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Can You Build a Business God's Way? | FT Tonthalell Walters | EP177 · Jess Ask

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  Speaker 1: Yo, it's your girl Jessica S. Smith, and you already
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  Speaker 1: I know we could be another way. It's a new
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  Speaker 1: week at Just Ask the Podcast, the safe space where
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  Speaker 1: transparency meets transformation. It's your girl, Jessica S. Smith, and
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  Speaker 1: I do nothing without my girl, Desiree. Hey. Desiree. Hey. Desiree, Desiree, Desiree, Desiree, Desiree.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to start calling this the Desiree Mouse. The D-Mouse. Y'all, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Get a little shoulder action. Yeah. Work them little shoulders
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  Speaker 1: out a little bit. So you got a little, because
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  Speaker 1: if y'all ever see Desiree on the dance floor, it's
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  Speaker 1: got to be a specific song. What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: what are you talking about what you don't want me
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  Speaker 1: to tell your business i mean sure it's okay we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna just show it when the wedding happened if they
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  Speaker 1: have a wedding because we're i'm fighting about that right
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  Speaker 1: now but anyway anyway anyway anyway anyway anyway back to
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  Speaker 1: it desiree tell us how you feeling today sis oh
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  Speaker 1: man i'm good you know i'm into this in this
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  Speaker 1: new decade of age and things the lord 40 and
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  Speaker 1: fine fine and 40 you know the lord is good
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  Speaker 1: the lord is How you doing, sister? I am great.
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  Speaker 1: You see, I have my marching orders on. I see.
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  Speaker 1: You got your fatigue on. You see, I'm ready to salute. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: come on. I heard there was a general in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Come on. Come on. So... I'm excited. I am nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Even the pre-conversation, the pre-recording conversation. Wouldn't that be good?
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  Speaker 1: You know it's going to, it's about to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So buckle up, bottle cup, okay? I know we say
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  Speaker 1: that for, like, every guest. Like, buckle up. But, like,
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  Speaker 1: for real, like, you guys, like, buckle up. I'm super excited. One,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just grateful for her. Yes. I've had the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to be under her leadership for the last two years
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  Speaker 1: now in the enlisted School of Intercession and Prayer program.
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  Speaker 1: And I can say the Lord is doing a thing
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  Speaker 1: over there, right? The Lord is doing a different kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. What is over there? Tell the people what's
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  Speaker 1: over there. In the enlisted school of intercession and prayer, okay?
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  Speaker 1: This is not your typical... prayer school i thought i
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  Speaker 1: listen i ain't gonna lie i'm gonna be transparent i
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  Speaker 1: thought when i first encountered i said oh the lord
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  Speaker 1: about to teach me how to pray like i'm about
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  Speaker 1: to be i'm gonna pray heaven down because my sister
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  Speaker 1: my sister over there can pray to him you know
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  Speaker 1: she'd be praying the heavens down you know and i
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  Speaker 1: was like i'm gonna i'm gonna learn how to pray
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  Speaker 1: like that in the seat and all the things and
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  Speaker 1: the lord said yeah that's gonna come but let me
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  Speaker 1: deal with you yeah let me let me deal with
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  Speaker 1: You know, these things that's been laying underneath this layer
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  Speaker 1: right here that you ain't been dealing with. And so
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  Speaker 1: for the last two years, the Lord has been dealing
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  Speaker 1: with me. Dealing with you, but you've been, like, really
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  Speaker 1: producing because you've been in this community. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like, I've seen you flourish. And so I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited to have your leader on. Yeah. Because being
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  Speaker 1: able to experience the person that has helped you come
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  Speaker 1: out of the soil.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I feel like. She has helped you come
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  Speaker 1: out of the soil. You know how seeds all be there,
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  Speaker 1: but one water, one plant's one water, but God gets
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  Speaker 1: to increase. Shout out to Increase Media. That's our business.
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  Speaker 1: Shameless plug. Shameless plug. Not so shameless. But who do
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  Speaker 1: we have today, Desiree? So today I get to introduce,
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  Speaker 1: she's an apostle. She's a leader. She's an intercessor. She's
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  Speaker 1: a builder. She's a woman of God. But most importantly,
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  Speaker 1: she's a daughter of the king. Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So I introduced to some and what's the, how do
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  Speaker 1: they say? Introduce to some and present to others. Apostle
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  Speaker 1: Tontanel Walters. Shut up. It's okay. Apostle Tontanel Walters. But
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  Speaker 1: we so affectionately call her General Tease. Hello. Salute to
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  Speaker 1: the general. I know people are going to talk about me.
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  Speaker 1: Steve is going to talk about how my hand is up,
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  Speaker 1: but it's okay. Salute to the general.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all are wild. Y'all are wild. Thank y'all so much.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, Desiree. Thank you for even
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  Speaker 3: thinking about me. And yes, we met just here briefly.
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  Speaker 3: Jess is wild.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Okay. But she's good. Already, I can tell
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  Speaker 2: she's good people.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thankful that you got a best friend that got God. Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Come on. Look, my Shundo just Shundo. Because y'all don't
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  Speaker 1: understand this conversation. I feel like what's interesting, General T,
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  Speaker 1: for one, let me reiterate, thank you. Because my friend
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  Speaker 1: needs people to make her realize that she is a blessing,
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful being. And for her to come out that
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  Speaker 1: soil and make right, created to create, like that inspired me.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you so much for your obedience to God
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  Speaker 1: because it allows others to obey. So when I was
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  Speaker 1: talking to God about our conversation, the scripture came to mind.
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  Speaker 1: And the scripture came to mind was Matthew 28, 19.
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  Speaker 1: And it says, go therefore and make disciples of all nations.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Holy Spirit. Baptizing them in the name of
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  Speaker 1: the Father and the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: But the first part of this is go therefore and
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  Speaker 1: make disciples of all nations. And I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: are doing that with Enlisted and in the most unique
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  Speaker 1: way possible, even to the point where... We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: being a transformative leader. What does that look like and
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  Speaker 1: how does that differ and challenge the church that we're
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  Speaker 1: in today?
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  Speaker 3: That's a loaded question. It's a loaded question. You said something,
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  Speaker 3: go and make disciples. There's two things that God revealed
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  Speaker 3: to me, I want to say probably about 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: He said, you got two jobs, just two jobs, very simple.
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  Speaker 3: Your job is to be a witness and to make disciples.
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  Speaker 3: Very simple. Nothing, nothing major. It ain't, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: robes and the cross and the chains. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're looking to be seen. No, he said your job
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  Speaker 3: as a son is to be a witness and to
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  Speaker 3: make disciples.
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  Speaker 2: And that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Disciples, not of me, because that's crazy. Disciples of him.
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  Speaker 3: And but we see that a lot in the body today.
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  Speaker 3: People have they say they're doing kingdom work. But the
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  Speaker 3: reality is that they're building their own empires and they're
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  Speaker 3: making replicas of themselves when God showed us.
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  Speaker 2: Through his word.
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  Speaker 3: Through his infallible word to mark the perfect man, to
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  Speaker 3: behold the upright at the end of that man is peace.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not marking a man that is not God. The
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  Speaker 3: only man that's God is Yeshua. That's the one we mark.
