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Checking In and Crashing Out with Grant Ellis · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I'm here today. I'm excited to be here. It's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be a big interview. I'm gonna be having a conversation
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  Speaker 3: that I can promise you will be very interesting. My
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  Speaker 3: guest is someone who made waves and Bachelor Nation and
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  Speaker 3: then continued to keep us on edge and at times
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  Speaker 3: perplexed us after his time on the show. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: talk about his breakup, his celibacy, and more Bachelor to
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor content. Please welcome Grant Ellis to the Almost Famous Podcast. Grant,
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  Speaker 3: we have a lot to talk about today. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you saw. You're obviously in Los Angeles right now.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about some of the stuff you're
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  Speaker 3: up to in LA. But we just had my co host, Ashley,
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  Speaker 3: had an interview with Letia just a few days ago.
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  Speaker 2: She told us.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the behind the scenes to your season. It's
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  Speaker 3: only fair that we also get your perspective on some
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  Speaker 3: of the things that we.
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  Speaker 2: Talked about with her.
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  Speaker 3: But before we get started, Grant, welcome to the Listener's podcast.
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  Speaker 4: And you guys are having me have Yeah, I saw
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  Speaker 4: the podcast with Latia, and I would love to give
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  Speaker 4: you my perspective because obviously it's one side to the
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  Speaker 4: to the equation, but I would love to Yeah, I would.
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  Speaker 5: Love to dive in. Thanks for having me, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Before we kind of get into the meat of this,
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  Speaker 3: there's so many things I want to talk to you about.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about this this deal
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  Speaker 3: that we've seen you talk promoting called the Reality Games.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell us what this is?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just one of my really good friends has
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  Speaker 4: a pretty big agency out here and he's hosting The
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  Speaker 4: Reality Games. Is some some influencers, some of the top
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  Speaker 4: influences in the space, from some guys from Love Island,
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  Speaker 4: some people I would be the representation from Bachelor Nation
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  Speaker 4: and it's we're team captain's and we're hosting like a combine.
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  Speaker 4: Is gonna be dodgeball, basketball football for a prize, and
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  Speaker 4: it's all going to be streamed on Twitch. So it's
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  Speaker 4: a good way to to reach a new audience, to
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  Speaker 4: reach the younger audience and just send a positive, positive message.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I also saw it's going to be held in
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  Speaker 3: the professional soccer stadium there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how many people will be there live I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Not sure how many people are gonna be there, but
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  Speaker 4: it is. We're gonna We're inviting one hundred kids. It's
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  Speaker 4: the largest toy drive in America, so there's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: a lot of kids there. There's gonna be a lot
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  Speaker 4: of family, a lot of friends, and it's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: streamed live on the internet.
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  Speaker 5: So it's gonna be it's a it's a pretty cool event.
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  Speaker 2: When's it taking place?
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  Speaker 5: December thirteenth is the date.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a you have a little bit of time.
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  Speaker 3: Who else in Bachelor Nation is going to be a
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  Speaker 3: part of it?
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  Speaker 4: I know my friend Brandon Jones actually drafted him from
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  Speaker 4: I think he was from Michelle season.
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  Speaker 5: But that's gonna be really it from Bachelor Nation.
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  Speaker 4: We're kind of like, you know, we got a couple
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  Speaker 4: people in Bachlin Nation, a couple people in Love Island,
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  Speaker 4: a cop from a different other reality shows.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, cool.
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  Speaker 3: So if somebody wants to watch this, twitch would be
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  Speaker 3: the best place, best platform to tune in December thirteenth.
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  Speaker 3: You said it will be live watching some of your
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  Speaker 3: favorite people from Love Island. Dat donations some of the
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  Speaker 3: other shows compete for the reality Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a fair way to say it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's the first it's the first one.
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  Speaker 4: So we're hoping to get it off with a good
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  Speaker 4: start and also helping me promoting get my message out
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  Speaker 4: there on my Twitch. So yeah, December thirteenth, it'll be
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  Speaker 4: live and it'll be it'll be a good show.
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  Speaker 5: Awesome.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's dive into some of the things that
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  Speaker 3: we want to hear from you about Grant. As I mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: we had a Latie on the podcast. The episode has
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  Speaker 3: been listened by many at this point. One of the
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  Speaker 3: things she said that I think stood out to the
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  Speaker 3: listeners was that she said that you told her and
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  Speaker 3: assured her that she was the one, which is why
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  Speaker 3: the breakup felt so shocking to her. It's why it
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  Speaker 3: felt watching it back that she was so surprised. But
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  Speaker 3: you recently said on a podcast that you didn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: You said you were trying to talk through the process
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  Speaker 3: with multiple women, that you never assured Latia that she
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  Speaker 3: was the one.
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  Speaker 2: So who is telling the truth?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, listen.
