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Episode 274: Doppelganger (SG-A 4.04) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and seventy four talking
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  Speaker 1: Stargate Atlantis. Mitch he is speaking, and over there is Matthew. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I shall oh right, sorry, I actually forgot about that
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  Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, that's right. Maddie was at threat at
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  Speaker 1: the end of last week's episode. If you're listening one
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  Speaker 1: to the other, you're like, yeah, there's eighteen seconds ago.
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  Speaker 1: Shut up, but you know you are back. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: very much, Doppelganger. And as I said last week, all
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  Speaker 1: I knew about it was that it was written and
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  Speaker 1: directed by Robert C. Cooper, something I did have to
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  Speaker 1: rewind a double check because I must have turned away
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  Speaker 1: for a second and it was as I come back,
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  Speaker 1: the written by was just fading, and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: wonder who that was? Director by Robert C. Cooper, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's got to be a saving grace here.
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  Speaker 1: Hang on a second, rewind it's like written by and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, dear, he's not going.
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  Speaker 2: To direct somebody else's work, is he. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he's I think he's only ever directed actually yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's too pretentious to.
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  Speaker 1: He's pretentious enough to talk about himself as a director,
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  Speaker 1: improving on the writing that he wrote. Yeah, he's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we couldn't do what was written. It would have been
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  Speaker 1: too expensive. It was like and as you point out, Maddy,
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  Speaker 1: you wrote it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, this episode nearly killed me because, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have to watch the episode and then I watch
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  Speaker 2: it with the audio commentary to you know, find it
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  Speaker 2: any electra tibits.
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  Speaker 1: Then you have to do it again just to grab
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  Speaker 1: all the bits and pieces that you need. Your services
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  Speaker 1: do not go unrecognized or unappreciated.
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  Speaker 3: I just I hope that you know that this one
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  Speaker 3: nearly killed me.
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  Speaker 1: And look, it's it's a real easy generalization and it's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily correct. But I'm watching this and the amount
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  Speaker 1: of times in my head different members of the team
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  Speaker 1: that have been on the podcast, even the likes of
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  Speaker 1: Jacob or people that ride in and Craig even got
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  Speaker 1: to run through on my head and just people going
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  Speaker 1: dream bugs like it's not it's not quite that. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a bug. It was a crystal thing. And but okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's get into Snops'll come back with it.
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  Speaker 1: A malevolent alien entity. Shepherd began hosting after exposure to
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  Speaker 1: a crystalline growth on a jungle planet is wrecking havoc
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  Speaker 1: on Atlantis and if you need itreaking breaking havoc on Atlantis.
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  Speaker 1: I was just trying to It's like, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: get out of this episode as quick as possible. I
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  Speaker 1: got even out of reading the synopsis as fast as possible.
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  Speaker 1: And if you need to be reminded again, written directed
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  Speaker 1: by Robert Cooper, Cruel this week.
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  Speaker 4: A great guy love match. Okay, what do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, Daniel, I'm more sorry to Maddie. Look, I actually
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  Speaker 1: didn't mind this episode, to be fair, like, I think
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  Speaker 1: I like the I'm always fascinated by dream stuff anyway,
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  Speaker 1: And I think maybe because they went out of their
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  Speaker 1: way at the start to say, isn't this like something
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  Speaker 1: that you guys did with SG Once she said, oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was also a blue crystal looking thing that affected
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  Speaker 1: the chief member of the team and that therefore affected
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  Speaker 1: the rest of us for varium reasons and stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that also happened. I'm like, oh, you actually, just by
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  Speaker 1: this day, you're just pointing out the fact that this
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  Speaker 1: is very similar to something's.
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  Speaker 2: Gone about ten minutes of the auto commentary defending his
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  Speaker 2: decisions being I.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't rip off Cold Lazarus. I was curious about that
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  Speaker 3: show and I wanted to. You know, you wrote that
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  Speaker 3: you ripped off Cold Lazari.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh Jesus, I don't know if that's part of
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  Speaker 1: your your audio.
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  Speaker 2: But no, there was something he did. He did put
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  Speaker 2: in there which just gave me doose chills.
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  Speaker 4: I'm want somebody in a warm, cozy room taping into
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  Speaker 4: their computer sentence here for their own amusement.
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  Speaker 2: Cooper thought he was so fucking funny.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I was about that other bit, but no, it
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  Speaker 1: was while I was watching this my kids. I was
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  Speaker 1: sort of went into the kitchen. The kids are watching
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  Speaker 1: Futurama and it must be one of the more recent
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  Speaker 1: episodes because they're talking about a TV show. What's the Leila.
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  Speaker 3: Layla, Leila, Leelaalila.
