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Juhan Rodrik On His Appearance On Married At First Sight, His Nude Art, Fame & More! | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #21 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  And hello, welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. As you can see, it's another
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  video episode for those listing on, you know, Spotify Apple
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  podcast, Google podcasts. I recommend you drop by at some
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  point and just check out the video podcast because it's
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  always good. Especially with today's guests,
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  who is an Estonian painter. His name is Johan Roderick for
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  those who are regularly watching the show or listening, you will
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  have already heard our Podcast together.
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  And basically, this is going to be a bit of an interesting, one
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  for several reasons. But first, okay.
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  Well hello. And welcome back how you doing,
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  you hon? Hello, I'm just fine.
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  I like interesting, so better hope it's interesting.
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  You don't worry? No, I'm not.
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  I'll explain right. So I yeah.
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  Yeah, go ahead ways kind of Grill, my guests whenever they
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  have something in any way kind of controversial.
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  And this, I mean, this isn't really controversial but it is
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  kind of like an interesting thing in terms of some of the
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  things that you've said in the Estonian media and just
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  generally people. Well, when we did our first
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  podcast together, I obviously you With the first one, I always
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  kind of want to introduce and kind of say like, hey everyone,
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  this is the situation, this is the person, this is what they
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  do. But I think we did a very good
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  job of that. I think we, you know, we've got
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  a good rounded, kind of understanding of who you are and
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  what you do and I was very proud of that.
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  And then I saw this stuff again and I was like, how could I
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  forget this? This is so obvious.
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  Okay, so yeah and let's see, well before we get into it, I
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  just I want to say for those who are watching on YouTube right
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  now, you can see this is you Hans Art Studio that he, this is
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  where he lives and where he, yeah, that I am in the studio.
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  Hmm. And in one of my exploring
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  videos, actually, I can't remember which one, but you can
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  see in the thumbnail, in the exploring playlist.
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  I have we actually do a little mini tour of the at least, the
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  first part of your art studio. So, like, The entrance way where
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  you do your art show. And also just cut, I kind of
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  like a display area. I don't know how to put it, but,
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  you know, your living room essentially.
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  Yeah, yeah. I'm yeah, that's small bunker
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  video. I remember exactly which one An
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  imperial bunker you labeled it Soviet but it wasn't Soviet
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  period. Okay, no I think I changed it
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  though because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fixed.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Because you said to me that it was incorrect and it was
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  actually Imperial like you said or from the site error as I
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  understand. Yes.
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  Yeah. Some of them were It's funny
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  actually in one of the videos that I did in the comments,
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  someone was just like, oh, this is wrong.
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  This is incorrect and all hang on.
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  I think we're having an issue. Okay.
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  Oh I had I heard some fishy, Lydia some time but I've sorted
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  out the the issue. Okay, I'm going to continue.
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  I don't know what happened? Any better.
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  Yes. Fine basically for those
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  listening on Spotify, that will be, I have to edit that.
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  Anyway, as I was saying we've with the those videos, obviously
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  they get interesting comments now and again, they're starting
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  to get more and more as people discover them, but one of the
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  people Like yeah, this is incorrect information.
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  And this is actually from like the saw era or something and
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  then, someone just said in response to that.
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  No, it isn't. This is like.
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  No, you're wrong. And then I didn't really know
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  what to laughs. Yeah.
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  Because to be, okay, we'll all of those places that we checked
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  out. It's not always immediately
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  obvious like, some of them You know, you like I guess there's a
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  giveaways in terms of the architecture and other places
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  maybe not so much. So it's not always like 100%
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  like this is this, or this is this.
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  So that's kind of interesting being the calmest.
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  They one of the people was just like, it's this and then the
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  next person was like, no it's not.
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  You're an idiot. This is like I don't know what
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  to think of that. Leave them over there because
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  they probably are entertaining themselves.
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  Anyway, I'm getting them have some fun.
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  Yeah, of course. I mean, that's, that's going to
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  be what those videos are like, but I mean, you know, I think
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  the historical accuracy is important.
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  I mean, certainly whenever I do these videos, I do want to kind
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  of get the right information out there but like helps.
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  Yeah, we're something like that, though.
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  It's not like a big deal. It's like we're talking, okay,
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  maybe it's 20 or 30 years older than we've said it is.
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  But it's not like It's massively incorrect.
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  It's like we know that it's at least purposeful for like
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  military purposes versus like, I don't know.
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  Just being built for some other reason than we get it wrong, but
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  it definitely isn't the popcorn stand.
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  Now, as you know, I will say just before we move on just to
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  close this part of podcast, that it was very interesting to see
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  all the comments in response to that abandoned Bible school
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  video. Oh, that we do.
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  I haven't check the comment section yet or no.
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  This, this was in your post actually that I discovered all
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  this information. Ah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  Okay. Yes, yes, yes.
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  Because obviously mean, you kind of knew that like, the school
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  closed somewhere between say, what at the time?
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  We thought it was the 90s but then it became apparent that the
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  mid-2000s was when it kind of challenged or something.
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  But then, like, looking through those comments, there was people
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  saying things that like I saw one commenter said, There were
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  plans to make this into like a care home for people and I
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  actually think that would have been a good idea because the
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  location of where it was, I don't know if we necessarily
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  covered that in the videos, but it obviously as you recall like
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  it was a short walking distance from from the sea.
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  So it's like if that was a curse enough, it would be a perfect
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  place to have a care home when you think about it from that
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  from that kind of perspective. But Anyways yeah, mmm.
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  Yeah, so as the title of this video suggests, we're going to
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  cover your time on and I'm going to butcher this going to do my
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  very best. I'll be a loose as he misses,
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  Selma Bill guest. Is that right?
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  Yeah. Close enough Columbia lose.
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  This game is still my biggest cinema pill boost.
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  Okay? Right.
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  And that translates into English, as Married at First
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  Sight. Yeah, exactly.
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  So this is a Spanish license reality show.
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  Yeah. And this was a TV show that you
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  are a part of in Dean add-on devic column, which is this
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  number three channel in Estonia? And I mean, the title kind of
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  gives it away, but I'll briefly explain the concept, you know,
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  you meet someone and then there they were several different
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  couples this. When I read into this actually,
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  there were, I think there was about four, or five different
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  couples, and you three, just three couples.
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  Yes. That's what the media has wrong
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  information. There, There is a lot of
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  misinformation that's so it's full of misinformation.
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  There's there's a lot of it or they need to make this more
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  interesting than we can kind of find out what the media is right
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  on and what they're wrong. Yes, but yeah, basically one of
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  the things that I read into was that like your couple were the
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  only kind of like successful couple and everyone else was
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  just like part of my language, but like, a shitshow, like just
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  not right for each other like this.
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  Bad, which I kind of found sweet in a way like I was like, oh,
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  that's cool. Like, you know, at least like
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  the concept worked because I feel that like as a concept in
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  general because I've seen something similar to this, in
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  the UK, possibly or death, I've definitely seen this this a
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  version of this show before and I've always kind of thought it's
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  a bit too crazy. It's like, I know it's just TV.
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  It's reality TV, it's not supposed to be like, you know,
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  this is real life. But like at the same time it is
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  because like, you guys genuinely got married and yes, you were
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  genuinely together and like I guess I guess the wider point of
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  what I'm getting to is like we're with you guys there might
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  have actually been some chemistry and like, you know,
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  there's there was some success there, all the rest of the
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  couple's kind of demonstrated like why it's a bad idea like,
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  why this concept I'm really doesn't work in life like when
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  you're getting together with someone probably take some time
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  to get to know them before you jump to marriage.
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  Well yeah it helps definitely okay.
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  Well you did interviews with various websites afterwards.
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  The one website that I found a lot of information from was a
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  website called chronica which is Monica Monica, okay?
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  And it's a chronica with Delphi which is one of The major media
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  outlets in Estonia and basically what okay, you know that
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  affiliation there because I have no idea what the deal there is
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  they just an Estonian. There are news outlets.
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  Yeah. They both, are they both look.
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  So there's like, Synergy, they connected and some, well,
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  they're Estonian news outlets, so I know they'll really sure
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  about the size Civics right? Yeah, I know.
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  I'd never heard of chronica, so that was something new anyway in
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  that interview you stated that you enjoy.