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  Speaker 4: Since the airing of the show, I think, obviously I
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  Speaker 4: understand Latia's perspective. I understand that she was her, but
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  Speaker 4: she said a lot of things that I didn't say.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, she also said that I told people that
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  Speaker 4: I slept with Juliana. She went on a podcast, so
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  Speaker 4: she said a lot of things that I didn't say.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, they're all behind camera, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's allowed to have their opinion, our perspective. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't think with me being a lead and me being
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  Speaker 4: miked up, and you know, when you sign a contract
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  Speaker 4: be the lead, they could very easy dependent on what
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  Speaker 4: can get more views or what's good, they could very editing,
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  Speaker 4: can very easily make you the very of your own season,
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  Speaker 4: or or it could be a great love story. So
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  Speaker 4: when I was doing the show, I was very careful
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  Speaker 4: about what I said. And obviously words are misconstrue, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it would be very smart of me
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  Speaker 4: to sit there and be miked up and be telling
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  Speaker 4: somebody that they're my person when I'm dating, you know,
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  Speaker 4: twenty six twenty five with the woman. Now, what I
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  Speaker 4: did tell her, I did tell her I loved her
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  Speaker 4: one hundred percent because I did, and I was in
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  Speaker 4: my heart was in a tough place, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: put my all into it, and yeah, that's that you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't really have much to speak on it, and
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  Speaker 4: she's allowed to feel how she feels.
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  Speaker 5: But I will say that's not true.
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  Speaker 4: And there's the reason why everything is up for interpretation
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  Speaker 4: is off camera. I never told her I said things
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  Speaker 4: like I'm falling for you. I did fell I fell
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  Speaker 4: in love with her, but ultimately, you know, I realized
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  Speaker 4: that she wasn't my.
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  Speaker 5: Person, and there was a lot of external factors. You know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that she was the most honest with
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  Speaker 4: me either, you know. So that's that, and it's okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That's in the past, and
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  Speaker 4: it's okay. I mean, I don't really appreciate some of
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  Speaker 4: the things, but I understand her hurt, and I understand
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  Speaker 4: where she's coming from, and she's a great human and
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure she doesn't mean any any mal intent.
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  Speaker 5: So that's all I have to say on that.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything if?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she was obviously just on the show, she
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  Speaker 3: listens to the podcast. I'm assuming she's going to listen
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  Speaker 3: to this. What would you want to say to her?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I can relate with you with the
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  Speaker 3: difficulty of processing the last few weeks of the experience
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  Speaker 3: trying to navigate and say the appropriate things and the
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  Speaker 3: right things. I've never shied away from the things I said.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not like proud of them. I don't think it
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  Speaker 3: was helpful, but I you know, it happened, good, bad
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  Speaker 3: and different. So if she's listening to this and you
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  Speaker 3: get a chance to speak to her through a show,
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  Speaker 3: what would you want to tell her?
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  Speaker 4: I would just first of all, I would just apologize, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I know how hard of a situation it is to
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  Speaker 4: be to be broken up with, and I like I've
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  Speaker 4: been through that.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't mean for things to go that way.
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  Speaker 4: It was a difficult choice, but I had to. I
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  Speaker 4: had to go with my heart, and I tried to
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  Speaker 4: be the whole season. I tried to be as upstanding
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  Speaker 4: and as I could now, whether however people want to
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  Speaker 4: view me or ever words got misstrewed. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think you know. Me and Latia had a very
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  Speaker 4: strong connection, you know what I'm saying. We we even
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  Speaker 4: like we had nicknames for each other, even tho as corny.
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  Speaker 4: I genuinely, I genuinely love Latia. But to say that
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  Speaker 4: when I'm dating other people in my connections were just
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  Speaker 4: as strong to say that I was promising somebody the
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  Speaker 4: whole time. That makes me look like a really you know,
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  Speaker 4: if that's true, then I'm a piece.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a really bad person.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think I went in there with with
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  Speaker 4: those intentions at all.
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  Speaker 5: I think I went in there trying to find my partner.
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  Speaker 5: I had feelings.
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  Speaker 4: I told her how I felt, but I didn't make
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  Speaker 4: any promises to anybody, and I think that's something that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's all I really have to say, And if she's listening,
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  Speaker 4: I would just say I'm sorry for how you feel,
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  Speaker 4: and I hope that you're doing okay.
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  Speaker 3: The whole experience is wild, and obviously the end, the
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  Speaker 3: last few weeks get more difficult. Then really you can
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  Speaker 3: prepare yourself for or imagine what what were some of
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  Speaker 3: the factors that came down to that final decision for you?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think the audience and this is one
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  Speaker 3: of the difficulties with the Bachelor in general as they
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  Speaker 3: follow along for this season. It all leads up to
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  Speaker 3: the very end, and then we don't get a lot
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  Speaker 3: of like post storytelling. Right, your breakup happened pretty quickly, right,
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  Speaker 3: So what were some of the factors that made you
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  Speaker 3: so confident that Latia wasn't the one you wanted to
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  Speaker 3: choose at the end, and you ended up going and
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  Speaker 3: asking Juliana.
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  Speaker 4: Well, honestly, you know my confidence, I just see I
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  Speaker 4: really struggled with there at the end in my decision.
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  Speaker 4: But I ultimately went with who I felt I could
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  Speaker 4: relate to more in terms of and I'm still learning
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  Speaker 4: as a human.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I've been in two serious relationships.
