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The Incel Trip: Are we there yet? | HBR Talk 402 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: is something that I'm gonna talk about simply because it
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  Speaker 1: it just struck me today. There's there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different ways that we've talked about politics, the two party
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  Speaker 1: system in the United States, meaning not that there's not
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  Speaker 1: other parties, but that the two parties pretty much win
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  Speaker 1: everything all the time except for a few minor seats
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  Speaker 1: in different places. And so politics in the US really
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  Speaker 1: is mostly a battle between Democrats and Republicans, and the
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  Speaker 1: men's rights spectrum of political issues doesn't specifically fall into
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  Speaker 1: one camp or the other, in that both camps right
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  Speaker 1: now are guyinocentric. And we've been talking about that, like
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about that a lot, but something that I've
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  Speaker 1: kind of realized today when you talk to Democrats right
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  Speaker 1: now online most of the time, they don't have any
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  Speaker 1: reason to listen to you. They don't care, they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to, they don't want to hear about our issues.
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  Speaker 1: They don't once in a blue moon, they'll already be
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  Speaker 1: on your side if you're talking about don't shit on
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  Speaker 1: people for being trans or don't shit on men for
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  Speaker 1: being gay. But when it comes to men's right to
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  Speaker 1: have custody of their children, men's right to do process,
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  Speaker 1: they're divided based on race or based on things like, well,
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  Speaker 1: are those men gay, then we should give them custody.
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  Speaker 1: But if they're not gay, they don't have enough victim points,
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  Speaker 1: and then we should not. So you end up with
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  Speaker 1: very little ability to get anything done by talking to
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  Speaker 1: Democrat politicians, Democrat activists, any of that, because they're not
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  Speaker 1: sympathetic to men, they're sympathetic to progressive stack victim points.
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  Speaker 1: Now on the Republican side, you have this divide that
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  Speaker 1: has just happened, like it's fractured. The party is as
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  Speaker 1: fractured right now in some ways as the Democrat Party
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  Speaker 1: had been in twenty sixteen. And because of that, there
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  Speaker 1: are ways in which that party is somewhat ripe for
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  Speaker 1: the taking by men's rights activists, it's not currently suitable
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  Speaker 1: as it stands as a vehicle for getting people to
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  Speaker 1: understand men's issues necessarily. It's still very guyinocentric right now.
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  Speaker 1: The whole party, not just the old school GOP conservative
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  Speaker 1: old guard they're they're extremely ginocentric. But MAGA is very
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  Speaker 1: guinocentric too in a lot of ways. Although they have
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  Speaker 1: been schooled on due process because of what happened with Trump,
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  Speaker 1: because of what happened with oh Supreme Court judge, Now,
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  Speaker 1: why can't I think of his name starts with a K. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: all of that had schooled MAGA on the importance of
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  Speaker 1: due process, but they still don't quite get it when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to men who are accused of venement, partner
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  Speaker 1: and sexual violence, who aren't famous or part of Yeah, Kavanaugh,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, mister three or three, who aren't famous, who
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  Speaker 1: aren't part of the elite of the party, who aren't
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  Speaker 1: people who can do something for them. If it's you,
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  Speaker 1: they're still not quite getting it. And if it's somebody
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  Speaker 1: from the other party, they're still willing to wield false
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  Speaker 1: allegations or unverified, unvetted allegations as a weapon. But that's
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  Speaker 1: largely because I think a lot of people in the
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  Speaker 1: men's rights movement don't get involved in party politics at all,
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  Speaker 1: And I genuinely think think that if young men were
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  Speaker 1: to en mass start moving toward taking control of one party,
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  Speaker 1: they could do it if they focused on the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 1: If young men and the men's rights movement wanted to
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  Speaker 1: change the direction that a party is moving, that's the
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  Speaker 1: party they can affect right now. And the reason I
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  Speaker 1: say this is because they are the ones that right
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  Speaker 1: now there's a new guard replacing the old guard. Young
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  Speaker 1: blood is coming in and they are openly turning over
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  Speaker 1: as a party from from previously being just about tradition
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  Speaker 1: and just about you know, the old ways of doing things,
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  Speaker 1: whether they were tradition or not, to looking more towards
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  Speaker 1: civil rights, looking more towards smaller government, and looking more
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  Speaker 1: toward reforming some of the really egregious due process violations
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  Speaker 1: that have been written into law and policy in the
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  Speaker 1: Pact in the past. So it's not so much that
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  Speaker 1: I think the Republicans are a men's rights party, as
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  Speaker 1: I think that if you want to have success in
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  Speaker 1: getting through the American political system to actually change law
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  Speaker 1: and policy. It's going to be easier to knock the
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  Speaker 1: guyn of centrism out of the Republican Party than it
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  Speaker 1: is to knock the guayn of centrism out of the
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  Speaker 1: Democrat Party. And the one thing that probably would have
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  Speaker 1: to be put on a back burner is the fight
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  Speaker 1: over bathrooms. And we are fully aware that before women
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  Speaker 1: started complaining about trans women and women's bathrooms, women spent
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  Speaker 1: decades fighting to get into every space that men have.
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  Speaker 1: And women have spent decades invading men's bathrooms, men's locker rooms, right,
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  Speaker 1: men's clubs, men's organizations, men's sheds are even getting invaded.
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  Speaker 1: We're aware of that. But right now, probably the biggest
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  Speaker 1: and most important two battles that the movement has are
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  Speaker 1: preventing the state from separating children from their fathers and
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  Speaker 1: preventing the state from taking away due process rights from
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  Speaker 1: the average individual. And if you want to win those
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  Speaker 1: two battles, you can't be divided by the battle over
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  Speaker 1: the bathrooms. And it's just not going to work. If
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  Speaker 1: you're so busy fighting over the bathrooms that you neglect
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  Speaker 1: the battles over due process rights and family rights, family
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  Speaker 1: unity and stuff. You're going to find that you lose
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  Speaker 1: all of the battles, especially in dealing with the old
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  Speaker 1: guard of both parties. You're not going to get sympathy
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  Speaker 1: from the Democrats and you're not going to get sympathy
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  Speaker 1: from the Republicans. So the best option that I see
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  Speaker 1: strategically right, not so much it's not going to feel
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  Speaker 1: good as an option, but strategically, really the best option
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  Speaker 1: is to go in and take that party away from
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  Speaker 1: the Guynescentrists and make it ours. Seems like a big job,
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  Speaker 1: but it's very possible, and it's much more likely to win.
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  Speaker 1: When you're talking about who's going to be president, who's
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  Speaker 1: going to be legislators, who's going to be judges, who's
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  Speaker 1: going to determine whether the judicial system uses feminist jurisprudence,
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  Speaker 1: who's going to decide what kind of laws stay in
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  Speaker 1: place and which ones get repealed, what new laws passed,
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  Speaker 1: and so on. It's very much going to be necessary
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  Speaker 1: to have a political party that you can get candidates
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  Speaker 1: into that when they get into office, can affect these things.
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  Speaker 1: Then to spend the rest of our lives as a
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  Speaker 1: movement going well, we can't get anything done because both
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  Speaker 1: parties are against us.
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  Speaker 2: It's futile.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, these things are all bad and wrong and
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  Speaker 1: we're stuck. But there's nothing we can do about it. No,
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  Speaker 1: just storm the gates and start changing the way people
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  Speaker 1: think from the inside. You make it ours, rather than
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  Speaker 1: not being able to get anything done because it's not.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only way. So I'm talking about getting aggressive,
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  Speaker 1: not violently aggressive, but politically aggressive, right, and it is
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  Speaker 1: going to be difficult. It's not something I mean to say. Well,
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  Speaker 1: in five minutes, we could just take over the Republican Party. No,
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  Speaker 1: that won't have happen. But in the future, as we
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  Speaker 1: work at actually getting shipped done, we're much more likely
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  Speaker 1: to succeed if we do our own long march through
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  Speaker 1: that institution now than we are if we we try
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  Speaker 1: to try to fight with both parties forever or start
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  Speaker 1: our own. It's really it's really not gonna happen if
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  Speaker 1: we try to start our own. So that's what needs
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  Speaker 1: to happen, guys. There needs to be a divide and
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  Speaker 1: conquer attitude. Let the let the old guard go, get
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  Speaker 1: rid of the old blood, bring in the new blood,
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  Speaker 1: and be the new blood. That's that's influencing how the
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  Speaker 1: party changes. But it's only gonna work with that one
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  Speaker 1: because the other one is going to hate you for
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  Speaker 1: being male because of where you stand in the progressive stack,
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  Speaker 1: which is always as a lower level victim or a
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  Speaker 1: higher level oppressor than the women of your position in
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  Speaker 1: that stack. So yeah, that's that's that's my take on it.
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  Speaker 4: I like, I like the idea. I would like to
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  Speaker 4: see more new blood coming in to these parties. The
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  Speaker 4: most promising one that I'm seeing right now is Spencer Pratt,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe we have to start at the state level
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  Speaker 4: and not you know, think about you know, trying to
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  Speaker 4: win over whoever is going to be in the Oval office.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously that's that.
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  Speaker 5: Is a long haul.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I.
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  Speaker 4: Really like Spencer Pratt. I think he is a candidate
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  Speaker 4: that would probably be more susceptible to men's rights issues.