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  I mean I don't know if this truck because I'm translating
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  this from Estonian to English. So, as prodigies over, this is
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  wrong, but basically the gist of it was that you would enjoy the
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  attention that you received from the show.
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  So let's start with that. First of all, Because the next
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  question I have is regarding negativity.
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  But I want to talk about the positives of this situation, she
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  did to show what was the kind of immediate feeling afterwards,
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  once it finished like what was the kind of the good stuff that
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  happened as a result of this? Well, it was a lot of fun.
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  Like, there's multiple things like a lot of filming and a lot
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  of activities and Doing stuff. So there was like one and a half
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  month of filming to get it, get it wrapped.
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  Damn, okay. And how long would the filming
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  days? Like generally speaking
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  dependent on the day, few hours we took with the team but
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  sometimes we filmed our own, we were handed.
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  Some sort of a small camera, okay to use it ourselves.
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  So so that was something with it as well.
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  So with the because I couldn't really find much information on
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  this show. I'm sure I could, if I really,
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  really delve deep, but since we have you here, it's much easier.
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  Us ask you directly. Did they kind of cover the cost?
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  I guess of like setting up things was it a case of like
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  they would say to you like Hey we're going to take You to this
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  place and we'll cover it in everything and we just you know,
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  you kind of just like do what they say or is it kind of a
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  situation of like your bike paying for everything or
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  whatever and like they're just filming it or what was the setup
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  that? Well, it was like it was no
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  extra cost for me. Yeah.
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  Everything was pretty much like from there.
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  So that's the most, that's typical case of any filming
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  that. I usually don't have any of my
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  own cost well, except for a few where I volunteer, but it, yeah,
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  it was pretty much like Cost free for me except for my own
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  time right baby? Baby, you enjoyed it right?
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  Like I mean you said you knew it, I'll be like yes yes it was
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  a lot of fun. The otherwise I wouldn't have
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  done it because I wasn't paid or anything for it but I that's
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  interesting. Well it didn't all the costs
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  were like covered but I didn't they this wasn't painting so it
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  was like my own free willing. Think reality shows are not paid
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  here. Is this really irritates me that
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  this is the color. I mean I've said this to you
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  before, but for those listening and there seems to be this theme
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  in Estonia of like not paying people.
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  For things like TV shows or more specifically like films and
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  stuff like that, and it's not everywhere.
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  Obviously, you've sort of said many times that most of the time
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  you are actually paid. So it's not like all the time,
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  but there are major examples. And again, I think we covered
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  this in the last podcast, but the fact that like, you can have
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  a very, very long day, and it could be expected to do a lot of
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  waiting around, and they're not get paid for that.
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  And then it's the same old thing of like, you know.
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  Well, you're getting exposure. Szura and you're getting this
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  and you're getting that and it's like, doesn't always hold up.
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  I mean I guess in this scenario it does hold up because you
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  know, you are featured prominently on Estonian
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  television. Exactly.
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  Right. You had the exposure but then if
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  it's like, you're an extra in a movie, so that doesn't hold up
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  at all, it may not be even visible, like, right?
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  That doesn't hold up at all. So it's fun anyway, in a
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  different way. Okay, good girl.
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  Well, before I go into the negatives, what what would your
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  kind of key takeaways? What was that, the best things
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  that you took away from this experience, like the real
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  positives of this situation, this whole experience?
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  Why do you mean by that? So, like we're there any kind of
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  like key lessons that you learned from this or that when
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  you look back, because this was five years ago, says long time,
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  almost a lifetime ago, right? So when you look back, like,
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  what the key things that stand out for you, like, yeah, this,
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  this was a good thing that happened or like this was a key
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  lesson that I learn or, you know, something like that.
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  Oh, okay. Well I don't know what was the
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  real key lesson there. I was pretty familiar with
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  acting before that I was also been exposed earlier.
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  So I was absolutely bune to camera fear which couldn't be
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  said to the others. And so like pretty much I had
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  been used to being filmed, so so, it There was just, maybe
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  some learning some new stuff like well I discovered there
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  like filming for my own like we had to film our own stuff.
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  So I got some more doing of that and inspired by that.
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  I bought my own camera, which I broke.
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  If I filming my video, I broke one.
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  Actually, I have broken, two cameras filming videos.
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  This is positive that us, it is a really yeah, yeah, talk to me
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  a little bit about the audition process for this because I mean
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  it's a bit different from like your standard TV show.
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  Like we're there. Any like, weird things that they
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  asked you in the auditions? Or like, what exactly were they
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  looking for? Well there there are addition
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  like it wasn't audition. It was like making a match.
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  The concept was that the experts make a match and we meet first
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  time at at the marriage office or something.
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  Right. You know, I get that but like
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  obviously you can't have been the only people that applied to
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  be on. This shows is what I'm saying.
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  Like, they must have probably hundreds of others and stuff.
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  So why? S like you I guess there must
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  have been like in a meeting or something.
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  Where you know you are their boss.
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  Yes, exactly. There was many meetings like I
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  was I met like that met those experts who were making this
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  like matcha happened. So there was some sort of sexual
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  therapist, there was some sort of Of relationship specialist.
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  And there was somebody else there, I don't remember who,
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  what the profession was going to be an ancient history to me as
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  well. Do you remember like, what kind
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  of questions they asked you or anything?
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  Well, it's a little becoming a little bit into the Dark Age of
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  my memory. Like the room here.
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  So I think I'll fix up a light and I probably not, but I'm just
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  I'm curious too because like it's, you do tend to get weird
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  questions when it comes to auditions.
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  And especially, if it's a type of show, that's intended, purely
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  for television and seemingly for like entertainment purposes.
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  But the way you paint, it doesn't sound like it's almost
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  sounds like it's like, actually professional or they were trying
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  to do something serious and like, wasn't It intended to be
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  like a joke or something. Which generally speaking with
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  these kind of reality shows, particularly like in America or
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  in the UK, it's like just a bit of a joke.
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  Really obviously didn't always start out that way.
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  I mean, I know for instance, Big Brother when it started in the
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  UK was kind of like a almost like a psychological experiment.
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  But at this point now it's like Whatever you want to call it.
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  I don't know it. I think it's lost its appeal but
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  anyway point being that like, it sounds like they were taking it
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  very seriously. Like did you kind of get that
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  feeling when you're on the show that like, you know, you're in
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  good hands or like was there any unprofessionalism or like so
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  it's all good. Yeah, it was.
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  Yeah, absolutely. It was good.
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  It can't be done by anybody who don't know what they're doing.
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  I'm like of course I feel like and I mean it could be dance.
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  Hey don't don't be dissin bfm, right?
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  Like they're not at all that the doll, the doll back pretty soon
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  very, very tired. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I have never been disappointed in bfm either so.
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  So but yeah, these were all like everybody.
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  Like life were like proffesional Crews.
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  Working in television for ages. So, so, it's like nobody was day
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  wonder, it should hope not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Except me, maybe we're gonna, we're gonna take over someday,
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  too. You've been a bit mean to
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  yourself there. But anyway, let's take on a bit
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  of a negative root, okay. Have you received kind of
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  negative criticism for being on that show?
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  Or some pushback from people was there anything, you know, when
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  it immediately came out, where people, like, maybe attacked you
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  or something like that. Like, talk to me a little bit
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  about the more negatives of this experience.
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  If there is any, I don't know. I don't remember any well,
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  that's, that's good for either of us, the maybe there was
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  something, but I don't know, just didn't care.
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  Well, yeah, there's definitely somebody who I can't be liked by
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  everybody. You.
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  So I'm expecting to be hated by somebody so so it's like to be
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  expected for me. I don't recall.
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  That the reason I asked is like in this one of these crew
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  chronica articles, it says that your wife had to change her
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  phone number to avoid fans and journalists from sort of
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  harassing her. Is that something that you have
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  any memory of or did you have to do something like that?
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  No, not at all. Is that even truth or is that a
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  lie? I do something.
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  Well, maybe you've got to ask her about that.
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  I can't confirm this fact or I can't let you know what a
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  married. So you would have anyone because
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  this is immediately as after it happened, as I understand like
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  timeline wise That's just it just sorta soda.
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  I don't remember changing phone numbers or probably yeah she was
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  a bit complaining about too much attention to her because she was
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  unused to attention in this this magnitude.