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  Speaker 3: And so my job is to be a witness, a
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  Speaker 3: purveyor of his power, a testimony of of his transformation
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  Speaker 3: and then to go make disciples. If we don't have
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  Speaker 3: a testimony, we don't have that transformational experience. It's going
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  Speaker 3: to be super difficult for you to make disciples. So
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  Speaker 3: what happens is we substitute and we make replicas instead
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  Speaker 3: of disciples because we're missing that first part. Are you
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  Speaker 3: even a witness? Are you even a witness of what
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  Speaker 3: God can do? And I bring that up because we see,
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  Speaker 3: and it's unfortunate, it breaks my heart because the Ecclesia,
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  Speaker 3: that is, man, that's my heart because this is what
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  Speaker 3: God has put in this earth to reflect the kingdom.
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  Speaker 3: And so for me, it's like at all costs, we
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  Speaker 3: want to guard that. But what we've done with the
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  Speaker 3: systems that are in place, we call it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the local church, which we should be in Ecclesia, but
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  Speaker 3: we have brought ourselves to a place where the local churches,
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  Speaker 3: it has a role, but it is not the end
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  Speaker 3: all be all. And what we've done with that is
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  Speaker 3: we've become satisfied with just duplication of experiences and duplication of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, creating legacy, but not pointing them towards Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: not pointing them towards Yeshua, not pointing them towards kingdom work.
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  Speaker 3: And so for me, it's a very simplistic instruction, be
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  Speaker 3: a witness, make a disciple. And it's always leading back
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  Speaker 3: to him. And I think that is the difference. We
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  Speaker 3: see it modeled completely different. We want sons and we
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  Speaker 3: want daughters to look like the bishop, the apostle, the arch.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the truth.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to knock anybody for doing what
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  Speaker 3: they believe they're supposed to do. But according to scripture,
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  Speaker 3: we are to be a witness and to make disciples,
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  Speaker 3: not of ourselves, but of Yeshua. And I know somebody
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  Speaker 3: who's a Berean, because I am a Berean and I.
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  Speaker 1: Love the book.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to say, well, what about those who were
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  Speaker 2: of Paul?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we see what happened in the New Testament when
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  Speaker 3: there was an argument between those of Paul and Apollos.
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  Speaker 3: Then we had conflict because that was never supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be the case.
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  Speaker 2: And Paul, he wasn't doing that. It was the church
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  Speaker 2: of Corinth that it was the people who made the Division.
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  Speaker 2: And Paul corrected it. And he said, listen, it's not
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  Speaker 2: about being of me or of Apollos. We said this
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  Speaker 2: at the pre-recording. It's God.
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  Speaker 3: One plants the other waters and God gives the increase.
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  Speaker 3: That's where that all came from because of that conflict.
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  Speaker 3: And I think we need to get back to that
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  Speaker 3: space and place in the local church so that we
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  Speaker 3: can be the ecclesia and understand that I'm not... supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be replicating myself. I am supposed to be replicating
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  Speaker 3: the king. I'm supposed to be building priests and kings
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  Speaker 3: that do the work of the ministry so that we
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  Speaker 3: could move forward with the advancement of the kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: No, my Shundo is Shundoing right now. Desiree, I'm over
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  Speaker 1: here like, oh my gosh. When people say the Ecclesia,
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  Speaker 1: I say, oh, they know the Bible. well well they
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  Speaker 1: making it a thing now now it's hot now it's
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  Speaker 1: hot now everybody's got a hold of me joy pitman
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  Speaker 1: joy pitman is my sister in christ i just absolutely
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  Speaker 1: love how.
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  Speaker 2: The lord has developed us.
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  Speaker 1: She says it so fast. I said, girl, you be
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  Speaker 1: talking so fast. I've been having to break down what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, but no, you're talking good. What I think
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  Speaker 1: is when we think about discipleship, we only connect it
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  Speaker 1: to church. I think I didn't really fully understand discipleship until... I,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, Holy Spirit, I hear you, till I met
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  Speaker 1: my spiritual mother, who I didn't really know who was
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  Speaker 1: my spiritual mother until, you know, all that didn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense because I wasn't taught that option. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? I wasn't presented that as an option. But
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  Speaker 1: when I come into understanding and now being at Rehoboth
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  Speaker 1: Church Birmingham, where we're focused on discipleship, evangelism, and apologetics,
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  Speaker 1: I'm learning more what that looks like. And so what
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  Speaker 1: is the danger of us not appropriating discipleship outside of
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  Speaker 1: the four walls?
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  Speaker 3: It's a big danger. Now you said something. You learned
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  Speaker 3: that discipleship is not just catered to or confined. I
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  Speaker 3: should say that's a better word. Confined to the church system.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. Discipleship is holistic.
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  Speaker 3: In the Enlisted, the program that we have under Truth
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  Speaker 3: and Power Ministries, That was a mandate that the Lord
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  Speaker 3: gave me. He told me that I'm to teach a
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  Speaker 3: holistic gospel. And it's all biblical, straight foundation from the
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  Speaker 3: word of God. We don't go outside of it. We
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  Speaker 3: don't do no extra biblical stuff. He said a holistic gospel,
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  Speaker 3: here's why. Because when we go out into the marketplace,
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  Speaker 3: when we go out into the world, can they see
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  Speaker 3: you without saying anything and know that you belong to
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  Speaker 3: the kingdom?
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  Speaker 2: Now let's break that all the way down. It's not
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  Speaker 2: just about attire. It's about attitudes.
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  Speaker 3: It's about decisions that we make. We can get as
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  Speaker 3: deep as the pain points of health, exercise, the ability
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  Speaker 3: to be restraint, to exercise restraint with self-control, to be
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  Speaker 3: a person who governs ourselves and stewards what God has
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  Speaker 3: placed in our hands in the form of the currency.
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  Speaker 2: That we use here in this earth. It's holistic. If
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  Speaker 2: we don't show up that way, it This is why
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  Speaker 2: the world will look at the Christian church or those
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  Speaker 2: who call themselves believers and look at it as a joke,
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  Speaker 2: because you're not moving about the very place that God
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  Speaker 2: in Revelation, in Genesis, in Psalms gave you man dominion.
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  Speaker 2: He told us that the earth, he's given that to
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  Speaker 2: the sons of men. Now, what's beautiful about that is
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  Speaker 2: it didn't say the saved sons of men. He said,
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  Speaker 2: I gave it to the sons of men.
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  Speaker 3: And so you have to understand your role as a
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  Speaker 3: son in the earth, period. Now you decide whether or
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  Speaker 3: not you're going to serve the Lord or you're going
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  Speaker 3: to serve mammon. That's your business and you got to
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  Speaker 3: deal what you're in. But the reality is if we
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  Speaker 3: are going to represent the kingdom, think about it. You're
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  Speaker 3: representing an entire kingdom that governs the world. Are you
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  Speaker 3: really doing that? If I look at you, if I
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  Speaker 3: hear your speech, if I look at your a credit
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  Speaker 3: score or look at how you handle money and finances.
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  Speaker 3: If I look at how you care for your body,
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  Speaker 3: if I look at how you even, um, um, uh, address, uh, eating,
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  Speaker 3: if I look at all of those things, can I
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  Speaker 3: say that you are a son of the kingdom? Now,
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  Speaker 3: it's not to browbeat and it's not because I know
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  Speaker 3: people have brought up these types of subjects and they
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  Speaker 3: have just crushed people's spirit instead of giving them education
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  Speaker 3: and insight on how to change the mindset. But it's
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  Speaker 3: a long stringed history of how we got to this
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  Speaker 3: place where we don't look like the king's kids. We
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  Speaker 3: don't look like those who are. And I'm talking about bodily.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about on paper. I'm talking about in relationships.