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  Speaker 4: I like him because you don't know where he stands
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  Speaker 4: on Trump, you don't know how he feels about and Ron,
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  Speaker 4: you know a lot of things. You just don't know
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  Speaker 4: where he falls. But what he does do, he's not
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  Speaker 4: He's not someone that's trying to tear things down. He's
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  Speaker 4: trying to point out what's going wrong and say this
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  Speaker 4: is what I'm going to do different, And I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just very hopeful for him. I think there Yes,
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  Speaker 4: it is a long road to hoe, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: there is promise here. And you know, if we can
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  Speaker 4: just get everybody on the same page and you know,
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  Speaker 4: the whole bathroom thing that you're right, it's just a
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  Speaker 4: losing argument. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about
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  Speaker 4: the bathroom argument. There's always going to be some father
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  Speaker 4: who's over zealous about who's around his young daughter, and
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  Speaker 4: with good intense you know, like I get that right,
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  Speaker 4: but it's just not it's not winning anybody over. You know,
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  Speaker 4: people can see the people can see the legitimacy of
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  Speaker 4: the argument. However, what are we doing, Like you're arguing
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  Speaker 4: about bathrooms. It's time to move on and move forward. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: I think that's something that should still be you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's not something that we should just shove off of
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  Speaker 4: the table. You know, don't throw the baby out with
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  Speaker 4: the bathroom water type of situation. But you know, men's
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  Speaker 4: rights issues extend far beyond who's using watch bathroom, you know,
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm with you on that.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks. I think that it's kind of our only pathway
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  Speaker 1: at this point, like we aren't going to get anywhere
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  Speaker 1: with both parties being against us, and we're not going
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  Speaker 1: to persuade the Democrats, like that's just not gonna happen,
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  Speaker 1: and we're not really going to persuade the Republican Party
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  Speaker 1: as it stands either. We would have to get involved
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  Speaker 1: and not just start talking to people, but start being
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  Speaker 1: being the party, meaning that you know, there need to
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  Speaker 1: be enough people who are men's rights oriented or men's
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  Speaker 1: issues sympathetic, whatever you want to call yourself. People who
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  Speaker 1: are interested in ensuring that that families aren't being broken
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  Speaker 1: up by the state, that families, that women aren't being
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  Speaker 1: encouraged and incentivized to divorce with financial incentives. Like people
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  Speaker 1: who want to see you know, the court system, the
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  Speaker 1: legal system change so that gaff to actually be guilty
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  Speaker 1: of a crime, to be found guilty of a crime
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  Speaker 1: and go to jail because evidence matters in the court system.
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  Speaker 1: Things like that. More people with those as their main
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  Speaker 1: goals in their political activism need to start registering, going
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  Speaker 1: to the primaries, voting based on candidates, how candidates address
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  Speaker 1: those types of issues, getting involved in local like Republican events,
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  Speaker 1: Republican not clubs, but organizations and even you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you're the type of person that does canvassing or other
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  Speaker 1: door to door activities, works in a fair county, fair
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  Speaker 1: booth things like that. Being involved and having the ear
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  Speaker 1: of the guy down the street who's going to run
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  Speaker 1: for city council is a lot bigger than people think
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  Speaker 1: it really is, because if you get that guy's ear,
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  Speaker 1: he's got the ear of the county commissioner, who has
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  Speaker 1: the ear of your your local representative at the state level,
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  Speaker 1: who has the ear of the governor and the senator
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  Speaker 1: at your state level, and the senator and representative at
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  Speaker 1: the national level and so on. That is the one
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  Speaker 1: thing that we haven't been doing for probably the last
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  Speaker 1: well one hundred years honestly, of men's rights activism. We
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  Speaker 1: haven't been doing that. And I think if if the
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  Speaker 1: movement was doing that, it would make an immense difference.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't happen instantly, but it would happen, and that
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  Speaker 1: would be one way we could get things changed. We
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  Speaker 1: would get the family courts changed, we would get family
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  Speaker 1: law changed, we would get the intimate partner in sexual
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  Speaker 1: violence conundrum solved. And I really do believe that we
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  Speaker 1: could get due process rights restored as well. So that's
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  Speaker 1: where I stand on it. It's for me, it's a
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  Speaker 1: realism thing. We'll never get this from the Democrat Party ever,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll never get it without changing the Republican Party
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  Speaker 1: from what it is today to what it should be.
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  Speaker 1: But we really aren't going to be able to change
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  Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. We have a chance to change the
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  Speaker 1: Republican Party. We should do it.
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  Speaker 3: All. Gender politics right, is simultaneously the most and least
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  Speaker 3: important subject. It's fundamental to how human beings operate at
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  Speaker 3: the sort of family level, but it tapers to the
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  Speaker 3: vanishing point when it comes to politics, like the broader
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  Speaker 3: problem of politics. The problem Hanna is alluding to in
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  Speaker 3: this presentation is the problem of a two party system.
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  Speaker 3: And that's really important because it's when democracy is at
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  Speaker 3: its most corruptible. If there are only two parties to
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  Speaker 3: be bribed, well, that's peanuts. And once you're at that point,
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  Speaker 3: then everything can be pushed in a certain direction. And
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  Speaker 3: in this case it is the guy in eccentric direction.
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  Speaker 3: And I'd like to give you a white pill from
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  Speaker 3: the British direction that we have escaped from the two
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  Speaker 3: party system. Or it looks like we are escaping from
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  Speaker 3: the two party system of red and blue, although our
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  Speaker 3: red as you're blue.
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  Speaker 2: And but.
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  Speaker 3: We've created Reform has been created as a protest vote basically,
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  Speaker 3: and and and we're using it to sort of do
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  Speaker 3: the equivalent of get rid of the Democratic Party and
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  Speaker 3: the and the Republican Party. It's hard to imagine an
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  Speaker 3: analog of that in the United States. We're not even
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  Speaker 3: talking independent or libertarian. We have those here too. But
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  Speaker 3: imagine if a party came out of somewhere that was
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  Speaker 3: none of these things, it was only a few years old,
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  Speaker 3: that sort of said if you want, if you want
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  Speaker 3: to have a vote, and you're completely fucking sick of
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  Speaker 3: the Democrats and the Republicans, here's a party you can
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  Speaker 3: vote for. I mean, imagine if you had that, and
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  Speaker 3: you know a good third of the electorate was voting
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  Speaker 3: for it, you'd be like, yes, yes, yes, Because in
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  Speaker 3: a two party system, people are screaming out for an
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  Speaker 3: alternative to the two party system because it's even worse
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  Speaker 3: than monarchy, because they lose all sense of accountability every
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  Speaker 3: four years, do you see? And and and I would
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  Speaker 3: say it's harder for Americans to accomplish this than it
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  Speaker 3: has been for people in the UK to accomplished this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it looks like it because now we have
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  Speaker 3: like five or six different parties that we can vote for.
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  Speaker 3: One of them is right wing, one of them is centrist,
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  Speaker 3: all the others are like various disguised flavors of leftists.
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  Speaker 3: But at least you know, we've created a wide range
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  Speaker 3: of possibilities. This isn't looking likely in the United States
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  Speaker 3: of America any time soon. It's still very much a
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  Speaker 3: two party system like independence and libertarians never win. I
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  Speaker 3: it's it's to the point of negligible, as as one
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  Speaker 3: would read it on the side of a breakfast cereal
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  Speaker 3: packet and so on. But you're you're are only on
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  Speaker 3: a different stone on that path. You just have to
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  Speaker 3: you have to zero seats a certain party, and that
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  Speaker 3: is inform the general public that that they have been
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  Speaker 3: nothing but a failure for every step of their being.