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  Speaker 1: Talking sure, talking about some TV show that she liked
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  Speaker 1: and it must have gone away or something, and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: but it would come back. And she's like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: all the good shows get canceled, some of the best
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  Speaker 1: ones two or three times. And I was like, that's great,
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  Speaker 1: that's in great steff for self referential thing. And here
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  Speaker 1: I can laugh at that. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I've obviously been watching Creature Commandos and I know some
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  Speaker 1: of the you know, James gunn haters, but like the
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  Speaker 1: way that have you watched any Creature binge binge?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, chup that out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the new season of Harley Quinn's out too, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, season five yeah yeah. And the opener it's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: pop up with the characters, you know, you know, firing guns,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kicking whatever it might they might be doing,
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  Speaker 1: and he'll pop up with you know, the name of
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  Speaker 1: the actor as the character. And also, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: music's very sort of you know, high high speed. It's
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  Speaker 1: very fun and all that, and so it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the characters and then at the end you just
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  Speaker 1: see this like keyboard typing with some fingers and it
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  Speaker 1: zooms out and it pans around this I think it's
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  Speaker 1: even it might be laptop. I was gonna say, it's
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  Speaker 1: like a tube computer and it pans around and it's
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  Speaker 1: an animated James Gun and he sort of like sits
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  Speaker 1: back on his chair and puts his like sits back,
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  Speaker 1: puts his feet up, and it says written for the
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  Speaker 1: screen by James Gun. So it's his one way, like
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  Speaker 1: he's putting himself, animating himself to put it in there.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of fun because of the style
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  Speaker 1: of the show and all that, But the the gun
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  Speaker 1: haters look at him be so obsessed with himself, and
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  Speaker 1: yet here Robert C. Couber just writes that that's what
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  Speaker 1: is you know. So it's like, you know, we're in
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're in the matrix and they're doing this
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  Speaker 1: for their own pleasure, and I'm like, ah, you narcissistic.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fine line. It's a fine line. I think
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  Speaker 1: the Yeah, that's what he's proved himself past them. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking if he's listening. Obviously, obviously I'm not was
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  Speaker 1: Brendan ever ever, ever, ever, for the last ten years, ever.
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  Speaker 3: Just because of things like this.
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  Speaker 5: This shot is the shot that I would say, I
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  Speaker 5: have never seen you sweat more.
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 4: You know, people have talked about it as.
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  Speaker 5: Being, you know, one of the better shots they've seen,
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  Speaker 5: and just in terms of effectively achieving what we were
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  Speaker 5: trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: And who's he talking to the visual effects supervisor or
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I think at the very start, I for
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  Speaker 1: some reason thought I was hearing from Joe Flanagan, so
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  Speaker 1: he sweat so much, and then a real no, this
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  Speaker 1: is this is Coop because I'm like that Cooper would
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  Speaker 1: be a sweater. But he's sorry, let me just listen
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  Speaker 1: to that, knowing who I'm listening to, and.
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  Speaker 2: If you listen, he says, he says, he goes to
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  Speaker 2: say I and he says and then backtracks.
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  Speaker 3: Well, other people have said that it's.
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  Speaker 1: The bost A lot of people are saying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, is the shot that I would say, I have
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  Speaker 5: never seen you swept more I have. You know, people
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  Speaker 5: have talked about it, you know, one of the better
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  Speaker 5: shots they've seen, and just in terms of effectively achieving
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  Speaker 5: what we were trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: And now for reference, that shot is just the shot,
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  Speaker 2: and it is a good shot. But it's the one
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  Speaker 2: where Ronan is running in his dream and he approaches
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  Speaker 2: the door and then the door opens and it's outside,
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  Speaker 2: and then the pans back around and he's outside and
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  Speaker 2: he's running from the Wraith. I feel like we've seen
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  Speaker 2: that done, not only several times in this show, seen
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  Speaker 2: it done in other shows.
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  Speaker 1: Its staple of yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have been
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  Speaker 1: how many Twilight Zone episodes prior to this, decades earlier
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  Speaker 1: that would have done that exact same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was just Cooper just you know, just executed.
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  Speaker 1: So people are saying, who are you talking who? No,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, who's talking to you? Yeah, and meaning
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  Speaker 1: to without being paid for. I'm joking obviously, of course
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking, madd He's not Brendan never was. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: I know, I didn't. I didn't mind it. I was,
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  Speaker 1: I think because you know, blue crystal sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: But that was and the fact, like doppelganger. What this
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  Speaker 1: is a double ganger of col.
