenty one. Some
1:24:00
numbers from each year, So in twenty twenty, fifty four percent motion rate.
1:24:03
So again these are me just picking numbers that I think people find interesting
1:24:06
because they're hot button things that everybody talks about now, even if they don't
1:24:10
fully understand them. Fifty four percent motion rate seventh highest in the NFL in
1:24:14
twenty twenty. But like I mentioned earlier, there is a difference between using
1:24:16
motion for leverage and order to create spacing or scheming someone open, versus just
1:24:21
using motion to ida defense. Right, So fifty four percent motion rate and
1:24:26
none the last seventh highest. Like I mentioned earlier, bunch of heavier personnel.
1:24:30
Looks so in twenty twenty eighteen percent twelve personnel, eight percent twenty one
1:24:34
personnel, five percent twenty two personnel. That's in twenty twenty. In twenty
1:24:40
twenty one, eighteen percent twelve again, eight percent twenty one again, and
1:24:45
six percent twenty two again. Again. He didn't last that whole year.
1:24:48
Also had a ten percent screen rate in twenty twenty one, which was seventh.
1:24:53
Yike, there's a lot to be kind of figured out when it comes
1:24:58
to Joe Brady, and I know people point to the LSU offense and talk
1:25:00
about how awesome it was, and then again, the time in Carolina was
1:25:03
also muddy too, with him and Matt Rule button heads and who wanted the
1:25:09
offense to be one way versus how Brady wanted the offense to be you the
1:25:12
other, and they butted heads philosophically and from an ideology perspective, which kind
1:25:16
of begs the question, like why you would hire Brady in the first place
1:25:18
if you guys were on opposite sides of the spectrum, unless it was more
1:25:21
of an adjustment piece. But my thing with Joe Brady as a whole,
1:25:28
I just think given where we are in the season, it's going to be
1:25:30
hard to expect like a dramatic shift schematically in the Bills offense, Like you're
1:25:33
eleven weeks in or ten weeks in going into your eleventh week. What the
1:25:36
offense is is what the offense is. You can't uninstall and reinstall a brand
1:25:42
new offense. So I think the more realistic changes that we should expect to
1:25:45
see would be more little tweaks and dials being moved, levers being pulled,
1:25:50
buttons being pushed in terms of personnel usage, play calls, overall situational go
1:25:56
tos sequencing with play calls. Again, I think it'll be more, you
1:26:00
know, dials being turned a little bit here and there, le levers being
1:26:02
pulled up and down here and there. I just think it's gonna be too
1:26:05
much to expect, like a wholesale change from an identity or ideological perspective for
1:26:11
this offense. What are your expectations from Joe Brady, whether it's this week
1:26:15
going forward, do you have any Are you excited just because it's new blood.
1:26:20
We'll see what can happen. Do you believe in Brady? It's funny
1:26:25
Eric posted earlier today when you him and myself broke down some Joe Brady tape
1:26:30
when he has as a QB coach. Yeah, in twenty twenty one,
1:26:32
or no, twenty twenty two when he was announced as a QB coach of
1:26:35
the Bills, which is interesting. But what are your thoughts here on expectations
1:26:39
for Joe Brady. I guess by extension expect expectations for the offense under Joe
1:26:44
Brady. Yeah, I think I definitely echo your thoughts on like not completely
1:26:47
reinstalling the offense. You can't. You can't like how we're especially in a
1:26:53
short week, like but let alone. I mean maybe maybe the bye week
1:26:58
presents my opportunity for something Eagles game Week thirteen by going into Kansas City like
1:27:04
in Week fourteen, I think that's a prime time too. They come out
1:27:08
of the buy and they're running like the triple option right, like they're doing
1:27:11
completely different. No, but I do think we're going to see things we
1:27:15
haven't seen in two years or I mean, frankly, maybe even in Josh
1:27:19
Allen era in that Week fourteen game versus Chiefs because let's be honest, the
1:27:25
Bills were probably even in the Ken Dorsey playbook, they were probably holding things
1:27:29
close to their chest that they were going to break out for the Eagles,
1:27:31
the Chiefs, the Cowboys. I've been saying that all like, specifically the
1:27:34
Josh Allen run game piece. I've been I've been saying it all year,
1:27:38
Like I really feel like they were waiting until like the back end of the
1:27:41
year to bust it out so teams couldn't scout it and use it. But
1:27:44
the problem is they hit so many ruts and obstacles that it was like,
1:27:46
now, up, we were not even going to get to that point.
1:27:49
But the irony now is that we're going to get to that point with a
1:27:53
completely different offensive coordinator. Like he won't have time to install anything new for
1:27:58
this Jets game specific maybe like a few plays here or there for the Eagles
1:28:03
game, but I'd expect like a couple packages probably for that Chiefs game.