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  Speaker 4: I went with who I felt most comfortable with in
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  Speaker 4: my story and you know, the family dynamic and you know,
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  Speaker 4: me being on the East Coast and Giuliana being from
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  Speaker 4: the East Coast, and how comfortable I felt with her
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  Speaker 4: family and how much I related to her story. And
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  Speaker 4: I went with somebody I feel like, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: we laid down and talked about our struggles of our life,
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  Speaker 4: I felt like I would. I went with somebody that
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  Speaker 4: was able to understand anymore. That's at least that's how
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  Speaker 4: it felt on the show. After the show, obviously things
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  Speaker 4: were not. You know, it's partly me, partly her things
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  Speaker 4: were not. We're not the most compatible, and that's okay,
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  Speaker 4: but that led to my stays and then also too,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't really know, you know, by the time I
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  Speaker 4: had already told Latilla that I that I there was
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  Speaker 4: an instance where we were sitting on the couch and
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  Speaker 4: you know, we were talking and we were talking and
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  Speaker 4: you know, we had already expressed certain feelings to each
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  Speaker 4: other and how how we felt, and you know, I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't aware of the situation of I don't know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know a lot about the Mormon religion. So that
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  Speaker 4: was another wrench that kind of threw me off a
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  Speaker 4: little bit. And you know, if I was told that
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  Speaker 4: from day one or night one, I would know everything.
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  Speaker 4: I was told that, you know, right before hometown. So
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  Speaker 4: and I had already been a deep so it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: for me to be like, oh, well this person, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they told me this, and now no, I still want
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  Speaker 4: my feelings. I still went head on and ultimately I
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  Speaker 4: just decided what was the most was the best decision
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  Speaker 4: for me, and that's all I can do.
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  Speaker 3: So would you say, I mean, I think you said
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  Speaker 3: it on a show previously that Letia telling you about
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  Speaker 3: her Mormon religion play a factor in your decision.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say that's true?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was true.
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  Speaker 2: It definitely.
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  Speaker 4: It definitely caused me hesitancy when you're when you're getting
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  Speaker 4: engaged and you want to get to know a person,
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  Speaker 4: that is something that really could you know, is that
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  Speaker 4: is that a lifestyle that I want to you know,
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  Speaker 4: raise my kids?
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  Speaker 5: There's that a lifestyle that I want to you know,
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  Speaker 5: be involved in.
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  Speaker 4: And it did play a factor, but it wasn't my
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  Speaker 4: ultimate ultimate deciding factor because when she told me that,
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  Speaker 4: I still I already had feelings and I still wanted
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  Speaker 4: to make things work. Ultimately, I decided a couple other
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  Speaker 4: factors that happened later on the show that and as
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  Speaker 4: my relationship with Juliana progressed, I decided that was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: my person now. Like I said, I was already in
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  Speaker 4: pretty deep at that moment, So it wasn't a situation
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  Speaker 4: where I knew who my final pick was going into.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I was still very much conflicted. So I
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  Speaker 4: guess that made me seem on shore. But it's like
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  Speaker 4: not every day that you get to date twenty six
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  Speaker 4: people and you have to get engaged in and in
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  Speaker 4: the shorter season that I had, so it was just a.
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  Speaker 5: Little a little you know, it's just a little difficult,
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  Speaker 5: that's all.
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  Speaker 2: It's very difficult.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, uh, and I think you're You're fair
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  Speaker 3: to say that, Yes, dating in this environment and trying
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  Speaker 3: to figure out how to do it well is not
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  Speaker 3: only untraditional, it's uncommon and there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people that can relate to it. You know, going into this,
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  Speaker 3: there's a ton of rumors kind of coming out of
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  Speaker 3: your season about how you ended up making that final decision.
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  Speaker 3: One of them that got a lot of headaway was
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  Speaker 3: a coin flip. It came from an internal source on
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  Speaker 3: the show that said you made a coin flip to
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  Speaker 3: make your final decision, but we didn't see the coin flip.
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  Speaker 3: Did the coin flip actually exist?
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  Speaker 5: I've never heard a coin flip, you know, there was.
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  Speaker 4: No I wasn't going to decide on who I was
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  Speaker 4: going to engage based on a coin flip.
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  Speaker 5: I sat down, took my time, and I made ultimate decision.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, the deciding factor that helped me was if you guys, see,
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  Speaker 4: my dad came back and we had to talk prior
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  Speaker 4: to him leap prior to him leaving Dominican Public. So
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  Speaker 4: that was one of the deciding factors that ultimately I
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  Speaker 4: went based off of what I told him, what he
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  Speaker 4: told me, and then obviously I struggled at the end,
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  Speaker 4: but ultimately that was my my my push over the edge.
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  Speaker 4: What I remember what he told me?
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  Speaker 3: Did you feel well prepared to be the Bachelor? You know,
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  Speaker 3: obviously this is a small group of people. It's a
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  Speaker 3: fraternity of a few that have been through it before
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  Speaker 3: going into the season. Did you did you know what
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  Speaker 3: to expect? Did you do your due diligence to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that you're ready for the roller coaster ride that
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  Speaker 3: is this show?