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  Speaker 3: You and I wearing the same T shirt. We're almost
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  Speaker 3: a double gangers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we often do when we come into record.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we used to we have those matching geek shirts,
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  Speaker 1: and then now we're the standard uniform of getting the gate.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously we look so good.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to go to the shops on the
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  Speaker 1: way home and wear my own face, my T shirt
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  Speaker 1: and go on by a loaf of bread. But in
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  Speaker 1: col Azars, obviously that was a doppelganger of O'Neill. And
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  Speaker 1: then this, I think I was like, Okay, what's called doppelganger?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm waiting for something like that to come about.
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  Speaker 1: And then it was very clearly like when he touched
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  Speaker 1: Taylor and you see the effect on his hand and
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  Speaker 1: he is okay, he's transmitted something to her, and then
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  Speaker 1: she's affected and then she They didn't never went to
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  Speaker 1: that effect. Again, I feel like we didn't even hear it.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't even maybe I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think you even see the transfer it all.
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  Speaker 1: We never never saw who did she touch after that
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  Speaker 1: she touched the doctor.
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  Speaker 3: The doctor, and the doctor would have touched Rona.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we never I guess we're just we're definitely assuming
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  Speaker 1: that she gave it to Rona because she's very hands on.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, we never saw or maybe we heard it once,
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  Speaker 1: but we certainly didn't see it. But even if we
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  Speaker 1: didn't see or or hear it, I just assumed, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what's going to be going from one person to another,
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  Speaker 1: not that Shepherd is going to still be patient zero
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  Speaker 1: or anything, and it's still very much him. It's not
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't expect for them to go
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  Speaker 1: back to the planet and Shepherds still there, but they
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  Speaker 1: happened to walk, or that he's been his consciousness is
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  Speaker 1: in the thing, and this thing is taken like it
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  Speaker 1: was still him. It was just sort of like this dormant.
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  Speaker 2: Infection or just it chose to look like him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this whatever this entity was, but I thought it was weird.
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  Speaker 2: It never actually gave him a bad dream first, like,
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  Speaker 2: so it imprinted on him, and then they get back
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  Speaker 2: to the planet, like get back to the base, and
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  Speaker 2: then he transferred whether it's unintentional, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: it's like he's transferred it to Taylor, but then it's
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  Speaker 2: kept the imprint of Shepherd for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very strange, and I like his You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you'd have dreams the same way like I have
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  Speaker 1: dreams where they are so vivid that something can I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's a joke. Oh, I think most husbands will tell
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  Speaker 1: that their wives will wake up from a dream and go,
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  Speaker 1: you were cheating on me and I hate you at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, how dare you do? That's what do
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  Speaker 1: you mean? Well, you cheated on me and my dream
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to take that out on you in.
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  Speaker 3: The real world.
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking about? So you have those things? Oh
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  Speaker 1: you have? You know, I've woken up in tears before
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  Speaker 1: because I've woken up, you know, my grandfather died my
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  Speaker 1: dream or something, and it's like it feels so real
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  Speaker 1: and you have to remember that it's not. And then
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  Speaker 1: anything that you're you have a dream about someone that
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  Speaker 1: did something bad to you, and the next time you
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  Speaker 1: see them, you just can't help but be judging them
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, like no, no, no, that wasn't that wasn't real.
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  Speaker 1: So I like that they did bring that in because
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of dream sort of stuff, but
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  Speaker 1: never like the I was afraid of him. I was
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  Speaker 1: afraid of Shepherd, you know, I just I don't And
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  Speaker 1: then clearly the doctor was like that. And then that
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  Speaker 1: they all started talking to each other like, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of an asshole at the moment, we don't
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  Speaker 1: even know why we think that it was. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but what what is this? Because it wasn't like they
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  Speaker 1: were thinking he was evil in their dreams, but then
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  Speaker 1: he was also being sinister across at the base he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't he was still very much being him, and so
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on. So I
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  Speaker 1: did actually considering it's a Robert C. Coop have written
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  Speaker 1: a directed episode and I can go in with all
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  Speaker 1: the prejudgment that I want. I did. Yeah, I actually
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  Speaker 1: didn't mind it.
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  Speaker 3: I just feel like we like, I get the premise.
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  Speaker 2: The premise is Okay, we want to get in and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to It's a character based episode. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to learn more about these characters and we've got to
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  Speaker 2: find out what their deepest, darkest fears are. Is Ronan's
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  Speaker 2: really being bar a lie? After all the things Ronan seene, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean really something as basic as being buried alive.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's started right by running into the gate room
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  Speaker 1: and it's all empty, right, and he ran around until
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  Speaker 1: he found that the portal or he opened the door
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  Speaker 1: and it went to went to the to the forest.
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  Speaker 1: But he was really running every Is that that's what
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to become a runner again. He would never
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  Speaker 1: want to go back to that.
