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Former Lion Eric Hipple Talks about Depression · Motor City Mad Mouth

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  Speaker 1: Hand Big Thursday. Everybody, welcome to another edition of the
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  Speaker 1: Motor City mad Mouth Show. My loud enough, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want my special guest, Eric Hipple, to go down.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm the Motor City mad Mouth.
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  Speaker 1: I send a lot of money in that name. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be darned if I'm gonna be the Motor City mile
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  Speaker 1: Mouth after a few thousand dollars less. And I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: want it to go throw the trademark. He's already been there,
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  Speaker 1: done that. Anyways, great show lined up. I have my quarterback. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I have a manager, Mickey Callich and now I have
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback and his name is Eric Hipple. Eric, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us, and Candy will be on for the
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  Speaker 1: entire time. It's my go Hey, it's great to have
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  Speaker 1: you on.
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  Speaker 2: Eric, thanks God, pleased to be here, any hire, nice
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  Speaker 2: to make you.
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  Speaker 1: So for all those all you people on YouTube that
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  Speaker 1: are watching, if you'll read the chime into the chat room,
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  Speaker 1: Eric will be here to answer all your questions, Facebook, Twitter, wherever.
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  Speaker 1: We'll look forward to having you and you know, of
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  Speaker 1: course those of you that want to watch it later
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  Speaker 1: you'll be able to do so as well. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go over a little bit about Eric Hippel
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just going to talk about the statistics first,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about a debut that was
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  Speaker 1: like no other. When I mean no other, we'll definitely
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  Speaker 1: make sure we found out exactly why it was like
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  Speaker 1: no other. For sure. First of all, his debut. Any
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  Speaker 1: Pray there my co host on Monday Night. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: the Professor of the people, glad to have you on
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  Speaker 1: any make sure you could be my fourth co host
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  Speaker 1: if you want here, if you come in here and
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  Speaker 1: fire up those questions. All right, Well, you want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about a Monday night football performance of the ages,
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  Speaker 1: how about this incredible national TV debut on October nineteenth
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  Speaker 1: versus a Chicago Fair. I know Candy, I believe it.
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  Speaker 1: I have to love that result because she's a packer girl.
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  Speaker 1: Anytime you beat the Bears is good. But when you
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  Speaker 1: do it by the tone of doing it forty eight
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  Speaker 1: to seventeen, where you throw for three hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: six yards, four touchdowns, two rushing touchdowns, and to make
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  Speaker 1: matters even more interesting as I understand it, that sure
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  Speaker 1: he was called by the Profo Hall of Fame and
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  Speaker 1: I believe I'm still there, but at that time they
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  Speaker 1: collected it. Anyways, and you were a fourth round pick
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  Speaker 1: out a Utah State from eighty to eighty nine, and
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  Speaker 1: I know you threw for a total of ten thousand,
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred eleven yard. So all you people that you
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  Speaker 1: need to find your quarterback in the first round, the
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  Speaker 1: man in front of me is classic example. You don't
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  Speaker 1: need him in the first round. They come a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later. We call those that head and jabs. All right,
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  Speaker 1: did I give you some chills here about that epic
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  Speaker 1: performance back in the day?
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  Speaker 3: Eric, Sure. I mean, you know, it comes up a lot.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it was such a it was such a.
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  Speaker 4: Big explosion, you know, going from actually third team if
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  Speaker 4: you want to, you know, call the in training camp.
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  Speaker 4: You know that during a training camp during two days,
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  Speaker 4: I was third team and then I got accelerated to
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  Speaker 4: the first team after an injury. And then after the
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  Speaker 4: backup played terrible, they named me the starter. Going on
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  Speaker 4: a Monday night football game going against Chicago Bears. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, I got to tell you the the anxiety
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  Speaker 4: that goes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, for the you know, during the season.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a third seam quarterback as a holder also,
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  Speaker 4: so I got to go on the field and you know,
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  Speaker 4: help for Eddie Murray as he kicked field goals.
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  Speaker 3: So that was kind of fun because I got a
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  Speaker 3: chance on the field.
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  Speaker 4: But but you know, going from third team where you're
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  Speaker 4: not getting any action at all except for maybe throwing
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  Speaker 4: the other team's defenses or our offenses in practice. So
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden getting accelerated in basically two weeks
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  Speaker 4: because it took one week for him to get hurt
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  Speaker 4: to the week for the backup to get hurt, I
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  Speaker 4: mean to get to play terrible and then I got named.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, for me, it was like, this.
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  Speaker 4: Is great, my big chance. You know, you know, wait
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  Speaker 4: for this moment. You think about it. You know, you're
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  Speaker 4: all the background of working out in the summertime, when
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  Speaker 4: you're in high school, you know, making through the high school,
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  Speaker 4: maybe through college, you know.
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  Speaker 3: All that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Plenty says this one moment that you're gonna get this chance,
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  Speaker 4: and it's gonna be on Monday night football, which is right,
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  Speaker 4: But not only that, in my mind, I was thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: that means my parents can see the game, my college friends,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and buddies can see the game. My high
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  Speaker 4: school friends and stuff could see the game. You know,
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  Speaker 4: pretty much everybody's gonna be allowed to to see this thing, right,
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  Speaker 4: And then so then the anxiety, well anxious effectually kind
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  Speaker 4: of sit in and said, oh my gosh, everything done.
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  Speaker 3: This one moment really comes down to you. I even
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  Speaker 3: knew what the first play was going to be.
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  Speaker 4: It was going to be a pass play, you know,
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  Speaker 4: so they ain't got all the days to think about that.
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  Speaker 3: So I did a lot of patient back and forth
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  Speaker 3: inside the hotel room nine o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: Kickoffs are hard because you got the whole day to
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  Speaker 4: think about it, right, and then you're just ready to go.
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  Speaker 3: But then first pass, the first play was the pass.
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  Speaker 4: And it was complete about forty yards down the field,
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  Speaker 4: and the play is just erupted. And I would like
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  Speaker 4: to say that, you know that moment in Austin, somebody
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  Speaker 4: like he had a go fast button and it just
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  Speaker 4: zoom zoo zoo. And the next thing I know is
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  Speaker 4: almost halftime. It was just it was just an explosion,
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  Speaker 4: that tivvy. But you know, I ended up throwing for
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  Speaker 4: four touchdown passes and a great two touchdowns in that game,
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  Speaker 4: so it all worked out.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't feel like you had a whole career
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  Speaker 1: going one night. I mean, obviously we can't disregard what
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  Speaker 1: you did for the time that you're in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: and again an NFL pension. You're in the league a
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  Speaker 1: long time, better than most quarterback. Let's just think about
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  Speaker 1: a whole career one night Monday night football. To do
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  Speaker 1: what you did. I mean, that is so cotton pick
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  Speaker 1: and surreal. It's it's ridiculous. I know you had a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good career, and my next topics and illustrate how
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  Speaker 1: good it really was. But you know, think about that. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I want to point out Katie put that thing up
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  Speaker 1: by Eddie Fraser too great Calman in the chat room.
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  Speaker 1: So we want to get this out to here. Eric Meeric,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for entertaining US football fans back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: You and Billy Sims of the first two lines. I
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  Speaker 1: remember as a very young football fan, there you go,
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  Speaker 1: all you got to do? Therek has hit somebody else
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  Speaker 1: and this guy he did. So go back to my
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  Speaker 1: question there, but it almost it seems like to me
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  Speaker 1: it was like a whole career in one night. Not
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  Speaker 1: to discount what you did Anyways, well and as and as.
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  Speaker 4: That's what you're saying is somewhat true in fact after
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  Speaker 4: because I think there's nothing a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 4: know about you or who you are. You know you
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  Speaker 4: do because you travel the journey.
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  Speaker 1: But what a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: People don't know is you know my Uh, I was
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  Speaker 4: picked the first pick in the fourth round, but I'd
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  Speaker 4: actually had a knee operation between the end of my
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  Speaker 4: senior year and the draft, and so you know, so
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  Speaker 4: that might have had some hindrance to it. I had
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  Speaker 4: my newest swallows fun physical but uh. Any but that
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  Speaker 4: one moment, right the reason that I stayed like a
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  Speaker 4: career in when one game it is because I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know how don't know whatody really does to anticipate. But
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  Speaker 4: after the game was over, the office of coordinator Bob
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  Speaker 4: Stelker walked over to me and he put his arm
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  Speaker 4: around me, and he goes, you just made a career
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  Speaker 4: for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's exactly what he said. And I thought,
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  Speaker 3: I just played one game. What do you mean?