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  So for me it was just regular office time so II don't I didn't
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  like much about it if somebody recognizes me on the street or
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  something and come to us Ask something or add me on Facebook
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  or call me. So yeah that top that off course
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  that happened so that's no big deal for me and I would be
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  remiss if I didn't ask this, we won't get too personal but since
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  it is a kind of a personal topic now me and you have spoken about
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  this in real life, but for the purpose of this podcast, I know
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  that you guys aren't together anymore.
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  So talk to me a bit about like why that's the case.
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  He's just kind of broadly speaking.
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  They have to give like specifics but like, oh, obviously, I think
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  the reason that people would want to know is that obviously
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  when that show came out, you know, you were like the success
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  story. Like, this is good.
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  This concept works like here, you know, you got an example of
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  happy couple, right? And then fast forward in a five
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  years later. It's not the case.
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  So why is it not the case? What happened?
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  There was it because of the show or was it just you know, one of
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  those things. Well, we had different
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  addresses. Say what?
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  We had different addresses. Okay?
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  So, well aware, we didn't work out as a long-term match that
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  this was like, two unknown people put together for the show
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  that. Yeah, the anybody can be
• 24:51
  together for some time but not indefinitely.
• 24:56
  So you don't just get the relationship between.
• 25:00
  Between just about anybody, right?
• 25:04
  I agree. Apply that the whole point of
• 25:07
  this show was like, I'm just going by this concept.
• 25:11
  I don't personally believe in this and I think we're both on
• 25:15
  the same wavelength of this, right?
• 25:16
  But the pope principle of this show is that you can find love
• 25:20
  at first sight marriage at First Sight, right?
• 25:23
  Maybe so well and clearly something went sort of wrong
• 25:30
  there. But like, was it?
• 25:34
  Is it pure? Was it because you just weren't
• 25:37
  right for each other. And, you know, I guess what I'm
• 25:41
  trying to say was like, was this put on for the cameras or was it
• 25:44
  genuine or like, okay, so like the show ends and then what?
• 25:48
  Like, you just go, okay? That was fun.
• 25:50
  See you later because you're officially married.
• 25:52
  That you're not or were yeah, right legally.
• 25:59
  Yes. Okay.
• 26:00
  Okay, right. So, it didn't just like,
• 26:02
  suddenly, like just end like that.
• 26:04
  Like presumably, of course, you're right.
• 26:10
  Give me some details, man, what happened?
• 26:12
  Like, what what why did that not work out?
• 26:15
  Was it just The told me a little bit about that.
• 26:18
  I don't want to probably too much but I think everyone would
• 26:22
  want to know. Well yeah, it was so genuine Cho
• 26:26
  Okay. Is it what we see on camera was
• 26:28
  real then? Yeah, kinda weird.
• 26:32
  Kind of the word like, as we were there.
• 26:35
  Okay. So it's that part's pretty
• 26:38
  right. So, yeah.
• 26:40
  Well, we both had quite a lot of fun there.
• 26:45
  Okay. So the show ends and then what
• 26:47
  you living together for a while and then it just, you just
• 26:50
  Discover, it doesn't work out and you move on or like talk to
• 26:53
  me a little bit about that the immediate aftermath Yeah, kind
• 27:01
  of, we were living a little bit together and so after some time
• 27:06
  we decided not to be together. Okay, fair enough.
• 27:12
  I got my, I got my, I said I wanted - oh okay, what know what
• 27:18
  I mean? What I'll elaborate.
• 27:20
  So like, I guess why? The reason I'm asking is like if
• 27:24
  if you guys are just like, literally that's it, it ends.
• 27:28
  As soon as the show ends It kind of supports that Narrative of
• 27:31
  like, okay, these shows are just a facade and there's nothing
• 27:35
  real about it, but it seems you guys like, you know, you stayed
• 27:38
  together after some time. It didn't work out.
• 27:42
  That more just suggest that it's just one of those things, but
• 27:45
  maybe there is like a evidence to kind of support that the
• 27:49
  concept works on some level. You know damn well yeah the
• 27:54
  concept in some level absolutely works and it may happen.
• 27:58
  I was absolutely prepared that it may happen as well but there
• 28:02
  was giving it an option, so it's an optional possibility.
• 28:08
  See you see? You were genuinely kind of
• 28:10
  sitting there thinking like, hey I might actually meet yes.
• 28:14
  The one or okay, cool, that's cool.
• 28:16
  That was part of the show there. Why?
• 28:19
  I part of the reason why I went there not full reason.
• 28:22
  But we'll get to that, but like I find that interesting special
• 28:27
  to sleep. A lot of the time when people do
• 28:29
  these types of shows, they are purely doing it just to get on
• 28:32
  TV which is, you know, that's fine.
• 28:34
  I understand that. I don't personally agree with
• 28:36
  that. But each to their own, I get
• 28:39
  that. Would you say that your partner
• 28:42
  or ex-partner was the same? Or did she have like, ulterior
• 28:46
  motives? Like, did you speak to her much
• 28:49
  about that? Like was she the same the same?
• 28:52
  Boat as you was. She like just wanted to find
• 28:54
  someone and be on TV or I was what was her reasons for doing
• 28:58
  it? Yeah, that was pretty similar.
• 29:00
  She came there to have some fun and be on TV.
• 29:04
  So so probably by the fun part. How do you guys when you did the
• 29:11
  show? Actually, well, I was a slight
• 29:14
  bit younger than I am right now so you don't have to sound so
• 29:20
  bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:23
  Listen to good old date. So what I mean I know you're
• 29:28
  just about 30 ish now and you give us.
• 29:31
  Oh yeah, I'm 32. So it was like I was like 27 at
• 29:35
  the time it was five years ago so yeah that's not too hard math
• 29:40
  problem here for those listening.
• 29:43
  I'm not demented. Yet for those listening on the
• 29:46
  podcast. Like you her looks kind of like
• 29:50
  I've never seen you looking barest before.
• 29:52
  This is Kind of funny. No, not embarrassed, but like,
• 29:56
  kind of like you're shy. And I've never seen that side of
• 29:59
  you before and as that's just funny to me, but it's cool.
• 30:03
  I like okay, no problem was your ex-partner?
• 30:07
  The same age older younger the time, the slightly younger.
• 30:13
  So there wasn't there wasn't much a gap.
• 30:16
  I suppose it's better that you guys were kind of like in your
• 30:18
  mid-20s as opposed to like early 20s or late teens or something
• 30:21
  because Think like by that point you don't I mean you're grown
• 30:25
  adults, you know what to expect to you're not going to get like
• 30:28
  necessarily exploited or something like that so that's a
• 30:33
  good thing but you went last for a moment.
• 30:40
  I love basically. I was just saying that you know
• 30:44
  it's a good thing that you that age and that you weren't.
• 30:47
  Yeah, yeah. So moving forward.
• 30:52
  Do you still get recognized for that particular appearance?
• 30:55
  Because I know that you've got like a bit of a following.
• 30:58
  So I guess you could say, sort of off the back of that.
• 31:02
  But as you said, you've been in the media, like I found remnants
• 31:05
  of you being in the media, from as early as like 2011, for like
• 31:09
  your artwork and stuff like that.
• 31:11
  So you've always kind of been even even earlier or somewhat
• 31:15
  right. Right?
• 31:15
  Right. But yeah, it was about something
• 31:19
  like that. Yes.
• 31:20
  But you get people sometimes, like stop you in the street and
• 31:22
  Just say like, oh yeah, you were on that show.
• 31:26
  You get like yes. Yes they do and also other
• 31:30
  follow-ups because I have more recent big roles as well.
• 31:35
  So so it's the recent stuff is the most likely cause of
• 31:42
  nowadays, recognizing, but at the time when the show aired
• 31:47
  then date was a lot of them on the street, like recognizing me
• 31:51
  and especially Specially when two of us were together.
• 31:54
  See ya. So, but even if I was somewhere
• 31:57
  real, I was recognized absolutely like, and in random
• 32:02
  places. What were people like where they
• 32:05
  likes positive? You know, supported like hey
• 32:08
  yeah, they were very positive. Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:11
  It was fun to meet them. Was there any like negative
• 32:14
  people or negatively? Nothing at all.
• 32:19
  That's all nothing. Bad tool.
• 32:21
  I feel like you're holding won't back here.
• 32:25
  Probably, they may have been some.
• 32:27
  Okay, share me like one story just like something crazy that
• 32:31
  happen because like, you always gets nothing crazy.