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  Speaker 2: Life, something that he would never verbalize to anyone around him,
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he actually loves being there. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: his greatest fear is going back to what he was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Even I think like maybe Shepherd telling the Wraith,
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  Speaker 1: like he had Wraith with him and he was almost
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  Speaker 1: helping Wraith catch Ronan who was on the run. It
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  Speaker 1: was like maybe one of his fears is not only
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  Speaker 1: that he become a runner, but that his friends that
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  Speaker 1: adopted him would one day betray him or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and that they're very like the only people, the only
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  Speaker 1: family that he has left, would also be lost to him,
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  Speaker 1: like his you know, I mean last week, especially after
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  Speaker 1: last week, I guess like, yeah, a couple of other
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  Speaker 1: setting people and no, they they went bad, so mate, mate,
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  Speaker 1: that might have even worked out better. I'm not trying to.
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  Speaker 3: It's just that it ended with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, him being buried in a buried a light was
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  Speaker 2: just kind of all the all.
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  Speaker 3: The little things that we could have.
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  Speaker 2: I think Keller's was pretty spot on, like with the
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  Speaker 2: you know, the chest birther, because she references it in
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  Speaker 2: it in like you know, when they're sitting around talking
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  Speaker 2: about movies and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: And everyone's like, I've got to see this movie. You
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  Speaker 3: know that one kind of checked and it was.
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  Speaker 1: Funny like afterwards and she's like, and you were there,
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  Speaker 1: and you were there and you had this thing pop
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  Speaker 1: up out of your chest. Yeah, that seemed to linger
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  Speaker 1: that scene actually, like this is just sitting around just
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  Speaker 1: talking about movies. I'm like, oh, ship like this is
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  Speaker 1: these are the compxations that I love listening to. It's
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: just people talking about movies and like, when's this going
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  Speaker 1: to stop? And it just kept going. And then John
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  Speaker 1: Hurt did this, and when I saw a movie Dick
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  Speaker 1: and this happened and all this other and I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is great. But then it was obviously
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  Speaker 1: paying off on dreams we'd already seen and setting other
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  Speaker 1: ones up, especially once you get to the end with
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  Speaker 1: with Mackay and he's out there in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the ocean. So I like the idea.
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  Speaker 3: It was a little lame and basically.
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  Speaker 1: K yeah, at least like yeah like it. I think
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  Speaker 1: for mine it was just I like the idea of
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  Speaker 1: looking at him in hindsight, thinking he gets nightmares almost nightly,
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  Speaker 1: almost every night about Moby Dick, Like he's a character
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  Speaker 1: every single night. Like as far back as what season
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  Speaker 1: when do we first get introduced to him? In SG
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  Speaker 1: one six six? I was gonna say six, Actually is
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  Speaker 1: that too late? Yeah, season, let's say season five of
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  Speaker 1: SG one, that guy was having nightmares about Moby Dick
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  Speaker 1: and it's like this that as a carry through I
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  Speaker 1: think I liked even though it's like it's written, he tells,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I get that's my that's my worst fear
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  Speaker 1: is a giant, you know, and movies are bad when
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  Speaker 1: you show them to people too early. You know that giant. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what was my father thinking? Then it shows his dream
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  Speaker 1: and he's being haunted by a whale, and it's like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that seems like a payoff, but it's a payoff of
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  Speaker 1: something you literally just told us, so it's not really
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  Speaker 1: a payoff.
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  Speaker 2: But I also have a literally with it's like, well
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  Speaker 2: after I think what would have been a better character
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  Speaker 2: moment is after Grace under pressure he bonds with Sam,
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  Speaker 2: the flagersallis it was essentially a big whale. So I
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: kind of feel like I would have preferred him be
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: over that, like in something else, because I feel like
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: because he, you know, by the time we got to
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: whatever it was, phantoms or whatever it was, he was
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: out looking for Sam, yeah, you know, and that kind
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: of thing, And in my brain like that's a flagisallice that.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Comes up and then scoops him up.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: But the other thing that felt really out of character
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: for me with McKay is the whole opening scene where
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: he's like super eager to trudge through the forest because
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: he has a bet with Zelenka that there's something on
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: this planet.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: Because the I was just like, really does he?
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like, is that is a and we
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: don't even know what the stakes of the bet are
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: that It's like, what would they have to be for
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: McKay to actually want to trudge through a forest in
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: a jungle?