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  Speaker 4: Right? Well, I can tell you today, you know, three
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  Speaker 4: other years later or whatever, will always been that uh.
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  Speaker 4: And people still talk about that. So I understand what
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  Speaker 4: you meant how impactful that was and how how I
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  Speaker 4: guess that it was, and but you know, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: think of it at the time. It was just all right,
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  Speaker 4: I get a chance of starting. It went really well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, being named the m v P that you're
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  Speaker 4: and we went on in the you know last you know.
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  Speaker 3: The next few years, you know, went the playoffs twice
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  Speaker 3: and the vision here.
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  Speaker 1: So so you know, let me ask you a question.
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  Speaker 1: You know, g M t A stands for great minds.
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  Speaker 1: Take a li like you. You will be quizzed on that.
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  Speaker 1: You will be quizzing at the at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the show. Just remember, all right, can do you have
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  Speaker 1: any questions about the fact that you love it when
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  Speaker 1: the Packers beat the Bears? Let alone the line beat
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  Speaker 1: him that badly back in the time where you were
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  Speaker 1: just a little tight candy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's great to see anybody beat the Bears.
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  Speaker 2: Let's face it, no love lost against the Bears. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the Packers and Bears are one of the oldest rivalries
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  Speaker 2: there are. But my question is a lot of us
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  Speaker 2: don't really I mean that we've never played the game.
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  Speaker 2: What is it like to go into another stadium? Someone
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  Speaker 2: you know, like when you're traveling and going into an
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  Speaker 2: away stadium, how do the fans react to you and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I've got two answers for you, okay. One is
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  Speaker 4: if you're in a losing season and so you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know you're not going to playoffs, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: so in you're at.
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  Speaker 3: Home, you almost rather be away.
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  Speaker 4: Because you know you're not gonna you're not gonna get
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  Speaker 4: booed at you, you know, and so and that's when
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  Speaker 4: things are really bad, you know what I mean, because
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  Speaker 4: it's this hard, then sometimes an away game can be
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  Speaker 4: goin to escape, you know. So it's fun to play.
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  Speaker 4: But man, when you when you got things rock and
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  Speaker 4: roll in it, there is no better place than at home.
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  Speaker 4: And you go out and you challenge the other people
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  Speaker 4: you know on their field, and so there's always there's
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  Speaker 4: always something to overcome, which you know you're gonna have
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  Speaker 4: to overcome the crowd, you know, maybe the fish holes
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  Speaker 4: depends on how how much how much home forget it.
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  Speaker 3: And then also you know, the the just it's a
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  Speaker 3: little unfamiliar.
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  Speaker 4: But I will tell you this, one of the favorite
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  Speaker 4: places to play for me, whether it's to the favorite
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  Speaker 4: place it was is Green Bay, just because the tradition
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  Speaker 4: and the field is always nice even in the crap
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  Speaker 4: you whether it's nice because they they heat it underneath.
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  Speaker 4: It's got a radiator underneath it, so the field's always
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  Speaker 4: you know, doesn't freeze.
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  Speaker 3: But I had my best game.
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  Speaker 4: And when I say best game, I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: save by any emotion or probably what it looked like
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  Speaker 4: or the score. But we get graded after every game too,
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  Speaker 4: So after every game, the potent sit down and they
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  Speaker 4: grade you, you know, on every play. You know, how
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  Speaker 4: did you do because you can quite frankly, you know,
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  Speaker 4: get an A, get a B, going to be kind
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  Speaker 4: of score you right.
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  Speaker 3: Taken hold it. But what happens is so depending on
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  Speaker 3: what did you do the read write? Did you think
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  Speaker 3: STEP's right? Did you you know all that stuff?
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  Speaker 4: Played a perfect game going for myself against Green Bay.
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  Speaker 4: And it was a beautiful day. The sum is up,
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  Speaker 4: it's crisp and clear.
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  Speaker 3: It was like one of those massical days.
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  Speaker 4: When no matter what I did, it just felt good
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  Speaker 4: right and just went up down the field that they had.
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  Speaker 3: So I played my best game ever against Green Bay.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well let's go Andy Frailer. Candy got a
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  Speaker 1: couple up there. We're gonna have Eric with then we'll
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  Speaker 1: move on to the next topic, and we're gonna start
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  Speaker 1: with thank you for all right, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: an advocate for mental health as a person who battled
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  Speaker 1: depression over the last thirteen years since his mom passed away.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. As we get deeper into this, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be talking more about that. I appreciate how much
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  Speaker 1: you advocated for mental health. Great stuff, and that's leading
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  Speaker 1: up to and he doesn't like the Bears, all right,
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  Speaker 1: So I was trying to be polite about it. But
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  Speaker 1: it's okay on because you don't know everybody, as Garrick was,
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  Speaker 1: what was the worst field you ever played on in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL?
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  Speaker 4: That's well, it goes back to, you know, like well
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  Speaker 4: Milwaukee when they shared you know, the Green Baby shared,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and come down to Milwaukee and play the
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  Speaker 4: outdoor stadium at Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: It was terrible before they built the dome. Now that's
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  Speaker 3: going way back, so it's kind of have to say.
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  Speaker 4: And then you know, the astro turf was a lot
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  Speaker 4: different you know then too than it is now today.
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  Speaker 4: So we were we were blessed because we had an
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  Speaker 4: indoor stadium, you know, with with the AstroTurf m and
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  Speaker 4: so weather really never affected us. But the asper turf
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  Speaker 4: wasn't always the best. The first astro turf had a
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  Speaker 4: zippers in it, if you believe it or not, and
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  Speaker 4: so there was a there was a hazard there, and
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  Speaker 4: it was also really really hard.
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  Speaker 3: Today's AstroTurf is fantastic, So that would be the worst.
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  Speaker 4: One would be Minnesota and uh and I would say
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  Speaker 4: probably Milwaukee just because of the design of it anything else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never cared for County Stadium in terms of
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  Speaker 1: working in the presspots only mental you had to deal
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  Speaker 1: with it. And I never looked at Metropolitan Staium. But
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  Speaker 1: I hear that was brutal too, wasn't it. So I
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  Speaker 1: can imagine. All right, So let's look. Now, you're regarded
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  Speaker 1: as one of the top five quarterbacks on Lions history,
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  Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford, Bobby Lane, Greg Landry and Scott Mitchell.
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  Speaker 1: How does that make you feel when you're mentioned in
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  Speaker 1: the same breath as these guys.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that sounds pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when you look back at your career, you
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  Speaker 4: know there's nobody's ever completely satisfycing right. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: even Brady's not okay with this.
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  Speaker 3: With his career.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's certain things you look back and say, oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: if this could happened, if this would have done differently,
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  Speaker 4: And so that's there was a part like I think
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  Speaker 4: if everybody's own mindset when they look back and say, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I had a great career, but I wish this could
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  Speaker 4: have happened, and so you know, I'm basically there's certainly
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  Speaker 4: these things I wish would have been different, but overall,
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  Speaker 4: like the injuries for one, but overall, I'm really happy
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  Speaker 4: with the way things.
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  Speaker 3: Were taught with with me in my career.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, seeing here in Detroit and you know,
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  Speaker 4: all seniors were here and so you know, I became
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  Speaker 4: home for me, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So it's been really nice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, you know what's on the site of
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  Speaker 1: the Metropolitan Stadium and Mall of America. You ever been
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  Speaker 1: to Mall of America. That's what's there. Now. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot about that place because Number one,
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  Speaker 1: I had to run a text from Tucks excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: from all of America for a friend of mine who
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  Speaker 1: actually been living there and I stood up for this winning.
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  Speaker 1: So mall of America is a whole lot more cozier
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  Speaker 1: than Metropolitanum, I breathe you there. All right, let's continue on.
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  Speaker 1: Billy Sims and Jason Hanson and now Wilman's Brown have
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  Speaker 1: been nominated to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think any of those players are going to make it?
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  Speaker 1: If not right away, at some point down the road,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: Lois Brown should what were the names you give me?
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  Speaker 3: Give me the names.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got Jason Hanson, who I think should definitely
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  Speaker 1: get in, and Billy Yep and Billy Sammers.