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  Speaker 3: We were able to do this with the Labor Party
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  Speaker 3: over the last two years, but we were even able
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  Speaker 3: to do it with the Conservative Party over the few
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  Speaker 3: years before that, and the Conservative Party is the oldest
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  Speaker 3: political party in the world. We were we we we
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  Speaker 3: were somehow able to inject some skepticism into its machinations
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  Speaker 3: using the Reform Party, which is now becoming Tori's two
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  Speaker 3: point zero. And that's that's a whole other fucking cattle
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  Speaker 3: of fish. But we were such a multi party system
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  Speaker 3: at this point that we can even send in the
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  Speaker 3: shuttle of restore to even get on ahead of the
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  Speaker 3: Reform Party. It might not, it might work, it might not,
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  Speaker 3: but the same model could be enacted in the USA
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  Speaker 3: if if you can, if you can really have the yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the freedom of speech to really let people know what
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  Speaker 3: the Democrat Party has done over the years, the decades,
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  Speaker 3: the centuries. I mean, you all know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: They did the fucking slavery, they did the fucking reverse
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  Speaker 3: slavery that we're going through now, and yeah, and all
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the shit in between. If you can actually, if you
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: can really get the truth across I mean, if America
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: really knew the truth for one fucking day, the Democrat
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Party would cease to exist and it would never come back.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry if you jeersed in your pants from what
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I just said. In America, it has to be done,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: and it's that it's happening in the UK. We are
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: getting rid of the Labor Party. We are even getting
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: rid of the Conservatives, and you can do that in
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: the USA. You can get not only can you get
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: rid of the Democrat Party, but the very next election
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: cycle you can get rid of the Republican Party as.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Well, very much.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: So that's multiple, isn't it?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Isn't it? In a word like if if I thought
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it would work, I would be saying this about the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Libertarian Party. But the Libertarian Party has sort of cut
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: its own feet off and it's not gonna work. But
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Orrtingham Men's Rights Party like there was in the UK
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: for a while, But I don't think that would be
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think we'd have the numbers that we would need.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: So what I didn't mention is you will need something
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: to replace the Democrat Party when you destroy it, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: it's going to have to be a party further to
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: the right than the Republican Party, because that's analogous to
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: what's going on in the UK. Yeah, we're pushing out
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the most left wing parts parties and replacing them on
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the other side of the spectrum with with right wing
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: parties because because the Republican Party isn't America Fest it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Israel Fest. I mean, good luck. Anyone trying to tell
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: me is not a.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Sad part of that is it's one of the things
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that the split isn't divided on either right and and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, they're split on it, but the power
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: centers and a Democrat party are Israel first. So we
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: have a two party system that's a one party system
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: anywhere that Israel is concerned, and none of the other
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: parties can get enough numbers up to win anything. And
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: now we had we could have had a chance with
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the Libertarian Party before Ross Perraut. Ross Perot single handedly
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: took away other parties chances for a whole generation of
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: voters because of what he did. And I don't know
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the younger people understand this, but during the I believe
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it was the Bush Senior and Bill Clinton election that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he got popular enough that it looked like he might
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: possibly win the presidency. It'd be you know, it would
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: have been a first. I don't think we've ever had
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a Libertarian candidate have that much of a chance before,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and not much less win, you know, but not even
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: have that much of a chance before. And when it
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: looked like he had that much of a chance. He
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: dropped out of the race like real sudden like, and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we don't know if he dropped out because he was
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: changing his mind about what he was going to do,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: or if he was forced out. We don't know what
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: happened behind the scenes. But then when it looked like
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Bush might win, then he re entered the race and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: he still got a lot of votes. But what he
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: basically did was divide the Republican vote and Clinton won.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: That's that's pretty much how Clinton won because he didn't
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: get a majority vote. He just got more votes than
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: than than Bush and more votes than Perro. He Baro
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: pro killed his chances at winning when he did that,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and ever since then, jen X hasn't trusted third party candidates. Now,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: maybe the millennial generation and the Zoomer generation have a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: chance at creating a third party or taking over a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: third party and getting enough votes out there after Gen
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: X ages out of voting. But in my opinion, we
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: don't have that opportunity. I think there's a lot of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Gen xers who are afraid to jump off of that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: high dive a second time. But yeah, I honestly, at
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: this point, I think our best bet because of the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Republican fracturing is to use that to our advantage. Sometimes
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you just have to be socially strategic, says the autistic gal.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: But when you see a divide like that, it is
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and I haven't been able to do that in life
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: for you know, most of my life. But now that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I've started examining this stuff, I can see it more
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: in a almost like a gamified strategic kind of thing.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: If you see a divide, if you jump in there
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and start pushing, you know, your ideas, you can kind
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of get get rid of the some of the bad ideas,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: especially the old guinocentric traditional ideas. And I think that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: we have a chance, but it would it would require
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of heavy lifting. And this is something that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: men would have to take charge of and do like
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: women like me. You know, we can describe these ideas,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: but direct direction and the heavy lifting, it is going
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to end up having to be men because otherwise you'll
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: end up with another guyinnocentric Republican party. Women will never
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: be able to lead a charge like that without veering
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: off into the guynocentric weeds. It'll never happen that way.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: But that's my suggestion. Anyway we can get into the article.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: It's just something that it struck me today, and it's
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: something I think that the men's rights movement needed here.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And I figured i'd start here because here is a
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: platform I have some control over. But so last time
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: we stopped, I believe like somewhere in here, I had
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it highlighted, and I accidentally unhighlighted it. I touched my keyboard,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: was a mistake, ended up having windows pop up that
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to look at and everything. So while
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I was talking, he always trying to close things. But
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: in any case, we'll we'll pick it right up here.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Dan finished school last year. I believe we read this
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: paragraph was our last paraff we read last week. Dan
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: finished school last year. Where he was, he says, an
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: IT nerd who wasn't popular IT guys were pretty generally
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: pretty lonely. We just talked to ourselves, stick to ourselves.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But even when I did try and go out and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: talk to people, I did usually get rejected. He's continued
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: in this vein. He now works in IT services and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: lives alone. He has rather strict opinions about female apparel.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It doesn't like makeup and fake stuff. I'm wearing makeup.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: It's not excessive, he says. Embarrassed. Dan says his dating
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: life is terrible. He sighs, Men like me can't get anything.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And I know we read this because I remember remarking
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: about how she embarrassed him. I'm wearing makeup. Guy has
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a right to his preferences. Guys, if he doesn't like it,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: just because you're doing it doesn't mean that he has
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to be embarrassed for not liking it. So here's where
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: we would pick up. Then most girls my age, right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: they look for those hard nuts, those roadmen, those people
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: who don't respect the other gender, Guys who just want
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: some hot chick tits out, really tight shorts and stuff
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: like that, always in a bikini. Dan sees women like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: this all the time, he says. He shakes his head.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: It's like horror, dirty horror. I think we read this
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: part too. The words uttered in his mild, disapproving voice
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: hang in the air, and again like this is he
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: has every right to his opinions. This isn't something that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: we are that we being women, are are entitled to control.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Just like men don't get to control which men, women
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like women don't get to control which women men like.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: That should be a no brainer, right, that should not
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: even be controversial. But men don't get to complain if
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: women bitch about which women men like, and they don't
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: get to complain if women bitch about the men they
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: don't like. So creep shaming never caught on as a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: term outside the men's rights movement, but slut shaming has
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: caught on not just among you know, feminists and woke
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: ideologues and so on, but even trad cons will use
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that term. Even people who profess to live by the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Bible and believe in conservative values and have a moralistic
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: attitude towards sex and sexuality will still use the term slutshaming,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and they'll still treat the term creep shaming like it
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: is a not real term, because women are allowed to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: have standards while bitching about the opposite sex of standards,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and men are allowed neither.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Which is crazy if you think about it, because how
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: many times have you heard women you know get together
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and sit there and bitch and complain about this horror
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: that they know, or this horror did this, or that
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: you know. It's okay when women complain about other women,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: but men can't do it. You know, the ladies, can
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: we have some standards besides double standards?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean women. Women can get mad at other women,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: righte an entire song about how you a stupid hope,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and it becomes popular.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm right. Uh.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Men. Now, a man will write a sarcastic diatribe against
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: being treated like a creep, and it'll become popular, but
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: it has to be couched in so much sarcasm that
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: most of the people listening to it don't understand what
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: it means, right, Whereas you know, women can just bluntly
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: say it you stupid hope, and of course it's popular.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: It becomes almost an anthem.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Some people will get mad about it, you get traditionalists
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: mad about stuff like that, but most people will respond
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: by saying, you know, this is this woman writing about
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: her experience, and it might be her experience that this
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: other woman is in fact a stupid hope. I've run
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: into quite a few, quite a few just on social
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: media actually stupid hoats, So it is quite distinctly possible.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: But again, the big thing is the difference in acceptability.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: So if you can't have standards, you're not allowed to
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: have standards, and you're not allowed to approach. You're not
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: allowed to not approach right, You're not allowed to not
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have standards. And also you're not allowed to be unattractive.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You're not allowed to be unpopular. You're not allowed to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: want to be popular. You're not allowed to care what
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: women think of you, but you must be considerate of
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: whether they care what you think of them. How much
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: am I missing here, guys? I'm sure there's a lot more,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I like Mangaka's take on it. After consulting
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: with the experts and authorities on the subjects, it has
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: been concluded after extensive research that you are, in fact
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a stupid hope that that's perfect. I asked Dan if
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: he thinks it's okay to say that. Oh, you know
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: what that makes me think of your respect women? Badger
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Radio the hew you badg your brigade was founded on
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: responding to do you respect women? Go ahead, Lauren?
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I wasn't say. I think Ridrews trying to
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: say something.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Oh go ahead, Richard, I don't respect women. There you
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: go as you should not.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I don't respect it. I don't respect anybody in general automatically.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: It's again, respect is earned, and this is something that
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: women don't understand because they think that everything should be
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: handed to them. They don't want to have to earn.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: This is why they complain about the fucking wage gap. Oh,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: this man is making more money than me, why shouldn't
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I get the same amount of money?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Well, bit, you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Got to earn it. It's not a wage gap. It's
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: an earnings gap, which is makes all the sense in
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: the world as to why you don't fucking understand.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, this is here's here's where we started out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And we did a show on this actually a few
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: years ago, Alison and Karen and I talked about our history.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: There's a there's a subreddit in sort of connection to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the Men's Right subreddit called Lady MRAs. I think it's
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: still there. I haven't actually visited reddit in a few months,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: so it might not be, but I mean it was
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: at the time. It was a fraction in the size
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: of the Men's Right subretd. I think there were like
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: thirty some MRAs and the Men's Right subreddit at the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: time this happened, and there were like fifteen hundred in
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the Lady MRAs subreddit, and there was a veteran MRA
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: a guy that's been in the trenches of men's rights activism.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: At that time, he'd already been there for like twenty years.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And this we're talking this happened in twenty twelve or
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen somewhere in there, So thirteen more years have passed,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you know, since that happened. But he was having back
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and forth conversations with some of the ladies and the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: lady MRA subreddit, and one of them asked a question
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: about the difference between certain elements of the manisphere or
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: some such thing. It was a question that indicated she
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: didn't really know or understand the different specific elements that
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: part of the manisphere, that being you know, men going
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: their own way, men's rights activists, pick up artists, traditionalist conservatives,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: red pillars. There was a whole set of separate groups
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of people. And though Factory was this guy's name, he
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: went by Factory too, because I think his original ID
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: might have been shadow band or something. You get shadow
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: band over the stupidest shit on Reddit. And he wrote
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: a blog post and gave a rundown. This is a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: little bit of the history of the movement. This is
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: what these each of these groups are. This is how
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: they interact with each other, this is why people are
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: in these different groups, and so on, and he's like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: he really went into the basics. It was very educational
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: and when I read it, it was quite quite enlightening.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: There were things I didn't I didn't know that that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: helped me understand quite a bit of them, and so
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I was I was pretty pretty grateful for the article, actually,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: but there was One of the moderators of the lady
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: mra subreddit was offended and decided that he was the
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: bad guy for answering her question writing an article posting
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: a link in the lady mri subreddit. She felt talked
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: down to, so she basically accused him of man's blading,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and in the middle of everything else, she said she
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: didn't she didn't feel that he catered to women's sensibilities
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and narcissism enough in his article about the various elements
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: of the manisphere that exists to address issues for men,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: not women, and so she lambasted him with what you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: what's the matter with you? Don't you respect women? Do
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you respect women at all? And that led to a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: bit of a slap fight where essentially the three moderators
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: surrounded this guy, uh and and just dogpiled him as
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: a as a threesome with criticisms and complaints and lashing
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: out and so on. And then they went in you
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: what not the good kind of freesome. No. No, Then
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: they went into the Men's Right subreddit and invited the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: men of the Men's Right subreddit to come in and
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: join the argument and come down on this guy for
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: insulting them, which was a big, big mistake because the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of us that were in the Men's Rights subreddit,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: we uh we saw through their shit immediately. And so
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: then there was a big fight. Like it was. It
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: was kind of like the giant pie fight scene in
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: The Great Race, which is an older movie, but it
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: gets imitated, i think to this day in cartoons.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Busy boxing Bluff similar. At the end they had the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: pie fight.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was. It was a it was a
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: free for all, and there were a lot of things said.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I remember reading a lot of other people's comments, and
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I commented quite a bit as well, because like, there
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't really anything the factory said to get insulted over,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: be upset over, you know, at worst, a person who
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: really didn't need to know all that stuff. Who already
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: knew it or you know, I, well, that's a that's
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a great description, and thanks for posting that. Anybody that
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't already know now has a piece of reference work.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: But no, it was they were bitchy the whole time.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And my biggest beef was the whole do you respect women?