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: After even Ronan and Shepherd are like, no, yeah, so boring.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: This is so dumb, Like I just yeah, I didn't
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't quite get it. But apparently we're not allowed
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: to ever question McKay's motives in a Cooper written episode.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: He's I mean, listen, McKay's been around forever.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: I wrote a script that introduced his character in the
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: season five that's wants, so you know he's he's, He's.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: I find McKay incredibly easy to write for him. I mean,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: he just sort of it's always obvious to me what
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: he will say and do.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I probably should have prefaced that with a little bit
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: of a yeah, I just didn't find it really easy
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to write for annoying people. What would the annoying person
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: say at this moment?
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: And then I have an issue like us, I sort
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: of started on it before, but it's like, I understand
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: that this is an episode trying to explore our main
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: character's greatest fear so that we get to know them,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: we get interested in them. But I just feel like
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: the setup for it, with the crystall entities and stuff
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: like that, I don't think was one hundred percent thought
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: out because we don't actually get any resolution to why
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: they do what they do. Keller supposes at one point
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: or maybe they're feeding off fear, Well, how do they
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: feed off fear when they're just in a tree, you
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And then say one person goes
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: along and touches it and goes into that person and
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: it kills that person out of fear. Well, then it's
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: going to starve to death inside that body. It needs
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: contact to touch someone else to then move on. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I just don't think it needed something else. I think
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: we could have explored the idea that this entity has
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: never been inside a human being before, so it's experiencing
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: all these emotions and it turns out fear is the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: one that like engaged intoxicating gets it off, like it's
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: a it gets turned on by it or what like
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: it just it gets addicted to this fear, and that's
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: why it keeps making things like scarier and scarier and scarier,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: to the point where it ends up killing Heitemeier, you
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it that I think would
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: have been a better aspect to explore. I just feel
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: like it was. It was just kind of left by
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the way. So it's just like we're doing a thing,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Crystal so that we can get to the dreams. It's
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: basically what what the setup was, and especially the.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Way that it paid off, Like they put it back,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: or they put the two back, and they glow up
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and then all the others start glowing around them, and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: like it already looked like a pretty nice looking scenery.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: We only ever saw it at nighttime. Maybe there was
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: no sun, you know, maybe maybe maybe the planet didn't rotate,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: who knows. Okay, it's got vegetation there, probably you know
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But as they started to light up,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and even the music wasn't like haunting, it was kind
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: of like this is beautiful, Like it was a beautiful
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: looking aurora and yet and then like, ah, we should
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: probably get out of here. And I'm like yeah, because
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: from what we've been told over the last forty three minutes,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: this is dangerous. Right now, all of you could go
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: back having touched this because we saw how like Keller
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: was so tempted. I don't even know why. I just
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I was. I was taken by it. I don't know
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: why I wanted to do that. It was one thing
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: for you know, McKay to be angry at Shepherd because
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it had happened. He's like, well, would you do think
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: is I don't know. It's like yeah, because you're an idiot.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Whereas Keller was like, I actually I don't even know
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: why it was. I just found I couldn't help myself,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Like she explained it a little bit better. So that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: was what one did to them, the idea they're in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: this middle of this rainforest full of them, it looks beautiful.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: But then also was them like, oh, remember this could
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: be dangerous, and it's like, well yeah, but like you said,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it was a defense mechanism. It wasn't intentionally trying to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: kill people because then it's going to die. But it
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: was just very it was very vague. It was like
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it was a means to get to dreams and having
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: fun in dreams and if if if John two was
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the personification of the of the entity, it was straight
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: up evil. It was like mocking them at all at
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: all times. But it wasn't just trying to survive. Was
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it just enjoying it?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: But then I don't know, but we find the crystals
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: on the tree, but then when we return them, we
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: just dump them on the ground. So why did we
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: trek all because it's obviously, like, you know, we the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: setup in the first scene is we were traveling for
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: a while before we found that crystal. So why did
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: we trek all the way through the jungle if we're
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: just going to drop them on the ground.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Why didn't we just go through the stargate and just.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Hurl them, yeah, you know at that point into the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: scrub and turn around and go back. Why it's just nothing,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: nothing tracked film in this. It all just kind of
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: felt just a little bit like, like I said, it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: all just like so that we can see these dreams.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the dreams weren't that exciting.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like that part of the entity remained even
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: in Shepherd until it was placed back where it was
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: taken from. And that was a defensive measure and I'm
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: not out to kill you just because I just want
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to go home and this is the only way that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I can get that message across or something.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Kind of like back in what episode two whatever it
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: was when there was that the smoke monster that was
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: traveling around Atlantis. You know, it was like the energy
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: vampire that just taking energy and stuff like that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: It wasn't it wasn't malevolent. It was just trying.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: It was just trying to eat, you know what I mean,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Whereas this was, yeah, like this creature was very much yeah,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you know, malevolent. I think if it says in the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in the synopsis, doesn't it le.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And I managed to get malevolent out, but not reeking