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  Speaker 5: No, I didn't do any to do.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a person that's very prepared in my work and
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  Speaker 4: things that I do. But when it comes to reality TV,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know there was really any preparation. I just
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  Speaker 4: went in and I was like, I gonna be myself.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to give him my all and approach approach
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  Speaker 4: the situation. I though, I approach life and that's what
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  Speaker 4: I did. And reality TV is a it's a little
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  Speaker 4: bit weird, you know, because everybody has their opinions, just
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  Speaker 4: like in life. And I did the best that I
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  Speaker 4: could and that's just that's what it was. But to
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  Speaker 4: say prepared, I didn't know there was any way that
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  Speaker 4: you could prepare to be a Bachelor. I did study.
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  Speaker 4: I watched Joey's season, but you know, me and Joey
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  Speaker 4: are two different people, so that's like he was the
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  Speaker 4: season before mine.
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  Speaker 5: So no, I didn't. I just went in there and
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna be myself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, there's this world in which it
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  Speaker 3: happens more and more where people kind of call each other.
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  Speaker 3: I remember back in my time it was Sean Loh
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  Speaker 3: and Chris Souls and Mesnik Jason Mesnick. I called and
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  Speaker 3: I was just like, Hey, you guys are now out
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  Speaker 3: of this deal. You've been through this thing. What can
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  Speaker 3: I expect out of this? Like what are some of
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  Speaker 3: the things that maybe I wouldn't foresee coming that I
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  Speaker 3: can expect? And that helped me a lot because it
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  Speaker 3: helps you know that other other people have been there,
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  Speaker 3: and they gave me a lot of insight into this
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  Speaker 3: roller coaster ride. But you know, I think I got
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  Speaker 3: lucky because they also brought those guys on the show
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  Speaker 3: when I was there, and so they were able to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, pour into me a little bit. Letia obviously
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  Speaker 3: was a huge conversation piece when it comes to this season.
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  Speaker 3: She really kind of came off of this show as
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  Speaker 3: one of those. I think the word people are using
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  Speaker 3: kind of og kind of contestants where people she'll be memorable,
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  Speaker 3: she'll do great things with it. But she wasn't your
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  Speaker 3: final choice. Juliana was. You know, when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: Juliana relationship, it was exciting I think for the audience
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  Speaker 3: to see the two of you together. I remember there
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  Speaker 3: being a lot of support for the two of you together,
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  Speaker 3: but it did end quickly. Who ended the relationship so
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  Speaker 3: we had you know.
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  Speaker 5: There was a lot of things that were going on.
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  Speaker 4: I think Juliana is somebody who was really rooted in
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  Speaker 4: her family and like I was willing to move to Boston.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we didn't spend a lot of quality to
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  Speaker 4: it was just it was a situation where I think,
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  Speaker 4: coming off the show, a lot of the outside noise
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  Speaker 4: that happened, all the all the criticism we were getting,
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  Speaker 4: all the feedback we were getting left and right, I
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: think it kind of bled into our relationship and we
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: you know, when things happened like that, we didn't really
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: rely on each other as much to get through it.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: You know, she she had her family, I had.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I was kind of relying on it, you know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: to myself and I think that that that bled into
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: our relationship. I don't think it was a lack of
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: anybody being ready. I think Julian's very ready for a relationship.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I think everybody that entered that show went in there
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: with the right intentions. Now there's so many outside factors
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: and we just we just couldn't we couldn't get through it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I remember on our trip before a rub but we
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: talked and we sat down, were like, listen, like, things
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: are not working.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: They're not working.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I was at her, I was at her apartment, and
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: we just sat down and they just we could tell
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: we weren't on the same page.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: But we went to Aruba and her obviously.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Her family came with her, and I was hoping that
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: we would get a little more alone time, but we
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: weren't able to. And even there, I was like, you know,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: I'm willing to try to make things work. But I
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: praised her because you know, her intuition. She saw that
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: things weren't going the way she wanted and she wanted
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: to she wanted to move forward. So ultimately we decided,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: but it was her final decision because I was still
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: willing to try.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: To make things work.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: You know, if it comes up like that.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I think that one of the moments that fans and
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard it and felt it, you went
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: kind of your response was you came on Instagram and
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you said you were not heartbroken by this breakup? Is
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: the is the exact quote I have here. I think
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: it came off a little cold to the audience, especially
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: as I said this, the post storytelling is not something
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: that we get from the show, and so the only
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: thing we know about your relationship is you're together and
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: then you break up and you're not heartbroken.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Do you can you elaborate on that statement a little bit?