• 32:34
  There were just, some people were slightly bitter.
• 32:36
  That's about it, bit psycho? Yeah, I don't know.
• 32:40
  That's interesting. But what B it because, like, you
• 32:44
  were on TV and they weren't or something, or maybe, They are
• 32:48
  maybe not. I don't know.
• 32:50
  But they had some bitter taste a I tried to taste them so maybe
• 32:54
  that's the reason why the reason that purpose because better is a
• 32:59
  very interesting word to use in that context.
• 33:02
  Like it's like they were bitter. What did they know you?
• 33:05
  They're pissed off. Yeah, well someone there I
• 33:10
  didn't. That was the first word that
• 33:12
  came up with me so I don't have the same vocabulary.
• 33:18
  So I know there may be a gap. I'm a substitute, something like
• 33:23
  a euphemism, I meant more like cause obviously, normally when
• 33:26
  people use that word, it's like, okay.
• 33:28
  Someone that, you know, that's like jealous of you or something
• 33:31
  or envious of the fact that you're in the public eye or
• 33:34
  something like a because I've experienced that, I know people
• 33:36
  that have experienced as well. Like, you know, it's very common
• 33:40
  for people to act that way and you're always doing things.
• 33:45
  So, you know, it's not that far out there that maybe people
• 33:49
  would be like envious. Particularly, they're trying to
• 33:51
  do the same thing as you, you know, they're trying to get, no
• 33:54
  be no. All right, all right.
• 33:58
  That's yeah. So let's talk in the reasons
• 34:01
  like why you wanted to be on the show.
• 34:02
  Now obviously we know that you were obviously looking for
• 34:04
  someone but I think the if we're really honest here, the main
• 34:08
  reason is that you wanted to kind of get some attention and
• 34:12
  this nation was like both of them, right.
• 34:17
  But when you did your interview I think again with Chronicle
• 34:20
  afterwards, you said that, you sort of turn to this series
• 34:24
  primarily to get famous. But do you think there is Okay,
• 34:32
  I'm going to rephrase how I asked this question. a lot,
• 34:38
  there's different things that you've done, you know, to get in
• 34:41
  the public eye, which I would say, are not really like
• 34:46
  Necessarily like a deliberate attempt to get in the public.
• 34:49
  Eye is just like you know if you're doing acting naturally
• 34:51
  you're going to be in the public eye if you're doing no and our
• 34:55
  exhibition. And you're standing there with
• 34:57
  your art, then yeah. People were going to see you.
• 35:00
  People going to know you, right? Absolutely.
• 35:02
  Like in the back. Like right.
• 35:05
  Right. Right.
• 35:05
  But this I feel is and I'm just going to be honest, I'm not
• 35:12
  trying to know you but this is kind of a very deliberate
• 35:14
  attempt to get You know, some attention towards yourself,
• 35:18
  right? So, do you not think that
• 35:20
  there's kind of A line in terms of like how far someone should
• 35:25
  go to get famous, do you have a limit?
• 35:29
  Is there like a limit for you or will you do anything to get
• 35:34
  attention to anything? I wouldn't do anything.
• 35:37
  I wouldn't do like, absolutely anything.
• 35:40
  So, there's definitely a line that I will not violate.
• 35:46
  So I have many, many lines in my life, which I have a pretty
• 35:51
  strict policy about. And pretty strict discipline how
• 35:56
  I work. So and that's how I work by.
• 36:00
  Give me some examples of like things that you like, okay?
• 36:04
  So have you ever been offered anything that you've kind of
• 36:06
  turned down where you would have got attention for it, but you
• 36:09
  would like night, doesn't it goes against what I believe in
• 36:11
  or something? Well, yeah, we're fits.
• 36:21
  I have so. Do you have any examples?
• 36:28
  I like some of the some some some stuff that does doesn't
• 36:37
  justify the hustle. Okay.
• 36:41
  Right. So.
• 36:42
  But that's that's less about morals.
• 36:45
  That you're, I think you're coming more at it from the
• 36:47
  perspective of like or this is a waste of time kind of thing.
• 36:50
  Well, yeah, I order a moral violation, I haven't been
• 36:54
  offered anything that violates my morals that much, but some if
• 37:00
  I don't fancy doing it, I don't fancy doing it.
• 37:04
  So one like a horror movie was a think that I turned down.
• 37:09
  So Or what was your reason for turning that down, for example,
• 37:13
  like I didn't like the concept of it.
• 37:17
  So, it was just the story. It wasn't like, a moral thing,
• 37:21
  it was just like, you just didn't like the idea.
• 37:23
  Yeah, I didn't like the idea and I figured I'll skip it, okay,
• 37:29
  but give me some examples of like instances where it went
• 37:34
  against your morals, or your beliefs and what and why it was
• 37:37
  like that. Well in this case if it goes
• 37:43
  like that then I will not apply to the role anyway.
• 37:47
  So I don't tend to get those offers too much.
• 37:51
  So you it's rarely when I'm invited to do something and
• 37:57
  usually I apply the Rolle's myself so the moderation is
• 38:02
  already been made by me. It is the Fault level.
• 38:07
  You don't get to give me. We think here are you wishing
• 38:12
  you? And your just get you can you
• 38:14
  can you can be, come on, hit me he give me your line.
• 38:20
  Get, what's your line? What like let's let's play a
• 38:24
  role like a role concept for a second.
• 38:26
  Let's, let's say, I say to you, I don't know.
• 38:31
  Would you do like porn or something?
• 38:33
  Or would you do? I don't know.
• 38:35
  Depends on the kind of porn. Right?
• 38:40
  So you would consider doing that.
• 38:41
  Then yes, I'd like to do a Robotics and porn stuff.
• 38:46
  I'm working with erotic art. So porn is not a great leap at
• 38:51
  all. This isn't you?
• 38:53
  Joking? You genuinely would do porn if
• 38:56
  the offer was right there. Yes, of course.
• 38:58
  I do. I wouldn't do any type of porn,
• 39:01
  like, I don't like to do like, which I'm not doing, like a gay
• 39:08
  porn or Think shit like that. So, okay, normal normal porn, I
• 39:13
  would. Yeah, of course I would do it.
• 39:17
  I was not expecting that. It's practically a lot of fun.
• 39:21
  Okay. And yeah, well, I mean, I just
• 39:24
  gave that as an example of like something that maybe most many,
• 39:29
  people might say, as like, all this is against my beliefs or
• 39:32
  something. But is, is there anything that
• 39:34
  like you would draw the line at that, you're like, no, I will
• 39:37
  not do this. Well, I don't know what this
• 39:41
  line means to you. Okay.
• 39:46
  Well, okay for me. Like I would I wouldn't do porn
• 39:51
  because for that specific well for that specifically is because
• 39:57
  it would exist forever, you know, so like my grant, if I had
• 40:00
  kids grandkids, then they would see that and then I just
• 40:03
  wouldn't like it. I don't know.
• 40:05
  It would just bother me on some level personally but you do have
• 40:09
  great potential for a porn name. You could name yourself,
• 40:13
  Christian, Philip crane dream. I like that, that would make an
• 40:24
  excellent porn name, maybe you should use it as a pick up line
• 40:28
  now and on streets or something, of all the things we thought we
• 40:32
  would be talking about. I never imagined it would be
• 40:34
  this is inevitable. Yeah it's inevitable that you
• 40:43
  always get dick. Some new lever out of me that
• 40:48
  you're never saw coming. It just fascinates me to be
• 40:52
  honest if any had absolutely because Well, how much more is
• 40:56
  there to use? Is this one?
• 40:57
  Well, I don't know that even I don't know because I don't know
• 41:01
  what I'm going to learn next. So so I constantly keep
• 41:07
  developing and I'm constantly looking and hunting down my week
• 41:12
  sites and polishing on my strong side.
• 41:16
  So it depends and and some people who know me for 20 years
• 41:22
  or something they still are Our are surprised by something to
• 41:27
  which they didn't expect or didn't know.
• 41:31
  That's generally a positive thing, though, isn't it?
• 41:33
  I mean, I think if, if you've never changed in 10 years, 20
• 41:36
  years, I think there's probably something drastically wrong with
• 41:39
  your life. Absolutely.
• 41:42
  I call it a stiff, like you would be, it's like pink date
• 41:47
  for me. Fair play.
• 41:53
  Okay wait and just since we're still were talking about you
• 41:57
  know like porn and stuff like that, you're our, okay.