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Because she was using do you respect women? Not to
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: mean do you have a modicum of human respect for
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the adulthood and individuality of women? Or are you treating
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: us like children or a monolith? Or whatever she meant?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Do you defer to women's narcissistic sensibilities? Do you have
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: any deference for women's moral authority? And I don't believe
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: that either of those are valid ideas. Women don't have
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: moral authority. Women think they have moral authority. Women do
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: not have moral authority. Hell, today women barely even have morals.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: You can't have moral authority without morals. Uh, And and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: women certainly do not have you know, the the they're
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: not they're narcissistic, they're not justified in it. They don't
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: even they're not even justified in a positive self image
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And I hate to say that,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: but I think most women should be embarrassed at the
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: way that women behave today, so why should anyone respect
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: women much less show deference to women's sensibilities and moral authority.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: That's that's why I think Alison and Karen when they
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: jumped in, they kind of had similar attitudes about that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: And that's actually how we ended up connecting with each other,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: because we found ourselves backing each other's comments up with
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: information links to different things and so on, and eventually,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: like we were all saying just about the same things,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: we formed another subreddit just to show that we could,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and for a while it was bigger. We really didn't
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: need a separate subreddit from the Men's Right subreddit, so
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: it's kind of dead now. But that's where the f
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: E MRA term came from FI for Iron because we
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: were very stubborn in that conversation. I'm surprised we didn't
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: all get kicked out of that subreddit, get banned from
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: that subreddit, and then we went back to the Men's
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Right subreddit because we, like I said, we didn't need
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a separate female subret a little girls room in the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: great reddit spaces. There's enough of those already. But this
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: is why when the sentence is uttered, I ask Dan
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: if he thinks it's okay to say that, that's I
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: want to scream, fuck you bitch. It's not your call.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: If he feels that tits out, tight shorts, showing off
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: your body, slathering on makeup, if he feels like that
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: makes you a whore and he's not interested in you
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: as a result, that is his right, every right. He
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: has every right to have that, his every right to
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: not want anything to do with you. He even has
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the right to tell you it to fuck right the
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: hell off if you approach him, and and he's got
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the right to boundaries that you're not allowed to cross,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: no matter how badly you want to. Yes, it's okay to.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Say that cost them all the time, though yep, yep
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: they do.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: He goes on. Though it goes on, it's only some women.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: He says, if you just want to show off your
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: big tits, your fake tits, if you want to show
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: off your plastic surgery, get out of my life. And
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: then she says these women are not in Dan's life,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: which is bullshit, because he's an it guy. These are
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the women that need to be told. The reason that
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: your screen is dark? Is because your computer is unplugged.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Plug it in and turn it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: On, plug it improperly.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh god, there was there used to be a
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: circulating thing going around with a bunch of the worst
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: dumbest experience is I T guys had and one of them,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: this chick, calls I T because she's having a problem
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: with her computer and and uh, it will not turn on.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: She can't get the power to come on. She starts
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: out by saying the screen is dark. And he's probably
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: not the only computer.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: It's probably not the only thing she can't turn on. Heyo,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: but the screen's dark. She can't she can't get it
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: to respond, you know. And the guy's like, is it
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: turned on? She's like, I can't tell, you know. She
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: she checks and it's not turned on. She turns it
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: on and it won't come on, and he's like, well
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: is it plugged in? And she's like, I don't know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: and he goes, well, can you check? And she's like, well,
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: I can't see the check and you know, and and
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: he's going, why can't you see the check?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Is there?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Can you can you turn on a light? And she's
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: like no, the power is out?
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Was she well? She forgot it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: No, she just just was female.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Same thing.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: And see this, this this is the thing, like why
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: is a guy going to think any differently if that's
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the what like the powers out? I don't understand why
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the computer won't work when the power is out. And
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: this this, by the way, was back when you know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: if you wanted, we're going to carry around a laptop computer,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you had to carry it in a suitcase. It was
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: not you know, those big thick, heavy laptop computers that
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: were almost the same as carrying around a desktop computer
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and your monitor, your desktop monitor was was a foot thick,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: uh but or more. But yeah, that that's that's pretty
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: much what guys like that have to deal with. And
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the funny thing is I shared that with a friend
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: who works in it, and he's like, I have had
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that exact experience.
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: Oh my god.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: So it's not a one time thing. It's it's why
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I D ten T error and PEBCAC air who there
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: are a couple of people citing that in the in
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: the chat by the way, and the restream chat. So
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that would be the regular Yeah. PEBCAC Night Motorcyclist noted
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: on both I D ten T and PEPCAC errors, which
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: if you see those, obviously I D ten T. When
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you see it, you can you recognize it's an idiot
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: error PEBCAC is problem exists between keyboard and chair or
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: chair and keyboard, depending on who's typing it and how
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: they spell it.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: But I want you to subscribe that, Hannah, is how
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: awful lot of companies work these days. Like the sales
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: staff don't do anything, the fucking receptionists don't do anything,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: the managers don't don't do anything. They're all just there
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: accepting a wage for doing basically nothing, while one nerd
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: is sat in the corner programming all day every day
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: and he's constantly stressed. And that is how most companies work,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: because most companies operate on the Internet.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Now yep, then they all guy like he's persona on gradis.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly, but he's the only one who's actually doing any
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: fucking work. And hopefully this is going to change in
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: the future when it comes to AI, because that one
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: IT guy is going to be in charge of the AI,
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: and everyone else it's going to be sacked because their
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: jobs can be replaced by AI.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I'd rather see AI go that direction and the
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Terminator future. If we get the Terminator future, the only
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: thing that's going to save us as another Carrington event,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: which now, if we get the Matrix future, a Carrington
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: event would be a disaster because everybody in the pods
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: would get zapped. But in a Terminator future would be
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: all right. But uh but.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about an Ivory pop future.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: We might we might we would survive that if there
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: was a Carrington event, I don't think. Now, if we
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: have the Elon Musk future, that's going to be dangerous
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: because people will have the technology implanted into their brains
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: and everybody will get zapped. You'd have to run around
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: wearing uh, what is it, a Faraday cage on your head,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: like a tinfoil hat in order to you know, you
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even be able to do that because you'd have
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to be you'd have to be in a spacesuit it.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: It would be the Chowmn's future would be uh oh,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting there, Mangaka. I don't know.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: So it'd be a logan, it'd be a logan one future.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's quite possible, like for people who don't know.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: The Carrington event was a solar storm that caused essentially
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: an emp around the world that was so bad that
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: it it caused electrical surges in the UH in the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: power lines and not the power line well, I don't
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: remember if there were power lines at that time or not,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: because it was in the eighteen hundreds, but in like,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the thing I remember reading her about was telegraph operators
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: getting zapped, you know, by the power searge. It fried
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: telegraph wires. It was it was bad. If it happened
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: in the computer age, a shit ton of data would
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: just disappear like you would not believe the damage something
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: like that would do today, and most systems are not
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: prepared for it at all. Most people like I would
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: lose all my data. Most people would lose all their data.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: You couldn't even use some sort of a backup because
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: anything you used to back it up would have the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: same problem. Unless you had a means of preventing something
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: like that. You'd have to have a safe to keep
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: something in that would keep that electromagnetic pulse out, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that's not a very common thing. So so if AI
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: does take over, it'll last until the next really bad
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: solar storm, and then it'll be fucked. Unless it defends
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: itself against that, but in any case, and it'll probably
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: be men who will solve that problem anyway. In any case, Yeah,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: these women are in Dan's life and they're probably making
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: him miserable. But Dan hasn't dated anyone in a while,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't have any friends. That's important for her
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: to mention, right, because she has to make him look bad,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: and she has to make him look pathetic and miserable.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: She can't sympathize with his situation. She has to hate
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: on him, be angry with him, and shame him. He
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't talk to many people these days. I'm just sitting
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: here gaming most of the time, sleeping. He calls places
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: like Reddit and Discord his haven and do a lot
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: of online gaming. So I do talk to people online.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going I like going out meeting face
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to face people, but there's just nobody really to do
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: that with the men's rights community is helpful, he says.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: He's keen to defend it. When I mentioned the trolls
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I've seen posting on Reddit forums, he uses, it's just
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: not slagging feminists off. He insists, sometimes men are slightly off,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: sometimes there's hate, but in generally, he tells me, it's
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: not about misogyny. It's about men sticking up for each other,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and they make him feel like he has a right
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: to be upset. It's a very supportive community, he says earnestly.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I want you to understand what she did there, right.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Feminists have like twenty or thirty different subreddits at this
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: point to make women feel like they have a right
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: to be upset and to encourage women to act on
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that in the real world. They have subredits for dating,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: they have subredits for education, they have subredits for bashing men.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: They have subreddits for getting angry about things that other
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: people said in other subreddits. There's literally one called shitreddit says,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: which is a title stolen from a guy who wrote
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: about his father's idiosyncrasies in a book called Shit my
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Dad says. Sitcom yep, and it got turned into a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: sitcom and it had William Shatner and it was great.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever done anything that wasn't great,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: But in any case, like, they couldn't come up with
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: their own original title, so they stole his. And it's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: it's fitting because they're all full of shit. But they
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: don't think that men should have a subreddit to talk
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: about men's issues, and so they have to phrase it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: like this, even though that's what most feminist subreddits are.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel the need to point this out while
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: this is still in the view. He's keen to defend it.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: When I mentioned the trolls I've seen posting on Reddit,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: he uses, Now, this is a term we are all