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: It did come off cold or that something happened more
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: than just two of you disagreeing to not you know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: or agreeing to not make things work.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that's kind of.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Like the defense mechanism that I have sometimes, you know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the way that I grew up and you know kind
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: of where I'm from. I don't think a lot of
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: people can relate to that and bachlorination audience where it's
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: like if something that's something that hurts you, you kind
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: of just shrug it off and you move forward. And
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: that's something that I kind of do, which I'm working
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: on that to express how I feel in the moment,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: and like when it comes to things that hurt me,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: when it comes to things that make me feel good
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: or happiness or love, I expressed that I wear my
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: heart on my sleep, but when it comes to things
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: that cause me pain or hurt, I kind of shrug
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: it off and act like it doesn't bother me as
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: much as it does.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: So that's the And then when.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: You're the lead, it's like everything you're said, obviously people
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: took that the wrong way, but it really wasn't. Obviously
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: I was hurt, you know, I was engaged. We had
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: broken up. I was trying to make it work and
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: it's a very public breakup. So me saying that it
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: doesn't bother me obviously probably wasn't the right move.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: But it's something I'm working on.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: But yeah, this is like a defense mechanism for me,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: kind of just saying, ah, like I'm not heart broken.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: It isn't it, But really you're hurt, you know what
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: I'm saying. That's just that's what it was for me.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Well, the cool part about this world is you sometimes
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: do get do overs because news cycles move quickly, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: then you get to come back on shows like this
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that have you know, a large portion of the fan
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: base that listens. If you were to have a do
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: over and jump on social media again right after the breakup,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: what would you have said.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I would have said anything.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know if every I think regardless people, the
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: one thing this experience has taught me is, you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: you can't go wrong with being yourself because people are
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: going to love you or hate you based off of
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: biases they have against you. So with me, I don't think.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe I wouldn't have, you know, crashed out. I was
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: going through a lot, you know, a very public breakup
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: and I kind of spiral a little bit. Plus I
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: was getting so much BackFlash on my season, kind of
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of hate and just for me being myself,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: and I was like okay, And even on the season,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I think I wasn't I could have been even more.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I went in there very reserved, and I think that
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: came across on screen because I'm gonna be real, like.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: I'm a kid, like I'm a grown man.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Obviously, I live I lived in you know NOWRK New Jersey,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: which is one of the worst neighborhoods in New Jersey.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: My father was you know, my father was addicted to drugs.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: And I feel like I went in there very reserved
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: because I was afraid that people would judge me, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: I went in there just very reserved, and I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: that came across on camera instead of me just letting
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: loose and be myself. But at the same time, when
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: you're a lead of color, you can't I know, it's
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: not really talked about as much, but you could be yourself,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: but you're gonna get backlash either way. So I guess
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say without making too much sense,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: is like I could have been more myself, but I'm
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: happy that I was a gentleman during the show, regardless
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: of what people said. I tried to handle situations like
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: a gentleman and I did. I did the best. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: did the best that I could, so I don't have
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: any regrets. But looking back at the show, maybe I
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have crashed out so hard pull show.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's one thing we just didn't
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: see you crashing out. I don't know, if you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you can't really uh share sometimes,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're crashing out. You don't want to
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: share that stuff. It's personal and it's kind of how
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: you need to, you know, navigate it. But I do
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: think because of your lack of vulnerability in that moment
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: and kind of saying things like I'm not heartbroken, people
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: are thought, oh, he's he's doing okay, and it's just cold,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: instead of showing you know what you're really feeling, who
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: you truly are. And as you said, you got backlash
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: from this, and I think every league gets backlash. It's
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: nobody's immune to it. Nobody has been immune to it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Some get more than others and some get it. You know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: sometimes a backlash is more loud than others. How did
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: you process through the criticisms and the backlash? And I
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: remember you commented and it's kind of even hard to
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: bring up because I know this does feel like a
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: loud criticism, but you commented on it where people were
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: blaming you for the ending of the show. And we
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: don't know if the show is going to come back
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: or not. We don't know if the show will have
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: another Bachelor season. I expect it too, But those are
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: big things placed on your shoulders in that moment.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Those are heavy words. So how did you deal with it?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: How are you dealing with it?