1:28:10
I think the interesting thing for me is, I mean, what we knew
1:28:14
him. I guess what he's most famous for is that LSU offense, and
1:28:17
that was very spread oriented in which he was He was not the offensive coordinator
1:28:21
for that team. He was their passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach,
1:28:25
right and the obviously the talent on that team was like just fantastic. So
1:28:32
it's really tough to compare exactly how he would want to utilize things and is
1:28:40
spread even the way to go, Like I know, we've seen a lot
1:28:43
of success from Josh Allen when we go empty, when we spread it out,
1:28:45
he gets to see the field, he gets to use his legs naturally,
1:28:48
he gets to use his legs, like not schematically, so I think
1:28:54
there's something to chew on there. But then, like you bring it back
1:28:56
to the Carolina years and we're seeing more heavy personnel at the rosters, and
1:29:00
it's like, all right, well, we got Chris Manhertz, we got
1:29:02
Ian Thomas a tight end, Like maybe he kind of had to do that,
1:29:06
you know, Like I'm kind of curious just to see philosophically and schematically
1:29:13
what he wants to do given the talent on the roster. And obviously right
1:29:18
now we're kind of handcuffed to just Dalton King Kate as the tight end,
1:29:21
you know, whatever Reggie Gilliam is. But I think we're probably gonna see
1:29:27
a bunch of a bunch of not spread, but you know, just eleven
1:29:30
personnel, and maybe we see a little bit more under center and specifically under
1:29:35
center play action because I mean, let's be honest, that's that's the stuff
1:29:40
that's been missing. And I mean, aspirationally, i'd love to see some
1:29:45
under center runs with success. Like I loved how much success the Bills had
1:29:50
last night, uh in the run game, But my god, all of
1:29:56
the success was on tackle wrap from from shotgun like every single like they spammed
1:30:00
it like four plays in a row. And I'm sure everyone's like, oh
1:30:03
yeah, I love Josh Allen and no huddle, it's the best. It's
1:30:06
like, guys, he just called the same play like five different times from
1:30:09
the same formation. Like how were the Broncos not even onto it? They
1:30:13
may have flipped the play a couple of times. You can't stop it.
1:30:15
You can't stop this. But at a certain point, like, well you
1:30:19
can because you just ran it six times on one drive, like it's gonna
1:30:24
get stale. You can't just keep going to that. Well, So I
1:30:27
would love to see just a little bit more multiplicity in that regard. But
1:30:30
like we just both said it, you can't just install new things right now,
1:30:34
especially on a short week, especially against a defense as good as the
1:30:39
Jets, you kind of have to keep it simple for this week and hope
1:30:42
the talent reigns supreme. You just can't make mistakes. I mean, really,
1:30:46
it's come down to turnovers. As bad as things have been schematically,
1:30:50
like, a lot of this season has come down to turnovers. So I
1:30:56
don't know how much of that is really gonna fall on Joe Brady, how
1:30:59
much of that has really fallen on Ken Dorsey. But maybe it is just
1:31:03
a management of personalities, especially on the Josh Allen front. I mean,
1:31:09
it's really tough to figure out what to expect specifically. Oh I had another
1:31:13
thought. RPOs. Oh oh right, we've seen I mean in the past
1:31:19
with Joe Brady, like we know he's OURPO centric. But back to the
1:31:25
install thing, like we're probably not going to see new stuff, but I
1:31:27
want to see different RPOs utilizing Kincaid. I'm kind of sick of the same,
1:31:32
like pre snap Motion. Then we just hit this RPO flat to Kincaid,
1:31:38
Like we've kind of been sticking with that for like five weeks now,
1:31:41
and sure it works for a good four to seven based on how much Kinkaid
1:31:45
can get after the catch. But I want to see a little bit more
1:31:51
wrinkles to that where maybe there's a Kincaid and a slant coming over top of
1:31:56
it. And I don't know. I just I think there's a little bit
1:31:59
of limittion on what we're doing with Kincaid and the RPO game specifically, just
1:32:04
because of how heady he is. I just think we need to get him
1:32:06
more involved in different ways than just one. You know, it's funny my
1:32:12
so my RPO piece was tied to the Tackle Rap and Dart run game piece
1:32:16
and it was one of my favorite things Dorsey did all year that Bengals Bengals
1:32:20
game the Buccaneers game. They start putting RPO or they having an RPO based
1:32:27
off of the tackle rap play or having pass tags off of it, and
1:32:30
they started cooking the bucks with that, and that was when I really started
1:32:33
to think, Okay, like this offense is really turned the corner because now
1:32:38
they're taking their most successful run concept and they're spamming it, but now they're
1:32:42
attaching pass tags to it and RPOs to it. So now they can stay
1:32:45
like with that basic run concept, but they can keep running it, because
1:32:50
now you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, because they have
1:32:53
the pass tag or RPO piece attached to it. And that got me so
1:32:57
excited. And that's a piece I wonder can Joe Brady build upon, like
1:33:01
with his experience with the RPO game and what like he did from a passing
1:33:04
game coordinator cons yeh, aspect like my break or be lead shut off,
1:33:10
just aspect with LSU, like do we see more RPOs in general or do
1:33:15
we see more RPOs developed on top of their run concepts? And because that,
1:33:21
again, that tackle wrap RPO piece got me so excited. I was
1:33:26
watching, Oh, I don't remember when, but I was watching an interview
1:33:30
with Jeff Stoutlin, the offensive line coordinator or offensive line coach for the Philadelphia
1:33:34
Eagles, who's arguably like the best O line coach in all the football and
1:33:39
he was talking about the Eagles offense and talking about how every run that they
1:33:44
have, they have a pass off of that run like play action, but
1:33:48
it's the exact same look. And I was like, oh, that makes
1:33:51
sense. That's probably smart to pill layers off of something that's successful and you
1:33:57
have that from like certain team the team, but like the Eagles have for