• 42:04
  So I'm going to preface this by saying I've received a bunch of
• 42:07
  questions that from the internet that people want to ask you.
• 42:11
  I will. Okay.
• 42:11
  I will keep the money. I'll keep I'll keep them
• 42:14
  Anonymous. But one person, one person
• 42:17
  wanted to know. Why do you think that?
• 42:20
  Your more recent art is more kind of nude orientated and I'm
• 42:25
  actually I it's like more nude orientated.
• 42:28
  So it's okay. So you you paint a lot of like,
• 42:32
  you know, naked women and yes, suggestive, erotic kind of art,
• 42:38
  but this is something that you've done more recently, more
• 42:41
  recent years that you didn't always used to do stuff - well,
• 42:46
  that's wrong. That's but it.
• 42:50
  It's like you've always done are like that.
• 42:52
  Always. Well, if I said recently, is it
• 42:57
  based on my statement? No, no.
• 43:00
  This, this is something that someone has noticed, like
• 43:03
  someone that regularly checks out your art and they've kind of
• 43:06
  noticed that and I've noticed this too.
• 43:10
  So like in the more recent years you've created more erotic
• 43:14
  imagery and like make no women and stuff.
• 43:17
  Nope I have created them about On stable level but I have done
• 43:23
  some maybe a cyclically i cycle between different topics.
• 43:29
  So 1. I do one like Auntie Spirits.
• 43:34
  Very I do one more and one subject and I might do more on
• 43:38
  the other subject, but all the subjects are pretty much one
• 43:44
  same size, same sized like portion of Of my artwork that
• 43:53
  that I have always done. So doing nude artworks, goes
• 43:58
  back since forever. Now, this is interesting because
• 44:02
  when we were talking about this in the podcast last time and
• 44:06
  also just our conversations in real life, you kind of to me,
• 44:11
  always gave the impression that you just paint, you know,
• 44:13
  whatever you feel like paying at a particular time, but this kind
• 44:16
  of suggests that Every year, you have, I guess like a rough plan
• 44:23
  because you're saying, cyclically.
• 44:25
  So what is that by season or something?
• 44:28
  Land, it's not Bland. I I just paint what I feel like
• 44:33
  and I vary between there's subjects.
• 44:37
  So maybe that impression has been been created because of I
• 44:44
  have maybe done them more at the time.
• 44:48
  Turn the measurement was taken. Okay, maybe so and so is false.
• 44:55
  It is just a case of like our one month, you just happened to
• 44:59
  be paying a lot of like naked. Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:02
  That's typically the case, some some run found baked been
• 45:07
  painting more horses and some month from painting more dogs so
• 45:13
  or some month and painting more fish.
• 45:15
  So it varies but yeah. Yeah, that may be absolutely be
• 45:19
  the case to probe into this a bit more because I think what
• 45:22
  this person really wanted to know, and I want to know this
• 45:25
  too, is, why do you paint that stuff?
• 45:28
  Like it's that specifically because it's not something.
• 45:31
  You always commonly see? Artists do.
• 45:34
  It's I guess one could view it as like almost taboo.
• 45:37
  Like I don't personally think of it like that.
• 45:40
  If anything I just kind of find it interesting.
• 45:42
  You know art is are at the end of the day but why do you paint
• 45:47
  that kind of stuff? Like is it like an just a
• 45:51
  personal enjoyment or do you have?
• 45:53
  Like a particular, I don't know, fascination with the female body
• 45:58
  or like, why do you paint that? That nude stuff that erotic
• 46:01
  stuff, like what are the reasons?
• 46:08
  Now for my favorite subjects. Oh, I think we lost you there.
• 46:12
  Can you just repeat that? I like painting, erotic stuff.
• 46:17
  It's one of my favorite subjects.
• 46:20
  Okay, but why? Because I like that's about it.
• 46:25
  That's it. Just a simple as that.
• 46:26
  They just follow my own nature. And what I feel like to paint
• 46:32
  thats what I paint. Okay, well, you Sur paint a lot
• 46:37
  of Famous people as well. You do like sketches of people.
• 46:42
  Yes, you do a lot of like a famous Estonian musicians and
• 46:44
  such. Is there any particular reason
• 46:46
  for that? Is that just kind of?
• 46:48
  I mean right now I can see a like half of a picture of Donald
• 46:51
  Trump in the background on your wall, on my office wall right
• 46:56
  over there, right? Yeah that's I have a few
• 46:59
  portrays they are pretty small sized usually but yeah I like to
• 47:04
  make my own takes on famous people. people, most of them are
• 47:09
  somehow some sort of They have inspired me somehow okay, I
• 47:17
  don't do just anybody. I only do them who actually
• 47:22
  inspire me with their personality or something
• 47:26
  something they had have achieved something that they have done
• 47:31
  and I also have four books by or about Donald Trump so he's one
• 47:38
  of my favorite characters since I don't know how long.
• 47:42
  Trusting. Okay.
• 47:43
  Okay, moving for now this I found interesting as well.
• 47:49
  Someone wanted to know. Are you a Christian?
• 47:53
  Are you religious at all? Well, I'm not a religious person
• 47:57
  quite religion actually like, confuses me too much, so I don't
• 48:02
  count myself a religious person, okay.
• 48:06
  But do you have any particular, beliefs, or anything, or you
• 48:10
  just kind of I mean not for me personally I'll tell you mine.
• 48:14
  Like if I'm very kind of open-minded, I kind of take
• 48:18
  little things from everything but I'd never kind of stick to
• 48:21
  one particular Lane. I just like to keep my mind open
• 48:25
  but the reason that this question came about was that
• 48:29
  someone had noticed that I think you you had like some
• 48:32
  Gravitation towards. I can maybe do some Christians
• 48:35
  site somewhere or something that was Christian.
• 48:37
  So they wondered if you perhaps religious, but Talk to me a
• 48:42
  little bit about like, not particularly love lat, so I
• 48:48
  don't count myself to religious. Okay.
• 48:51
  Fair enough. I'm more like a philosophical
• 48:54
  person. I think that.
• 48:57
  Yeah. Me too.
• 48:58
  Fair play. Fair play.
• 49:00
  All right. Well that play.
• 49:05
  Do you think that sort of TV formats these days and you know,
• 49:11
  just shows in general. I like a friendly environment to
• 49:14
  work in. So let's I would say let's let's
• 49:17
  focus on Estonia like typically speaking when you're on a set
• 49:22
  more specifically with TV shows, do you do you feel kind of
• 49:25
  comfortable? Is it nice to be there or I
• 49:29
  don't know. Is it is it shit?
• 49:30
  Eid is are things that you don't like like talk to us a little
• 49:33
  bit about that. Hold on.
• 49:42
  That was a little bit vague. Well okay let me see.
• 49:47
  What do you mean by that? Like I think what this person
• 49:50
  means is because I've seen you on on like you know behind the
• 49:53
  scenes on certain TV shows and Estonia and such and I think
• 49:56
  what they mean is when you're let's say in the crowd for
• 50:02
  something or your Maybe you're actually acting on not acting
• 50:06
  like you're on a TV show. Actually know, come to think of
• 50:08
  it. You have done some stuff in more
• 50:10
  recent years, I think a year or two ago.
• 50:12
  You were on something that might have been on like Deborah Cox or
• 50:17
  something like that or gone on got seriously.
• 50:21
  Yes, I remember, I don't remember what it was called.
• 50:25
  It was a well. Okay, maybe I have been on, like
• 50:29
  I've been on hundreds of filming sand.
• 50:34
  Different sets. So okay there are slightly
• 50:37
  different so I don't know whether that's good.
• 50:40
  That's that kind of feeds into what I'm saying here.
• 50:42
  So like all of those TV shows shows that you were part of was
• 50:47
  it a friendly environment to work in Well, it's any set
• 50:53
  environment. It's always like a friendly
• 50:57
  place to work with. I can handle it, I I can
• 51:03
  understand what's going on there.
• 51:05
  I know what to do II. Get the point, what we're doing,
• 51:09
  we're to be how to be. So I get understanding how the
• 51:15
  set works, and I can figure it out on a different set in in a
• 51:19
  few moments. So, Yeah, definitely.
• 51:23
  Well, I'm not a drag there. So if you're a dragon asset,
• 51:27
  then you may even get to experience a little bit
• 51:30
  unfriendly. So well, if you're not a drag,
• 51:34
  you, you'll have a different experience.