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  Speaker 4: Billy Sims gonna be a tough to it because he
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  Speaker 4: wasn't in long enough. I don't think he played long enough.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, so I don't think that's gonna happen. That's
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  Speaker 4: just my opinion. I mean, he he certainly had the
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  Speaker 4: potential and the ability to do it, but with his
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  Speaker 4: knee injury, it kind of took him out of the running.
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  Speaker 3: When that happened, because he called his career early. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I think Momba's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about Billy Simps will never forget he
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  Speaker 1: you know, you talk about having a tough time over
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  Speaker 1: Metropolitan Sanying. He blew out his knee over at the
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  Speaker 1: Metro Dome. And you know it's even tough on us
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  Speaker 1: reporter down there wearing hiking boots that gets stuck on
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  Speaker 1: that stupid artificial surface. I mean, I actually had had
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  Speaker 1: my knee drained, drained after I came back from that
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  Speaker 1: trip because they got caught up in that carpet. They're unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: You talk about a painful trip. I listen, you know
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  Speaker 1: a guy like me, I've had a lot of injuries too.
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  Speaker 1: I have a game named after me over at the
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  Speaker 1: Toy Story called Operation Okay, and I'm sure a lot
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  Speaker 1: of us have Operation the game. If you look at
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  Speaker 1: that compo game board, you'll probably find all the different
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  Speaker 1: places that I've been operating. I don't you ever heard
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  Speaker 1: that analogy? We're just getting warm, got Eric.
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  Speaker 3: You know that I was good. I can I can
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  Speaker 3: relate to it.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: So you ever ever played the game Operation?
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: I hope the game Operation, and now that you know,
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: you know it works all the way down to the
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: kids and to the grandkids and and stuff. It's it's
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: one of those games that I think it's the iconic.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: This already knows about it. You know, the buzzer in
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: the you know, the guy's weigh his bones. Now I
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: look at it and go, oh, let's see, let's say I
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: had that hurt, and see I broke that and I
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: had that hurt.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: So I had to throw that at Come on, Eric, Sure,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I had to tell that, man. I always continue to
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: talk about the Kurt. The Detroit Lyons started with Jared Goff.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Thoughts about him, cow me, I will talk about golf.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Jared Goff.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I think, you know, I've gotten a lot of
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: respect for him, you know, and he's got talent, no doubt,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: But more than anything, just the way he handled the
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: whole situation from being traded, you know, for the rams
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: to hear and you know, I don't know how he
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: actually looked at it at the time, but it could
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: have been happy.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: He could have been you know.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, he took him to the you know, super Bowl,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: right and uh and they don't win, so they make
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: a trade and up you know.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Him coming here too.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: So if you look at his point of view, I'm
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: going now going to Detroit, which is not California, you know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: as far as this tan and you know, the things
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: to do and all, but he comes here and.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Then it's a oh man, we've we've been a losing team.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: It's almost like, oh, they're just just be off and
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: you know, and I'm done. I've been about to the
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: passion now and and roll over and die. And and
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: he didn't. He caught here and he didn't say a word.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: He didn't complain, didn't bitch. He just worked his ass
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: off and and and proved it, you know, proved that,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: you know what, he deserved to be there. And I'm like,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: you know, we're knocked on the door again. And so
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I've got a lot of respect for him. He said,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: he's and he's mentally tough. You know, a lot of
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: people probably don't think that, but you know, just to
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: face some of the situations, I mean, anybody that see
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: especially with Dan Campbell, because going on fourth down, it's
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: many times as.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: You're going fourth down and those are crucial.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Those are a lot of the pressure play in it,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: you know, because you have to make it go right.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: And so he doesn't. He doesn't think spikes butt and
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: he throws you know, makes it work.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell me how tough is it to play
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the quarterback position in Detroit?
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's it's I think it's tough because
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: we've had a lot of change over and I'm going
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: through history where you know, you've had a lot of
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: coach changes, some some management changes, but only you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: and that's that that's much ownership. But even though they
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: passed it around amongst themselves, but I think there multiple
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: changes and stuff and everybody looking for, you know, the answer,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: which is what do you do? Okay, Well, if you're
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: not winning, then you know, the quarterback position becomes one
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: that they're going to looks at.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: And says, oh, it's because of the quarterback.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Well, the whole bunch of factors that go with they
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: can either make her break here, and so it makes
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: it really tough. You know, when it's when it does
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: fall on your shoulders, But ultimately some of it shouldn't.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Fall on your shoulders because it's just the.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I had three head coaches in ten years and five
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinators.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Some means every other year are gonna learn a new offense.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, so so you gonna learn a new offense, You've
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: got change over a personnel, you have the mission changes thround.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Hey, we want to highlight this in our offense too.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: We want to highlight this.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: So now we want to do a spread and you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: run and shoot, and now we're gonna do ipat.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: And so it makes it hard to be consistent over time.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: And of course what happens, of course, you know, when
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: you're not quitting, then people start pointing the finger and say,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: you know, we didn't answer, and the coach is gonna
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: fire for other coaches first, and then they'll turn around
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: and try and replace personnel. So it can be it
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: can be very difficult, you know, because like I said,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: it's a great position to be in when things are
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: going well because you get a lot of credit that
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: you play don't desert when things are going bad, you
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: play gets credit for that too.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Well, like I say, I'm I don't mind repeating all
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: those people just back there that knowing that you're actually
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: regarded in this Lion's History of the Matthew Safford, Bobby Lane,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Greg Landry and Scott Mitchell, that says a lot about
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: what you actually did, you know for sure, So but
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: that what do you feel pretty good though that you
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: were actually mentioned in that group of quarterbacks.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta remember in two of the years
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: and so I was a starter and then and then
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I broke my hand in UH in training camp in
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: eighty seven, so I was on injury reserve.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And I came back off.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Injury reserve in eighty eight and we're playing San Francisco
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: and and they pulled Chuck Long out and they put
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: me in, and so basically had a chance to regain
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: my my you know position, and.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I went in and I started off, you know, really strong,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you know, throwing the ball downfields. Many things happened, and
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: then UH and then I broke my ankle.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: So that means it's basically two years back to back
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: with UH with on an injury reserve. And so when
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: it came out my tenth year, you know, we had
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: another coaching change and you have to adduct another offense.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I was pretty beat up, and so, yeah, it didn't
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: go It didn't go well for me.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: You know that last year especially played Minnesota and lost
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: of them and then I was cut the next day.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: So you know that that they happened, and you just
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: never know when it's gonna happen. But y, yeah, it
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: was a I'm really happy with the career when you
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: just look at those things and take those things out.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there, go ahead, Candy.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Is there a wide receiver astor present that you didn't
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: play with that you wish you had the opportunity to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: play with?
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Oh man, all the guys that came after me. Certainly
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I would love to have her Memmore or meg Natron,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: you know, Meron, or I wouldn't. They're tall or strong,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: you're great, or you got a super fast, speedy guy
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: you know going down that you can throw the wall
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: deep too. So you know, we didn't have all of that,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: you know, so we're at a you know, we we
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: were more of the run game, you know, at one
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: point in time when I was there, of course, because
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: because back then you had to because you could hit
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the quarterback, you know, you could. All the rules were
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: completely different for and now they're all geared towards passing,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: you know, so so it doesn't make a big difference.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: So if you didn't have if you didn't have a
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: good running back, then your passing was gonna be tough
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: because you had to have.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: The running game to set up the passing game.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Uh, it rules for all right. So here I'm gonna.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So I've always wonder about this. I was thinking of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: this a lot in the last day. Sorry, How many
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: yards did you have in today's NFL? Because I have
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a feeling that once upon a time I thought Dan
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Marinos record was unbroke, could be breakable. But now everybody
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: passing the sixty thousand mark. But I'm talking to Eric Kiffle, everybody,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: how many yards do you think you'd have in this
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: water down league where no where everybody played Pannycake pany
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Cake Baker's Mandy can't hit nobody.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: It's uh, it's impossible for me to try and even
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: predict that because it's a different type of game that
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I played.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: You know, I was more of a scrapper type, you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: was you know, more spontaneous, I.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Like to believe, and so I wasn't the type this
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: is in the pocket all day long and just you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: methodically moved the ball down.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe, you know, it would have been different if I
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: would have been in a rule set, because maybe that
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: would have been available, but that not being the case.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: We're under a lot of pressure, you know, the quarterbacks wort,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: so trying to make things happen is kind of where
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I lay might had, you know, so maybe it's a
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: big play here, but it's made another big play, you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: or maybe audible to something, you know, so that works
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: out really well.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I was worn into the big plays when
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I was the methodical march.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: But do you think you would have had twenty thirty
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: thousand passing guards to this league? This league?