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the doctor Meyer, Yeah, I was really enjoying seeing her
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: play more of a part and in a way that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well that makes sense, like you're a psychologist
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: or a psychiatrist whatever. And then they bring her into
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you know, the brain's trust because she's approaching it not
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: from a scientific level like McKay might be, like Zelenka
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: might be, but she's talking about it from a mental
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: point of view and what people do in a dream?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: What are dreams? And how could an alien fears? You
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: can tell me what the science of it is, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I'll say how that might affect our own brain makeup
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and what we do with our own dreams and the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: stories and the emotions that play out in them. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's I actually love that they're giving
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: her that time to shine where she can, because really,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: no other moments is she going to have a big
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: part to play in an episode. You know, she did
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: what a season or two ago where she was hearing
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: from was it Taylor that was really struggling through one
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: of those episodes or something?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yea it was and off season one helping her out
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: with the connecting with the rape.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Of course, that's right. And then all of a sudden,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they just you know, we see her dream and then
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: she is dead in her bed, like she's dead. I'm
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: like what wait, what what? Hang on?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: What?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Le like No, I'm just I'm like, we just like
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: weird died, well didn't but kind of did left us
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: two weeks ago. And then you know, we had Beckett
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: at the end of last saw that episode and then okay,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: she's died. Fine. You know now the way that McKay
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: was seemingly dying or dead is not the way that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you as a production, as a filmmaker, as a TV
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: or whatever, farewell, a mainstay character, you get more of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a sendoff. Clearly Beckett did. He even got like he
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: didn't at the time of his death, but came back
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: in a little bit of a ghost form dream sequence
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: type thing to get that payoff to the audience. So
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: McKay wasn't going to have died properly then, but still
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: just in the moment of He's dead and Hypemei is dead,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and then we lost two other people last like six
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: weeks worth of episodes, and I'm like, I cannot imagine
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that fans would just be sitting there wondering what the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: is going We're killing everybody here, what do we doing?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, you cannot question Cooper.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: So we didn't talk about the the death of Hepemeyer.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: There was another big issue. People seem to think I
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: have a deep seated psychological problem that, uh yeah, that
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: I have a problem with doctors.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I actually have a lot of doctors.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: In my family and my father's gay.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: I you know, somebody said it very well.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: On the you know, I noticed a post in which
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: it was people said, you know, so they said, look,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: you know, she's if I had killed a red Shirt,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: it really would it wouldn't have had any impact, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: it would have seemed kind of trivial and and and
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: you know, obviously I was not about to kill a
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: main character in that type of situation. So like we
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: were all beck you know, you kind of look around
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: the room and say, all right, who's expendable and and.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Heypemeyer kind of put up her hand.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Uh in sorry, who like in what way he did
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: put up her hand?
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Character in his head, you can kill me.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I believe the actress playing me doesn't want to get
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: paid in it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's very selfish of you. Robert could absolutely
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: kill a red Shirt in this episode.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I mean matter like, and she's like red shirt Adjason's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: but not I get what he means by that. But
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you could absolutely.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Given that we're just getting over losing Weir.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at that point we'd only just been getting
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: over losing Beckett. It's like we know main characters go. Yeah, like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: so a red Shirt would have been fine. You didn't
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: need to kill Heyitemeyer because it's like she's only been
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: into episodes anyway.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the amount of contact they would have had
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: with Red Shirts posts, you know, coming down and debriefing
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and medical and all that sort of stuff, handlers for
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: their weapons like that very clearly could have been a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: thing that would have happened that you would have had
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: no problem with because you believe it. You didn't have
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to make it some again, like you said, I've been
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: connected with it for a couple of episodes. Who really
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: gives a shit, But it just sort of took me
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: by surprise, because yeah, we've been we're losing people that
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: have had place in this show and recognizable enough names
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: along the way, Like if all sudden Keller died, it'd
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: be like, but we just got started, Like why would
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you do that? And yeah, but I love his I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: love his explanation. Height Meyer put her hand up in
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: my own head and I'm I am who I am
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: on this show as well as the writer director of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: this episode. That actress is done. I'm just picturing that now,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like he said, oh, people think about doctors that he's
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that you know that clip that goes around occasionally of
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Entourage and Ari Gold's walking through the agency and he's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: just firing like essentially like a is it a paintball
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: gun at his stuff, all the people that used to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: be stuff, and he's taken over now and he's just
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: firing them. If he's actually firing them, he's shooting them
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: with paintballs, and he's like, your feats have already been decided.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Like that's that. I feel like that's what Robert, if
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: he was anywhere near as cool as Ari and Jeremy Piven,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that Robert C. Cooper would be like that walking through