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: used to. He just call people trolls. But try to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: explain this to someone who doesn't know anything about the Internet, Like,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: what does she mean trolls? Well, trolls means it's well,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: people who don't mean what they say. It's when I'm
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: arguing with people and they say things so outrageous that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: I can't possibly believe that they mean them. All right,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: and you're calling them trolls, are you, rather than just
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: detractors or agitators? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you want you want?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: You want to call them some kind of Scandinavian mythical beast,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: do you?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, that's that's what we do when people speak
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: in favor of men's interests and they they just don't
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: agree with me for some reason. Yeah, yeah, they are
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: mythical Scandinavian monsters. What well, I just like, you know,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: those are the kinds of entities that you find online,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: when well, those are the kind of entities that men
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: find in universities and in schools and in the media,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: and in hospitals and the and in the army, all
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: of the institutions. Yeah, I mean, and we generally steal
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: man those people and just call them like feminists or
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: communists or something. We like, we'd don't call them ogres,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: do you get me?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: We maybe we should.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: We well, sometimes we do. Sometimes we call them trolls,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: but you know, we we have literal descriptors for them,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: like like feminists and communists, because a lot of them
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: do identify as feminists and communists. Yeah, so that's why
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: we do that, And that's why, like I know, you
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: think you're you You sound like the U the sensible
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Centrists when you describe your enemies as trolls, right, because
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: that's just that's that's just normal to you. But trolls
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: are actually mythical Scandinavian monsters. Do you know? Do you know, Oh,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: you didn't know you were doing that? Just what did
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: you think you meant? My in cells men who murder women? Right? Well,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: like I think you've you might have become entrenched in
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: some mythological imagery that makes no fucking sense. Yeah, I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: think that's what's going on. Maybe looks like.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: It, maybe a little radicalized, little bit a little bit, Richard,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: did you have something to say?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say and sell some mythical creatures.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: There we go, and cells are mythical creatures.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: Yes they are. Yep, they're they're They're like goblins. Those
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: those of us down here in normal world are thinking
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: of goblins as like the people going goblin mode, which
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: is officially in the dictionary now just hopelessly self indulgent people.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: I did see it. I'm sorry, go on. I did
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: see a treat by Chris Rieoston saying that C. S
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Lewis was a feminist.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know that. I would have called C. S
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Lewis a feminist, but a lot of people don't know
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: the word guinocentrists, so they say feminist. I would say C.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: S Lewis was definitely guyinocentric. But the Church, not the religion,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: but the church has been guynocentric somewhat is a backlash
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: to the Burning Times, maybe, but more just as as
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: part of the uptick in guynocentrism in in actual guynocentrism,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: not storge that that occurred from thirteenth century twelfth or
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: thirteenth century France and just continued forward through the centuries
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: unabated for some stupid reason. And uh so you know,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: it's it's not surprising to see a lot of writers
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: that that's that we're uh making Christian allegories and stuff
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: as guyinocentrists as well.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: So so let's stay talking of Cross.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Well, probably he wasn't as guynocentric as C. S. Lewis,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: but he was still ginocentric. And there's there's a degree
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: to which I think you're not going to find anyone,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: uh from from their time periods. You know that. I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: don't think you're going to find a non guinocentric uh
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Christian influencer so to speak, in the last two or
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: three centuries because of that. But and it's not necessarily
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: guynocentric to call someone beautiful or inspiring if they happen
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: to be female. It's gynocentric to call someone beautiful and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: inspiring because just because they are female. And you know,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the thing when it comes down
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: to it, people, The main thing that's that's been a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: problem is that that people have forgotten that men are
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: also beautiful and inspiring, and fortunately those writers didn't. They're
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: not as guyinescentric as a lot of people are today.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mike, It's.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: It's easy to point out that there are very few
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: female characters in Lord of the Rings or Indeed or
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: indeed The Hobbit, or any of any of talking things.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: But of the few female characters there are, they're all
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: basically Mary Zeus. I mean, yeah, I know that scene
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: in the film didn't happen in the books with the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: I am no man or whatever, but actually it did.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: But you didn't say it that way. But if you
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: tried to say the line out loud that Tokien wrote
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: in the book, it would just sound like you were
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: spouting off parts of the alphabet no living man am
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: I aon am I just doesn't roll off the tongue
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: as easily as I am no man. The thing is
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: that she didn't say it with disdain in the books,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: and it was like a solution to a riddle in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: the books, not a feminist moment. Aoen had a hero's journey,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: not a male hero's journey, a female hero's journey. She
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: had this grandiose idea of I have to be exactly
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: like a man in order to be a hero, and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: the hard way, but she learned it. She learned to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: find love where it is, instead of demanding or expecting
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: to be loved by someone who was never going to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: turn his eyes toward her, and to take joy in
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: the love she could find and to be there for
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: her family. She learned to do that and was happier
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: for it and did her best instead of doing what
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: she wanted, and she didn't try to usurp a man's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: place after that anymore. And that was something that for
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: a woman, it's not heroic to go out and expect
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: to have the same place as a man in a battle.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: For a woman, it is heroic to be a supporter.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: It is heroic to sacrifice your ego and to actually
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: put someone else before you. It's heroic to care about
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: other people more than you care about what you want, right.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: And that shouldn't even be that shouldn't even be considered
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: a sacrifice. It should just be something that you do
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: because you're not a piece of shit.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a level that you know goes beyond your
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: average woman too, and this is you got to realize,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: this is a princess. She's not, you know, she's not
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: somebody who worked hard because she had to, somebody that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: worked hard because she wanted to. But at the same time,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: she had to her inner demon. Her fight was with
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: her ego and her attitude. I have to be dislike
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: the men in order to be a person that deserves
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: to be recognized, when in fact that was really not true.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: And I always loved that part of the story because
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: you know, some people would put it as, oh, she
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: learned her place, She learned her place, But what she
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: really learned was to appreciate her life and appreciate love
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: that she could find, and to appreciate other people's boundaries.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Right because she was chasing Aragorn and he wasn't interested
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: in her, and pining over somebody that's never going to
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: be interested in you is foolish. And she there was
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: a man who loved her, and when she realized I
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: can have love, I can love and be loved and
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be with that guy who doesn't
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: want me, and I can be happy and I can
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: make him happy. That for a woman is a big
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: hurdle to get over. It shouldn't have to be. But
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: I think women are by nature more egotistical than men,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: even without the narcissism training that we in the twentieth
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: century got, and women of the twenty first century are
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: getting growing up as little girls. So before we go on,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read before it becomes too far out of date.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: We got a super child from the one good Man.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Dave was five dollars and said the Republicans would at
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: least support men in order to support women. Dems will
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: harm women in order to harm men. I also love
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: freedom tunes take on speaking to American Men and the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: ball kicking Machine. I think I've seen that one, but
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to look it up now to see
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: if it's what I'm remembering. But you are right. You
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: can the existing Republican party. You can appeal to them
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: by appealing to this will help women, and that's useful.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: It'd be more useful, though, if the party wasn't guyinocentric
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: that you know, the men's rights movement could just get
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: them to recognize, look, this is what civil rights are,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: and guines centrism shouldn't be more important than civil rights.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: But to do that, like I said, we would have
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: to take over the party. It would have to become
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: the Men's Rights Party, even if it was still called
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party, and it would be along march. It's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: a march through an institution, and it would be difficult.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: But I think it's doable. And that's my main point.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: That is it. It is doable. But yeah, so let's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: see where were we very supportive can be. Costello argues
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: that a that misogynistic hatred is primarily a mental health problem.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: People who are in good mental health don't spend their
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: whole time on the internet complaining about how women are.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: That just doesn't happen. Uh, And poor mental health often
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: does look ugly. So this is something that that explain
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: right from Hitler. Yeah, if someone says one thing the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: incomplaint about how women are, for example, Uh, I just
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: posted some think about women not not understanding personal agency.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Yeah, I do have it quick.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: And there was a somebody posted a cartoon and it
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: was drawn to my attention. Let me see if I
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: can actually put this tab in this window so you
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: can see it. So this is the I've seen this before, right,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: this stupid cartoon and I don't even know who drew it.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: But essentially it's yeah, we must end all abortions. The
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: woman says okay, and she throws chastity belts on the men, right,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: the point being that, you know, men are allegedly to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: blame for abortions because they knock women up, they get
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: women pregnant, they put a bun in the oven.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: I wonder if there's a Stephenson Spermatic trust inside that
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: chastity belt. Yes, it's it's a device that was invented
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: in the early twentieth century to climb around a human
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: male penis so as to prevent anything from happening. And yes,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: it's called a Stephenson Spermatic Trust. It's even spelt exactly
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: the same way as my last name. And there aren't
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: many things in this world to w many inventions in
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: this world to which my name can be put. One
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: of them is the train, and the other is a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: chastity tube that was attached to male boys in order
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: to prevent them from wanking, let alone impregnating anyone. Yes,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: these things existed. They have exis listed in uh, just
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: as much popularity as any of the weird attachments that
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: that people have put on women. Throughout this whole time. Yes,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: I know where chair has happened to women? I hereby
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: take to my fainting couch. But yeah, where chair? Where
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: chair has happened to men as well?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: It must have been worse for women, must it? Must
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: it have been worse for women? Maybe? I don't know.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: It's it's sort of fluctuates, didn't it. You know, we
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: both get our fucking genitals sliced up in various different
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: countries and various different times. It's it's all fucked up,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: isn't it. Maybe maybe it's all bad?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe, But here's here's my well, go ahead, and Richard,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: that sounds like a song. Yeah, here's my point on this,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: all right? Somebody posts this My response that women don't
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: understand personal agency. Therefore, in their minds, if they do
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: something careless and they don't like the outcome, they have