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  Speaker 3: Our marriages are being impacted, just our platonic relationships. We
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  Speaker 3: see people in friendships, in relationships with people in the
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  Speaker 3: church as long as they're there. There's something toxic about
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  Speaker 3: this whole setup. Therefore, If we don't teach a holistic gospel,
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  Speaker 3: then we have a broken people at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day. That that is what solidified it for me
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  Speaker 3: when God was sharing with me about 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: This is how you're going to do this. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to teach a holistic gospel. You're going to teach it.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to teach it so that you'll be healed, whole, healthy, wealthy.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the four quadrants.
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  Speaker 3: That tap ministry is. is responsible for. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: be healed. We're going to be whole and we're going
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  Speaker 3: to be healthy and we're going to be wealthy. Those
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  Speaker 3: four things, the world can't say nothing to you when
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  Speaker 3: you got that under control. They can't say anything to you.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing. I think you bring up a good point. And
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  Speaker 1: even staying in this realm of marketplace ministry, there is
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  Speaker 1: a I know when I've come up to understand that
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  Speaker 1: there's a blend of both for me. I won't even
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  Speaker 1: say a blend. Omar El-Takori, I'm not sure if you're
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  Speaker 1: familiar with him, but he is a powerful foreign man
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  Speaker 1: of God, and he teach people content to cash strategies, right? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And so if you don't know him.
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  Speaker 2: Omar, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes. I know exactly who he is. Yes, yes, yes. Omar.
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  Speaker 1: He him. He him.
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  Speaker 2: He him.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the biggest things that I've learned from him,
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  Speaker 1: like when he was on our platform, he was basically saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: we as believers feel like we have to adjust sometimes
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  Speaker 1: to the marketplace. But understanding that we are ministry and marketplace,
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  Speaker 1: we could just be in a lot of the things
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  Speaker 1: that we learn are biblically proven and pushed. But because
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  Speaker 1: church has been identified as the way. Right? As the way.
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  Speaker 1: I think what happens is, I won't say forget the
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  Speaker 1: people that's outside that don't believe, but what happens, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it invites confusion and comparison.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When you have people like me, I love the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: I love a good church. But I also love the marketplace.
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  Speaker 1: I'm finding a love for being in the marketplace. And
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  Speaker 1: there has been a struggle and a confliction because I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: am I doing this right? And can I still be
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  Speaker 1: saved and still be righteous and still be holy in
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  Speaker 1: this space? So there's... I think that for me, it's
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  Speaker 1: a comparison thing and not just in the sense of...
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  Speaker 1: doing the marketplace or ministry, but what order do I
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  Speaker 1: put it in? What, what, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: What timing? It invites confusion and comparison. And it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want them to, I don't want my church
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  Speaker 1: to think this about me because I'm strongly over here
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  Speaker 1: right now in this season. And so how do you,
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  Speaker 1: how do you navigate and help people through it? And
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  Speaker 1: what has your journey been when you were building Enlisted?
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  Speaker 1: Because I can only imagine like you grew up in church, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a preacher's kid?
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. Not at all.
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  Speaker 3: So my siblings and I are like, you know, first
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  Speaker 3: generation from our family to be preachers and ministers and
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  Speaker 3: things like that.
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  Speaker 2: My mother, but my mother was a prayer warrior. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: she is. Amen. She's the one who taught me how
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  Speaker 2: to pray.
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  Speaker 1: Come on now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, it is there's a duality, which I
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  Speaker 3: think is a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: If we would just read our Bibles, we would find
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  Speaker 2: this in there.
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  Speaker 3: If we would read our Bibles, there were so many
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  Speaker 3: stewards in the Bible from the Old Testament to the
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: New Testament, stewards of businesses, these actual business owners. And
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  Speaker 3: we will find them, especially in the early church, these
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  Speaker 3: business owners who happen to be women sometimes. they had
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  Speaker 3: the capacity to house the ministry because they had a business, right?
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  Speaker 3: Now we get it confused and the confusion comes in
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  Speaker 3: with us believing the mindset of the kingdom of God
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  Speaker 3: being the building, being the system that we call church.
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  Speaker 3: It has to course correct by returning to its original
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  Speaker 3: role as the Ecclesia. We go to the book of
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  Speaker 3: Acts where they had what? All things in common. Somebody
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  Speaker 3: had to be balling. Somebody had to have enough resources
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  Speaker 3: to even institute the idea of all things in common.
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  Speaker 3: If I got a billion, you got a million, you
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  Speaker 3: are a thousandaire, you a hundredaire, what we going to
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  Speaker 3: do is bring everything together so we can all expand
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  Speaker 3: and grow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a business model.
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  Speaker 3: So it's all throughout the New Testament and the Old Testament.
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  Speaker 3: We see the Old Testament, we see it with Jacob,
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  Speaker 3: we see it with Abraham, we see it even, you
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  Speaker 3: can go all the way back to Genesis.
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  Speaker 2: There is a model for productivity.
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  Speaker 3: God did not make us in his image after his
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  Speaker 3: likeness for us to just be here and shouting and
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  Speaker 3: dancing and praying and all of that. No, you're after,
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  Speaker 3: after you have engaged with God, you have a responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: I teach my students that it's nonsense for you to
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  Speaker 3: pray in tongues and you know, spend time with God
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  Speaker 3: and you walk out of there without instruction. Instruction for what?
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  Speaker 3: Instruction for you to do what God has called you
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  Speaker 3: to do, to do what?
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  Speaker 2: Impact the earth. This is where we have dominion.
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  Speaker 3: The problem, again, is that we're waiting for the great
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  Speaker 3: by and by.
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  Speaker 2: He don't need a king in heaven. He already got one.
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  Speaker 2: He don't need, you know, any rulers, nobody to take
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  Speaker 2: dominion in heaven. That's already happening. It's a done deal.
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  Speaker 3: What he does institute from the beginning is for us, man,
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  Speaker 3: humanity to have dominion here.
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  Speaker 2: How do you have dominion? You take. All right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Let's look at the apostles. Why were the apostles hunted down?
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  Speaker 3: Why were the apostles killed? Because they were changing systems.
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  Speaker 2: That the apostle is a military leader.
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  Speaker 3: It's a military term. It is a term of you
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  Speaker 3: are making a threat. If you start establishing apostles, that
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  Speaker 3: means that you are now establishing your own ecclesia.
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  Speaker 2: You are establishing your own government. And so now this
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  Speaker 2: government is coming up against.
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  Speaker 3: The government, which, again, the people of God back in
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  Speaker 3: the Bible, they was hoping that Yeshua would come and
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  Speaker 3: tear up Rome and all of that stuff and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: destroy all of the burden that they were under.
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  Speaker 2: But they wouldn't get in the picture.
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  Speaker 3: But in any case, the apostles, they came and they
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  Speaker 3: set up the system that he instructed them to, to
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  Speaker 3: turn the current system because that's what apostles do. It's
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  Speaker 3: what we're supposed to be doing today. We're not doing that.
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  Speaker 3: We're not ready to do that, but that's what it's business.
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  Speaker 3: It is not something that is churchy. You're not an
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  Speaker 3: apostle to build churches, right? You're not you're not an apostle.