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Listen, I've been through a lot worse things in my life. Honestly,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: if you want me to be real, and this is
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: what I told myself, like I'm going.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: To I want you to be real because that's the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: only way things come across good.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't, I really don't really don't give what
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: people say about me at this point in my life.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I know that's very, very shrewd. But you know, if
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: people want to blame me for the ending of the
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: show where they say this.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Is I know myself.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: I know the way I was raised, I know what
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I've been through, and I know my morals and value.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: So people don't understand that, or they don't understand.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Me, or they you know, however things went down, it's
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: just like yo, okay, like I'm glad to take your opinion,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: and you know what I'm saying.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: I'm going to move forward my life.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: You move forward your life, So I'm not gonna I'm
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: not going to try to, you know, appease people or
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: make them see my my viewpoint and excuse me. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: just I really don't. I don't care. I'm not gonna.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna let my mind be consumed by that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Just move forward and move on.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: You know, how has your relationship with social media been
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: transformed then as of recently? I mean, we've we've seen
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: you talk about your faith openly, We've taught you see
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: we've seen you recently talk about your pursuit of celibacy.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Right those are I mean, I I just got back
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: midnight last night from a pastor's conference and a and
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: a gathering. The guy that runs it would be mad
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: if I called it a conference. It's a gathering. As
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: somebody of faith myself it is. It was more of
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: a It was a rock to fall back on, a
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: solid foundation for me through the process of all the
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: trysts and turns. People are gonna throw roses at your feet.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: People are gonna throw stones at your feet, Grant, you
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: got to pick me either up. And so this process
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: afterwards of fame and social media is a wild ride.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: And so I would love to get a perspective on
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: how you are handling it and why you are saying
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the things you're saying publicly talking about your faith is awesome.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Claiming celibacy now for however long that's a big comment
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: that could definitely come back to bite you at some
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: point if that, you know, changes, Yeah, And.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Honestly, man, like I said, I really don't. I really
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: don't like if if people listen, I'm going to live
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: my life. And the reason why I stated that is
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: because I was Celement before the show, which you know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: by choice, by choice, you.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Know, I had been in a seven year relationship and
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: that ended, and I was very hurt, and I decided
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I wasn't going to you know, because when you get
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: physically involved with somebody, it speeds up to things and
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: you could and you know what I'm saying, you could
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: definitely make some wrong move. So I just decided that
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: until I am a celibate, was abstinent. Until I know
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: somebody's my person, or I am in a very committed
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: relationship that's headed towards marriage, I'm not going to be
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: out there looking for a relationship that way, you know.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: So that's something I still stand by.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: And you know, the way that I've the way that
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I've came across on social media or however, you know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I wasn't on social media practice and I'm I'm getting
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: in new lanes where I could truly be myself and
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: be authentic, And you know, I I think that's the
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: beauty of going on a bachelor even though you know
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: my relationship and work, I've met so many great people.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: It's helped me go into a new avenue in my
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: life and I'm grateful for that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: And if I could use kind of my.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Whatever gifts I have to spread a certain message or
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: be myself and be a positive impact, that's kind of
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: like what I what I want to do.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: You brought up a point here I'm curious about if
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: you and I were sitting down at dinner and we
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: didn't have a couple hundred people a thousand people listening,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I'd ask you the same question. You know, I think
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: for me, one of the things I'm trying to figure out,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: because you know, I want to usually connect with the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: bachelors of the past. It's a wild ride, it's hard,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: it's confusing. I think for me, one of the things
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: that you that makes you unique compared to other bachelors
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: is you promoted yourself, marketed yourself, branded yourself as this
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: very successful day trader. And I've worked in finance for
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: five years of my life. I was like, I've never
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: known anybody that day trades for a career. I know
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: people to manage wealth. I don't know anybody that day
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: trades for a career that's the hobby. But you did
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: do this, and it seemed, you know, you had the
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: videos in the cars and the big houses, and you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: it was really kind of part of your brand. I think,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: if you knew it or not, that you were a
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: successful day trader, right and now that is such a
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: small piece of what we're seeing from you. And so,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you know, you just said you're opening up new lanes
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: and everything. But I was like, man, this guy loves
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: loves finance, he loves investing, he loves the research. He
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you started a school for a period of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: time to teach people how to do that, and that's
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: no longer there. So it feels like I'm having a
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: hard time tracking who you are and actually what you
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: are doing, like enjoy doing because you just said you're
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: opening up new lanes. But I was like, what about
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: the lanes that existed before?
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: No, so the school is definitely still there, just we
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: when you're trading in the markets and you're managing equity
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: to have you know, fifteen thirty people thirty fifty people
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: kind of watching you. It was cool, but then they
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: kind of it got to a point wheople were a
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: little bit reliant on me for.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: You know, signals or their or their financial situation. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: that's something that I can't I can't condone.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Just to clarify there, you can't legally give investment advice,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: is what you're saying.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't leave.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: So that's why when I trade in front of people,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I will pay per trade, but people on their own
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: merit will either go into their accounts or do this
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: or do that. And for me, when people are calling
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: my phone like oh, like oh, we want to see
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: people don't. A lot of people that join those groups
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: they don't know the work that it takes to be able.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: And I've been traded this my six year trading and
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: my first three four years you know, I was just
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: ten years losing. So and when people go into these groups,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: they expect instant results when that's not you know, I'm
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: an educator.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I will give you, I will give you the I'll
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: give you the rod, but you have to fish for yourself,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So I still teach. I