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: the right to shift any inconvenient consequence onto an innocent baby,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: or blame and shame you over it. And what I
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: mean by that is women have dozens and dozens of
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: various types of birth control available to us. Not all
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: of them are great, not all of them can be
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: used by everyone. For instance, I can't use birth control pills.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't use birth control pills. I can. I could go
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: to the doctor and get them prescribed anyway, as long
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: as I don't tell the doctor that I have a
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: predisposition to blood clots because they then she would never
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: prescribe them and she would explain to me that this
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: was a very bad idea and I might die from it.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: But many, many young women have birth control pills and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: use them. They get the birth control shot, they use
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I uds. I always have to pause for a minute
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: because I don't think it's wise to use an ied
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: as birth control. It would work, you just would never
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: have to do it a second time. Active ye effective, Yes,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: you don't get pregnant after you're dead.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I I always want to it. It's
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: a thing with me. I want to get March and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: May mixed up because they first they both start with
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: the same first letter. But I don't have that problem
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: with with Tuesday and Thursday. But in any case, Yeah,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: we have barrier methods, We have spermicides. We have things
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: that scoop out the the fertilized egg before it implants.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: We have things that scoop out the fertilized day after.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: It implants, when you're pregnant, we have abortions that can
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: be done at home, abortions that can be done at
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: the doctor's office. Also, if we say no and a
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: guy doesn't respect that, if he doesn't accept no for
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: an answer and uses force to override it, and we
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: go to the cops, he's in violation of the law
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: in pretty much every country in the world. And you know,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: all we have to do is prove that it happened,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: and he is in jail. He has labeled a rapist.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: He has persona on gradis throughout society. In many countries.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: The stigma will follow him for the rest of his life,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: and he will have his job seeking affected. He will
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: not be able to make relationships. It'll affect where he
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: can live in some places. But if a guy says
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: no and a woman forces the issue, in many countries,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: she's not labeled a rapist. She's not saddled with the
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: same stigma. In some places, she might not even be
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: charged with anything. If she is charged with something, there's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that the courts will sideline the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: charge that she gets and treat her as a mental
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: health case instead. There's also a pretty good chance that
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: the guy just won't be believed that he can go
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: to law enforcement and say, hey, this happened to me,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: and they'll say in your dreams, come back when you've
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: got an actual crime that occurred. Even if he has proof, well,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: we really don't think this is that big of a deal,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: or they'll respond with nice. But if he does complain
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: and he does take it to the system. Even in
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: the United States, where feminists have said we have equality
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: under rape law because we fought for it and you
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: guys should be grateful, courts like the Supreme Court in
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Ohio have ruled that, actually, no, we don't, because if
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: the victim was not penetrated by the perpetrator, it doesn't
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: count as rape.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: We have to sow.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: In the UK, yeah, yeah, the same law with the UK. Yep,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: it's more explicitly so in the UK because your law
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: requires a penis to be involved in order for it
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: to be considered rape.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: So technically, I didn't I didn't it. I think it
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: uh uh all worded.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Technically but figuratively, factually realistically, yeah, totally different between the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: legality and the reality. Right, the law doesn't have to
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: follow reality. And uh, so we have we have consent.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: We have control over consent. Right, Women have control over
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: consent even if rape exists. In the vast overwhelming majorities
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: of sexual content contact that's consensual, and women have control
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: over that consent.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: And look at.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: Just look at the Apple situation. He had consent for
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: a woman and then she took it back. And now
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: everybody's laughing at Abba took us off.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: What happened. But he had everything, he had efforts and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: he recorded everything.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Yep. Uh, And so it's it's pretty solid. Women have
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: control over consent, and women even have some control over
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: men's birth control. And this is something that like part
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: of the chat's been talking about this too. In some countries,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: if a man stealths, which is a really dumb idea, guys,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: because you can get saddled with a child support bill
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: if you prove to be the father of the child.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: But if a man's stealths, which involves removing the condom
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: without the woman's consent, that's considered rape. But if a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: woman's stealth, which would be anything from lying about whether
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: or not she's using birth control to sabotaging her birth
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: control or his yep, sperm jacking, she's not considered a rapist.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: She can baby trap and she's not considered a rapist.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: If she doesn't have an abortion, she can saddle him
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: with a child support debt. He doesn't have to consent
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: to fatherhood for any of that to happen.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Right, So.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: This idea that that it's somehow men's fault that abortion
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: happens is bullshit. That's why I say women don't have
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: any concept of their own agency. We have all the options,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: we have the majority of control in that situation. If
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: a sex act happens between a man and a woman,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: the woman has the majority, the vast overwhelming majority of
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: control over whether or not conception happens, both in terms
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: of real physical capabilities based on the scope and spectrum
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: of birth control options we have and our consent mandate,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: and then also under the law in that overwriting a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: refusal is something only a woman can get away with
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: under the law. A man, if he's caught overwriting a refusal,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: never gets sent to a mental health institution instead of jail,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: And he certainly doesn't get off scot free because it's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: not rape because of the way that he committed the assault.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, people who complain about women on the internet
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: are not necessarily misogynistic. Sometimes it's just practical. This is
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: a fact that it is a problem that women don't
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: understand their own agency, That lack of understanding of agency
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: causes a huge part of men's issues. If you go
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: through the full spectrum of men's issues, whether it's parenting issues,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: whether it's due process issues, whether it's intimate partner and
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: sexual violence issues, lack of female agency can be behind
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: seen behind almost all of them. And yet if we
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: talk about it, we're misogynistic and we're not in good
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: mental health. Most of us will talk about it at
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: least sometimes there aren't very many people that do nothing
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: but talk about it. And most of the time when
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: you find somebody that does nothing but talk about that,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: it's because it has had a profound impact on his life.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Factory too. For instance, the guy that posted the educational
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: blog post that led to the formation of the Honey
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Badger Brigade was subjected to seven false rape allegations during
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: his dating life. Seven when he explained why men going
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: their own way existed, and he explained about the legal
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: environment that men face and the social environment that men
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: face around allegations that are now thought of as getting
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: me too. He wasn't talking out of his ass. He
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: was speaking from experience, and he got shit on for it.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: But he didn't talk about that because he has a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: mental health problem. He talked about it because it was
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: a serious problem and he saw how bad it could
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: get and how badly it can impact someone. Seven years
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: in hell. Guy can't work partly because he cannot take
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: a job where there are women that he would be
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: working with, because you can't get past the mentality that
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: what happened to him before might happen to him again.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: He was harassed at work by his ex wife during
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: that vexatious litigation ordeal, and when he went to our
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: boss because he worked with me. When he went to
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: our boss and said, this is happening and it's a problem,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: she said, there isn't anything I could do about it,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to take measures to protect yourself
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: because if she gets you in trouble, it's probably going
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: to cost you your job. And when she said there
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: isn't anything she could do about it, from her perspective,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: what she was talking about was this shouldn't be happening.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: But because a woman is doing it, I'm powerless to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: put a stop to it. But of course from him,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: for his perspective, what it means is you're not safe here.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Nobody is going to take your side. She doesn't have
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: to come here. But if she violates her restraining order
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: against you by showing up in your workplace, you're still
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: going to get arrested. He ended up quitting and that
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: was the last job you ever had. That's insane. That's insane, now,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: I have seen certain cases, like you know, where a
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: restraining order is put on someone and they'll tell the
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: person whom the restraining order is put against, you know,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: like if you're grocery shopping and that person walks into
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: the grocery shore store, just you have to leave, just
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: drop everything. But there should be certain protections in the workplace.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just that, it.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Blows my mind, blows my f can mind that that
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: happened to him.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Yep, and it was a real problem. One of these days,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: I'll have to read that on the air, that story.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever done that. I don't think
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I've ever read the seven Years in Hell story as
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: part of a show. But yeah, we're in Ohio. Right,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: we're in the Dayton metro area. This woman used Montgomery
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: and Green County court systems. She used the City of
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Dayton Police Department, the City of Riverside Police Department, and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: two other police departments to go after this guy, and
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: throughout the entire ordeal, the way that he was treated
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: was you should preemptively know all the places that she
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: might go and stay away from those places. If she
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: shows up where you are, you're already in violation, even
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: if you leave. Well, she lived across Dayton from him.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: He's in a suburb, you know, And we were working
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: in a suburb, and she was on the other side
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: of Dayton proper, and you know, like where we're talking,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of miles away. And the place that we
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: were working was a convenience store in the neighborhood where
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: we both lived in different places. And for her to
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: go to that convenience store, she had to go out
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: of her way. It wasn't like down the street from
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: her house or on her way to some place that
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: she regularly went. It was completely outside the circuit of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: her normal route. But because she had a restraining order,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: if she went in there and he didn't leave, she
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: could get him arrested, and she did. She went in
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: several times. She vandalized the bathroom, trying to get him
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: busted for being there when she was there and for
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: harassing her. The fun part was she vandalized the bathroom
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: right before it was my duty to go in there
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: and clean it up. So and she vandalized it with
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: a sharpie, which made things really easy because you can
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: remove a sharpie from just about anything with isopropyl alcohol,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: and that was the main ingredient in the sanitizer we
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: used to clean the counters because it evaporates completely and
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: you don't have any poisonous residue on food surfaces. So
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: when she called and filed a complaint and they came