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  Speaker 3: You're an apostle to transform lives, systems, structures. That's what
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  Speaker 3: you're an apostle for. That's my belief. According to scripture,
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  Speaker 3: you are here to transform the systems that are in
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  Speaker 3: place that are not in alignment.
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  Speaker 2: With the kingdom of God. Why? Because this the earth
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  Speaker 2: is the Lord's. We are his joint heirs.
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  Speaker 3: We are the ones that are actually supposed to rule here.
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  Speaker 3: but we haven't stepped into that place because again, we
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  Speaker 3: are stuck in our tradition of what church is, what
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the Ecclesia is, because those are two different things. And
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: so we move based upon what we're told and not
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  Speaker 3: what we're informed of in the presence of the Lord.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: That's a whole nother subject by itself, because we do
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: have to ask the question, are we spending time in
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the presence of the Lord? Or are we just getting
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  Speaker 3: our insight from YouTube and from Snapchat and from TikTok
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and Instagram and all of that, because I can tell
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you now, especially with the rise of AI, it's very,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: very hard to determine whether or not people have revelation
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  Speaker 3: of what God is saying to the church.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that answered you. I hope that answered the question.
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  Speaker 1: You're answering and you're talking well, woman of God. You're
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: talking well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Because in Enlisted, one of the things I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: know is that Desiree has to wake up at 3
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  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. That's all of that. Don't stop. All of that.
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  Speaker 1: I said, Desiree, I don't know if I got it
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like that. You know what I'm saying? And it don't
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: have to be three o'clock. That's just what me and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Delora got going on. Yeah.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And that's all right. And that's all right.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But you didn't stop that until enlisted. Okay? So, with
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that said... With that said, you brought up the understanding
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of knowing and spending time with the Lord, right? How
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: do you teach that? And what is the biggest thing
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that people miss in doing it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the things I differentiate prayer
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: life and a life of prayer. Prayer lives are important.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my prayer life, you know, I have a
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: prayer life. You hear people say that all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is very important because that is the
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  Speaker 3: starting point. And let me back up and preface this
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  Speaker 3: by saying prayer is not the end all be all,
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  Speaker 3: but it is the beginning. OK, prayer is not the
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: end all be all, but it is the beginning. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: believe that when God initiates a relationship with us, you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: we can't come unless he calls us and he begins
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  Speaker 3: to draw us into him. And then it is our
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  Speaker 3: responsibility to continue to engage him.
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  Speaker 2: You see, he draws us by encounter. We was at church.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: The Holy Spirit touched us. We cried.
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  Speaker 3: Now we feel his presence. Now we want to know
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  Speaker 3: more about him. That's the encounter of God. That's when
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  Speaker 3: you start to develop that intimacy with him. And then
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  Speaker 3: you start to have a life. You start to develop
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  Speaker 3: a prayer life.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because you want to know more about this God that
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  Speaker 3: touched you. You want to know more about this this
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: encounter that you have. So you go seeking, you go searching,
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  Speaker 3: you go reading your Bible and all of those things.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: There is a difference between staying there and growing into
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a life of prayer. I teach my students that you
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: become prayer, that you are a conduit for God to
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: use you. And you are a conduit that houses prayer
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: and intercession. It is something that God calls you to,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: to go into a depth with him.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: We can't stay surface, but you can.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: The Bible talks about 30 fold, 60 fold, 100. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: some people are fine with 30 fold. You're not going
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to hell for 30 fold. And that's another issue where
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: People look at things as heaven or hell issues. Everything
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: is not a heaven or hell issue. It's an obedience thing.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Did God tell you to get up and pray? Did
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: God tell you to engage? And even if he didn't,
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  Speaker 3: if you want to know more, you're going to do that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I teach my students that the encounter is God's responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: The engagement is yours. You are responsible for growing your
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: relationship with God. I teach responsible relationship. And that part
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: is important for you to even get to the point
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: of instruction because you start with, well, you know what?
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start praying every day at 12.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: That's your prayer life. But then when you become a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: person of prayer and you.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Are a, you are a life of prayer, you can say,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I'm a pray at 12 and God can say, fine,
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  Speaker 3: that's wonderful.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to wake you up at three. I'm
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: going to wake you up at six. Actually, while you're
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in the.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Grocery store, I'm going to hit you with the spirit
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: of prayer in this in this moment. It's not unseemly.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: You know how to handle yourself. But but you teach
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: your spirit how to moan and groan. You teach your
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: spirit how to engage with God. But that takes time
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: and discipline. And most people today, because time is a commodity,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: they say out of their mouths that they don't have
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: time to engage with the one who knows their future.
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  Speaker 2: To me, that is wild.
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  Speaker 3: And so I have to teach people the simplicity in
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the complexity of prayer, of a life of prayer, because
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: if you don't, they will live their life in that
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: mode of excuse. Well, I just don't have the time. Well,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: then you don't have time to breathe because praying is
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: synonymous with breathing. The Bible tells us in what is
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: that first Thessalonians to 517 pray without second Thessalonians 517
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  Speaker 3: pray without ceasing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Without ceasing. How are you doing that?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: You're training your spirit to engage with God. It's his
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: responsibility to encounter you. It's your responsibility to engage. And
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: so it's really about discipline.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: It's really about.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Making a decision, learning how to choose life rather than
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: allow yourself to live this life and end up in
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: a spiritual death.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus. Yeah, hopefully that makes sense.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, General T, don't say that no more.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, because sometimes my students know I'm really big on understanding.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'm really big on understanding, so I want to make
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: sure people understand, but I got you.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: One thing I'm going to do is ask a question
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: because we on what? I love this. I love it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You've said so much. And so little time. And when
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm in this space, I'm thinking about my avatar. I'm
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: thinking about Keisha. That's my avatar's name. And when I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: think about Keisha and what she needs from General T,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I think Keisha needs to make sense of how her
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: faith collides with her market. And even... Keisha has the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: curiosity of, is it safe to be discipled? And what
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: does that look like? How do I know where to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: go for discipleship? That's the first part. And the second
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: part is, with things like Enlisted, I didn't know that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I had to invest in discipleship. What would you say
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to Keisha?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Well, that's loaded. And so the thing about it is,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: The safety, let's deal with the safety aspect. I know
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: that people have experienced what we know as church hurt.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: And I know that there is an argument of the
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: church can't hurt you because it's the Ecclesia. Well, those
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: are two different things. So we have some issues to
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: discuss there. The church is a system and the systems
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: are made up of leaders and people. And so people
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: do get hurt in that system. We have to address
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  Speaker 3: that part because this is where the apprehension comes from.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So Keisha's apprehension is that she's had an experience before
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  Speaker 3: and she doesn't know whether or not she can trust
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: this experience.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And is it worth it? And is it a waste
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: of her time?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Or is it going to be something that will actually
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: grow her and like grow her duality? The duality is
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that we are here on this earth. We are citizens
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: of heaven. We are citizens of this earth. We are
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: in it, but we are not of it. That is
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the duality that we do have to address. And once
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: we understand that and we're comfortable with that, then we
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: start looking for the principles of God being taught in
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: whatever community that your gaze is pointed towards. I think
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I might be able to go here to get X, Y,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: and Z. Do you see principles taught or are you
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: seeing somebody's personality being taught? Do you see principles shared
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: or is it that you see someone training you to
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: build their platform? What is it that you're seeing when
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: you're looking for those things? It's important for you to
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: have that autonomy and to know that you have that autonomy.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: You don't have to be like, well, because you're on
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: a platform and people say, trust this person, I'm just
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: going to automatically do it. No, let's think. Let's use
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: common sense. Let's critically think. Is this something that represents
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the kingdom? Is this something that reflects the.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Kingdom of God?