• 51:37
  So, depends. Absolutely.
• 51:39
  I agree, your skill level and set.
• 51:42
  I agree with you. I mean, given the I know you
• 51:46
  want a more personal about, I can sort of say that you're the
• 51:48
  type of person that it doesn't matter if you're on your own.
• 51:50
  Rona with people, you're having a good time.
• 51:53
  You're happy. But, you know, I guess it's
• 51:57
  different for different people, but have you never experienced
• 52:00
  anything - then on a TV set? You know, I don't know, maybe
• 52:04
  unprofessional people, or I don't know, bad conditions or
• 52:10
  just I mean because what this person is I think what they're
• 52:12
  trying to get to is maybe certain shows have like a
• 52:16
  negative environment or something like that.
• 52:19
  All they're not pleasant to be. Are you saying that you just
• 52:22
  never noticed that or experienced?
• 52:25
  That or is it more? Just like if you did you just
• 52:29
  don't care. I don't know, I I haven't been
• 52:40
  on a set with a negative environment that also, there's
• 52:44
  always a positive grew and it's always a pleasant experience.
• 52:49
  Okay. Let's do that.
• 52:51
  Well, depends on how much effort goes on my part.
• 52:56
  So, last time on action movie, I injured my back.
• 53:02
  The suit slightly by scratching it up on a wall but that was a
• 53:10
  minor downside. I didn't feel it on the set I
• 53:14
  felt it afterwards when I sat in the car.
• 53:17
  So yeah. So but yeah, it was fun.
• 53:21
  I made a picture of my back and put it on the Instagram as well
• 53:24
  like but sometimes you have to like pay for the role by Blood,
• 53:35
  I guess so, but that's pretty extreme.
• 53:37
  Well yeah, I that's not the first injury and when I'm going
• 53:42
  to the set time, also mentally prepared to get the injured and
• 53:47
  still continue playing so. So I'm already prepared for the
• 53:56
  for like overcoming pain or something because it may
• 54:02
  Happened. So what kind of injuries have
• 54:04
  you had? In addition to that?
• 54:06
  Then like what other injuries if you had not nothing really
• 54:12
  serious, just bumps bruises and scratches and and some minor no
• 54:20
  rubbing. Some some Footwear and
• 54:24
  unsuitable that Rob's a hole into my leg or something.
• 54:29
  So that makes a stepping a little bit hairy.
• 54:32
  Yeah, so yeah. So I have to play overcoming
• 54:36
  some level of pain as a result of falling into something like a
• 54:44
  one, one scene, I fell into the thali rails.
• 54:49
  Nice first, so so yeah. Yeah, I must carry holding
• 54:57
  another man. So I fell down under And I
• 55:03
  managed to slow him down enough that he didn't get hurt rag.
• 55:08
  Like slipped up away from under my foot planted, then I lost
• 55:13
  balance and fell into the dolly rails.
• 55:17
  And well, after getting up, I will continue playing few more
• 55:21
  takes and as we got it finished. So, but yeah, it didn't break
• 55:26
  the character or anything nobody knew.
• 55:29
  I got hurt because it wasn't me. Rational, it wasn't my plan to
• 55:35
  break character or anything to? Yeah, exactly.
• 55:40
  I play my fellow. Good on you.
• 55:43
  All right, now, I've never actually asked you about this
• 55:48
  not even on a personal level so this is going to be funny.
• 55:51
  I wasn't even really sure how to ask this question because I'm
• 55:55
  still kind of wrapping my brains around this a couple of months
• 55:59
  back. I don't know how long ago you
• 56:01
  decided. it's start the search for, like, The only way I can
• 56:06
  describe this is like a female companion, right?
• 56:10
  As I understand from like a TV type show or YouTube show,
• 56:14
  something like that. We do.
• 56:15
  Yes. But you would produce, right?
• 56:17
  Yeah. And solutely, as I understand in
• 56:20
  Estonia Media, or maybe, just in Estonia in general, I don't
• 56:24
  know. Someone said to me, that it
• 56:27
  created a little bit of controversy.
• 56:29
  And as I said, yeah, that the reason for this is because of,
• 56:33
  like, your wording in terms of the You will.
• 56:36
  Okay. You were looking specifically
• 56:39
  for an athletic sort of good-looking woman.
• 56:45
  Absolutely right to play your counterpart to talk to me.
• 56:52
  What the hell is this show? What is what you trying to do
• 56:55
  here? That's that's my own idea like
• 57:03
  worked out this idea. like to find like, Find like that other
• 57:14
  part for my life. So I might taste is actually
• 57:20
  sort of athletic who I am. I'm physically active person, so
• 57:26
  don't hold us. So so I do like to have a
• 57:30
  partner who was like similar to. This is just a search for a
• 57:36
  girlfriend. Is that what?
• 57:37
  Yeah, exactly. Pretty much.
• 57:42
  Yeah, that's ambitious. It's not the thing that.
• 57:46
  Yeah, it will be a show, but it's also to find you a
• 57:49
  girlfriend. Yeah, of course, it will be.
• 57:54
  I will, I will make it a show. So, do you okay Playing devil's
• 57:59
  advocate for a second? Do you not think you're being a
• 58:01
  little bit sort of shallow in putting in your advert?
• 58:05
  Like, she needs to be athletic and good-looking.
• 58:08
  And I mean, some people might say that, A bit shallow or a
• 58:12
  bit, you know. Yeah.
• 58:15
  Something like that. Well, yeah, depends.
• 58:18
  There's always something that can be improved.
• 58:21
  So, so too much in depth, won't be like necessary either.
• 58:29
  So, I'm his rights keep great. Darius, has to be out but some
• 58:34
  criteria, scan conflicts, a little bit like which is like,
• 58:38
  people might say to you as well like well, you know, you're
• 58:42
  nothing special like you know, look at you.
• 58:45
  Maybe you need to be more athletic, maybe you need to be
• 58:48
  better looking like, you know, people might have that kind of
• 58:52
  opinion, why not right? But I don't care, you don't
• 58:55
  care. Yeah I know what I want.
• 58:57
  So I don't know whether it's a person who doesn't if a person
• 59:04
  doesn't like me. Then we're learned something
• 59:08
  like let's find that out quick. Okay.
• 59:11
  But like what, what exactly are you trying to do?
• 59:15
  With. Okay, you're trying to find a
• 59:16
  girlfriend fine. Yes, it's a bit mad but I mean
• 59:20
  maybe it will work. Maybe, I don't know, right.
• 59:24
  But like what is the show actually going to be as it going
• 59:26
  to be like, documentary-style like filming you trying to find
• 59:29
  a girlfriend and then like what what's what is it like?
• 59:35
  Because when I first read The Advertiser, thought it was just
• 59:38
  a show, a fictional show and you just wanted a female.
• 59:43
  Well it nope. Okay.
• 59:45
  All right, so it's not. It can be a kind of can be made
• 59:49
  a fiction as well. So to bake, like videos and
• 59:54
  public thinks on video together. Like so aye-aye the main
• 1:00:02
  requirement is like public performance experience.
• 1:00:07
  So that's main requirement. It is Okay, so, it's not just a
• 1:00:15
  girlfriend. Then you're kind of almost
• 1:00:16
  looking for like a colleague, someone to do what you do.
• 1:00:21
  Well, yeah, who says the sheriff's there?
• 1:00:24
  Same lifestyle because it otherwise, maybe conflicting, if
• 1:00:31
  I have a shy girl friend, who is maybe like unwilling to be
• 1:00:39
  performing anywhere or may actually become later.
• 1:00:44
  On sabotaging me. Like I have experienced that
• 1:00:49
  with a girlfriend who was shy and I was a public person and
• 1:00:54
  that girlfriend actually went to Links like that she actually
• 1:00:58
  refused to photograph me because she didn't want other people to
• 1:01:04
  see pictures of me. So I must be crazy.
• 1:01:08
  That's that's that's the point where she actually committed
• 1:01:12
  suicide in. Russian ship terms in my eyes.
• 1:01:18
  What a way to put a okay. Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  If you if a girlfriend tries to sabotage me, that's that's a
• 1:01:26
  signal for me to throw her out. I mean, I wouldn't have quite
• 1:01:31
  put it the way you put it, but I get your sentiment there.