1:34:00
every single run and then you see like what they do this year granted like
1:34:02
or this year end last year, and so much of it is tied to
1:34:04
what Jalen Hurts can do, how diverse they are in the run game and
1:34:09
the pass game. And I want some more of that, not necessarily like
1:34:13
making Josh Allen be like Jalen Hurts, but I want more of anything that
1:34:17
you know, you and I talked about it in the offseason a ton with
1:34:21
the year before and then Kincaid with James Cook and all these ideas of like
1:34:26
multiplicity and making everything look like everything. So when a personnel grouping comes out,
1:34:31
the defense has to be like, oh man, they can run anything
1:34:34
out of this. And then even when you snap the ball, the defense
1:34:38
is still like, uh, oh, we don't we still don't know,
1:34:40
like know what it is. Have we seen them do the thing where it's
1:34:44
like we have a tight end, say kin kid and knocks on the field
1:34:47
with Cook and we just go to empty or motion back to someone in the
1:34:51
backfield, Like have we seen that this year? I feel like maybe twice,
1:34:56
maybe maybe a couple times, But it wasn't like any uge of cook
1:35:00
with it. It was literally just like, yo, bro, just go
1:35:01
motion out and just be a placeholder on the outside, right, just run
1:35:04
a quick hitch basically literally, I was literally going to say, like a
1:35:08
three yard hitch and just sit there. Yes, so not really like and
1:35:12
I want more of that multiplicity piece. I want. So that's why I
1:35:15
got so excited after that Buccaneers game where I was like, man like,
1:35:18
the most successful thing for the Bills offense this year was tackle wrap and dart.
1:35:24
It was successful for them last year. It's how they iced out Miami.
1:35:27
No pun intended on that Saturday night game and the snow they ran at
1:35:30
five plays in a row right down their throat right. They used it against
1:35:32
the Giants this year to turn the tide. And so when they started putting
1:35:35
pass tags and RBO pieces with it, I was like, Okay, maybe
1:35:40
this is the layering. Maybe and if he could endorse he could do it
1:35:43
there. Okay, let's see what else he can do going forward. And
1:35:46
we just didn't see it enough. I'm hoping Brady can lean into that piece
1:35:50
because it's it's a basic thing. It's something that it's a tweak. It's
1:35:55
not a new install. It's not a new concept. It's based and built
1:35:59
upon something you're already successful with and it's in his wheelhouse. Yep. No,
1:36:03
I completely agree with that. I think that's a very fair ask.
1:36:06
And it's it's this fair expectation, to be honest, because it's it's based
1:36:11
in fundamentals, it's based in something that's already existing. It's yeah, like
1:36:15
you said, not a full install, you're just adding layers and I and
1:36:19
again it's it's such an easy piece. And I mentioned earlier before you got
1:36:23
on, like someone else asked me a question like all, like what what
1:36:26
expectation or how would you measure success for Joe Brady in this first game?
1:36:30
And for me, it starts with establishing the run, like I'm going back
1:36:33
to simplicity, like establish the run, and then I'm going to play action
1:36:36
and I'll take in whatever form I can get it. But if I can
1:36:39
get some under center play action, cool and potentially generate some explosives, that
1:36:43
way cool. Especially going against the Jets who you and you and I tried
1:36:47
to tell people last year before that first game against the Jets and the Jets
1:36:50
defense was very real and despite how bad their offense, was that it was
1:36:54
going to be a hard game, and then the Bills went out and lost
1:36:56
that game. Granted, Josh Allen had some brutal turnovers in that game that
1:36:59
turned the tide and his well got hurt at the end and gave Davis had
1:37:01
that big drop, but nonetheless, like this Jets defense is so formidable.
1:37:06
They are so good. Their front is so good. I worry about the
1:37:10
Bills being able to run the ball against their front because they tried a little
1:37:14
bit in Week one and they just lost out. And that was another piece
1:37:17
too, Like they really started my annoyance with Dorsey, not with Dorsey,
1:37:24
but just how everybody saw everything. And because I've been critical Dorsey going back
1:37:29
to October, Like there's a tweet of me saying, like he's relying too
1:37:31
much on Josh Allen to be a unicorn and that's not a proper way to
1:37:34
run an offense. And you and I both broke down a whole bunch of
1:37:36
stuff that we thought, well, he needed to be better with, but
1:37:39
we also recognized that there was like player execution pieces that were causing problems as
1:37:43
well, and there were so many concepts from a run perspective like that sprint
1:37:46
draw that everybody hates. It was there on several reps against the Jets,
1:37:53
but John Franklin Meyers blew up Ocyrus Torrance or Quinn Williams ran through Mitch Morse,
1:37:58
and it was like, Okay, you know again, I can understand
1:38:00
the other side, maybe because you want to be like, well, Ken
1:38:02
Dorsey shouldn't call that play if his ole line can't handle up front. But
1:38:05
there are certain things that just come down to a player execution piece. And
1:38:10
I'm worried about the run game and letting everything get into a rhythm and let
1:38:14
Josh Allen settle down, because that Jets fron is so nasty forgetting about forget
1:38:18
about what they do on the back end and how they mix coverages, and
1:38:20
how strong they are from an athletic and technical perspective at the corner spots and
1:38:25
what they can do on the back end, and how good CJ. Moseley
1:38:28
has been now that he's healthy again, and what Quincy Williams looks like in
1:38:30
all this. But I just worry about them being able to get the run
1:38:34
game going against that strong quality front for the Jets, and that and the
1:38:39
kind of pressure that it puts on Joe Brady. That's also a piece as
1:38:43
well. Like I think it's super unfortunate, Like I wish I wish his
1:38:46
first game was against the Broncos, or his first game was against the Raiders
1:38:49
or somebody. I wish it wasn't Like the Jets are coming to town.