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: just like you're dead. You're dead. Why you told me
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: in my own dream that you would be okay with
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: me killing your character off?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when a character on Stargate is scheduled to die,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: they just received like a bug.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: In the mail. It was like, now I've got you now.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Funnily enough, I found this little snipper. I mentioned obviously
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: last week.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: That this was the first episode film, so they filmed
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: this as the first episode of the season, and then
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: they filmed a bunch of stuff out of date. A
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: little bit trivia, I found fans who used iTunes to
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: download the Atlanta season premiere Adrift discovered they had in
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: fact purchased this episode instead, three weeks before it was
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: set to premiere on Sci Fi Channel. The mix up
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: lightly likely comes from the fact that Doppelganger was the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: first episode of the season to be filmed, and thus
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: carries an internal production number of four oh one at
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the studio.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Wow yeah, thank god, no big character did get killed
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: in this, and you make like you downloaded and then
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you've just got a spoiler.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Thank god that the kind of Fantom already knew that
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Carter was joining. Yes, yeah, exactly, like Atlantis because yeah, wow.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Or even that they're lucky enough that it wasn't last
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: week where the first thing they see is her getting
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: called up.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like I get for the others.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: That didn't you know that, the Phantom and stuff, but
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's there, because you could almost go, oh,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I wonder why that's the case.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I imagine seeing the end of season three where we
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: gets blasted and then the next scene you see is
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: McKay going, I think they're gonna tat me the new boss.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: What they've moved on quick?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well just.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Even you saying the title again, what is what's Doppelganger?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Like, other than the fact that like I think it's
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: just that he took.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Other John that existed in people's dreams, I'm like, is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that enough of a double ganger to.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Call this episode when you've got fantastic episodes of Buffy
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the Vampires like called doppel gang Land where they go
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to a different sort of like mirror universe and you
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: get like lesbian Willow before she was in a lesbian
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and it's fantastic.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: And then this was not speaking of mirror universes though,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: based on what's been described to me, the personification of
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Colonel Shepherd and Everyone's dreams is behaving much like a sociopath.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Go to I did love that, yeah, submitted without without comments.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It's just like I look a little evil.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah ak, why k why? That's all I'm gonna say.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I did enjoy it. Shows how far we have come
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: in this show.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Though, Like as terrible as I think this episode is,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: seeing Taylor's season one wig again dream, I was like, wolf, Yeah,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I mean surprisingly like what we normally see Taylor as
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that is still a wig, that's not her real hair.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: But just going back to that season one line, whek,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, I'm so.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Glad we got rid of it. Yeah that was that
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: was a vibe.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how long did that was an entire season one?
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Or do they I'm pretty sure within like episode two
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: or three.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they yeah, changed changed that around a bit, like oh,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it was just the panteine that she used when she
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: was on the Atlantis.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: When she finally got a shower. Yeah, completely find it
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: what showers were. It was fantastic.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: And yeah I mentioned it last week as well, like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the scene where like Ronan's having his nightmare and he's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: running through Atlantis while it's all empty. That's when I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: find you really notice that he's just wearing those bandages
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that just go three quarters of the way up his arm.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I'll have to have a look at that now, because
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I was just focusing him as a whole running through,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: not the fact that they were trying to hide tattoos.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, even just that that sequence, I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: mean one that one shot where he comes into the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: room and comes around a corner and touch of a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: hallway into the main gate room and then up the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: stairs and across the sort of the back upper level,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and then down the stairs again after he went through
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a different controller room and then across and then just
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: before he went into another hallway. That's when they cut them.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Like this really is a giant set. It would I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: wonder how big that actually looks like it because I'm
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: again I'm looking at from like a three wall type perspective,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: but it still looks pretty bloody big. And then even
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: when it cuts and goes into a hallway and I'm like, yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that's the whole way we readress or whatever. But I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: wonder how many active sets they do just keep up
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd love to see.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Joe Malatti's ever posted like, you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: just you know, little diagrams of like how this, because
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I have seen ones of like, you know, the Ghouled
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: motherships that it's literally just a it's just three corridors
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in a triangle shape, yeah, right kind of thing.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: They're just an infinite, infinite kind of loop.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I would love to know sort of how
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: much outside of the gate trim is real because it
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: obviously I mean this episode, what I liked is we
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: started eating outside like that. I feel like the breakfast
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: scene was really nice with the cool dawn cgi and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: all that kind right at the end, oh yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: When no one can sleep, Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I do something about seeing those the tables and chairs
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: just out on the deck overlooking the ocean, I'm like, yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: there's in great real estate there for a nice cafe,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: so why not why not take advantage of it?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, given that the other times we've seen them eating,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Like remember back when like the other Rodney showed up, Yeah,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: could have called that epiod Dopple getting a basement so