• 1:01:34
  It's basically like it. You need someone who supports
• 1:01:37
  you and doesn't as you exactly as you.
• 1:01:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody without an experience
• 1:01:44
  of public performing can The have understanding even so it's
• 1:01:51
  required to have experience of public performing on camera or
• 1:01:56
  in in front of masses, okay? All right, have you had much
• 1:02:01
  success with this in terms of the application process?
• 1:02:05
  Well, hey, it's pretty, it's pretty interesting.
• 1:02:08
  Hopefully, I can get something worked out but have you had
• 1:02:12
  people apply and have you had some rest?
• 1:02:14
  Well, I had some Okay. Interest going up but I'm not in
• 1:02:20
  a hurry so but okay, I get that but like talk to me a little bit
• 1:02:23
  about this audition process because right you're a bit of an
• 1:02:27
  eccentric person. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:30
  Right. Right.
• 1:02:31
  So what do you put these poor women through?
• 1:02:35
  Like what? I've just been very easy but
• 1:02:42
  there are Cho is one of the essential thing to get.
• 1:02:46
  Through exploring is very essential thing to get through,
• 1:02:51
  hold on, hold on. So you saying pretty much as far
• 1:02:55
  as it goes there's no nothing worse than that, okay?
• 1:03:01
  So you just take them along with you on your regular thing.
• 1:03:05
  Yes, absolutely. Okay.
• 1:03:08
  All right because a person who's not unwilling or incapable to be
• 1:03:13
  with me, can't be with me. Okay, this is a bit of a random
• 1:03:18
  question, but hypothetically, let's say you find someone who
• 1:03:23
  is perfect professionally like they, they want to do everything
• 1:03:26
  with you. You know.
• 1:03:27
  They want to improve your art show.
• 1:03:29
  Do you're exploring do whatever. Like they're just, they work
• 1:03:31
  with you very well but for whatever reason, you just don't
• 1:03:35
  connect. Relationship-wise, are you going
• 1:03:37
  to maybe, okay, you're gonna discount people like that or no?
• 1:03:42
  Okay, They also work fine, any show guests will work fine as
• 1:03:50
  well. Like, I guess what?
• 1:03:53
  I'm trying to say is like, do they have to be your girlfriend
• 1:03:57
  to be? Do they have to be your
• 1:03:59
  girlfriend to be like successful?
• 1:04:03
  Understand. Okay.
• 1:04:04
  So like They need to be dating you to be working with you.
• 1:04:11
  No. Not at all novice.
• 1:04:14
  So the it's kind of in a way I guess because I think that's
• 1:04:17
  what's drawing a lot of controversy for you with this.
• 1:04:22
  Because for me, I just think it's kind of funny.
• 1:04:24
  I don't really see anything harmful in it, to be honest, but
• 1:04:27
  I can understand that other people might look at it and be
• 1:04:29
  like, that's a bit, you know, what's this guy doing?
• 1:04:33
  Kind of thing? But I mean to me it seems very
• 1:04:34
  harmless. It's like you're kind of saying,
• 1:04:36
  well, I want One that I can work with who absolutely right who
• 1:04:40
  supports me and hey if you get along we get along and great
• 1:04:43
  like that's an added bonus, kind of thing.
• 1:04:46
  Well, yeah, it's not exactly a work, gets a, like, a lifestyle
• 1:04:50
  and who doesn't understand it is like, do you consider your like
• 1:04:55
  public Life as a work or lifestyle?
• 1:05:00
  Or a combination of them. That's a very good question, you
• 1:05:03
  know. That's hmm.
• 1:05:06
  Fair play, fair play. We'll listen.
• 1:05:10
  Thank you very much for being so sort of candid and forthcoming
• 1:05:14
  with your answers. I know.
• 1:05:15
  Okay, I know I've grilled you a little bit here and there but to
• 1:05:18
  me that's just fine. I like grilling, I think, if
• 1:05:22
  anything what we have established is that Is very
• 1:05:27
  positive again. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:05:29
  Like I had I wouldn't say doubts with this but I was looking at
• 1:05:34
  some of these things. Like I'm interested to know what
• 1:05:36
  you're going to say. Like genuinely, just because I'm
• 1:05:39
  curious and I think you just come off across very well with a
• 1:05:43
  lot of this. It just seems that you have very
• 1:05:45
  honest intentions and I think that's kind of the key with this
• 1:05:48
  General. I mean, it's like it's very easy
• 1:05:50
  for people to assume things based on like if we take
• 1:05:54
  solutely, yeah, if we take that as an example, That advert when
• 1:05:58
  I first saw that advert, I just laughed.
• 1:06:00
  I thought it was funny but I didn't really I didn't really
• 1:06:04
  get it because I didn't look into it like a lot.
• 1:06:06
  But I kept seeing people making comments.
• 1:06:09
  Well yeah, absolutely. You did.
• 1:06:12
  That wasn't even for you because I'm looking good girlfriend.
• 1:06:16
  Not you. So you were in the park at group
• 1:06:21
  anyway? Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah. But what I mean is like, unless
• 1:06:26
  Really sit down and talk to you and figure out like okay, this
• 1:06:30
  is exactly what he's looking for.
• 1:06:32
  It's not something. Yes, there's not an ulterior
• 1:06:36
  motive, there's not like something sinister, it's just a
• 1:06:39
  guy as you said I think that is absolutely putting it best is
• 1:06:43
  life for the I thought about the same thing like how to
• 1:06:48
  communicate the best part best I can but I do see room for
• 1:06:54
  improvement but everybody who's making?
• 1:06:56
  Oh God, their theories is making 30 erase paste on themselves,
• 1:07:01
  and their own experience, and these are real relevant in my
• 1:07:06
  life. Fair play, fair play.
• 1:07:10
  So during this product class to a close, do you have anything
• 1:07:14
  coming up? Any major projects that we
• 1:07:16
  should know about? Now's your time to plug, plug
• 1:07:19
  plug? Let us know what's coming up or
• 1:07:21
  any final thoughts you'd like to share.
• 1:07:24
  Listen up. Final thoughts.
• 1:07:28
  Well, I don't have anything much concrete, but hey, that's a good
• 1:07:33
  thing. Refrain from saying that, the
• 1:07:35
  whole podcast, only once a fair play.
• 1:07:37
  Oh yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:07:40
  I made to exploring videos today.
• 1:07:42
  So, I had a dose of daily dose of concrete fixed.
• 1:07:46
  So it actually, I will ask a final question on that.
• 1:07:50
  Do you feel Is it any different for you?
• 1:07:53
  Doing it alone? Because I feel like I can't
• 1:07:55
  really do it alone or I feel uncomfortable.
• 1:07:58
  Doing it alone. Personally, like, I'm kind of
• 1:08:00
  waiting until I can build either a crew or like a solid person
• 1:08:04
  that I can go with what additions and stuff.
• 1:08:07
  It does help. It does help to go with somebody
• 1:08:12
  going alone is is not that good. I can do it, but parts of things
• 1:08:21
  I can't do. Alone.
• 1:08:23
  So it will most likely be better with with somebody but depends
• 1:08:28
  on the somebody who who's to somebody like we you it was
• 1:08:34
  absolutely possible but with somebody who don't understand
• 1:08:39
  where they are, and what they see who don't have any awareness
• 1:08:45
  of anything, can't sit speak, anything that's just as good as
• 1:08:50
  being alone, but with you, you You were the most effective
• 1:08:54
  effective video Partners, so far.
• 1:08:56
  So we had those things. What we had was special baby, it
• 1:09:01
  was something magical. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:09:05
  We got some something cooking there, you got it, you got the,
• 1:09:09
  you got the show part, you got the Talking part.
• 1:09:11
  You got pretty much everything gets its blood sugar or an
• 1:09:16
  interesting person to go with with some a lot of potential.
• 1:09:21
  So it It works. It doesn't work with just
• 1:09:25
  anybody who are not a performer, it won't be working, some will
• 1:09:29
  be talented, but but that they will show promise.
• 1:09:33
  Definitely, I agree with you and I don't just think it's urbex as
• 1:09:38
  well. I think in all types of content
• 1:09:40
  creation you need someone who yes.
• 1:09:43
  Preferably is doing the same thing as you like just gets it
• 1:09:46
  so you don't have to sit and explain.
• 1:09:47
  Well, hey, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:09:52
  I didn't have to explain you anything.