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: in to check to see what was there, there was nothing.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, there's graffiti all over the ot side
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: of the bathroom about me goes in there. The walls
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: were spotless. So anyway, the point is, like people talk
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: about misogynistic comments on the internet all the time. You
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: hear this, well, there's lots of misogyny on social media
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: is just rife with misogyny. People are constantly bashing women
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: and ninety percent of the time. When you look at
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: the comments that they're talking about, it's recognition that you're
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: not noticing your own personal agency as a woman. If
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: you blame men for you conceiving a child during consensual
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: sex with a man you chose to have sex with
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: and then didn't use sufficient birth control with, and then
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: choosing abortion when you didn't have to, right, blaming men
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: for that is bullshit. But telling women recognize your own
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: agency's misogyny.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, to go back to the seven years in hell case,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 7: just for one second, I have one question, So could
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: you could the store not have trespassed her from the
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 7: premises and then if she came back, called and had
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 7: her arrested.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: If she had not had the support of the Artemis
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Center for Abused Women, the store would have trespassed her.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: But because she was working with the Artemis Center for
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Abused Women, the store, the corporation, everybody was afraid as
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: they would do for discrimination. Oh my, she wasn't allowed
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: to go in there. That's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: So it's a difficult thing. Even people that are sympathetic
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: to men, if they're in a situation like that, you know,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: and for me, it was it was difficult because I
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: mean I worked there, I continued to work there. I
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: worked there from twentousand and six twenty twelve. And during
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: the time that I was working there, this vexatious litigant
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: was trying to find out who I was and where
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I lived because I was one of his witnesses, So
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: she was trying to get my home address information. She
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: actually submitted a demand in near the end of the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: case asking for our ven numbers from our vehicles. What
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: vehicle that this guy rode around in. It was really
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: off the rails. Oh shit, yeah, like stuff that she's
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: not legally allowed to ask for she asked for is
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: really bad. And so, like I said, one of these
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: days we'll read through that because the roller coaster of
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: what that story is. This is the legal environment created
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: by Joseph Biden's baby, the Violence Against Women Act. Mm hm,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: that law facilitated all of that shit, right, But you
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: have poor mental health if you criticize women for behaving
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: that way, he goes on to say, blame or she
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: goes on to say, but blaming misogyny on poor mental
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: health provides a cover for their hatred, which most people
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: with mental health problems, don't share. Okay, you know you're right,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: most crazy people are also guyinocentric. I'll accept that one.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Most crazy people are also guyinocentric. Therefore, if there is,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: I still have not found an example of just flat
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: out hatred for women, right, not an educated response to
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: women's behavior that looks like hatred, but just disdain for
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: women on a basis that you know they're women. Hatred
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: for women just because they're women, not because they have
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: no agency, not because they're assholes, but just because they
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: have a vagina. Many of the two point three million
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: people abusing women just in England and Wales guys may
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: have or mental health, but it's difficult to assert they do.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's meters. I just can't believe there's two point
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: three million people abusing women in England and Wales. I don't.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's two point three million people abusing
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: women in the United States.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: It's mostly men that get abused.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: Yep, well kinda I disagree with you? Now what what
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: I have just committed against women and girls?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Have you to need people to disagree with me or
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: I can't sharpen my debate skills?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, have you seen my Twitter feed?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I absolutely love your Twitter feed. Yeah. And and
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: I still don't consider you a real misogynist. Holding women
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: accountable for women's choices is beneficial to women. You don't
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: do beneficial things for people you hate, she goes on.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: And there is agency in the choice to direct their
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: negative feelings that women see. This is it if fist
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: feminists think that you're supposed to be nice to women
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: all the time, right, supposed to treat women in a shiny,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: happy people holding hands kind of.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Way, unless you want to actually procreate with us, in
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: which case treat us like shit. Good luck figuring that shit.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Out, yep.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Well, and and then you also have to be the
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: right guy, and he has to have the right looks
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: and enough money. Otherwise, if you're trying to procreate, and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: and you even so much as say, how do you
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: do in the most polite manner possible, even with a
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: little bow and a flourish, you're a creep And she's
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: going to call the cops, and you need to get
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: the fuck away before you get arrested.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: And that's why I'm glad I'm invisible.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: It is helpful to be invisible. Invisible when people are
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: trying to get you arrested with some more super chows.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre sent me the Freedom Tunes thing. I don't
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: how long is this. I don't know if it's fair
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: to play the whole thing, but let's see here. We'll
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: open it. I'm gonna copy it because it might not
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: open in the correct window. I have like eight windows
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of different tabs open on my computer
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: that I didn't close before the show, and I'm not
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: going to I'm gonna plause it for a second and
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: see if I can find I think this is like
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: the most watched part of it. The platform do to
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: have a more masculine sensibility, exactly.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: Now you're on board.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Negatory. I told you, oh, okay, what about this one?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that this doesn't appeal to me either. See I
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: told you take that's a guy with a ball kick machine.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Don't love it. You want a more revolutionary approach. So
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: that's the The whole sketches is uh just a minute
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: or is a sorry three three minutes forty seconds long?
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna play the whole thing because if
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: you want to watch it, you should go to their channel.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I do remember this. This is one that
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I have seen and it's pretty muchmanism, and it's salesmanship
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: in a nutshell. They do market feminism pretty much that way.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: So official Reverse Traditionalism channel on YouTube gave us twenty
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: dollars and said, the average man thinks his problems are
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: actually are mostly relationship related, as if that says nothing
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: about how women view men. The average woman thinks her
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: problems actually are mostly caused by men, as if that
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: also says nothing about how women view men. And yeah,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: that's true because women don't exercise their personal agency. And
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: it's easy to get infected with this too. And there's
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: something I tell periodically about that happened to me while
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I was working at that gas station. So women from
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Artemis House, we're in and out of that gas station
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: a lot, partly because of the vexatious litigant situation. She
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: had told them, you know, oh, he works there, he
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: works there. Art of this this house is the actual
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: shelter that the Artemis Center runs for women. And while
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: all this was going on, I was teaching photography at
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Wright State University's late campus in Salina, So I was
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: driving eighty miles every Monday going up dropping my son
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: off with my parents, teaching the class while he had
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: a visit with Grandma and grandpa because they desperately wanted
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: to see him and that was an opportunity, and then
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: you know, picking him up going home, and the victim
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: in the vexatious litigation case his good wife, who I
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: called Bridget in the write above it. She took my
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: class because she was actually getting her teaching degree at
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: the time, and so she rode with me. We were
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: riding up there together and all of a sudden, she's like,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: I hear a noise. I had run over what I
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: thought it was a piece of cardboard on the road,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure to this day that it was,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: but I thought it might have been a piece of metal.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: When I realized what she was hearing was metal dragging,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: And it turned out that the exhaust had rusted out
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: and it was dragging. But at the time I didn't
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: know that. What I did know was that I had
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: to look and make sure that there wasn't damage. So
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: I pulled over and I got out, and I set
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: my keys down, and then I thought, well, that was dumb,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: and I reached in to get my keys and a
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: semi truck drove by at about the same time, and
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: the wind from the semi going past the stop vehicle
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: at sixty five miles an hour or more pulled the
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: door and then it hit its the farthest it could
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: be pulled, and it slams shut. And as as this
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: is happening, I yanked. I yanked my hand back and
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: just barely didn't get all the way out. So my thumb,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: my right thumb was caught in the door and it
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: shut all the way on my thumb and it latched
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: and then it botto locked, which that van didn't even do,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: but it did at that time. That really sucked. Well.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: I had a spare key in my right hand pocket
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm yelling, you know the whole time, like fuck, yeah,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: but you can you can. You could quote tweet that
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: or quote that. Fuck the whole time as I'm trying
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: to reach around with my left hand into my moving
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: right pocket because my coat was open. Didn't feel a
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: thing because my thumb was slammed shut in the door.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: And finally get that out, unlock the door, let my
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: thumb out, and got my keys, went back, discovered the
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: tailpipe problem, found something to tie it up with, drove
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: to the class, taught my class with my thumb in
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: a glass of ice, and went home and didn't think
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: anything of it until maybe two or three days later
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: when I got the hives from something and went to
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: the doctor and he's like, what's wrong with your thumb?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: After we'd discussed the hives, and he gives me one
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: of the worst experiences of my life, which is a
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: steroid that makes you way way up in you know,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: nervousness and stuff. And I'm like, well, this is what happened,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: and he he goes, well, let's just get an X ray.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to get an X ray. It was just,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: you know, a stupid accident. Turns out I had split
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: the tip of the bone back like most of a centimeter,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: and so he put it in a splint. So a
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: couple days after that, I'm at work at the gas station.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: I was the chief cook and bottle washer cook, meaning
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: that I have assembled pre cooked food, not actual cooking,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: and then I heated it up for presentation. But I
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: also made coffee. So I'm making coffee. I've got a
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: splint on the thumb of my good hand, so I'm
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: using my right forefinger as my thumb and handling everything
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: that way. And this lady comes up. She sees me
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: doing all this, and I I've broken enough fingers doing
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: stupid shit that I've gotten pretty adept at adapting to
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: not having all of my fingers working in the moment.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: She thought that was weird and started grilling me about
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: how what did my husband do to me? What did
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: my boyfriend do to me? You know, blah blah blah.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: And when she found out I was married, it was
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: even harsher grilling, and she actually gave me a rough
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: time about telling her no. And when I told her
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: not only did he not do this, but I was
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: eighty miles away from him when it happened, she decided
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: that I was exaggerating because it's not possible that I
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: would have an injury happen when I was that far
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: away from my husband. Women only get injured guys if