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  Speaker 3: One thing that I teach my students is that Yeshua
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  Speaker 3: never taught his religion.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: He always taught principles.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And we can back it up several times when you
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  Speaker 3: begin to read how he used Hellenistic ways of expressing
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: through parables and how he used poetry and all kinds
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: of things. He taught simple principles to the point where
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: you have the Muslims, you have those who are um, uh, what,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: what's another, um, uh, the, uh, Buddhist, well, Buddhist weekend. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about that, but, um, Buddhist, you have
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  Speaker 3: all these different religions.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me started.
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  Speaker 3: We have all these different religions that, um, that do
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  Speaker 3: not believe he is, um, God himself, but they use
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: his principles. So there is a skill that was presented
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  Speaker 3: to us without even saying. And so those are the
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  Speaker 3: things that I teach them to look for. He's teaching
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  Speaker 3: principle when someone and there's nothing wrong with rule and order.
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of structure, rule and order. That's important.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: But when rule and order is.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Making me it's causing me to separate.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Um, from God himself and causing me to be more
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: loyal to you than I am to the instruction of God,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: then we have a problem here. That's the one thing
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the safety aspect, when it comes
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: to investment, I want you to think about it. People
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: are investing in coaches. They have no problem investing 20, $ 30, 000
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  Speaker 3: and you're not getting 30 days. You're only getting a
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks. And in those weeks, you better get
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: what you can and keep it moving. They're not responsible
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: for making you do what you've learned in the setting
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: that you have signed up for. It's the same thing.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Where do you think they got their model from? God
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: gives us these instructions. He says, here's this book. Everything
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: that pertains to life and godliness is right here.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: It's in here.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: And so now it's your responsibility, which is why I
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: teach responsible relationship. It is your responsibility to mind those
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: things out. And here's the other beautiful part. He's put
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: gifts in the body. The fivefold gifts that are in
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the body.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: The teacher, number one, is important. We need teachers. We
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: need teaching priests.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: If we don't have teaching priests, then we're going to
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: have people who are fallible in their teaching. If we
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: don't have teaching priests, then we're not going to be
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: able to hear sound doctrine. You need to invest in
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: systems that reflect the kingdom, just like you would invest
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: in systems that will reflect your pockets. I firmly believe
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: when I started my business over 10 years ago, it's
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: called the mind box.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I would pray in the spirit just to get the
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: ideas from the clients. And you want to know what
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: they would say to me? How could you read my
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: mind like that? No, the Holy Spirit told me.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: And these are not all, you know, believing clients. The
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Lord would give me insight. So there is benefit to
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: having instruction on the spiritual side just as much as
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: it is on the natural side.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: The Bible says first natural, then spiritual.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: And there is a reason behind it, but I can
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: keep talking a long time about.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: All of this.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: But that's... the most important parts for Keisha is that
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: she looks for the principles of God, that she also
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: sees that they are building the individual and the individual's
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: life is pointing towards God. And then also when we
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: start to move into the investment aspect, if you think
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: that investing in a worldly system, is going to benefit
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: you more than investing in your discipleship, then I would
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: ask one question. And that is why I could answer
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: it probably from a different vantage points, meaning that we've
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: seen this before and those systems has failed. And this
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: one at the least can make me some money at
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the least can give me notoriety. And this over here
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: is kind of shoddy. And so we have some work
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: to do as the body of Christ so that we
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: can be integral, that we can be a system that
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: is credible as well, which is one.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Of the things that we're working hard towards for our school.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Our school is fairly new.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I've been doing ministry for years, but the school is
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: only about three years old now. And we are working
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: hard diligently to get all of our stuff together so
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: that we can be an accredited school so that we
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: can compete with all the Ivies and everybody else. That's
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: important for us to be this type of system in
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the earth. And now that is worth investing.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: There's a longevity to the system that you're building.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I just had like five questions in my head.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, you asking all the questions and they just, whew.
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  Speaker 2: Are they general?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Are they general? Approved.
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  Speaker 3: My problem is it was talking too long but yeah
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: they they're good questions.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: No this is good.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: This is good um i can already tell you have
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to be back on um because you you have more
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: wisdom not saying what i thought i think when you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: experience people when you experience people it's like Where I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: position myself with people can tell me where I want.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: And you're the type of person, you're one of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: people that I want to sit at your feet. And
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I want to sit at your feet and just listen
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to the wisdom and understanding. And some of the things
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that I know and I don't have language for, I
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: feel like you give that. And so I'm even thinking
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: about myself right now. I kind of feel, I won't
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: say I feel convicted, but I feel... I feel something.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I don't have a language for it right now, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm going to tell you. So on
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: August 13th, I was fired from my job, right? Now,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I knew that this was a 9-to-5, and I knew
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that a long time ago, the Lord prepared me in
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: my heart for the idea of entrepreneurship, not working for
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: another company, and whatever it looks like, right? So fast forward,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I'm in this season right now of what is this?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: What is this? And I feel like my realm has been,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: or my calling has been with podcasts and my tool
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: is podcasting, right? But not only from a sense of
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: being a podcaster, but being the podcaster's podcaster, right? What
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that looks like, even going back to Matthew 28, 19,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: go ye therefore and make disciples. And when I think
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: about it and listening to you and the responsibility, the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: responsibility to engage with the purpose of the podcaster, it
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: convicts me and my insecurities of the goal. Wow.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I feel.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've done a disservice to the time
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: of God, of me, because I'm used to being the student.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I'm used to serving the teacher. But then there's this
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: point where Paul had to go without Jesus. It's a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: point where the apostle has to go without Jesus, but understand,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: like you said in the beginning, understanding the responsibility of
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: this still has to point somewhere and it can't point
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to me. So I think the marketplace, understanding the marketplace
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: responsibility and my ministry responsibility, how do I navigate that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and honor that holistically, as you say? as you so
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: eloquently put it? I think, do you see where I'm
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: going with this? Because now you just got me in
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: my head about myself.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think what's important is that we have,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: let's look at society as a whole. And again, I
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: believe our nation has done some things that are great
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: and also have done some things that are terrible and
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: has shown us some things that weaken some opportunity areas,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: especially when it comes to morality, when it comes to morality.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And when we think about it, how morality has been
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: stripped from our society, the responsibility lands where? Where does
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: it land? it should land on the body. It should
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: have already been the body, the church itself. If you
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: don't find yourself in a space where you can build
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: solid character, how do you expect to.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Really honor God in the marketplace?