1:38:54
They think they have your number, and they kind of do, and they're
1:38:58
also really good and they know you're wounded and they're coming for blood. Like,
1:39:03
so jump into the lake and if you can swim, good luck.
1:39:06
If not. But see back to my point earlier, I actually think this
1:39:10
is a good position for him in the sense that he's going up against an
1:39:15
offense where they need to prove that they can beat someone. Like the Bills
1:39:20
offense does not need to win this game. They just can't lose this game.
1:39:25
That's all they have to do. And that's a terrible mindset. Don't
1:39:29
get me wrong. I hate the mindset of playing not to lose, just
1:39:32
don't lose us the game. But no, but really, like that's all
1:39:35
that has happened. The Bills have not lost a game this season where they've
1:39:40
won the turnover battle. Like you don't turn the ball over, you don't
1:39:44
give them extra possessions. You don't give them better field position than they're Like,
1:39:48
the Jets are going to struggle to put up points if they have to
1:39:53
drive seventy five plus yards. So make it that style of game. And
1:39:58
it's not any more compon implicated than it has to be. You know,
1:40:00
expectations aren't score forty five. Wee can that's funny, but I'm looking at
1:40:06
it now. The Bills haven't scored thirty plus against the Jets since twenty twenty
1:40:11
one. Like that was a huge thing for me, Like going into the
1:40:15
Jets in Week one, Like even when the Jets were awful in twenty twenty
1:40:19
one, like the last year under table, like the Bills struggled against them
1:40:23
that last that last down in the stretch. It was part of the reason
1:40:25
why people wanted Dabele's head because they were like the Jets saw indicative and that
1:40:29
was bad Jets. That was no Sauce Gardner, no DJ Reid. That
1:40:31
was before they revamped everything with free agency. That was banged up in really
1:40:35
a shell of himself slash nonexistence CJ. Moseley, Like that was no kind
1:40:41
of defense and they struggled with it. This is also too, like Robert
1:40:44
Sala has seen the Bills a bunch going back to twenty twenty when he was
1:40:46
the Niners DC. Granted the Bills lit up the Niners, but the injuries
1:40:50
in that game. So he saw him in twenty twenty, then twice in
1:40:54
twenty one, twice in twenty two, and now once already in twenty three.
1:40:58
Like he's got familiarity and he's a good d I know everybody was like
1:41:01
making fun of him because how weird he is or whatever with hard knocks this
1:41:04
year, but he's like a good defensive coordinator and they got a good defensive
1:41:09
mind, and they have a good DC with Jeff Ulbrich, and they've got
1:41:13
talent on that side of the ball. Like, but I like where your
1:41:15
heads at, Like don't that would have worked in Week one? Like don't
1:41:17
beat yourself. That's it, Like, don't bend the ball over it literally
1:41:20
all you have to do against teams like the Jets or the Broncos, Like
1:41:24
they aren't teams that regularly put up twenty points. It's literally a race to
1:41:30
twenty points. It's not more complicated than that. Well, I really hope
1:41:35
he can establish some kind of rhythm and I do wonder like what again,
1:41:40
like how much we see from a different standpoint, whether it's tweaks, whether
1:41:45
it's again and it could be anything. Maybe he comes out in this game
1:41:48
and ninety percent of the game they're in ten personnel, or Reggie gilliam sees
1:41:54
like thirty snaps in this game, like something that would indicate, oh,
1:41:58
man, this is what he's leaning into. Yeah, this is like what
1:42:00
he wants to be. But again, like I think from a larger perspective,
1:42:03
you know, I know a lot of people are like, man,
1:42:04
this is awesome. Dorsey's gone, like new offensive Joe Brady. I don't
1:42:10
know how much of a new offense you're gonna get because you can't, like
1:42:14
you can't uninstall and re and you can't uninstall and then install a new offense
1:42:19
in the middle of the regular season, let alone on a short week.
1:42:21
Like that's a very that's a very hard thing to do. Yeah, I
1:42:26
would definitely pump the brakes on that idea. I think it's fair to get
1:42:29
excited about, you know, the potential of Joe Brady and what we could
1:42:32
see through the rest of the season, But for for this specific week,
1:42:35
I think we're gonna see a little bit of rust, maybe a little bit
1:42:39
of motivation, you know, players trying to prove that it wasn't their fault.
1:42:45
Maybe they were being held back, Like I mean, think about the
1:42:46
Raiders. I don't it's not it's not an apples to apples comparison, because
1:42:50
there was a lot of animosity for the Raiders and they had something to prove
1:42:55
when Josh McDaniels left. But there's probably a little bit of that feeling where
1:43:00
the Bills players feel like they could be better than what they have put forward
1:43:03
this year, especially the offensive guys specifically, So there might be a little
1:43:08
extra motivation for them this game, especially the salt and the wound from the
1:43:12
last Jets game. I'm sure there's going to be some motivation for this one.