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: do it on an individual basis now and that's but
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: that's my life.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: That's what I've been doing for the last six years,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: is what I put continuous hours of work into. But
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: also there's also other things I like do. I like music,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I like to create. I'm a creative and I think
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: that big part of what I really what I really
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: did not like about what really turned me off to
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: some of the things in Bachelor Nation was there's this
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: connotation that you have to just be in love. You
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: can't do this, you can't do that, and if you
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: do anything else, you're doing it for the wrong reason.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: And for me, I've always went against the green.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I don't really care what people think about me because
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I know myself and I know the type of.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Person I am.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: So when I go in there and I put out
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: a song or I put on this or that, regardless
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: of whatever it's like, if you don't, I'm not going
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: to pander just how somebody wants me to act. You
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, just because I'm I guessaid, I'm
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: a day trader. Like I've always went against the green,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: so you know what I'm saying. In the corporate in
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: the corporate world, you kind of have to be that way,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: but I've never been corporate, so I think that was
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: another reason why people don't really understand me. And it's
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: okay being misunderstood sometimes because I know I know myself,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I mean I do know what you're saying,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: because I think I've been in that world. But I
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: think the narrative was this was your job, you loved it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: You know, you're driving the fancy cars, you got the
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: big house, you're crushing it some you know. I think
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: the part of the intrigue was you were the bachelor,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: some you were going to end up with somebody from
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: the show, and they were going to enter into this
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: really like stable I think would be the word. I'd use,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: life of financial freedom and comfort and all those things.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And then you know that has been a piece that's
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: been missing. But I think the part that confused me
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: was you don't have your series seven, so you cannot
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: be trading.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Well let me, let's let me just so a series
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: seven is for financial advice.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I don't give financial advice.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. You couldn't give that to people,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that confusing, No, but that's.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I never In the beginning of my of my course
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: of my class, I had a disclaimer like, this is
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: not financial advice. What you do in a situation like
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: that where you covered legally, is you pay per trade.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Is you trade on a paper account.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: You might have your own live funds on the side,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: but you pay trade on paper account and you teach
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: while people are also following what you're doing. So there's
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: no Series seven needed for that because you're covered by
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: You're covered by your paper trading. Now, if I were
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: to be trading actual live funds or giving stock advice,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: like I remember, I was on Good Morning in America
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: and I gave a stop clearpoint neuro which was trading
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: at like thirteen dollars is now it's almost like sixty
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: dollars now. But I had to take it back because
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: I'm not I don't have my Series seven, so you
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. That's when I just was like, oh, well,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: just invest in SMP, you know what I'm saying, because
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: that's pretty pretty nuanced advice. It's pretty it's something that
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: everybody does. So with that, yeah, with in terms of
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: the day training thing and in terms of how they
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: portrayed me, on the show. I never want I never
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: want marketed to myself like that, you know what I'm saying.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I just that was how they chose to market me.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I didn't tell them to do that, obviously. You know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I love what I love what I do for work,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: and you know I'm always willing to grow and learn
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: and experiences. So yeah, with the whole, with the whole,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: in terms of how they marketed me, are with with
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: my series seven, I just I choose not not to
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: get that because I don't.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: That's not my job to give people advice in what stocks.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: My job is to get on.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Here every day show people how to maneuver through the
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: market and and how to be steady in that in
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: that space, and that's what that's what I still do.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not my claim was not that
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: you necessary. I mean, I think there was moments like
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: on social media that maybe pointed to that, but I
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: think the show really kind of marketed that, and I
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: think it is why the aftermath of the show has
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: been confusing, because it feels like that huge storyline, uh
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: that hasn't disappeared. I know it's still a thing that
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: you do, but it's not a piece of what we're
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: seeing from you anymore, Uh is the you know, is
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the finance guy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: I don't really want that to be like with with
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: with with data.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Like I just finished up teaching before a class before
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: this podcast. I had a class, and what I do
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: I like to do, and I don't want that to be.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: My my persona like that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I never, I never, you know, it's something that I
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: love doing, but I would I used my day trading
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: and the promise that I would drawer in the market
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: to fuel other projects, to fuel other things that I
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: like to do. You know, day trading is just a
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: means two for me to be supportive financially, and you know,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: it gives me the time and freedom to do things
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: that I like, whether that's making music or doing a
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: play or doing some things like that.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't want to really be known as
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: a finance bro.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I think that's like, you know, I do do that,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: but there's so many other aspects to me that you
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: know obviously on the show, you know, they show we
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: did a concert with Mario and certain things like that,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: and I'm playing the piano, so there were other sides
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: of me just wasn't traditional. So I guess it wasn't
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: as well received as like finance or something like day Trading.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can see that path, so let's
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: get into that stuff then. I mean, obviously we knew
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: you from day Trading, as we said, from being the Bachelor,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: but you are excited about other things happening in your life.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: We start out this whole show talking about the reality games.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: You also are in the process. I think via your
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: social media you've kind of started to be You're inspired
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: by Hitch and you're trying to start this like dating
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: show called Spin the Block. Right, you also are enjoying music.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I think during your season I see here in my
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: notes you came out with a couple songs. So what
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I mean if day Trading is, if we're making sense
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: of all this, day Trading is your stable day to day,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: what opportunities do you want to pursue next? Like with
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: the dreams that you had as a kid, grant with
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: the opportunities that you've now been given.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Where do you want to see all this go?