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Because the money is out there to be made and
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: compromise is right at the door. It's I've heard this
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: a million times and I'm exaggerating that number, but I
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: heard it enough times to say that there has to
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: be a truth to.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: This, that the more you grow.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Financially, we're talking about billions and trillions. We're talking about
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: having money that you can actually take care of a
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: whole country. there's wickedness in those spaces. That's not to
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: say that finances are wicked. The Bible says money answer it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: All man's matters.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: The Bible also says the love of money, not money,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: but the love of it. Why? Because that is idolatry.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: When we are, um, uh, focusing our attention or admiration
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: towards a thing like, um, as much as such as
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: money mammon.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And so it's important.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: That you have both spaces, uh, taken care of when
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: it comes to responsibility. I am responsible in building character, integrity,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: these core values. You need to establish core values within
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: yourself that reflect the kingdom. So when I do go
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: to the business table that my core values speak. I'm
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: not speaking in tongues. I'm not praying any long prayers.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I'm handling business. And the kingdom of God is backing
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: me because of my core is solid. I have a
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: foundation on this side, which allows me to purely represent
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the kingdom on this side and to advance and grow.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: And I know people say, well, you know, there's when
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: you get over here on this side again, like I've stated,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I've heard it from millionaires and billionaires that, you know,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: it just gets really sticky. And there's some compromise that
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: is made when you start to make certain amounts of money, truthfully.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: But then there are also believers who have also made
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: large amounts of money and have created businesses in that
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: fashion that have not compromised.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: It's a choice.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: But you can't make that choice without character. You cannot
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: make that choice without being a decided person. So that individual,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: there is not a collide. There is not a conflict
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: when you have firm foundation in character and morality based.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Upon the kingdom of God.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: When you have that, you can make the solid decisions
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and you can go out and do the work that
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: God has called you to do effectively and efficiently.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: The other part to that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Is when you are in this moment of, Internal conflict
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: of is this, you know, am I glorifying God in
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: this business? You know, we start to deal with those
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: insecurities and all of that stuff. It is a question
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: of value. Do you value what God has placed on
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the inside of you? The moment you can say yes,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. Doesn't matter, you know,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: even how you feel. The Bible says if God be
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: for you, no.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: One can be against you. And this is what God
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: told me. This is what God told.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Me some years ago. He said, if I am for me,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: if I am for you, not even you can be
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: against Jesus, not even you. You cannot even be against yourself.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: And so it's really a value issue which quiets the conflict,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: the internal conflict that says, you know, am I doing
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: this justice? Am I doing what God said? And if
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I'm doing what God said and this is the route
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: he has told me to take, then let me take
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: this route regardless of how unconventional it looks. And guess what?
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: That is rooted in character. That is rooted in your
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: relationship that you have been responsible with To build integrity
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: and intimacy with God in private so that as you
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: move in the instruction and direction of the Lord, that
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: all the other stuff doesn't matter.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: He listen, I'll share this with you.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I was doing some senior tech hiring work and a
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: senior technical recruiter and doing some hiring work. And I
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: got some roles that I just didn't have any information about.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't have any experience in this.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: This is a new role for me.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: We're talking about, you know, technical things that I just
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: don't have language for.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: God took me to the scriptures.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: And he said, just like I gave Daniel the language
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: of the Chaldeans, that's what you pray for.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: You ask me for the language of the Chaldeans.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Any market that I've put you into that you feel unqualified,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: your prayer is.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: God, give me the language of the Chaldeans.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: It's not that Daniel asked to be like Babylon or
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: be like the Chaldeans. He gave him the language so
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: that he can help build. This man served under what
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: is about five different rulers. In that space, and God
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: gave him the language of the Chaldeans. He gave him
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the insight, the understanding. And yes, they were princes and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: children of princes and things of that nature.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: So they had a different tutelage. However, they were coming
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: into Babylon. We as kingdom people are going into Babylon.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: We need to know how to speak the language of Babylon,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: but yet be people of character and integrity. That's how
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: we come into this system, this marketplace, hold our own,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: not be unintegral and represent the kingdom because we know
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: how to pray. We also know how to ask the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: right questions. We know how to stand where God has
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: placed us, whether we feel qualified or not.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Ask the right questions. God, give me the language of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the Chaldeans. You're in podcasting. Give me the language. What
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: is it? How do I succeed in all of this?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: That's the questions we ask because it's a ruler. There's somebody.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: These are systems that have rulers. Technology, media, sports.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: There are rulers.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: We're not here to serve those rulers. We're here to
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: take over. But you can't take over if you don't
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: know the language.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Again, it's like 15 topics in one question every time
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: you ask questions.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Do I need to niche it down? I'm sitting here like...
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like, Jesus. Because every time you answer,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: you produce five questions in my head. This is what
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I be just talking too much.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I'm talking too much. No, no. But for me, like
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you say, ask the right questions. And I feel like
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: when you ask a good question, another good question follows. Yes.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: But that's how you get to the answer. That's how
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you get to the answer.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was, I'm just going to tell you this
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: fun fact or whatever, because I'm learning. I feel like
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the Lord is really adjusting my sight in how I
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: digest the word. And I had a way of looking
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: at the word, but I feel like it was more emotional,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: emotionally driven and satisfying versus the strategic, digestion. So something
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: so small, uh, it was in Joshua. And this is when, when, uh,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Joshua goes to AI and he, he sends less troops and, um,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: He sends his troops and they were defeated. He goes, God,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: like God, how you going to play me like this?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody else going, this just, how you going to play
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: us like this? You know what I'm saying? I thought
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: we were supposed to have all this land or whatever.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Now everybody going to find out and they going to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: try to think we ain't it. And he was basically saying, Joshua,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: shut up and listen, okay? Somebody in your clan disobeyed me.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: They stole, they took from me. And I'm going to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: tell you how to figure it out. Ooh, this is
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: so good. It's so good to me. He said, when
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the Lord said, bring all the Israelites, then I'm going
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: to tell you, you're going to separate them by tribe,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: then go by clan, then go by. He went all
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the way to the man. And for me, for somebody
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: that's an overthinker, that basically said the Lord, at every step,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the Lord is going to highlight.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: What you need.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: The Lord is going to give you strategy for everything
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that you need to do. And it also spoke to
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: me as a multifaceted person. Like, okay, you might have this.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It might be in your congregation, in your demographic. But
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pinpoint what I need you to use.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pinpoint what you need to destroy. I'm
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: going to pinpoint this. Strategy. It's strategy. Sometimes we can
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: over-spiritualize things, General T. And it's just strategy. The Lord
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: just provided strategy. So you can find the problem or
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the solution.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: And the solution.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I think even our
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: conversation today is just reminding me of seeing God in...
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the manner of which he needs me to see him
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: yes yes i think that's so important and how we
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: miss because we we we we put him in a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: place where he can't be seen anywhere else outside of
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the holy of holies. He can still be holy and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: still be strategic. He can still be holy.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Listen, he's God of the earth. He's God of everything.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Like why couldn't we take him into the marketplace? Why
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: can't you take him wherever you're going?