1:43:15
And part of my thinking too of like just the offense helping themselves out
1:43:19
more like just the just and again this isn't to give Dorsey a pass.
1:43:25
There's a lot of like self correcting issues for this offense. If there's just
1:43:30
better execution again like the Broncos game, And this is a question I posited
1:43:33
earlier, like are we having this conversation tonight right now? If the Bills
1:43:36
win that game last night, like I don't think we are. That's kind
1:43:41
of my Broncos. Yeah, that's my thought on the scapegoat thing, which
1:43:44
yeah, which also is what bothers me. I think the most about the
1:43:46
Dorsey firing, Like am I okay with it? Sure? Fine? But
1:43:49
like the game that it happened after, like really like that one, the
1:43:55
one with all the fumbles and the drops and the interceptions and than the twelve
1:44:00
men on special teams, like feel like right, like that's the guy like
1:44:05
that you're It just makes me feel like yeah, like oh, have you
1:44:11
ever watched Succession? No? I still haven't. There's it's fantastic, But
1:44:15
there's in the one season where like they're all in this boat and they have
1:44:19
like the dad is like, well I have to fire somebody, so who's
1:44:23
it gonna be? And they're just like going around like everybody's trying to be
1:44:25
like, well, can't be me because blah blah blah. He's not picking
1:44:28
anybody legitimate. He's just like listen, the press is gonna want ahead,
1:44:30
so yeah, exactly somebody what it felt like and to have that liked to
1:44:35
be to have this be the game that it happened with is what annoys me,
1:44:40
I think the most. But tying it back to like my previous point,
1:44:44
so many of those things that failed for the game, for the offense
1:44:47
were just again even even like the bad luck piece of it. And I
1:44:50
hate saying this, but like, not only does Gabe Davis drop a third
1:44:55
down, you know, catch opportunity that would have converted to a first.
1:44:59
Not only does she drop it, but it bounces through his hands and it's
1:45:01
intercepted by Justin Simmers. But then I guess the luck works for the Bills
1:45:04
later when Cook gets stripped and then it bounces right back in his hands.
1:45:08
All of these individual variables and execution pieces that had nothing to do with Dorsey,
1:45:13
if you can just eliminate some of those from a player execution standpoint,
1:45:16
if you get more consistent play from your pass catchers, if you get more
1:45:21
ball security from Alan and or the running backs, like, if you just
1:45:27
uptick some of that consistency a little bit, a lot of these problems start
1:45:30
to, you know, provide some remedies. Now it's not large like large
1:45:34
scale wholesale fixes and all of a sudden everything's great and they're cooking on all
1:45:39
cylinders. But if you reduce some of those self inflicted wounds from a turnover
1:45:44
standpoint, especially like you mentioned, all of a sudden, this offense starts
1:45:47
to balance out a bit more and then it's less about you know, shooting
1:45:51
yourself in the foot and it's more just okay, let's go out and try
1:45:54
and execute. But even if they just at a baseline, stop turning the
1:45:58
ball over and stop like the it's not only the miss execution, it's how
1:46:01
significant the miss executions have been because like when they fail it leads to like
1:46:05
a ten yard penalty, or when they fail it leads to an interception or
1:46:09
fumble. If they can just mitigate that, they just become baseline and then
1:46:14
you can build from there, and that's huge, like you said, in
1:46:15
a game against an offense that really shouldn't be generating much unless Zach Wilson,
1:46:20
I don't know, puts up fifty in this game, which would make me
1:46:24
throw up. Yeah, if that happens, then there will be more heads
1:46:28
rolling on your turnover point. I already said the bills are three and zero
1:46:32
when they win the turnover battle. They're thirty one in three when they win
1:46:36
the turnover battle. And the Josh Allen era. Sorry, thirty one and
1:46:40
one thirty one and one. Guess what the opposite is since twenty eighteen,
1:46:45
when they tie or lose, they're twenty seven and thirty two. Oh damn,
1:46:51
that's significant. It's a pretty correlative stat turnovers, it's pretty thirty one
1:46:59
thirty one in when they win the turnover battle. That's nuts. What I
1:47:03
also think too, like it speaks to if they're not turning the ball over.
1:47:08
I also think this ties in what we're talking about earlier, like if
1:47:11
they don't turn the ball over, I think that usually means like Josh Allen
1:47:15
has controlled the chaos and you're getting the successful high variance Josh Allen without the
1:47:20
risk like he we know those like Patriots games when he dumps it down to
1:47:24
Devin Singletary, when he hits Isaiah McKenzie on the escasion, on the occasional
1:47:28
deep crosser, like those are the like controlled organized chaos games that I think
1:47:33
we all idealize, right, Like there are moments of chaos. He's running
1:47:39
away from Matt Juden. Oh, he gets a deep passed down thirty yards
1:47:42
downfield, like it's going to happen, like that's part of him when he
1:47:45
gets under pressure like he's going to flush out right, He's gonna throw the
1:47:48
ball deep like it's part of his game. But the in between moments have
1:47:54
to be those okay, quick one step, three step in rhythm drop throw
1:47:59
like it's a very He is one of the best in rhythm passers in the
1:48:03
league this season. The problem is we're not seeing consistency from the offense in
1:48:10
what they want to be. Do they want to be an in rhythm style
1:48:14
team. Do they want to be a timing style offense or do they want
1:48:17
to be a team that struggles to scheme up around a player that plays out
1:48:23
of structure. That's a fair question. I think. Like the identity of
1:48:27
this team, and especially because man, I hate saying it because I know
1:48:30
everybody's gonna hate it, I want their identity to be like a good running
1:48:32
football team. That's what I want the identity to be. Hey, they
1:48:35
got the horses. They got the horses this year. I just want a
1:48:39
downhill running game. I don't care. Give me tackle wrap, give me
1:48:42
duo, give me any downhill run game piece and then tie the Josh Allen
1:48:45
run game on top of it. Whether it's with modern day triple option football
1:48:50
with RPOs or zone read or QB bash and pin and pull like whatever the
1:48:54
hell. Like established the run early. See how much pressure it takes Offen
1:49:00
Hurts. It's made his career very easy during his development. I mean,
1:49:03
I shouldn't say very easy, but much easier relative to what it could be.