• 1:09:54
  I could explain you. Why the blocks are there?
• 1:09:57
  Like, we could discuss their architecture and the layout of
• 1:10:00
  the concrete or the plan or something?
• 1:10:02
  Yeah, that's you got it. Like, I think this is because I
• 1:10:06
  was obsessed with history and I love stuff and for some reason I
• 1:10:09
  just love abandoned places. I don't know what it is.
• 1:10:12
  It's just can't explain how it do.
• 1:10:14
  I like those. I think I went making videos
• 1:10:18
  today. He's just an interesting
• 1:10:20
  concept, isn't it? Because like some places So
• 1:10:22
  obvious why it's been abandoned. And, you know, the story usually
• 1:10:25
  just be like, oh, close down people left, whatever, right.
• 1:10:28
  But when it's been like so long and it's, it's still sitting
• 1:10:31
  there derelict, it's just weird. It's like, why is it saying
• 1:10:35
  that, why hasn't it been destroyed?
• 1:10:37
  Like what, like, like if we take that abandoned Bible school, as
• 1:10:43
  an example that we discussed at the beginning?
• 1:10:45
  Like absolutely. You know, we said in the video,
• 1:10:48
  I think you said that it's actually owned by someone.
• 1:10:52
  And it has been for the last 15 years.
• 1:10:55
  It's just yeah, just whatever, they're not doing anything with
• 1:10:57
  it. And someone asked me if I was
• 1:11:01
  actually recently and I said that, I based on what you told
• 1:11:05
  me, what other people were saying, it kind of seemed.
• 1:11:07
  And also just what I understand in Estonia, I think it's just a
• 1:11:10
  case of like, you know, A combination of things like a, it
• 1:11:16
  could be a funding issue. Sometimes that happens where
• 1:11:18
  you're working on something and then you just don't have the
• 1:11:20
  money to finish it. So you just leave it there until
• 1:11:23
  such a time as you do and also purpose-built like, you know, as
• 1:11:27
  I said at the beginning again people in the comments of when
• 1:11:31
  you shared the video with saying that like, you know, there was
• 1:11:33
  intentions to make it into like a care home or something and
• 1:11:36
  then, okay, you know, maybe maybe it's changed, maybe I
• 1:11:40
  don't know. People change their minds or
• 1:11:42
  whatever the case Maybe but it just having something like that.
• 1:11:46
  Just sitting there is weird and especially, to be honest with
• 1:11:52
  you, I'm very surprised with a lot of those bunkers that I like
• 1:11:56
  the fact that there's so many of them in Estonia.
• 1:12:00
  Just sitting there doing nothing.
• 1:12:03
  I mean, to me, it seems like I said, this to you in person, I
• 1:12:06
  don't think I've ever said this on the podcast, or in my videos,
• 1:12:09
  really buddy. I think it's just a wasted
• 1:12:11
  opportunity. In terms of, you know, it's
• 1:12:15
  another way you can explore Torres tourist opportunities and
• 1:12:19
  Estonia can say, hey, look at all this history that we have
• 1:12:23
  and obviously yeah but like not not properly janata mean like if
• 1:12:28
  it were me if I was going to take see where we have urbex are
• 1:12:32
  like tourist company is here working, that is working with
• 1:12:37
  doing Explorations like this for like interest fashion.
• 1:12:44
  Really. Yes, what are they called?
• 1:12:47
  What's the name was something exploration, Al was in their
• 1:12:54
  name? I have to, I have to search it.
• 1:12:57
  They have also a Facebook page and something like that.
• 1:12:59
  So they are selling tickets for the tour's Into the Bunker.
• 1:13:05
  Send stuff that we were visited. Pretty much just jokes.
• 1:13:09
  That is actually jokes. That then like I respect that I
• 1:13:12
  think that that's what should happen.
• 1:13:15
  Although to be honest, what I was going to say is that I think
• 1:13:18
  that those places firstly, need to be like cleaned up like get
• 1:13:21
  rid of all the trash that's in there, clean it up and make it
• 1:13:24
  safe and then work on kind of displaying it, you know, getting
• 1:13:29
  Lighting in there. Like, for example, that place
• 1:13:32
  that we checked out a couple of places that the big tunnels that
• 1:13:37
  we saw the big underground tunnel things, the big hundred
• 1:13:42
  year olds, Bunker that we saw. That was quite close to that
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  abandoned Bible school. You know, where the one where
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  you were kind of annoyed? Do you remember when you were
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  like all this kind of pisses me off?
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  Like that, there was trash so far and deep in the forest and
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  like, I agreed with you? I was a bit like someone has
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  really gone out of their way to like, dump this stuff here.
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  I think if you would like, like I said, clear it up, get some
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  some artificial Lighting in there and just kind of display
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  it and keep, you know, kind of well I have it.
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  Yeah, that's Well. It's abandoned place.
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  So I like it, don't do it on that trashy, way to go in with a
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  flashlight. So, that's pretty much what they
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  are doing as well. Just as we are going in day or
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  take tourists in Fair Play. And make sure you send me the
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  link to that. And when this pot, yeah, you
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  signed it, I see it all the time on my Facebook, but I I haven't
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  really search for it. I just Found it somehow.
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  Oh, make sure it's included in the links because that's
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  actually pretty interesting. I think I've always thought that
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  like I said in Estonia that would be a great way to just
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  further kind of perpetuate everything that Estonia has to
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  offer because I think that like historically there is a lot to
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  offer and oh yeah, absolutely. There are a lot of places that
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  are just you know destroyed and just need to be cleaned up but
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  there was a lot of them that are standing their relatively
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  intact. I could see, you know, they do
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  need to be cleaned up, like I said, but you know, largely, you
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  know, promising and could be revamped and also used for other
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  purposes as well. Like me.
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  And you often would say to each other.
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  Like you could use this for a music event or a rave or never
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  like, you know, there's a bunker re-baited, absolutely.
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  Like I remember thinking about the bunker party like making an
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  orbit that then like I remember when I first used started going
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  to Estonia years ago, I Is told that but that I prison, which
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  for anyone who doesn't know, it is a prison and abandoned Soviet
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  prison in Estonia, which is quite close to delos Gibby,
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  which is like the, nope, it is quite close.
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  You can walk there. It's a close to Delena heil.
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  Yeah, and that is give you is neither it's all in the rough
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  immediate area. No.
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  Yeah, well yeah, it's close enough.
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  They're all in Tallinn. All right.
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  But what I mean by close enough is that walking distance.
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  I could walk from Linna high level to tell us?
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  Give ya do that? Do?
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  Absolutely. That's kind of more I meant,
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  right? Yeah.
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  It's all yeah. I mean, I supposed to write
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  immediately speaking immediately speaking.
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  But I prisoners is near a kind of I don't know what to call it.
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  I guess. It's like a market, a fish, a
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  fish market, something like that.
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  Remember correctly. There's look at what I remember
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  about is there's like a little market area and then there's
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  like, oh yeah. Yeah, that's the next Lena.
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  I'll that's a little Harbor there.
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  Yeah, you're right, right, right, right.
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  Oh excellent. That's good.
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  So yeah, there's all of the stuff leading up there and you
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  know and basically what I've heard is that they do Raves
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  Occasionally or they did. But that I prison and before I
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  left Estonia, I remember seeing that they'd kind of put some
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  money into things like putting up signs and stuff around the
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  prison and kind of working on the tourist or element of it.
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  But it seems that it's not really used for those Raves or
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  those events anymore. It's just purely, you know, a
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  tourist attraction and No charge to go in there and stuff, but
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  you know, I always thought as a bit of shame but then I'd heard
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  that it was more to do with safety reasons that they don't
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  do the rage there anymore because it is an old building.
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  But yeah, it just, I think things like that are always
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  always good. You know, in terms of giving a
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  location like a multi-purpose reason for existing, you know
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  what I mean? Like not just tours, but also
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  other things. Oh yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, this has been this has
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  been interesting. You hon.
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  You know thank you so much for this.
• 1:18:17
  You're welcome. Yeah, and I want to say a big
• 1:18:22
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• 1:18:26
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• 1:18:29
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• 1:18:36
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• 1:18:48
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• 1:18:50
  Absolutely, absolutely. So I want to say a big thank you
• 1:18:54
  to everyone listening and until next time, I bid you adieu.
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  So I know.