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could do that. Yeah, sure, yeah, all right,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: not got musum too, you know who knows.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Come on the American visualize. Man, we're back to the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: future here. Well, I don't know the future. This is
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a new millennium. We're going to get to Eric.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: The truth.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: D you know, I might have lasted longer, you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: so of not taking the hits, you know, so that's
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: always there, you know, coming out quite frankly, you know
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: in the league today, knocking a quarterback around is uh,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: you don't see very much, right, and so guy getting
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: hurt like the impact. That's the reason why they change
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: o the rules, right, because they wanted to keep the
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks in for the for the you know, the chiev market.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Quite frankly, I remember, let's see, yeah what year it was,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: But I think there is like half of the starting
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks were injured at the time, and so you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: the dealership really went down.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: On Sunday games. And when that happened, of course.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: You know those we're going to change the rules a
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: little bit and get these guys so they're not getting
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: knocked out, not getting hit, not getting hurt.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Makes me wonder what kind of a fantasy football quarterback
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you would be. I guess let's one. It's one to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: let the mind wander. So I'm kind of curious you
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: talk about the fact that you know, you went through
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of coaches, but Joey Harrington I think got
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a raw deal in Detroit because he unfortunately went through
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a few coaches. I think he would have done much
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: better had he been in the stable atmosphere. And therefore,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I do not and I repeat, I do not do
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Joey Harrington as a bus were your talks about Joey Harrington.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I think Joey Harrington, Chuck Long.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: You know, guys who came from a strong program to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: where they listened, had complete faith in their college coaching,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: and you know, and and and uh and and listen
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: to them.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: It well, I think those guys had a disadvantage with
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: the King to Detroit because it wasn't as tight, it
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: wasn't as.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: It's cohesive it should have been.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And so a quarterback coming in in this situation that's
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: used to listen to a coach and doing what the
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: coach said and being successful, you almost had to do
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: stuff on your own right at certain times, whether it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: enomenal or you had to fight for yourself, you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to get things done. And so it was a little
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: bit different.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: So those guys they came in and we're doing the
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: methodical game.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: You know, Chuck Bomb expects he had a great arm,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: not strong arm, but had a great accurate arm. But
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: you know, he was always one of the ball short
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: because that's but he was told to do by the coach.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: And when I replaced him, you know, we replaced San Francisco.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: This is when I broke my ankle. When I replaced him,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: you know, I told him, I said, you gotta throw
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the ball down field and up at the coach and
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I said, yeah, you're not the one that's going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: get cut or you know right, I mean, you're the
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: one's gonna get cut on him. And so you got
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: to if you know, you know, you're it's certain eight
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: and you're throwing a five grand pass. You know it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: gonna catch up to you. You're gonna go to be
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: a pugod man, you gotta go down field. And so
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: that was my recommendation. And I think that's what his
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: trap was was, you know, I did you know this
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: without taking any risks? And uh, I think Harrington was
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: the same thing.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So Eric, I have a I have a question. In
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: today's game, the NFL is marketing themselves really well and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: they go play out in international games all the time.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Is that something that you did you do any international games?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And if you didn't, how do you feel about you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: international games? Like as a from a player's perspective.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I think you're great.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I think if you know this, this style of football
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: that we play is so unique to to America, right,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I mean in the United States that it's like when
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: you export it, some people don't understand the game, you know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: so it's kind of hard from the watch. But I
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: think as the time goes on, and especially with the
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the A building to watch more of it and the
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: ability to through social media through connections through all the
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: different you know, podcast websites, so you can learn a
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: lot more right, and there's a lot more of it right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: So I think I think they've done a fantastic job
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: marketing and putting everything together because they're getting interests.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: They're also very very smart and.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Intuitive about finding new markets within within with an existing market.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: You know, if you look at the you know, this.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Makes up callous, but if you look at the you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the move for you know, to wear pink shoes, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: to support you know, breast cancer, you know, certainly you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: looking for more of a female audience, you know, putting
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: things you know together for you know, football camps for
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: for women to come and learn more about the.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Game, you know, all that, and then not just you know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the spreading.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Of a football to flag football as well now and
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: so starting flag football you.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Know, for youth and working their way up. So they've
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: been very good at that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: The military as a market, you know, turn around and
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: start doing the slute for service, you know at halftime
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: where they introduced you know, a service member to it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: So so gathering that up, so you're constantly forging markets
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: in the way that they do it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of other football things I want to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: get to and then we're going to go on to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the business in hand, and that's a depression. But there's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: no way I could bring on a show without talking
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a fair amount of football. That's this Well your talks
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: about Dan Campbell and the rest of this Detroit Lions
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: football team.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I think Dan Campbell is probably the most wanted coach
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to play for. That makes sense, okay, I mean because
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: his enthusiasm. He believes in the players. He does.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: But you know, it's if you just watch him, it's
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: like his best interest is in the players all the time.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Maybe not if if they're on the outcast or whatever.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: You know, when they're not playing, well, they're screwing up.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, he consequences just like anybody else. But when
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: you're in the scheme and you're doing things and you're
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: doing them and you're giving it er hundred percent, he's
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: giving you that plus I'm back. And I think that's
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: what makes him, you know, a guy that people would
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: want to play for. Enthusiastic, believes in you, get you going,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: you know, but also you know, he's not afraid of risk,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: which is awesome. You know.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: All right, last football question I'm going to talk about
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: tonight and then we're going to talk about what we're
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: going to do with you, okay, and promote. When you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: think of Wayne Fonts, you think of Barry Sanders. I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to cover the team back then during
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that era. You know, Wayne Fox is probably a coach.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you would know mine playing for. And I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: know you if you played with Billy Sims, I can
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: only imagine you salivating what it would have been like
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that Barry Sanders in your back, Deeld. Even though the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: number twenty is a COMBA denominator, well, I.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Had it for one year, so his rookie year was
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: my was my last year, so we overlapt that one year.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: And though I only got to play with him in
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: one game, but watching him through practice, watching him through
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: you know, on the field, you know when on the
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: sideline until you started that game.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: But the he's just a phenomenal back. And to believe it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Or not, the Wayne Fonts had a babble to get
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: him drafted because the offensive coordinator, Miles Davis did not
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: want to draft it because a guy like Barry size
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: is not doesn't fit that run and shoot offense. They
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: need a really big back, you know, to take the
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: defensive end or the defensive back, and so so Mouse
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: didn't want to draft it. And Wayne Funk get going.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Did you see him run that drill? Did you see
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: him run that drill? No, did you see him run
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: that drill?
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: So you know, the shuttle drill of his phenomenally and
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: shift years, go backwards, sideways, you know, just as fast
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: as he can go forward, you know, and just an
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: amazing athlete. And so you know, the fact that he
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: didn't fit the offense, it turned out to be the
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: best offense in the world for him because it spread
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: everybody up. That meant that he's they're gonna fit tackle
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: one one on one. You know, you can't really swarm
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: and tackle, you know, if you're all spread out, And
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: so it should out to be a great break fit
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: for him.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it takes a rocket scientist
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to realize a lot of reasons that Barry Sanders retired
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: prematurely is when they let Wayne Fons go or took
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the wind out of his sale, because I think he
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: wanted Fonts to be he was at Fons was his
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: ultimate protector anyways, and if Wayne fonce had saved the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: coach of that team. I think you'd get another two,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: three or four years out of Barry Sanders. Do you
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: agree or disagree?
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well he he was never injured, you know, so
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: you know nothing, he didn't get beat up, but he
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: was never injured. In fact, I think that you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Barry probably could have played in that the way we
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: were playing anyway, the way he runs, as long as
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: he didn't get an injury, he could still be running today.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: But I think that, Yeah, Willnae Fox was kind of
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: his protector.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: And and they kept guys like Kevin Glover, they kept
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: you know, guys around that Barry really really you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: worked well with and really appreciate it, and you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: and and that was his team. And they started breaking
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: the team up, you know, when they bought Bobby Bobby
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: ross in and they were going to change the offense
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: from the from the spread offense to an right so
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: that means no longer spread out as much. That means
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: that you're gonna be running up the middle and off
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: tackle and Ernie Elston people get hurt. So yeah, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: don't believe.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: All right, well, now came to any other questions, then
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do Eric is we're gonna go to
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: a station break and then we're gonna start talking about
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: mental illness. Okay, any questions joined that answer? Eric at
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the moment?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: One one one last question, Eric, what is your favorite
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: play or top game you know, moment in a game
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that you remember the most, that's the most memorable to you.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: The most My most memorable play?