1:49:08
I also think to them going out and you know, we'll see what
1:49:10
happens this offseason, but them going out and getting aj Brown to go along
1:49:15
with DeVonta Smith and Garris Goddard and all their horses, Like they've invested more
1:49:18
on the offensive side of the ball from a weaponry standpoint, But it's it's
1:49:23
I mean again like that scheme like we talked about, Like they can get
1:49:26
into so much from a run game perspective and from a pass game perspective,
1:49:29
and they lean into that dual threat piece of their quarterback. And if the
1:49:33
Bills were sitting on the Josh Allen run game piece, I've said all year
1:49:39
that I think they were waiting for the whole kind of like break glass in
1:49:41
case of emergency. The Josh Allen run game piece was that it's an emergency,
1:49:45
like you have to like this is basically every week from here on out
1:49:47
is playoff football. Like you need to lean into that aspect. You need
1:49:51
to lean into the athleticism of your offensive line, which I think they do
1:49:57
with tackle, rap and dart like Spencer Brown and Dawkins are both good on
1:49:59
them Oh so cool, lean into that. I also like that that concept
1:50:02
also ties into Letto Cyrus Torrens just be big and mall dudes and pit him
1:50:08
down like it just works so well, and Mitch Morris can climb to the
1:50:11
second level. Like, lean into your strengths more, try to was toablish
1:50:14
some semblance of an identity rhythm the at least I want to see them commit
1:50:18
to the run more. But at least they have concepts that I know work
1:50:21
for them and that they can lean into. I wonder what they lean into
1:50:27
from a past concept perspective, because so much of this offense is option based
1:50:30
and reading and reacting and processing after the fact. Like I wonder what Brady
1:50:35
leads into how what kind of connection does he have with Alan because we know
1:50:40
Alan Boucher Dorsey, So this is an offense Alan wanted to be in and
1:50:45
wanted to continue with, and maybe he still does as of right now.
1:50:47
Like I think that's also a piece too, Like is Alan sitting here going
1:50:50
like man, this sucks, or is he like good, I didn't want
1:50:53
to be in this offense anymore anyway? But what kind of relationship does Brady
1:50:58
have with Alan? Does he know what Alan wants to do? How much
1:51:00
input does Alan have? Because that's also a conversation starter as well. How
1:51:04
much input did Alan have in or what was going on right now? Like
1:51:08
maybe Allan just wasn't executing an offense that he really actually wanted to run,
1:51:12
and maybe he blames himself more like what Brady like the behind the scene things
1:51:15
that really kind of put all the pieces further together in a nice little road
1:51:19
to figure out what they are. Because from a passing perspective, the offense
1:51:23
is disjointed, inconsistent, and predictable at times, especially situationally, Like it's
1:51:30
so Brady leaning into certain concepts to kind of stabilize that is something I'm very
1:51:38
interested in seeing, whether we're going to see that immediately against the Jets or
1:51:42
not. I think that's like the biggest challenge on his plate. Like,
1:51:45
I think it's it's not easy, but I think it's easier to kind of
1:51:48
use what you did earlier. I think it's easier to be like, well,
1:51:50
we're gonna run the ball with the stuff that works, and we're going
1:51:53
to go play action. Okay, cool, Like what are you doing with
1:51:56
the rest of the passing game, because there's got to keep running stick.
1:51:59
Just keep running stick. It works. Just run stick. Just go play
1:52:03
action and take and take moonshots. Yeah, in between all of the things
1:52:09
that you were saying, just run stick. That's it came well for Justin
1:52:14
Herbert and Joel Lombardi. That's what I'm saying. Man, they moved the
1:52:16
ball down the field and then you know, maybe you just make some better
1:52:19
decisions than Brandon Staley. Stick is sexy, and that's what it's all about.
1:52:26
Nobody, just keep getting four yards. Just keep getting four There's no
1:52:31
reason to run a route past five yards. Like what are you doing?