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: This, he is the creation. He is the creator of all.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: If we think about it in Genesis, when it says
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: that we were made in his image and after his likeness,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: what do you think we are supposed to be doing?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: We're supposed to be creating. We are strategists.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: That's why I tell them, my students, like when you
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: come out of prayer, praying in all them heavy tongues,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: going to war, worshiping, all of the things, you should
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: come out with insight. You should come out with instruction.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: You should come out with strategy.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And if you're not, go back and ask questions because
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: he is a God that will give you what you need.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: There are types of intercession that I teach them about.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: And one of them is the intercession frequencies In one
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: of the classes I teach called intercession frequencies, there are
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: low and high frequencies of intercession. The low frequency is
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: that behind the scenes, you know, I'm doing the grunt work.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going before the Lord. I'm asking him. I'm going
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: to the courts. I'm saying, Lord.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: What is it that is prohibiting me from moving into
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: the things that you called me to move into? Then
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: once I get that insight, then I go into a
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: high frequency, which is we go into war.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: We go into strategy.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: We begin to pray and we declare and we decree
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: because there has to come a point where you stop
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: asking and you start telling.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: This is what's going to happen. This is what's happening.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: So it is.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: He is a God of strategy. He is a God
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: who gives us insight. We make him so small when
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: he is the God of the universe. And I don't
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: understand that. But then again, I do, because we're too
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: married to systems and religion that we are foregoing the
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: purity of relationship that he desired when he made us
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: back in Genesis. He desires relationship. He desires a people
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: who desires him the way he desires them. And in
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: that he's willing to give us inheritance. He's willing to
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: make us heirs and joint heirs.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Like this is, this is how beautiful he is.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much more to God than what
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: it is that we have put out in the public
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: to see. We just think that he is this beautiful,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: massive judge that's going to do things and we just
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: go to church.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. He's the lover of our soul. He
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: is the one that wants you well.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: He wishes above all that we would prosper, that we
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: would be in good health just as our soul prospers.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: He desires that. So why? Why would he put in
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: our heart to serve him and to serve as an
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: answer and solution in this world And he not take
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: care of us and he not give us the answer.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: He not give us the strategy. He made us answers
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: and solutions. So what, what, what, like, what are we thinking?
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: What are we thinking that God is doing? He's just
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: out here being arbitrary. No, he's doing it for a
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: specific reason. He's given you the answers and the solutions.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: And then he's made you into one so that men
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: would see. And then what they're going to glorify your father.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: That's a miracle. That's a sign. That's a wonder. We're
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: always looking at that as, you know, heal the sick,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: raise the dead. Yes, beautiful, amazing.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: But a miracle and a wonder is that God made
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: you a Fortune 500 business.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: That's a miracle and a wonder.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: And we did it all with the purity of heart
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: and hands, clean hands, pure heart.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And look at where we are. But yeah, it's a
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: lot to talk about when it comes to that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to come to Chicago.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Come on. Come in December for the graduation. Come spend
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: a week. You know what?
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: What week is it, Desiree? The first one?
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: The first weekend. Yeah, and it's open. It's open to
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: the public during that time.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: That's like our open house. Desiree has never invited me.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: This is only my second time. I ain't know. You know,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I'm learning. So, come on. Yes.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: That week is open. That's okay. It's all right. It's
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I know it's a lot of information in the class
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: and y'all be not reading, so it's okay. But in
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: any case, I got to get them when I can.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I got to get them when I can.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: But, you know, it's open to the public for that weekend.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: They can come hang out with us and, you know,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: experience what it's like for those three days.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll probably be going to Chicago with Desiree, so.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I got to meet you in person.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I got to meet you in person.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Please. I got to meet you.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I just, I really, I, I, I want to say
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: this and I know I'm gonna let Desiree come in
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and say her thoughts. Um, But there's something. I don't
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: know what that is. And you can get excited about people.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: You can see people doing good things or whatever. But
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I really feel like I got to see you in person.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I got to come see you because you got something.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I'm just going to
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: let God be God. But this has been really good.
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  Speaker 1: And I would like to give you an open invitation
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  Speaker 1: to just ask. I would like to give you an
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: open invitation to just ask because... We are in a
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  Speaker 1: season of build or build. This has been our mantra
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: for the year. Wow. Build or build. That's what the Lord,
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  Speaker 1: the Lord normally started dealing with me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the year for the next year,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I'm already being dealt with right now. I'm like, okay, Lord,
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  Speaker 1: how do I, how can I prove this? Is what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying. And everybody that he's brought has not just
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  Speaker 1: been a builder, but been his builder. It's two different things.
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  Speaker 2: My God. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Building it the Lord's way. It's frustrating because you haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it done the way he wants you to do
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  Speaker 1: because it's always something different. Like podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: People like, oh, podcast. Now you have to do this.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like, the Lord is giving me a new
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: structure or a different eyesight, a vision for what this
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: podcast thing is. Now, does the market what they're saying
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  Speaker 1: right now? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: It is true.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: And what I'm seeing is true too, but having the
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: boldness and the courage to build in a place where
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it's already been built or they have a supposed to
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: be language type of thing. It's been interesting. So I
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: got to meet you. Desiree warned me in the best
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  Speaker 1: way possible. I really enjoyed this conversation. Desiree, you did
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  Speaker 1: a good job.
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: This was awesome. I appreciate the opportunity. I don't take
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  Speaker 2: it for granted.
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  Speaker 3: Desiree will tell you, I am moved by what moves God.
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  Speaker 3: I am committed to whatever he wants me to be
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: committed to. I'm not like, you know, how most people, unfortunately,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: in our arenas, you know, they're looking for established names
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  Speaker 3: and platforms and things of that nature. I've been doing
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  Speaker 3: this for over 20 plus, nearly 30 years at this point.
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  Speaker 3: And God has just been amazing. We called ourselves Nameless
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  Speaker 3: Faceless for years. And we have it on shirts and
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. But it was an honor to
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: be that. It was an honor to be that, to
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: be the behind the scenes that pushed people and propelled
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: them by our life, not necessarily anything else other than
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: them having a front row seat of how we do things,
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: how God has instructed us to do things.
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  Speaker 2: And again, we point them back to him.
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  Speaker 3: It is not, we tell people all the time, the
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  Speaker 3: way I live my life, it is not Tantaleo's rules.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the book. It's in the book.
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  Speaker 3: We live a life that is above reproach because it's
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  Speaker 3: in the book. If I'm going to say yes to
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: this ministry and I'm going to say yes to being
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: his representative in the marketplace.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I've got to live above reproach. This is how we
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: make good of him. We allow him with our lives.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And so I think it's an honor to be asked
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: by anybody. I was like, cool, for real.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it because you know, you don't have to,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: you can find anybody else. And so I really do
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: appreciate it. And, and again, like I said, Desiree will
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: tell you, anybody will tell you I'm the same all
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: the way around 10 years from now, you know, the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Lord continue to grow our school and we are where
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: we want to be. Um, and well-established I'm gonna be
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: the same person. You call me up and say, Hey,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: we want to do some more interview.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: It ain't, you know, this is how God engineered me.