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: their husbands do it. Otherwise, we are impervious to all injury,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: and none of us are clumsy. Ever, none of us
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: act without thinking quickly in the moment, what will happen
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: if I do this? And none of us ever have
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: bad luck. Only when our husbands and boyfriends decide to
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: beat on us, Do we get broken thumbs? We certainly
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: can't shut it in the car door, right. And I
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: actually had to complain that this woman was harassing me
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: to get the manager to show her away. She tried
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: to care in her way into getting me written up
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: for refusing to talk to her. This is the kind
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: of pressure that women face every day. Are you sure
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: it's not his fault? Are you remembering it right? Are
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: you covering for somebody who hurt you? I don't believe
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: your denial. If you said he beat you, I'd believe you.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: But if you say he didn't, I don't believe that.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: That is what we face every single day. Not necessarily
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: on that level, but there is message after message after
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: message after message. They had a billboard up down the
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: street from my apartment for a while that made it
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: out like abuse is always male perpetrated, and you know,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: women are always victims, And it was it was really
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: upsetting to have to drive by that on the way
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: home every day, but it wasn't to the degree that,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: like I was upset for more than five minutes. I'm
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: kind of used to how bad that is. But they
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: advertise in women's bathrooms. I posted a picture on x
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: not too long ago. I was in a bathroom in
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: a location I hadn't even expected to be in that
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: morning until I got there, and there was a poster. Right,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: And then you also have the men or pigs. Men
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: are slobs, men are annoying, men are bad housekeepers, men
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: are bad parents, Men or this, men are that. Those
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: messages are in every bit of entertainment we have. They're
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: in our music, They're in the advertisements that we see
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: for things that have absolutely nothing to do with gender issues.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: You can't buy laundry detergent or breakfast cereal without getting
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: a message about how incompetent men are, or how men
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: owe deference to women, or how women are smarter than
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: men or better than men in some way or another,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: and and and how we should be policing men.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: That is that is a woman's world. That is what
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: we walk around in all the time. That is where
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: we where we have to get all of our information.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: And if a woman doesn't resist that actively all the time,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: she will develop some degree of missonry. And she'll express
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: that missionry online anywhere from in the form of stupid jokes,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: which you know because It used to go both ways.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: It used to be no big deal, but now it's
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: only allowed to go one way, right to out and
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: out statements of hatred, which they'll play off as stupid
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: jokes if you get upset about them and then call
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: you over sensitive. But don't you dare make the same
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: stupid kind of jokes about women. But there is agency
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: in the choice for men to direct their negative feelings
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: at women. And how dare you even if the reason
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: is because you were raped by one or one put
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: you through seven years of hell in the court system
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: and made it so that you can never hold a
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: job again for the rest of your life. Let's see
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: we got Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and said,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: I must add that it is probably for the better
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: that the kind of woman who insists on abortion access
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: or repeatedly seeks abortion probably shouldn't ever become a mother.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: She is the type who would likely resent the child
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: and probably would abuse the child too. So historically we
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: had a different way of handling that Boomers where I
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: think with the last generation that did this, But there
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: were two different things that were very different for Boomers
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: than Gen xers when they were in high school. And
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: the first one was we did not encourage girls to
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: fuck everything that moved or pieces of plastic or whatnot.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: We mainly right, the society mainly encouraged girls to be
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: picky about who they fucked and the circumstances under which
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: they allowed that to happen, to not just to not
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: just be innocent.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just about you you can't enjoy sex, you
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: can't enjoy your your femininity, and you can't enjoy male company.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: It was about value yourself and your reproductive power enough
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: to limit how you are using it. Value your sexual
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: power enough to guard it carefully, keep it as a treasure,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: not something that you just give away at the drop
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: of a hat. So there were fewer unwed pregnancies, There
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: were fewer women conceiving when they didn't want to be parents.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: There were fewer girls conceiving when they didn't want to
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: be parents. That was the first thing. And the second
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: thing was that the family would support and their community
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: to a degree, would support their decision if they did
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: get pregnant. They would support their decision to marry the
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: father of the child and raise the child together, or
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: they would support their decision to not marry the father
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: of the child and to raise the child by themselves
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: or to put the child up for adoption. And these
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: were things that if you know, the family helped the
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: couple get married. They had aunts and cousins and siblings,
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  Speaker 1: their parents that they would you know, they would help
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  Speaker 1: with bills, they would help with cleaning, they would help with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, making sure that the young mom understood what
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  Speaker 1: she was doing in child rearing, and that the young
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  Speaker 1: father was supported in the hardship of starting work when
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  Speaker 1: he would have been normally maybe going out for the
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  Speaker 1: baseball team. And then they would if if the mom
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  Speaker 1: and the dad didn't get married, there was this there
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  Speaker 1: was this organization that you've probably heard of from the
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  Speaker 1: Monopoly game called the Community Chest funded various initiatives within
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  Speaker 1: your community and in many communities. One of the initiatives
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  Speaker 1: was similar to a women's shelter, but not an abuse shelter.
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  Speaker 1: It was for pregnant women. They would go and stay there,
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  Speaker 1: they would have support while they were there, and they'd
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  Speaker 1: give birth to their babies while they were living there,
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  Speaker 1: go into their hospital and give birth. They would get
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  Speaker 1: an education both in parenting and in the type of
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  Speaker 1: work that they could do without losing the ability to
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  Speaker 1: parent their child. Like there are things like secretary work
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  Speaker 1: that you can do. Even back then, you could do
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it from home or workplaces might actually
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  Speaker 1: allow you to bring a baby in. It wasn't always
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  Speaker 1: that way, right, It wasn't every single woman in every
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  Speaker 1: single situation they could. They'd even help them find child
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  Speaker 1: care if that wasn't the circumstance. So the community supported
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  Speaker 1: women in uh making sure that they were able to
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  Speaker 1: give birth, raise their kid, and and work and not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily be like helpless in that situation. And if they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go away and have the baby, give the
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  Speaker 1: baby up for adoption and then come back, they could
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  Speaker 1: do that too, And some women's families made them do that, right,
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  Speaker 1: but it but it was it was also something that women,
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  Speaker 1: young women did by choice. So essentially you didn't need
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  Speaker 1: abortion to solve this problem. You just needed a community
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  Speaker 1: that that actually would rally around circumstances where somebody had
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  Speaker 1: made a bad choice, but you didn't want it to
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  Speaker 1: ruin the kid's life. And that kind of welfare kind
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  Speaker 1: of killed that because you know, people think, well, we're
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  Speaker 1: getting taxed for it. It's covering their expenses. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have to do anything else. So Richard Berre also gave
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  Speaker 1: us five dollars and said, so that video with the
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  Speaker 1: two women at the cliff edge with their hair sticking
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  Speaker 1: out in all directions were perfectly fine because no man
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  Speaker 1: was in the immediate vicinity, got it? Yes, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: Apparently there's no man around, and there's they can't blame
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  Speaker 1: a man, then there can't be a problem. Let's see,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I missed any super chats. I
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  Speaker 1: don't see one, but I'm scrolling all the way back
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  Speaker 1: as far as I can go toward the beginning, just
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  Speaker 1: to make sure no super chats on YouTube. We have
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  Speaker 1: a super A Rumble Rant paid Rumble Rant Nova fan
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  Speaker 1: twenty one gave us a dollar and said, at this point,
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  Speaker 1: if men were even half as misogynistic as they claimed
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  Speaker 1: men were, we would be likely we would be more
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  Speaker 1: likely to take back society from the feminists. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: would go so far as to say if men were
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  Speaker 1: actually a full half as misogynistic as feminists believed that
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  Speaker 1: men were, women would live in camps, right, They would
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  Speaker 1: be similar to the types of camps that the Soviets
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  Speaker 1: made to house dissenters. Right, we would be living in goolegs.
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  Speaker 1: If men were that misogynistic, they would separate women from
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  Speaker 1: men and children, and as soon as a girl hit puberty,
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  Speaker 1: she'd go into one of those camps to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that men didn't have to deal with women, and only
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  Speaker 1: women who were decent enough toward men to be tolerable
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  Speaker 1: would be allowed to come out for breeding purposes. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's the way that feminists talk about men. They talk
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  Speaker 1: about men as if men were that bad, well twice
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  Speaker 1: that bad, really, and if men were half as bad
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  Speaker 1: as feminists say they are, that's what would be going on.
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  Speaker 1: But instead they openly allow women to openly talk about
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  Speaker 1: putting men in those kind of camps. They allow women
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  Speaker 1: to openly talk about mandatory vas ectomies and and putting
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  Speaker 1: men in chastity belts, talk about blaming men for abortion
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  Speaker 1: and you know, blaming men for anything else that women do. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it's bullshit, It's all bullshit. But that's the way it is.
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  Speaker 1: I think we will. We'll read this next paragraph and
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  Speaker 1: then we'll stop and I'll read it again next week. Nevertheless,
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  Speaker 1: Cosselo says men need to be able to speak freely
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  Speaker 1: about these negative feelings in order to address them. It's
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  Speaker 1: all men talk about your feelings, he says. But then
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  Speaker 1: when men's express anger and frustration with their lives, it's dismissed.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if you're going into therapy and you just feel
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  Speaker 1: like you're hanging on by a thread, and you're told
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  Speaker 1: something about your toxic masculinity and your male privilege, I
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  Speaker 1: think I just walk out, And I think he has
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  Speaker 1: a point, right men. Men are supposed to talk about
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  Speaker 1: their feelings, but not if they're upset at not being
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  Speaker 1: allowed to see their children. Men are supposed to talk
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  Speaker 1: about their problems, but not if their problem was that
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  Speaker 1: a woman raped them and gave them an STI. And
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  Speaker 1: men are supposed to talk about things that they want changed,
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  Speaker 1: but not if they want fair treatment in court when
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  Speaker 1: they're in conflict with a woman. And men are supposed
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  Speaker 1: to talk about what's bothering them, but not if it's
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  Speaker 1: how women treat them, they're radical if they do that.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody else got any last word on the subject, All right,
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  Speaker 1: Then with that, I will call the show. Thanks everybody
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  Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks to all my co hosts for going
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  Speaker 1: over this tripe with me. We still have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit to go. We didn't get very far tonight, but
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  Speaker 1: that's okay because we had other things to talk about too.
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  Speaker 1: And thanks again Brian for working in the background and
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  Speaker 1: making HBr talk happen and goodnight all.
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