1:52:35
You're just being obnoxious, Like why are you trying to No? I just
1:52:39
it's funny because like it's not the option, but I do think it,
1:52:43
Like I think stick helps settle Josh Allen. Like the times that we do
1:52:46
run it, I really feel like it helps settle him down and realize,
1:52:50
Wow, this game is kind of easy, like you know, like wow,
1:52:55
that like little two step drop and just get rid of it, like
1:52:59
oh khalil, Wow, that was easy. Yeah, But then do we
1:53:02
do that all the time. But then there's times where Alan has it and
1:53:04
he's like, no, I'm not gonna take it. I want more flush
1:53:09
right right, yeah, Oh it's oh, it's it's second and three and
1:53:13
I've got a seven yard completion right there. Security, this is the time
1:53:15
to take the shot because it's third and three. We can get that all
1:53:18
day of the week. And then they don't. No, no, no,
1:53:21
no, no no no. Yeah. It's It's a very interesting piece
1:53:25
and again a whole conversation that we're sitting here and having, like is very
1:53:28
interesting, just again with how the season is gone and you know what it
1:53:31
looks like potentially going forward, Kendall. Final thoughts from you, Dorsey,
1:53:38
Brady, Alan, the defense, the offense, McDermott, anything, whatever
1:53:42
is in your head, whatever be is in your bonnet. You know,
1:53:45
now going forward the floor is yours. What do you got? I am?
1:53:48
I am truly going through the phases of mourning, like like I was
1:53:56
in denial last night and then this morning I was like, can I please
1:54:00
get a tweet telling me someone's been fired? And then someone was fired,
1:54:01
and then I was like, did you know when you and I were texting
1:54:04
earlier, did you know he was fired already? I did it, That's
1:54:06
why I texted you. Yeah, okay, yeah, I realized that after
1:54:11
the fact because I was like, oh wait, he got fired now.
1:54:14
And then so I saw the tweet and then I was like, okay,
1:54:16
I wanted this, let's process this now. And then I processed it,
1:54:20
and I was upset that he was the scapegoat, but I did kind of
1:54:25
realize something needed to change, especially offensively. So moving forward with the offense,
1:54:30
I am hopeful and excited to see that. You know, there's just
1:54:33
opportunity to see what else is out there, Like is the grass screener?
1:54:36
Is it not like we just get answers kind of sooner? Because I know,
1:54:42
I mean just watching TV today, like everyone's asking, oh, super
1:54:45
Bowl window open closed, and it's like, guys, the windows open.
1:54:48
It's just there is a finite amount of time, Like there is only so
1:54:53
much Josh Allen that we have, so it is smarter to make this decision,
1:54:57
you know, ahead of that clock. You know, we're finding out
1:55:00
our answers as soon as possible, and I'm just excited to get more answers.
1:55:03
That's kind of where I am. I don't necessarily think this is a
1:55:06
lost season, but we are on the cusp of it, and if it
1:55:10
turns into a lost season, it just means we're finding more answers to the
1:55:13
future. Who is the new core of this team, because like, let's
1:55:17
be honest, with the injuries, with the money allocation that we've seen on
1:55:21
the cap, like things are changing in terms of who the pillars, the
1:55:27
young core of this team is, you know, and I'm just excited to
1:55:31
see kind of where it turns. That's a fair point. I've I'm dead
1:55:38
inside and I've started to move towards prospects and scouting. That's kind of what
1:55:43
I said, just a little more flowery, that's fair. That's fair.
1:55:45
Yeah, I was. I was again, like in watching so much of
1:55:50
the tape and then doing the tapeless the metrics and analytics, like I and
1:55:56
this is gonna sound super douchey, but like I really feel like I see
1:55:59
everything from all sides, and so I would have been okay with a multitude
1:56:00
of things like I would have been cool if Dorsey stayed. I'm cool that
1:56:03
Dorsey got fired. I'm cool with Brady. I'd be cool with someone else,
1:56:08
Like I there's a thing because you understand it from all angles. It
1:56:14
makes processing this so much harder because there were so many different ways handling this
1:56:21
morning would have been handled. So it makes it really hard to process.
1:56:27
Is this the right move forward? Was this the wrong move for? Like
1:56:30
I can empathize, it's just and yeah, like to you to that point,
1:56:35
Like and I said earlier, I think my biggest issue with all of
1:56:38
it is like the loss that this came after, Like and again, I
1:56:42
understand you have to like it has to build and it culminates, YadA YadA.
1:56:45
But this being the loss to do it after like bothered me. I
1:56:47
think, like the most part of it, or the most about it.
1:56:50
But yeah, I would have been cool if Dorsey stayed. I'm cool that
1:56:54
he's gone. I'm cool with Brady getting an opportunity just to see what happens.
1:56:57
Like I'm truly putting no stock into anything until we go like week to
1:57:01
week. Like once once Daikwon Jones went down, I didn't feel good when
1:57:06
Milana went down, I felt worse. And this this team was such a
1:57:13
complete football team that the skill that the skill and ability that they had on
1:57:17
defense also played into the offense's hand. Like you could tolerate more of risk,
1:57:23
Josh Hanley because of how good your defense was, Like your defense could
1:57:27
bail you out of situations because of the ability that you had on that side
1:57:30
of the ball. That was complimentary football, absolutely time, absolutely, like
1:57:34
you can take those risks knowing you kind of have a get out of jail
1:57:39
free card at times with that defense, and with all the multitude of injuries
1:57:44
they've suffered on that side of the ball, like that get out of jail
1:57:45
free card has become fewer and farther in between. And I when that happened,
1:57:51
I didn't feel great, Like I didn't think they were going to beat
1:57:55
Cincinnati, So like that loss didn't have me on the ropes at all,
1:57:57
like I thought they were going to lose. I was bothered the way it
1:58:00
happened, Like that Kincaid fumble still eats at me. Von Miller missing that
1:58:04
tackle eats at me because like they were close and still could have won it.