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  Speaker 3: And this is how I engineer my students as well.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I'm a witness. And so I make his disciples and
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: that's it. So this has been an honor. It's been
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: an honor.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Desiree, let's hear from you. Um, yeah, so, um, let
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  Speaker 1: me type my seatbelt up just a little bit. I
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: just genuinely loved and enjoyed, um, this conversation because, um,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I think we're still in such a space where people
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: are just trying to figure out what this thing is.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: You may be feeling like the Lord is calling you
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: to do something or to start something. And because it
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like church, sometimes we just don't know how
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to steward it. And what I've learned is that when
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you get in a place with God, when you really
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: start to develop your relationship with him and intimacy, He'll
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: begin to work out some things in you that could
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: be prohibiting you from really seeing what he's trying to do.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to get you to do. And also in that place,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: he'll begin to give you the strategy and the structure
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: for what it is that he's calling you to do
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: because most of the times we're trying to figure it
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  Speaker 1: out by what everybody else is doing. And when he's
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: giving you something so unique and so different, only he
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: can give you the blueprint for that. You know what
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? And that's just what I'm learning. Even in
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the space that that me and Jess are navigating together. Like,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know what podcast production was, if I'm honest.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I just had a camera and a little microphone. I said, hey, girl,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: let me ask you some questions. And, you know, we've
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: just been able to navigate this thing. But even now. individually,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: like the Lord is calling me to some spaces creatively
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that I'm just like, I don't know about that. But
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: as I'm just navigating and journeying and being obedient, I'm
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: learning to trust him in what it is that he
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: wants to see in the earth. And so, again, General,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: thank you for being obedient with your life.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you all.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I can say that what she's talking about right now,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: like this is literally like her life. This is literally
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: how she lives life. And I think it's important to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: see because I think we've seen so many, so many
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: people who, who teach and speak a thing, but live
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: contrary to what the word says. And so when we
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: really step into kingdom building, it's important that we live
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: the life that the Lord has fashioned. Yes. I'm just
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: grateful again. General T, we want to give you the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to share, share about Enlisted because I know we're
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: coming up on a season where we're getting ready to
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: start again. So allow the people to kind of hear
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: the heart about what the Lord has you building and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: how people can get connected to you.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that opportunity. Listen, the Enlisted,
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  Speaker 3: it is God's desire. That's what I'll call it. It's
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: God's desire. In a nutshell, it is a holistic, supernatural
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: school of the spirit And it's TAP, we call ourselves
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: TAP University. And this particular journey is the enlisted.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: It is nearly a year long program.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: We have four onsites a quarter, four onsites a year.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: So one a quarter, all of my students from all over,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: they come to Chicago and we train and We impart.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: It's one of our favorites. We have impartation. We teach.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: We allow them to also do some speaking. They earn badges.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: And it's just an amazing experience. I could not have
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: thought of this myself. God gave this to me in
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: a time and season where I was transitioning. And he said,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: this is what I want you to build. Backstory to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: this is that I hosted Neology, if you've ever heard
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: of that, Neology for years, going all the way back
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: to 2000.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: And nine.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: I hosted Neology for years and that was coming to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: a pause, not a conclusion, but a pause. And so
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: he began to show me what.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Neology really is and what it was about and what
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: he wanted to do in it. And so then we
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: birthed the school.
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  Speaker 3: And so this school, we're getting ready to graduate our
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: third first year class, December, the first week of December.
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  Speaker 2: That is an.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Opportunity for everyone to come and to experience what it
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: looks like to be an enlisted Eagle. We'll be in
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  Speaker 3: Chicago by the Midway Airport area. And so we'll have
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: more information. You can visit us at tapministries.com to get
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: more information about that. But the school itself, it has
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: been a blessing to many. Again, like I said, this
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: is our third year. We're going into our fourth year
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: and we plan to continue to do it perpetually. This
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  Speaker 3: is something that God gave us as a tool of transformation.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: If you don't remember anything about TAP Ministries or TAP
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  Speaker 3: University or the enlisted, please know that we are a
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  Speaker 3: ministry of transformation. It is what this school does. It
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: transforms so that the believer can be impactful, so that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: the believer can be influential, so that the believer can
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: be one who is relevant in their spheres. And so
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: we say something in our school that we are intercessors
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: of impact, influence, innovation, and relevance. And I teach as
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  Speaker 3: a foundation, the subjects of prayer and intercession, because as believers,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: that is one of the kingdom's technologies that keeps us
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: connected with our father so that we can have the insight,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: the instruction, and the strategy that's needed for us to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: advance here in the world in which we live in.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: And so we're super excited about that. We do have
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: an opportunity for those who want to learn more about
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  Speaker 3: the program, October 19th, 2026 at 6.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: Central Standard Time.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be hosting our info session so you can learn
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  Speaker 3: more about the program, what the program entails.
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  Speaker 2: We have some new offerings in the program.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: So if you think you know about it, still join.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: And then you'll learn about the new things. We also
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: this last year, we started our for men only track.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: So we have some men in the program and we're
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: so excited about that because we want the priest of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord to return to their place, which was their
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: first office was intercessions. That's a whole lesson we talk about,
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  Speaker 3: so I ain't going to give it to you here.
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  Speaker 3: But in any case, intercession is a powerful office that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: we could live in, live out. And that office allows
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  Speaker 3: us to understand and appreciate our sonship. And as we continue,
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  Speaker 3: we see how we are modeled after the order of Melchizedek,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: where we are both kings and priests. And so We
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: take you through a whole journey of lessons, literally 42
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: plus weeks. There are so many lessons. There's lessons every week,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: every other week for our year two students, every other
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: week for our year three and next year, every other
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: week for our.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Year four students.
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  Speaker 3: And so we're very excited about God and trusting us
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: with this. Again, this is a school. It's a supernatural school,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: a holistic supernatural school that deals with the whole person.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: We believe in being healed, whole, healthy, and wealthy. And
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: we want to see the believer thrive. It is for
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: leaders as well. So don't think just because you are
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: a five-fold gift that you don't need this. You do
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: need it. You do need it. It's going to help
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: grow yourself personally, as well as those that you lead.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: We have a number of students who are leaders in
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: their church and leaders We have a number of students
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: that have been sent by their pastors.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: So we are not taking any members.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: We are an extension of the Ecclesia and we cannot
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: wait to have them and then give them right back
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: to you. So that is just a little bit about
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  Speaker 3: us and what we're going to be doing. Again, the
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  Speaker 3: new year school year doesn't start until January 19th, 2027.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: And so we're looking forward to our new students coming
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: in for the class of 2027. Thank you all for
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: letting me share that.
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  Speaker 1: No, listen, we support it because there's evidence in the room.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Desiree is definitely evidence that Enlisted is a powerful, transformative opportunity.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: So I just want to say thank you so much,
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  Speaker 1: not just for coming to just ask, but being yourself
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and obeying God. You are truly a gift. And it's
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: just been really good to talk to you. Y'all, we
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: ought to know. I know the T was 10, honey.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I know y'all was like, whoo, child. Who is this lady?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: You know, you can go in the description and find
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: out who she is. But also, if you're interested in enlisted,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: you should definitely go and join the program. A lot
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: of stuff is virtual. They do meet in person four
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: times out of the year. How do I know that?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Because Desiree, Desiree, Desiree, Desiree, Desiree, Desiree, Desiree. I'm like, dog.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: And I always say, for what? For what? Why y'all
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: got to meet? Why y'all got to do this, baby?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm grateful. But y'all, this has been good to me.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: But what has been your biggest takeaway? Do you feel like, Keisha,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: are you needing community? Are you feeling like you need
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: to be discipled? Are you confused about, you know, yourself
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: in ministry and marketplace and how that blends? Do you
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: understand the importance of being discipled and then going, therefore,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: and making discipleship? Let's talk about it in the chat,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: but until next week, until next time, remember, life could
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: be much more simple if you just ask. Thank you
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: for tuning in to this week's episode. Since you've made
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: it this far, you might as well connect with us
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: on all social media platforms at the Jessica S.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Smith.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I know I won't see you back until next week,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: but until then, remember... To love always yourself and always
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: thank God for another day. Thank God for another day.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Another day older. Another day wiser.
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  Speaker 1: Another day to get it right. Another day to rise up.
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  Speaker 1: Another day living.
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  Speaker 2: Another day with loved ones.
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  Speaker 1: I always remember holding down for a ball one