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I think for me, I'm just in a position or
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: a point where I want to be a positive, positive influence, right,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: And obviously things that not work out that way on
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: The Bachelor. And but like I said, I have a
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: very specific skill set which allows me to.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Allocate funds a certain projects.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: So the next thing that I'm willing to do is
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: that I want to do, is I have the We
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: have the reality Games coming up, which is going to
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: be some of some pretty big influences. There is going
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: to be a really good, so really good opportunity, opportunity
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: for exposure. And you know, I'm working on my pilot
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: episode to pitch to a couple all companies on this
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: idea of spin the Block.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: And it's not me giving dating advice like people jump
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: to conclusions.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: It's just me teaching men how to how to court
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: a woman or how to talk to a woman. But
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: do it intentionally, right, because a lot of men struggle
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: in the area. And you know, I was the Bachelor
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: for a reason, so I think that that's a good way.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: It's not me giving relationship advice because clearly I'm not
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: in a relationship. It is me taking a man who's
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: considered average and leveling out, teaching him how to dress,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: how to talk, how to have that swag, and to
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: get the woman that he wants, and then what he
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: does from there.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: That's that's that's up to him.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: So it is very hitch like.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: It's very hitch like. It's very hitchlike.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: And I'm utilizing you know, the Reality Games exposure and
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: some of the connections I have through that with some
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: pretty big agencies to try to to really get this
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: thing off the ground, and my plan is for it
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: to be out in the new year.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: The Reality Games is a huge then if I'm understanding
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: this correctly, it's a huge moment for you. You're really you're
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: really like sold out on her the hope of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: success of this thing, of the people that you're going
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: to meet through it. So if you were here today saying, hey,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: and if I ask you the question what's the most
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: important project in your life right now?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Reality games?
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Things like that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: The reality So the Reality Games isn't like like if
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: it does well or now, I'm still going to progress forward.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: But the obviously like that I said, the most important thing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: My number one thing that I do behind the scenes
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: is trading. Like if you look here, I was actually
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I'm like, while we're doing is I still I'm looking
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: at the market as well, or like that's that's number one.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: That is like my life's work. But I don't want
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: to be known as just the finance guy. I think
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: my creative side. I like being a creative So yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I think that this hitch project or Spend the Block
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: is a way for me. It's probably my most important
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: project because it's a way for people to see me outside.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: If anybody even pays attention, hopefully I get a new
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: audience base. But it's a way for people to see
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: me outside of the Bachelor. When you're the Bachelor, they
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: definitely you know, they dress you up, they planning to
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: help you plan your dates, and you know some of
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: the things like I didn't resonate.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: With that as well as I as I should have.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: So spin a Block is a way for people to
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: see me and my view of dating and how I
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: would approach it if it was like.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Me, you know what I'm saying, Well, it's it leads
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: me right into like one of my final questions for
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: you here, if you're going to be assisting others in
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: leveling up in the dating world, are you currently dating,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: have you dated since Juliana?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Are you on the market?
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Listen with me, and I'm going to be very transparent here,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Like I am very cautious with what I do in
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: the dating space. I've never had an issue with with
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: with that department. You know, it's very easy in the
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: world to get women or but that's not what I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: looking for. I want something very stable. I want something
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: very I want something that I'm committed. I don't much
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: is anybody, So for me, I take my time. That's
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: why I'm absent right now. I know the importance of
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: that and taking your time. But like I said, there's
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: other younger men out there that may not be able
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: to even get a date or really don't you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: they maybe they don't have the means or the finances
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: to be able to date, or they don't have the
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: right clothes, or they don't how to talk, or they
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: don't or they lack of confidence. And regardless of what
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: anybody thinks, you know, I think spending the day with
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: somebody who was who was the previous batcheler and showing
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: them a lifestyle or showing them kind of how to
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: course somebody and kind of keep still have that swag
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: but be traditional. I think that's there's a blend of both.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's kind of like in a nutshell, what
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: I'm working on in my next project, and I plan
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: on utilizing my trading to fund to fund this project.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: But are you dating?
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: No, I'm pretty much not dating right now. I'm not
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: seeing anybody right now. I'm hanging out, hanging out. I'm
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: hanging out. I'm working right now, Grant.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: For any out there listening as we kind of close
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: this up, taking in, you know, trying to go walk
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: through this show, clearing out some misconceptions, confronting some things
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: said obviously from Letia and then also others, and working
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: into where your life sits now. For listeners out there
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: that are like, hey, I want to kind of get
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: closure to all of this or to understand where Grant
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: is going, what would you say to the listeners, to
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the fans of the show who have walked through this,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: you know, hour long episode with us.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just first of all, I would say
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: thank you guys, I appreciate those the support, and yeah,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I think just finishing it off. You know, I said,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I did my best and my tenure as a bachelor,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: try to be a good example, and I think for
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: those of you that support me, thank you. And for
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: those of you that don't really like me or misunderstood
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I understand, and you know it's it's okay. You're not
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: going to be received well by everybody, but I appreciate
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: you for tuning into the journey.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on the Almost Famous podcast again.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: The Reality Games is going to happen on Twitch December thirteenth.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Real quick, is this?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Is it a Netflix deal or what is just a No, It's.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: It's on Twitch and different streaming platforms, so it's mainly
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: through Twitch. So there's a company called Meme House which
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: does really big events out here in LA and they're
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: they're hosting it. It's at Beamo Stadium on Twitch.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big deal.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, and then also look for Grant to possibly launch
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Spin the Block in the upcoming year.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you guys for having me.
• 41:41
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