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so you don't mean my opposive play, you
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: means single play.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: What wasn't right? Yeah, well I can tell you what
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: It was online money in the football game.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Actually we had were a third and I think a
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: third and six on the four yard line coming out
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: and yeah yeah, yeah on the six yard line coming
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: out in the third and whatever it was.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And so I thought we were just going to run
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: the ball. You do you get your back to the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: end zone, just run the wall.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: And so when the play came in, it was a
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: play action pass Matt's plot. You know, the one guy
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: is gonna be going out. So it's like like a
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: trick play, and I'm thinking, why don't we just run
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: the ball and run it anyway? But that play we
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: got into it and they showed up in the blitz
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: and I go, Okay, they're coming. So we did the
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: playroom pass. It sank down and Leonard Thompson, the wide receiver,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: you know, running the wrong route because he had one
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: on one coverage and there's no safety. There was a
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: full Max Plitz, and I had just enough time to
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: get rid of the ball and he ran the wrong route.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: So I threw it away on the left hand side
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: and he ran to it and got it, and he
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: ran ninety ninety four yards for a touchdown. And yeah,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: so that was that was awesome. Held the record for
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: quite a while on money NT Football. But that play
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: right there, because I'll never forget the play action passed.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Oh it's letting up. I see him, I get the
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: balls to him, and I'm standing there or laying there,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: knocked down and listening to eighty thousand people just screaming.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: And so it's sitting louder and louder and louder, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I know he's in the score, and of course he
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: goes across the end zone, and just being able to
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: stand and look all the way down that end zone
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: and see him standing up across the end zone and
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: listen to everybody.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: It's just so impactful. Power, you know, So that was it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, now it was time you want to follow up
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: with a.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Candy No, No, I'm good, I think.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to a station break. When we
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: come back from that station break, Eric Hipple talks about
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: mental illness. We're going to talk about some websites, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the trials and tribulations that
• 34:19
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• 34:21
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• 34:24
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• 34:27
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• 34:31
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• 35:40
  Speaker 1: All right, Candy, well done? All right, Eric, what we're
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: gonna do is I have a few more things I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: want to get to. Candy's gonna go over the websites,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and then we're going to end the show promote your book.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: How does that sound? And just so you know, Eric
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: shares her own show called Chicks and sal So who knows,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: maybe you might want to take it right onto that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: show there where you have to tell your story with
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: all the women there. I'm sure they would welcome you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: all all day long with what you're doing because I'll
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: tell you one thing. You know, that's that's her show.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: She's run that thing. I just making a recommendation. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: think the girls would love to have you on, but
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not done with you yet. Okay. So with that said,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I know you've dealt with mental illness. You know, you
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: attempted it suicide once a situation related with the car,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and you had a fifteen year old that committed suicide.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: How did you overcome these challenges to become involved with
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: educating people? Well, you've done is nothing short of an infimration.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Eric within you, you know, and it was.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: It's been such a strange path that when you look
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: at it one way, you say, what a tragy. You
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: look at that wing and say, oh, what a great thing,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and then you kind of blend the two together and
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: trying to work through it. And you know, the mindset
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: that I have today is just you know, the realization
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: that you know, we everybody have adversity and and you
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: actually need to have a city, you know, to be
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: resilient because you have to overcome something to learn how
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: to do it and then and hopefully you know, they
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: start off small, like when you're a child and you
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: know you told no for the first time or something
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: like that, right, So, but.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: You know, and you grow into it and you learn
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that way. Well, my my take on resilience was always
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: From a physical standpoint of view, you know, and that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: how he played the game, which was when you get
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: knocked down, you get back up again, you know. So, hey,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: he's a resilient guy. He's you know, he can't hurt him.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: You know, he gets back up again. But when I
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: found out when I left.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: The league, and maybe even before that or so, it
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: were you know, didn't feel right and stuff.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: But just see, certainly when I left the game, it
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: was a huge transition, and that's what spawned me eventually
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: to do things about it with other players.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: But for myself after it was over with, it was,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you know, the loss.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Of identity, kind of not know what to do the research,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: you know, the resources are gone.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: There was there was nothing.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: There's no support system whatsoever, you know for former players
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: back then, and so you know, trying to find that out. Well,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I started a business, it was doing well, you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: but I didn't feel well. I didn't feel right, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: so that culminated in the jumping out of the car.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: On the way to the airport. My wife was driving.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: And you know, even though WA get up in the hospital,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: you know, all bandaged up and stuff, you know, I
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: still didn't get the you know, I still didn't get
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: it because you know, no, no, no, that's over with.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't face it and call it what
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: it was, you know, it was it's just something happened,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: you know, spontaneous.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: So I never did anything about it. So when I
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: watched my son go through some of the same symptoms
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: that I had had but not able to really understand
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: in depth with the inman to him. And so after
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I lost him, then, you know, the first thing I
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: did was just not want to feel anything. And so
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: I went through a really destructive behavioral time, you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: just trying to be numb, and then eventually acculminated in
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: you know, a DUI and which changed a lot of things.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: And so I wanted answer it, and so I started
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: looking for, you know, answers. I was actually invited to
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: lunch and learned at the University of Michigan Depression Center.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: They just started the depression centers, brand new the idea anyway,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: and so I went down there to that and learned
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff about depression, it said, was just
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: a foreign subject to me, even though you look back
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: and you know my mom probably started from depression. She
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: had her different paths. So there's is our family. But
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: the learning part of it, which all of a sudden
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: you learn something new, it's like eye opening and so
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: you want to do something about it. With this new
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: information in mind, was why can't we get this information
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: out to more people?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: So maybe we can have less suicides.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: But I have somebody who's suffering might have a place
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: to go or at least aware of what this thing is,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: you know. So it's we're education based, you know, to
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: start off with just outreach, and so that's where we
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: started the turnaround and coming back around.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you know I could go out and tell
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: you where it went from there if you want. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: heard you got a question to kip it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Well that's okay. Well I'm going to continue where I'm
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: going because Candy has a path too. So you're doing great.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I love what you're giving. You're giving a lot of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: insightful feeling. I know, listen, I'm not afraid to admit this.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Many years ago when I was living in there, in Arizona.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I attempted what you did once because of an ex
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: wife who wasn't supportive of what I was doing being
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the sole breadwinner. So I can appreciate where you went
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: through there under different circumstances. But it's a disease. But
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the main thing is you have to have a good
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: support system and that's the key. And I like myself
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you did and have more power to you. I know
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the traumatic part of your son going having done it
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: certainly didn't help matters, but the fact that you're doing
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: something about it, it was eric kind of remind you
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: many years ago when Mark Bonakhanni got hurt and Nick
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Bonakhani supported him. And I know that you obviously are
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a close knit family. What that said, I know the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: one thing you do is you deliver speeches on suicide
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: prevention and mental illness at high schools, youth group, members
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of the military, and their families and corporation. Tell me
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: more about that.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Well, the first thing I did when with all this
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: newfound information, was trying to get information out to my
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: own population, which is former players or athletes and when
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: they transition out or a college guy when he's supposed
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: to but he gets hurt so he doesn't get drafted.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: You know, that kind of transition, and that soon took
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: took a turn towards veterans and in military because they
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: lived a kind of the same thing, always moving, always training,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: always going around.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: And then when they leave, you know, their.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: How identity challenge, Who am I don't have a uniform anymore?