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: much better. That's actually just the gate room they just
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: put They just fold the gate down into the ground
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: wheel in another wall and then suddenly it's it's it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the Commis.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Area or whatever. Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to actually see how much how
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: much actual filmable set that actually had be very interested
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: how much it is set and how much it is the.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Is the blade set as well? Like, yeah, they inherited.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Oh and that was the other thing too when I
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: was talking about like all the other bits and pieces
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: that I didn't really buy about the episode. The premise
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: of this, like the bet that Rodney had with Selinker
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: at the start of the episode, is that there's no
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: information about this planet in the ancient database. Yes there's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: an entry, but there's no information. That seems very unusual
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and out of character for the ancients to like catalog
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that planet put in. Well, when they put a warning
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: or like what and again we never find out why
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: there was no information about this planet there.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it would be different if it was like
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in SG one, where we're working off all the information
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: from Abbodos, where it's got gate addresses up right, we're
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: working off the cartoon, so we're like, hey, here's a
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: couple of one hundred, here's a couple of thousand gates.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: We're just going to slowly start working our way through.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that could sort you out until the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: end of the series entirely two seasons, twenty four seasons.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You're just working off those gates alone. Now,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: they did end up finding more and blah blah blah, but.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: But we know nothing about them. We just know and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: that's fine.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Whereas here it's like the ancients built the gates, yeah,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and presumably put them in places, so it's like they
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: would probably know at least a little about it a little.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: They also, you know, seated life throughout this galaxy, like
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: human life throughout the galaxy, and created the Wraith and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: created the replicators, so it's like, yeah, why would this
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: just have no information.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a little trick. They just or
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: as many as there are that they say they've got
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: no information on. They just is you know, someone you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: getting through the logs and then that's when the wraith
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: attack happened. They go, oh, we're better leave here. And
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: it was just work unfinished, you know, the mind calendar,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: it's like it ends on twenty twelve?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Does that be wrong? Going to die?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Don't they? Someone? Just stop writing it? Yeah, you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: it's fine, guys. Someone died and we're freaking out because
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: someone didn't finish his homework.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: It's okay. They did give me a thought. Now, maybe
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: like what if a wraith touched one of those things?
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: What is a wraith nightmare?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Like all the replicators because they have like a hive mind,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So imagine if you could get one of those entities
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: into replicators with that that's not bad, but that potentially
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: like shut down the entire replicator hive mind and just.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: See them like with you know, the ancients, just leaving
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: them over and over and over again, like Duddy shuts
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: up your winging fools, and a wraith, I mean, they
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: just want to feed all the time. So I guess
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it would be what hunger related or or something maybe
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: feeding on each other which they don't like. That they
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: can do, but they don't like doing it. Maybe that's I.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Don't know, well maybe it's the opposite.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: It's just like Sunshine and Nimbos everywhere.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Oh God, no, where to God for this?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: All right? That is episode four, season four. Thank you,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Robert C. Kub But for writing in direction.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: That's what the ganger is. It's four and four. That's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: what the doppelganger is. It's four, episode four.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me. He finished the script, went back
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to the title page and was like, Jesus Christ, what
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: do I do?
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: That's why it was shot first.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: But he's like, I know, I have to move it
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to episode four so that I've got the double ganger.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder where that too. Helped with withye Maya,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the the actress, It's like, oh, they killing you off.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, what's the start of the season. I mean,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I guess anything can happen. Actually, no, this is a
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: couple in Do I get a roll in episodes one, two,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and three? No, I'm sorry, sorry, you actually told me
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you didn't. Well, your character told me that she didn't
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: want to be written as having any lines in the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: first couple. So I'm so sorry pulling out for that actress.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: She ain't coming back, Claire Rank, and I want to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: say well done. Speaking about coming back, we'll be back
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: next week. Traveler, someone's going to pass for it. I mean,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit of who did Travelers?
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Was that a that was Brad brad Right?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a brad Right things, a little bit
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: of a you know, a reference even though it's talking
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: about the future.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm not going to read this, notus. What am
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I doing? Take your booklet back before I spoil it
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: for myself. We will be back to talk about Travelers.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Episode five of season four of Stargate.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I love damn.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: You don't want to spoil yourself In the episode whe
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Keller gets murdered.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Why would you do that? You weren't even going to
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: be here today, and you come and put those thoughts
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: in the way head you talk about dreams with nightmares,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Juell state leaving this show now.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: You have to realize now that if you have doctor
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: in front of your name, you're going to die in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: this show.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I know my wife has been watching that Virgin River
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: on Netflix and occasionally, you know, Janet shows up because.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: She's not.
• 37:05
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• 37:09
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• 37:11
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