1:58:10
And that's also another point too, Like that conversation to look at all
1:58:12
the turnovers and snake bitten things that happened in that game. That one or
1:58:15
two play differences here changes that outcome completely. But again I digress. Like,
1:58:18
so I was fine after that one. This one really got me,
1:58:21
just not only that they lost, but all the little breadcrumb things that happened
1:58:27
to make them lose. And then having the twelve men on the field like
1:58:30
that broke me. I didn't sleep. I was just in a horrible stay.
1:58:32
I didn't want to even do the show tonight. I was so annoyed,
1:58:35
like with everything, and then the Dorsey news drop and I was like,
1:58:40
well, I gotta do the show. And this is where we ended
1:58:42
up. I even like met I when I texted you like late last night.
1:58:45
It was really just to like have kind of like someone to make me
1:58:50
hold me accountable for this podcast. I basically was just like, I don't
1:58:55
feel like doing the show, but I like hanging out with Kendall. So
1:58:58
I basically was like, if Kendall will come on the show, ILL feel
1:59:00
better. Just kind of like stuff and then lo and behold, Like this
1:59:02
day ended up becoming a very important day. Yeah, it's just a man
1:59:09
like it's a. It's a disappointing scenario to see where this team is.
1:59:13
But I say all that to say I don't think the season is lost.
1:59:15
Still they are not mathematically eliminated, and really they're not. Like this team
1:59:19
still has ability. Like if you told me they beat the Eagles and they
1:59:23
beat the Chiefs, like, I wouldn't doubt it. I wouldn't think that's
1:59:26
crazy, Like, yeah, yeah, be surprised if they lost to the
1:59:29
Eagles and the Chiefs, Like that's just the way like things have gone.
1:59:30
So I don't think it's a lost season. I do think it's interesting to
1:59:32
see and I think just from the bare minimum perspective of seeing what this team
1:59:39
looks like, like, is Joe Brady auditioning for a real full time job
1:59:42
as OC for potentially next year? Who starts to emerge as core guys for
1:59:45
this team? Like? And watching what develops offensively and defensively, Like,
1:59:50
there's like a lot of potential questions that can be answered going forward. Even
1:59:55
if you know the Bills aren't the super Bowl team that we had hoped or
1:59:58
thought they could be, there are questions that I'll get answered one way or
2:00:00
another. So it's a very interesting point, Kendall, any last party thoughts
2:00:04
before we get out of here, No, man, keep keep hope,
2:00:08
Like that's really the main thing. Like whatever you think about the season being
2:00:12
over or not. I mean, expectations were really really high for this team,
2:00:15
and it's obvious that Bills have fallen short of those expectations at this point.
2:00:19
But hey, there are only ten games in the only team that's really
2:00:24
beaten the Bills this year is the Bills. So oh good point. You
2:00:27
know, like let's see what happens from here on out and just see if
2:00:30
they can course correct and if not, then we turn the page. You
2:00:33
know, like we're all used to it. We've taken eyes on the draft
2:00:36
in November before, you know, like we've been here before. It's just
2:00:42
different because of expectations. That's that's why I message you. I was like,
2:00:45
I want to look at some twenty twenty two cam kitchens and Tyler Neuban
2:00:48
tape. So like me, like I've already been started to like compile a
2:00:53
bunch of college tape, Like I'm gonna start diving into it as we go
2:00:56
forward. I'm going to Senior Bowl again, so I want to give a
2:00:59
nice yep I'm excited again, so I want to go and get more.
2:01:02
I mean, I was super prepared for last year, but I crammed it
2:01:05
all into like about a week, and I don't want to do that this
2:01:08
year. Oh, I want to have more of like a relaxed as experience.
2:01:13
But we'll see. Yeah, I don't think the season's lost. It's
2:01:15
just an unfortunate spot to be in. But we're gonna find out a lot
2:01:17
about this team again from a player perspective, from an offense perspective, defense
2:01:23
perspective, Sean McDermott perspective, like cause again, if they flame out and
2:01:27
they only end up with six or seven wins or five wins, potentially things
2:01:30
go completely off the rails. Like then it becomes a more real conversation when
2:01:34
it comes to Holland for Sean mcdermot's head and all those potential pieces. So
2:01:39
yeah, it's it's a long it's it's a long haul. But I am
2:01:42
dead inside, which allows me to just be objective and watch tape and pull
2:01:45
numbers and metrics. And my favorite piece of it is like just putting out
2:01:48
a clip of being like, hey, here's this this play and the people
2:01:53
who are upset come through and are like, it doesn't matter because so and
2:01:56
so suck everything's bad. I'm just like, oh, like I didn't.
2:01:59
Every one it's dead inside. That's what it tells you. Everyone is dead
2:02:03
inside. But we're all processing it in different ways. Everybody just processes their
2:02:08
grief differently, and that's where we're at. But yeah, this was It
2:02:12
was a fun episode, despite the fact that you know the circumstances that came
2:02:16
about and what caused this episode. But I want to say to everybody,
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hope you have a good night as well, and good luck with your grief
2:04:45
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