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: And I all this, so the support system and stuff.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: So I've kind of moved through that and then and
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: that kind of had a place. But then my heart,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: you know, it was really where the schools were. Because
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: my son was fifteen as a freshman at the time.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Then you know, it's this training guitar youth early and
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: so that became the focus. And so I started working
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: with speaking to schools, but also working on the foundation
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: of the Mental Health Foundation in Western Michigan in their
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: school program, and that's grown, you know, to to where
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: now we're in like one hundred and twenty different high
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: schools they think are one hundred twenty schools, and then
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: in some businesses as well. And I think that part
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: is really interesting to me because getting to somebody before
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: they experienced some of these things, so at least have
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: a knowledge background of like oh, so this is what
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: that is, and so I can do something about it
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: instead of getting alone and rejected and isolated and sad
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: and you know, negative and everything else where, we built
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: and get you know, and then we quit asking questions.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: So let's get the information as factually we came down
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: to the youth.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: At least they have no one to call it know
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: what it is, and so they can support somebody if
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: they need to, at least be an understanding. They can listen,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you know, so it gives them a lot more information.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: And that's that's what they feel like. I'm gonna in
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: a really upstream way in advance of suicide. Let's get
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: up there early and teach your stuff so we don't
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: have to wait sin tell somebody is you know, imminent danger.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah see, I'm really pleased that you've been able to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: spread it out. I mean again, I credit you for
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: talking with the high schools and the youth group. People
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: have to get it figured out at that age and
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: by then the military, we know that will be one
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: of the things I talk about in my upcoming series
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: about how military is affected and families and corporation. So
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: what you've able to do is you've got five pieces
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: of this equation here that you're trying to address a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: very important situation that you've had to live through in
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: more levels than one. I mean, how does it feel
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: to be able to reach out to that many different
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: groups and be able to get your message across because
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: every one of them you can't take them lightly.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Well here, so here's here's the thing.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: So you know, when you look at it that way
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: and spread things out and saying, wow, that's a lot
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: of different things. But from where I'm coming from. My
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: point of view is what I started planning out was well, okay,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: I'll work with former players. Oh yeah, because we all
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: have this thing, you know, we've all gone through transition
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: that okay, well guess what military consiste. And so when
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: you put two side by side, they can talk about
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: how they feel afterwards, because it doesn't matter this part.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: They still have the same commonality because they have emotions
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and we and you know, and we feel. So then
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: you know, so that you start talking to you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: high school kids or whatever, you know, in law enforcement,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: whatever it is, you find out, well, you know what,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: it's not that far off to work with them either,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: because we're all human beings.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: We all have emotions, we all go through things.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: You know, there's not anybody that goes through this life
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: not going through something, right, and so let's just be
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: prepared so when something comes at least we all can
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: name it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: But also we know where to get the.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Support from and we and we know that there's something
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: that can be done about it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: So it's not the end of the story.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: It's actually the beginning of the story, right, And so
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: for me it's like it's just it's it's in here. Okay,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: it might be different populations, but if you take strict away,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: all that breaking beans. So I don't care if it's
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: you or somebody living, you know, ten thousand miles away. Yeah,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: being has emotions, sadness, you know, it's joy, no, all
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: those things, and so we have something in common to listen.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: To and talk about anything you want to add, Candy.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: You know that was such a tough time for you
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: with you and your your son. How what resources did
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: you reach out to to help you with that going
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: through you know that dark area, because let's face it,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that face that dark area
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and go through and not always do we have support
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: or know that there is support. Out there.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I didn't use any support. So that's the problem,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: you know, even with my own stuff. But then after
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: when Jeff was not doing well and feeling you know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: not good, I didn't use any resources then either. I
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: took him to you primary care doctor basically and just said,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: you know, well he doesn't have the fluid.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Didn't do this.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: So you know, Jeff's got to go to school, so
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I'll start driving it because he didn't want to.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to come so anyway, So those little things.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: But after his death, and.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: It's really hard for me to even go back in
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: that mindset again when I got that phone call and
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: you know, the disbelief, the surrealness of it, the guilt,
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: a shamed the anger not at him, at me, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: and it just didn't feel real, you know, and you
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: coming home and and seeing it all. I just I
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: didn't know how to going to get through it. And
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: and I don't know that I almost didn't.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Eric, I say, you're the outreach coordinator
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of the Depression Center of the University of Michigan. They've
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: done a documentary film that features you. How much do
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: you enjoy doing it?
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Doing the speaking and going out.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they from what my research says,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: they've done a documentary, a documentary film that features you
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: from the outreach center. Can you tell me more about that?
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Well, there, I've been in several okay, so from different
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: points of view.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: So I've been involved in you know, from a from
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: a from from being the one who you know, that's
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about my own issues.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I've been.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Certain, I can't think what's going about talking about you know,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: having you know, lost somebody, so as a survivor, you know,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: that's night of it. And I've talked about it from
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: somebody who has knowledge in speaking, you know, in terms
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: of something we can do and here's some resources, and
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: here's a pathway, and here's what here's what happened, here's
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: what it is.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: So from an educational standpoint of view, I was just
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: the one. In fact, we just viewed it. It was
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: shot a few years ago. But and this might be
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: the one you're talking about, which was a death is
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: not the answer. I know, I know I was involved
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: in people when I was at the University of Michigan.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: But death is not the answer. Is about.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: What do you do to get past it or to
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: survive it, but also how do you start thriving again?
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: And we just showed that to a parent group from
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: two different high schools just last week. Yeah, and then
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: had a panel.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, I see you co author to study about depression
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and pain and the retired professional player. I know that
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that's a really difficult transition when you go from being
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: a player where you're around the team all the time,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you're so engrossed with the team activities, and all of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a sudden you go to civilian life, as we like
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to say, doing the being normal type of individual without
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: that regiment. Tell me a little bit about that. That's amazing.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: A lot of retired players have a hard time making
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: that transition from being a football player because remember it
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: starts to high back into youth high school, and that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: all they even know, and all of a sudden, you're back,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: You're no longer doing anymore. All of a sudden, you
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: can't do it no more, whether it's physical, and you
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: run into all kinds of issues that had to be
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: rough on you.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Well, there's there's a tough there's a tough ton of
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: psychological issues to go with that, which is, you know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: if you're starting your youth, so you've been known identity
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: as a football player all the way up through I
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: don't until teniors are pro until you're, in my case,
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: that's thirty two years old, when all of a sudden,
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: you know you're not doing anymore and and so yeah,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't know anything else other than basically,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: this is my identity.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a certain.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Amount of celebrity that comes with it. There's a certain
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: amount of responsibility that comes with it, you know, so
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: you're somebody okay, and then to be dropped off, So
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: that's difficult.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: That we did was where we we shut it out
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: to a bunch of former players and they were they
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: were we were actually looking for depression rates. But what
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: came back was this transition thing because we had a
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: couple of opening questions about you know, what was the
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: transition like for you, and it was like, didn't know.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: It be like no support, you know, no identity. So
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: there's so it was everybody had had that. So it
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: told me it's a really hard transition. So at the time,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: there's nothing being done for mental health or that, so
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: we started focusing on that.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: It's also not too far from the time when when
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: you know, the brain injury stuff started kind of showing up.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: So guys were showing up with not for mental health,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: they're showing up because of you know, brain injury or
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: possible cety stuff and the symptoms they had. But the
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: symptoms are very very much alike depression, and so you
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: really can't tell which is which, right, So so we
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: just started treating them for a depression because you can't
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: diagnose CTE right until.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: It's post mortal.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: And so, but all of a sudden, a lot of
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: guys start coming out, and I found out that there's
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: a lot of guys that were that were mentally unhealthy.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: If you think about not everybody gets into football for
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: the pure reason of just playing the game. You know,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: there's fear, you know why guys will play, you know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: trying to get out of certain circumstances. Same thing with
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: military now signs of military because they want to serve
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: our country. Sometimes it's to try and find something better
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: than what they're living in now. So there's players who
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: like that too. You know that they come from tough neighborhoods,
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: that this is their thing, and all of a sudden,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: when it's over with now there everybody, they know, their
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: support system back home at home, and it was all
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: maybe might be.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Dysfunctional, so they have to deal with that again now
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: going back into it. So so there's just a lot
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: of stuff there, you know that that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: That's got to be aware of that can mask itself
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: very easy, and it's really easy for a player to say, oh, yeah,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: it must.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Be CTE because I experienced this before.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: But they've never been aware of it before either coming
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: out and so this is the first maybe awareness of
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: what mental health issues might be like depression.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I can imagine. So I've seen you with former Alliance
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: quarterback Eric Kramer, who, by the way, this is a
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: personal opinion, should never but by the way, they should
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: never have. He should have retained that starting job instead
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: of Rodney Pete when they took him to the NFC
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Championship game. And I've even told Eric, you think that's
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest mistakes they ever made, when Eric
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: did not have an opportunity to become the incumbent starter.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Because I know Wayne Fonsible said you can't lose your
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: job due to injury. Well don't tell that to Tom
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Brady and just Bledsoe and how did that work out?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about Eric Kramer. I know, what if
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you're done with Eric, and how's he doing these days?
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: He was just entirely just saw a three days ago.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: He's doing really well.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: He's motivated to make change himself and so he's kind
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: of put stuff together in progress, but he's doing really well.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Like its exactly if you've never met him before, you
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: would never be able to tell that. You know, he
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: had gone through anything, you know, especially the you know,
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: a bullet of the head and surviving it.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: You know, that's incredible when you think about that.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: But so.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: What he was going through and kind of what I've
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: gone through.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I'm a little bit older, I'm like seven years older
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: than he is that we're friends, and so when he
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: was starting to struggle a little bit, you know, he
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: lost his son as well, very similar right certain circumstances,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: and so I was going to reach out and help
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: him when he was still doing broadcasting, and then you
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: kind of got away from that. I knew he was
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: suffering from some depressive illnesses and talking to him and stuff,
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: and then eventually you know, the you know, in his
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: attempt he was you know, heartbreaking because we're trying to
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: get him helping as much help as possible. But I'll
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: say this, you know you overcome adversity. I think God
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: he didn't die because he's a force of with now
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: in the mental health, you know, efficacy, so and and
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: he's you know, he's doing he's doing good.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Well. Before Jared Goff, he was the answer to a
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: trivia question about the quarterback that won the last playoff game,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and that was Eric Kramer. Obviously whipped the Dallas Cowboys.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Everybody certainly enjoyed that back home in Detroit, and Eric
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Kramer more powerful. I still think he should have been
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the starting quarterback, not Rodney Pete. That's one I've even
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: told him that it doesn't really matter anything you haven't
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: heard before. All Right, you know what, here's what we're
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna shift the narrator over to Candy.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: What she's gonna do now, Eric, is she's going to
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: bring up each of those websites that you want to promote.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: When she's done going over each and every one of those,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: she's going to bring me back. I'm still here. I'll
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: be listening to you and Candy go over the website
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and then when I come back on and start talking,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about your book, and if you're interested,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: maybe you and I can do a book exchange. You
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: send me one of your autograph copies, I'll send you mine,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and then that way we'll always have this as a
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: memory for us as well. Candy take over. He has
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: some things that you want to talk about the website
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and please help them promote it, and then we'll go
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: back and talk about as well. Great self a little Eric.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: We're hitting the stretch run, but now it's time to
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: really get the message out there as well. Go ahead, Katie.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: So the first website I have is w w W
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: after the Impact dot org. So tell us a little
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: bit about this organizing.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: That's my fault for not for not I'll tell you why,
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: because after Impact is after COVID is no longer it
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: uh you know, so I apologize for that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: But it was it was formed with the.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Ourselves and the grin arn greats formed of UH formation
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: so we could we could treat you know, full players
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: and veterans together and so that was built for the
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: funding and it ran its course almost like eight years,
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: nine years, which is fantastic.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Did a really really a lot of good work.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: When COVID hit, you know, the funding sources dried up
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: and it's hard to reason money at those pieces.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: So that went. So that's not when it was. It
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: did a lot of good. The go ahead hit the
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: other one. You know, I've got a pole, but sorry,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: this one was the one that did the studies.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: So the studies over with, so we're doing the study
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: on let me let me give the one that I
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: have in case these are these are in the spite
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: and fall if I sent those because those are in
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: the history you know, along the way. So there's were
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: all billion blocks in my way. But neurological studies was
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: the study that we did. For see, it was actually
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: looking for prituitary just functioned in the brain, so you
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: could go along with the ct SEF his brain injury research.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: And we found about eighty percent of the people.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: That we were testing there were former players that they
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: came here for for depression or whatever it might be.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: We started testing them on their protuitchary just functioning the
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: hormone and excuse me, you know about eighty percent of
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: them were deficient in hormone hormone production, you know, hyper petetarism,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: and so.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: That'd be the case, and we do something. What's going on?
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Right, So diffuse excebtle injury. It's brain injury. We looked
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: at it. But that that study wrapped up and they're
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: producing all the you know, data and everything else, and
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: so they'll probably get released. But yeah, so that's what
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: that one was. Yeah, what else to see?
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Be nice? There we go. This is the be nice.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: It stands for in fact, I've got a shoe, be nice, okay,
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: which is nice stands for a notice, invite, challenge, and empower.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: So notice, invite, challenge, and empower.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: It is the school program that we have for students
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: for schools, and it's student driven. So all the materials
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: and videos and everything else that we have is designed
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: so a school peer group can choose what they want
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: to use or whatever or implement their own or even
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: get their own resources and put them together and we
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: share and so like that one hundred and twenty schools
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: that we're talking about, it's accumulation of all this material
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: and stuff that we have that we share with.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: And so it's student your program fantastic.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: You know, if you want to you want to have
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: a program that makes sense, it's upstream, it's easy to remember,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: and it is very pointed. So it's a it's actually
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: an action plan. That's what notice, Invite, Challenge and empower
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: are and it's was introduced by a uh Mental Health
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Foundation of Western Michigan.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so be nice dot org.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's the that's the last one I had.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: There's life vet Life dot org. So it's yeah, v
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: E T l I F E today dot org. That's
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: the that's the website Vet Life Today dot org. Sorry
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: their hang on yeah vet Life Today.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Oh today, Yeah, good like today.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: It's a foundation that's that helps veterans find the resources
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: in the transition, like what football players do. Right, So
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: when you make that transition, where's the resources at? How
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: do you file for you know, your you know with
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: the VA, how do you what are all of them?
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Because there's a lot of things that are out there,
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: but it's just hard to figure out which one you
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: should have or not have when where you're coming out
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: with this and all of a sudden, you know, your
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: life is now up to you to find your support
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: systems even though they might have them. But there's so
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: many things that are out there, you know, where do
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: you begin to choose from. And so these are all
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: vetted things that we've done. Well, we've run the Vetfest,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: which is like five thousand veterans and you know, family
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: members will show up and it's all free for them
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: to you know, experience them, a brown House band, you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: all kind of stuff.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: So it's fun.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: The meantime, they have you know, the tables for resources
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: as well, and and they're working on a app right
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: now which.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Is a Battle Buddy, which is very cool. So how
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: to get you information.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please do, please do. We'll put the stuff up
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: on our website. We always like to hear great places
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: to support, you know.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: And the last one is it's observed in on Michigan.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: But it's see uh, Michigan Heroes Museum. So it's am
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: I Heroes, So am I Heroes dot org.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Michigan Heroes dot Org.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's it's it's a museum that highlights
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: the sacrifice that that service members have made that are Michigan,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Michigan ganors, so you know, and it goes all the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: way back to like World Waring.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: On even you know.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: So it's celebrating its fiftieth year this year and it's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: it's just a unique type of setting because it's not
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: like a bunch of things to look at. There's lock
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: with all person's identity, what they did, and you know,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: stuff that they have hearing it from them, and so
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: it's it's pretty cool to go through with all the stories.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: That's great. That's great. Any other websites or more organizations
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: you want us to help.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: More mine's minds.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Eric dash Hippole dot com, Eric.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Dash Hipple dot org dot com dot com.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's if anybody wants need information I want to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: reach out, you can do it through that.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: There you go, Eric Shable dot com. So what's good
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: about these being on the screen, Eric, is when they
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: go on our YouTube channel, they'll be able to visualize
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: it now'll be able to write it down and they'll
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: go right to it. So that's why we had you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: put up. That's why she's putting up on the screen.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: That's why she has a special segment for each and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: every one of these. Because you think anybody can remember
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: anything I have to say about this now, I.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Think it happen, but it's nless. You can you know,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: drip a little bit here, ed, you're a little bit there.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: When somebody actually needs something and you've heard it, it's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: more likely they'll find attention to it rather than if
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: they don't know it doesn't exist.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I can't. No, one's just sit here and tell me.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of us aren't visual, because we are. That's
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  Speaker 1: why she put this stuff up there. Great stuff, all right?
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  Speaker 1: Anything else can do you want to put up there?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to promote this book really quickly, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: after the MotorCity Man show, we have fire up hosted
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  Speaker 1: by you know it, Candy if she'll have her group
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  Speaker 1: in the country club there, don't you miss it? And Eric,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. If you have a chance to subscribe
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  Speaker 1: to our YouTube channel, software and a tribune, it's free
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  Speaker 1: how to do it after the show and whatever. But meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the book that you've written. A book
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  Speaker 1: called Real Men Do Cry publish in two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 1: Explain what a person should take out of it and
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  Speaker 1: where can they purchase the book.
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  Speaker 3: It can be purchased from publisher, which is Quality of Life.
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  Speaker 4: Dot com, so qoil dot com qol positions dot Com
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  Speaker 4: or Amazon.
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  Speaker 3: So you can get it on Amazon. It's play the
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  Speaker 3: easiest way to do it.
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  Speaker 4: When the book was put out, because you know, I've
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  Speaker 4: gone through all this stuff, you know, with with Jeff
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  Speaker 4: and then my own turnaround and and got on the
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  Speaker 4: right path page and you know it sorted, you know,
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  Speaker 4: promoting stuff, I thought it would be important how many
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  Speaker 4: people are out there that were like me that you know,
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't cry in public, you know, probably wouldn't cry
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  Speaker 4: not in public either, so you know, because of the
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  Speaker 4: stigma attached to that, right and so but I found
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  Speaker 4: that actually in certain things in certain times, and you have.
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  Speaker 3: To there's such thing if you don't express those emotions,
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  Speaker 3: then they can turn that deadly.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it's the best thing to stay is you
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  Speaker 4: try and bury and try and hold down, but they're
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  Speaker 4: going to resurfacet some point in time anyway. But then
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  Speaker 4: you walk around you know, negative, resentful, you know, not
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  Speaker 4: not gratitude, and that that can.
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  Speaker 3: Be very dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: And so a lot of people understand it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: as far as what people saw and said, oh my gosh,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: starting quarterback anything else, we can have this and go
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  Speaker 4: through this and now that would happen, and you remember
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  Speaker 4: go through it that I think it's important that everybody should.
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  Speaker 3: Actually be aware of that.
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  Speaker 4: How long did I take it turning myself as an
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  Speaker 4: example of getting rid of the stigma and and just
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  Speaker 4: this behum.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how long did it take it to write it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, it was hard because you have to
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  Speaker 4: open up a lot of things, you know that you.
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  Speaker 3: Deal with. I remember my wife said, you have to
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  Speaker 3: put everything in there.
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  Speaker 4: We're trying to educate somebody. Yeah, so let's spare our
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  Speaker 4: soul a little bit, so the good and the bad,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and in the actually yeah, but uh, it
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  Speaker 4: took it took a while off today, both like the
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  Speaker 4: first thirty in hand and then I started just dictating
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  Speaker 4: and send them off to get those editor down and
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  Speaker 4: and uh.
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  Speaker 1: Well the main thing, the main thing is you've got
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  Speaker 1: it done. So one other thing I want to ask you.
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  Speaker 1: Do you travel outside of Michigan to promote what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing or do you immediately you do? Well, we're about
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  Speaker 1: we're some of the places that you go to get
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  Speaker 1: your message, because you certainly have a great cause and
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  Speaker 1: it should be something that you're able to travel and
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  Speaker 1: be able to promote. I mean, what you're doing is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: I said, if I thought highly of you as a quarterback,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: what you're doing now, I think you're off the field.
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  Speaker 1: Accomplishments are probably gonna, you know, be even better than
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: the ones you had on the field. So I commend
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  Speaker 1: you what you're doing. Where do you travel to get
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  Speaker 1: this message out?
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  Speaker 3: Well? Who needs? First of all? So I can you know,
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  Speaker 3: excuse me sorry, So.
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  Speaker 4: I mean all of those states, so you know, uh,
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  Speaker 4: or the Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Wisconsin, California.
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  Speaker 4: Just I mean basically anybody done you know, obviously conferences,
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  Speaker 4: some mental health conferences, suicide prevention walks, you know, speaking.
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  Speaker 3: Two open pit coal mines, right, which is.
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  Speaker 4: You know, for the safety training for the supervisors and
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  Speaker 4: for the employees. Stress control. Been to New York, spoke,
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  Speaker 4: they're been, uh with the Navy, every Navy base that's
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  Speaker 4: in the that's in this world. I've been to travel,
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  Speaker 4: travel a lot over of course with eleven year period
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  Speaker 4: with them, so doing stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just anywhere that I call a few places.
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  Speaker 1: Are you okay? You're doing all right? Yeah? I'm just
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  Speaker 1: making sure all right, all right, we'll tell you what great.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Eric, I want to tell you I can't thank
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  Speaker 1: you want, even your book. She'll even take a link
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: on there. They can buy the book through our website.
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  Speaker 1: We don't get any money off of it. I don't think.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: We just want you to get the protein whatever you want,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: so you and you can'd even handling the email stuff
• 1:09:06
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• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: your and your nonprofits or anything. We were family here, Eric,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: That's how we do think will go out of our
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: way to definitely go ahead and help you any way
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: we can. There's other places you can come on other
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: shows to get it out there, and we'll let you
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: make the decision which one you feel is suitable the best.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's been a great privilege to have
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  Speaker 1: you on the show. We appreciate you spending this amount
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: of time to tell your story and I hope that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: we can get you the necessary exposure to bring awareness
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: to mental illness because you tell you your living proof
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: that you're a winner, you always have been and what
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you and as Eric Andy Prather said, thank you Eric.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I know you've been watching the whole thing on YouTube
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and there'll be a lot more comments that we're going
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: to get via YouTube as well. So you know, I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: can't thank you very much for doing this. I've been
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: had enjoyed having down before. I'm even more happy to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: have you on the night to get your story out
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: there on something that needs to be addressed an awful
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: lot more. And hopefully we'll have a chance to work
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: together and other projects in front of the different circumstances
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: and platform so you could continue to hammer that message home.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you, anything.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: You want to add candy real quick.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: No one and a last any lasting thoughts you want
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: to leave the audience with, mister Eric.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I'll say is I'm happy to see
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: trends that are happening in mental health that are to
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: me very positive. And that's the crisis centers that are
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: starting up to where a person can just walk in
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: that way or the seventy eight number or ninety eight number,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: excuse me, ninety eight number to where instead of calling
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: you know, nine to one one.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: You know, So that's been good in Blue Cross Blue
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  Speaker 3: Shield in Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: I've had a relationship with them in the last five years,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: and they're working hard in this area as well, trying
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: to get you know, meet people rather than waiting for
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: a phone call to happen to a hospital or something,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: the meeting them where they are. And so it's that's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: a great trend I see happening. And uh yeah, so.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Good, all right, Katie, give everybody a preview for what
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: they're in for. Fire up. I know you'll prepare for
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: a few minutes, but nobody prepares pass a show than Cheetos. Eric.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Anybody could go ahead and do her own show as
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: quickly and unbelievable way she does. I'd like to find
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: somebody about her Thursday, but go ahead and give somebody
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: to give them a quick preview. I know Smoking Journey
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: probably helping you on the back end.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: So tonight on fire Up, we're gonna talk a little
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: bit about the MLB playoffs. Obviously, the wild card round
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: will be just about completely done by the time we
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: I think by the time we go on or at
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: the end, I think there's one more Yeah, because the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Boston and the Yankees series is right now in the middle.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about that. We're gonna be talking
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: a little bit about NFL. We're gonna talk a little
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: bit about fantasy football and we think that's hurting the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: fandom of teams or not. And one last thing, we're
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: gonna say, how many block field goals do we think
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: we'll see this season? Considering we've seen how many so far?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Eric, I'll tell you one thing. I still think
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: you would have gotten thirty thousand yards in today's NFL
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: number one and number two. I can only imagine what
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: kind of fantasy football player you would have been because
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: you knew how to rush the football as well as
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: pass it. So I guess we'll never know, but it's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: certainly worth bringing up in fantasized good thirty thousand. He
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  Speaker 1: got it.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: That said, that doesn't conclude this edition of MotorCity man
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Mouth Show. I want to thank Arrek Kipple as our
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: special guest dandamn Play as my co host, so i'll
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: mean half of a dynamic dew here. Thanks very much,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: player up the next Thanks very much, very much for
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: doing this. Eric, Katy will be in chuch with you
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: about other opportunities that we had hopefully benefit you as well.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, my friend, thank you, thank you
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  Speaker 2: Thanks everybody, thank you,